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>>95997842
Okay

No angry anons allowed edition.

>>95997842
Why do the early Commandos look so camp? Was this a possible FASA in joke or did they naturally appear that derpy?

>>95997894
Youngin, you need to realize that 3-d CGI did not always look as good as it does now and that it had to start somewhere.

>>95997835 (OP)
>there’s a whole mercenary regiment of Latinas getting sweaty and bratty in their SHS battlemechs
Ok ok which one of us wrote the Caballero trilogy?

>>95997911
I didnt latinas arent my thing

>>95997911
>>95997918
I don't think it was anyone here.

>>95997958
>two separarate people put in NEA's wife
So one of them was NEA but...

>>95997973
One of them thought it would be funny to do the "I'll also say that guy's wife" joke.

>>95997911
Milan is dead so we'll never know if he came here or not. It's likely he didn't

>>95997907
Wasn't just 3D, the early artwork made it look like a bit of a fairy!

While scrubbing of a thud I put way too much primer onto, I realized I kinda like the look of a black mech with orange splotches everywhere. Anyway to recreate it well being less ugly?

>>95998722
Looks like it failed a PSR into a pit of clay?
Maybe could work that as an effect and make some sort of diorama out of it?

>>95998722
Repeat the process
>being less ugly
Why?

>>95998722
Paint one color, cut a bunch of pieces of painters tape into random shapes, stick randomly on the mech, paint 2nd color, remove painters tape.

>>95998722
>when you go above 30 on the heat scale.

>>95997894
There is no mech that evokes "it's literally just a guy" as well as the commando. Early art was derpy, and let's be honest, BT as a whole is kinda derpy, so the commando is the quintessence of battletech. This is absolutely not a bad thing in any way.

>>95998987
He really looks like he should be drinking a bud or a monster energy drink

>>95998722
assuming you want to keep the orange in the greeblies...

white base, aggressive & heavy pink wash, paint orange into the cracks, paint all your panels dark gray, then darken then with near black (reserving black for the darkest shadows).

alternatively

base black, use a white India ink, use whatever inks to get to the orange you want, touch up the panels with dark gray/etc.

>>95999154
I feel like commando is the kind of guy who's loyal to a random regional lager that his dad and grandpa drank rather than bud
but absolutely

>>95997842
Lighter than you :^)

Has anyone out there put together a compilation of the rules stuff in Shrapnel magazine?

>>95999366
Stuff your furryfag shit up your ass.

>>95999154
I will never get over how someone looked at this and thought it was looking forward and the side was the front. And then the IIc took the back of the head and made it the front.

>>95999366
Nobody uses protomechs. Theres probably more people still playing aerotech than use protos.

>>95999154

>>95999366
protomechs, lams, and quadvees are all stupid and need to be reworked rules and lorewise from scratch. They should all be mashed together into one unit.

Well time for something even more controversial.
>>95987314
But what if playing objective based games and how would rate them
also
>Still no Longbow on the list
Basing my opinions on mechs that can use as cappers, attackers and defenders with assumption there will be some buildings/cover to hide behind which why some pretty decent mechs are low down while others that may seem questionable in most games are up higher

>>96000028
>Black knight in A
>Flashman in C

>>96000028
now do one for how breedable the mechs are.

>>96000028
I know it's shit, but I both hate that the Shadowhawk is shit, well enjoying why it's shit. Luv me generalist mechs who refuse to commit.

>>96000224
One of the rules of Battletech if you play long enough is either the uglier or shittier a mech is, the luckier it is on the table. Last time I drove a Shad 2D I killed 2 fucking Panthers with it. The BV check cleared bigtime. I can't tell you how many times I've overfired the hell out of a Rifleman and then bellyflopped in a depression until the heat came back down to sanity. Or have you tried the Dual Gauss Jagermech with the paper armor? It's an exercise in hilarity. Same with the HG Crud.

>>96000028
>Longbow
Fuck you Bryan Nystul and your 3058 retroactive bullshit.

>>96000316
We still have the 0W bro...

>>96000097
Hands make all the difference
>>96000224
Shad can be quite decent for objective play. If you play with smoke rounds which really should be standard tech at this rate it can be a rather sneaky raider either assisting or being the one to do a smash and grab.
>>96000316
Longbow first appeared with stats in page 20 of Sorenson's Sabres and an image of it appeared in the last pages of the Star League sourcebook. Its been around since the 80's. Most of TRO 3058 content was just grabbing shit that appeared in the various scenario packs and putting them in one book. It really didn't add much new in the grand scheme of things.

>>95999835
The one good thing protomechs brought me was giving me the idea to use the "activate all five as a single initiative activation" rule and apply it to massed conventional infantry.
That way they can't initiative sink too bad, but can still act after certain targets to do stuff like leg attacks

>>96000545
>Its been around since the 80's. Most of TRO 3058 content was just grabbing shit that appeared in the various scenario packs and putting them in one book. It really didn't add much new in the grand scheme of things.

This. It's:

TRO:3025 The Common stuff and the rare survivors
TRO:2750: Comstars special toys
TRO:3050: Clanner frontline and upgrades for the IS
TRO: 3055: Clanner secondline and IS response
TRO:3058: Shit we had in unit sourcebooks the last ten years
TRO:3060: We didn't even bother to ask Doug for revisions
TRO:3067: Holy shit, MW4 is super popular but FASA is dead

etc. etc.

is there an editable map of all known systems out there? or at least just a blank one without political borders? I'm smoking on some AU Assdisaster pack and just had an idea

>>96000817
https://www.gruese.de/innersphere/
Might be the best you'll get. You can filter it so it doesn't show nations.

>>96000851
thanks bossman. I'll see if it's something I can work with or if it's back to real 90s MSPaint hours

so have we gotten any more info on what's out in the EXTREME DEEP since ISP 3 came out a current new player's lifetime ago?

>>96001018
Buddy we've barely gotten updates about what's going on in the MoC/Fronc/Taurian corridor.

>>96001134
I mean, it's not like I thought the answer wouldn't be "of course not"

>>96001134
Do we even know what's happening in the inner sphere other than "everything is stupid fiat wank yiff yiff" ?

>>96001153
They just did a cycle of sourcebooks going around the inner sphere and leading into Ilclan.

>>96001153
I think there is a difference between a detailed list of battles and interpersonal interactions that make no sense and some canon rumors that were added as plot hooks for the RPG fans.

>>95997958
Wtf does "enthusiastic consent fetish" mean? Like, the girl keeps saying, "This is so awesome! Let's keep doing this!" throughout?

>>96001153
last i saw, they promised to quit with the wolf wank. They then decided to have wolf and jade falcon invade one of the capellan worlds and conquer it.

Keep in mind, 60% of all clan wolf warriors are dead and 98% of all jade falcon warriors are dead. only 120 jade falcon warriors survived the ilkhan trials, and most of those are severely wounded.

so you got this entire fucking clusterfuck of near dead and walking wounded, and they decide to have them win New Earth from the cappies easily.

>>96001390
Either you get Cappie fiat or Wolf fiat. Just appreciate the Capellans finally took a big fat L for the first time in forever.

>Based on a 1980's understanding of technology and the future
Wouldn't this mean that Battletech is a retrofuturistic setting?

>>96001608
Not really. Retrofuturism is trying to evoke a futuristic style that existed previously. So it would only be retrofuturistic if you made a setting NOW that looked like battletech did in the 80s.

>>96001608
Macross had such beautiful mechs. I wish FASA nabbed more of them back then.

>>96001649
That's a function of art direction and fiction editing, and therefore inconsistent because no one competent has ever had the license.

To this day characters on earth get information from TV and radio broadcasts and not Barkr formerly StoneNet, formerly WoBchat, formerly Starnet.

>>96001649
But Battletech IS is a setting that exists now. It's not like the setting has evolved or moved away from its 1980's influence, it still remains rooted in the 80's understanding of what the future would be like

What would fags use related for in 3028? aside being dishonored by the Dragon

>>96001739
That makes it outdated sci-fi, not retrofuturism. The end result might look similar, but they're written from very different points of view. Victorian fiction and fiction that used to be contemporary back when it was written during the Victorian era aren't the same genre for the same reason.

>>96001649
>>96001739
>>96001830
Not that anon. But it does beg the question. Why has Battletech never tried to update their aesthetic beyond the 80s? I don't think it exactly needs to, I'm just more surprised from a marketing perspective

>>96001981
>Why has Battletech never tried to update their aesthetic beyond the 80s?
Cause it's a good fuckin' aesthetic, and it's their brand.

>>96001981
That's an endless treadmill. People 20 years from now will be laughing about how the writers thought people in the future would use tablets and phones connected to a central network rather than rented AI assistant implants that predict what you'll search for and generate it on the spot.

>>96002026
Plus Battletech is a rather well thought out setting from a technological standpoint...so long as that technology doesn't change in any significant way. You start fucking around with modern day shit and you erode the logical foundations of the setting.

>>96001997
Pushback from grogs.

Look at Shadowrun: they updated from the 80s to the 2000s in 4e and got smacked so hard by the grogs that they rolled back everything for 5e.

>>96001697
The Monster would have been great, but they would have needed to invent a new category for it, so I appreciate why they didn't. It's really more of a support weapon than a "main battle tank" anyway.

>>96001453
Alaric kills Daoshen and the marries Danai and their child is the Kwisatz Haderach.

You heard it hear first.

>>96002225
I hate that this seems fairly likely

>>96002216
There's good things grogs hold the line on.

And there's stupid shit grogs hold the line on. Like jank as fuck sculpts.

>grogs sunk new shadowrun
Honestly there's just not enough interest and sometimes the timing just isn't right. I think a lot of the problem with shadowrun has been a lot of convoluted rules and table lookups that try to simulate depth with directories. I think the rules are the biggest detractor from Cyberpunk: Middle Earth.

>>95997911
>think you can just mozie on by without so much as a “howdy ma’am”?

but in all seriousness, the Caballeros are one of the more entertaining merc commands. I wish we saw more of their adventures

>>96002220
IIRC the Stone Rhino is more or less meant to be the BT interpretation, but you're right that is falls short for obvious reasons.

>>96002303
It's "mosey."

>>96002220
I kinda wish they had taken stuff like the Queadluun-Rau and the Mackerel from Dougram and made more space/underwater mechs from the beginning. Space mechs have a limited scope of applications, but underwater should be much more prevalent considering the vast majority of human habitable worlds have a lot of it kicking around. Raiding undersea dome facilities is a kickass concept that you can only barely do if you go to later eras.

Also Beemer pajamas.

>>96002412
Underwater mech fights are the coolest shit and I wish it was more of an afterthought in BT. Been trying to figure out the logistics of running a Hunt For Red October scenario with a lance combing the sea floor for a sub or something of that nature

>>95997894
*blocks your path*

>>96002225
Canopus WINS!

>>96002260
>>grogs sunk new shadowrun

I never said grogs sunk it. 4e was actually fairly successful, in part because it felt more modern and approachable. But the devs got a lot of pushback from grogs, and because the devs are also grogs and want the other grogs to like them, they rolled things back.

CGL doesn't publish numbers, but I'm pretty sure that 4e sold better than 5e. Note that 4e even got a "revised edition", and was around for longer than 5e.

>>96002303
That picture is horrible. It almost looks like it was shopped by someone half-competent instead of made by AI.

>>96002426
If you count "taking the S-D knot, literally" as a win.

>>96002429
4e wasn't a huge mechanical mess (it wasn't perfect, but you could at least play it), but 5e was a goddamn nightmare of fucky rules, random omissions, references to rules that don't exist but are expected to resolve your problem, random snippets of rules multiple chapters away from the only one they're relevant to, it was a mess. Even if you chop it all up and recreate it in a usable order, there's basic rules that just don't exist. It's not even like it said "the GM will have to adjudicate this themselves", it is written like that stuff should be there. 5e got a lot of bad press over this.

>>96002422
Use atmospheric condition LoS rules and make better sonar rules and I think you should be fine? You can just adapt Beagle rules for sonar if you're lazy.

Though I guess you'd want a 3D "grid" that Mechs move around using underwater JumpJets (I forget what they're called).

Is there an "Underwater Mech" perk for stuff like the Horned Owl?

>>96002412
hard to make me care about subnautical combat in a setting where multiple worlds exist and space travel is commonplace. I think combat on space ship hull exteriors is way cooler.

Not that there aren't cool missions that could happen on a coastline or under water, but rules as written make fighting in a mech underwater hell. PSR's and and misses over and over. Then everyone dies in their cockpits after tripping crushing a life support, hitting their head, and are concussed on both sides before a shot ever connects.

>>96001323
oh gosh I sure do enjoy having sex

>>96002426
post the one with the dick

>>96001829
A better Annihilator

>>96002216
I'd much rather Battletech grogs keep the setting as it is than let some developer butcher it by trying to make the mechs tactical or make capitalist republics popular.

>>96002458
No, there are a bunch of different pieces of equipment that make a mech work better underwater, but if you want to actually mitigate the risk of instant death acid you're using a double digit number of tons. Full head ejection (they're buoyant and pressurized), harjel, UMUs, MASS, etc.
Even with all that, it's still a very dangerous environment, but it's not instantly lethal the moment you take damage.

>>96002225
>>96002246
i mean shit, he's a genetically engineered incest baby. he's got the genes of the fedcom within him. He technically is a claimant of davion space. if that child somehow marries with Kurita then the innersphere will technically be more united than ever before, minus the shit tier fiefs fighting each over in former marik space.

How would you rate the Shadow Hawk -7H?

>>96002525
It's certainly better than the 2H but it's held back by the need to imitate that model, and at 1400 BV it's a bit too expensive for what it actually does.

>>96002225
>>96002246
>>96002509
He'd probably lose face among the Trueborns but might earn brownie points with the Dominion because they do the marriage thing, might also piss them off because its a political marriage. I dont know man I want the wolves to get btfo but then we'd have another dominant nation show up and collapse for the third time in 100 years. I just want something to happen delete a periphrat power or something.

>>96002525
A worse 5M. Even more advanced tech to still have mostly trash weapons.

>>96002525
It's like a worse 7M for about the same cost.

>>96002613
>delete a periphrat power
Man how the hell do you think that would be any better?
Even the Marians, the literal slave mongering Romaboos, have their fans.

>>96002673
Hell, even Filtvelt, which was originally only intended to be a temporary thing during the Jihad, garnered enough fans to be made permanent.

>>96002673
I'm convinced the marian love is entirely because people put 40 rocket launchers on a mech once and deleted the enemy (and themselves) at the same time.

>>96002682
Huh, apparently Filtvelt has a planet called "Mejicanos". I'll remember that for the next time someone asks where Latinas are in BT.

>>96002439
?

>>96002466
Whoever brings the most LRTs wins.

>>96002673
>Marians
Oh no 5 people will be devastated. The only ones with actual public shrieking would be the taurians and canopians, and then I would welcome it because most of their fanbases are meme spewing retards who dont actually know shit about them. The Marians are arguably the most insignificant of the main periphery powers especially now that the Raven Alliance is a thing and actively glassing cities. The only interaction anyone has with the Romaboos is when another player runs one of their Mean Rocket Meme Machines.

>>96001323
That's just normal sex for me though?

>>96002722
It's me. I brought the most LRTs.

>>96002673
Just delete Fronc Reaches, they don't really fit within the setting.

>>96002673
If a faction as major as Comstar can die, I don't think anyone but the Great Houses are safe.

>>96002732
Do you not know where you are?!
Good Odds those 5 Romaboos will show up at Catalyst door step in full Lorica segmentata!

>>96002806
Just have them get taken over by space visigoths and space turks.

>>96001697
>>96002220
>>96002412
I wish they added Zentradi women. Battletech needs huge women from an autistic warrior culture.

>>96002822
>inb4 "what are elementals"

>>96002832
If she's not big enough to tuck your entire body into her buttcrack there's no point.

>>96002832
Okay, but, like, really yes?

>>96002816
Those guys came from the wrong direction.

>>96002822
Have some Anni-Chan

>>96002976
Obviously it would be a retread of Ilclan and RoTS but that has never stopped them before

>>96002977
Aren't girls at their cutest when they're slow?

>>96002822
Yes we know, you mention it literally all the time you weirdo. You're almost as bad as that other one.

>>96003179
Anon... I only just recently got back into Battletech, it's been about 2 years since I've frequented here. Whoever you are referring too, is someone else entirely.

>>96002822
>giant future sci-fi woman
>uses a p90, but like BIG

Wow, someone really strained their creative muscle there.

Honestly they should just get rid of the whole "Star League was Space America" thing, it doesn't make sense to use America as a cultural reference for a feudal monarchy, not when the nation literally invented a pre-electricity method of long-range republican representation.

>>96003277
The Star League was Space NATO; the Hegemony was Space USA (or atl east the closest approximant).

>>96003277
>>96003287
The Star League was space Rome in a post-collapse world where everyone thought the pope might name them the new emperor even though everyone (including themselves) no longer respected the empire anyway.

>>96003266
P90s are inately futuristic

>>96003298
No, because the Star League was always a "union of equals" (even if some people were more equal than others).

The way the TH used the Star League as an excuse to pretend that they weren't just ruling everything is very similar to how the US used NATO.

>>96003287
>the Hegemony was Space USA
Still doesn't make sense.

>>96003366
You are complaining for the sake of complaining

>>96003366
It makes sense when you remember that FASA never wanted "regular america" in any of their games. They flubbed it up a bit with the Fedsuns, but the hegemony getting the america traits and then ceasing to exist was driven by the same desire that led to the balkanization of the US in shadowrun.

>>96003364
A polite fiction, everyone knows the first lord is actually an emperor. The US runs NATO by bulldozing military standards, but doesn't have strong economic or cultural control. The Star League can tell you that you get to have the monkey model of something you built for yourself and also have to let the next member over supply critical parts even though you want to kill each other. The star league had a level of control over its members that some of its members don't even have over their own regional governments. There's a reason why all the successor lords are called that and sign "First Lord of the Star League" as one of their titles.

>>96003384
Aren't the Taurians somewhat America?

>>96003402
No, the Taurians are Space Mexico. Fronc Reaches is Space Texas which is American.

>>96003402
Yes, but they're specifically Texas and only Texas. (But mostly texas as an independent entity prior to joining the US. Remember the Alamo) Which was, unsurprisingly, also what the CAS primarily represents in Shadowrun despite supposedly being the entire south.

>>96003402
They're everything good about America, yes. It's an easy way to ID monarchists and communists in the fandom. Ask someone if they're a Taurian fan. If they aren't, they aren't a legitimate American.

>>96002220
>Glad they didn't take it
Too bad, they did. Then they remade it and it still got tossed into the unseens.

>>96003404
Oh wow that was a cool read

>>96003417
>>96003422
They're literally imperial mexico lol.

>>96003392
The US had plans for that level of military and economic control of NATO, but Britain and especially France told them to BTFO in the 50s.

But again, it's all a loose correspondence. The DC isn't actually Imperial Japan, the LC isn't actually Weimar Germany, etc.

>>96003427
The idea would have been cool, but creating an entire new class of giant Mech would have sucked ass.

They could have ignored the scale (like they did with most of the others) and made it a 100 tonner with 4xAC/5 or AC/10 and 6xML, I guess (basically an Annihilator).

>>96003427
God, boomer era sculpts are just all just garbage. If I could hit a button and instantly melt every Battletech mini from before 2017 I'd do it in a heartbeat. This is exactly the sort of shit that the game doesn't need.

>>96003525
Okay, but the Star League had more economic and cultural control over its members than the EU does. It had way more military control than NATO. Everyone was homogenized and all part of one big military directed solely by the central nation with the guy whose personal military units were referred to as "Royal" and had all the best gear. The successor lords are exactly like the medieval kings. The frequently excommunicated German confederacy called itself the
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
aspirationally. The kings of France and Britain courted popes and schemed to take over Europe as direct continuations of the Empire. It wasn't even "an" empire, it was "the" Empire, and they all wanted to be the big guy in charge of it, like the good old days before it fractured. The Star League fills the role of the Roman Empire to its petty successors.

>>96003525
>The DC isn't actually Imperial Japan

>>96003546
He's right on that, actually. Tenno is still in Japan, Terra. The Coordinator has never styled himself as Emperor of Japan, or Shogun of Japan, or even Coordinator of Japan. Their only claim to actual Japan is through their claim to be the new First Lord of the Star League.

>>96003539
I don't know, I think they're kinda cute. I wouldn't mind if cgl did minis in the same style for a boxset or two. Especially for the ones that were heavily redesigned. If they were really lacking confidence on it they could release it on april fools.

Finally getting around to finishing my Luftwaffe Clan, just put a couple more thin coats on the yellow, enough for tonight.

>>96003546
They're literally just space weebs.
The modern Kuritans are only barely japanese at this point, they're descended from a guy named McAllister ffs.

>>96003720
Don't forget they've married Hog princess for so long that they're known for having blue eyes.

>>96003402
>>96003417
This Texas shit is stupid and has gone on for years. The only "Texas" shit is the stupid get off my property memes. The Taurians have a large number of social programs and such, Texas doesnt give a fuck about any of that. Theyre Finland if anything.

>>96003720
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Siriwan_McAllister
This one is my favorite Coordinator.

>>96003744
I agree with you. However, I do find it interesting that Texas is one of the few places that actually made two colleges part of their state constitution from the start, and the Taurians also care about education.

But the Taurians are a weird combination of destroyed major state, unyielding hate toward their chosen enemy whether it makes sense or not, absolutely dogged in their tactics but not actually that good at fighting, actually loyal in their alliances and treaties. They are cool dudes, but totally unhinged. Probably why they got along so well with the robes.

They feel like some fallen empire that went full retard like Turkey or Iran or something, minus the cultural dressup.

>>96003751
Reminds me of the Zeus pilot that fought in all 3 Succession Wars and died in her 130's.

My favorite has to be the OG legend himself. The man was dick of legendary proportions, and at the end of everything was driven literally insane by somebody dropping off a Kerensky action figure in his bedroom.

>>96003765
From what I understand Finland's education system used to be really good but its kinda fallen by the wayside in recent years. The Taurians are a shattered state several hundred years later and I love how the Star League are the ones that broke them but its the Feddies they have such a hate boner for.

>>96003744
Even early battletech writers weren't hack enough to do 1:1 replications of real world locations without some alteration. Finland also has armed, belligerent independence fetishists but it isn't known for its cattle and stars theming.

>>96003835
Taurians aren't really a cattle meme so much as actually being located in the constellation Taurus. Just like Canopians aren't a navigator meme.

Now, Fronc gets the full western memes because it's the frontier.

>>96003846
Their national currency is the bull

>>96003855
Again, it has to do with being in Taurus, not like with ranching like the Trinity Worlds for example.

>>96003855
Mexico had a lot of cattle too.

>>96003874
Still does. Them fuckers not controlling the primary screwworm is threatening to get that shit back into Texas on their cattle after we had almost exterminated it down to Guatemala. Border is totally closed to Mexican cattle literally right now because of it. Fuck what the place has become under the cartels.

>>96003862
>>96003874
You are both being contrarian. The taurians clearly have a texas theme just like the lyrans have a german theme. Fronc (and new dallas) just have the theme even harder.

>>96003835
Their society isnt built around ranching anon theyre just located in the Tauras constellation.

>>95997835 (OP)
what if there were weremechs? Mechs that by day are mild mannered urbies but at night turn into rampaging warhammers?

>>96001697
Would've been interesting to see how Battletech used the Tomahawk II.

>>96003904
Fronc Reaches had a Texas theme. Taurians only have a Texas theme insofar as Texas and Mexico have a history together.

>>96003835
>Finland also has armed, belligerent independence fetishists but it isn't known for its cattle and stars theming.

Finland has robust social security and services and is constantly afraid that their neighbor will invade.

No BT state is one-to-one with anything.

But I agree that the TC is more Finnish than Texan.

>>96003904
Sir, I am not. 1629 is my favorite old book, and my family has been in Texas since it was part of the Viceroyalty of New Spain. The modern writers push the Texas stuff a bit, but the original layout wasn't too much on it. New Dallas and the Lone Star District push things hard.

Muh independence and muh guns and muh property is not super Texan. As someone who has lived all through the Deep South and the West, it's just not. Hell, Audey Murphey was from Oklahoma. I do appreciate a good Come and Take It message, but the Taurians really do their own thing. If they had even a little more drugs and crazies, people would call it Space Florida.

Fun fact though, if you read some of the western stuff in 1629 like the tale about Hampden's Holdfast, it's usually out in the boonies with pirates. That world doesn't even have a sarna page, probably because it's not been on any star chart. Somebody should get on that.

>>96003952
2x gauss, 2x ac10, 2x rotary ac2?
Not sure there's enough tonnage for all that.

>>96003904
>You are both being contrarian. The taurians clearly have a texas theme

They absolutely don't.

What do they have that's Texan? The highly regulated free market? The robust safety net? The mandatory military service? The constant paranoia about being invaded by a giant neighbor? The British names for their branches of government? Deism as the de facto national religion? Their monarch using an English title? Their vaguely Prussian military uniforms? Their army academy being named in French?

>>96003969
That passage applies to anywhere in the West, not just Texas.

>>96003982
>2x gauss, 2x ac10, 2x rotary ac2?
good lord

>>96004002
>The highly regulated free market? The robust safety net? The mandatory military service? The constant paranoia about being invaded by a giant neighbor? The British names for their branches of government? Deism as the de facto national religion? Their monarch using an English title? Their vaguely Prussian military uniforms? Their army academy being named in French?
all of those sound like details nobody would give a shit about and would bore most fans to tears. People think Taurian, they think bull, they think Texas. It sells.

>>96003982
Jesus anon, you could have just used MG arrays instead of Rotary ACs.
I'd say keep the Gauss, but use PPCs instead of ACs since it's related to the Warhammer. Have it be a Clan second line mech.

>>96004006
Yeah, that's what I said...

Dalton's is obviously a reference to the Dalton Gang. Mesa Verde is a Mesa Verde, Colorado reference, Carson Central is a Carson City, Nevada reference, and New Laredo is a Nuevo Laredo (Mexico) reference.

>>96003982
Seems like a Jupiter variant.

>>96003969
>and my family has been in Texas since it was part of the Viceroyalty of New Spain.
as i suspected.. a dastardly spainaird!

>>96004027
Tell me anything Texan about the Concordat.

Do they speak Texan? Do they practice the Texan religion? Were early leaders Texan?

>>96004047
I want my Rotary AC /20's

>>96004002
>hurr durr, the Kuritan's don't have an emperor and they haven't collapsed after five years of industrial warfare, they can't be Imperial Japan
>Neither Mao's China nor Stalin's Russia featured nobility or hindu death cults. It's impossible to say what inspired the Capellan Confederation

>>96004053
You're not addressing my point.

>>96004027
I think Taurian and I think constitutional monarchy run on enlightenment ideals IE Imperial Mexico

>>96004053
>Do they speak Texan
Everyone speaks English, and Taurians have a Spanish bent, so probably yes in both ways.

>>96004053
Early Texas leaders were all Virginians, though. Sam Houstin, Steven Austin. There's probably more.

>>96004064
So you think Tuarian and you think Spain.
You think Zorro.

>>96004062
Your point is that the TC is Texan because you say it is. There is no supporting material.

>>96004061
The DC and CapCon both speak their respective languages and adopt the outward trappings, as well as having a government inspired by.

The TC does not.

>>96004140

>>96004160
>English, Spanish, French
Cajuns!

>>96004160
Anywhere the Star League touched has English as a major language. You have to go to places like the Samoyedic Colonies or the Jarnfolk to find people who just flat out don't speak English. And even then, they might speak it anyway since it was always the language of the government from space day 1. Even the most distant, uncontacted deep periphery cult stronghold had to travel through English speaking space to get out there, no matter how old they are.

>>96004255
I fucking love how Star League English is the Latin of space because of the Terran Hegemony.

>>96004027
What "people" think the TC is is not the same as what the TC actually is.
Most taurian "fans" are simply tourists, because any actual fan would do the slightest amount of reading and realize the TC has fuckall to do with texas and zero cultural or governmental similarities.
>all of those sound like details nobody would give a shit about
>and would bore most fans to tears
Those aren't fans then, they're tourists. They have such a surface level interest in the setting that they'd struggle to name all five great houses.

>>96004277
>talking to a clansman is like talking to a holo from those bygone days
>also they constantly use abbreviations unique to the clans and regularly use mongolian and russian words
I wish the clans weren't so poorly written. It's like they didn't care.

>>96003952
2xER PPC, 2xMed Pulse, 2x Streak SRM 4

Its a counter to the Thug being a Warhammer replacement

>>96004041
>Frontier town names for a frontier nation

wow so texan

>>96004287
Smugly refusing to notice obvious themes in a piece of fiction we have all read because the hated redditors also discuss it makes you seem really, really stupid.

>>96004351
>obvious theme
Does texas have a bull on its flag?

>>96004365
Texas has many flags.

>>96004313
I feel like the contradictions are intentional to show how far they've gotten off course. There's nothing better than some faggot in a fursuit screaming about how they are the true heirs to the Star League.

If anything, CGL trying to roll back their cultural contamination and rounding the shit sharp edges of their society off the last few years is the worst. I LIKED when they all started calling Madcats, actual Madcats instead of Timberwolves.

>>96004385
>but look at this flag of some random texan sports team
Very convincing.
Spain has a much stronger association with bulls than texas ever has.

>>96004396
Sure, but saying a clanner talks like an ancient holotype is like saying an american zoomer talks like someone from 18th century england.

>>96004401
Oh I see, you are simply a seething foreigner very mad that this game was written by and for americans.

>>96004418
I think of it more like talking the old way then interjecting the random shit like pic-related.

>>96004424
As much as you're trying to contribute to it, not all americans are retarded enough to immediately assume a nation is a 1-1 stand-in for texas just because it has a bull on its flag.

I would argue that the taurians also have certain argentinian elements
also, I would say that certain bits like deism, the position of protector *technically* not being hereditary and to a degree some of the french influence has more of a jeffersonian early america feel than mexican

>>96004475
>I would argue that the taurians also have certain argentinian elements

>Let me choose another beef and cattle country.
Ehhhhhhhh...

>>96004507
I mean specifically that for a while they had a standard of living and GDP per capita extremely close to that of the preeminent power of their time before totally getting fucked (admittedly by invasion rather than the mismanagement that happened IRL) and their later slide into juntaism , full retardation and picking a fight with a much more powerful nation over some random-ass islands and starting a war that gets their military utterly wrecked

guys is the taurian concordat just space mecklenburg?

>>96004507
if he specifically is talking about 2000s taurians being basically falklands era argies then I can see it

>>96004537
Moar like Space Uri.

>>96004475
>I would argue that the taurians also have certain argentinian elements
Oh no it makes far too much sense

>>96004539
>taurians being basically falklands era argies then I can see it
Same. Actually, it's a really good parallel. The moment that Argentina got uppity, it got bitch slapped back down by an actual world power. The parallels to the Taurians vis a vis Davions are obvious.

>>96004821
Sorry sweetie, the Davions aren't allowed to have nice things, including clusters named after nymphs.

The real question is why the Marians have a zombie for their national logo.

>>96004958
Represents their fan base.

>>96004958
they're like an ultra powerful pirate kingdom

>>96004958
because they are a bunch of crackhead pirates who decided to LARP as romans, but the logo reflects who the actually are rather than who they pretend to be

>>96004958
Because showing two hairy men buggering isn't exactly something they want to advertise.

>>96004993
>>96005003
I get what you’re saying about taking the bout out of the trailer park but not the trailer park out of the boy, but I would think after a couple of generations people would start to get embarrassed about pledging allegiance to the biker gang tattoo.

>>96005090
that's the secret thing about the marians that you only get from the deep cuts. they are not trying to be anything more than pirates, all the "legitimacy" is completely a front that they laugh at privately; they are still completely proud trailer park boys even if they have a fancy office downtown for the front company

>>96002641
>>96002651
but it's got an LB-10X

>>96005155
So what? An LB10X isn't a good gun compared to a CERPPC or CLPL. Come back when a Shadow Hawk has good guns, not shitty ones.

>>96005155
In 3050 that would have been a decent primary weapon. Not in 3090.
The 9D frankly is about the only serviceable variant I can see in that time period and even then that's quite high cost in BV for what you get.

>>96004958
The OG one is a skeleton in armor which is way cooler and more pirate like.

>>96003952
2x PPC 2x small laser, turret mounts
2x machine gun array (4)
2x large laser, barrel fist
I think we can maybe discount the leg treads because this is easily an assault.
CT active probe for flavor.

>>96003904
The Taurians are slavic, if you bothered to read the lore at any point you would realise this.

>>96003534
Well, surprising you should say that...
The Stone Rhino 5 mounts 4 lb5xac's and 6 er medlasers

>>96005155
That would be cool if it didn't come out in like 3100. At least give it a Rotary AC instead.
>SHS
oh fuck off, it doesn't even have the decency of making it ice cold in an era where DHS is fucking everywhere.

>>96003786
>Reminds me of the Zeus pilot that fought in all 3 Succession Wars and died in her 130's.
That's really cool, but also really depressing. Imagine having a front row seat to humanity nuking itself to the stone age.

>>96005826
7H has DHS though?

That said the real problem with the 7H is that in the 3100's do you know what other Shadow Hawk variant is in production and sports an LBX-10? 2Hb

>>96004160
They'd need to say "y'all" and "yee-haw" all the time and call their law enforcement Taurus Rangers to fit that.

The Capellan March has English and Spanish too. Are they Texas?

Am I misinterpreting things or does the Thug jist mog most all assaults? Like compared to say a Battlemaster it has an extra PPC/SRM6, the SRM has CASE, literally twice as much heatsinks, and it only costs a little more BV.

>>96006736
You're not mistaken. It's an elegant weapon from a more civilized age.

>>96006736
The Thug is great, you can go nuts without ever really needing to care about heat.

>>96006736
Even the Succession Wars downgrade can keep a respectable rate of fire on those PPC's before having to volley fire.

>>96006736
Yeah, it had different design priorities than a lot of the earlier ones, iirc it's an Unseen patch, so it was more important to just have a mech in the hole left by the Warhammer possibly going away forever.

>>96006814
But is it 20% better than a WHM-6K?

>>96007011
I'd argue yes actually. That extra 4.5 tons of protection can make a huge world of difference.

You know, I’m honestly kinda surprised that the Shogun, be it the 2F default or any of its variants, aren’t more prevalent among the DCMS. I mean with a name like “Shogun” it’s practically begging to be a Combine favorite.

But as far as I can tell, the Shoguns were a exodus fleet & wolf’s dragoons exclusive. At least according to the lore.

>>96007147
Imagine the average soldier riding a Shogun.

>>96007027
Fair.

>>96007147
It's an SLDF Mech, isn’t it?

>>96007204
Limited production during the star league, practically extinct in the succession wars, some came back with the dragoons, practically extinct again by the jihad.

>>96007147
A handful were built during the First Succession War and used by the Purple Bird before their factory was destroyed.

Its one of these designs that is super rare but not good enough for anyone to justify the expense and effort of building any so it basically withers away till the Dark Age.

I’d personally argue you really can’t have an American-coded faction in the game anyways given the inherent focus on monarchy and pseudo-knights throughout the setting.

>>96007204
Exactly, with a name like “Shogun” you’d think the writers would give it a background that puts it front and center in Combine forces. You know, because “Shogun” is a Japanese feudal title and the Combine are a bunch of warmongering weebs.

But no, the writers made it an SLDF-exclusive mech and what few survived the Amaris civil war went with Kerensky into deep space. Which I think is just a wasted opportunity.

>>96007204
Yes, and it's not really good enough to justify reproducing. It's got mediocre firepower for it's tonnage and it struggles in its ideal role. By the point that the great powers can begin making it again, they have better options and no reason to make an expensive underperformer. Especially when they are tooling up entirely new factories.

>>96007692
>>96007821
It's the kind of thing I'd expect an operation like Sapphire Metals to have a limited run production variant to sell to lords and oyabuns with more money than sense, but less money than hubris. Give it a genetic "good" loadout and a C3M and bam, Fuckwit-dono won't be able to resist buying one to display next to his tea ceremony house on his garden-continent.

>>96007887
Call it the O-Shogun to differentiate it from the old SLDF mistakes.

>>95997835 (OP)
Mechs make sense in settings like Battletech where the various great powers are emphasizing feudal aristocratic stability above all else. A nation that adhered to republican capitalism instead for example would not use mechs since mechs are a ceremonial weapon.

>>96007821
Well, ironically, after the Wolf’s Dragoons showed up they developed the 2E variant meant to “dumb down” the Shogun so to make it less conspicuous. Which ironically actually fixed some of its heating issues. By replacing the ERPPC with a basic PPC, the Shogun can actually bracket fire the LRMs and PPC together for short periods, which I believe does do wonders towards making the Shogun worth consideration, or at least make it less of a dead weight mech.

>>96007692
Not doubling down on the space weeb thing is fine. At the time the mech was made the Dracs didnt have any of the japanese named mechs, the Dragon was arguably the closest and even then not inherently japanese. The Dracs started really leaning into it after the Hatamoto.

>>96007821
Its a fat crusader, its just too expensive to justify for most. Im more surprised at how little the Imp shows up. Its a Goonsclusive but it feels like the writers have all but forgotten about them since they almost never get mentioned.

>>96008321
It's a highlander variant, really.

>>96007204
>>96007268
>>96007692
>Have mech design in the rules
>refuse to use it and complain if anyone else uses it because it's "exclusive to faction X and your mechs aren't pained that way"
>Noone plays faction X
>mech not allowed to be used ever
Just use it anyway, it's a great mook mech, pairs well with the dragon aesthetically and they're both sub-par big guys.

I put a Mjolnir in the same paint scheme as a Shrike and Roadrunner.

:3

>>96008378
Goons have fought for and against everyone at this point so salvage is pretty easy justification, especially for the Dracs post-Misery. I have a Crockett and Shogun I got from salvage packs Im going to throw into an Otomo lance. Most people are fine with others using rare mechs, I honestly dont bat an eye unless theyre being a WAAC fag.

Something I've noticed: in 40k there's a general concensus that the game really went downhill when the threw out the ForceOrg rules but in the BattleTech community the attitude towards the optional force building rules seems to range from indifference to outright hostility. Just an observation.

For my part, I think it's a good way to keep things organized at company-level and up, but it is a bit autistic for lance v lance games.

>>96008649
Because they're all optional. Even BV2 is optional. The actual game rule is to assemble a force "based on the scenario". I assume 40k tells you to assemble a force within a prescribed points limit by default.

>>96008670
Well, there’s a little more to it:

You do have an agreed upon army point size that neither player can go over. But there’s also a force organization chart that also has to be adhered to. From at least 3rd-7th edition the basic force organization chart demanded a minimum of 1 command unit and 2 infantry units must be present to be a legal force. This could be expanded to include up to 1 additional HQ unit, 4 more infantry units, 2 elite units, 3 heavy units, and 3 fast attack units. Later editions allowed certain armies to play around with the distribution, but that was for the longest time how it was organized.

>>96008649
>in the BattleTech community the attitude towards the optional force building rules seems to range from indifference to outright hostility
Because BT has worked fine for 40 years without them, and because there is a (fully justified) belief that a subset of people are going to use those rules as a weapon against other players to give them into playing a certain way, and other play will fall by the wayside in favor of "it's official therefore it must be better," official force building.

Similar to how, in 40k, there was a VERY long period where you either played gave in and played exclusively tourney-style 2000 point HQ+2 troops games, or you never got to play at all.

>>96008751
My mistake, 3 elite units max. It’s been a while since I played.

>>96008801
> Similar to how, in 40k, there was a VERY long period where you either played gave in and played exclusively tourney-style 2000 point HQ+2 troops games, or you never got to play at all.

This statement confuses me. Because the 1HQ+2Inf. Forces is the bare minimum for a basic game from 3rd edition on.

>>96008852
Anon, you're being willfully obtuse and you know it. He's describing exactly the same force org that you did. You either played using that force org, or you didn't play at all, because even if you wanted to try something different, you wouldn't be able to find a game because everyone around you only cared about following the force org. Battletech is about customizing your game experience to what you want it to be. A set force org system is the opposite of that. That's why the community who played BT before you GW refugees arrived all hate it. You are coming into our community and trying to make it more like the one you left. Stop.

>>96008649
BT is much closer to a historical than 40k is, the spirit of the game is completely different.
BT players also feel much more free to engage in RAT autism and the like because their models and gameplay capabilities are incredibly stable and it's much easier to setup and play a little game of BT than it is of 40k so there's less pressure to have the game be perfectly 50/50.

>>96008880
NTA but it's stupid to complain that you couldn't get a game without following the most basic rules.

The point of those limitations was game balance in addition to the BV like point system, akin to house rules about how many mechs in a force can have clan pulse lasers, except it was at the front of the core rulebook and in every army book.

>>96008904
>it's much easier to setup and play a little game of BT than it is of 40k
I like how I can fit an entire game of BT in a small backpack and set it up in under 5 minutes

>>96008921
If you roll up your mapsheet you can fit a game of battletech in a thermos.

>>96008939
>paper map sheets
grogs leave

>>96008939
You can fit a game of battletech in your pocket.

>>96008993
I'm assembling a metal mini that has a sculpt from 1987 right now. Cope, seethe, and dilate.

>>96009159
I can fit an entire game of Battletech inside my pussy.

Do you guys prefer to paint mechs one at a time, start to finish or assembly line style?

>>96009328
I do groups of four at a time, usually arranged as a lance I would field together.

>>96009347
That's usually how I do it, small batches.

>>96009135
I can do 2 games in my pocket!

>>96009328
Lance/star at a time.

Spina Khanate Star WIP

>>96009328

What these Anon's said.
>>96009347
>>96009357

Normally a lance at a time, I try to keep one paint wet and do everything I need to with it for the four mechs I want to paint then move onto the next colour etc.

>>96009328
One at a time. I usually do things slightly different each time, incremental improvement.

>>96009347
>usually arranged as a lance I would field together
I do that or 1 of each weight class.

>>96009553
It just makes sense for the first force-sized group you paint to actually make up a playable force.

>>96009328
Depends.

Primarily on a combination of how many units do I need to paint overall, and how much work has to go into the paint scheme.

Simple/easy color patterns are painted in batches, assembly style. Mostly because each step isn’t particularly difficult so it’s more efficient to just keep going. Now how many are painted in each batch is relative to how many I’m willing to tackle vs. how big my shame pile has gotten. For more difficult patterns I might put the basic colors on in batches but finish up one at a time because the work is just too exhausting to do all in one go and frankly not having anything to show before needing to get up and look at something else for a bit is discouraging.

>>95997835 (OP)
When you think about it isn’t Battletech a pretty strong condemnation of pacifism and globalism?

>>96009658
Globalism maybe, but pacifism? The only pacifists in the entire setting are an obscure backstory faction that has never existed in any of the eras that are supported by the developers. And even then, they kicked ass the one and only time they were forced to fight.

>>96009553
My first fit into both categories!

>>96009658
Nah, Battletech doesn't particularly care about either of those. Battletech is an endorsement of big robots and while it depicts feudalism, it does so because feudalism leads to interesting politics rather than because it thinks feudalism is a good idea. And because two of its big influences, Dune and The Mote In God's Eye, did the same thing.

>>96009658
Yes, but the novels for dark age and onward really try hard to be contrary to it, like the recent fail of portraying clanners as racist and sexist which makes no sense in a society that genetically engineers their warriors.
Or a dark age novel I read that had a "Lyran" ambassador who was an incredibly fat black guy who states at one point that "sometimes a woman is born in our family who is pale blonde and blue-eyed, it just happens bro" as a pants-on-head retarded attempt to portray diversity as not just culturally normal, but genetically too "Black people have european babies sometimes!" disgusting.

>>96009811
>that had a "Lyran" ambassador who was an incredibly fat black guy

Portuguese fat guy. He was the one playing blackamoor. I got cousins like that. Fun novel, though. 'member the scene where the falcon sibbie is beat to death on Christmas Day? Good times...

>>96009865
his manservant was ethnically portugese, yes, and the black was raised in a portugese speaking world/family, but he explicitly is described as being sub-saharan black, same way he describes his mammy.

>>96008993
Are you playing on top of a TV?

>>96009901
Must have a hologram emitting table

>>96009159
show that mini. in return, here's what i got recently!

>>96009704
You could say that everyone in the setting is a pacifist. They’re so afraid of violence that they’ve turned it into a ritual game that they play at for fear of ever fighting for real. Much like medieval knights, they play at war, turning it into a fun little sport to avoid the horrors of industrialized warfare.

>>96009945
No man is more horrified of war than one who is intimately familiar with it.

>>96009949
Nobody in battletech is familiar with it tbf. They’re just aristocracy. Aristocracy tends to fear war because of the changes it brings.

>>96009962
There is never any change for the aristocracy in battletech, no matter how much war or civilizational strife.
1000 years and the same families rule the same nations, no period of real history has experienced such stability, individual nations perhaps, but never a stalemate for all parties.

>>96009923
Fucking nice.

>>96009972
That’s because Battletech doesn’t do industrialized war.

>>96009658
No.

At least I’m pretty certain that was never the intentions of the authors.

I mean, if that’s what you want to take from the source material, then go ahead, I can’t stop you. But I would recommend that if that’s what you’re getting from the Battletech lore, then it might be time to step away from the computer, turn off the TV, turn off the phone, and go outside. Take a walk, get some fresh air, touch some grass, or let grass touch you, I won’t judge.

But you definitely need to get off the internet and out of your own head.

>>96010003
>never the intentions of the authors.
It doesn't matter the intentions, by choosing those conditions for their fiction universe it is only natural that such would develop from it as those are the logical consequences.
If you want a fictional universe that loves peace and globalism you need to set entirely different parameters, and so globalists should seek other IP's to play in.

>>96010027
As I said, I think you’ve had enough internet for today, I think it’s time you went outside and cleared your head.

>>96010035
>Any injection of woke politics in the modern writing that you perceive is a product of delusion!
The only person you've succeeded in gaslighting is yourself.

>>96010069
Point proven

>>96010080
Yes, but not the point you think.

>>96008426
Sure, you could say it's salvage, but if you want to be fluffy it's explicitly stated there's two left in existence by the beginning of the jihad and it has an availability rating of "unique" during the succession wars.
Obviously nothings going to stop you from creating a company of screamers except your own desire to do so, but in-universe the shogun is a ridiculously rare machine for most of history, it makes the crab look common.

>>96007147
The Shogun and Kintaro are proof that the Combine doesn't own everything with a Japanese name.

>>96010100
Why are you still crying about two year old fanfiction? Do you really have nothing better to do?

>>96009949
"War is hell and everyone who has been in one knows it" is such a dumb take, has been stupid since that ancient philosopher thought it up. There's plenty of people who have fought in war and thought it was good. There are people who were practically born to fight in a war with a smile on their face until they died, there's people who regretted every moment they spent not trying to kill someone who was trying to kill them after they tasted war.
Sure, it's bad, but there's always been people who knew what war was like and wanted more of it for themselves.

>>96010003
It's certainly not an outlandish message to get from kerensky giving up on the inner sphere and running away and what that wrought.

>>96010126
>beginning of the jihad
Good thing no one plays that era so it doesnt matter, everyone plays before there's only 2 left.

:D

>>96010188
They do it every year now, gaslighting fag.

>>96010404
And it hasn't changed anything, so there's no need to cry about it. It was ineffectual at everything except scaring you.

>>96010393
Well during the succession wars there's probably only that many left as well.

>>96010126
I mean I could really make you seethe and play battletech without battletech lore, just pop all the mechs into a Not!Earth scenario akin to the Front Mission games.

>>96010452
All the TRO's are written from the perspective of an in-universe historian/report so you have to keep in mind that they are imperfect and even biased views on the subject, no single man or even organization can have perfect knowledge of an area as big as the inner sphere and furthermore it's known that the periphery is not fully explored and what is is not fully documented, so there could be dozens of worlds where things like starslayers, shoguns and thunder hawks are still kicking around like it's no big deal both in the main body of the inner sphere and in the periphery.
In fact given that the TRO's are in-universe documents and there are less than a hundred of them one must logically assume that there are hundreds, possibly thousands of in-universe TRO's that have not seen IRL publication as rules assets.

>>96010447
All shrapnel is "canon" (insofar as anything published or endorsed by cgl can be called such)

>>96010487
Do you believe that the pride anthology is shrapnel?

>>96010489
Right, there was just the intro by Young and Stackpole stating that it's canon, SSDD

>>96010517
Why bother lying when it takes less than a minute to prove you wrong?

>>96010540
Not proving me wrong.

>>96010540
No one's going to read that and risk being brainwashed into the gay.

>>96010546
You claimed the intro stated it's canon. I posted the intro, which does not do anything of the sort. You have been very thoroughly proven either an idiot who made a mistake or a deliberate liar. Which is it?

>>96010546
Young's second sentence specifically calls the story collection a non-canon fan work.

>>96010557
You'll never trick us into contracring the GAIDS!

>>96010572
No, he calls it a fan work while likening it to the canon.

>>96010582
At best he implies that he wants authors writing this dreck to eventually be writing canon.

>>96010454
Why would that make me angry?
Why are you trying to make me angry?

>>96010572
>>96010582
Exactly, this sort of clever phrasing is used all the time in legally binding contracts to make signees think that a contract protects them or guarantees things that are not part of the deal at all, it takes a certain threshold of IQ in order to recognize the subtlety here. By likening it to the canon while calling it the work of fans without specifically embedding that statement in a denial of canonicity it is left open to argument, and if it is not clear it is not clearly denied.
CGL never released any statement denying that it is canon (IIRC) and there is much debate about wether it is because of this intro, what CGL has done is state that they are very supportive of it and like it a lot, so the intros and that together with the fact that no specific and clear denial has ever been made, are strong arguments that it is viewed as canon.

>>96010602
>Why are you trying to make me angry?
Do you not know where you are?

>>96010612
I'm honestly not sure if this is a a very high IQ trolling, or very low IQ sincerity.

>>96010612
Fanfiction isn't canon.

>>96010447
Young wrote that the clans are racist and sexist.

>>96010625
CGL can always make it clear by simply stating that these works are definitively not Battletech.
But they have not and will not, what they have done and will continue to do, is state that they very much support and appreciate these works.

>>96010612
He says "man, it would be really nice if a story like this was actually canon one day" which would be a really fucking weird thing to say if he considered it canon already.

>>96010629
Not relevant to the pride anthology, so why bring it up?

>>96010632
Do you expect CGL to comment "not canon" on every Battletech post on fanfiction dot net?

>>96010636
That series of words is not present in that introduction.

>>96010640
Its existence and endorsement aligns with a shift in the modern canon writing.
It didn't change battletech, but the writers are.

>>96010640
When the entire community engages in argument over whether something is canon because contracted Battletech authors participated in it and gave it their blessing? Yes.

I think the pride anthology should replace Decision At Thunder Rift as the first thing people get told to read because it would make you guys really mad all the time. I'm gonna start doing this.

>>96010644
I'm very sorry that you can't read, anon. Perhaps you could find assistance at a local community college?

>>96010640
CGL will lawyer up and attack small independent sculptors for infringing on their copyrights for making something that vaguely resembles a CGL product yet will not do anything but praise this unlicensed magazine which is using their copyrighted logo.
That's a very clear endorsement.

>>96010658
You've cited a sentence which appears only in your imagination, you get a fucking education.

>>96010665
Saying something is good doesn't make it canon. No idea where you got that idea.

I remixed the available Shogun STL to reflect the actual loadout instead of the 2xLRM-10 and 2x-MLas that it had for whatever reason.

It's going to be nice when this political fad is effectively dead and exists only in history books and fringe groups, like lobotomies and syndicalists.

>>96010694
Unfortunately, going on the internet and crying about whatever fox news, facebook, or tiktok tells people to get mad about will never fade.

>>96010452
Or more, its never defined for a reason.

>>96010685
What's with the not-fingers

>>96010711
Those are the LRM-15 forearms I found that were closest to the correct profile, the next best option were LRM-20 forearms.

>>96010711
I think the not-fingers are there to fold closed over the missile tubes to keep stuff out of them

>>96010711
There's not many ways one could interpret "unique" except that there's one known to exist in functional condition.

>>96010717
Wouldn't the PGI Zeus forearms be almost identical

>>96010723
IIRC unique in this context means less than 5 extant examples known.

>>96010729
Weirdly, it's also used for the OmniMarauder, even though it was never built.

>>96010726
I should also add that these forearms are not mech-specific, they came out of a weapons pack.
In fact I dislike using the Urbanmech legs too, but I just followed the parts recipe of the STLs creator (who gabbed parts from half a dozen other creators and stuck them together) although I can't find any good set of legs to replace them with that aren't also off another mech.
Feel free to take my base and improve on it if you can, I didn't spend even an hour on it, just wanted a "good enough" file that reflected the the standard variant, or at least any of the listed variants.

>>96010701
Well I don't recall ever seeing anyone in the mainstream seriously argue for(and therefore against) lobotomies in my liftetime. So some things definitely do leave the mainstream discourse and I expect this movement will be one of them.

>>96010729
Which context? On MUL, Unique means less than a dozen ever built, but it doesn't have Unique because it's just not true that there were less than a dozen ever built.

I love the Guillotine. What is ya'lls favorite heavy, Also what is everyone drinking tonight.

>>96010685
PPC looked a little small and shabby so redid that and uploaded the whole thing.

>>96010753
Thud. It Thuds. And beer.

>>96010753
Gotta be the dragon for me. It's not phenomenal, but it just works.
Perhaps appropriately, a cocktail from a Touhou doujin cocktail book. White rum, sweet vermouth, and a splash of campari.

>>96010753
Hard to choose between Thunderbolt and Warhammer.
Raw milk.

>>96010800
Dry vermouth, not sweet.
That's what I get for posting after three cocktails

>>96010753
Hard to top the Orion.

>>96010753
>Favorite heavy
Catapult K2
>Drinking
Diet pepsi

>>96010753
Marauder or Warhammer.

I drank some water & some water with a slice of lemon.

>>96010753

I like the Mad Dog because almost half its mass is weapons.

I'm drinking my brother-in-law's pretty good Scotch.

>>96010734
There was one prototype.

>>96010791
What kind of beer?
>>96010800
>a cocktail from a Touhou doujin
Interesting how is it?

>>96010831
>how is it
Pretty good, if you get a quality rum. It's pretty simple, so it's turned into one of my staples. Most of the other cocktails from the book are either really complicated, or use ingredients that are pretty hard to come by in the states.

>>96010823
The mad dog is one sexy machine.
>I'm drinking my brother-in-law's pretty good Scotch.
Sick, what kind is it?

>All these patrician choices.
Excellent taste my dudes.

>>96010831
Deftones IPA from belching beaver. One of the only IPA I can tolerate and it was on sale at the costco

>>96010854
>Sick, what kind is it?
Caol Ila

I'm 80% sure Ibbought him this bottle anyway.

>>96010753
toss-up between the Thud and Bandersnatch
drinking a local Imperial stout (anyone who says they're a winter-only deal is wrong)

>>96010753
Gotta be either the Black Knight or the Flashman for me.

Is it basically a given that in a BV balanced game between Clans and IS, IS will win nearly all the time?

>>96011241
Not remotely.

>>96011241
>in a BV balanced game between Clans and IS, IS will win nearly all the time?
Pretty much, yes. Having more units and more armor is as near a guarantee of success as anything. You'll hear stories sometimes about a player taking on a company of drac Mechs with a clan star and winning, or playing a BV balanced game with a Mad cat against a whole lance by itself and coming out on top. Those are just lies or bad memories from old people. BV doesn't adequately account for amor or initiative loading, and in an IS v Clan matchup, it's trivial for the IS units to maximize both of those game winning strategies.

>>96011241
Kinda yeah. If your Clanner isn't fielding a lance, odds are good they'd lose unless the IS player but down some real shit boxes

>>96011241
Unless IS player is retarded then yeah the IS will win. Never underestimate the ability to fuck your opponent with triggering near constant PSR's.

Where do I arrange these crits to protect the ammo can while spreading everything out as much as possible?

>>96011471
if I were a cheesy fuck i'd say put the ammo in the head, but not being that way, id' say move the CT SRM over to the right torso to pad it out. I would also move the leg JJs to the LT so that you can full jump out of depth 1 water

>>96011471
Spreading crits within a location does no good because of how re-rolling crits works. It's all about crit padding.

>>96011562
>spreading within location
That's just for ease of rolling and visual spacing. Break everything into d6 blocks. I know putting roll again between jump jets on a location does nothing.

>>96010540
Politics aside, they should be condemned for calling it "top notch writing", this shit was awful. Maybe one story was passable, the rest were incredibly embarrassing garbage that you'd expect to come from a 14 year old.
Saying these people should soon be writing canon is detestable, and a couple admitting they don't even care about battletech is to be expected.

>>96011471
The arrangement of the jumpjets is Wardog-tier hilarious.

Otherwise, what the other guys said. Stack the crits directly like an official sheet. Don't isolate the ammo unless you want a MAD-3R torso bomb.

Personally, I'd put 2 JJ's into each side torso and 1 in the center along with the SRM ammo. Then I'd slap the Launchers and 1 ML in both of the side torsos. That would level it out to look more like an official mech. But maybe the jank is something you want from a lore perspective? This feels very pirate frankenmechy. But in that case I'd swap the 2 ML's for 2MG's+Ammo and load the SRM's with infernos for maximum jank.

RT has 19(r-7) armor and a 1 in 7 chance of hitting the ammo can this way. If the can is destroyed, I'll still have 2 ML's and the Hatchet. And only be down to 5/8/3.

I did move the JJ's. Completely forgot about water.

>>96011590
>jank arrangement
I like some jank. I don't feel right letting my gyro/engine compete with a timebomb in the CT. I'd rather have half the mech blown off than insta killed.

>>96011602
babby design

>>96011602
2 SRM 6's with 1 ton of ammo will run dry long before you have to worry about that. You'll get about 7 turns of fire when 10 is usually about the minimum for an ammo weapon. And a golden BB in the early match will blow the entire thing apart anyway. Don't forget 1 ton of SRM ammo is 90 damage straight to the internal structure. The crit packing is much better in the center torso and the feeds to the launchers are less crazy.

Still, you have fun. I would recommend replacing the hatchet with a club for extra jank and getting you some extra tonnage back to play with.

>>96011621
>trade for club
There's no clubs in introtech except trees/rebar.

>>96011625
Rebar AND shot off mech limbs are excellent clubs in grogtech. Also, just like there are sword-shaped hatchets, there are hatchet-shaped clubs. Remember, all melee weapons classified rules-wise as clubs prior to 3023.

See this awesome axe? Club.

>>96009135
>>96009491
>PokeMech

>>96010395
ACHILLES!!!

>>96010190
>Sure, it's bad, but there's always been people who knew what war was like and wanted more of it for themselves.
Yeah and usually as far from the enemy as they could afford.

I call it the "Minimally viable 3025 melee mech" but that's not a catchy name.

>>96012037
sorry chud but the best melee mechs use kicks, even those with TSM

>>96012112
Your use of this meme format makes me want to uninstall your computer's network adapter drivers.

>>96012112
Yeah the Dracs already figured that out.

>>96011166
I want to like the current BK design, but those vent slits make it look like a Gundam doing the DreamWorks face.

>>96011471
If you showed me this sheet I would laugh at you.

>>96011602
You almost did it, but now you made it super annoying to roll crit checks. I try to avoid lower areas that only have 1 slot in them.

>>96011744
picrel

>>96012037
the short range weapons make 12 heat, and you sink 12. I'd remove the +2 SHS for MOAR GUNZ!!!! (I aim to make +4 heat _minimum_ from a typical running & shooting turn)

>>96012284
>Gundam doing the DreamWorks face.
I don't really understand what that means, but tbf the vents have always been a thing. They just got more prominent over time.

>>96009658
not really

New thread? New thread!
>>96012571

>>96012571

>>96005683
wrong