Thread 95990743

Canada Day Edition

>Balance Dataslate:
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>10th Edition Rules:
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>>Previous thread:
>>95986063

>thread Question:
What's your army and nationality?

>>95990743 (OP)
>TQ
nice datamining attempt, faggot

Was the spoiler about Guilliman fighting the Silent King real?

>>95990746
I think you're being a bit paranoid, anon. I was just having a bit of fun since it is Canada day.

>>95990770
No, you're a bit late, pride month is over.

>>95990760
>Miss April
We're in July numbskull

Blocks your colon.

>>95990764
Books not out yet. What do you think?

>>95990770
Fuck Canada

We have had roughly 2 years of 10th Ed
What are (You)r thoughts on it? Did you like it? Did you dislike it? What would you like to see for 11th?

>>95990743 (OP)
Bringing this to a tournament, do you think I will do good?
Considering most people are bringing melee blobs with some titanic firepower, I think I will cut some cheese, locking down units with my bullgryn and taking shots with my weapon platforms.

>>95990760
the version with the bush of this pic is absolute kino

>>95990817
Are good 40k lists just getting gameyer and gameyer?

What is the best edition of 40k, and why is it 2nd edition?

>>95990823
>Are good 40k lists just getting gayer and gayer?

>>95990788
I'LL JUST SHIT HARDER

>>95990817
I don't think it will be good but fun. BUUUUT i am not an imp player, only fighting against them.

>>95990823
Not really. Hyper optimal lists have always been cancer like tankspam guard or Wraithknights

>>95990816
It was to be scrapped the moment they showed oath of moment.

A full rewrite of the rules is in order, this is clearly not working, GW should bite the bullet and use alternating activations, restrict target freedom, use decks of cards for strata and rules, and have parallel wounding/fighting rules to separate how heroes and big shit fight and get fought.

>>95990836
If someone counters the weapon teams before they are in place it could be bad.

>>95990823
Do NOT check the imperial knights winrate.

>>95990841
also remove rerolls and move to a d10 or d12 system, since they cannot wrap their heads around other effective ways to introduce granularity, and they've become way too greedy for the previous excuse to use D6s to hold.

>>95990816
>What would you like to see for 11th?
8th edition but better
Or at least bring back psychic

>>95990845
you're supposed to think about things that are feasible. this game will never move to alternating activations or stop using d6

>>95990743 (OP)
That marine is a pajeet

>>95990859
Nothing more Canadian

>>95990855
Why? because you think GW would never want to sell overpriced dice or activation tokens or decks of cards? even though they already sell overpriced dice and cardboard tokens and decks of cards?

You still think the old excuse of "we use D6 because it's the type of dice everyone has at home" still holds?

>>95990816
I hate it so goddamn much. The "simplified but shrimple" bullshit ruined the fun of building an army.
Combi weapon types? Gone. Additional weapons like digital weapons? Gone. Fun stratagem like separating a squad of Allarus Custodians into individual characters mid battle? Gone. Psychic powers? Lmao its just shooting phase now.
I hate it so goddamn much.

can they scrap this fights first bullshit already?

>>95990816
It's my favorite edition yet! It's the most balanced edition! Games Workshop cooked this to perfection!

>>95990877
>Fun stratagem like separating a squad of Allarus Custodians into individual characters mid battle?
That is still in the game, yah ding dong no games secondary FUCK diddly

>used to prefer tabletop tactics over play on tabletop because lol burgers
>now prefer the latter as the people they have on the former are straight up unbearable

>>95990881
Fights First is a core mechanic in 40k. You can't really just remove it, especially now that Fights Last is gone. It probably is a bit too prevalent though. They should use Fights on Death abilities in their place more.

>>95990892
>watching sloptubers
kys

>>95990877
>Fun stratagem like separating a squad of Allarus Custodians into individual characters mid battle? Gone.
retard kill yourself

>>95990743 (OP)
How are the new HH Leman Russes compared to the 40k ones? Kinda wanna get few for my krieg army

>>95990877
I just convinced people to play 4th. Some have even started to backport units.
Simple things like the spider thing thing for chaos. Just give them dreadnought stats and an autocannon with a scout move to justify the fast attack slot.
I'm having a harder time with gsc since the 3rd editions gsc codex is a piece of shit, understandable since it was made by a gringo and it was super experimental.

>>95990855
If they're willing to remove point costs, why not.

>>95990905
they're better but if you want sponsons you need to get some third party bits.

Do you think the emperor would be more tolerant of chaos if he knew about the tomboy rat girl?

>>95990907
You will probably have to homebrew new rules because of how complex they are. I mean the tenth and ninth edition rules give a decent idea of how you'll want to run them anyways.

>>95990816
Positives
- Lethality has gone down. Focus fired stuff still dies but I find myself later in the game in situations were units are running on fumes. In 9e virtually every activation from non-chaff wiped out the models on the receiving end.
- I disliked the fight phase rules at the beginning but being forced to base to base added some fun tricks which I enjoy now
- Balance changes are less sparse which is nice
- Transhuman is gone thank fucking god I fucking hated transhuman
- Universal rules are back which I like a lot

Now for the bad
- I think there's a sweetspot with customization/depth and 10th ed went way too hard in one direction. You probably don't need 40 stratagems for each army but 6 strats and 4 enhancements being all you get is too little.
- Game feels more gamey than ever. GW cares less and less about the fantasy/roleplay aspect and it shows in the fact they don't even have little fluffy text in rules explanations anymore.
- notPowerLevel system fucking sucks. I'm tired of a random Rhino having enough shots to clear 10 chaff models trivially while still fulfilling its purpose for no extra cost
- Psychic phase has to come back period
- Detachments are a mixed bag in how they've been designed. Some of them incentivize you to play or make a list in an interesting way, but too many are "3 units of your army now have a broken rule and nobody else gets any benefit".
- Cover is a bit too prevalent for my taste

All in all eh it's alright but I really think 9th ed was a good system to build on top of, no idea why they threw it away.

>>95990887
>>95990903
Oh shit my bad my bad. Surely my other points are wrong too, huh?
Boy I can't wait for my sword brethren castellan armed with a combi melta to shoot at tanks while my plasma combi sternguards nukes a termi squad.
But I gotta watch out since that daemon prince xan cast invisibility in the psychic phase, I better deny the witch on that before it fucks me up. Goddamn, 10th ed is my favourite edition now. Thanks guys.

>>95990872
>>95990908
more complex to less complex is feasible, the inverse is very unlikely to happen
also 40k has been played with d6 dice and igougo for close to 40 years already and is GW's main cash cow. if they were willing to attempt this they'd try it on different games (like they did with KT) and not revamp 40k to be a much different game overnight
every single dition we get the "guys they're moving to AA for SURE this time" and it never happens, just like it won't happen in 11e, or 12e, or 13e, or 14e. this is going to be a simple to grasp igougo d6 game forever

>>95990895
just seeing how experienced people play certain factions anon

>>95990936
It's not about "guys it's going to happen this time", it's "you goddamn fucking retards do it already!"

>>95990816
The whole thing was already shoddy from the word go, and every reveal and release has only proven my original claims correctly. Some armies got their time in the spotlight while others like Votann and Dark Eldar have been eating shit for a few years because they're not next in line. That's not talking about how much of the roleplaying and customization of the game was stripped in favor of a physical live service where all models have an expiration date and will be replaced with more expensive alternatives with less function.

>>95990826
2nd ed?

>more ppm
>narrative focused rules
>whacky insanity like weapon jamming, vehicles going out of control, shooting the crews out of vehicles, parrying
>smaller scale means that sergeants feel like super heroes, terminators feel like gods, dreadnoughts feel like knights

Okay, maybe you're right.

>>95990743 (OP)
>TQ
Sisters
Not US.

Drukhari are in a weird spot where despite having a low number of datasheets, nearly every model they have has its own useage and speciality.
It feels very complete.

>>95990965
>Drukhari

>>95990965
>Drukhari

>>95990965
Eh, the still have redundant units that compete for the same role. Reavers and Mandrakes. Incubi and Helions. Scourges and Ravagers and VRB. Grotesques and Beastmaster and Rakarth. Drazhar and Archon. Razorwing, Succubus and Wyches are also useless units.
It's more of just the fact that everything is so low powered in the index without layers of buffs on them that nothing is a clear, super powered winner that makes all the others useless. It has good internal balance, but the faction has horrible overall balance with a generally low power level.

>>95990965
>Drukhari

>>95990993
Wyches are alright with Hesperax for 8ppm

>>95990965
>druk
>hari

>>95990965
>Drukhari

>>95990943
>whacky insanity like weapon jamming, vehicles going out of control, shooting the crews out of vehicles, parrying
sounds terrible

>>95991020
Name of this tight little piece?

>>95991031
Drew Carrymore

Fart Smelldar post is coming. I can feel it

Why did the Dark Eldar get a somewhat creative 'sci-fi alien race name' of Drukhari, while the Eldar got fucking 'Aeldari. When Eldar get far more love model wise from GW and dark eldar have a less creative name of 'evil eldar are called dark'

>>95991042
Drukhari came from Druchi, the fantasy name for Dark Elves.
Eldar technically got renamed to Asuryani but Aeldari is a super faction name that contains the word Eldar so it's better for SEO

>>95990816
>What would you like to see for 11th?
Backpedaling right back into 9th edition but less bloat like less stratagems.
10th is the least fluffy edition to date.
The force organization is dogshit. It needs to be reigned fuck back in, this is a WARgame.
Bring back psychic phase removing was just stupid, removing it just caused many of the armies that used psychic phase turn into boring shit.
Giving every damn model their own special rule is plain fucking retarded and genuinely more bloat.
Weapon keywords are shit because GW can't balance them for shit, devastating strikes for example.
Free wargear was and IS a terrible idea from the very concept because there is no way of making shit like a bolt pistol and plasma pistol (a direct upgrade) cost the same and make any sense.
No one asked for the removal of the points system and then have it be replaced by reskinned powerlevels. So right the fuck back to PPM system, it worked for 9 fucking editions it could have worked for 10th as well.

What people wanted from 10th edition was 9th edition but hoping GW would just lessen the bloat (stratagems) and then they'd stop retarded power creep in the codexes.
No asked for the retardation that is current 10th edition.

>>95990792
>think
I don't, that the whole point

>>95991042
Aeldari is the name of the race in general. Technically craftworlders are Asuryani (children of Asuryan iirc) but most places call them Aeldari for the same reason they called them Eldar back in the day instead of Craftworlders - they're the "default" eldar.

>>95991042
It makes even less sense when you factor in that by the time of the Fall, the vast majority of Eldar were evil and had been so for thousands of years. The Dark Eldar aren't the evil Eldar, they are just the Eldar, it's the Craftworld Eldar and Exodites who are the weird ones.

>>95990965
You mean Dark Eldar*

>>95991080
*Deldar

>>95991080
*Adarki Eldari

>>95991075
The Dark Eldar as the True Eldar is a cope and nothing more. Commoragh was a backwater tax haven for corporate slave lords to have their debauchery outside the public view and the people running it now are the victims that overthrew their slavers and became slavers themselves because that's all they knew.
It would be like saying all the sex slaves on Epstein Island are the true inheritors of the American Empire after the mainland got nuked after they took up child trafficking themselves.

>>95991080
*Eladrith Ynneas

>>95991080
DEldar*

You guys sure have a bunch of strong opinions about a faction literally nobody plays.

>>95991088
If the United States got wiped out and the only survivors were Californians, Mormons, and the Amish, which group who would be closest to the average American?

>>95991088
>Commoragh was a backwater tax haven for corporate slave lords
wtf I love dark eldar now

>>95990923
nice
I agree with everything.

>>95991104
This is a pretty funny analogy actually. And the obvious answer is the irradiated ghouls left behind in the Crone lands.

>>95991103
are you the kind of man to be afraid of strong opinions?

>>95991103
I was just thinking how much this place talks about Fart Smelldar. I think it may have to do 4chang's contrarian streak if anything (do not DARE to @ me to say that Fart Smelldar are the most interesting thing in 40k).

>>95991062
Dev wounds are fine now, they were a problem in the beginning because gw refused to implement the obvious fix they ended up implemented which fixed the issue.

>>95990918
>tomboy rat girl
Whomst?

What are some good channels if I want to dive into theorycraft/listbuilding/crunch-breakdown stuff?
What are channels I want to avoid?

>>95991104
Unironically mormons or Amish

>>95991042
Literally nobody gives a fuck about Eldar, that's why.

>>95990940
I remember seeing what was claimed to be a leaked early version of 6th (IIRC) edition that included rules for alternating activation, so if that was actually legit then GW has toyed with the idea in the past. I can't them ever releasing a version of 40k with AA though, the core of the game is well and truly calcified now. The closest thing that could happen is for the rules team at forge world/specialist games to go absolutely mad with power and put it into an experimental version of 30k or something.

>>95991155
I give more fucks about eldar than I give about any of the 100 different space marine flavors, cope

>>95991143
I’d assume it’s a Hololive reference, though I don’t think calling her a tomboy is accurate.

>>95991159
Andy Chambers who was the lead designer of 4th edition floated the idea of alternating activations and was shot down by higher-ups because it didn't fit their vision for what 40K was. He has talked about it in some interviews since leaving the company.

>one model posted in this thread so far
real and i mean real nomodels hours

>>95990816
honestly I don't get why anyone rage about the psychic phase so much. that and the new moral system especially I think are genuinely good iterations. load out costs being the same is just... arbitrary? it feels a lot more restrictive. do something about the cover meta so we can get rid of L shaped ruins

also on a related note there should be thematic terrain for every faction in a sort of starter set like the combat patrols but actually good

Not seeing a lot of comments on the new Cabal of Chaos detachment so I'm guessing it's mid as fuck

>>95991021
Why are you baiting?

>>95991166
Too bad nobody gives a fuck about you either.

>>95991175
We were waiting for you to go first

>>95991175
Anon complained he saw mine posted too many times so I'm not gonna bother

>>95991175
Here is my most recent one

>>95991187
Its nice but just not as good as some of the other CSM detachments.

>>95991103
I play Dark Eldar
I havent actually played 10th ed though

>>95991204
good work champ

>>95990893
They should make a stat that determines combat order, let's call it initiative or whatever, that gets a big bonus on the charge. That way you can have some granulaity with it and another way to distinguish melee units from one another.

>>95991209
I just want to play CSM of Tzeentch that aren't TS.

>>95990816

Games Workshop needs to stop playing it safe and take some bold steps in future editions:

1. Add More Granularity to Game Mechanics
Warhammer 40k would benefit from increased granularity. This could be achieved by introducing larger dice (like d20s) for certain mechanics, or by expanding the range of Strength and Toughness values and reworking the wound chart accordingly.

2. Restrict Space Marine Unit Access by Detachment
The current unit range is too vast. Not all Space Marine units should be universally available—access should depend on the chosen detachment.

3. Move Away from Pure IGOUGO
The game should move away from the strict "I go, you go" turn structure, but not to the full alternating activation system of modern Kill Team, where all actions happen in a single activation. A middle ground—like Kill Team 2018—would be ideal: phases remain, but players alternate actions within each phase (move, shoot, charge, etc.). It struck a good balance between chaos and control.

4. Respect the Player Base with Transparent Codex Roadmaps
GW must clearly communicate the codex release schedule. Making some factions wait years for their codex is unacceptable—and arguably deserves legal scrutiny.

That's it. Currently game is good enough, except maybe, i little soulless/too gamey.

Does creations of bile have a special colour scheme?

>>95991088
>It would be like saying all the sex slaves on Epstein Island are the true inheritors of the American Empire after the mainland got nuked after they took up child trafficking themselves.
Kek but alot of eldar who survived the Fall (somehow) like Vect himself went from the former core worlds, now Crone Worlds into the Webway and Commoragh. So there is a geunine refugee connection to the old eldar empire

>needing chatgpt to write out your argument
Grim

>>95991230
bot post

>>95991228
you should
random minor god aligned warbands are neat

>>95990743 (OP)
Let’s imagine Games Workshop decides to scrap the current wound mechanics that have been in place for the last three editions, and instead introduces a wider range of Toughness and Strength values across units.

What alternative game mechanic might they create to replace the existing to-wound system?

>>95991230
ChatGPT sounding motherfucker, right down to the em dash

>>95991231
Not really. Closest thing is HH EC armour + stitched leather clothes + a symbol of a skull with 8 spider legs

>>95991237
no, it was me. But yes, i used AI to make it grammatically correct.

>>95991262
>What alternative game mechanic might they create to replace the existing to-wound system?
A monstrously large wound chart.

>>95991204
I like it. that's the original small base, right anon?

What's the website with all the meta lists from tournaments and such? I remember looking at it years ago but I forgot what it was.

>>95991021
You hate fun, or something?

>>95991276
This. Especially when it comes to reintroducing the concept of weaker weapons simply not being capable of sounding a target once the target surpasses a certain toughness threshold.

>>95991276
DG would be obnoxious to play against

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>95991262
both attacker and defender roll a dice for each attack and add their respective strength or toughness bonus.

then they take turns matching their results with the opponent's to hit weakspots/tank blows.

how much a shot suprasses a toughness roll determines whether and how much armour penetration can be applied for the defender's final saving throw.

some weapons have rules that allow them to match shots against the enemy first, if not exclusively, and similarly some heavily armoured troops have rules that allow them to match their rolls against the enemy's first, so that they can match low toughness results with low str results and overall still remain protected.

some rare rules require players to match their shots blindly, bluffing, others give players something akin to miracle dice that they roll separately and keep hidden and can replace once shots are assigned.

most of these gamey rules are predominantly present during duels of heroes or engagements between very big things more than normal troops, for most of those it's simpler matching.

>>95991276
Doesn't this make +1 to Wound, Lethal Hits and Devastating Wounds even more obnoxiously important than they are already?

>>95990826
2nd edition=II edition
II looks like 11
Therefore 11th edition will be 2nd edition 40k. I can feel it in my bones. Are you prepared?

>>95991310
More like Fart Smelldar

>>95991310
I hope so. Dark Eldar are cool.

>>95991310
Xenos are the least loved faction.
Chaos is the least loved faction.
Chaos Xenos is the least least loved faction.

>>95991310
I hope not. Dark Eldar are gay.

>>95991338
I can see the warcom reveal now...

>"Rogue Trader, when it came out in the twilight days of the ’80s, was a very different beast than Warhammer 40,000 of this day. 9 editions later, the biggest miniature game in the world struggles to actually be a good game. That’s why some grognardy veterans play ‘Oldhammer’ – editions that are no longer supported...until now!"
>cue synth music

>>95991316
Sounds like it would make the game take forever to play, especially since armies for 40k are getting larger with each edition.

>>95991262
>What alternative game mechanic might they create to replace the existing to-wound system?
Make-believe narration like when kids play

Can we still submit our June vehicles or is it too late?

>>95991367
They'll give the TOW team the greenlight to use that same formula to bring back the 3rd to 7th plastic kits, metal models, and forge world resins, way before they bring back 2nd ed stuff or rogue trader stuff.

>>95991389
>1st of July
>can we still submit vehicles for JUNE collage?

8e was pretty barebones and then made significantly more complex by 9e, 11e will probably go that way as well

>>95991371
The number of shots should be reduced drastically.
if you're rolling more than 10 dice to hit, even with a unit of 30 models, the game is doing something wrong.

you can recover the semblance of multiple shots via damage rules (weapons with explosive or salvoes rules get to multiply either the unsaved wounds or the wounds to save).

>>95991390
>he doesn't know

>>95991395
I think anon delayed it by a day or so

>>95991390
Wtf happened to pariahs?

Found this funny list that went 5/0 a month ago
I didn't realize every meta list had some bikers

>>95991390
I want that Incubi design to come back in modern plastic

>>95991390
They are updating modern armies and miniatures to 2nd edition rules as we speak. It is too late, 10th edition anon...the time of tournaments is over. The age of peakhammer has begun.

>>95991432
>accursed cultists and dark commune spam
they still seem to be pretty good

>>95990907
Why would GSC be difficult? They had a 7th edition codex, you have midhammer stat profiles for every unit that released in that book which is most of the non-character ones, just the Ridgerunner and the Jackals are missing which shouldn't be a huge task either.

>only one Ynnari list in all the tournaments last weekend
Nature... Is healing.

>>95990816
Detachments are all over the place, they clearly aren't play testing them at all. Orks alone have had four detachments released and subsequently nerfed (Bully Boyz, Green Tide, Taktikal Brigade, and now Dakka) and there's a have/have not issue with them every book. Everyone knows which detachment is their bad one. This wouldn't be an issue if, say, the good ones cost points, but they don't so there's this illusion of equality that never delivers.
Speaking of points, drop "points as power level". I know it's somebody's baby, their great shining idea, but it's awful and transparent. It works in AoS because the whole game was built for it from the beginning, 40k wasn't. That's how we end up with crisis suits divided up by war gear options, because that unit can't actually function the way it did under PL. There's no reason predators and gladiators need to be separate datasheets per variant, just make the turret cost points and attach the passive to the turret gun. Let me pay for guns I want and will use instead of taking everything because I already paid for it.
Cut the shit with "unit is set up exactly how it is in the box and there's no other options", it really limits what the unit can do and it's now we end up with six to seven variations of "sneaky guys who shoot bolters and maybe sniper rifles" in space marines.

>>95991442
I just don't like their models very much desu

>>95991390
>They'll give the TOW team the greenlight to use that same formula to bring back the 3rd to 7th plastic kits
They are not.
You have to mentally delusional to think this.

>>95991432
Bikers are nice, quick objective takers and synergize really well with that detachment so it's not surprising. They can do some wild movement shenanigans with the stratagems in Renegade Raiders.

>>95991494
Oh right, Renegades have Mounted strats

>>95991498
Yeah, they typically affect vehicles or infantry and then mounted on top as a nice little addition. Even without bikers it's my favorite detachment from the codex just for all the movement options.

>>95991432
They are dirt cheap. 23ppm for 3 wounds a piece with 3+Sv, T5 and M12'' is just excellent, they will always score you some stuff.

>>95991103
post models fatass

>>95991426
They lost soul

>>95991217
Thanks
>>95991283
Yup.

Anyone wanna help me decide what to paint for this months elite squad collage? I have way too much stuff.
Oldhammer or newhammer?

>>95991553
Do you have an old metal devastator squad that isn't painted?

>>95991577
They're heavy support though. Yeah I have 2 guys left to paint in the BA dev squad but I decided to take a break from them.

>>95991463
>unit is set up exactly how it is in the box and there's no other options
From a greedy corpo point of view it makes no sense.
Just you can sell the unit multiple times, sell upgrade kits to units or random booster packs.
They can't be that scared of 3D printers/third parties/recasters

>>95991585
I'd say the term elite is fairly broad now, I can't even remember what elite units marines had in 3rd & 4th

>>95991426
GW decided that the ctan wouldn't be in charge, but the necrons themselves, and the pariah represented the ctan planning to replace the old and busted necrons with a new type of biotrasferred servants made from humans, so not only it wouldn't have made sense, but it used to make the necron fluff excessively anthropocentric instead of existing as its own column of the worldbuilding.
The battlefield role of the pariah got covered by the elite lychguard/triarch pretorians.

When people now ask for the return of the pariah, everyone takes for granted that they would no longer have the same ominous importance as replacements of necrons as they were before, but would simply be either a new type of necron troop with anti-psychic equipment, or biotransferred humans, except not as a next step, but as a weaponised experiment.

>>95991602
The primaris style of wearing their tabard under their breastplate looks so bad

>>95991613
It's for fatsoes to self-insert

>>95991613
I think it looks fine

>>95991602
wow, we really needed that

>>95991613
is it the angle? But why do some primaris models always look like someone that just shat themself?

>>95991602
loyalist marine players are crazy buying these, compare to how unique the DG heroes were

>>95991597
It's not that they are scared of them, it's simply just them trying to crush the competition. Corporations always do whatever they can to crush competition, even if that competition isn't anywhere close to being a significant threat.

>>95990816
>What are (You)r thoughts on it? Did you like it? Did you dislike it?
Hate it. Less granularity in loadouts, no custom subfaction rules, no psychic phase, gay primarchs.
>What would you like to see for 11th?
Frankly, I don't even care anymore.

>>95991602
>>95991613
>they're still trying to make primaris happen

>>95991602
None of them looks even slightly interesting. The previous box wasnt great, but at least the models had some variety.

>>95991602
>should we release another chaos set with unique interesting sculpts
>naw just give them phobos and BLACKED

>>95991628
I don't like those either even if I like primaris.
90% of the space marine heroes shit for primaris is extremely low effort and boring.
I'd rather just buy another company heroes kit to get some armor variation than buy that piece of shit.

>>95990816
I don't like it. It made my friends and I stop playing the game and just paint instead.

So Chaos Daemons are not getting a codex are they? They'll stay an Index and get squatted next edition?
I feel like Grotmas giving them all 4 basic detachments is telling.

>>95991635
Anon, they aren't "trying" anything. Primaris are and have been the default for almost 10 years.
GW just made this shit because it's a low effort cash grab.

>>95991641
no
yes

>>95991602
I would love to see some xenos.

>>95991602
>"""dark angels"""
>aside from one tabard on one guy (which isn't even a DA exclusive thing anymore), literally nothing in the models marks them as dark angels besides their paint job
The crazy part is marinefags will still eat this shit up. They truly deserve everything that's happened to them.

>>95991618
Perfect for you then!

Don't lie, you marine piggies are going buy the latest slop. How do I know? Because you've already pre ordered it

>>95991638
I like the African-style heads. My son will look like that most likely (WMBF) even if he is going to be lightskinned, and I want to make some miniatures that look like him.

>>95991602
I guess Carnac is too busy celebrating Canada day, normally he'd be here demanding that anyone with an iota of a negative thing to say about primaris post their models and calling them fake grogs

>>95991647
They've always done that AFAIK. The first round was painted as Ultras, then a variety of Chapters for a different box, and then finally as BAs when the boxes were re-released.

>>95991653
Pretty gross, nobody asked about your mutant child anon.

>>95991649
HUUUUUU

Do Orks speak their own language in-universe or do they all run around shouting in mangled Low Gothic

>>95991606
Ty for the explanation anon

>>95991665
Yes.
They learn low gothic with the sole purpose of insulting imperials.

>>95991597
>They can't be that scared of 3D printers/third parties/recasters
Oh, they can. They are still bitter about Chapterhouse all these years later, that really hit them in their pride, the one time their litigious nature bit them. As for printers, this company is run by people who do not understand the technology and do not want to. It's easy to be scared of something you willingly do not understand. I swear the only reason Warp Spiders got a new kit is because other companies were putting out stuff that ate those 30 year old models (sold at full price) to absolute shame. Pic related.

>>95991175
Anon like half of our regular model posters are Canadian, they’re probably celebrating.

>>95991672
rude gits

>>95991674
>As for printers, this company is run by people who do not understand the technology and do not want to.
You know all of their current master models are concepted and made with 3D printing right? They absolutely know the technology.

>>95991672
'preciate their dedification to the bantz

>>95991659
Oh that explains the absence of smug cunts in the building.
The Canadian embassy is inside an office building hidden from the public, while the USA embassy is this massive thing.
For some reason the Canadians think we do not understand french and always talk shit about us and then wonder why everyone treats them like ass.

>>95991647
It's just their box cover? The heroes 1 series wasn't ultramarines besides the paintjob on the box either.
The plague marines are the only ones with their legion fixed by the models themselves

>>95991685
I'm sure the guys designing models do. The old suits who actually call the shots absolutely do not.

>>95991685
And they most likely were using high end printers already, when most people here were looking in disgust on some printed models because of the ugly lines.

>>95991653
That’s adorable, good luck anon. May your child be blessed with hybrid vigor.

>>95991692
the only Canadians that speak french are Quebecois and they are universally insufferable to everyone including the rest of Canada

>>95991602
>Every display unit will have eight blind boxes, but there is no guarantee you will get all seven miniatures if you buy a full dispenser of eight boxes.
Eh? Didn't previous WH Gatcha at least have it so that if you buy out the full team you get no duplicates?
Or am I hallucinating?
Trying to make a killteam like that sounds very silly.

>>95991711
>t. poo trying to larp as his anglo superior.

Anyone who is somewhat human would love the Quebecois as they love themself.

>>95991715
>Didn't previous WH Gatcha at least have it so that if you buy out the full team you get no duplicates?
>Or am I hallucinating?
No, you aren't.
That's how it was with the past sets.

>>95991720
see what I mean? its like some kind of superiority and victim complex rolled into one, inherent to their very beings
they can't help themselves

>>95991739
>Defending yourself is a superiority complex.
The projection is astounding.

>>95991749
Go back to europe, french fry.

>>95991731
So, they changed it from buy full team (or just get random dude for conversion fodder) to essentially full on gamble whether you can even assemble a KT?

>>95991776
Yes.
Why?
Because they are assholes. Always were.

>>95990743 (OP)
>Canada

>>95991553
Anyone?

Is it still a pile of shame if it's just one box of bits and models that didn't make it to your final list but that you might still need later

>>95991809
Storm Troopers.

>>95991810
No, of course not. That's just your bitz box.
My dude, I own almost every single kit in 40K and AoS. You're fine.

>>95991706
They were. You could see print lines in some of GW's promotional shots years and years back, well before resin printers exploded into the hobby mainstream.

>>95991813
It has to be something i have. Pick old or newhammer and we'll take it from there.

I really really like this model.

>>95991822
overdesigned slop

>>95991822
I wish GW or any recasters I'm aware of cared enough about it to start selling it again.

>>95991822
i don't like axes it is cool though

>>95991822
Is it hard to get?

>>95991821
>oldhammer
>not having storm troopers of any kind
What next? You do not have an inquisitor with his band of merry friends?

>>95991821
Fuck it, newhammer. Nobody else felt like answering.

>>95991840
It used to be really common as GW made a ton for Dark Imperium . Then they gave the Lord of Contaigon broken rules so all the meta chasing waacfgs bought him up en masse (nobody is using Lord Felthius)

>>95991822
axe is a bit silly innit

>>95991840
not really, you can get him on ebay for like $30-40. he's out of production for about 10 years now but they made like a million copies of that box so there's a lot floating around

>>95991845
Alright. That makes things easier since I don't have a lot of newhammer elite squads, almost all of them are old metal stuff.
Terminators or sternguard?

>>95991864
Gotta be termies, man.

>>95991849
>(nobody is using Lord Felthius)
I do.

>>95991871
Cool, one squad of purple termies coming up.

>>95991859
>not really, you can get him on ebay for like $30-40

I've never seen him below $100

So how are they gonna make Russ's model not just an alternate version of this? Or will he be some sort of werewolf?

>>95991276
This as a concept stops working at the higher T levels btw

>>95991899
I really hope they make russ a wulfen of sorts

>>95991899
four wolves around him
beard twice as long
his gauntlets are wolf heads with embedded axes coming out of the mouths, which are engraved with wolves
his pauldrons are also wolf heads

Astra milicum

>>95991899
He'll look like this, 2 crows instead of 2 wolves, eye patch (Odin sacrificed his eye to gain the power of runes, which means he gained the knowledge or magic of reading!!! wow so deep!) Odin is also hung from the world tree and Russ has the world tree quest he's on.
Or you know my personal favourite idea he'll be a wolf monster chaos spawn

>>95991923
That a unit of measurement?

>>95991899
So how are they gonna make Lion's model not just an alternate version of this? Or will he be some sort of werecat?

I know it would probably go against the whole theme of an unknowable eldritch hive mind but god dammnit I wish the tyranids had an abathur-like character with an individual personality to act as a foil to Cawl, Bile, and Trazyn

>>95991966
You are what's wrong with 40k nowadays.

>>95991966
People like you are the reason 40k lore is turning into superhero garbage, please neck yourself

>>95991932
And your personal idea is shit. And I'm glad knowing it'll never happen.

>>95991899
He will come back wielding the Dionysian Spear and stab it through the Emperors heart temporarily bringing the Emperor back to his former state to speak to the Imperium but they dying and being reborn as something even greater.

>>95991970
>>95991973
40k was always superhero "garbage".

anyone can post hte new space wolves codex please?

>>95991970
>>95991973
yeah I know it’s a lame idea sorry

>>95991974
Once GW brings back all the loyaist primarchs and resurrects Sangy and Horus for their final FINAL showdown again, they'll have no where to go but to kill and corrupt the living primarchs. If they don't blow up the setting like AoS first

>>95991966
As much as I like Abathur. The only good thing from Heart of the swarm.
Nids do not need a named character.
If you really need a named character you have Biophagus in GSC that are basically Mad Scientist.
Since Genestealer Cults do have interstellar Empires a random named characters that dicks around creating monsters could work

>>95990792
>>95990764
They never met. The book is set before "Crusade: Pariah Nexus".
Roboute will enter the Nexus, fight a little and then retreat to go back to Ultramar to fight in the Plague Wars

>>95991988
>If they don't blow up the setting like AoS first
They'll just do this and they'll port the primarchs over as living God Kings in a new universe with new models.

>>95991966
But anon Necromunda bought that character into excistence already, in the one way that doesn't remove but enhances their eldtrich natrue

>>95991962
But he IS a version of this

>>95992016
And he doesn't need to be anything else.

>>95992012
When your weapon is pair of elevator and your theme song is this: https://youtu.be/n-x4ttQioNw?si=aJnKqWmRbk5e6jkM
Love that fucking guy

>>95992016
yeah and that model sucks.

Will GW ever bring HIM back though? Maybe he's just been a murder hobo across Commorragh for ten thousand years. His whole life day to day is a fps character, go to a level kill everyone and then go to a new area and do the same. But all the enemies do literally respawn so he's hasn't actually achieved anything but entertain the locals for a hundred centuries

>>95992012
>But anon Necromunda bought that character into excistence already
And he'll be forever stuck in Necromunda and is never added to 40k proper.
Nevermind the fact, that isn't really Hermiatus, it's just an echo of his psyche re-created by the malstrain broodmind.
It's basically a tyranid skinwalker posing as Hermiatus than actual Hermiatus himself.

>>95992035
I'm to small brained to get your reference anon, what do you mean his weapon is a pair of elevators?

>>95992056
>It's basically a tyranid skinwalker posing as Hermiatus than actual Hermiatus himself.
Like I said that's how you get a abathur like character without hurting the nids being an unknowable eldritch hive mind

>>95992049
Yes. He's a Primarch. Primarchs make money. I can guarantee you that even Jaghatai and Ferrus are more popular than any xenos character.

Does anyone know a good fan song from YouTube of Ciaphas Cain that fits him ?

>>95992065
Lol, you think Ferrus outsells Ghazgul or the Silent King? Or even Farsight?

>>95992049
>Will GW ever bring HIM back though?
Yes. very primarch is being brought back and they will be who they were before.
Yes, even Sanguinius, Horus and that metal hand man.
GW has already been paving the way for Sanguinius to come back in multiple books.
And with the Horus Heresy the End and the Death part 3, Emperor's and Horus' battle ends in Horus just dying, Emps didn't even obliterate Horus' soul from existance.
Emps just basically says "I forgive you, and I will wait for you." Which is just GW 100% setting up the actual return of Horus for to happen in the future.

>>95992058
https://youtu.be/CGwZ7IctRJY?si=13KJQzLMCdX_WNeq
Bondrewd is the best dad.
People have made comparison of Hermiatus, the Second Son and Bondrewd.

>>95991966
(fanfic based on old necron lore)
The C'tan the Eremit went into a eating frenzy and escaped out of the border of the known universe. HE is the hivemind that hungers to consume all. Alternativley an old one (who are known for bioengeneering) went crazy and created or "created" them.

>>95992079
Yes.
You have to be dleusional to think otherwise. Primarchs are main characters, xenos aren't.

>>95992079
Yes. He is a primarch. Xenos always play second fiddle to marines and marines+.
Seriously, if GW actually made a Ferrus Manus model for 40k, every retard and their mother would buy it and the pre-orders for that shit would full in less than a second on GW's website.
Especially if GW goes with the idea and makes Ferrus into the leader for the Legion of the Damned, like the community has memed him to be.

does anyone have the homebrew chapter bingo?

>>95992106
Legion of the Damned have been squatted though so who knows if they'll come back

Malstrain corrupt regular nids.

>>95992081
fuck you I did not want to be reminded of that scene

>>95991907
Nothing should have a toughness above 10 and nothing should have a strength above 10. 4th did it right and when you had a unit with S7 you knew they slapped some shit. Everything with a toughness greater than 10 is a vehicle anyway, which should just have armor values. Oh and stop allowing tanks to shoot from the tip of a tread. Now parking lot lists are more manageable. If only there was an edition that did all of this...

>>95992137
that's not what it says

>>95992080
>paving the way for Sanguinius to return in multiple books
Qrd? Thought he was dead dead

Who is the most like a Shonen Fighting protagonist hero in 40K?

>>95992137
regular GSC cultists, not that pure strains get turned

>>95992149
Farsight. He's also canonically a fag, so you can relate.

>>95992137
arent malstrains so disgustingly inbred the hivemind doesnt even want to interact with them

>>95992137
got the full book?

>>95992149
Pick someone who never loses.

>>95992149
Calgar or Gulliman. They constantly get fucked over and only survive through some miracle or because someone saves them but they still always stand up and fight again... with the power of friendship and daddy issues.

>>95992162
Yeah the hivemind is not comign for Necromunda (so that setting is safe) but you cna headcanon it that the infected strains of GSC are simply put at the bottom of the menu, many many healthy GSCs to nom first

>>95992162
So it's suggested, tyranids sometimes choose targets depending on psychic signals, the malstrain signal isn't a healthy cult's signal, so the fleets don't go for necromunda.

>>95992149
Farsight or Asurmen. Probably Asurmen since he's more focused on fighting.

>>95990743 (OP)
>Be Canuk marine
>stray plasmashot penetrates my armor on the right arm.
>FUCK.png
>Hurts like hell, but not lethal if the apothecary gets here I could easily make it.
>Wait.. no... nononono.
>Too late. Apothecary noticed my cry of pain. comes over to take a look.
>"mmmmm brother anon my friend, you appear to be injured."
>Try to tell him it's ok it's just a small flesh wound I can walk it off.
>He barely looks at the wound before pulling out his bolt pistol and paints my brains on the ground.

>>95992149
All of the Phoenix Lords are wandering hero-warriors who fight daemons and monsters to protect people and enact justice against evildoers.

>>95992152
Regular genestealers that land on necromunda get brain jacked by the malstrain alpha once they land on the planet.
Most of them making their way to Secundus abyss and then getting added to the Malstrain cult and becoming part of it.
Malstrain corrupt regular nids, it's the reason why hivemind avoids them.

>>95991899
Russ does not have a grey beard and long hair.

>>95992180
>>95992190
When they revealed the Malstrain in necromunda on stream they specifically said that the reason why the hivemind isn't coming is specifically because it can hear the malstrain's signal, which is horribly garbled and corrupted.
Which causes the hivemind to go "Nope! We ain't going there."

>live 100km away from nearest store or 40k playing community
>used to play with friends all the time
>one got fed up with GW forever
>other got a gf and has been MIA for a year
>two moved away for work
I am the only one left. I only get to play TTS and paint my miniatures. TTS is fine but nothing beats moving your little soldier men across the board.

>>95992232
>one got fed up with GW forever

Play something else with him?
Alternatively, play solo games?

>>95991665
To expand on the answer, yes they have their own language but like speaking low gothic to banter with Imperials, but a fun fact a lot of people don't realize is that the Orkish word for their own kind and the color green are synonymous. So when an Ork says, "Orks is best", it's the same as when they say "Green is best".

And it's another reason why painting your Orks in a non-green skin tone is dumb. They are, in the literal sense of the word, no longer Orks.

>>95992232
>live 100km away from nearest store or 40k playing community
Do you live in the Outback or something?

>>95992218
I don't think so. Here's how I read it can you point out where I'm going wrong
>From time to time a Genestealer spore will be bought to necromunda...
Genestealers arrives on Necromunda
>Sometimes these make their way down into the underhive
The stealers can actually form a cult and isn't caught or killed
>..the fledging cult grows and it detects the Malstrain Patriarch..
As is
>As often as not this singal repels the cult, though some do succumb to the call and are absorbed into the Malstrain cult
So 50/50 a normal GSC results. But the GSC cultists do make their way down and are absorbed
>When agents of the Malstrain encounter off-world xenos cult the result is the destruction of the latter as it overwhelms the lifecycle
GSC 2 and later generations can only create malstrain genestealers and malstrain GSC, not genestealers turning malstrain.

How is the Malstrain Patrairch trapped in the Secundan Abyss, how is it stuck in a radioactive prison and not dug out or freed by its cult?

>>95992258
>How is the Malstrain Patrairch trapped in the Secundan Abyss, how is it stuck in a radioactive prison and not dug out or freed by its cult?
It's not trapped, it's there by choice. No point to leave a good nesting site where it can slowly but surely grow the cult.
>GSC 2 and later generations can only create malstrain genestealers and malstrain GSC, not genestealers turning malstrain.
The text clearly says that the normal reproduction cycle is hijacked and overwhelmed by the malstrain. Also the Secundan Abyss horribly polluted and radiated, any genestealers going there will get inevitably mutated by the environment just like the Malstrain have been mutated.

Tyranids can be corrupted.

>>95992240
I still think non-green orkoids can and should be explored
>chaos mutation
>misbegotten subraces
>patterns that don't completely replace the green skin, but only partially
a proper ork is green, but the galaxy is a big place, and not all is proper everywhere

>>95992149
marines

>>95992218
That's not what the text says, it doesn't even remotely suggest such a thing would be possible on regular nids (non genestealers)

>>95992141
Weakling.

>>95992215
Your post made me realise that thats another ancient greek connection they eldar have. Their aspects warriors are bascially hero cults to the Phoenix Lords, cause greeks used to larp and claim descent from demigods

>>95992291
Genestealers are regular tyranids.
It would work on them too.

>>95992277
>It's not trapped, it's there by choice.
Its referred to as trapped in a bunch of necromunda fluff though?
>>95992137
This fucking page literally says the Malstrain Patriarch has a 'captive will' ie that it is cpatured and trapped. And you're argueing with the thread about how your reading comprhension is correct with genestealers turning into malstrains and not being born with too many and mishappend limbs and eyes

>>95991849
Felthius and the Tainted Cohort were available on Amazon for like 36 bucks for the past couple years. As soon as the DG rules dropped, that box has been sold out as f*** everywhere. It's not even listed on Amazon anymore. So yeah, people are using him.

>>95991338
Goddamn this box is so cool, makes me want to play blood angels

>>95992316
"Captive will" is talking about the patriarch's Broodmind, retard. Read it again yourself.

>>95992344
Then how do you explain the line
>Should the Patriarch ever escape the Secundan Abyss
Escape from an area implies entrapment or imprisonment you fucking retard. Its not free and just growing the cult the cult barely survived and is horribly fucked up and contagious to the other later generations of healthy GSCs with a trapped and probably insane patriarch leader.
You're a fucking retard you can't read a piece of text correctly

>>95992321
It’s meta chasers who couldn’t get the Dark Imperium one. Watch them all show up on Ebay when Death Guard get nerfed. Just like Ynnari armies all popped up post dataslate.

>>95992288
A rainbow lasergun could be a cool concept
>fires in quick succession all individual wavelengths of the spectrum until it finds the most efficient laser mode, the rainbow is a byproduct of this process, at the end of the rainbow there's inevitably a big explosion
>it's a gun that channels and fires psychic "light" straight from the warp, the psychedelic ray maddens people and can overload psykers
>the gun doesn't shoot light, it contains a psychoactive crystal that when activated sucks light, all literal and metaphorical lights and colours of the target get leeched by the gun, until only an eerily colourless husk remains

>>95992361
>Escape from an area implies entrapment or imprisonment you fucking retard
It doesn't, the patriarch is there by choice because there is no other place to go and it is the perfect breeding ground for the malstrain.
It's staying in the abyss so it can grow the cult further. And it can even dominate other, healthy cults, to force them to come to it, so they can be added into the malstrain cult.

Only one who can't read is you.
Malstrain over take and fuck up regular nids and corrupt them.

>>95992310
Do you think that's the only logical possibility, or do you wish that was the only logical possibility?

Because the first is factually incorrect, while the second is just your headcanon.

>>95992371
Lasgun beam colour already varies based on the make of the gun, the weather of a battle field, certain gasses in a void sealed ship, in void warfare etc

>>95992379
There are other healthy non malstrain GSC cults on Necromunda. A bomb out irradiated hellhole is not the ideal place to grow the cult if it can't even take over a single planet.

>>95992385
Yeah, but they don't get imagined as making a psychedelic spectacle like that, I'm talking about a gun whose normal firing mode is shooting a rainbow.

I want a corrupted patriarch on throne model with 5 heads, one for each god plus one for the malstrain patriarch

>>95992381
If the hivemind avoids the malstrain, it is for a reason.
If the malstrain were harmless then they'd just go there and eat them all. Tyranids are masters of genetics after all and little bit of genetic mutation and corruption wouldn't be a problem for them.
But this isn't the case, the hivemind actively avoids them and wants nothing to do with them. The creators themselves during the stream said that the hivemind actively avoids the malstrain because the signal garbled and corrupted which spooks the actual hivemind.

>>95992407
So This but only five heads, far smaller but still larger than a human, and less serpent and draconic and more fucked up alien. So nothing like this picture at all?
Look this is the closest pic i have for a 5 headed creature just use your imagine a bit, a hydra genestealer might be cool!

>>95991966
>>95991992
He is carried by the voice actor/special effects, the actual stuff Abathur says isn't interesting or cool (much like rest of SC writing).
If you open the script of his dialogue and start making a small sip of whiskey every time there is "Essence" you wont be able to read the last of it.

>>95992407
>What's that? a fun plot hook for internal strife in a faction?
>How about I needlessly hamfist chaos into it?

>>95992432
The bar was not high on heart of the swarm anon.

>>95992440
Chaos Patriarchs were already a thing in lore for a while, I'm just saying a kit with a bunch of options would be a good way to represent both elements in the tabletop.

>>95992440
>needlessly hamfisted
NTA but there's a precedence for it somewhat. But Malstrain should be different from chaos GSC. A multiheaded patriarch would be cool there's not tyranid with two or more heads so it would be unique

>>95992137
>he needs to invent lies to "stick it up to nidfags"/insert other inane reason
>>95992218
>>95992291
>Regular genestealers that land on necromunda get brain jacked by the malstrain alpha once they land on the planet.
Wrong moron, there are still freeform roaming Purestrains on Necromunda and they can appear on missions as events and even allied to non-malstrain GSC players. They just can't advance into a Patriarch because the seat is already occupied by the one on the bottom of Secundus.
Also Purestrains are mentioned to be stronger, faster and killier, both in lore and reflected statlines (they have more S, T and I think either movement or wounds, too lazy to double-check)

>>95992398
>A bomb out irradiated hellhole is not the ideal place to grow the cult
It is ideal, there's hardly any imperial presence and the cult is specifically left alone completely. And many genestealers and any cults they form on necromunda can get mind controlled by the malstrain patriarch to join the malstrain cult to swell its numbers instead.
Only people who do appear in the secundan abyss at any "regularity" are just fool hardy dumbasses in the searh of glory and money, prime targets to get kidnapped and forcefully converted to the malstrain cult.
And any that somehow manage to escape are just treated as schizos by others when they go to blabber about there being some horrid xenos in the tunnels. And many people who do manage to escape also can be people who got actually infected by the malstrain and they were intentionally let go back, so they can spread the cult further.

The malstrain already have spread way beyond the wall itself, the very text says they have tunnelled out of the abyss and have come into contact with squat holds and even use the other tunnels and caves that exist on the equtorial spine of Necromunda to spread the cancer that is the malstrain cult.

>>95992463
>They just can't advance into a Patriarch because the seat is already occupied by the one on the bottom of Secundus.
Is THAT what's going on? I thought there was like 3-4 different healthy patriarchs and 1 fucking up malstrain one. There only being one stopping the others makes way more sense

>>95991602
Jesus Christ what a fucking mess
>Sternguard guy is painted green despite being Deathwing, is assigned to a 5th company and has a Lieutenant marking instead of Veteran marking on his shoulder pad. For some reason his shoulder pad trims are painted gold, no one knows why
>Infernus guy belongs to the 6th company despite being Fire Support
>Generic Intercessor belongs to the 9th company despite not being Fire Support
I miss the time when GW cared.

>>95992463
>Wrong moron, there are still freeform roaming Purestrains on Necromunda
Never said there weren't. Read the text again.

Maybe you nidfags shouldn't get so butthurt over your faction.

>>95992454
>Chaos Patriarchs were already a thing in lore for a while
"a while" is
>double checks
"1987-1993", probably far less given that I doubt that Genestealer CLANS were described in the very first book.

>>95992463
>They just can't advance into a Patriarch because the seat is already occupied by the one on the bottom of Secundus.
That already tells me the malstrain have hijacked the other cults.
>Also Purestrains are mentioned to be stronger, faster and killier
Which means nothing when they can get mind controlled by the malstrain patriarch.

>>95992480
That's the official explanation, but regular Purii are still around and regular GSC can still reproduce.
>>95992484
Like clockwork.
>read the text again
>"Regular genestealers that land on necromunda get brain jacked by the malstrain alpha once they land on the planet."
First of all, your retard ass mixed up "malstrain alpha" (literally a model of slightly more elite purestrain) and malstrain patriarch (actual patriarch that has no current model).
Next comes the "get brain jacked" which is utter bullshit, malstrains are kill-on-sight for regular GSC and purestrains, both are still around. So much for "brain jacked" part.

>>95992472
>the cult is specifically left alone completely
Aside from the elite kill teams that hunts its members for sport
>Only people who do appear in the secundan abyss at any "regularity" are just fool hardy dumbasses
Yeah so no large masses of people a GSC likes to be around to have millions or tens of millions of members and not a few thousand sicker weaker infected creatures.
>And any that somehow manage to escape are just treated as schizos by others when they go to blabber about there being some horrid xenos in the tunnels
You're just posting headcanon anon, the DUSTWALL is there to gaurd aganist them. Everyone knows they are real and are a threat, there's no one treated as a schizo when as you said they are outside the wall and very very real.
You keep posting your headcanon as canon, its not

>>95992506
Odd, is not like GSC can't have multiple Patriarchs. For the Not! Cadian thing the cult there had two Patriarchs.

>>95992420
>it is for a reason
yeah, the same reason that would make a sane person not approach a restaurant that reeks of shit
>If the malstrain were harmless then they'd just go there and eat them all
not if they have plenty of other targets that take priority and have healthy psychic signals to flag ideal and ripe planets for consumption, which they inarguably do
>Tyranids are masters of genetics after all and little bit of genetic mutation and corruption wouldn't be a problem for them.
as a matter of fact it largely was NOT a big problem when they encountered a very similar issue with the ymgarl genestealers: these genestealers were described in 5th ed as being extremely mutated and extremely unstable, like sprouting tentacles and rearranging limbs into different random shapes type of unstable, with the swarms outright refusing to assimilate them into the digestion pools if they were to be found on planets they invaded, not too much time later we saw the Y factor as an experimental adaptation the hive mind was testing on some monstrous/leader beasts, where the organism would feature some of that unstable mutant power in a more controlled manner and for its direct benefit, implying that at the end of the day they did eventually absorb and genetically study or fix whatever might have constituted a problem

Again, you keep repeating your own headcanon as if it will somehow become the only logical possibility on the table, conflating ironic simplifications of the interaction for light hearted introductory purposes and straight up misreading or hallucinating text.

All because for some reason you 'need' this to be the case? why?

>>95992526
Conflicting lore is nothing new, but basically they needed a reason why Nids have ignored Necromunda and made one.

>>95992506
>muh mix up
Yes, I did mix it up.
Still read it again, retard.
Regular pure strains can get mind controlled by the malstrain patriarch.

>>95992526
> For the Not! Cadian thing the cult there had two Patriarchs.
What Not! Cadian thing?

>>95992536
>it's not a problem
>but they still avoid them for no reason.
This just means the malstrain are an actual problem and not something they can fix.

>>95992538
I mean the malstrain smelling like india alone could explain the nids avoiding necromunda.
The malstrain patriarch preventing the formation of a second patriarch is just dumb, specially when those fucker pop up multiple times in a planet just because they are in different continent.

>>95992454
>>95992456
It was shit then, it's even worse now, it's far better to not automatically assume malstrains, or whatever other random potential anti-tyranid-genecult to arise to be automatically chained down to chaos. hell, even in the case of chaos genecults the most interesting option is to not make the cult just a chaos cult with demons sockpulpetting genestealers in addition to everything else, but to make the genecult be "radical" in the sense it employs dark rituals and pacts for its own ends, more than the demons' ends.

>>95992546
Vigilus. Place where GSC bully the NL.

>>95992541
>"flip a coin, on heads some nascent cults get attracted to the Secundus beacon"
>"btw the Malstrain Patriarch is significantly impaired and doomed"
>spuns this into "ITS OVER FOR NIDFAGS CHAOS ALWAYS WINS BTW"
Astonishing feats of /v/-grade thinking.

>>95992541
Anon you're hallucinating text again, there's nothing there about mind controlled genestealers. But there IS this sentence
>As often as not this singal repels the cult
So theres mind control but it only works half the time and the other half are immune and reject you

>>95992472
>The malstrain already have spread way beyond the wall itself
Only their gangers and infected cockroaches (tyramites), which is why you can't field Genestealers and Alphas in regular Necromunda. You can't field the Coalescence either. All those are locked to the shitty irrelevant sub-gamemode.

>>95992576
And other does get mind controlled and they make way to the secundan abyss, where the malstrain then proceed to fuck up the healthy individuals and their life cycle permanently.
We both are correct here.

>>95992570
I remember reading about night lord convoy being ambushed and slaughtered by GSC, night lord raptors getting overwhelmed and killed but can you post there being two patriarchs?

>>95992549
I literally told you why they don't go there:
tyranids choose targets by evaluating the psychic signature of a cult, the psychic signature is absent or weak or crooked? they don't go there and instead go where there's a good signal

It's not difficult, your headcanon that tyranids would fear going to necromunda as if it was some endgame scenario for them is just that, your headcanon

>>95992583
>All those are locked to the shitty irrelevant sub-gamemode.
Not for long.

>>95992587
There's nothing there to imply its genestealers getting corrupted, just the already brainwashed human cultists and half genestealer hybrds

>>95992583
A Malstrain Corrupted gang gains the following benefits:
>The gang Leader may be upgraded to a Psyker.
>0-3 Malstrain Genestealers may be recruited as Brutes.
>0-1 Malstrain Coalescence may be recruited as a Brute.
>0-2 Malstrain Tyramites may be purchased for each Leader and Champion.
>Any number of Malstrain Brood Scum may be hired.
Literally says you can use genestealers and coalescences in corrupted gangs.

>>95992596
Did you miss the memo about the GW-games getting only more and more separated from the 'FW'-games?

As of right now in the lore what you rank order the traitor legions in terms of cohesiveness and unity? I'm guessing Night Lords still at the bottom but where would you place the rest now that Primarchs are out collecting up their warriors?

>>95992617
>Black Legion (ADB)
>Word Bearers
>Black Legion (Normal)
>Thousand Sons
>Iron Warriors
>Death Guard
>Emperor's Children
>World Eaters
>Night Lords
>Alpha Legion

>>95992600
>There's nothing there to imply its genestealers getting corrupted
>the text literally says the genestealers get mind controlled
>and once they come into contact with the cult it irreversibly fucks up their life cycle
>it doesn't corrupt them
Hmmmmm.

>>95992617
>WordBearers
United utterly like the HH, but really divded in 2 between Kor and Erebus since Lorgar is praying or whatever
>Blacklegion
All united under Abaddon, but really countless different warbands that compete and fight each other but unite when Abby calls, which hes done 13 times in 10k years
>Emperors Children
Broken but somewhat united under Fulgrim, still some warbands
>Thousand sons
same as EC
>Alpha legion
Shit loads of warbands none know what the other warbands are planning or their motives, some don't even know their own plan
>WE
Explicitly the most divided into warbands
>DG
Same as TS and EC
>Night lords
Uniting under ADBs OC
>IronTards
also divided but each wants Perts attention (they always fail)

>>95992606
Alright my bad for extending the sentiment behind Alpha towards that.

>>95992612
Necromunda is a Forgeworld game, retard.

>>95992482
>despite being Deathwing
Not canon.

>>95992642
Listen you braindead fucking retard, the ones succumbing to the malstrain psychic signal are the GSC culists not genestealers themselves, thats the 'mindcontrol' you keep going off about
>>and once they come into contact with the cult it irreversibly fucks up their life cycle
Yes the genestealr life cycle of genestealer -genestealer hybrids slowly look more and more human -looks fully human - full genestealer.
that's whats corrupted, the full genestealer generation comes out as malstrain genestealers, weaker and gimped from genestealers. Genestealers don't grow extra eyes or have their eyes change place on their skull when they grew normally. No malstrain genestealers are born fucked up thats why they look as dratistically fucked up as they are. Get it?

>>95991647
tabards were never a dangel exclusive thing retard-kun

>>95992654
Go check the Codex.

>>95992671
>Listen you braindead fucking retard, the ones succumbing to the malstrain psychic signal are the GSC culists not genestealers themselves
That is your own headcanon.
It doesn't say anywhere only GSC cultists get affected and actual genestealers are spared.
You're just a nidfag who's butthurt at the prospect that his bugs might have some problems to worry about.

>>95992588
I don't think it was part of Vigilus? The source that I recall concerning the possibility of two Patriarchs was a short story from the perspective of a Vindicare assassin who was dispatched to kill the Patriarch of a cult on an unnamed(?) planet, and did so, only to get jumped by a second one that was stalking him the entire time.

>>95992487
>Cult Tenebrus is from the 7th edition codex i.e. 2016
>>95992566
I'm not saying there's gotta be any connection between chaos gsc and malastrain gsc, just that "corrupted patriarch on throne" could be a kit with multiple options like the current daemon prince kit to represent both.

>>95992588
During the Unthinkable War, Terra had 3 separate genestealer cults with their own patriarch dicking around.
Vigilus something similar happen. In different hives you had multiple cults dicking around in the planet. One in Hive Ankhar Tertius and another fucker in Megaborealis

>>95992685
Cunt what do you think the 'fledging cult' that detects the signal means?
>>95992541
Its the humans given the stealer kiss and 1st generation GSC, not genestealers proper. And don't call my shit headcanon when you;ve said a bunch of headcanon shit as fact that you don't reply to and just ignore because you're wrong.
> bugs might have some problems to worry about.
The problem that half of the GSC on necromunda can just ignore? Yeah wow big threat

I think we should summon Carnac for another episode of "Abaddon is using Chaos Gods and already has plans how to deal with them" each time the same disingenuous "Malstrain are a legitimate threat to the Tyranids as a species" arguments start.

>>95992679
I know the rules change you're alluding to and I know the codex says it's not canon.

>>95992712
>Tyranids as a species
Are they even a species?

>>95992718
>Codex is not canon!
>Unless it agrees with my headcanon
Behold, a Terminator.

>>95992704
>Cunt what do you think the 'fledging cult' that detects the signal means?
Entirety of the fucking cult, which includes genestealers themselves, retard.
>it's just the humans
Nothing prevents the malstrain from giving the kiss to the healthy genestealers.

>>95992690
>Cult Tenebrus is from the 7th edition codex i.e. 2016
Very much aware of that. And those are little more than a bunch of lobotomized poxwalkers circa 42m.
And that's the only mention you will find, aside from RT and their separation between Genestealer Clans and Genestealer Cults (which had Patriarch make power bargains with Gods). Personally I think that RT version humanizes patriarch as a "person" and is unneeded.

>>95992712
>Malstrain are a legitimate threat to the Tyranids as a species
They are and that's why they are cool.
And you're only calling it disingenuous because you don't like malstrain.

>>95992685
>You're just a nidfag who's butthurt at the prospect that his bugs might have some problems to worry about.
This tells more about you and why you seem so insistent on pushing this malstrain headcanon, than anything.

>>95992757
I want malstrain to be pushed because they look cool.

>>95992738
>They are
Then so is the Despoiler (aka "Demigod of War" (aka "the ultimate Chaos character" as per official description))

>>95992487
Page 37 of the 8th edition codex talks about Cult Tenebrous, a genestealer cult that fell to Nurgle after getting swallowed by a warp storm. Turns out if the Patriarch is unable to connect to their patron hivemind, they seek alternatives to further their intended goal; even if it means they become a liability to the rest of the hive.

>>95992769
Abaddon isn't cool because he is Chaos. Chaos is never cool.

>>95992766
>>95992738
I mean it paints a pretty blatant picture of you only thinking them as "cool" only as a vehicle to "own bug libtards" which is inane.

>>95992712
Anon... who do you think it is who has such a desperate seethe for tyranids? I know the name has suffered some inflation due to a resident schizo calling everyone (except carnac) carnac.
But seething at tyranids is as much of a trademark for the flameposter as it is seething at lizardmen.

>>95992773
>Turns out if the Patriarch is unable to connect to their patron hivemind, they seek alternatives to further their intended goal; even if it means they become a liability to the rest of the hive.
That is not what that bit said, they literally get tormented for several thousand years and emerge as mindbroken zombies.

>>95992766
Did you buy any?

>>95992782
>oh nooo, some anon is disgruntled over my opinions on the tyranids
>what will I ever do
I still want them because they look cool, tyranids getting rivals is a good thing.
You being against malstrain and not wanting them doesn't make them any less coo. Also malstrain being a threat to tyranids doesn't make either of them any less cool, to think this is in on itself very inane and dumb.

>>95992738
No, malstrains are cool even without them being some kind of trump card endgame for tyranids, if you think that's what makes malstrains cool then you don't like malstrains, you just hate tyranids.

>>95992798
That's Nurgle's whole shtick. He gets you to join him with pain and decaying disease by hoping you give in to the pain, take complacency in it, or take solace in its conditions by calling it blessings rather than curses. Even a bunch of bugs aren't completely immune to the nature of Chaos

>>95992808
>some anon is disgruntled over my opinions on the tyranids
I think it makes you look like a person arguing in pretty bad faith.
>You being against malstrain and not wanting them
I have purchased them as conversion fodder and I am not against them. I do however recognize that their fluff is pretty half-baked and cobbled together just to handwave Necromunda being isolated from the rest of the setting.

>>95992816
Is a Chaos Spawn made from a Custodes a Chaos Custodes? I do not consider those to be.

What's a malstrain?

>>95992816
>Even a bunch of bugs aren't completely immune to the nature of Chaos
Taps the sign: >>95992712, we can play that game all day brochaho, but it wont be fun for either of us

>>95992825
>Hive city on Necromunda gets a genestealer infestation
>Rather than call in support which could lead to further investigations into other bad shit on Necromunda, the city just gets nuked into smoldering ruins
>Resulting radioactive fallout mutates the surviving Purestrain genestealers into deranged creatures

>>95992814
Nah, that does make them cool. Tyranids are still cool.
It's like Russ being brought back as a chaos spawn, it'd be cool and add new intesresting stuff to 40k. Tyranids fighting one another is cool to see.

is the rhino the only vehicle sisters of battle share with space marines?

>>95992843
Sounds like a nothingburger, like that super special Lictor from the Medusa campaign

>>95992371
Cool concept, but probably not the kind of tech the imperium would have access to
Necrons maybe, or probably Eldar

>>95992821
>I think it makes you look like a person arguing in pretty bad faith.
And I don't care if people see it that way.
I still like malstrain and think a malstrain hivefleet would be cool because it adds new interesting shit to 40k.
It being a problem to tyranids is just a bonus, it adds more to them as well to see how they will have to deal with the malstrain when they come into contact with them.

SoB should get bikes, I feel like the whole "nuns on BDSM" could pair well with bikers

>>95992868
>it adds more to them as well to see how they will have to deal with the malstrain when they come into contact with them
Only because you don't read bugfag fluff and you dont actually care anon (and I do)
:3c

>>95992860
It's only a big deal on Necromunda because the Malstrains can still infect humans to form GSC, which makes the ruined Hive they're in an extremely dangerous place for gangs to delve into.

>>95992855
>Tyranids fighting one another is cool to see.
That's not what I'm arguing against, what I'm arguing against is the idea that a backwater mutation might be a "legitimate threat" with the scale and capabilities established for the tyranids.

It makes no sense for it to be that and it doesn't need to be that, you can have tyranids fighting one another without it being some status quo breaking bullshit, especially when it's obvious there's a dishonest obsession with "getting back at tyranids"

>>95992887
I don't read any fluff in this retarded game.
I go off by what I myself like and just read wikis and watch youtube vids as I build my models.
Malstrain are still a great addition, you being against it or even being butthurt over it changes nothing.

>>95992897
>what I'm arguing against is the idea that a backwater mutation might be a "legitimate threat" with the scale and capabilities established for the tyranids.
I know.
>It makes no sense for it to be that and it doesn't need to be that,
It still should be a threat, because that is cool. Seeing tyranids in fighting especially against mutated horrors made out of their own brethren is great.

>>95992898
>i dont read fluff, i let others read it and regurgitate it into my mouth in the form of YT videos
thats not a flattering post to make anon

>>95992371
>>the gun doesn't shoot light, it contains a psychoactive crystal that when activated sucks light, all literal and metaphorical lights and colours of the target get leeched by the gun, until only an eerily colourless husk remains
I'm going with this

>>95992907
>lorelet doesn't know about existing tyranid infighting and views this as something new

>>95992907
You can have the cool fight without it being a challenge to the status quo at large and just an infight that can happen locally.

You're making no honest argument for your stance.

>>95992930
I know hivefleet Hydra attacks other hivefleets and then eats them up to eat their biomass. Other hivefleets do this as well.
It's just the hivemind playing wargames against itself and then seeing which fleet has the bioforms, whoever wins is the better adapted and deadly and inherits the best parts of each hivefleets' genetics.
Malstrain being the wrench thrown into this equation works perfectly for it.

>>95992947
>You can have the cool fight without it being a challenge to the status quo at large
Having a malstrain hivefleet doesn't change the status quo at large. It still just 1 hivefleet among dozens.
It's just a hivefleet which the hivemind doesn't like.

You're making no good arguments for your stance.

>>95992962
Anon, do I have to repeat myself?
That's not what I'm arguing against, what I'm arguing against is the idea that a backwater mutation might be a "legitimate threat" with the scale and capabilities established for the tyranids.

A malstrain splinter fleet is a perfect scale for the infight without needing to throw into it the idea that
>Malstrain are a legitimate threat to the Tyranids as a species
which they have no real need or sense to be

>>95992995
>what I'm arguing against is the idea that a backwater mutation might be a "legitimate threat" with the scale and capabilities established for the tyranids.
Yeah, it isn't.
But it should be.

I like the idea of a malstrain hive fleet cannibalizing other hive fleets just because I think it's very fitting for the setting that every faction is Doomed. Orks will never regain their intellect, the Necrons are all cursed to slowly vanish in minds until it is just a handful of senile nobles kept alive by automatic programs surrounded in courts of ghosts. The Kyn are slaves to dying machine gods, the Admech will never be able to restore their greatness and shall continue to decline along with the rest of the Imperium, sliding further into ignorance and savagery. The Eldar's greatest days have come to pass and the only hope they had is locked away in the domain of Slaanesh, never to be seen again.

Even Chaos has corrupted the once noble Marine legions into parodies of themselves, the immortal Daemon primarchs live tortured existences, and the current leaders of Chaos all swear they will never succumb and are just using the Gods, not even realizing how broken they even are. Yet, at the end of it all, once chaos wins, they cease to exist and die much like the rest.


The Tyranids being forced to stretch and adapt to so many variaint factions fighting causing a cancer-like Malstrain that threatens to doom even them is the type of nihilism that I think every 40k faction needs.

this is why the Tau remain the least fitting 40k faction

How bad is the meta chasing in your area anons?

For me the upcoming tournament has DG at 10% of registered players followed by Imperial Knights and Chaos Knights. There’s over 200 people playing.

>>95993118
Tau should’ve done more with shit like the Farsight enclaves. I like the idea of some Tau shadow govt that keeps everything in line and silences anyone who speaks out. The idea the greater good breaks down once they leave their little corner of the galaxy and see the raging shitfest that is the Milky Way

>>95993123
I'm going to be going to my first RTT in about two weeks so I'll let you know after

>>95993123
My LGS chases the meta so hard that I haven't bothered playing there. It's all netlists no matter what. We had people starting Necromunda and some of the players went with the cheesiest most broken lists possible which made the entire group collapse.

>>95993118
This is how I view it too.
40k's whole point is that nobody survives and there is no happy endings for any of the factions. It is just permanent decline until the end.

>>95993137
Good luck anon what are you playing?

>>95993182
I feel you anon, luckily mine has a solid group of casuals. Competitive games but it’s less netlists and a bit more what’s fun/what people have. There’s still a core element of metafags who just seem like insufferable cunts.

>>95993118
>The Tyranids being forced to stretch and adapt to so many variant factions fighting causing a cancer-like Malstrain that threatens to doom even them is the type of nihilism that I think every 40k faction needs.
I like the idea of what a Malstrain victory would look like. Vaguely humanoid creatures that are spawned and reabsorbed whenever they're needed, they might think of themselves as human (or ork or eldar), but are mostly living in a haze, fully cognizant yet barely sentient.

>>95993202
We used to have a pretty nice group of players that were more geared towards fun, most casual stuff but now it's skewed so far in the other direction it's disheartening. We even did a crusade league that was just a tournament that gradually scaled up. Awful.

>>95993202
I'm gonna play Space Marines but I'm wondering if I bring Guilliman or stick with my Iron hands character

>>95993215
Jesus that store sounds awful

>>95993134
Youtube autoplay give me some random dude that admitted to never played 40k, but give a Tau take that least on a surface level sounded more interesting that whatever GW is currently doing with Tau.
Mostly pointing out that Tau and the Imperium are the same thing as in both have the goal of galactic dominance but have different approach to it. Tau just ask to join their empire before exterminating the competition, throw them in Star Trek and they might was well be the Cardassian but even more evil.

>>95993246
>Listening to sloptubers
>A fucking tertiary sloptuber who has never played and owns no models
Kill yourself

>>95993281
Sometimes sloptubers make good points.

>>95993281
You first. I need an example.

>>95993286
they literally never do

>>95993297
They do.

>>95993286
Back to /v/

>>95990743 (OP)
>TQ
American, Orks.

>>95990816
>What are (You)r thoughts on it? Did you like it? Did you dislike it?
It's the worst edition I've played and I played during 7th. And this was clear the moment they started showing the rules.
> What would you like to see for 11th?
A copy of the 30k rules. And seeing just how many people are ditching 40k to go play heresy in the community (basically every big content creator has expressed their dislike of 10th and how they want the older style of rules and are eyeing up the new edition of 30k) I think that's gonna be a real posibility.

>>95991643
>GW just made this shit because it's a low effort cash grab.
So like all primaris?

>>95990816
I hate any Warhammer game that doesn't use points, simple as.

>>95990965
>drukhari
Until I see someone submit some to the fridgeanon, I refuse to believe anyone plays gay elves here. Anyone claiming otherwise is larping

>>95991211
No you dont

>>95990816
Mixed I think it does some stuff well and some badly
The good:
Missions are overall good and I think the secondary missions work well to keep games engaging. I’ve only used challenger cards once so can’t comment.

Core rules seem better and less dense, there’s room for improvement around core stratagems.

Detachments as a concept are good, I like that they give armies variety in ways of playing them. Factions feel less one dimensional.

The bad
Army building has lost flavour for ease which I think has come with the shift towards matched play

Crusade still sucks, narrative play is not well supported

Combat patrol is shit, I hope that GW replace it with something

Power creep has become really noticeable in the last few months. DG and Knights are just flat out broken. Units fluctuate wildly in how good they are. The Lion has gone from trash to borderline broken.

Detachments are all over the place. CSM have 10 detachments and maybe 3 are actually competitive and maybe 5 playable. Cabal is just a sub par detachment to sell stuff that hasn’t sold.

That’s off the top of my head.

>>95991310
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>>95991389
You're an idiot. He's been telling people submissions were due Monday all month long

>>95991635
You have no models

>>95993429
>replying to a 5 hour old bait
unironically kill yourself

>>95993402
I think the best way to sum up my problem with detachments is Ironstorm Spearhead. The idea is clear - give Iron Hands units the chance to have their way to play Iron Hands by buffing Techmarines. So what are the issues SM tanks have?
>Could use a nice strat to boost their killing power
>They are quite fragile
>Being stuck in combat hurts them
So in return they get a bunch of enhancements and strats that help them. The damage blanking strat, a fall back and shoot strat and a big killy strat.

The issue is that they're not Auras after, so you're spending 85 points on a techmarine to give one tank Lethal hits, you're spending 90 to give it a once per battle round damage blank, and 20 points on any character for fall back and shoot. There is a nice big killy stratagem, but it costs 2 CP and if you actually want to play an Iron Hands themed list you can't generate CP because the only CP generating characters are both Ultramarines.

But if I want a tank list where I get a nice damage boosting stratagem, access to fall back and shoot... I can just pick Gladius??? Gladius gets for free armywide fall back and shoot once per game, and can give it to a unit once a turn for 1cp. They've got a cheaper damage increasing strat. If you're trying to use the thematic list for the themes it's trying to represent you get fucked.
The best example of good detachments is honestly probably the Drukhari, since out of their 3, 2 are really good. One is the boatspam list which fits for transports, the other provides a good bonus to all armies and can become increadbly busted if you go back and forth with the clussy.

>>95993407
Fart Smelldar?
More like Smart Felldar!

>>95993484
>>95991340
Soulless
>>95993407
S0VL

>>95993508
shut the fuck up

>>95993508
My smelldar is telling me you stink

>>95993455
>grrrr everyone knows you have to ignore my bait if you don't like it
>you're not allowed to make fun of me because... just because okay!
>if you don't make fun of me within the arbitrary time limit then it doesn't count!
Apply effort

>>95993531
literal schizo post, trying too hard

>>95993326
No.

>>95993556
Yes?

>>95993508
>punishes people for joining in the game
welp alright, I wont touch your thing again

The Adeptus Astra Telepathica should be more prominently featured in Imperial Agents. It only makes sense.

>>95993587
No.

>>95993598
Yes, sisters of silence should be added into the Imperial Agents codex and removed from the custodes codex.

>>95993466
Firestorm is pretty good too, though imo doesn’t really fit the vibe it’s supposed to.

>>95993466
I think for 11th they’ll cut down detachments to 4-5 but more focused on what each one does

>>95990746
carnac you’re a trash are the OP though

>>95993620
might as well go full MOBA and have units spilling out of their deployment zone in a line while the main characters wander around trying to duel and own objectives

>>95993608
>>95993620
I think a lot of Marine detachments, especially the early ones, suffer from not having proper detachment rules.
The rule for Creations of Bile is a cool table of effects, Reaper's wager gets a cool mechanic but Ironstorm is "reroll 1 dice per unit" and "weapons gain heavy"
It might be part of the pain of being early detachment releases

>>95993599
Yes.

>>95993466
Detachments should have just worked like 3rd edition armylists. Look at the Craftworld Eldar supplement or the Armageddon and Eye of Terror lists or even the later Tyrant's Legion list.

What are the plates/parchment on some Marine pauldrons or legs called? And how do you typically decide what to write on them? There's a lot of generic stuff you can put on like "Ultra" or "Baal", but what're some other ideas of what to put on them?
Show off some of your miniature calligraphy.

>>95993724
It's scroll work.
It's just there for you to paint cool sounding shit onto the model. Maybe it's a name of a planet that the chapter reconquered for the Imperium and the marine was part of that war.

>>95993753
a cheesy way to do scrolls that are elevated is to use a wash after scraping the models letters and then clean up afterwards

>>95993598
Just run a bunch of breekies and a witch hunter.

>>95990816
the "game" serves the same purpose it always has - playing with toys on a table with friends. It's always been 80% list building, 10% luck, and 10% skill and anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.

The only thing that matters are the models themselves, which GW has been doing an alright job with. But only just alright.

>>95993772
>It's always been 80% list building
And now listbuilding is immensely less enjoyable because they took away all the crunch of the game.

>>95993778
who cares? I can't think of a dryer and less interesting thing in this hobby than list building.

>>95993793
>who cares?
People who like to create fluffy lists and armies that fit into the fluff.
If you don't like wargames why are you even trying to play wargames?

>>95993804
>SOULLESS
>SOUM

>>95993683
Don't even joke about that. GW might do it.

>>95993841
we're already there
>I put 3 units into reserve
>my leader/etc/Cp rule lets me put 3 more into reserve
>let me run around my CALAGAAAR unit and take objectives
>muh sticky objective units

too late anon

>>95993793
Play monopoly then.

>>95993850
Well that sucks.
When did this rot come in?

>>95993793
Most people apparently?

>>95993286
>>95993301
Any examples of sloptubers making good points?

>>95993897
Either 8th or 10th.

>>95993897
trying to design the game against battle lines and then ironically using that phrase to describe a unit category and then shimming in rules to stop people moving armies closer in a blob to fight

>>95993897
Partly in 8th when they removed a bunch of core simulationist mechanics of the game for "simplification", even though those mechanics were easy to understand, and replaced that nonexistant complexity with the retardation that's stratagems. Then in 10th they doubled down, removed even more, made the game look even more like a card game or board game instead of a proper wargame with way too much abstraction while actually increasing complexity and mental load with unintuitive gamey systems that force you to have a reference card for everything.

I think stratagems are the worst part of the gameplay. Change my mind

Your time is coming, nu40k fans. Soon, GW shall squat primaris marines and plastic primarchs. The timeline will be reset back to 999.M41, and armor facings shall return.

What will you do when this occurs?

>>95993850
I'm pretty sure that the closest thing to that playstyle was dancing back and forth across the map with Vanguard trying to snipe big backline threats. There are some pretty tough limits on what can come in through reserves

>>95993995
I play guard. How screwed am I?

>>95993995
Why would they do this?

>>95993995
Might be the time of a codex traitor guard. I'd be ready.

>>95994048
You're fine actually. You get cadia back.

>>95994052
Because they realize their mistake and desire to return soul to 40k. To this end, they are working with the US and UK governments as we speak to round up competitive players and deport them to El Salvador.

>>95994060
Aye brother.

>>95993986
I can't argue with that

>>95993986
They are. I don't know whose pet project they were but they are in every fucking game now. It fucking sucks. I want the game to be about the units and their wargear, not about abstract metacurrency spender "abilities".

>>95994052
They need people to re-buy their armies from time to time, to keep things "interesting".

>>95994052
Because those things were a mistake that need correction.

>>95994035
Can someone explain to me the thought process of posting random fanart with zero questions, opinions, or literally anything in the text box? Seems kind worthless as a post imo. I get the feeling it's bots doing it.

>>95994092
I can see a great marine squattening happening like what GW did to the Sigmarines of AoS.
Not sure what models would most likely be squatted though.
And I feel it would be a quiet one. Not a publicly announced one.

>>95994098
Maybe they want to promote themselves? Or their favourite artist? Idk.

>>95994076
>>95994092
>>95994097
You have no miniatures and will attempt to deflect from this fact

>>95993995
>Your time is coming, nu40k fans. Soon, GW shall squat primaris marines and plastic primarchs. The timeline will be reset back to 999.M41, and armor facings shall return.

>>95994098
Have you ever considered that sometimes people post shit just because they think it's cool?

>>95994109
If you wanted to do that you'd post your opinion on it. Also promoting yourself is against the rules here

>>95994116
>NOOOOOOOO NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO DISLIKE 10TH ANYONE WHO DOES HAS NO MODELS PLS GW SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>95994145
I accept your concession

>>95993182
>powergaming in Necromunda
Jesus. Absolute subhumans.

>>95994141
Why would you do so without telling us why you think it's cool. This is a site for discussion, I can't see the reasoning for dropping an image without trying to start a discussion about it

>>95994102
>I can see a great marine squattening happening like what GW did to the Sigmarines of AoS.
People constantly forget the fact about this part is that GW also already said that the squatted units will come back eventually.

>>95994156
This nigga never been to an art gallery before

>>95994145
>another day another firstborn larper
When will they learn

>>95994102
Yes, that might be happening, but depending on how 40k sales will evolve over the coming 10-20ish years, anything could happen.

>Not sure what models would most likely be squatted though.

I guess any of the hyper specialized Primaris squads, with very big potential for everything in Phobos Armour save the Eliminators. But certainly the Reivers.
Then the Desolators for sure. And probably the Flamer guys from Leviathan. So far they dont have a proper kit besides the ETB sprues anyway i believe.
Also certainly no bestsellers:
>Inceptors
>Firestrike Servo Turret (why is that thing even a thing?)
>ATV

>>95994145
You're responding to a sad troll posing as a GW defender.
Posting models is just giving him a modicum of power to compensate for his misery behind the screen.
And he'll move the goalpost no matter what.
Not posting models gives him a bit of ammo to gaslight himself into a small sense of victory.

>>95994156
>Why would you do so without telling us why you think it's cool.
Why should I tell you? Why do you need to know? Do you honestly even give a shit?
No, is the answer to all of these.

>>95994163
This isn't an art gallery. It's a place for people to discuss things. If it was just for sharing images there would be no text input box

>>95993817
>40k
>wargame

lmao, it hasn't been one in like 4 eds.

Why does 10th edition have fucking soulless rules??? Why does it play like a MOBA??

>>95994116
See >>95994060
Its one of my minis. And pic related are some more. You on the other hand...

>>95994156
>I can't see the reasoning for dropping an image without trying to start a discussion about it
Autism.

>>95994175
>>95994145
>samefags
>deflects
Secondaries are 2 ez

>>95994186
Wait till 11th requires an application on your phone to play. It will be glorious

>>95994182
8th was bland as fuck but 9th managed to add a lot of crunch back, despite the lack of mechanics like templates, AVs or proper morale. 10th is just sad.

>>95994177
Because discussion is the reason this site exists. If you want to just send people pictures without talking about it you can just send photos to random phone numbers.

>>95994199
The app is already the most convenient way to get updated sheets and rules

>>95994187
>no timestamp
>no firstborn
Who could have seen it coming

>>95994187
quesstion for you, can you build the whole squad as the normal version without all the special mutations?

>>95994186
>Why does it play like a MOBA??
I don't know what that means I'm not retarded enough to play a moba

>>95994222
>instant goalpost shift
>doesn't post his own
every
single
time
lmao

>>95993182
>Necromunda cheese
I wonder how good spamming some Nomad juves with shock carbines and telescopic sights and silencers is. Just turn into an invisible 24" range gun turret.

>>95994214
>Because discussion is the reason this site exists.
Only for you.
I don't care to talk to some faggot unless it's in my interest to do so.

>>95994199
If 11th is somehow worse than 10th that would be an accomplishment. I want to say it would potentially kill the game, but we all know a bunch of casual kids would keep it alive.

>>95994236
>deflection
And we've come full circle. All firstborn larpers have the same script

>>95994224
Yes, all of them can be built as regular warriors too. There are extra heads and claws for them, and for the one guy with the fat poison bulge on his back, there is an alternative carapace too. No other options besides that tho.

>>95994222
Sorry, marines are boring as shit, firstborn or not. I dont think i've painted a single marine in 15 years.

>>95994215
Only because new editions are designed like shit and you can't fit all you need in a page like before.

>>95994246
>m-muh deflection
>>95994116
>you have no miniatures
>miniatures
you're nothing more than a collosal shitstirring faggot and deserve the rope

>>95994252
I don't like paper. It's rough and it gets everywhere.

>>95994236
>me sad about firstborn being squatted
>lets see your firstborn faggot
>here's my nids
It's like those people who bitched and moaned how GW axed the blood angels tacticals kit and go on about how they 100% totally loved it, but magically none of these people owned any BA models or BA tactical models despite the kit having existed for 10+ years.
It's just disingenuine faggotry to try score imaginary brownie points on an anynomous finnish message forum.

>>95994263
Memes aside, a paper is way easier than having to scroll on a phone.

>>95994278
>>me sad about firstborn being squatted
i never said a word about firstborn Anon, but you quoted me, and i replied.

>>95994278
>ignoring the original post was about 10th and not firstborn

>>95994285
Did you try the app? It's more convenient than you make it sound.

>>95994287
>>95994291
My mistake, but I don't give enough of a shit to follow the reply chain because I find this entire conversation fruitless and really fucking stupid.
I'll leave you alone.

>>95994296
I've tried it and you still need to navigate trhough it. Flicking through paper is quicker and easier.

>>95994300
its okay anon, reading can be hard sometimes.

Looks like pic related happened again.
Is there like a dedicated gw defense force that does it for free here?

The BBB passed the senate and is on its was back to be finalized by the House, how does this affect us?

>>95994325
I'm not a burger so I don't even know what you're talking about

>>95994325
Directly? Not at all.
Indirectly? Probably more expensive minis again. Can't be importing foreign goods now can we?

>>95994252
to hit and to wound is now much easier to grok. at least there's no 'to save' table too. plus no more initiative. and you can argue over the simulationist vs gamist value of a lot of the vehicle stuff imo.
4th was by no means perfect

>>95994116
>>95994194
>>95994167
GW isn't gonna give you money for defending their products for free, and people are entitled to say they prefer older things over newer stuff. Like how I prefer this older metal Cadian medic to the toilet paper bearer and the current Cadian medic.

But enough of that. Let's see you follow through what you demand people to do and post YOUR model(s) with a written timestamp in say 10 minutes.
Move that goalpost or fail to do so and I'll accept your concession.

>>95994352
>and people are entitled to say they prefer older things
you are entitled to like shit, and people are entitled to say you like shit

>>95994360
Based and 12yo pilled

>>95994340
>to hit and to wound is now much easier to grok
It was never hard in the first place. It was just additive instead of multiplicative.
>save table
The fuck?
>plus no more initiative
That's still not hard. Better than fight first shenanigans.

>>95994296
There other day I played 4th. Haven't played it decades so we had to check the rules more often than we like.
I honestly had forgotten how good it was to have a proper index than a fucking website or an app.
>what was Furious Charge?
>look at the index... Furious Charge... Page 74

>>95994360
That’s not a model bro you still got good time to write a time stamp and snap a pic of a model and upload it.
You’ve got your money where your mouth is right?

>>95994368
On the app you can click on an ability to immediately see its full up to date effect and add any specific rule to a list of favorites for easy access

>>95994372
i'm not one of the guys you are arguing with
i'm here to just call you a faggot and annoy you, i have models but i'm not posting them so i can shitpost and be an inflammatory cunt in peace
now boy, go like your shit models more

>>95994387
You could really benefit from having a hobby bro.
Just saying.

>>95994379
Why click when I can just look down? I mean new recruit has had the rules for reference in the printable versions for years now.

>>95994350
Being honest, I've never seen anyone that prefers 10th that has played anything before 8th. Hell, most complain about rules they haven't even read so they don't know what they do.

>>95994390
i do have one, it's wasting your time

>>95994387
I sincerely hope you're breaking global rule 2

>>95994398
NTA but that's genuinely sad.
I hope you change and grow as a person for the better.

>>95994396
The app is just better bro just trust me on this.

>>95994398
It’s genuinely sad how many people there are like this on this board.

>>95994409
Quick question. Can I have multiple list from armies that I have never bought a codex of?

>>95994422
Of course not.

>>95994426
Than how is it better than stuff like new recruit?

>>95994428
It just is, ok?

>>95994428
Just buy the codex bro it's not that hard.

>>95994406
i don't need to grow as a person, i can easily stop right now after this
what you need to do is grow thicker skin and stop being a little bitch who gets upset when someone insults your toysoldiers
also i recommend you stop these empty platitudes they are just pointless filler and shows you're a loser who has nothing better to answer with

>>95994352
>10 minutes passed
>nothing
Concession accepted
I love it when the shitstirrers scurry off when they can’t handle the fires they start and give me a nice win.

This should be a thing. With a model pic and time stamp demand a model pic in a few minutes and then laugh as the gw defending trolls go real quiet and give out free wins.

>>95994435
Why?

>>95994444
Checked, but also if you allegedly own models for multiple armies, it's not like buying some codices is going to bankrupt you

>>95994420
These days you could do thousands of applications and still not get hired.

what's the best way to use bikes?
I've got six bikes and a bike chaplain

I will NEVER pay for the rules
Lemme know if you want any of the codices

>>95994436
>what you need to do is grow thicker skin and stop being a little bitch
I dunno man. You sure got tilted when I actually showed I have models and raised the challenge for the troll to post a model. Not saying you are him, but if you're arguing for him then that's pretty pathetic.
>you're a loser
You self owned yourself in admitting that you make it your hobby to be a being a shitstirrer on this website. Even on this website that is low. You have no room to label someone a loser lest you brand yourself a hypocrite but I don't think such a concept is one you can comprehend.

But do go on. I'm waiting for my Space Marine 2 Twitch Drops and a primed model to dry and cure at the moment.

>>95994449
NTA but what's the point of buying a codex these days? They have nothing inspirational and the rules get outdated before release.

Girls girls you're both pretty

>>95994459
Give me a pdf for thousand sons

>>95994459
Do you have the completed world eaters one? When the codex first dropped it only had the datasheets.

>>95994398
>I have been le trolling all along!
you need to be 18 to post here

>>95994449
What is the point of buying a codex? Usually they are obsolete within a month.
Is not like the older codex that at least had some hobby aspect for them.
For rules alone just use newrecruit or wahapedia. Literally no reason to ever consider using GW app.

>>95994474
https://litter.catbox.moe/jq5wk89tm85touua.pdf

>>95994161
>eventually
Half of the "squated" units came back instantly.
They were just remaking old kits and told you to buy the old version if you want it

>>95994491
They only remade two or three basic units. The entire second edition release wave was gone and never came back.

>>95994397
I played 5th, 6th, 7th and 10th, and out of all of them 10th is the second best.

>>95994490
Is that a dolohin

>>95994489
>>95994466
The code inside lets you use the app and the app is good and gets updated instantly when rules and stats change.

>>95994504
I think GW needs to go full digital at this point.

>>95994504
New recruit get the updates regardless anon, to other armies too!
Not only I can see the rules for my armies, but the armies of my friends I can even make list for my friends and share said list with them!
You have friends anon?

>>95994514
Yeah, I really wish they'd just ditch the paper codices and have a proper always-online Wahapedia in the app.

If they made the app Wahapedia + Tabletop Battles it'd be perfect

>>95994500
no, it's the Tsons codex.
>>95994485
https://litter.catbox.moe/w2x0qxekl0y1rh9k.pdf
have fun anon

>>95994515
I have used both the app and newrecruit prints, etc.
The app is simply better.

>>95994516
GW could in theory finally handle Warhammer 40k like an online turned based RTS game. As they always seem to want to do.
I just think they're doing this physical codex thing out of compliance for the investors. Most stupid decisions are either for short term gain, out of touch investor influence or both.

>>95994514
If codexes were 10 bucks and softback like in 3rd edition I'd buy them just for the rules. When they are 60 buck hardback monstruosities I won't spend a cent.

>>95994522
Sweet, thanks bossman

>>95994524
>simply better
>lacks basic feature other products have
Sure thing anon.

>>95994554
>10 bucks and softback like in 3rd edition
How much is that 10 dollar USD in modern money nowadays?

>>95994561
Like 20 dollars

>>95994459
Might as well complete the set, do you have the death guard codex too?

>>95994504
So, exactly like a college textbook?

>>95994559
>lacks basic feature
It has everything unless you're POOR