Thread 95991542

Standard Challenge Top16 Edition

>Bans (New)
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CUBE RESOURCES
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>Search engines
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>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
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>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
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>Previously
>>95986828

>TQ
What are you looking foward to in Standard?

bob + cecil are the new rat package

>conversation around banning Lurrus in vintage for power level reasons continues
I personally would love for this to happen. That way we could all have a good laugh about how Companion was such a dogshit mechanic that it earned a place among Ante, Dexterity, and Subgames as one of the most irredeemably retarded things ever done to MTG

Friendly reminder this fucker is singlehandlely carrying Izzet to the top... AGAIN.

>>95991581
this objectively proves that FF9 is the best FF game and any other opinion is cope

>>95991580
>lurrus unban

>>95991580
>I personally would love for this to happen.
It absolutely has to happen. No question. The format is so god damned fucking stagnant and shit with Lurrus looming over half of all the games you play.
It's not just power level either. Seeing the same. Damned. Fucking. Card. Every. Fucking. Game. Is extremely tedious and tiresome and Lurrus's mere presence just makes the format less interesting, and more repetitive, as a whole.

I will say this as clearly as I can:
Lurrus ruins Vintage.

>>95991590
Honestly? FF9 fumbles the ending. Other than that though, it's top notch.

FF7 and 10 are remembered best because they stick the landing. Openings and endings are what brianlets remember most, since they don't have the dedidaded WAM to process complex themes as they play out in the middle of stories.

FF9 has the best soundtrack too. Fight me.

>>95991763
>best soundtrack
naw thats FF8.

>>95991772
Fair. 8's is bangin'.

>FF 7 the best game of Final Fantasy no matter what some subhuman people say have all unplayable cards of iconic characters
WotC don't like money.

Much is bubbling in the land of brew.

Is it the best? Meh. It hoses some things, struggles against others. I think it still has a long way to go, but it's actually working as a real list that chokes people to death.

Cleric Class is shockingly potent. Recurring a Graveyard Trespasser with it is sick, as it's not a spell so you can flip to Night the turn it comes back, gain life twice from Cleric + Trespasser ETB, and end up with a 7/7 with Ward.
Fleshgorger is in a similar boat, but instead of utility you just get an 8/6 that hurls a meteor at your opponent if they try to kill it.

It feels alright overall. Might need some more life gain to really get the Font of Agonies rolling. Once it gets set up, Font of Agonies alongside Trespasser's Curse + Meathook can effectively wipe your opponent's board states clear ad nauseam.

Then the backup plan of spamming tokens via Lunar Convocation and the token land.
Gum up the board with blocker spam. Pumping them up with Cleric Class counters, or sac them to Fountainport/Chump block endlessly to kill your opponent via Meathook drains.

It's an abstract kind of brew. But it feels like it's going somewhere.
Hoses the FUCK out of Jund Sacrifice. Trespasser's Curse simply deletes Cauldron Familiar being a threat. Partly why we're playing so much exile removal, to deal with their mill wincon. (Why the FUCK is a random mill wincon stapled to Scavenger's Talent again? WotC is beyond stupid. As if the fucking Cat combo needed an alt wincon. Thanks for that one, you morons.)

It's a fun one. Still working on it. Suggestions welcome.

>>95991905
Also, my waifu...
Amalia... you'd be perfect for this list...
Please come back...

dumb frogposter

So now that Standard is saved, what should I build that:
>A) Won't rotate out when the next set drops
>B) Is actually fun to play

Was thinking about some sort of Ux midrangey Artifact deck built around Simulacrum Synthesizer

>>95991993
I admit it. I do sometimes post frogs.

>>95991995
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7208109#paper

What land cycles are we losing with rotation come EoE?
Wonder what manabases are going to have to look like.

I've been out of the meta for a while.
What faggotry happened that forced something this milquetoast to get banned, and why isn't the actual offender in the list?

>>95991905
How are you doing lately against Cutter, brew anon? I'm currently struggling with my Bounce list with Phoenix lists specially first game, post side match up improves a lot but i just hate that card.

>>95992037
>milquetoast
You spam bounce it and kill people without ever having to interact with anything while also stripping their hand. It's cancer as fuck.

>>95992037
Precautionary measures. They gutted the top 3 decks and then nerfed the next 3-4 best decks after those that people were also tired of just to make sure people would start playing new shit.

>>95992037
WotC decided if they ban red the FF cards would keep being a weak ass shit so... How we make real Magic players also pay for this UB bullshit? Let's kill every fucking deck that worked before cutter. Beans, Bounce and Town died for FF.

>>95992047
>You spam bounce it
Dodging the question.
What was being used to bounce spam it, and why is that card still legal?

>>95992057
Is not. Only Pixie remains.

>>95992045
>How are you doing lately against Cutter, brew anon?
It's honestly not bad. Only the dude that's holding the Cutter has trample, so Lunar Convocation does a decent job of chumping a good amount of Monks if needed. Trespasser's Curses and Cleric Classes blunt their power. And, hilariously, two or three Trespasser's Curses acts almost like a Rule of Law. If they play too spells a turn, and have a few Cutters out, they just die from the drains instead.
If they get too many monks. a Meathook Massacre and a levelled up Cleric Class just becomes a death sentence. Gain 8 life, pump up a Fleshgorger four times. Juicy stuff.

I've honestly had more trouble with Proft's Eidedic Memory than Cutter recently. Sudden 8/6s with haste and flying are solid beats. Font of Agnoies does a good job of chopping those kinds of threats down, though.

Cutter's alright. Sometimes it goes nuts and jams 36 power into your face, but it's not often, and almost never without a Memory online at the same time.

current standard:
uw control
enchantment piles of value
dimir midrange
vivi cauldron
are you having fun right now?

>>95992057
This Town, which also got banned, retardbro

>>95992072
I usually can control the Cutter playing White or Monoblack with the amount of discard but when i leave white behind or have bad luck discarding the thing and hits the ground... Uggh but it's true there are answers for it.

>>95992084
>retardbro
Why would I know that?
Why would I be asking if I knew that?

>>95992009
>Pain Lands
>Ally fast lands (Enemy colors are in Thunder Junection)
>DMU tap lands with the basic land types (Which don't matter much since no one played those)

>>95992095
Why would you ask about a specific card on the banlist without looking at the other ones?

>>95991580
Can someone explain the Lurrus / Paradoxical Outcome combo? I must be a fucking retard because I don't get it.

>>95992085
>I usually can control the Cutter playing White or Monoblack with the amount of discard but when i leave white behind or have bad luck discarding the thing and hits the ground... Uggh but it's true there are answers for it.

The situation with Cutter gets messy. If you have Meathook and Bat spam, you can end up winning from their attacks by just Meathook draining them every time you chump. Combine that with Trespasser's Curse, and their life total quickly gets into dangerous territories, where they can't cast spells or they make Monks and die, and they can't attack or you chump and Meathook them to death.

The list is shaping up to be a very tough puzzle to solve. It really puts people into lose-lose situations, where their only option is to watch themselves bleed out. It's nice. Still needs some work, but it does a surprisingly good job of hosing board stats, and keeps its life total high enough to not have to worry if one or two big swings slip through. Meathook next turn, gain 10 life on the back of Cleric Class, push for more stability. Rinse, repeat until they die.

>>95992037
Pixie bounce.

>>95992107
Paradoxical Outcome bounces your Moxen and Lurrus..
Lurrus recurs your Black Lotus. Its "once each turn" effect resets every time it leaves the battlefield.

>>95992102
Because I lack context.
I already explained this to you, why are you asking questions you already know the answer to?

>>95992119
retardbro, I accept your concession

>>95992057
pixie
kirin
this town
isolation
ambrosia
temporary lockdown + scrollshift / all of the above

>>95992127
>I accept your concession
My concession was literally my opener.

>>95992073
mono white
roots
bw pixie
rw convoke
oculus
gb midrange

Rate my post-ban deck :^)

>>95991580
>I personally would love for this to happen.
It already happened anon, Lurrus was banned in vintage before the companion rule change.

>>95992099
Enemy colour decks are going to be set with the fastlands sticking around. Most of the EoE shocklands are enemy pairs as well.
Meanwhile some colour pairs will be fucked.

>>95992151
what happens if no Leyline in opener?
might as well just play the old deck with a 5cc reanimation effect

As usual, the best art has no human characters in sight.

>>95992200
You know it can curve into itself right
Its 4 mana to cast it, 5 to use it

Chocobo tribal remains unplayable? Even with the strong synergies?

>>95992107
there isn't a specific combo, it's the usual play a ton of artifact mana, use PO to bounce them back and play them again while generating card advantage, eventually you hit a critical mass of cards and mana that your opponent can't compete with

the closest thing the deck has to a "big finish" is pic related, which often gets cast for X=1 or X=2 to break board stalls and take the monarch, you're rarely in a position where you need to rely on it to finish the game because lurrus already gives you so much value between mishra's bauble and thundertrap trainer

>>95992116
this interaction is correct but if you're casting PO with more than 3 targets it usually doesn't matter, you're going to win anyway

I just noticed that all comments on Gatherer are disabled AND deleted
What the fuck? Did they ever talk about why?

>>95992233
well they had to disable them at some point or have someone spam N I G G 3 R into every card
they weren't going to pay someone to moderate comments on fucking gatherer

that was like 15 years ago

>>95992255
Honestly if someone played Oko, Lurrus or Cutter against me i would spam it too.

>>95992233
They stopped allowing comments over a decade ago.
Recently, they did a Gatherer update and just deleted all the history of the site.
The corporate ruination of all things awesome marches on.

>>95992264
they just took precautionary measures because they know what kind of horrors beyond our wildest imaginations they are printing

>>95992226
if you want to meme around on Alchemy you can play it there Vs a bunch of shitters (should build it mono green though)

Robots will become the new Mice.

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/787882322917801984/maros-edge-of-eternities-teaser
Things:
• repeatable activated ability that lets you draw two cards and create a 2/2 creature token
• white card that can return noncreature, nonland cards from the graveyard to the battlefield
• another “Arch” charm
• card that makes you choose odd or even
• new artifact token called Munitions
• variant on devour
• card that lets you take control of an opponent
• legendary five-color artifact
• poison card
• card that grants an ability to Slivers

Rules text:
• “Whenever you play a land or cast a spell, draw a card.”
• “If it’s not a creature, it becomes a 0/0 Robot artifact creature.”
• “You may play lands from your graveyard.”
• “you may instead create that many copies of enchanted permanent.”
• “Artifact cards and red cards in your hand have”
• “put target creature from defending player’s graveyard onto the battlefield under your control tapped and attacking.”
• “The first spell each player casts during each of their turns may be cast without paying its mana cost.”
• “X is the number of differently named lands you control.”
• “Artifacts you control are Foods in addition to their other types”
• “Spells you cast have affinity for artifacts.”

Typelines:
• Creature – Jellyfish Scientist
• Creature – Insect Artificer
• Creature – Plant Scorpion
• Creature – Drix Assassin
• Creature – Elemental Lhurgoyf
• Creature – Mite
• Artifact Creature – Robot Pangolin
• Legendary Creature – Kavu Pilot
• Legendary Creature – Lobster Citizen
• Creature – Eldrazi

Names:
• Close Encounter
• Command Bridge
• Decode Transmissions
• Emergency Eject
• Invasive Maneuvers
• Lost in Space
• Nebula Dragon
• Space-Time Anomaly
• Systems Override
• Tractor Beam

>>95992301

Dartwire Zero {R}
Creature - Robot (U)
Robotic - The first time each turn Dartwire Zero becomes the target of a spell or ability you control, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
When Dartwire Zero dies, create a number of 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature tokens with flying equal to the number of +1/+1 counters on it. If its a combat step on your turn, those tokens enter the battlefield tapped and attacking.
1/1

>>95992386
>• “Spells you cast have affinity for artifacts.”
"Spells you cast have dredge' (it's unplayable) energy.

>>95992386
Pretty sure the "becomes a Robot" thing is already known on Tezzeret, unless that's somewhere else too.

>>95992386
>• white card that can return noncreature, nonland cards from the graveyard to the battlefield
>Abuelo Again
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>95992386
>• white card that can return noncreature, nonland cards from the graveyard to the battlefield
uh maro guess you didn't get the memo

>>95992386
>Names:
>• Close Encounter
>• Command Bridge
>• Decode Transmissions
>• Emergency Eject
>• Invasive Maneuvers
>• Lost in Space
>• Nebula Dragon
>• Space-Time Anomaly
>• Systems Override
>• Tractor Beam
Welp. The anon who just said everything would be lazy tropes was right...

>>95992386
>Munitions
Oh boi!!!! Another token!!!
Come on anons, try to guess what this makes
and soz for you paper fags

>>95992386
>card that lets you take control of an opponent
Eldrazi bros raiseeeeee!!!

>>95992403
The names revealed are usually always the more on-the-nose ones to get an idea of the theming. And names are names. Were Bump in the Night, Cellar Door, Creepy Doll, Dead Weight, Evil Twin, Murder of Crows, Nevermore, Night Terrors and Wooden Stake too much in OG Innistrad?

Did these niggers seriously ban every single center piece of every competitive deck just to make sure that the FF tourist timmies got to play with their UBslop? Fuck Wizards and fuck /tg/ for celebrating this.
Heartfire and Rage? Yeah, obviously.
Cori-Steel Cutter? Alright, makes sense.
Up The Beanstalk? I could see a case.
Abuelos Awakening? Really? Muh Omniscient meme combo is too scary? This town ain't big enough? Hopeless Nightmare.
Get the fuck outta here.

>>95992438
*yawn*
pro tour tops, if you're so good?

>>95992442
I didn't say anything about being good or bad, faggot. Wizards is blatantly scorching the earth to cater to the UBsloppers and you retards are celebrating their open kike scheme. Not only did they force FF into Standard where it doesn't belong, but now they're banning cards until it's forced to see play.

>>95992462
They were banning cards after everybody ever fucking hated them. If Vivi turns out to be a similar problem, they'll ban Vivi too.

>>95992438
>Did these niggers seriously ban every single center piece of every competitive deck j
No. They left the control decks untouched :^)

>>95992462
you coldn't recognize a bad play patttern if it bit you in the ass

>>95992465
Were you retards seriously crying about Omniscience Combo and Fear of Isolation decks here? Fucking grim.
Well, you got what you wanted. Enjoy le ebin Sephiroth.

>>95992475
>I-i-i-it's bad play patterns, it's totally not us shilling UBslop
Ok, Mark

>>95992483
Don't try to discuss with mindless drones, they are just that stupid.

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Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>95992513
I'm not brazilian

>>95992529
Neither is anyone in all of those tournaments that are listed.

>>95992415
She's back?

Anyway, EOE story. Side-story came out today, too, but I'll do that after. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/edge-of-eternities-episode-7
>We're back with Haliya. Yay.
>Her and Vondam are on a ship, headed towards the settlement where Sami and them are at, funny how that works
>Haliya's worried about how Vondam seems so single-minded about tracking down and killing Alph, but can't bring herself to truly bring it up
>They left in secret, didn't even tell Slats, but Vondam and the crew of the ship he's on all have faith in what they're doing, etc.
>Vondam abruptly says he's going to explain to Haliya what's going on, then says he's going to introduce her to the anathalmanac, which was the Deus Vult-y shit from way back in episode 1, describing what we now can determine to be the artifact that's causing causal bullshit and warning against it
>Haliya realises Vondam thinks he's been affected by this, but she finds it a bit hard to believe because Alph had no such object, he says that he WILL, it's been manipulating things to ensure he gets to it
>He explains the artifact does have limits, it can only influence the pasts of those connected to its wielder, and Vondam noticed so many improbabilities around Alph that it tipped him off
>Haliya tries to argue the future hasn't happened yet so how can that be, but Vondam says it basically makes possibilities into certainties. All of these things COULD have happened to and around Alph on their own, so they DID happen
>Haliya goes "Well what can we do then", Vondam says they can kill him, Haliya asks that won't the artifact ensure he survives, he says probably, and it's likely they originally came with a much greater force, but got trimmed down to just the one ship

>>95992513
>Please pay, I mean, play, my Nepo baby brown formaaat!!!
No, I don't think it will pay 1k+ for a meme deck for a meme format :)

>>95992575
>He reminds her of one of the listed responses to the artifact (immediate destruction of it, yourself and everything in the vicinity) because if Alph gets that artifact into a black hole, it'll functionally have access to every past that ended in a black hole, which is all of them
>She asks what they can do, he says his decisions can't be trusted, because of Alph wounding him, he's more vulnerable to the artifact than she is, so she has to be one to make the choices
>He then asks her if she would, if ordered, kill him, the settlement, and everything around to ensure Alph's destruction deterministically such that the artifact could not save him
>She says she can't, it's simply not right, due to the collateral damage
>He argues back that these doctrines are written in blood, you HAVE to follow them to have any chance, and she bluntly refuses, she doesn't want to be party to killing innocents
>She instead suggests she go down there, Vondam conducts the search from up here, and she uses a different one of the analthalmanac's suggestions
>She internally notes that if that doesn't work, she has her own plan, but refuses to tell him
>Vondam can only cry at that, because it's not the right thing, to him, to send his squire out in his place, and he relents after some emotional arguments
>Cut to Alph, dreaming of falling, with the narrator-artifact telling him that the thing he's dreaming of, where he and his sister diverged, is important, and also asks if we're not offended that it prefers him to us
>Alph almost regains his faith seeing the things the artifact shows him, the inevitability of it all
>Except the artifact shows it's NOT certain, because he sees even more of the cosmos, he sees the colours of magic, sees those without colour, things older than man and things older than those
>The artifact teases it might be one of those things

>>95992623
>pay
Wait, you don't have these cards already?

>>95991581
Dies to removal

>>95992438
Omni is the only non red t1 deck in the format and self bounce would run over the format harder than mice did if they didn't bad touch it
Kill yourself and save us all the oxygen

>>95992649
>You aren't a mentally ill paypiggy like me?
>You haven't been obsessively hoarding 20 year old children cards for no reason?
>Tsk... BAAAAKAAAAAAA!!!!
>Pay my format tho!!! PWEAE PWEASE PWEEEEASE!!!!
Yup! Cord struck on the Nepo baby.

>>95992009
>>95992099
>>95992166
To put it more bluntly, with the release of EOE: Orzhov, Simic and Boros will have
>Fastlands
>Vergelands
>Shocklands
So whatever aggressive pile you're able to come up in these pairs will have a considerably better manabase than anything else.
Gruul and Dimir are getting Shocks but they're losing Fastlands, so it's a bit of give and take.

>>95992667
>pay
Again with the word.

>>95992623
Why not just proxy the expensive cards?
Or use gold-bordered versions?
Both are allowed, even in tournaments.

>>95992037
Self bounce lets you cast this ten times a game and not let the opponent play. Was pushed out of the meta by CSC so since they were killing monored, izzet, omni and domain they hit this one preemptively. Smartest move in the whole ban announcement honestly.

>>95992386
>affinity for artifacts
>storm scale 8
why
just why

>>95992680
Commander needed some support.

>>95992674
It's pretty funny that JotC shills who literally pay for constant slop like Aetherdrift, Final Fantasy, etc. expansions complain about spending money on cards from back when this game was actually something unique and, dare I say it, good.
>>95992667
I understand, dude. You need to save up for when that One Piece or Naruto expansion comes out. It's fine, premodern isn't for (You).

>>95992675
Gold-bordered cards and proxies are not allowed in tournaments.

>>95992631
>It then explains to Alph that he was meant to wield it because his sibling was taken and eaten, and he as a result is 'close' to inevitability and divinity, the artifact says it too is close to divinity in a way
>Alph wakes up, strapped down to the bed, though able to easily free himself
>He at first notices the hole in his hand, and tries to remember what the fuck happened, and then a voice in his head saying hello pops up, startling him, but nothing else happens
>He looks out the porthole of the room he's in and sees the Sunstar arriving and basically shits himself
>He calls out for Sami, but all he finds is a note saying they've gone to get fuel, he's locked up so he doesn't steal the ship, and they have a lot of questions for him
>And then in a moment of panic, he looks through the hole in his hand and realises it lets him see through the hatch locking him in, with different layers depending on the angle he looks at
>And trying to make sense of it, he pokes his left finger through the hole, and it comes out in the corridor outside, and fumbles around until he opens the door from the other side
>There's another note on the wall outside of the door, saying "If you did escape, please wait around, I DO want to talk to you"
>He heads to the cargo bay, to the stasis cask containing the artifact, because he knows it makes trouble go away
>And we jump forward a Revision as we go back to Sami, so SOMETHING happened
>Sami's wondering how the hell they haven't been found yet, but the Kav of the settlement are raising all kinds of hell in response to the Sunstar's arrival
>Sami notices the Sunstar troops are acting methodical, too methodical, as if they don't trust their own senses
>So Sami decides to do something stupid and runs out in front of some and for all they can tell, the Sunstar are just directly ignoring them, but not the Kav
>Fighting's breaking out between them while Sami theorises it's the rock's doing that means they're not being seen

>>95992405
1, tap, sac:
exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card. you may play that card this turn. put the rest on the bottom of library at random

how do you pronounce their names?

>>95992746
R'ddt

>>95992702
>Sami says they should get out before things get bad, Tan says, rather oddly, that things WERE bad, this is the better version, implying he has some awareness of the Revision changes
>Tan argues this may be the 'best version' of their escape, but Sami realises it's not, because the best version was one where there was nobody on the planet to stop them, just like there was nobody in Sigma's Reach, so why wasn't that the case here?
>Sami's starting to piece together that the artifact may be what caused everybody on Sigma's Reach to vanish, because there USED to be before they went there
>Tan goes "Maybe we should just hand that thing over to the Sunstar and leave", but Sami says the Metalman's the only one who'll fix their ship, and they need their ship fixed to find Mirri
>Back to Haliya, preparing, alone, she has to be alone because the more variables present, the more the artifact can mess with her
>Effectively her plan is to find the areas Vondam's search DOESN'T cover and go to there, assuming that'd be where the artifact is, find the ship with Alph on board and render it unflyable
>She follows the anathalmanac's instructions, simultaneously using both her own and Vondam's age to get the deterministic number to make the choice, seemingly openly using Vondam's and secretly using her own, or vice-versa, I'm not sure
>The instructions basically do their utmost to try and fix the person in causality, by making it so that if the artifact DOES fuck with them, it makes it glaringly obvious, or causes so much issues it can't
>Eventually, she finds the Seriema
>She trips on a piece of metal, which is probably nothing, then goes and plants some explosives on the Seriema before heading in
>Back to Alph, trying to get the artifact to do what it can't, trying to get it to bring Sami back and to get them all off this planet
>And then the cargo bay's door opens, and in walks Haliya

>>95992746
>how do you pronounce their names?
Vnwxt.
Fblthp.
Zndrsplt.

>>95992746
As it's spelled, obviously.

>>95992746
Vnwxt is just called 'Vin', so probably Vinwixit, Fibblethip and Zindersplat.

>>95992746
Common consensus is just to put Is wherever it makes the most sense
>Vinwixit
>Fiblthip
>Zindirsplit

>>95992438
>UB schizo is also a nogames retard
I'm shocked

>>95992037
Before Cutter took over, it was esper bounce, orzhov bounce, and dimir bounce. Moreover that card does too much for too little mana. The bounce decks pretty much dominate when other decks can't go as fast in the first turn. No hand and half your life total gone very quickly. Hopeless Nightmare is the card that enables this. Against control in particular, unless they get lucky and run the pierces and minor misstep main, they lose game 1 thanks to having no hand before they can even do anything while.

4c domain slop only stayed in the format because of beans.

Pixie only went down to zero play because mice was too fast and cutter was both too fast and able to keep its hand full. Before that it was 20% of the format being some kind of hopeless nightmare bounce. With cutter/mice out of the way, Pixie would just take over the format and it would be just as bad.

>>95992746
homos

>>95992746
>Vin-wikst
>Fi-ble-thip
>Zen-der-split

>>95992751
>He tries to use the artifact to make her go away, it does literally nothing, she seems kinda dumbfounded and then just shoots at him
>He crumples immediately as she shoots him a couple more times, then approaches him
>She says she's SUPPOSED to kill him, herself and everything around them, but she won't
>Instead she shoves a bomb in his mouth, which will blow up if she doesn't give it a passcode every ten seconds
>She doesn't know how the artifact could get rid of it as it is now definitively in his mouth
>And then she instructs him to use the artifact
>She wants him to change things so that instead of Vondam, she was the one he 'killed'. She can survive or die or whatever, but Vondam needs to be unharmed, because she trusts his judgment better and if he's unimpaired, maybe he can figure out what to actually do
>Alph only wishes that Sami would show up to shoot her in the back
>Cut to Haliya, thinking somebody is about to show up and shoot her in the back because her sensors are showing approaching bodies
>Things are going to hell outside with the Sunstar and the Kav fighting, one of the ships accidentally blows up half the Kav airport, etc.
>She tries to push Alph to do the thing, then Vondam contacts her, asks if she's found him, she says she has, but nothing's happening, and then tries to explain her plan to Vondam
>More chatter of things going to shit, then Vondam responds, saying he wouldn't even know what he did if he let her do this
>Vondam says to simply kill Alph and retrieve the artifact, but she protests she can fix it
>She eventually says that if this has all failed, they have to move to protocol seven: Indiscriminate extermination
>There's no response from Vondam, she tries to push the issue, saying he can find another squire, this is a good death for her
>He just orders her to evacuate, to get out, but he calls her by name, not 'Squire', which makes her a bit confused, but then he warns her of something behind her

>>95992057
There are at least five cards that do, and only the most flexible one got banned.

>>95992438
> every competitive deck
The only decks hurt were Mice (30% of the format before ban), Izzet Cutter (35% of the format), Pixie (a deck that makes all but one control deck not viable--only not played because the two aggro decks mentioned above are too strong for it), 4c domain slop which exploited beans to keep its hand full while exploiting any sort of cost reduction, and the current omniscience combo which will be replaced by a different reanimator deck until the format rotates.

It really only hurts about 4-6 decks in the meta which were cancerous in the first place.

Dimir Midrange (Cecil Summer baby), Monoblack Midrange, most non-green control, Rakdos Lizards, Bats (unfortunately not affected by bans), Orzhov lifegain combo (should've gotten that vampire banned too), and a variety of other decks are not affected.

>>95992818
>Hey it's Sami and Tan, the gang's all together
>Haliya immediately shoots and, seemingly, kills both of them
>And before she can deal with Alph, he's stabbed her with a muscle relaxant that was given to him earlier, that SOMEHOW goes through all her armor
>And as she falls over, the only thing she sees is the artifact, glowing pink

I sure do love standard being a stock up format now

How would you build Yuna to win the game on your end step when you reanimate omniscience
does it have be all instant/flash spells?

>>95992438
You're bad and stupid and not even playing magic. Fuck off already.

>>95992844
Saying standard is a stock up format is like saying standard is a nonbasic land format
Its the single least oppressive card seeing wide play in the format. Holy shit an opponent STOCKED UP they activated the magic card stock up, which allows them to draw two new cards from their deck, greed is good

Everything you do WITH stock up is broken
Stock up will never be a broken card

>>95992691
In premodern tournaments they are.

>>95992483
>were you retards crying about the uninteractive counter-check t1 deck that wins on turn 4 by playing solitaire and pushed anything non-aggro out of the meta
Are you retarded?

>>95992872
Non south americans are generally more averse to using fakes.

>>95992746
You want an ACTUAL answer?
It's probably similar to Georgian pronunciations.

>>95992680
Wait until you hear about storm and delve

>>95992623
>1k+
Most decks are affordable, cheaper than standard decks. Just don't fall for the guys who netdeck with 4 mox diamonds or one of the few Legacy adjacent combo decks like Stiflenought. There are some tournament viable decks that are less than $100. New reprints are legal. And also gold-bordered cards are considered legal in many cases especially since JotC is not in charge of any tournaments.

Some examples of less than $300 decks
>red burn
>goblins
>some madness decks
>Blue Stasis
>Pit Rack
>Many UW Landstill decks
>BW control (under $100)
>Dead Guy Ale (UW midrange--Barely over $100)
>The Rock
>Ponza (some variations of the deck are barely more than $100)
>Monoblack Clerics
>Machine Head (RB Midrange)
>Zombies
>Astral Slide
>White Weenie
>Tron.
>Zoo
>Psychatog (most variants are under $200)
>The Solution

>>95992844
>Rediscover the Way
>Rakshasa's Bargain
>Memories Returning
Not nearly as good but more fun

>>95992847
Instant extra turns :)

Anyway, onto the side-story. It's about bugs. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/edge-of-eternities-kadrik-and-the-pod
>Narrator opens up lamenting that the first thing to go wrong in life was their hatching, namely that they hatched too late to witness the planet they were born on made livable
>They also accidentally gnawed part of their left hind leg off while eating their egg's shell, so they have a fancy fungus foot replacement now
>Narrator came out during the SECOND wave of Eumidians, meant to assist in the terrasymbiosis process, but narrator found it boring as shit
>Narrator MIGHT also just have ADHD or an equivalent thereof, based on the fact they find it hard to pay attention to things they're uninterested in
>As a result of that, they got stationed in the swampy sludge part of the planet because they sucked at their job
>Currently their job is to find some unhatched seed pods from the first wave, ones that landed in places that still aren't permissible for life
>The pods aren't gonna hatch but they're still full of valuable biomatter they can use
>Narrator also notes that if they mess this job up they're gonna get volunteered for recycling, which is to say, turned into mulch
>They also have a problem, namely, one of the native lifeforms keeps showing up to eat the pods every time the narrator finds one
>They've only found ten pods, and they need to find at least eleven before their time's up (which is tomorrow)
>They make the decision to just say fuck it and desert, speeding off into the sludgy tundra
>Few days later, narrator is severely regretting this, because that same native life is chasing them, and they have no food
>Eventually, however, they stumble across a stasis pod (not a seed pod)
>It's a Kav-made one, and the narrator hates the Kav for reasons
>Narrator investigates the pod, finds not a Kav inside, but a human

>>95992680
>>95992883
I don't understand the storm scale. Is it a rating of how much the average player understands an ability? Is it power? Because I just looked and -0/-1 counters are a 10 so who tf knows.

>put box of chaff on ebay for 20 dollars + shipping
>pic rel description
>sells within 5 minutes
Is it really this easy?

>>95992926
You can wipe the front of the cards with Acetone and then print proxies on them.

>>95992926
>spend an hour gathering it, sorting it, boxing it, and shipping it
not worth

>>95992920
>they hatched too late to witness the planet they were born on made livable
he's literally me

>>95992945
>spend an hour
It took me maybe 10 minutes while I hung out with my cat. I'm not acting as if I'm getting rich I'm just amused people buy it so quickly.

>>95992920
>Narrator's first thoughts are to eat the still-living human in stasis, before asking if that's healthy, before going "wait, is that ethical"
>Narrator then thinks maybe they could return with the pod and hopefully the distraction of the human would make everybody forget the narrator's terrible at anything and deserving of recycling
>So they do that, going back to the enclave, and because they're lonely as hell, talking to the stasis'd human, telling them about all sorts of things, mostly about what horrible creatures they've encountered, but also about their only friend back at the enclave, Zoritt
>Eventually narrator gets depressed about how they're not useful for anything, but finds some solidarity with the human, because maybe they're a screw-up too, otherwise how would they end up here, in this situation
>They're three days from the enclave before things go bad, and oh hey it's Gobbler, the big life form that was chasing them
>It's pic-related, I dunno what to call it
>Gobbler's going right for the pod, trying to smash it open, and the narrator goes "Well, sucks to suck" and peaces out
>Buuut they go "oh wait that's my ticket out and also I'm bored as hell and also I'm just curious" and turn back around, and use some sort of energy staff to blast at Gobbler
>It mostly just pisses her off and she charges at the narrator, who goes "oh I didn't think this through"
>In a desperate gambit, they toss their energy pack right into her open mouth, she bites down, it explodes, stunning her and deleting the narrator's left hind foot (again, it's fine, it's growing back already)
>Seeing Gobbler is only stunned, narrator grabs the pod, hitches it back to their vehicle and gets the fuck out of there
>They reach the enclave and Zoritt's there, immediately smacking them and going "Where the fuck were you"
>Narrator says they weren't gonna get recycled, Zoritt says that was just a joke, and the narrator just stares at Zoritt
>Narrator goes "That was a bad joke"

>>95992847
There's a faerie I think that gives all spells flash. Or maybe it was just faerie spells. But yes, there is a delay for omniscience with Yuna. However for the next month it would be best to use Campus Renovation or other such spells still in the format instead of Yuna since it allows you to use omniscience immediately.

>>95992920
>Narrator's first thoughts are to eat the still-living human in stasis, before asking if that's healthy, before going "wait, is that ethical"
>Narrator then thinks maybe they could return with the pod and hopefully the distraction of the human would make everybody forget the narrator's terrible at anything and deserving of recycling
>So they do that, going back to the enclave, and because they're lonely as hell, talking to the stasis'd human, telling them about all sorts of things, mostly about what horrible creatures they've encountered, but also about their only friend back at the enclave, Zoritt
>Eventually narrator gets depressed about how they're not useful for anything, but finds some solidarity with the human, because maybe they're a screw-up too, otherwise how would they end up here, in this situation
>They're three days from the enclave before things go bad, and oh hey it's Gobbler, the big life form that was chasing them
>It's pic-related, I dunno what to call it
>Gobbler's going right for the pod, trying to smash it open, and the narrator goes "Well, sucks to suck" and peaces out
>Buuut they go "oh wait that's my ticket out and also I'm bored as hell and also I'm just curious" and turn back around, and use some sort of energy staff to blast at Gobbler
>It mostly just pisses her off and she charges at the narrator, who goes "oh I didn't think this through"
>In a desperate gambit, they toss their energy pack right into her open mouth, she bites down, it explodes, stunning her and deleting the narrator's left hind foot (again, it's fine, it's growing back already)
>Seeing Gobbler is only stunned, narrator grabs the pod, hitches it back to their vehicle and gets the fuck out of there
>They reach the enclave and Zoritt's there, immediately smacking them and going "Where the fuck were you"
>Narrator says they weren't gonna get recycled, Zoritt says that was just a joke, and the narrator just stares at Zoritt
>Narrator goes "That was a bad joke"

>>95992961
I seriously doubt that you had your cards shipped within ten minutes of starting.

>>95992906
>>95992989
I think I figured it out
Almost everything is instant speed
You can ramp and draw/discard/bin an omni, and end of turn with Yuna you cycle through your deck until you have arcavios + valley floodcaller and bounce spells to protect him, then you can loop arcavios + jeskai revelation. All on your end step

>>95992820
>Mice (30% of the format before ban)
It was actually 10 percent, but go on
>Izzet Cutter (35% of the format)
It was around 45 percent of the meta, but please continue
>Pixie (a deck that makes all but one control deck not viable)
Control was never an option in 2024/5. you don't have a two mana conditional counterspell. Pixie was, ironically, the closest thing the format had to a real control deck since discard is the only real control option in the meta.
>4c domain slop which exploited beans to keep its hand full while exploiting any sort of cost reduction
Totally explains why it was less than 5 percent of the meta going into FF Pro Tour.
>current omniscience combo which will be replaced by a different reanimator deck until the format rotates.
Oh no, he's retarded.
https://scryfall.com/card/bro/24/repair-and-recharge
>(Cecil Summer baby)
Oh look, just one of the many paid shills Hasbro pays to come on here and talk about how banning every deck lets you play FF cards now, cool

>>95993021
>print prepaid
>tape on box
>drop off at post office
?

>>95992844
YOU VILL PLAY FF STOCK UP AND YOU VILL BE HAPPY
>t. Hasbro

>>95992991
>Zoritt asks if the narrator (who's now named as Kadrik) seriously believed they were gonna get killed, before Zoritt finally notices the pod
>A first-gen vanguard shows up to help take the pod in to the med lab, and extract the human
>Kadrik grabs something the human's holding, a cylinder, before anybody notices and the others take the human away to save them
>Later, Zoritt approaches Kadrik, asking if they wanna meet the human, and Kadrik immediately is there
>Human introduces himself as Noz, Kadrik asks who he is, Noz explains he's from Pinnacle's programming division
>Kadrik immediately shudders, they don't like Pinnacle that much either
>Basically they were on a team-building exercise when the Kav took them captive, thinking that they were spies for Pinnacle, planning to stop the Kav's attempts to take over this planet (which the Kav have since stopped on their own)
>That was three years ago
>Nozexplains he only managed to barely escape with his life, and that the Kav are more likely just biding their time
>Noz says he should contact Pinnacle and get going, he has a family to see, but Kadrik does kinda want him to stay, just to have a human friend
>One of the other Eumidians leads Noz to a spare ship he can use, and along the way, Noz asks Kadrik what happened to his pencil
>Kadrik goes "Oh, your snack, I ate it"
>Noz goes "...That was for writing", which Kadrik is baffled by, then explains that he likes to draw
>Kadrik confides they're not fond of being a vanguard to Noz, who simply says "Well, then don't be one"
>Kadrik says it's not simple, they have to pick a function that's critical, Noz goes "I know your people have artists", Kadrik says not in the first three generations, Noz says "Well, be the first one then"
>Kadrik asks if all humans are like Noz, Noz asks if all eumidians are like Kadrik
>They part, Noz says if Kadrik ever gets out to meet up one day, they agree, and Kadrik starts idly drawing in the dirt

>>95993034
>10% of the format
Meta is not just one championship anon...

>>95993036
You live next door to a post office?

>>95993085
Yeah.
But I also work at one

>>95993082
Why not just post the picture the day after the pro tour FF win where mono red was over 50 percent of the games played, that day?

If you are going to manipulate metagame data to try and sell FF Collector Boxes for 1400 dollars, you should go really whole hog, Mark.

>>95992924
It's a rating of how unlikely they are to revisit a mechanic. 1 are evergreen mechanics, 10 is "if the heavens align". Storm itself is not even a 10 anymore I think, as they brought it back in a heavily constrained form through Stormscale Scion (and Ral, Crackling Wit before that). Mechanics high on the scale aren't necessarily overpowered or confusing (though they can be), they can must be tedious or have bad play patterns or just be outdated (like shroud vs hexproof).

>>95993034
>It was actually 10 percent, but go on
>It was around 45 percent of the meta, but please continue
Pic related. Your pic was several weeks out of date by the time of the ban.
>Control was never an option in 2024/5
There was control in the format before Tarkir. But then again, you probably didn't pay attention and don't even play.
>you don't have a two mana conditional counterspell
There are several. AS someone who actually played control, I'm going to call you on your bullshit.
>change the equation (2 mana cost spells or less, or, up to 6 mana cost for R/G)
>phantom interference
>Assimilate Essence (v. creatures/battle)
>essence scatter
>negate
>Bring the Ending (poison decks; unconditional if 3 poisons on opponent)
>Dazzling Denial (bird decks increased pay in condition cost to 4)
>Dispelling Exhale (beholding dragon increased pay-in condition to 4)
>Flashfreeze (R/G only)
>Long River's Pull (creatures, but gift a draw let you counter anything)
>Reasonable Doubt (suspect creature)
>Spell Stutter (cost went up for each faerie)
But okay. You're retarded.
>>current omniscience combo which will be replaced by a different reanimator deck until the format rotates.
>https://scryfall.com/card/bro/24/repair-and-recharge
Is one such card that will abuelo. Which is why
>replaced by a different reanimator deck
is true. But as a retarded oaf who has proving both his ignorance of the format prior to Tarkir and exhibiting his coarse mind, you certainly would not understand the nuance of a general statement
>replaced by a different reanimator deck until the format rotates.
>Oh look, just one of the many paid shills Hasbro pays to come on here
I'm not payed by Hasbro.
>talk about how banning every deck lets you play FF cards now, cool
Only the 5-6 most format breaking variations of those decks were banned. You can still run most of those decks except cutter and mice even with the bans. They just won't be as strong as before. Vivi was being ran in Cutter BTW.

>>95993026
Getting into mega jank territory but there's a dragon that lets you play dragons at instant speed, for the Marangs. Though I think it's more expensive than Yuna so idk

>>95993129
I'm forever peeved that banding is put into the shit pile when it's actually very intuitive and fun but players are too retarded to get what it means.

>>95993132
>AS someone who actually played control
post tournament results, you won't
>I'm not payed by Hasbro.
why are you lying so much on the internet today, anon?

>>95993132
STANDARD IS SAVED!
>(If you like playing a single game for 40 minutes with the only viable decks being Golgari midrange and Dimir midrange.)

>>95993129
Storm is still a 10. 10 has had some clarifications that it won't be brought back AS A MAJOR MECHANIC. Stormscale Scion and Ral are cameo uses, both intentionally tweaked to not be that strong.

>>95993166
INSECT BROS IS TIME TO COOK

>>95993226
>Nosewater changes what the storm scale means so he can violate it
Truly

>>95993224
Oh noooooo! My dopamine fast game will now make take some decisions and will last past turn 3!!!!
Magic is DEAD!!! Standard is RUINED!!! My fun is in SHAMBLES!!!!
Seriously Mountain enjoyers should be purged.

>>95993224
>STANDARD IS SAVED!
It is anon unless you're a brainlet red player

>>95993224
Maybe you should consider switching to Yugioh.

>>95993254
Nah red brains wouldn't survive in YGO because even there, the cards aren't so braindead that they trade up against removal.

>>95993267
>Posting a meme card like it was a real thing people played

>>95993237
>>95993248
>>95993254
believe it or not, all the same poster, and its Mark trying to justify banning the entire fucking metagame to sell more FF cards

all me

>>95993248
>Cori-Steel Cutter was a card that should have been emergency banned because it was warping the game
However, instead of just banning the problem card, let's ban every single deck in the metagame because that makes sense
Remember to buy your 4x of Cecil that was unplayable last week!

>>95993274
>T. Peabrain Mountain player
LMAOOOOOOOOOO

>>95993295
>>95993299
>These HASBRO guys know all the tricks

>>95993298
So you're saying 3 turn wins (mice) and 4 turn wins (omniscience) and an archetype that shuts down everything that takes more than 5 turns to win (pixie) wasn't a problem?

Green deserves a 1 mana 3/3 no downsides.

>>95993274
damn, you got me

>>95993306
Watching /tg/ cheer for UBslop pushed by banning every single deck that could keep Final Fantasy cards from being played.
>lol, lmao even

>>95993339
>Shill team six has more than a single IP
fuck, you got me Mark, I kneel

>>95992438
Holy FUCK
MaRo I fucking kneel and genuflect. You actually did it you censorious heeb, you SAVED standard.

>>95993333
I never lost to Mice on turn 3, or 4, or 5, in over a dozen Store Championships and several RCQs.
Git Gud or maybe stop talking about a card game you don't actually play...

>>95992920
>>95992991
>>95993052
You forgot the xe/xir neonpronouns faggot-kun.

>>95993273
People did play it in Labyrinth.
Here's some more cards that, shockingly, do not trade down against the things they remove.
>Gameciel, the Sea Turtle Kaiju
>Super Polymerization
>Forbidden Droplet
>Lightning Storm
>Triple Tactics Thrust
>Triple Tactics Talent
>Lava Golem
>The Winged Dragon of Ra - Sphere Mode
>Dark Ruler No More
>Evenly Matched

>>95993387
Respect summary anon, pathetic faggot, unlike scum like you at least he makes something to discuss Magic fucking trash.

I played 1 match against Kaito.dek and I miss mono red already, holy shit fuck this card

>>95993339
This entire thread? Just one poster. Me.

>>95993427
I'm only still here to see Summary anon try to explain the backstory on the digital Spidder-Maan cards

>>95993436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmHv7ykQ9A

Felliw Markbros, now that we have finakly defeated our perfidious enemy in red aggro, how will we ruin the standard meta now that we rule unopposed? No white cards allowed btw.

>>95993441
Universes Beyond sets don't have stories associated with them beyond what already exists for the properties. And as far as comics go, I'm only sort of a Spider-Man fan (Fantastic Four is more my thing when it comes to Marvel), so I couldn't give much beyond the most basic shit for it and it'd be in service of nothing anyway.

I don't remember there being this much seething at standard bans before, what happened?

>>95993449
>No white cards allowed
One of the only good choices they've made

>>95993449
Print White Plume Adventurer in Standard (it's not a white card)

>>95993469
The IQ of the average magic player dropped by 10 points

>>95993387
The alien bug people have different pronouns, yep. I don't think that's that weird. I find neopronouns awkward from the standpoint of basic language, mostly, but this is a case where it's like "yeah no that 'functions'.

>>95993449
>Whiteschizoid faggot is also a Red summer retard defender
Man... This is sad.

>>95993467
>he doesn't know that that digital only Spider-Man cards will actually NOT be a Universes Beyond set, but will be an in-universe set.
nobody tell him

>>95993469
They banned every single competitive deck because Pro Tour Final Fantasy had no Final Fantasy cards.

11/480 in the Top8 main decks were Final Fantasy cards.

2% of the cards in the Final Fantasy Pro Tour were from the Final Fantasy set.

so

Ban Cutter

Ban Mice

Ban RDW

Ban Bounce

Ban Omni

Ban Domain

>>95993503
Yeah, that still won't have lore. It'll be core-set style or some such.

>>95992151
Just play azorious control.

>>95991542 (OP)
Finally White is a tier one color.

>people claiming for bans every single day, worried we might only get one or two cards
>we get 7 cards banned
>some people want to spin as this being bad actually
insane

>>95993610
Nah, is just your classic schizoid.

>>95993481
anon I didn't sperg about jews five times in that post, that should've clued you in

>>95993610
>Wizards: We want people to be able to play with their cards longer so three-year rotation
>Bans multiple cards released less than a year ago for balance reasons
Everyone in this thread cheering bans plays the digital version because it sucks to have your Tier 1 paper deck banned, and literally EVERYONE just had their Tier 1 deck banned.

>>95992386
>• repeatable activated ability that lets you draw two cards and create a 2/2 creature token
>• Creature – Insect Artificer
Saw this in the leak, it's just a draft 2-mana 2/2 with an 8-mana activated ability. They also leaked pic related as a strictly-better Kazandu Nectarpot (2 attack).
>• white card that can return noncreature, nonland cards from the graveyard to the battlefield
Saw [at least one of them] in the leak, it's a 6-mana white spacecraft that can reanimate an enchantment.
>• another “Arch” charm
That could be cool. Kinda hope it's white or red though, monoblack would probably be the top deck if it's "Archwarlock" or something like that.
>• new artifact token called Munitions
So they're doing 2 new named tokens this set? (The other are lander tokens)
>• variant on devour
That could be cool, though the art suggests to me it'll probably be land devour.
>• card that lets you take control of an opponent
Oh wow, my favorite mechanic in 1v1...
>• poison card
Also in the leaks. It's like Fynn, but it's a 3-mana artifact creature that grants the bonus to nontoken artifact creatures.
>• card that grants an ability to Slivers
...Okay.
>• “Whenever you play a land or cast a spell, draw a card.”
This better be 5+ mana.
>• “If it’s not a creature, it becomes a 0/0 Robot artifact creature.”
They already showed off colorless Tezzeret.
>• “You may play lands from your graveyard.”
Is this a new one or is this just the precon insect commander?
>• “you may instead create that many copies of enchanted permanent.”
>• “put target creature from defending player’s graveyard onto the battlefield under your control tapped and attacking.”
>• “X is the number of differently named lands you control.”
>• “Artifacts you control are Foods in addition to their other types”
>• “Spells you cast have affinity for artifacts.”
These sound like aids.

>>95993610
Doomposting is addictive. Some anons will flip sides just to keep the narrative as negative as possible. After the way Wizards has treated the game for so long I can see the temptation.

>>95993481
You're surprised? As far as I'm concerned the only surprise is he hasn't thought to go LOOK NO WHITE BANS AGAIN AHAHAHA I'M SO PERSECUTED yet.

>>95993670
If you didn't want Hasbro to steal your money, you should have given money to Hasbro

>>95993716
He did yesterday, he said Abuelo's Awakening isn't a white card because it was reanimating Omniscience

>>95993706
>Wizards essentially lies about three-year rotation by early rotating 5-6 Tier 1 decks because they don't use Final Fantasy cards
The only way to win is not giving your money to Wizards

>>95992386
>• card that grants an ability to Slivers
Umm excuse me what the actual fuck? Are Slivers back on the Pioneer menu?

>>95992386
>• new artifact token called Munitions
STOP WITH THE FUCKING ARTIFACT TOKEN!

>>95993766
The audience strongly wants sets to be mechanically distinct.

>>95993729
This. He said that ban doesnt count because is not "White" but "Blue" ban for omniscience

>>95993766
>Blood
>Clue
>Food
>Map
How many tokens can we jam in a single format?

>>95993729
>>95993777
Omni is the problem card, but they banned Abuelo's because Omni is a mythic in Foundations and banning a card from a set they designed specifically to be in Standard would make them look like complete fucking idiots.
I mean, they are complete idiots. But this is an Omni ban in everything but name. The only white card ever banned from Standard was Lin Sivvi.

>>95993690
>Is this a new one or is this just the precon insect commander?
New one, Maro's teasers don't include the commander decks, that's Gavin's (if he does one).

>>95993738
>Are Slivers back on the Pioneer menu?
I tried it in the past, we need this or an updated version with hexproof, even if it's 3 mana we can make it work, spot removal is too backbreaking and we can only run 4x copies of coco

>>95993738
Very likely it'll be a one-off card that also makes Sliver tokens. Probably a Saga or something, because Slivers are fictional in the Edge, but it'll be like 'holograms'/Illusions.

Somebody stole our meme

>>95993796
>The only white card ever banned from Standard was Lin Sivvi.

>>95993888
That's a black card, anon.
And Lurrus wasn't ever banned from Standard.

>>95993871
Flandard is Stourishing.

>>95993888
How crazy would be to free my cat lady in any format?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEyO0WyMttY
>Legacucks malding

>>95993889
MaRo me, Ban me,
Don't you Black or White me.

Mark Rosewater says, THE RIDE NEVER ENDS.

>>95992623
Actual fucking truke

>>95993166
>>95993231
I really hope we get some decent eumidian rares this set. Really bizarre that the least-playable insect from Aetherdrift was the fucking captain.

>>95993916
This ban update was literally just

>Standard:
"We're fixing mistakes 6 months too late."

>Pioneer
>Modern
>Legacy
>Vintage
"We don't care about these formats and have completely abandoned them."

>>95992899
>P-pwease buy fake cards (but don't you DARE use proxies for my unsactioned meme format btw play please please please!!!)
Literally a browner, lower IQ version of ye olde papershill, whom at least had the honor of shilling a format where decks are worth cokes and a half eaten ham sandwich.

>>95993933
Fixing standard too late is indeed cringe. Ignoring not-standard is based.

>>95993938
>Ignoring non-Standard is based
Why anon?

>>95993898
Look what vinty looks like and yeah.

>>95993944
Because not-standard are shit formats (at least now that extended is gone [although I suppose extended is now standard])

>>95993955
>Extended
Holy shit, an old timely pioqueer, a forbearer of the memedern player.
How have you lived so long eating only MaRo's shit?

>“Whenever you play a land or cast a spell, draw a card.”
lmao

>>95993988
It's all so boring.
None of the spoiled abilities are anything outside a core set.
A set in space? Lol artifact tribal. RIGHT!? RIGHT!? SPACESHIPS AND ROBOTS RIGHT!? laziest fucking shti imaginable.

God it sucks.

>>95993933
Does anyone have the original version of this comic?

>slivers
>insects
>eldrazi
>jellyfishes
>whatever the humans are
Isnt this too much creature teams for a single set?

>>95994028
Yes, it is.
They don't care.
Fuck you.

>>95994028
Consider it a CoCo.
Commander Core set.

>>95993548
>Ban Omni
Omni can still be ran. Just without Abuelo.

>>95993988
inb4 it's an enchantment for 2G

>>95994068
Omni wasn't winning at 4mana, it sure won't be winning at 5mana. It was a ban in all but name.

>"b-bans never fix anything"
>handful of cards get banned and end up fixing the format
>"NOOOOOOO! They're banning all the decks!"

>>95993548
Yeah totally. It was totally that and not the entire top 8 being unga bunga brainless three turn kill aggro decks.

>>95994119
>handful of cards get banned and end up fixing the format
40 minutes for a single game between Golgari midrange and Dimir midrange piles sure is fixing the format anon

>>95994138
Unless you're some sweaty pedophile mtgo grinder, what's the problem with more game per game?

>>95994119
>handful of cards get banned and end up fixing the format
Format confirmed for not fixed yet.
We'll have to see if it devolves into a Ux midrange/control shit pit.

>>95994108
Except it was winning games. At the one pro-tour where it was among mostly mice and cutter spam? No. On MTGO events and qualifiers where it was also being spammed? Plenty of firsts and seconds.

>>95994138
Yes. No game of Magic should last fewer than 10 turns.

>>95994138
>40 minutes for a single game between Golgari midrange and Dimir midrange
So don't play those two decks. You'll either lose fast or win fast.

>>95994158
This. What's the point of a 60 card deck if you only ever see at most a quarter of it?

>>95994133
>unga bunga brainless three turn kill aggro decks.
Wizards broke the format with Cutter so their solution was banning every single Tier 1 deck weeks after their biggest set ever is released, that saw almost zero play in Standard.
Ok anon

>>95993737
>because they don't use FF cards
Do you honestly, truly believe this or are you just clinging to any excuse to bitch? Literally everyone agreed that bans were sorely needed.

>>95994138
YOU FUCKING RED FAGGOTS
ROPE ALL OF YOU

>>95994170
>>95994158
>>95994146
HASBRO, DEFENSE TEAM ACTIVATE!
FORM OF, LOL, LMAO EVEN!

>>95994028
Probably not gonna be many Eldrazi, they can work as one-offs, the Sliver thing might also be a self-sustaining one-off. The others don't seem too tribal either, except maybe the insects?

>>95994190
What? I'm hating on Hasbro for making games last no more than 5 turns.

>>95994183
>YOU FUCKING RED FAGGOTS
>ROPE ALL OF YOU
I just wanted to play Esper Bounce, but instead I'm quitting Magic.

I really think anyone asspained about these bans is some f2p /mtgag/ tourist who's angry that they can no longer jam out their daily wins in 7 minutes.

>>95994190
I hate HASBRO as any sane person, but you are just a retard

>>95994213
Get back to your containment thread, Arena scum
>>95969033

>>95994212
Bye bye.

>>95994138
Wizards of the Coast has a product for ADD micetards like you, it's called Pioneer bo1.

I'm quitting MTG to play Death Stranding TCG

>waaah waaah my overpowered deck is dead now i'm quitting magic
newanon here, this happened with other fuck up shit bans? like whiny bitches quit magic after oko, omnath or alrunds?

>>95994271
Cool. Bye bye.

>>95994294
Literally every ban announcement with more than 0 cards and each rotation

>>95994294
Every time Wizards bans a bunch of cards, people quit playing paper magic. Good luck getting a paper FNM standard to launch this week, lololol, imma play xbox.

>>95994319
Good. The less people playing magic, the better. Also, bye bye.

>>95994319
I love that Jim still thinks people 'play Xbox'

>>95992386
The first card was spoiled already.

>>95992386
The lobster citizen might be a homarid as Mark said if they returned they would errata the type.

>>95994028
That's five, anon. Innistrad has that many and everyone jizzes their pants over it.

>>95994326
why are you here?

>>95994212
>1 drop tribal degens are being replaced by comfy FF fanchads
UBschizo can't stop losing

>>95994419
Still not buying 1300 dollar collector boxes, MaRo

>>95992513
You haven't taken care of the schizo problem in this thread.

>>95994361
This seems like a funny mechanic to have right after a set with fairly powerful landfall stuff.

>>95992924
It's a rating based on how likely they are going to use it as a main mechanic for a standard set.

I just remembered that cauldron familar caught a standard ban back in the day, seems so quaint now

The Summist's corporate slaves.

>>95994527
High caste Summist.

>>95994361
Hell yeah, training grounds deck

>>95994527
>>95994549
This shit looks so bad it's unbelievable. I'm getting the same kind of vibe as Aetherdrift and Duskmourne of just, who the fuck asked for this?

>>95994563
At least all their thighs are wider than their calves. Presumably.

>>95994604
play the boogz

>>95994604
I like this art.

Teased planet. Probably the Mythic land cycle. Rumor has it the green land gains gaea's cradle at 12 charge counters.

>control still unplayable
Format is better but not fixed

>>95994604
Insects i'm in.

>consider building a new standard deck
>realize standard rotation is happening in a month

Like why even bother?

How we make Aristocrats work on Standard?

>>95994800
FNM Standard was barely firing prior to these bans. With every deck banned, they probably won't fire again for another six months.

>>95994604
I feel like there's an 80% this is just the showcase(?) version of pic related. Either way, might be cool as long as it's better than something like Crawling Sensation.

>>95994662
The stuff at the bottom suggests to me it'll have a similar implementation to spacecrafts/station. Can't wait to see it in a week.

>>95994800
there are plenty of decks that will stay playable post-rotation

>>95994800
Bloomburrow won't rotate for another 18 months, you could build a tribal deck with cards mostly from that set.

>>95994852
>giving Hasbro a single dollar after they went back on this promise of a three-year standard by soft rotating every single tier 1 deck
no, i don't think i will

I am a big fan of first strike death touch.

>>95994839
Maybe on Arena, but I guarantee you that every single FNM Standard in your area (unless you live in LA or NYC) will fail to launch for months. Paper players are pissed.

>>95994933
Good. Maybe we can start doing what's needed against WotC.

Where should i play mah man?

>>95995068
Forgot pic

>>95994908
I'm 99% sure frogs and lizards will never catch a ban, but that's because they probably won't be tier 1.

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>>95995095
where are you playing? mtgo, arena or paper?

>>95995128
I just want a competitive deck for him but MTGO or Arena i guess

>>95994527
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>>95994604
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>>95992301
This shit is so soulless that it is just boring to see.
Is the art director for this set also a cultural consultant or something like that?
>>95992386
So this set is just "LETS MAKE A BUNCH OF THINGS COMMANDER LARPERS LIKE!" ?
More and more I lose interest in this set. Glad I didn't pay for prerelease.

>>95995163
>Is the art director for this set also a cultural consultant or something like that?
Nothing about this art suggests that. At worst, it suggests the art director doesn't have any attachment or interest in older Magic sets and just likes modern fiction tropes.
>So this set is just "LETS MAKE A BUNCH OF THINGS COMMANDER LARPERS LIKE!" ?
Isn't that every set at this point?

>>95995163
>waaah waaah me don't like animals
>waaah waaah me don't like haunted house
>waaah waaah me don't like space
we got it already anon.

>>95995139
there's modern hammertime
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7179233#paper

I'm sure glad Premodern by construction is immune to the nu-MTG nonsense.

>>95995095
>>95995228
This. Hammer in Pio is your best bet and it's not a bad deck

>>95995278
>each opponents
>>>/tg/edhg

>>95995278
is this an ironic post?

For the final fantasy draft what are good must pick cards for blue, black, and green? Going to my local card shop soon

>>95995189
>Nothing about this art suggests that. At worst, it suggests the art director doesn't have any attachment or interest in older Magic sets and just likes modern fiction tropes.
I was just insulting cultural consultant as being uninspired conartists with 0 talent.
>Isn't that every set at this point?
Fair point.
>>95995196
Bloomburrow was good.
Duskmourn could have been better without the 80s technology and real world things.
Edge of borringness looks uninspired as fuck, not even the mechanics of the set look good so far. And this is a huge let down because this is a set about Tez winning for once.

>>95995296
MTG with more than 2 players existed long EDH or even Commander was thing. Two headed giant (you have 2 opponents) used to be a thing too.

legacy sisters, when will they fix our format?

>>95995412
2026 since they're not making any changes before eternal weekend, which would be the next B&R
praying something from spiderman or avatar breaks the format in half just for the lulz

I want to make a standard deck around this guy so bad. He's probably not good enough though. Flips on turn 5 then does a reanimate on turn 8, like who has time to wait that long?

I did see a boros self-mill deck that used him just as a way to mill yourself more. weird archetype for boros but whatever works I guess.

>>95994662
That's the Spaceship template.

>>95995340
2-headed giant is much closer to 1v1 than the 4 player free-for-all that is edh.

Now that everything is Universes Beyond what crossover would you most like to see?

For me it’s honestly Elden Ring.

>1GW The Guidance of Grace
>search your library for 2 land cards with basic land types and put them on to the battlefield tapped then shuffle your library. You gain 4 life.

>>95995456
put him in mardu or jeskai midrange and he'll be fine
he should also be ok in the naya yuna deck

why is wotc copying that shitty bethesda space rpg that came out two years ago, it's exactly like how they copied avengers and harry potter two years late too

>>95995468
And there's still the 3+ player guys with mtg decks in a circle playing cards which has been around since Alpha.

Honestly I like what I’ve seen of the space opera set. The art is great and mechanics seem cool.

>>95995456
He's played in Naya Yuna decks just as a blocker and for his looting. You could add him to monument of endurance decks, if you intend to transform him a lot. Naya legends is another option.

>>95995314
The removals on Blue/Black are pretty good. All the uncommon signposts on Sultai are good. Sahagin/Fat Chocobo/Wyvern can win you games. Laguna is a good draw. Town Greeter will help you mill and mana fix, since in Sultai you want to maximize Ardyn/Sin (if you get them).
But Diamond Weapon or Omega is also good as a bomb. Jenova is nuts but be careful not to draw too many.
So basically you want to go control with a lot of removals and ramps/mills/draws until you play your high cost creature. Even T-Rexxaur can be a bomb.

>>95995484
Evil cannot create, only corrupt.
Unfortunately, WotC is both evil and incompetent so what it chooses to corrupt is shit to begin with.

You know what? They should drop the pretense and allow non-legendary commanders.

this card is winning me a ton of games

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>>95995638
I REPEAT AGAIN

WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY REFERRING TO THE OPINION COMMANDER PLAYERS ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF STANDARD SETS, WHEN THEY HAVE PRODUCTS DESIGNED FOR COMMANDER

Insane that nothing from Dimir slop got touched. The 4x cut down 4x throat 4x annoint meta is miserable to play.

>>95995163
Half the art looks good, not every piece is going to be a hit.

>>95995760
Hey remember how annoying it was to play against Kaito, Enduring Curiosity, and then 20 pieces of removal?
you will

Well this is a fun one

black knights greatsword in a vivi build
ready it

>>95995760
>The 4x cut down 4x throat 4x annoint meta is miserable to play.
every single one of those cards is rotating in a month
not saying you're wrong about it being miserable, it definitely is, but that's the explanation

>>95992751
Haliya is using Vondam's age to determine which protocol to use because it's him that she wants to be causually linked and kept alive by the action, not her.

>>95992818
Remember earlier Alphyrus was able to push his finger through the hole in his hand and through the door to open it from the outside. Here he's able to do the same through her armor. Can the hole in Vondam's head be used the same way, I wonder?

>>95995461
It's actually the station template.