Thread 96002135

Everything sucks and it only gets worse edition

Previous Heresy: >>95995563

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Tough shit.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Lego© Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
Do you think this is good and are you stupid?

>>96002135 (OP)
It's nice that GW seems dedicated to have everything back to 2nd ed level by november

>>96002164
only way they're keeping up that pace is they had AI write all HH3.0 rulebooks.

>>96002164
Yeah, I can deal with waiting 3 months for rules instead of 2 years. Maybe by then I'll have actually finished my mechanicum (I won't)

>>96002094
Oh boy, what isn't wrong. These are purely observations from playing against SA:
>Infantry can only move 3" and shoot, 6" max firing snap shots. Need a transport to ever reach a objective in time
>No remotely melee capable unit, almost everything folds to even a charging tactical squad, nevermind terminators or a dreadnought
>The only units that do remotely enough damage for their cost/resilience are vanquisher cannon leman russ, and rapiers. Everything else hits like a wet noodle.

tldr: SA barely cannot keep up with damage output of other factions and have no real tools to contest and control objectives.

>>96002135 (OP)
Can we at least acknowledge that this an objective step up from 2.0, or are you retards going to argue that Black Shields not getting rules until the Beta Garmon book was actually a good thing?

>>96002135 (OP)
Legiones Inductii having their own army list is neat. I still maintain that they should be late-war rules as the loyalist mirror of Legiones Hereticus, to show how the character of the legions was permanently changed by flanderising themselves in quickly explaining the most important parts to new recruits.

>>96002190
>I need audiobooks to get through novels
>the only way a team of writers could create multiple rulebooks in several years is if they used AI

>>96002135 (OP)
Honestly I'm shocked we're still getting shattered legions rules. They work perfectly fine as blackshields or as allied detachments, and the last rules they got were a mess

>New edition end of July
>Blackshield rules end of October (allegedly)
So maybe I'll catch the tail end of everybody's interest even if my list will be legal to play right away.

>>96002324
The fuck is wrong with the playerbase there that they lose interest in something within months?!

>>96002284
>They work perfectly fine as blackshields or as allied detachments
You can only take 50% points of allies so that doesnwork very well if you want 3 of them
The 2.0 rules were awful, yea. But these may just be a custom FOC and a few character datasheets. Seems they are toning down the LAs a lot to begin with

>>96002343
If the game isn't fun it isn't fun. Why keep playing? James can make a new edition to make everything different but if people don't feel like reorganizing an entire new army for a stupid set of rules they'll just lose interest.

>>96002143
Yes, but Vanquisher cannons aren't Blast weapons, and so they can't deal with squads of Marines.

>>96002135 (OP)
>TQ
Eh, got an event in august that has annouced their going to stick with 2nd for the event so not really paying attention to the new rules till then, so not really an Issue for me

What you lads working on?
4/5 Command squad done, working on the banner now then onto the praetor before I have do paint 20 assault marines

>>96002217
They've made it clear that on top of a 3 year edition cycle, they are also going to drip feed new stuff monthly, only for you to have to start again in 3 years.

So yeah, nah. It's still gay anon

>>96002272
Sorry bub, WarCom mistake. They've already edited the image in the article to read "Legiones Inductii Rules".

If anything, by the end of the year we will be able to see if its worth updating 2.0 with new units and tweaks or 3.0.

>>96002343
when rules are written by people with 70 IQ and it costs a fortune to participate, communities usually sputter out fast if they ever even get started. GW really shot themselves in the foot with this faggoty 3.0 complete rules rewrite which changes the names of every rule in the game and has total gibberish dictionary length rules segments. They instantly created a game that AOS and 40k players are not going to bother learning every 3 years and nobody is gonna try.

>>96002515
>New Coke, Heresy Edition
>We've listened to your feedback, like you know we love to do!
>We are really going back to the roots of what made The Horus Heresy Age of Darkness game so unique
>Blasts Scatter 2d6, better keep those markers and templates handy, they aren't going anywhere!
>Myriad of other old rules repackaged, some with changes, selling on how they complement what third edition was trying to do
Screenshot this

>>96002094
>We get no AP3 pie plates, everything in the game is AP4 so it melts SA troops but power armor laughs at us
>What should be our elite melee unit is A1 I1
>We have no assault vehicle to at least get the charge bonus on our elite melee unit without getting shot off the board by AP 4.
>Our elite melee unit is Heavy, so even when we win combat you just step back and shoot us.
>Russ only has 1 good turret (a very good one, but still)
>Malcador and Dracosan are so over costed they aren't a good choice if you want a hope of winning
>Return Fire reaction restriction makes it so dreads and infantry chew through our anti-dread (russ and rapiers) w/o worry.
>The vehicle unit rules.
>The WS table.

Those are the big things that need fixing IMO. 3.0 is not looking great either. No more A bonus for charging so unless we get A2 on Veletaris they will be completely useless. No more ID so a tricked out Marshal with Paragon Blade and the Big Dick squad can't stand up to space marine characters and have a shot at winning.

>>96002535
it only worked for coke because they were top-2 drink in the world before the newCoke stunt, they were just losing ground, so they were trying to recapture a huge audience that was leaving.
Most game stores have a pittance or nobody playing HH2.0 anymore (which is understandable with the shitty $140 resin 5mans and out-of-stock stuff and lack of variety), so making HH3.0 super-suck isn't going to suddenly make HH2.0 spring back to raging life, it'll just have people getting rid of their shelved 30k army and buy another video game to play with friends instead.

It wouldn't be a complete surprise if it was true though, marketing and CEOs really are dumb fuckers, so maybe they were too stupid to see the differences between cocacola's situation and a GW specialist game.

>>96002578
Well 3.0 does clearly have a lot more time and money invested into it. Just look at the fact that almost all libers are released at the same time, and don't have more than half the shit just be copy-pasted over from 1.0 despite not really fitting with the new core rules. If HH 2.0 really hadn't sold at least reasonably well, GW would have had no issue with putting it on bare bones life support like TItanicus, or pulling the plug entirely like with Aeronautica. At least to me 3.0 has more indications of being a rushed attempt at capitalising on a popularity GW didn't expect, than a last desperate hail mary attempt to keep the game afloat.

>>96002535
all they have to do to mainstream the game is replace $140 5man boxes with $70 10-man plastic boxes full of tons of accessories and guarantee each new HH kit release will get 40k-legal non-legends rules for 3 years minimum, with all HH and HH-crossover units rules being available in free digital form (softcover magazine-style prints available for $10 printing cost for people who hate digital)

The 30k scene in my state entirely died the second tanks and contemptors stopped being 40k legal, suddenly no reason to buy HH units when there's no security of them being able to be used for an actual alive 40k system or resellable to 40k players later.

Instead, they leave all the ovepriced boxes, they stick with dozens of overpriced printed shitty rulebooks, they keep it separated from 40k which guarantees no life and they change shit for no reason whatsoever just to be dumb fucking morons. Gullible dumbfucks are saying "look they released 30 webpages for the new game and are trying to sell you so many books, that means they're interested in you!" no, on the things the game needs, that's the lowest down the list. We don't need any webpages and we do need all rules to be free instead of this bullshit. What difference does it make if you only have to wait 6 months for your army's rules? It's still a shitty 3 year game so buying codexes for it is retarded.

>>96002642
And yet 40kfags will buy the new codex for their army with a new edition only a month and a half away to continue playing that dogshit game.

>>96002535
new edition strategy is very simple.

>Have certain things be deliberately OP like riptides/contemptor dread/thammer termies etc
>unOP them next edition
>OP some new shit
>Unfuck some old features like deepstrike being swingy as fuck
>Fuck up some new features like deepstrike now being useless
>repeat every 3 years.

>>96002642
I'm sorry to say but if your 30k scene died when tanks stopped being 40k legal, you never really had a 30k scene

>>96002198
We already know the Rifle sections will be moving a full 6" and still shooting with the changes to heavy so thats one problem solved at least.

Sad to know we're definitely losing cohort doctrines tho. penal cohorts with bayonets swinging at S5 on the charge was fun.

>>96002892
There is no way they remove the cohorts, it would make SA so boring.

>>96002537
There are upsides too.
>way less WS5 so Veletarii will hit more things consistently.
>With how vehicles look to be panning out a russ could get a lot tougher.
>heavy weaponry changes mean lasrifle sections move has effectively doubled.
>blasts are less swingy now.
>definitely getting plastic Charonites at some point.
Auxilia will probably end up better in 3.0 than they were in 2.0, if only because it would be hard to be worse than 2.0 Auxilia.

>>96002763
anon, there will be winners and losers every edition
that's how rule changes work, crazy

I wonder if the changes to Heavy means militia might get to take heavy weapon teams inside normal infantry squads again

>>96002987
You'll get nothing, why do you keep fooling yourself?

>>96002986
Its deliberate my guy.

The rules writers and playtesters aren't actually incompetent morons, things like 2.0 lascannons and contemptors being straight under priced for how good they are is something that would have been immediately obvious as soon as they started testing, but some suit just says to leave the points cost as is so people buy more, so that's how it goes.

>>96002913
they didn't have cohorts in 1e and aux were actually fun to play

>>96003009
what purpose does it serve a company?
they are not charging more for lascannons, they are not charging more for contemptors
thanatars were amazing in 1.0 and they continued to be amazing in 2.0

>>96003016
NTA, but they did release the new plastic kit with 2.0 though, and folks might not have had as many contemptors in 1.0. I expect it will have helped shift stock.

>>96003039
the plastic kits which were cheaper and more convenient than the resin ones?
there is certainly probably a better margin on them but they were also a net positive for consumers even before rules

Thoughts on a quick and fast of my isstvann surviors army fluff?
>Sallies pyroclasts group that slowly become consumed with hatred and the annhilation of the traitors
>Iron Hand immortals group that relise that surviving another day is important to ensure everything they built with Ferrus is for waste
>Tiny raven guard squad that try their best to keep everyone working togerther and alive by taking the brunt of the interlegion frustration, while also working tirelessly to gather intel.
I'm a bit worried about the subversion of how the legions generaly acted during the heresy, but i just thought i'd try and have a bit of hopeful fluff for mydudes.

>>96003016
Anon, are you serious?
They are a model company. They want to sell more models.
Make model better in game = more stinky nerds buy them, and in greater quantity = GW makes more money.

Next ed, model numbers of that model are saturated with your consumers, so you make the next thing OP which everyone then buys. This isn't some kind of mind blowing secret conspiracy, its business.

>>96003055
I'm not going to read even those three sentences.

>>96003055
>istvaan survivors
Into the trash, play a real legion

>>96003062
then why did they make plastic tech thralls when they're shit?
why did they make predators when they're shit?
why did they not make plastic phalanx warders when they're the most busted unit in the game?
never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetency

Post yer shit. I’m almost done w my 3k LI army and will post more when complete, but here are some tasty tidbits. 1/3:

2/3:

>>96003079
bitchin'

3/3:

>>96003075
Anon actually what are you talking about?

Why would they NOT make them in plastic?

Resin is expensive and time consuming to make, has far more QC issues, and ultimately means they can sell far lower volumes.

The whole push to make HH a mainline game and sell it in plastic is because plastic is cheap to make in large volumes, is more average consumer friendly (easier to work with, cheaper, doesn't kill you if you're an 8 year old without a mask).

They want everything in plastic, but as for why no plastic warders, its because they are focusing on generic units that everyone can/will buy, vs legion specialty units that a far lower percentage of their customers will buy.

This is not rocket science dude.
Every action they take is ultimately for the purpose of making money, because they're a public company and thats literally what they're paid to do.

They want as much shit in plastic as possible because it makes them more money.

>>96003095
>they make specific units good just to sell them
ok then why did they not make all the new plastic models extremely good ruleswise?
your logic is retarded

>>96003064
>>96003069
These responses make me feel like i'm doing the right thing.

>>96003095
NTA, but making shit in plastic is incredibly expensive up front cost, so why was the majority of the new plastic kits in 2.0 dogshit if they needed to recoup that massive initial cost and use rules to sell models.

>>96003095
If units being good drives sales then why would you rerelease a unit and also make them worse in the game at the same time?

>>96003101
You are. I refuse to take part in your enjoyment, I don't want that from you.

>>96003099
GW outsmarted their average 12 year old brain customer by releasing each new kit as underpowered for the first patch period, then a year later they make ethem overpowered so they must be purchased or the army is weak. It's genius - it makes retarded children say "the game's not pay-to-win see on day 1 it wasn't overpowered!" while the game is literally pay-to-win as if you don't keep purchasing the rebalanced-new-units after their update patch, then you're handicapping yourself and won't win tournaments.

>>96003079
Here's a picture of my new Leman Russ for my auxilia. I decided to give this the exterminator load out in the Vain hope that in 3.0 I have a reason to use something other than the vanquisher.

>>96003118
contemptors literally have not changed since they were released in plastic, you're schizoing out

>>96003111
Well then i hope you also find enjoyment in something of your one.

>>96003118
Anon this isn't 40k, bad units were bad the entirety of 2.0.

>>96003099
>>96003106
Fuck have you people never looked at how GW market and sell their products in the last 15 years?

Yes plastic has a high capital cost, but its plastic. They sell in volume. Resin forgeworld shit has always been small potato volume compared to plastic 40k shit.

They took the plunge into plastic 30k because clearly they are confident they can sell large volumes to make it worth it.

As for 'why don't they make every single plastic kit OP', have you actually thought about what you're saying? If everything is OP, nothing is.
But guess what, plenty of kits are going to sell well no matter what.

Everyone buys tactical squads etc.
But if they make 20 different kits OP or whatever, then people will just buy a variety of everything and not improve sales...
They make a few things OP to drive sales of them SPECIFICALLY, so they can change rules later, changing the FOTM, making the same customers buy some new kit(s) to stay meta or competitive or whatever.

Its a simple business model, and one that relies on rules churn, hence the funny 3 year rule cycle. They want WAAC players because they'll keep buying things they want them to buy.

>>96003131
Don't tell me what to do

>>96003140
>make only two units OP
>they cannot keep them in stock
>thus they are losing out on profit
huh?

>>96003140
Plenty of shit thats been good in 2.0 is still good tho?

>>96003165
what do you mean 'still good'? 3.0 isn't out yet, unless you have leaks I don't anon.

>>96003162
>guy in charge of release cycle is not the same people in charge of logistics or production
huh?

>>96003171
Here's a question, if we're doing this churn cycle then why are the new Saturnine termies that we have seen the datasheets of so shit and overpriced?

I won't deny that GW probably does some balance changes specifically to push new models but you have to understand that this doesn't prevent the rules writers from being retards who don't know how to balance.

Both statements can be true anon.

>>96003171
oh so GW is incompetent got it

>>96003183
?? Anon please read. They are not going to, and physically cannot make everything OP and magically have huge sales volumes of every kit.

Contemptors are really strong in 2.0, and have had great sales, hence literally selling out multiple times.
If they remain very strong/undercosted in 3.0, then everyone that already has contemptors is happy, since they don't need to buy anything new.
But if [insert whatever unit here] is the new hotness and contemptors are reined in, then many of those consumers are gonna buy that new kit.

If the rules were very well balanced and didn't change every 3 years, they'd firstly have far lower book sales from the dozen different books that have rules in them, but also many players will be happy to just keep using their existing army. By changing up the meta, it strongly encourages people to buy new stuff.

I am genuinely surprised you guys are shilling for GW and don't believe they do things to drive sales like this. 3 year rule cycle is not because they are trying to make a stable, well balanced game. Its because a new edition means they sell more shit.

>>96003184
ok

>>96003183
You can't really judge saturnine terminators against 2.0 units. They could be dog awful or OP as shit for their points cost, but we have very little to compare it to yet.

>>96003009
Ah yes, that is why standard sicarans and basically all vehicles that got shiny, brand new plastic kits were complete garbage for all of 2.0. That was entirely deliberate, because GW didn't want people to buy more of the new plastic models.

>>96003212
>Units that got plastic models which were good support my delusions, GW made them OP to drive sales
>Units that got plastic models which are trash also support my delusion, because actually GW doesn't want to sell new plastic models that require a huge upfront investment and only start making profit after high volume sales
>Everybody who points any of the numerous points that completely disprove my delusions is a corporate shill!
Take your meds, schizo.

>>96003223
Considering the krios lightning cannon is gonna blow chunks out of saturnine terminator units on any 5+ to wound, the prospects aren't looking too bright.

>>96003269
>doesn't read and completely misses the point of what is being said
Victory achieved, lets pack it up

>>96003289
>Repeatedly ignores counter arguments
>Claims victory
I should know better than to reply to mentally ill people online.

>>96003286
Hey maybe krioses will be 400 points a pop this time, you never know

>>96003286
remember that saturnine have a 4+ invuln
so there's only like a successful breach if you hit 6 on average

Now that we have a lot more rules, is it still looking like "spam tacticals" edition?

>>96003323
Even costing 400 points they'd still have a good shot at earning back their points shooting at a full saturnine terminator squad for a couple of turns lmao

why can't they just release all of the rules at once with the new edition
why drag out five months after release for zm
i hate this drip feeding key jingling so much bros

>>96003343
You fool, it's always been spam tacticals.

>>96003355
all the primary factions are getting their rules
better than 2e where you had to wait a year for mech and solar aux too

>>96003079
Plugging away on a “Rifle” Tercio. And am being reminded why I hate painting skin over a black base basecoat.

Just some cleanup left on these guys and I can finally start the red, but honestly the stark white look is kind of interesting I might use it on the assault veterans down the line (a sign that they're the "purified" Imperial heralds).

>>96003355
You children wouldn't have survived in HH 1.0

>>96003362
I can accept the 2.0 wait for mech and sa due to them tooling up the lines for plastics but almost everything they have roadmapped here already have models

>>96003212
I did not say that GW don't try and do this sort of rules churn shit, I just don't proscribe them with the same reverence you seem to. I've been hearing these conspiracy theories since I started Warhammer back in 40k 5th and Since that Time I've seen GW consistently fail to measure up to it.

It does work out for them sometimes but they also often completely bungle it, I honestly think they've bungled the 3.0 launch box. You give them too much credit.

>>96003355
because they have four other main-game systems to promote and make models for and half a dozen minor-game systems too

if you just dump all your product at once and fill up your stores nobody buys it all because they haven't got the money right there and then and by the time they do it's been shelfwarming for months, costing you money to have it there

in the meantime you've killed interest in your other systems because your shelfwarmers were blocking their release and clogging up your production floor so nobody could even order it online when your stocks ran out in an economy which expects just-in-time production

Do you idiots really not realize the drip feed is just a way for them to fill "release slots" with other content so they can use their meager slice of their production time to try (and fail) to build up a stockpile. You can bet your ass that the saturnine models are going to release separately with the saturnine tactica at the end of Q3 and the Fellblade and Glaive with the superheavy tactica and the end of Q4.

>>96003367
I really wish we got more than one troop choice in the Auxilia but I have no idea what we would even put there other than lasrifle sections.

I could see a shotgun section for zone mortalis but thats what the Veletarii are supposed to do with their volkite and flamers.

Very tempted to get the saturnine box for the mk2 praetor and 20 of the mk2 marines and sell of the rest, but idk if I'll be able to break even because I think everyone will have the same idea

>>96003412
Same. Penal Pattern (my beloved) let you slice things up a bit. Painting so I can continue to believe it’ll still be in the game and not think that I’ve wasted a lot of time.

>>96003396
thats kinda when they started this shit desu, maybe even 4e.
Previous to that, GW was very hobby friendly. Armies were small, people were heavily encourages to convert and kitbash, everyone got a free pony etc.

Some time around 4th or 5th, GW became more corporate and started pushing model sales more and more.
Army sizes got larger as they had a general strategy of just making everything cheaper points wise and more expensive dollars wise.
They slowed and eventually stopped officially supporting conversion/scratch building (previously they would literally show you in codexs example of how you could scratch build or convert shit, and step guides).

I don't think its some evil super villan conspiracy, its just basic business that they improve sales by maintaining ongoing demand. Unbalanced but frequent rule refreshes keep up sales because there's always new shit to buy.
Like its not a coincidence that they do funny things like release weapon kits where funny thunder hammers and power lances are generally stronger options but they have half the number of weapons per kit than weaker shit.

But yes, of course they can do lots of incompetent shit as well as deliberate scummy shit.

>>96003055
I think it's a fine idea. It's similar to stories of that exact composition. It's the essence of shattered legions. I say go for it if you like it.

>>96003412
Daily reminder SA used to have flamer squads as basic troops and you could lump them in a funny dracosian with demo cannon.

These were the absolute funniest units in the list, such a shame they murdered it.

>>96003055
Pretty bog-standard desu.

>>96003508
>thats kinda when they started this shit desu, maybe even 4e.
fuck off, they've been doing this since the start

RT was literally three secret editions because they overhauled so much before second

every month WD would come out with a new complete army list or a new way of resolving melee or whatever the fuck and you just had to roll with it AND at the same time the entire model line was being constantly refreshed and updated to drive sales

Those new wallpapers are kinda neat desu

>>96003769
And mobile.

>>96003769
where can i find the rest?

>>96003055
With the new FOC and allies rules shatterred legions are going to be easy to pull off even without dedicated rules, and you'll get legion specific stuff with the HQ tax.

>>96002642
The single. biggest. Revival of the wargaming wolr dfor us was 3D print.

When printing 3 titans and 6K points of marines cost less than 2 box of said marines, people can play many different games.

Why are people dooming over 3rd edition. Can people paint their space marines using minority skin colors like black and brown in 3.0?

>>96004432
unironic 2e tourists who are mad their FotA lists will get shitcanned by a melta squad

How do you go about building your HQs and making them stand out from the rank and file (or at least squad leaders)?

Even looking through STLs for inspiration I'm not really getting anything.

>>96004435
>>96004432
I'm pretty confident my termite list is shit canned by James, which has me disappointed.
Fluffy and fun, and with only 1 deep strike per turn I can't get my entire army on by the end of the game, with what we've seen.

>>96003596
>>96003510
>It's similar to stories of that exact composition
oh really, i don't really read BL, what books have stories like that?

>>96004489
Do what WG does. Give them a tactical rock. Alternatively remove their helmets.

>>96004520
I play Alphas, so make sure hats stay on, but the rock isn't a terrible idea.
I guess I'll play around with a squad builder, thanks anon.

>>96004489
unique weapon, no helmet or special helmet, better paint job, more details on the base

>>96004489
part of the problem is 30k puts characters on the same base sizes as redshirt nobodies.

A primarch doesn't ever belong on a 40mm base like a single common terminator trooper. 50mm is the very barest minimum, and 60mm like mortal primarchs use in 40k would be best.

>>96003079
Got some bits so got the skeleton of my sallie praetor built, still have to buffer out the former IF iconography and greenstuff some scale stuff
>>96003367
Cool stuff anon. I'm working on some Saturnyne Rams but I'm the slowest painter in the world so I'm still basecoating.

>>96004499
there's going to be an exception for drills and drop pods
screenshot this

>>96003009
This has been debunked times and times again. GW is simply too incompetent to know how its games work. For every situation were you have a new kit with strong as fuck rules you have a 9th edition dark Eldar situation, where Dark Eldar were the strongest army in the game by far but GW was refusing to sell every strong unit they had, making it a fortune for recasters, 3d printers and similar.

>>96004499
Guarantee this guy unlocks extra deep strikes

>>96004583
his weapon arm seems quite long, like it reaches beyond the knee. In that posture (high stance) the hand should end above mid thigh, only in a deep stance the hand reaches the knee.

Also: tactical pancake?

>>96002135 (OP)
Atleast it isn't as bad as last edition, I guess...

>>96004583
Not sculpting any flames and crossed hammers on him?

>>96002811
Yup. The "business reasons" behind separating out their ranges so aggressively are dumb as fuck, but if it kills all the "30K communities" that were just momentarily bored 40K paypiggies wiping their arse with 30K by basically using the army lists as a 40K expansion then it's the best idea GW's had in a long time. Fuck tourists, 40Kiddies Go Home.

>>96004489
You model and paint to make them stand out, anon.

>Accent colour on a cape/crest/banner
>Fancy weapon
>Fancy armour
>Elevated
>Well thought out pose/composition

Just everything (you) do in the hobby, but the extra bit of love for the fancy dude.

>>96004510
Literally all of them. The entire Shattered Legion plotline is
>Le Heckin Ebin Wholesome Chungus Sallies are acting le scary now! The stoic reserved Iron Hands have gone CWAAAAAAAAZZZEEE! Writer's favourite the Raven Faggots must step in and teach them both the Meaning of Friendship and How To Actually Fight Wars The Proper Tacticool Way!

Mods are asleep, post HQs

>>96004872
Yummy looking Ironchads, Anon.

>>96003410
That doesn't apply here because we're talking about factions that GW clearly believes are such a small portion of their consumer base that they only need basic digital-only rules with no model support. If they actually are going to refresh the Talons model range sure, there's a justification for giving them Get You By rules and then holding back on a full Liber, but everything else we're waiting for either *are* basically just Get You By rules because those factions don't merit more, or they're an important game mode that should really be in the rulebook.

I mean for real, if their objective was to spread out content to maximise sales and avoid saturation, you really believe the best way to do that is to hold back fucking *Blackshields* rather than SAux or Mech?

>>96003761
That's not even remotely the same you disingenuous shit. RT was practically written collaboratively with the community, the reason they kept revising it was *fans* wrote in describing issues or solutions or suggestions and they rewrote things to include them. The whole point OF 2nd edition was to make a "definitive 40K" from the Studio's perspective after those years of scrappier, back & forth development. It was hobbyists who happened to work at a small company conversing with hobbyists who didn't in order to create and improve a game they all played for fun, not the top-down corporatized FOMO-stoking bullshit that started creeping in during the latter years of Kirby's reign and now have fully taken over the corporate culture. Eat a turd you bootlicking faggot.

>>96004520
I hate the way April Fool - already the most annoying and pointless holiday ever conceived by man - has now basically turned into corporations going
>Haha! Hey u guise, you know that thing, that thing you all mock and deride us for that we could easily change with basically no effort or cost to us? That one haha? Yeah we're gonna keep not changing it, but look, we made a funnanay about it on social meeja! Haha ain't we hip and funkay fellow kids?

Murder all social media interns. Burn all middle managers at the stake. Carpet bomb all marketing departments. Wipe out these demons and the world would be at least 7% better the next day even if we didn't address a single other issue in society.

>>96004872
Man I wish I could paint as fast as you. Been stuck with the same dudes all month.

>>96004962
>I hate the way April Fool - already the most annoying and pointless holiday ever conceived by man - has now basically turned into corporations going. Murder all social media interns. Burn all middle managers at the stake. Carpet bomb all marketing departments. Wipe out these demons and the world would be at least 7% better the next day even if we didn't address a single other issue in society.

You need to relax, anon. If minor things like this bother you, you might be literally on edge. I remember the times when I used to walk for, like, 10 km per day and eat more or less healthy—nothing could get me. Now I'm sitting behind a computer 24/7 and eating sugary things all day, and something catches me having rage flashes when reading ragebait news.

>>96005040
wtf is text corrector doing? Jeez.

>>96004946
All true and based
Corporate bootlickers can eat shit

>>96005051
as a shareholder I like corporate bootlickers

>>96002135 (OP)
It's bullshit, Blackshields, Inductii and Shattered legions could easily have been shoved into the Legiones Astartes Libers.

Work continues on a custom heresy ruleset with the guys at my LGS. Aim as always is to make rules as concise and intuitive as possible with as few keywords as possible.

>>96004983
I just use the power of autism, and a really strict process. I've got 2 kids and a partner at home, a full time job and this dumbass hobby is basically what I'll be doing in any off time I've got - for the 1 hour after the kids have gone to sleep before my own bedtime, I'll do some spraying, in the 30 minutes before i leave for work I'll apply some oils and to remove when I get home because it'll dry in the meantime, etc. Squeezing bits in is the only way I get anything done.

>>96005082
Great discipline

>>96004872

Here’s my Warsmith

>>96004872
Still a wip but mostly done

>>96005141
Nice. Here's one of mine

>>96005141
>>96005319
And the other one

>>96005066
this some sort of bait

>>96005066
This might actually be the worst fucking custom ruleset I have ever seen
Actually kill yourself you waste of oxygen

Got a 1000 point game. Need to add a ranged weapon to the Siege Breaker, but I think this is what I'll settle on - what do we think?

>>96004432
I'm not. It looks like it will be a better game once you digest the rules and the army building.

>>96004432
It moves the game more towards modern 40k. If I wanted to play modern 40k I would just play 40k.

>>96005082
looking sharp. where can i find that head though?

>>96005066
Thank you for reminding me that even though GW's rules writers are bad, it could have been even worse.

>>96005504
At this point 40k derangement syndrome should be officially recognised as a mental disorder.

>>96004872
Hammerchad with the boys

>>96005082
I'm in the same boat chief, your work is highly motivational

Suck GW's cock enough and you too might have oodles of monetizable content ready to go at 0:00. Beat the rush and the honest reviews of product bought out of pocket now!

>>96005686
Macca buy an ad

>>96004872
Chaplain on Jetbike

>>96005686
Bro it's literally their job. Props to them if they can make it easier to understand the godawful rulebook.

I hope to god we get more substantial liber information soon because I am fucking exhausted with the uncertainty and suspense. Awful expectations management from the initial warcom messages and "Horus Hearsay" debacle. I just want to build comfy army lists and toys representing the absolute horrors of galactic civil war

>>96005720
"It's their job" isn't a stellar defense of being lied to your face about how good something is, from a position of apparent impartiality.

Where's the Solar Auxilia article?

it's over, HH3.0 cancelled

>>96005686
Nobody is going to play your fuckass 2.5 edition macca give it a rest

>>96005686
>Largest 30k channel that hosts international events with beautiful tables and armies
>Know to criticize GWs poor decisions openly on channel, namely on rules balance
>House rules many things
>GW sends them stuff ahead of time as it is a prime marketing opportunity no matter how you slice it
>iS tHiS sUcKiNg GW cOcK?
massive kek

>>96005756
I will happily watch their battle reports and judge for myself. The fact that they've gained exclusive monetisable content is besides the point - if the content is something that I want to watch then good. We're not all fucking retards that need someone to tell them if something is good or not

>>96005686
Also if you are actually macca then get a grip. Reflect on your life choices

>>96004872
Have a Warmonger

>>96005834
Owari da

>>96005834
It's over

>>96005526
Praevian
>>96005623
Cheers anon

>>96005857
eh nobody was using battlecannons anyway

>>96005834
I can't find Charonite Ogryns on the store, are they getting plastic next

>>96005885
Anon they're on the cover of the liber of course they're plastic next

>>96005834
>with Basilisk and Medusas’ main guns clocking in at Ranged Strength 10 when they remain stationary
>We stopped moving, you have permission to fire the Fine China(TM)

>>96005857
>Ap3 if it doesn't move
Yay
>Small blast
Nay

>>96005834
Yesterday someone asked if SA is going to get AP3 Blasts. Literally a simple stationary Leman Russ with 14 frontal armor has that, with D2, holy shit.

>>96005891
>pie plate large blast
Is this a blast marker joke? If so that's actually hilarious

>>96005894
>>Small blast
isn't everything small blast since 2.0, except super heavies?

>>96005834
Hell yeah let's go

Truthfully I can't say I fully understand how the cohort doctrine shit is working now; I've been reading it over and over and my brain isn't processing the info currently, but just the confirmation they're still there, and that the one I wanted specifically (line sentinels) are still there? Along with options for legiones auxilia that's now been expanded to change the reactions for each one? Straight upgraded battlecannons? Perfection. Feel much more comfortable slowly building up my army now, thanks GW.

>>96005066
Low effort bait...

>Space marines can't shoot lascannons anymore lol

>>96005834
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/tco7zcqb/faction-focus-solar-auxilia/

I like S10 Medusa, as it is supposed to be. But those cucks didn't feel necessary to tell the difference between Medusa and Basilisk and if we get Phosphex back.

Any Era of Ruin pdfs floating around? As much as the End and the Death was a slog, I do think there were a couple of moments that captured the ethos of the setting very well.

>>96005857
>AP 3 when stationary
>D2 so fuck your legion veterans
If these aren't comically overcosted this time around with vanquishers being only +5 points, there might be a chance.

>>96005907
nta but nah, for example ES and medusa had large blasts in 2.0

>>96005907
>.t nogames

>>96005936
There was a gofile link posted a few threads back, dunno if it's still up.
Liked era of ruin more than the end and the death. Not all short stories are that good, but at least they don't overstay their welcome. If you ask me, most side plots should have been removed from the end and the death, made shorter, and added to era of ruin.

>>96005926
>Truthfully I can't say I fully understand how the cohort doctrine shit is working now;

You take a command section
That command section unlocks a specific auxiliary detachment
Units taken into that detachment benefit from cohort doctrines

For example
You take a Line Command Section
The Line Command Section buff Line units, and unlocks the Infantry Tercio Auxiliary Detachment, which has slots for lasrifle sections and Dracosan.
Any lasrifle section and Dracosan taken in that detachment gets the Line Cohort Tactics ability

>>96005040
Not everyone is a spiritual woman anon, we don't need to live like a monk and eat like a rabbit just to maintain control of our emotions. Also it seems like your sugary diet and physical inactivity have also had an impact on your cognitive abilities, since you seem to have lost the capacity to recognise or grasp hyperbole.

>>96005928
>if we get Phosphex back.
I think that can happen since we can have AP2 D1 weapons now. They won't kill tougher 2w+ units but can fuck up normal infantry. Phosphex is fluffy and has a niche without being overpowered.

>>96005834
>mfw I bought 60 Eisenkern for my RG last month
>Was already planning on using Satty Dread for TS because the army is 99% infantry atm
>Love me thunder hammer jump pack characters since the Raid on Kastorel-Novem Imperial Armour
3.0 hopium increases by the day

>>96005055
I inherited a little chunk of money from my granny when I was a teenager and I was allowed to invest it how I liked - I sincerely wish I had ignored the "sensible" financial advisor twat and put it all in GW stock rather than a tracker fund. Not only would I have made more money up to this point, but it'd be a lot easier to be sanguine about GW shitting itself to death from a hobbyist perspective if them doing it was also making me filthy rich.

>>96005993
>Not everyone is a spiritual woman anon
>spiritual woman
The fact that you know about this word is a telling

>>96005834
>Cohort Update probably means Iron Pattern is dead…

>>96005988
Guess we can only hope the tercios are big enough to fit the number of units you need
As it stands you only get 5 using the crusade detachment and that's if you don't pick anything else
(3+1 for high command and HQs, 2 for prime advantages)

>>96005988
I see, that was what I was thinking but I guess I'm just used to thinking I'm wrong, cheers anon. I'm just curious about what slots the command sections will fill up technically. My gut instinct tells me it's obviously gotta be the command slots but something just feels off about that for some reason, maybe my head is still stuck in 2.0 thinking too much

>>96005857
> Let make people play fuck fuck games with mandatory 2" spacing again if they DARE to want to play massed infantry instead of min tacticals in a rhino like (EXTREMELY SHIT) 1st edition
Hmmm I'm thinking this edition will be shit

Ah, I see we are still making non marine faction tanks completely useless into 19/22 factions in the game, then still trying to sell the expensive as fuck models.

>>96005810
I mean this does mean that SN has sold out.
They are going to have a gag on them and any criticism they say is going to be muted or pre approved by GW.
I'm honestly sad it's come to this.

>>96006070
Saying this while the Scorpius exists in 2.0 is very funny

>>96006070
>>96006081
The duality of man

>>96006085
Sorry I didn't realize those were 72" range on a vehicle with front armor 14 that could be easily spammed including as a line or troop type as well as being D2 (so FNP will be even harder to save).

>>96006081
>Heavy (AP)

it'll still smash up Predators head-on 1/12 without being damaged in return

>all this bitching about tanks
>when all it takes 10 missile launchers shooting them once and they're useless for the rest of the game (have fun rolling a 6 lol!)

>>96006009
>is a telling
Mmm yes good morning saar indeedings that anon is a fooling man, it is needful that you are putting him in his place saar.

>>96006097
Why would you need to spam when a squadron of 2 picks up any T:4 unit in the game that dares leave cover?

>>96006109
>10 explosions blinding a tank through a combo of secondary smoke and knocking out cameras is better from a gameplay perspective than a single(1) HEAT missile penetrating the hull and exploding where all the ammo, crew, computers, and engine are.
Truly a thinking mans edition

>>96006115
>Mmm yes good morning saar
ah shut up idiot. im not going to fix shit because of your mental illness.

>>96006138
squadrons are gone pookie :)

>>96006152
I’m talking 2.0

>>96006097
>Sorry I didn't realize those were 72" range
48" is range: board anyways
>on a vehicle with front armor 14
You hid them behind walls
>that could be easily spammed
You could take 4 of them and still have room for a HSS lascannon squad
>including as a line or troop type
Literally does not matter
>As well as being D2 (so FNP will be even harder to save).
Scorpius was s8 so you didn't even fucking get one

Play a game for once in your pathetic life I beg of you

>>96006155
2.0 is dead homie. long live 3.0

>>96006160
Why are both players using unfinished models

>Basilisk and Medusas’ main guns clocking in at Ranged Strength 10 when they remain stationary.
>S10
Is that because they are going to have Ordnance or because they are going to have S10 by default?

Evade is a move? I forgot, is there no Shrouded (5+) reaction?

>>96006167
Because they are cucks, The only "finished" models are the horus and sangy (which i painted xd)

Have some beautiful world eaters as apology for showing the "tabletop" men

>>96006176
I always forget how big that dragon is

>>96006172
They removed the shroud,

Renamed withdraw/advance to evade.

>>96006172
>evade

>>96005894
Safe then to assume vehicles don't ignore heavy anymore
Do you guys think they'll still count as stationary if they move half their movement?

>>96006176
I don't remember when dragons attacked a world eaters force while they battled space wolves

>>96006190
FUCK WRONG PAGE

>>96006176
Apology accepted, although FFS has no one in your club heard of a wash

>>96006168
Earthshakers are Str 9, so it will be heavy (str)

>>96006189
sorry misspoke, renamed to reposition, evade is an advanced thingy here

>>96006168
I would assume Str 9 by default with Heavy (S)

>>96006081
>AP4
Grim. Dark eve-
>Heavy (AP)
>>96006168
Wait, what's the relationship between Heavy and Ordnance? Meltaguns are neither and they also double a stat (Damage)

>>96005834
I'm glad to see they made the battlecannon better, its currently functionally useless but at AP3 standing still it can threaten veterans now.

Still a small blast of course but they were never going to give us back our 5" death machine. If the base russ body got a points cut I could see people using weapons other than the vanquisher.

>>96006196
The dragon was anothe runfinished thing (his whole army is multicoloured eye sore)

The world eaters are fucking gorgeous.
The IF look solid too.
Think My RG are decent too

Rest are tabletop/slapchop heroes

>>96006189
>>96006190
>>96006195
Stop gaslighting me lmao
Aww I did like the old Evade. Felt like a super Go To Ground, which in turn made me want to have old GtG still.
The ones being shot-at, duck. Sounds reasonable. Old overwatch came back better as Volley Fire (with improved snapshots); maybe Go to Ground could have a place in the game.
Anons do hate reactions, but GtG and Jink were there in 7E and maybe earlier

>>96006199
>>96006202
>>96006203
ES and Medusa had Ordnance in HH2.
In HH3, Heavy adds +X to a characteristic, and Ordnance doubles a characteristic (or changes AP to AP2) if you didn't move in the previous movement phase. So I think they kept Ordnance and wonder about which characteristic is doubled or which gun changed to AP2 (which I think can happen to Medusa).

>>96006224
only pic of the IF i have

>>96006160
I just noticed those cataphractii are missing the top plate to their shoulder pads and the bottom plate is painted as if it's intentional...

>>96006242
>AP2 Medusa
Everyone feared it, it allowed non-marines to be relevant even against Custodes. No way they bring it back

>>96006242
>ES and Medusa had Ordnance in HH2.
They did, but Ordnance can be any stat, and I see no reason they'd make it Str over the rest.
Also, Str 5 Earthshaker would just be stupid.

>>96006081
Retard go home and don’t come back.

>>96006249
They are unfinished, think he painted them in sub assemblies.

Here are my RG as an apology (pre-basing)

>>96006084
>gag order
Lol, lmao even. Channels that get advance copies still criticize GW. Sometimes nicely, sometimes not. Listen, SN is a business. They were begging for funds for a new studio in videos with about $1k of models used as terrain wreckage on camera. They will always do what is best for the business.

>>96006254
>No way they bring it back
In a world of HH1 with instant death from big S weapons and most units having 1W—sure, that would be a disaster. But now, in HH3, I can see Medusa being S10 AP2 D1 or something.

Daily "is this herohammer" post

>now a 2+ armour save
major GOON energy

>>96006081
>I want my AP3 5" blasts back REEEEE.
Battlecannon is supposed to be a jack of all trades gun, its looking like this variant might actually be able to fulfil that roll now.

>>96006291
plastic when

>>96006254
God I want it back, I don't care if they nerf the shit out of its Strength just give me back the AP2 blast.

>>96006314
never

>>96006268
As a fellow RG player, I absolve you of any sin-by-proxy. My group is also exceptionally slow to paint but still lovable. Have a terrible phone post as a sign on comradeship. What are you going to base them?

>>96005834
holy shit

>>96005424
I think adding Sunder on a S5 Poisoned weapon doesn't do much. Same as adding a WS5 model on an artillery unit.
But at 1000 pts it's not like one can afford a deathstar and the rest of the army both

>>96006290
1hq2troopsOPunitspamhammer GOOD
hqhammer BAD

>>96006342
I went basic, did some texture, then 3 red pigments for a "mars" looks. Originally wanted to do istvaan 5 themed bases but the black on black was shit.

Painted the rims black once they were varnished aswell.

Its a shame 80% of my play group just dont care for "fully painted" like we did a huge 6v6 4K fully painted, known since January to be ready. (most these people had the armies pre 2.0) and some of them still couldnt finish a 4k force.... Sadens me deeply

>>96006342
Not normally a fan of the red deliverers (especially not the one GW put in the Exemplary battle) but those deliverers are actually pretty good.

>>96006291
>Not as choppy as Marines...
Understandable
>...Not as shooty either
What
>Not as massed as SolAux...
Understandable
>...and not as hardy as before, because we put Multi D everywhere
Nooo
>So now Mechanicum gets to be cheaper. Goes hand in hand with being trashier

I don't know how to deal with this

>>96006396
Second fellow RG player, but also very slow painter - sometimes it's motivation, sometimes it just takes people longer to get as good a result. That said, if you can't get shit done by a deadline, don't commit to it. I don't pretend I'm not glacial, neither should they.

So how’s the doctrines looking? Think we’ll keep the wargear swap ones?

>>96006413
Its more they commit, and then half ass it. Like I managed to paint 45+ RG models, 10 leman russes, a Thunderhawk, Warhound titan and then about 50 bits (16x4ft of terrain) and multiple commisions in the same time haha

But it looked cool and besides a few manchild meltdowns from 2 problematic people (whom will be removed with 3.0) it was a great day.

>>96006081
Room temperature take: I think battlecannons could be ap3 and it wouldn't be opressive. Tanks aren't artillery - they move around.
Instant Death is gone and it takes a whole Russ to kill a couple marines. I say it wouldn't be opressive.

>>96006406
I think when they say "massed firepower" they are referring to the shear number of shots. Mech don't roll a lot of to hit rolls, but the shots really hurt.

>>96006417
They barely even said anything, really

>>96006396
>Originally wanted to do istvaan 5 themed bases but the black on black was shit.
Big same, went mars too (obviously). Looks great.
>known since January to be ready
I feel that. My group only really paints for 40k tournaments. As much as I hate the sportification, the battle ready paint for 10vp has drastically upped the number of painted armies in my area.

>>96006400
Thanks! The Exemplary ones are too flat and clean. I imagine they wouldn't get much upkeep comparatively, or at the very least not care to be parade ready.

>>96006433
>I think battlecannons could be ap3 and it wouldn't be opressive.
nta: Maybe with D1 it would be fine, but with D2 it seems way too cost-effective imo.

>>96003520
They were support tercios, right? It wouldn't be too crazy to have them play second fiddle to the main lasrifle guys

>>96006291
"go shoot a krak missile"
>sure thing boss
"go grav hammer that tank to death"
>okay boss
"go punch that terminator squad"
>right on it boss

>>96005891
Yeah what? It would make sense for artillery Blasts to go from 3" to 5" when they remain stationary or something idk. To highlight better accuracy.
The shell is the same, moving or not
>>96005894
Meanwhile, Russ Battlecannons should always be AP3 (even on the move), if at the cost of Small Blast

>>96005996
>I think that can happen since we can have AP2 D1 weapons now
It's not a guarantee. Power Axes could've been i-1 since terminators were 2W but it didn't happen. And now that they are i-1, they're no longer AP2.
Whatever the change, it won't be the one you wanted

>>96006431
>manchild meltdowns from 2 problematic people
Traitors or Loyalists?

>>96006384
>Yes I play 5th ed Nids
>Yes Rippers are my compulsory troops and everything else is a Ymgarl/Trygon GOTCHA list.

>>96006444
Ahhh damn.

>>96006406
You're a horde army now, goy.

At least GW finally admitted they are using AI. Naming one "AI playtester" and pretending to have a conversation like it's a person is kinda cringe though, it doesn't turn into a different AI just because you use it for a different task.

>>96006520
>Whatever the change, it won't be the one you wanted
I don't really want it to happen, but looking at how big guns are getting more powerful after the removal of instant death and introduction of damage characteristics, I can see that being a thing. I doubt ES will get AP2, but i believe Medusa, Demolisher, and Vanquisher Cannon might get it under some circumstances (Ordnance).

>>96002135 (OP)
How badly are they gonna ruin my army (Sisters of Silence)?

>>96006561
quality bait

>>96006575
Squatted to make room for femstodes. That "tip of the spear" teaser clearly shows a feminine custodian halberd.

>>96006449
cheers bro, yeah the red just compliments a greyish black/blue so much. So many heresy armies look best on redish bases.

>>96006535
1 Traitor IW 1 Loyal UM.
IW guy took a curb stomp list, complained when my 4 remaining dark furies charged and killed a 10 man tactical squad.... then proceeded to complain that I baited his return fir ereaction on the Iron havocs before dropping a Plasma execution squadron on them... In total me and the BA allies killed 4 Siege tyrants and 6 iron havocs and maybe 20 tacts/breachers? He tabled us. :)

UM guy had a huge issue with how one of the guys last minute changed his list and it was illegal, but for the sake of it being painted and too late to do anything about I allowed it. (he took two force org charts instead of ally) and he blew up and then also blew up about ruinstorm daemons and the fact they basically raped the IF & SW guys (which they did) Turns out 50% of your army on Samus, LoW, and 2 flying sovreigns + brtes and a shit load of lesser daemons will win :)

>>96006585
I will kill GW execs if that happens

>>96006586
AP3 Blast (3") >> APUseless Blast (5")
>>96006481
Maybe it could be AP3 D1 Heavy (D) instead of AP4 D2 Heavy (AP)
Would you combine any of that with Blast size?

>>96006599
>then proceeded to complain that I baited his return fir ereaction
>He tabled us. :)
Classic IW. You messed up their numbers on their pivot table.

>>96006449
>The Exemplary ones are too flat and clean.
I think you also just used a much nicer red and deeper blacks - their red looked like WB and they barely had black.

>>96006494
>>96006291
At least dreads are WS4 too. Anything WS5 and he's cooked

>>96006599
At least they were in character.

>>96006650
>dreads are ws4
>vets/command squads/legion elites need apex detachment to take
my crackpot theory is that they kept the 2.0 WS chart because they severely reduced the number of units with ws5 across the board. am I crazy?

>>96005082
I usually don't bother picking up the brush if I don't have a couple of hours to paint. Guess I should start just painting even if I only have 30 mins.

>>96006243
>that black marine with shield and fist
Wish I could see him from the front. Looks baller.

>>96006268
How do you paint those shoulder pads without going crazy?

>>96006628
>AP3 D1 Heavy (D)
that seems fine with 3' blast imo

>>96006705
sub-Assembly :)

>>96006699
pretty sure its just a MK3 guy with a combat shield and a PF from the regular kit :)

>>96006660
No that seems to be exactly what they're doing, they're shoving all of the actually good units into elite slots so it's just going to be an ineffective slap fest across most of the table while deathstars ram into each other in the middle of the board because these faggots think that's the epitome of "tactics"

>>96006586
Warhammer is world war 2 you silly billy.

>>96006599
holy narrative

>>96006575
You will now have stormcast monoboob

>>96006730
>sub-Assembly :)
Damn. Noted for the next batch...

>>96006575
They were actually female custodes all along 88WDT

>>96005834
Wait so if you just want to take one squad of axe vets you have to take an entire comman squad for just them? Thats insane

>>96006831
Or, you can also use HUMBROL Liquid Mask which i did, it takes some trial and error but its pretty decent results as shown below these were second hand and already built (still WiP)

>>96006854
Don't know if I can get that in the short term. You think bluetack would be enough?

>>96006868
I mean Ive used bluetack before on bigger stuff like jetbikes etc.

Never on small models.

>>96005847
>>96005706
>>96005621
>>96005325
>>96005319
>>96005195
>>96005141
>>96005082
>>96004872
Extremely based model havers, painters, and models posters.

>>96006852
I think you can take a separate veletari section; it's just having command sections unlock additional tercios (i.e., auxiliary detachments), just like centurions in the LA Army unlock additional auxiliary detachments.

>>96006852
Logistical Benefit is purposefully made for situations like that anon

>>96006982
Veletaris may be out of the game, the article mentions replacing lasrifles with chargers

>>96007019
...Anon...

>>96007019
"lasrifles are upgraded with blast chargers and become a threat to a number of units. "

>>96006203
>Meltaguns are neither and they also double a stat (Damage)
Heavy gives +1 to a stat if stationary. Ordnace doubles the stat instead.
The extra damage on meltas is from being in melta range, not from not moving. We don't even know if it's actually doubling the damage or just giving it D6

>>96006988
>>96006982
Few, I love my axe boys

>>96007019
They released plastic Veletaris less than 1.5 years ago, and now they are out of the game...for what reason exactly?

I'm very tempted to make a Blackshield cenurion + vet squad of obviously defaced Legions

>>96007059
Me too bru, me too

>>96007059
>>96007077
Love how even the fluff about the axes is saying they're mostly ceremonial, yet you can still field them in the game.

>>96007069
Do it.

>>96007068
Streamers said it was too OP.

So Palanite Blades are typically equipped with Charnabal weapons, because of their focus on using skill in blade mastery instead of using Power weapons. Fair enough, but as far as I know only the sabres currently exist for purchase. The SAs got a "tabar" as part of their Command squad, and given how real-life tabars look I can see what they're going for.

What about the glaive, though? Also isn't it weird to have wargear options that aren't available for purchase? It's this weird intersection between "Fuck you, make it yourself" and "Nooo, only use official things and never 3d prints you Fascist"

>>96002135 (OP)
>Militia rules in August
Monkey's paw without a doubt, there's no way we're getting anything remotely playable.

I know this is /tg/, on 4chan, on the internet, but you guys are so much better than you think you are. Even sharing a board with our "cousins" in the 40K general is completely insane; I took a brief dip in there to check for some info and it is a complete hellhole, not even on our worst of days have I ever seen anything like it.

>>96007273
You use WHFB/AOS/TOW weapons on chainsword hands. This EC Cneturion has a rapier from the old Vampire Counts vamp knights, I have some unpainted conversions that use Sigmarine swords also.

>>96007273
Charnabals exist from a time when making it yourself was more standard, and GW haven't quite gone as far as to remove them yet.
We might see the full set in plastic down the line, but for now, any halfway elegant polearm should do.

Hey phellas, gonna drop some pics from a double feature I had yesterday. Planning on starting grad school this fall, which means no 3.0 for me, at least for a while, so I've been fishing for lots of games in my local with my BA. First match was knights with Night Lords allies.

>>96007068
They're not out of the game
They're now just considered a lasrifle section that has upgraded their rifles for chargers

>>96007316
I can't tell if you're a troll or genuinely don't realise how you've fucked up.

>>96007309
Assault cannons HSS is fucking hilarious. I think 8/10 of them died over the course of this match, and of those 8, I think 6 of them were due to Gets Hot rolls during various return fire reactions. Brutally fun unit. Ran them with an apothecary and techmarine in a rhino. It was Ambush deployment and they were the only unit I deployed in the other zone, acting as a rear flanker and they did their job excellently. Turns 1 and 2 they took big bites out of the dual autocannon Armigers (although pretty much each Armiger had a nasty habit of surviving with a single wound each time I did big damage to them).

Wait FUCK I just realized with new heavy rules I lost my last justification to not get transports for my HSS

>>96007299
Are they still talking about nothing but /pol/ and trannies over there?

>>96007329
You still want the heavy bonus and they have the range to not need a transport most of the time?

>>96007325
looking good, shame about the primaris helmet

>>96007331
If only. The new resident shitposters derail everything until every post is two idiots calling eachother out talking about literally nothing.

>>96007324
The article literally says you can upgrade the lasrifles to chargers
What else am I supposed to think?

>>96007334
Turns out that 20 Tactical marines with chainswords and a Techmarine with his hammer can take out Armigers in a pinch. Boxnoughts were very sleepy and kept wiffing against them though.

I think the Angel's Tears helmets look better on the Emperor's Children, evoking that open-mouthed style like an ancient statue or something. Or maybe just onions, I dunno.

>>96007273
>>96007300
Dark Elf swords and the new EC swords will work nicely, natch

>>96007353
>>96007337
Thanks! And about the helmet, it was a free download on Cults and it has like a neato eye lens with little gears in it that looked very Techmarine. Since the design language of Primaris echoes MK4 I decided it was personally acceptable for a Techmarine. He's just modified his helmet a bit When he was on Mars he trained with Cawl :^.)

>>96007351
Read that sentence again, but slowly this time. You're a big boy right, I'm sure you can figure this one out yourself eventually.

>>96007361
Literally everybody has had that same opinion since their release date.

>>96007377
Right back at you

>>96007375
The full health castra failed this charge on a double 1, condemning his wounded brother to get instant deathed by a Thunderstrike Gauntlet. Poor lil guy actually would have lived if it was a reaper chainblade.

>>96007405
Blondie Techmarine here took the last wound off 2 Armigers, one of them was with his servo arm too. It's fun to stick a surprise Thunder Hammer in Tactical Squads.

>>96007393
Anon, I don't know how to say this, but you might actually be clinically retarded.

>>96006298
>jack of all trades
>doesn't have strong enough strength to hurt tanks
>Doesnt have good enough AP to make marines blink unless you never move it

What are you even talking about? Its basically just a heavy weapon emplacement, because the moment you move it its shooting becomes piss for what your paying for it.

Having its value be in not moving, when your making a tank model is probably the most brainless idea I could imagine for a game designer.

>>96007420
After piledriving my poor Castra into the ground, the knight then charged into the Tac squad that had my warlord custom campaign character. The unit's Techmarine knocked off a HP with his servo arm before the unit fled, which then allowed the last surviving Castra to move behind the knight and shove his gravis autocannon up it's exhaust and take off the last HP.

>>96007331
And dare I say it? /pol/-trannies?

>>96007423
Are you illiterate
"Lasrifle sections can now take chargers"
Hmmmmmm this can't possibly mean anything for the unit that is just a lasrifle section with chargers

>>96007467
You gotta be trolling. No one this retarded would be able to access the internet.

>>96007481
That's just the new name for volkite chargers, it's in the leaks
We knew this 2 weeks ago

>>96007491
OK so trolling got it. Not wasting any more time

Does a deepstriking unit count as having moved in the turn it arrives?
I want to deepstrike a Multi-Melta squad with a warmonger.
The deep strike assault rule just specifies you can't move or run - if you can't move or run, are you stationary?

Too Fantasy for Word Bearers?

>>96007517
Yes.

>>96007492
Bro's fucking seething because his little plastic men don't have their super special name anymore

>>96007534
Do you know the difference between a volkite charger and a lasrifle with a blast charger?

>>96007517
Amazing ogryns for abhuman muster
WB allied militia

>>96007542
Don't feed the troll.

>>96007444
Game end 4-3 victory for the BA. Both sides could count the number of their models left on the board on their fingers, so it's a shame that my opponent was actually very unsportsmanlike. Did not know the rules, straight up would not listen to me when I explained rules, which led to misunderstandings and insinuations that I lied to him, kept bitching about how his knights are much more powerful in 40k, and next time he's not going to bring them and just go full Night Lords. When I pointed out that I squeaked out the win by a single VP and my army was decimated he mellowed out and kind of apologized for his attitude. I think the guy was like 20 but it was like tealking to a kid I was like "look at all my models you killed, you did so good," and I saw his expression soften. Pictured is the last remaining member of a tactical squad scurrying into my deployment zone like the little Nostraman he is, hiding from my BRRRRT marines, securing him 2 VP.

>>96007542
Go read the leaks
The section for wounds tests
The example giver is a tactical support squad equipped with blast chargers shooting into a despoiler squad

>>96007581
You're a troll then. Thanks for clarifying

been having a bad day
has made me seriously consider playing mechanicum though

(no, the "bad day" isnt due to losing a heresy game)

>>96007591
You've said that 3 times but you have yet to prove you're not illiterate
Go. Read.

>>96007517
I use them as Brutes.

>>96007609
and to ask

anyone have a good recipe/method for painting bronze? preferably quickly/easily

>>96007273
Aren't charnabals just a flat upgrade over power swords in nearly every situation

You're only wounding on a 4+ anyway, so breaching (5+) gives you real threat against 2+ saves and duelist's edge (1) lets you hit first

>>96007625
well more brass than bronze really

>>96007581
No it isn't

>>96007561
>The Virgin unpainted model hiding/fleeing from the superior Chad Painted BA's

>>96007661
Made you look lol

>>96007684
LOL

>>96004687
Honestly after reading what you said I went back to have a look but the raan arm is almost an exact match in length if I included a typical marine hand, but it’d be positioned differently cause of posing. I think it looks fine, but I will admit in that photo something does seem slightly off. Maybe it’s because it’s not as armoured it gives off the illusion of being longer?
>>96004711
God no, I’m not skilled enough to do that. I’m having enough trouble whipping up basically painted models. I don’t wanna push myself too far, so I’ll just stick with a scale cape for now and fall back on transfers to help embellish him

>>96007393
Blast chargers are a modification to a standard lasrifle. Basically like a different ammunition type. Its like buying banestrike rounds on bolters.

You used to have to pay for them in 1.0 but they made them free in 2.0, looks like we're going back to paying for them again in 3.0.

A Blast charger and a Volkite Charger are different. Aux can even get special laspistols called blast pistols which are powered by blast chargers and are distinct from Volkite Serpentas.

Thsts what GW meant probably.

>>96007684
Yeah pulling up that existing screenshot was tough

>>96007440
You can move it and still hurt most tanks side armour profile since AP is irrelevant against vehicles now.

It'll bounce off of a Spartan but so will lascannons and meltaguns and theyre dedicated anti tank.

>>96007684
>merely pretending to be retarded

I wonder if heavy flamers will be AP4 with Heavy (AP). They shouldn't, but it'd be really funny

>>96007077
why are they on squares

>>96007625
first you heat the bronze to 950C

Legions

Legions moar

>>96007561
Second game was 3k of BA and IH vs IW. The IH player is new to HH and takes his homebrew lore super seriously. It's a little special snowflake but it's still within acceptable boundaries and it's pretty cute.
When we looked at our lists I thought we were in for a shalacking, the IW player brought double Iron Havocs and an HSS with las, autocannons, and volkite culverins, and since he won the roll off to go first he took the side with most of the high ground. But then when we played he just kinda fell apart it was astonishing to watch. It helped that I told the IH player to deny flank deploy putting most of the Iron Havocs out of range and LoS.

>>96007663
Ty sir. I think having plastics is an undeniable net positive for the game, but the equally undeniable side effect is it significantly increases the number of greytide or spray primed cookie cutter starter box armies impulse-purchased by people. Shame.

>>96008075
Our little firebase, trying to stay out of range of the lascannons and autocannons Iron Havocs, and hoping we can withstand the volkite culverin HSS with MoS support.

First turn though the IW plaer made a massive mistake and targeted the Deredeo with the culverins. I told the IH player he should return fire, so after taking a single wound from the culverins he blasted back and wiped out 7/10 of them with his maximal fire plasma.
This caused the IW player to immediately spiral. I've played this guy before, if something goes wrong he really easily loses morale and begins complaining a lot. It gets so bad that if you tell him "My X is shooting at your Y," he will just take models off without rolling, I constantly have to tell him to just cool his jets and see what the dice do. He will also lie about his rolls but not to cheat his opponent, but to prove that he really is super fucked and doomed. I watched him try and claim that he failed a leadership that he passed which I saw him roll right before my eyes. He kept saying "this is not fun for me," "I am not having any fun," but then kept playing. So he was really roleplaying an IW, truly. Peculiar and hilarious behavior but you'll have to take my word that he actually is a cool guy and good opponent despite all that that.

On our Turn 1, we finished off the culverin squad, my snipers killed the augry and sergeant in the lascannon squad which pinned them, and the MVP Deredeo used his aiolos to pin the autocannon Havocs, so it was pretty dire for the IW at that point.

>>96008051
>>96008069
Cute

not a traditional game but there's a Horus Heresy mod for WARNO

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3351553664

Kinda neat look but barebones with only Ultramarines and World Eaters at the moment.

>>96008115
Arquitors moments before being kamikazed by an Iron Hands grav pistol moritat. They were loaded with phosphex so we were pretty keen to get rid of them.

>>96007638
not really no

eg MEQ vs MEQ

a power sword will hit on 4+, Wound on 4+ and that kills the other guy (1W, 3+ armour save)

but a charnable sabre will hit on 4+, wound on 4+ and 66% of those Wounds will be at AP2, so your path is either 1/2*1/3 to a kill or 1/2*1/6*1/3; in the first instance it's 1/6 vs 1/4 (for the power sword) and in the second instance it's 1/37 vs 1/4 (and you can't average them together because they're mutually exclusive outcomes of the same dice rolls)

you only get Duellist's Edge on a Challenge so for the most part it doesn't help, though in the above situation of WS/S parity it does help to be able to try and stab the other guy first, because then he may not be around to stab you at the I4 step - whereas without DE(1) you're both 1/24 to trade kills, so having that 1/6 at the earlier step (and the 1/37 hail mary, which isn't a hail mary if he has to take the save, but a 1/3 roll) is a good thing

in general it's a worse weapon against anything with an armour save of 4+ or better, because you are waiting on that 1/3 chance to Wound (and unlike power swords, you can't wound just anything thanks to Rending, or stab up a light tank still the dumbest mechanic of the game)

BUT

because you do get that Breaching 5+, against targets with a 2+ armour save you're marginally better than a power sword

so AEQ vs AEQ becomes 1/2*1/3 for the sabre and 1/2*1/6 for the power sword or 1/6 vs 1/12

again that 2+ armour save better not be on a Leviathan but on eg Terminators you would do 50% more Wounds before they pulverized you with hammers

tl;dr it's more nuanced than it appears

Last pic - 3k+ points of LI (probably a lot more with all the titans but there is a legal 3k list in there)

>>96008163
I love this model, he did a great job with it IMO.

>>96008075
>>96008115
Least Autistic IW Player

>>96008143
>you only get Duellist's Edge on a Challenge
Are you running palantine blades into templar brethren really often? How many cases of power sword vs charnabal come up that are unit vs unit and not sergeant vs sergeant

>>96008178
That's the one from Warhammer world right?

>>96008178
Could have been a clean victory for the BA+IH but I fucked my Deep Strike assault. It was funny because I saw one of the IW's scatter die on the board and almost picked it up to use to scatter my assault marines, but then I realized my mistake and after fishing around in my dice bag for my own scatter I said something like "YOUR duplicitous, debased scatter die, MY noble, true-rolling scatter die." I then proceeded to scatter 8" into an IW unit, rerolled thanks to LoS from a nuncio-vox, and got the same direction but this time it was 11" so there was really no doubt I had scattered into the IW unit. Of course the IW put the first unit right in front of his 2 Contemptors and Iron Circle. I did dumbass 2E Deep Strike shennanigans to wrap them around and placed the second unit still gunning to sweep up his tactical squads and autocannon HSS, but there was no getting away from the Contemptors who eventually cleaned up the assault marines and mulched my poor campaign custom character (who thankfully survived rolling on the casualty table). The big hammer IW Praetor also smushed the IH's campaign character, who also survived.
Game ended with a loyalist victory.
>>96008186
No matter where you are your FLGS always attracts the most peculiar fellows.

>>96007932
for painting you, why else?

>>96008186
>>96008115
A true son of Perturabo

>>96008115
The IW guy who bitched and whinged all of our big game is similar. But he throws his models too :) Super autism.

>>96008218
>>96008248
I thought IW being the sperg Legion was just a meme

>>96008194
vs 2+ it's better, vs 3+ it's worse, but that's assuming all kinds of things to make it work as examples

on balance they're about the same, just used for different purposes; you could exclusively run charnable Inductii with your EC specifically to target hammernators and, for what they cost comparatively, you'd get pretty good results - better than the equivalent number of power swords

Am I Iron Warrioring right?

>>96008271
Sadly not, Although I really want t make a force themed around the guys who got desperate inside the Lions Gate space port in SoT. Those guys were goated

>>96008303
Needs more basilisks and medusae

>>96008303
>Six small AP 3 blasts
It hurts. Why did morons keep marching their tactical blobs into 24" range?

>>96008318
Typhons

>>96007625
Pro Acryl Matt Cexwish Dark Bronze (not the normal Bronze)

SHUT UP FAILSON

>>96008462
picture of it applied?

>>96008684
>And the gods fled from Horus's bitchass.

>>96008716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TPz-jipZaI&t=656s

>>96007508
Why bother asking when we will have new rules in 3 weeks? (The answer is no, as they were set up in the movement phase they count as having moved)

>>96008303
What other legions look good on vindicators? I was graciously gifted a friends marine stock after they got out of 30k and it had two vindicators.

>>96008684
kek

>>96008887
ultramarines and deathguard?

>>96008924
Already have a DG player. Might go Salamaders so I have an excuse to paint large flames on the dozers. There were 5 firedrakes in the bottom of the box I discovered.

>>96008887
Imperial fists, ultras, death guard, dark angels, world eaters

>>96007508
Pretty sure it does

>>96008940
Go Ultramarines and have a destroyer army.

>>96007508
There have been many threads long fights over this, and GW never clarified it in an FAQ. The rules themselves are extremely unclear about it, and that is an understatement.

>>96008940
based. burn them humanely friend.

>>96009001
Yet people are confused as to why we are getting over explained rules.

>>96009069
Yet their overexplained rules still have glaring holes and unclear wording.

So now we have the same issue, but with longer, more convoluted wording.

>>96009069
It's on GW to be clear and concise. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be writing rules.

>>96009069
This particular case is extremely bad though. Like, in older versions of the rules it always said something like
>This unit counts as having moved/stationary
right there in the rules for Deep Strike, but that's completely absent in 2.0

>>96008983
Based, but I already have a destroyer heavy RG army. That would have been helpful information to state up front, my b.

>>96008944
Good choices, I think I will give the drakes small armored friends for a small anvil style allied force.

>>96009066
I shall. Digging through I found 4 tartaros on sprue too. Too bad command squads cant co-attach. Id cram them all into the Spartan I primed and never used.

>>96009162
gotta pad out that rule book with piles of AI slop tier writing that doesn't actually say anything useful.

most likely talons tomorrow (I hope, could be knights/titans?)

any predictions? I hope they give a bit of focus on SoS rules rather than "heres an entire article about custodes rules, whats an SoS?"

>>96008684
>>96008726
>Horus, your memes are not actually based, you are being deceived by the sockpuppeting of The Old Four.
>Hah! Fool! I will post my memes on 4chan then, that you may see that I am based, redpilled, and handsome!
[a few moments later]
>N-no, it can't be . . . I am . . . CRINGE . . . perhaps even r*ddit . . . Father, kill me please.

>>96006431
>RG tries to rally the shattered legions
>Only one capable
Does art imitate life, or does life imitate art?

>>96009185
It won't be. They've followed the order on this image perfectly, and why reveal the rules from a PDF that'll be free, when you could advertise the Liber you want to sell?

>>96009212
okay, not perfectly, I'm blind. But still, sell libers, not free PDFs

>>96009212
Except mech was before Solar Aux. Good indication Knights and titans are tomorrow though. Pre order announcement this weeked. Next two weeks are legion rules, psychic powers, and maybe flyers.

>>96009221
Was about to say, roflmao

>>96009212
because nobody plays knights or titans and they showcased how they work already

>>96009241
Yep, that was my fuckup. I think I'm right about it being knights, but my argument was a bit fucked, I'll own that.

>>96009267
But not army comp and households etc. I suspect that was more of a unit type spotlight. Tomorrow will be in an army context.

Did SA not have jump pack units?

>>96009292
No, the only human jump packs were on Elysians, Sisters, and those militia guys in the one provenance. I guess those Kill Team Elysian knockoff Scions too now I guess.

>>96009299
>Space Hulk-themed Kill Team season
>no termies and genestealers came at the very end
>Jump Infantry-themed Kill Team box
>no Elysians, Raptors, or Assault marines
Wonder what they'll cook up next

I know the edition is about to change so everything could get thrown up in the air, but does Solar Auxilia actually work? The game is built around Marines v. Marines, so is SA actually an army that fully works with the game and is reasonably balanced and has choices and different ways to play?

>>96009431
They were pretty good in HH1, and absolute dog water in HH2.
So they can work, but for some reason GW now hates making the main things that the SA rely on good.

>>96004872
The goon squad.

>>96009212
god these books are ugly. What were they thinking

>>96009488
it's big boy time, bitch

>>96009488
No more art. No more symbols. No more meaning. Only product.

>>96009488
>>96009534
Or maybe it was to create a visual distinction between the Libers, which are pure rules, and the Journal Tactica which have lore and painting guides and maps and stuff

>>96009534
99.1% pure

>>96009292
It would be nice to get something like that on the aux. Not even necessarily true jetpacks, grav chutes for auxilia paratroopers could be pretty cool. Would make sense for void warfare too, call it repurposed EVA gear or something.

>>96009431
Building off what >>96009470 said, they were bligh's pet project and he wrote the original rules. With his passing there's been a correlative drop in their design and inclusion that I think speaks for itself.

>>96009549
Terrible theory. Could still do that while looking good like either editions black books

>>96009212
Honestly surprised they haven't opted for alternative cover in some form of deluxe edition, guess we haven't reached that level of consumption yet

>>96009549
I'm glad the journals have art but there's no good reason the libers couldn't also have art or faction symbols or something

>>96009615
2.0 Liber covers are great if you know what they mean, with the just the eye or aquilla or opus or aux symbol, but not if you don't know what all that symbology means. The 3.0 Libers are cruder but easier to understand at a glance.

>>96009629
No they're not what the fuck are you on about, it way easier to understand "the eagle is for good guys, the eye is for bad guys" if you're a retarded newbie then it is to figure out what the difference is color between the two identical new things on the cover means.

>>96009212
>>96009488
What are the odds we see "special editions" with decent covers

>>96009609
To be fair, their rules were kinda cracked in 1.0.
>Loads of special snowflake gear even space marines would be envious of
>Better moral than space marines
>funny ap2 torrent hellstorm marine rape cannon
>better vindicator only its a transport with 10 flamers inside
>5 trillion volkite even though canonically there isn't enough to arm space marines with them

But yes in 2.0 they lost a lot of their spark.
I wonder what old mate Alan would think of the 3.0 slop. 1.0 really was made with autistic levels of love and care, even if the balance was kinda wack.

>>96009470
>>96009431
Not really positive about 3.0 generally, but for SA they have shown that tercio benefits are all locked behind command squad tax, which is very gay.

Currently command squads for your tercio's are completely optional, and make a nice distinction between SA and imperial guard/militia type lists.

I am really not a fan of this push towards herohammer and fucking hq tax everywhere.

>>96009549
True, they didn't have a way of doing that before.

>>96009645
in fairness, a stylized eagle and two lighting bolts doesn't exactly read as "good guys" to the average person unfamiliar with 40k.

>>96009732
I'm not sure "Green and black with flames" vs "Grey with hazard stripes" is any clearer.

>>96009732
Dude you suck. Back to 40K please

>>96009645
The skull is for the bad guys. The bad dragon is for the good guys. Simple.

>>96009431
In terms of gameplay The Aux are a horde army that focus on points efficiency over performance. Compare performance between a rifle section and a tac squad in 2.0.

On a model to model basis an auxiliary is inferior to a tactical marine in all regards save for the fact that the auxiliary is far better at dying. A mortal statline of 3's vs the standard astartes 4's along with a 4+ voidsuit instead of glorious 3+ power armour

However on a unit to unit level the calculus changes. In 2.0 a tac squad starts at 100 points for 10 marines with more bodies costing 10 ppm. An Auxilia rifle section starts at 60 for 10 with more bodies sitting at 5ppm.

A naked 10 man tac squad is superior to a naked 10 man rifle section but because the aux are so cheap they could buy an Aurox dedicated transport with a multilaser for 40 points and stick their 60 point naked rifle section in it before the tacticals have even bought any upgrades. Having a metal box means they can deploy and redeploy faster than the marines to get on objectives first.

Or just bring 20 guys in a squad for 110 points and trust that weight of numbers will carry the day. After all, "Any legionary who scoffs at the humble lasgun has never run across a field against 100 of them."

The Aux struggled a lot in 2.0 because they got nerfed too hard for their S10 AP2 Large Blast related warcrimes in 1.0.

They did honestly need to be nerfed to help making footslogging marines possible in HH but GW did their classic trick of nerfing the armies strongest units on multiple levels while not improving their weaker models at all. The battle cannon went from S8 AP3 large blast to S8 AP4 small blast and which was just emblematic of the whole list.

That said that was a balance issue and not a conceptual design issue. The Aux can absolutely work in a game that focuses on marine vs marine and remain effective.

>>96009732
the average person unfamiliar with 40k isn't about to start a horus heresy army anyway

>>96009667
I like that Troop masters actually do things now but it probably would be better if they were optional.

Still at least its not hard to make them, a Troopmaster is basically just a section sarge in a slightly fancier hat.

>>96009793
The malcador infernus also received a biblical smackdown. It used to be able to evaporate multiple infantry squads each time if fired, now it just tickles.

The greatest crime committed against solar aux is releasing that POS Arvus flyer in plastic before the Aurox.

>>96009857
It really is absurd what they did to the infernus since its literally just a titanscale flamer someone attached treads to. Its even a lord of war but they decided to make it AP4 because god forbid the Auxilia have anything.

>>96009914
>>96009881
I mean, the thing WAS fucking absurdly rapetastic with the poison/acid upgrade whatever it was called. but GW really should have just made low AP pie plates expensive, instead of just removing them.

Deadly pieplates putting the fear of god into people trying to hide all their dudes behind cover was a good thing.
What was bad was how cheap and spammable those pieplates were.

>>96009931
A lord of war having AP 4 is so retarded, and I'm even more retarded for buying one.

>>96009953
Nah those models look cool as fuck, and that's what counts.

>>96009931
they really should make it AP3 at least in 3.0, its only got a 9" torrent and its centreline mounted, its really not hard to hide from.

Plus giant flamethrower tank looks cool.

>>96009881
Releasing the Aurox would also mean potential plastic carnodons which could be nice.

>>96007092
It's the ceremony of chopping people up

>>96006988
someone explain special assignment to me. Does it mean I can take a command squad at the cost of a detachment?

also wtf was wrong with the old force org chart lol. This is definitely my least fav change to 3.0

>>96010169
you will have your 40k detatchments and you'll like them anon.
Want Interesting rites of war that effect how you build your list and buffs the over all army? Too bad, you get special detatchment and special prime(tm) bonuses.

>>96010181
I know. I hate it.

>>96010018
>>96009953
I genuinely think GW has the internal logic of its better to nerf things into the ground instead of just costing things correctly.

I don't know if its because they are just retarded when it comes to balancing, or if its some conspiracy where GW suits think higher points costs will equal lower sales.

>>96010181
These are nothing like any iteration of 40k force org charts. Not even the people who want 8th/9th edition style list building got what they wanted

Should I buy a falchion or thunderhawk?

Thunderhawk is an awesome model, but is far less practical to actually use in a game.

Falchion is still a lovely model, is more game friendly, and also costs like 50% of the thunderhawk, even recast.

>>96010202
They're like 7ed formation armies, whatever the fuck they were called. Detatchment of detatchments where each one had 10 special rules, which stacked with the over all detatchment special rules, and there was 500 DLC detatchments from 300 different publications, and you better keep up with the latest and greatest OP detatchment slop.

>>96010204
Thunderhawk. It will always be the most iconic marine super heavy vehicle.

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>>96010169
It lets you take a second praetor (and whatever else will be in the high command slot) but that praetor will not give access to another auxiliary- or apex detachment.

>>96010211
No they're not, what the fuck are you on about? 7th edition formations were just eighth edition detachments with different compulsory slots but with the added bonus of giving you a bunch of free shit on top

>>96009283
The big knights are now the tax unit to unlock that all-important armigier horde.

>>96010253
He means late seventh edition. Every detachment after the Necron 7th edition release was a metal formation made up of smaller formations.

Remember the 7th ed demi company giving free wargear?