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Madness Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Who's your favorite thread schizo?

>TQ
They're all pretty funny here and there, but them constantly derailing threads is getting old.

>>96004548 (OP)
What a fuck awful TQ

>>96004548 (OP)
I love these old goofy chaos cards but I hate how overcosted all of them are. Why is everything that isn't pushed standardslop cringe unfinityshit? Discounting Prisoner's Dilemma I can't even remember the last time we got a fun janky chaos card.

>>96004581
Ohh man this guy, I like this guy! The guy that always gets mad at everything. He's always here!

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

Build a vampire deck.

>>96004699
I don't like Edgar Markov.

Does MTGCardbuilder have the final fantasy through the ages template yet?

>TQ
The guy who says every reply to me is me and has some whole breakdown of how it has to be. Biased, I know, but I love it.
>>96004699
I pulled 2 Edgars from Innistrad Remastered but I can't seem to convince myself to do it. Lots of vampire staples are expensive.

Sorta looking through 2-3 color artifact commanders in colors I rarely use, like how I've been debating with Sultai and Grixis for splashing red or green, but then I figured I'd see how Bant looks and I forgot Tocasia was a thing. Surveil attached to creatures, giving them vigilance so I can still do combat, easy to fill my own graveyard, but unsure if the payoff is worth it since she grabs such a small amount of artifacts (unless I run a bunch of cheerios or just toss my own artifact lands). She does go fantastically with Matoya, where every creature would instead say "{T}: Surveil 1 then draw a card" which is pretty fucking wild for digging through my deck.

>TQ
whoever keeps posting 'this didn't happen by the way'

>>96004699
I keep this one in my Ashnod deck even though it's bad for "reasons." That's good enough for me.

>>96004718
>Bant
>Surveil
She should've been Sultai.

>>96004770
I think there's a stronger argument for Abzan. It has a convoke element with tapping lots of creatures for the main effect

Sex with goblins

Still looking for the right template

>>96004657
standing up for a shit TQ really didnt make the TQ any better, Sire Hwite Knightu
>commander for your feel

>>96004786
Makes sense, I don't like Bant for that kind of playstyle. Abzan or Sultai.

>>96004842
cheeks need to be redder

>>96004786
>>96004770
>>96004718
>sultai
>abzan
She should've been Artifice. UW to play, RB to use her ability.

I have never played commander or made a commander deck before this one. Are there any issues or changes I should make to my spirit tribal deck? No sideboard yet.
https://moxfield.com/decks/z1ENu27bw0eBSjAQ81jZnQ

>>96004920
>no seriously green should never benefit from artifacts
what's it like being a faggot, anon?

>>96004718
>Surveil
>Artifacts
>Recursion
Isn't this just Golbez but shittier?

Just proompt your own EoE cards

>>96005054
Green is the anti-artifact color, anon. Breaking the colorpie should only be done sparingly, such as by giving her mostly Artifact colors with a splash of green. Esper + Green would be best. Tocasia is supposed to be the patient, kind teacher who is also very artifact focused, but splashing black for her recursion effect would be fine.
>>96004920
She should just be the same colors as Atraxa.
>>96005057
Golbez is basically cedh Tocasia

>>96004842
>>96004866
>>96005067
Why is this retard spamming the thread? Did he get made fun of in a previous one?

>>96005108
>two posts in 3 hours is spamming

>>96004770
If she was Sultai, I could use pretty much my entire Golbez deck with her at the helm and get access to all the new Lander tokens and token doublers Green gets.
>>96004786
I only disagree with Abzan because it's my least favorite 3 color combo
>>96004920
I kinda like this idea too, putting her in the same school as Breya and letting her use both Urza and Mishra as their teacher.
>>96005057
Golbez is extremely similar and in less colors. Surveiling on entry rather than giving it to your creatures means you can surveil more often if you're generating a lot of tokens, and black gives it access to a good amount of Surveil support (Eye of Duskmantle, Snarling Gorehound, Eloise, Doom Whisperer, etc) but Tocasia feels more like an aggressive option. She recurs a lot at once to the field, gives your creatures vigilance so you can swing and still surveil at instant speed, and White/Green have tons of token doublers for things like Karnstructs. The real catch is that I have a fully built Golbez deck and it's one of only two decks I have that are fully assembled more or less, so I couldn't even build Tocasia right now if I wanted to. There's artifact support in every color that I want to use for my general "it's my artifact deck" thing I like to try to create, but the last thing I wanna do is make a 5 color deck.

>>96004699
I already have 2.
Edgar, and an Elenda deck
...
No redblack Anje/Madness deck though ...

WBG is my favorite combination of colors but the combination as an entity itself is the least developed in MTG

>5 1 color solos
>10 2-color pairs
>15 3-color trios
>20 4-color quads
>25 5-color pents
that's how it should work

>>96005023
The deck in itself looks alright, but you have some pretty expensive cards in there for a first deck. You can replace most of the more expensive ones with similar cards that do about the same thing (or have other boons) to a smaller price.
Then if you really dig the deck you can just upgrade to the pricier ones later.

>>96005185
Do you know how math works

>>96005185
5-color is actually much more restrictive for deck building than a 2 or 3 color deck.

>>96005199
Sorry, I have a very strange autism. I think it's a matter of fact that you should be able to scrap screwdrivers for screws in Fallout 4.

>>96005213
Screw you

Hear me out.
Fantasy/classic MTG set, BUT every regular "tribe" is twisted or swapped to another colour.
Green goblins, red elves, black humans (card colour, not skin), white merfolk and so on

>>96005238
this TWEEEST got old after apocalypse, so you're 24 years late

fuck

>>96005238
reminds me of Planar Chaos. That'd be pretty neat. Homarids are izzet for some reason.

>>96005145
>>96004718
>tap sexy moonfolk artifact lady to surveil 1
>also scry 1
>with matoya you get to scry draw surveil draw

>>96005292
me in the middle

>>96005196
The only expensive cards I don't already have are land tax, cavern of souls and teferi's protection. I'm going to sub in reflecting pool instead cavern, but I have no idea about the other two.

>>96005292
I would tap that creature, if you catch my drift!

>>96005292
Do you think she still has a... Y'know, in between the legs?

>>96005344
benis?

>>96005292
That's fucking sick, dude. That's also a 3cmc Artifact so Simulacrum Synthesizer would trigger and give me a Karnstruct. I had to go to scryfall to see anything else that cares about becoming tapped, and I found
>Scaretiller
Drop lands from hand or get lands from my graveyard back to play (tapped)
>Fallowsage
Draws a card
>Attentive Sunscribe
Scry 1, same as Moonfolk Puzzlemaker but only 2cmc and white
>Interface Ace
Untaps itself once per your turn when tapped
>Sugespanner
pay 1U and I can bounce a nonland permanent
>Unctus
Gives all of my blue creatures "when it becomes tapped, loot (draw 1, discard 1)"
>Wylie Duke
Gain 1, Draw 1
>Sanwell, Avenger Ace
Exile my top 6 and I can cast an Artifact Creature/Vehicle spell from among them and put the rest on the bottom
>Traveling Botanist
Lets me look at my top card and if it's a land, I can put it in my hand or if I don't reveal it, I can put it back or into my graveyard
That's a lot of neat little synergistic creatures for Tocasia that benefit my digging.
>>96005344
peen? yes

>>96004699
Okay. What cards can I include for a subtle "giant cock" subtheme?

>>96005396
https://gatherer.wizards.com/search?searchTerm=eruption

>>96005396
Colossus Hammer

>>96005437

>>96005396
why, my Phyrexian Tower of course :)

>>96005396
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aphallic&unique=art

>>96005482
he cute

>>96005487
Damn, there are no good dicks here.

>>96005396
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aphallic&unique=art
vs.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aboob-window&unique=art
the difference in fanservice quality is staggering
the stewards of this game suck, quite literally

>>96005702
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Ayonic&unique=art&as=grid&order=name

Just sorted all my cards into colour, type and mana cost
Gonna either kill myself or jerk off now

>>96004699
I have an edgar markov and built vampire tribal
the night I was going to play it I decided not to and had a good time. I now dismantled the deck for its manabase

>>96005722
>yes, the thing that makes normal men titillated is the idea of putting their dick in a fucking monster
kek imagine batting for wotc like this

>>96005213
Being retarded isnt autism. You just have a low IQ anon

Post you're goblin decks

>>96005776
What the hell are you talking about
who is batting for the company

>>96005798
"yonic" isn't proper fanservice no matter how to spin it anon

>>96005807
I never said it was??
Are you okay?

>>96005722
>that Cultivate

>>96005835
who up cultivating they island rn

>>96005818
>leave a link w/o further elaboration
>gets surprised that gets interpreted as some "own"
cool that you agree with me but no need to be so defensive alright, are (You) okay? lmao

>>96005873
Anon you might actually be schizophrenic, please see a medical professional.

>>96005878
>gets called out
>immediately resorts to schizoposting
you're not making it to TQ that's for sure lol

>>96004699
I have a blood rites precon, how do i upgrade it to make it fun?
hard mode: no Exquisite Blood infinte combo

>>96005873
>>96005878
>>96005887

post you're goblin decks

>>96005887
Anon it's not my fault you misinterpreted something and then went off on one.

>>96005903
>>96005873

>>96005910
I accept your apology.

>>96005913
(You)r concession is accepted

>>96005893
Honestly I think it's really fun to begin with, but you could replace some stuff for more flavour and synergy, for instance more Ixalan vamp cards.

Maybe utilise a lot of white cards that specifically produce human tokens and use them for sacrifices, for flavour?

Why are infinite combos even disliked. When they happen you knows its over and you can just restart. Would people rather it be 10 minutes of chains where you MIGHT win?

>>96005919
Your apology is rescinded

>>96005895
https://archidekt.com/decks/9974037/ib
A while ago I had this idea for a goblin deck that wasn't just krenko.dek and built an Ib deck where the idea is to launch goblins at people and force them to block, at which point they get nuked. I wasn't very happy with it, so I scrapped the idea, but there could maybe be something there. I guess the main issue is that it's pretty reliant on Ib being alive, and it's monored.

>>96005930
I think it's the fact that they insta-win games, and some are easier than others to pull off.

>>96005930
>Why are infinite combos even disliked
because saying you lost because putting molten duplication and dualcaster mage together and making funny motions with your hands to represent infinite tokens is very anticlimactic

>>96005930
Yeah people like it a lot more when they know they have a chance. I have an izzet spellslinging deck I love to pull out and have had buddies tell me that the tension when I'm comboing off is almost more exciting than the rest of the game.

>>96005930
the friend who criticized me the most for using an infinite mana combo in my arixmethes deck is also the only one who uses infinite combos himself in his decks.
he begged me to go back to it after I rebuilt it into seamonster board wipe tribal

>>96005930
Chains!?

>>96005942
i still accept yours though

>>96005930
Instant win combos (usually because some part of it goes infinite) are lame and lead to insanely samey games. Sure, we could play another game. Oh, you killed everyone with thoracle again after tutoring for it? Riveting. Perhaps a third game will go differently? No? Good to know.

>>96005960
thanks for showing that making awful jank to prove a point works
infinite combos are there to save time and have more games for the night despite them sometimes being anticlimactic

>>96005968
this but turning the same 20/20 creature sideways

>>96005974
Too often I've met players who say "oh, I've got this infinite combo in my deck but I don't really use it, the wincon is this other thing" and then their deck pretty much only ever wins with the infinite combo is... Like six times, but that's still a very irritating pattern.

>>96005960
arixmethes its a hard to set up combo, you can see it miles ahead, when you have it means its really late game and its a absolute win since its only inf green mana and you need a good target for it
people hate EARLY game infintines or shit like i now have infite turns

>>96005968
thoracle is ofc one of many wotc mistakes and that's why they put the thing as a GC
not all instant win combos are awful though, are you really complaining if a guy manages to ult their walker to victory via doubling season?

post irl decks and tell us how you win

>>96005997
>people hate EARLY game infintines or shit like i now have infite turns
to be more specific
1. people hate combos that are not telegraphed (win "out of nowhere" with an empty board)
2. people hate it when you win "too early" (which is what infuriates me about gavin, just say people can't go infinite/near infinite before a specific turn, it's not like the game can't handle making you not be able to do something depending on the turn, picrel)
3. the opponent taking infinite turns suck if they're just going to durdle with those turns (which is what they often do anyways)

>>96003733
>Vehicles are the pushed pet card of artifacts
>VEHICLES

>>96006012
There are meme combos that will win games that are just funny, like phage+fractured identity (which is sorcery speed, 12 mana and an unprotected 7-mana creature that needs to survive) or something convoluted involving a chain of 7 cards and some esoteric rules interaction. But the large, large majority of instant win combos aren't like this, they have far more in common with thoracle and just feel like wet farts, especially after the tenth time of "demonic tutor into combo" ending.

>>96006069
>anons don't take brackets seriously
>anons also complain when people freely use demonic tutor and thoracle in ostensibly bracket 2 power level tables
i get that wotc has made so many boneheaded decisions but brackets is one of their better ones, people really should take it more seriously

>>96006064
He's calling artifacts pushed pet cards. Hating artifacts is basically admitting you don't like magic.

>>96005950
Very nice anon, very nice! I wish you good fortunes on the battles to come.

>>96006093
Swap demonic tutor for diabolic, same effect. "ooooh, this is bracket 2, I only have a few tutors!"
Brackets can never fix faggots being faggots.

>>96006105
>being afraid of fucking diabolic tutor
thanks for self reporting as an actual faggot

>>96006069
see, thats a slow combo, people can see it, and its late game, its good for lategame nfinites where everyone is tired/used most of its resources and want a new game

>>96006105
All tutors ruin the spirit of commander, a single tutor makes your 1 important card to 2 important cards in deck

I want to build a new deck but I'm not sure what to go for.
These are my ideas so far

>>96006118
>All tutors ruin the spirit of commander
i don't see that in the original 1994 edh rules though

https://orkerhulen.dk/onewebmedia/93_94%20old%20school%20EDH%20rules.pdf

>>96006108
*whooosh*

>>96005950
Drop blood moon, drop chain saw, drop about 5 ramp spells, drop brighthearth, maybe invasion since you want them dying anyways and honestly 2-3 burn spells. Replace it all with interaction and card draw. Red is fine you just didnt include a single interactive red spell. Return the favor richochete etc. You can protect your commander quite well.

>>96006131
Wait keep invasion i misread but the commander does

>>96006018
Posting an updated pic, changed out some stuff for today.
Added:
>Necron Deathmark
>Millikin
>Gifts Ungiven
Removed:
>Grim Captain's Locker
>Skyswimmer Koi
>The Mycosynth Gardens
So far the main wincon has been Golbez dragging out a huge, useful body like Apocalypse Demon or Broodstar. The only other way I won was punching with Karnstructs once.

>>96006131
The chainsaw stays, that is non-negotiable. I had a bunch of ramp because I figured the deck needs a lot of mana since it'll be burning through mountains at a pretty rapid rate if you have no other sources of goblins. Also the reason for the Rings, since it means you can tap the mountains you sac to fuel the rings and get more goblins that way.

>>96006130
reminder that your irrational hatred for anyone searching their library is what got us "whenever X do Y" value slop
thanks faggot!

>>96006123
Daretti has the most potential to be fun, if you want to ulti with him you need to go stax though because people shouldn't let him stick to the board.

>>96006170
>triggered abilities bad
I think you might not like Magic.

>>96006175
>searching your library bad
what's clear is that you're just a fag

>>96006184
You can at least make the argument that tutors effectively reduce the variety of a singleton format. To argue you don't like triggered abilities is just a problem with magic as a whole and makes me question if you even like, let alone play, this game.

>>96006161
>31 lands

>>96005950
No Basilisk Collar?
Also you can double up on rings of brighthearth with illusionist's bracers.

>>96006208
dont forget Battlemage's Bracers

>>96006197
>searching library bad
>btw triggered abilities don't reduce the variety of a singleton format, absolutely not, no siree!!
you clearly play a different kind of game
please remain in your basement and never leave it

>>96006215
>triggered abilities don't reduce the variety of a singleton format, absolutely not, no siree
are you... retarded?

>>96006215
This is nonsensical anon.

>>96006228
>>96006229
i'm not the one complaining and being retarded enough to hate diabolic tutor, sorry

>>96006208
I'm uncertain about Basilisk Collar. Ib doesn't need it, and constantly re-equipping it seems inefficient. Illusionist/Battlemage Bracer's are good suggestion though, I might go back and see if I can put this together.

>>96006248
I dont care about tutors. Your attempts to argue are incredibly bad though.

All tutor effects with a scant few exceptions like ramp spells should be restricted to cedh level.
>play singleton format
>do everything to play against the idea by getting your crafted same strategy every game

>>96006248
You're really good at being stupid aren't you? Diabolic Tutor is the same as any other tutor, it reduces the variety of your deck by acting as a second copy of literally any card at any time. Disliking that and viewing it as a way to get around the singleton nature of Commander isn't a hard to understand opinion, and I'd even understood if you just disagreed and didn't have a problem with tutors, but bitching about Triggered Abilities is fucktarded and complete nonsense. You're completely brainrotted if you can unironically write down the words "Whenever X do Y value slop".

>>96006253
2 mana to reequipt isn't the worst, plus sometimes 4 damage isn't enough.
Also no crucible of worlds?

>>96006266
>I dont care about tutors.
then don't defend a fag that's afraid of diabolic tutor then
>Your attempts to argue are incredibly bad though.
downplaying triggered abilities as never being on the same level as tutors is pretty dumb considering sisay is legal while erayo, leovold, and nadu are not

>>96005895
>>96004842
Shocked you saved these.

>>96006316
I try and be budget conscious and avoid 30 dollar cards when I make decks. I swear to god Purphorous and the throne has gone up a shitton since I put them in there.

>>96006311
>hating tutors is justified
>btw hating triggered abilities is never justified
like i said, never leave your basement

>>96006161
>Armix
>Broodstar
>Sliversmith
>Unshakable Tail
>Darksteel Juggernaut
>Pactdoll Terror
>Gogo
>Apocalypse Demon
>Master of Etherium
>The Warring Triad
>The Cyber-Controller
>Transplant Theorist
>Nick Valentine
>Rook Turret
>Eye of Duskmantle
in the same deck as
>Urza
>Forensic Gadgeteer
>Walking Ballista
>Thopter Squadron
>Pitiless Plunderer
>Emry
>Thought Monitor
>Canoptek Scarab Swarm
>Ruthless Technomancer
>Necron Deathmark
>Matoya
>Doom Whisperer
>Vedalken Archmage
>Stridehangar Automaton
>Sicarian Infiltrator
>Arcbound Ravager
And this is just the creatures. What the fuck is this?

>>96006334
>Look at all my expensive shit, who cares if the synergy is shit, my deck is worth 5 grand!

Is that a cruel tutor? Save me sheldon the spirit of the format is in jeopardy.

>>96006336
I sometimes wonder what the most expensive deck you could make within the 100 card limit is.
The salt score on Archideckt tempts me to try to optimize for that too.

>>96006341
holy shit a tutor!
the game is RUINED!!!
AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>96006336
nothing on that list except arcbound ravager is more than 10 dollars and most of it is bulk

If they didn’t go against the formats nature and abuse it’s slower speed/multiplayer format tutors would be okay. See constructed where no one gives a shit if you “wasted” 4 mana on diabolical because it sets you back that far in streamlined games

>>96006351
Bad bait.

>>96006302
>play singleton format
>do everything to play against the idea by getting your crafted same strategy every game
>btw when you play a 60 card deck with a 4-of restriction it's perfectly fine to play against the idea by getting your crafted same strategy every game
yet another retard running around, lmao

OH MY GOD THE CONSISTENCY
IM GOING INSANE

>>96006376
Why do you even post

Putting redundancy in your deck is against the spirit of the format.

>>96006388
proof next thread?

>>96006383
JUDGE MY OPPONENT IS PLAYING A CEDH DECK

>>96006360
>bad bait
The only card on that list that are worth more than a few bucks are Urza, Walking Ballista, Canoptek Scarab Swarm, Vedalken Archmage, and Arcbound Ravager.

>>96006410
Go down every card on the list and tally up the value retard.

>>96006352
jokes on you i think the format's nature is to be won and i'll do my best to get my 25% winrate against 3 opponents using tutors, sorry not sorry

>>96006415
Okay...
>>96006334
>Armix
bulk
>Broodstar
bulk
>Sliversmith
bulk
>Unshakable Tail
like a dollar
>Darksteel Juggernaut
bulk
>Pactdoll Terror
bulk
>Gogo
2 dollars
>Apocalypse Demon
bulk
>Master of Etherium
bulk
>The Warring Triad
3 dollars
>The Cyber-Controller
bulk
>Transplant Theorist
bulk
>Nick Valentine
bulk
>Rook Turret
bulk
>Eye of Duskmantle
bulk
>Sai, Master Thopterist
bulk
>Urza
that print is like 8 dollars
>Forensic Gadgeteer
2 dollars
>Walking Ballista
10 bucks
>Thopter Squadron
bulk
>Pitiless Plunderer
3 dollars
>Emry
bulk
>Thought Monitor
bulk
>Canoptek Scarab Swarm
10 dollars
>Ruthless Technomancer
3 dollars
>Necron Deathmark
4 dollars
>Matoya
2 dollars
>Doom Whisperer
bulk
>Vedalken Archmage
10 dollars
>Stridehangar Automaton
3 dollars
>Sicarian Infiltrator
5 bucks at most
>Arcbound Ravager
like a hundred dollars
>>96006423
>only wanting a 25% win rate
cringe and weak, go for 50%

>>96006436
>cringe and weak, go for 50%
i'm trying but it's hard to consistently do that in a pod when people cry at the sight of diabolic tutor

>>96006436
No anon, go to the original image and tell me what the value every card in the deck is.

>>96006470
>moving the goalposts

>>96006480
No, those were my original goalposts,
>The deck is worth 5k
>The deck
>The whole deck
Sorry your frothed like a retard due to poor reading comprehension.

>>96006352
You have never played constructed and this post proves it
>>96006492
This matters why?

>like to build cities, castles, walls and secure them with towers and siege weapons
commanders and themes for this obsession?

>>96006492
The goalposts were mine, dumbass. I was citing the disparity in quality between the creatures in the deck. Some are combo pieces and other are completely unplayable trash like Sliversmith.

>>96006495
>Moving goalposts.
Whomp-fucking-whomp. I accept your concessions. learn to read next time.

>>96006499
Arcades obviously

>>96005930
It's because people tutor for them to pull it off ASAP. It's so fucking boring watching a friend tutor the Exquisite Blood/Sanguine Bond literally every game just to win by turn 4-5. How fucking lame of a deck do you have to have, where you just play the same 5 cards every single time???

>>96006508
we're not the ones begging their opponents not to run diabolic tutor because of muh spirit of the format
womp womp womp!

>>96006508
I didnt move anything cause thats my first reply to you I just saw you sperging over big number and im asking why anon

>>96006515
>knows his friend will do this every game
>not once has he ever held removal
>opts instead to lose, not learn, and bitch endlessly

>>96006524
Every time we DO use removal he scoops because "what's the point in playing if I can't pull off the combo?" Besides, counter argument: What the fuck is the point of playing a singleton format if you're just going to play the same boring 2 card combo every game? If I wanted to play the same cards over and over I'd make a 60 card constructed deck

>>96006515
maybe it's the [insert infinite combo here] being deployed by [turn 4-5!!] that's the problem?
i swear gavin pussyfooting around is causing so many unnecessary issues

Taimanin UB when

>>96006544
What is Taimanin and why should I partake of whatever it is?

>>96006551
its a hentai series.

>>96006540
>"what's the point in playing if I can't pull off the combo?"
nobody will have a problem if everybody comboed out on turn 15 and you missing this fact is hilarious
>What the fuck is the point of playing a singleton format if you're just going to play the same boring 2 card combo every game?
>If I wanted to play the same cards over and over I'd make a 60 card constructed deck
look at you telling people what they should or shouldn't do without compromise LMAO

>>96006560
>using an infinite combo on turn 4 is exactly the same as using one on turn 15 so both should be okay
Bait or mental retardation? Call it.

>>96006572
proof that i said comboing out on turn 4 is ok?
bwahahahaha

>>96005930
When someone puts an elf on the board, you know it's probably going to kill you by attacking you to death. It's neither surprising now unexpected when the craterhoof "combo" piece makes it into a bigger creature that will attack you to death. You had the opportunity to respond with full knowledge of what would happen if you didn't.

If someone plays an artifact that taps to untap an artifact and they untap their sol ring every now and then, that's whatever. Then when they play an artifact that taps to deal 1 damage to any target and untaps another artifact, now you instantly win the game and this can't be responded to outside of teferi's protection or krosan grip.

Infinites are only a problem at low power where players shouldn't be expected to know every single infinite interaction in the game, since a more experienced group would have better threat assessment and more interaction pieces.

>>96006129
Most autistic post in thread. You genuinely are not able to comprehend an unwritten social contact unless it is explicitly stated in a concrete list of things one should or should not do.
Assuming you aren't on government benefits, you should consider becoming a lawyer's aide.

>>96006636
Thank you.

>>96006636
>>96006638
if it's worth protecting it's worth having it written down
and since i didn't write it down that means i didn't care one bit about demonic tutor
cry more fags
>t. sheldon menery, from the beyond the grave

>$10 now
People are finally waking up to this card

>>96006636
But Sheldons oldest decks all have tutors in them anon. If the original people that popularized this game weren't upholding this supposed social contract im inclined to believe it never existed.
>>96006129
>edh
>1994
Huh

>>96006657
Zzzzz there's like 100 cards like this

>>96006659
don't blame me that's literally the url, edh 94

>>96006671
So you literally have no fucking clue what you're talking about and are just linking random things? Magic was invented in 93/94 edh wasn't a thing til the late 90s early 00s

>>96006659
>But Sheldons oldest decks all have tutors in them anon. If the original people that popularized this game weren't upholding this supposed social contract im inclined to believe it never existed.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE
anti-tutor anons, our response?!

>>96006677
have you even considered why it's even called [Elder Dragon] Highlander to begin with?
holy newfag

>>96006688
Yes... its named after the dragons. That doesn't change the irrefutable fact that it was a thing until the late 90s/early 00s. The irony of calling me a newfag while unironically thinking edh started in 94 is hilarious. Doubly hilarious when you remember that EDH started as a way to waste time and definitely had no website and no rules manual of any sort. It spread and was taught by word of mouth. Any "social contracts" would be regional as evidenced by the fact that the earliest deck lists we have of this time (Sheldon menerys) all include tutors

>>96006708
it being "popular" only in the early 2000s doesn't invalidate that it was created in 94 because guess what, tournaments were already being held at that time and judges wanted to pass the time with something different
embarrassing display

>>96006555
Oh. Any interesting tags? The outfit on the girl is sexy, but if it's just generic hentai it probably would be a retarded UB anyway.

>>96006725
It wasn't created in 94. Absolutely no one who plays edh thinks this. You are a FF tourists trying to larp as a seasoned player.

>>96005733
How long did it take, and roughly, how many cards are in your collection? I need to hire a Asian kid to organize my big ass collection

>>96006732
>interesting tags
Confinement.

>>96006732
Literally google it.

>>96006129
Do yourself a favour and Google "old school magic 93" it is another fan made format. What you linked is a variant of Old School Magic 93/94 and commander that mixes the two.. to give you Old School EDH 93/94. Holy FUCK you are retarded
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Old_School

Why haven't they done a UB with a company whose media would not only fit within MTG, but is also a fan of MTG and takes huge inspiration from it

>>96006739
7k cards and took maybe an hour and a half for each colour to scan, sort and put away and then only a little bit extra for colourless and multi.
So probably 8ish hours over a couple of nights.
Not scanning them would have made it much faster but it just takes time.
I have friends that sort them further and have them alphabetically within the mana costs but I think that would make me suicidal.

>>96006657
What could have caused this? Wonder if there was a precon with red and an equipment theme recently.

>>96006738
>relying on google ai
kekw
clearly you don't have any idea that bolas and co. (and the entire Legends set as a whole, cuz gold cards) were so cool for their time that EDH was already being thought of in 1994, so cry more newfag

>>96006777
Yeah it's great with Cloud too but it was also great with prior equipment-mattera commanders like Gwyn

>>96006778
That is not Google AI anon.... that is a snippet direct from the Wikipedia page.
>>96006768
You literally linked the rules of a fan made format made within the past few years because youre so fucking dumb you didnt know Old School magic existed

>>96006768
>>96006790
>relying on wiki now
not only are you not proving that tutors are against the spirit of EDH (which was the post i'm replying to) it still doesn't change the fact that EDH was created in 94 due to legends set and that menery himself ran tutors lmao

>>96006808
Don't worry anon I also have the article that claim is from :)
https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/28/21266763/magic-the-gathering-commander-origins-elder-dragon-highlander-alaska-menery
>created in 94
Wrong. The earliest date we have for an EDH deck is 96. Knowledge is free with the internet and you still haven't addressed the fact you linked the rules page for a format made in the last 8 years lol. The PDF you linked references a format that didnt exist until the mid 00s LMFAO

>>96005930
why play when I know I cannot win every time?

>>96006834
so not only have you STILL not proven that tutors are against the spirit of the format (which was why i put up that link in the first place), the best you have is
>yeah adam stanley fell in love with bolas in 1994, but he only made his deck in 96! so gotcha!
far cry from your "muh early 2000s!" claim, so yeah, you're still a newfag and probably also afraid of diabolic tutor KEK

>>96006863
You're retarded anon. Tutors are not against the spirit of the format because sheldon ran them in his earliest decks which I already posted and proved.
>far cry
No? I said late 90s (which that is) and early 00s referring to it actually taking off and being spread around.

Are you going to address the fact you linked the rules page of a modern format and argued on your life that it was the actual original EDH rulesbook despite it referencing a format made in the mid 00s?

>>96005930
Too easy to win with.

>>96006884
>Tutors are not against the spirit of the format because sheldon ran them in his earliest decks which I already posted and proved.
thanks for agreeing with me on that
>Are you going to address the fact you linked the rules page of a modern format and argued on your life that it was the actual original EDH rulesbook despite it referencing a format made in the mid 00s?
the reason i put up that link is that if anyone is going to be anal about "muh spirit of the format" it's going to be 93/94 fags

>>96005930
Because they're too fast, harder to interact/stop, and much easier to win with, so that they end up warping both deckbuilding and gameplay of the entire table to account for those factors, eliminating a huge swath of decks from viability. If people wanted that playstyle, they'd play cEDH. But for most people, a significant appeal of EDH is is to play with decks/strategies that aren't competitively viable, so there's a gentleman's agreement to not optimize them out of the running.

>>96006903
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAH NO THAT IS NOT WHY YOU PUT UP THE LINK AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>>96006725
AHAAHHAAHAHAHAHA >>96006903

>>96006771
Elden Ring has too much incest due to GRRM’s influence, might also have to get his permission for the rights of it as well, which will be difficult with all the nothing he’s doing. Also I think they would shit themselves with all the nudity, partial or otherwise, their games contain.
>>96006783
Nobody really plays Gwyn anymore though, I thought? More/cheaper equipment or Voltron commanders have been released since then.

>>96006913
>the reason i put up that link is that if anyone is going to be anal about "muh spirit of the format" it's going to be 93/94 fags
reading reps, i was arguing over tutors dumbass
you're the only one in this thread who's anal about when edh was created, so ofc i gave different proofs for that
this isn't the own you're looking for and fact is edh was already in stanley's mind in 1994 ;)

>>96006884
Tutors themself are not, they are ok to react to your opponents
Tutoring to the same thing everygame, is nigger coded

>>96006931
Yes. You were arguing over tutors. Then you linked something entirely irrelevant trying to bolster your position. I pointed out how its actually entirely irrelevant then you sperged out because you didnt realize you linked something that had nothing to do with anything. You've now flipflopped on whether or not you believed it twice and are back to pretending you know what youre talking about and can read people's minds in the past. A thoroughly embarrassing display on your part.
>gave proofs
Except you haven't, everything shared about when EDH was created directly contradicts your erroneous belief of 94.

>>96006957
>Except you haven't, everything shared about when EDH was created directly contradicts your erroneous belief of 94.
not only is your best proof "oh it was created in 96 because stanley only showed up with a deck at that time, who cares if stanley was already thinking of generals in 94" it also calls into question why you would even mention the early 2000s - because who cares when this format was "popular"?" fucking hell why even bring that up? bwahahaha

>>96006976
>Common level five color fixing
This is gonna be a wild draft set isn't it?

>>96006983
You dont know what Staley (not stanley but you're just learning who he is so ill overlook it) was thinking anon. All we know is by his own fucking admission he did not create the format til 96.
>why mention 00
Because when something takes off is just as important. Sheldon is a bigger name than Staley for a reason anon.

>>96006985
.... do you think this is new?

>>96007009
It's not new, but command bridge is better since you can tap anything

>>96006999
>oh no you thought it was stanley because so many people have that last name you incorrectly assumed, argument invalid!
uh oh "minor spelling mistake" vibes there anon
>Because when something takes off is just as important
we weren't talking about when it "took off" though (nobody ever mentioned that other than you), so why bring it up?
i could also be just as anal as you and say that i win this argument because 94 is a lot closer to 96 than 96 is to 99 (because that still counts as late 90s), but i won't, because i'm not as retarded as you lmao

>>96006917
A guy in my group still plays Gwyn. Unless I'm forgetting something commanders the only better equipment commanders released since Gwyn are Captain America, Cloud, and Nahiri, which are all in different color identities.

>>96007028
>minor spelling mistake
Except you make it every time you've typed his name because again, this is the first time you've ever heard of him. No more attention for you go pester your parents.
>I could be anal and say I win
You can do whatever you want anon you'll still be wrong ^.^ 96 is objectively not 94 and is late 90s.

>>96007023
Wow, it's slightly better than a common effect that barely even saw draft play in Strixhaven, RTR, or probably a few other sets.

>>96007048
You know why you are arguing semantics instead of the point you've lost the argument and are performing women behavior

>>96007055
>Slightly better
In actually significantly better and will see play

>>96007048
>No more attention for you go pester your parents
uh oh running away now? lmao
>You can do whatever you want anon you'll still be wrong ^.^
i've already posted my proofs for staley (correct spelling now just for you kek) thinking up the format in 94, it's up to you whether you believe that or not, just saying don't post strawmen about stuff nobody's talking about, because again nobody here is debating when edh got "popular" alright? lol

>>96007066
>you claim it was made in 94
>I claim no it was made in the late 90s
>all facts point to late 90s
This isnt semantics. You are just flat out incorrect lol

>>96007070
Maybe occasional play in limited, but it's definitely not going to see constructed play or play in optimized EDH

>>96007072
Where is your proof that he thought it up in 94 LMAO where anon! Please link to the post in question! Is it the pdf rules for a format made in the mid 2010s that reference a format made in the mid 00's you swore was the official edh rulebook

>>96007073
>>96007083
>provide proof that staley was already in love with (still straight) bolas and was already thinking of ways to make him "the main character/general" back in 94
>hurr durr doesn't count
i thought you weren't going to give me attention anymore? hahahaha

>>96007094
Where did you provide this proof anon

>>96007098
>>96006778

>>96007103
>highlander
>100 life
>leaders/generals
>no color identity yet
>literally not the same at all
Yea that is EDH you're right LOL. Now when does Staley himself claim the first deck was made? You are literally trying to rewrite history in spite of what the creator himself has said

>>96006778
>highlander would then evolve into
This directly contradicts you anon

>>96007107
>>96007115
when staley actually released his deck is irrelevant, just as the first atom being detonated in trinity new mexico doesn't mean that was the start of nuclear technology

ok, this looks to be a 3, but it's so optimized that it just woops ass. I didn't realize how powerful it was.

https://archidekt.com/decks/14041500/burning_chaos_in_the_wind


>nothing special, signet, lands, ruby medallion
>turn 4 cast run away steamkin, mana geyser, glint-horn, path of the pyromancer, seething song, commander, nyx lotus, torban, firecrystal, pyretic ritual, flip my commander, staff of compleation, proliferate/untap, flip clive again
>table dies to glinthorn

game 2
>mill player
>fiery emancipation is out
>neheb etc have all been removed
>rionya+cavalier of flames is out
>use cavaliers ability to give rionya +2 and nibelheim aflame
>deal 120+ to all opponents from lands in graveyard

I didn't expect this deck to kick so much ass...

>>96005733
Just do some choke-jacking and kill two fags with one stone

>>96007180
if you needed ~13 cards to win the game in that turn then you deserve that win
it's not as consistent as you think it is though

>I need more non-humans for my Winota deck to get triggers
>I know, I'll buy more humans that make human tokens

>>96007044
There’s also the Dogmeat precon, Galea, Arna, Kellen, NuTetsuo, Chishiro, NuKemba- some are more Voltron than just Equipment, to be fair. One problem I can see with Gwyn is that they don’t print a lot of equipment in black.

>>96007181
Too late, i got off to JAV uncensored lesbian anal already

>>96006976
>enters tapped
My expectations were low but holy fuck

>Burning Chaos in the Wind
People who name their decks shit like this shouldn't be allowed in public

Moved on from my previous deck to a (very nerfed) version of an old sticker voltron deck I enjoyed a lot last time I played it. Cut the infect package and limited it to three game changers to be a little more in-line with the average pod at my LGS. Goal is to stack stickers on Ukkima and flicker/reanimate him until everyone is dead.

>>96006985
>>96007070
Yeah tap down your blocker in order to play a tapland in modern limited. Fucking idiot. These cards are ALWAYS overrated.

>>96007263
Most of those are not better than Gwyn though

>>96007296
>Modern
This is a commander thread retard

No one will ever play these color fixing lands outside of draft because they already exist and no one plays them outside of draft.

What really happened is some noobies saw a card not knowing its a well established thing and instead of going oh well now I know, they have to make up reasons why this one is SOOOOOOOOOO different and totally way better

>>96007317

>>96007293
>stickers
These aren't legal

>>96007327
Sorry bitch, commander is the one and only format where stickers are 100% legal.

>>96007211
it just wheels through my own deck, there's so many mana rituals

>>96007289
deal with it nerd, it's a deck name

>>96007289
Its okay that you don't have a creative bone in your body anon but dont let it make you resentful

>>96007303
True, some of them would be better served in the 99 of other decks, but the good ones I feel like get more frequent support and cost less mana to cast.

>>96007293
>stickers
holy subhuman

Hey guys check out my new deck I just made. I call it "Seething Hatred of a Billion Chuds Swirling in an Abyss of Exemplary Light: Frosted Night, the Fall of Eternity - Death's Demise, Starring Paul Giamatti as Himself, narrated by Tom Waits. Now for a quick word from our sponser, Better Help."
It's a mono R goblin deck.

>>96007442
They're not bad with commanders that care about base power. Note that as long as the commander remains in a public zone, it will always retain the sticker.

>>96007515
Or
>SHoaBCSiaAoEL: FNtFoE - DDSPGaHnbTW
For short

>>96007522
It's not about the powerlevel, but because it's stickers, it's too kid-coded and the best charitable thing you can say about it is that it makes things look cheap (gunpla)

>>96007569
My favorite thing about stickers is that the icon for them looks like a razor blade, which is what people who play stickers should be using on themselves at the earliest opportunity.

>>96007569
You sound like an insecure fag anon ima be real with you

>>96007569
That's stupid and irrelevant to the gameplay

>>96007577
They look like ticket stubs you'd get at a carnival or arcade. You're trying way to hard and just come across like a whiny girl

Whats some fun stuff to stick in here? He kinda builds himself but theres some wiggle for some antics. I was thinking the sanguine bond kinda combo stuff or maybe some master of cruelties/vorpal sword stuff

>>96007515
It'd be funny if you actually tried to be campy and funny, instead it's just a faggoty passive aggressive post. maybe that's a reason people don't like you?

>>96007578
>>96007579
>muh gameplay
there's a reason they will never do kamigawa flip cards anymore even though it "works"

>>96007615
black rats
red rats
anything to give your rats power
ditch that shitling for totentaz

>>96007515
>>96007564
based desu senpai

>>96007615
A bunch of pingers that hit all opponents? Then every turn activate 1 so it triggers 3 times on each of your opponents turns and has 9 counters by the time it gets back to your turn

>>96007658
Doesn't it only trigger off of an opponent of it is their turn? So at most you can only get 3 per round.

>>96007669
ah yeah I read it wrong. Whoops. Well, pingers regardless

>>96007615
it's that opponent on their turn. manabarbs, anything that adds a life cost to spells, zo-zu, endbringer, havoc festival, the nekusar damage-on-draw effects, and for yourself phyrexian arena type effects are fine.
keep in mind everyone will get really annoyed with you.

>>96007621
I never said gameplay anon you should try reading the posts you reply to.
>kamigawa
Cause people are low IQ those are some of the best dual cards they've ever printed

>>96007621
Yeah, they'll never do stickers again. But I do get to run the ones that exist regardless.

>>96007615
sheoldred
every card that can tutor sheoldred
cards that can cheat sheoldred into the field

People not liking stickers I can understand, but what're people's opinions on attractions? I'm building a deck for them right now and I like how it's coming along

>>96007732
I love them, very fun

>>96007732
They're just "eh"
Not crazy but not good either.

>>96007732
Nothing really against them in particular, I just don't like stuff that adds extra things you have to keep track of but only one player ever really interacts with (e.g. dungeons).

>>96007732
I have no idea how they work and don't want to know.

>>96007747
The idea so far is to flood the board with them and use an effect like these to make people lose large chunks of life. I'm especially happy that Master of the Bridge exists
>>96007748
Yeah I've been super wary of the idea for a long time since I have a Narci sagas deck and when that shit gets rolling, I'll have like 30+ triggers every turn. Shit gets brutal and I feel terrible for my friends who have to sit through my long ass turns

>>96007748
That's going in my deck of painful lessons for sure. I am trying to maximize bullshit side-mechanics to keep track of. Are attractions actually legal for play?

Anyone else brewing Amy? I think her ability to free equip looks interesting. Sunforger immediately comes to mind. If nothing else I think Amy definitely has a home in Feathers 99 because her second ability also plays along with Feathers buff gameplan.

>>96007748
>I just don't like stuff that adds extra things you have to keep track of but only one player ever really interacts with
then you'd hate attractions more because for some reason they had to be artifacts, aka the most broken card type in the game

>>96007828
>22 cards where the card types include “attraction” and it’s legal in Commander
There's a few illegal ones but a good amount of legal cards

>>96007838
I dunno. I do think she seems good but it's an archetype that we have plenty of options already. She seems comparable to this

>>96007621
The reason I built
>>96007293
was because of the gameplay. The permanence of stickers in the command zone is appealing. Similar to cards like Skullbriar or The Master, Formed Anew or Mairsil the Pretender where your gameplan accretes.

>>96007828
But you're the only one who has to keep track of this stuff. Are you trying to teach yourself...?

>>96007851
The thing with Amy is that she can steal equipment, so if one of your opponents drops a "Sword of ___" well okay thanks buddy

shes the best rakdos commander but hey shoutouts to lord of riots I guess

>>96007866
True! There is definitely some utility with that ability that is pretty unique

>>96007872
The best Rakdos commander is this

>>96007838
>it's another RW equipment commander
She's extremely boring, stoneforge for hammer, attack, kill someone turn 4. Also don't know why you would ever play her in feather that seems horrendous.
>>96007866
Most swords give the ability to their controller and not to the creature they're attached to.

>>96007866
She cannot steal. She can equip enemy equipment. But on their turn they can re equip it to their creatures.

>>96007293
I didn't know stickers stay stuck to your commander when it moves to your CZ. I have a deck with a companion and a sticker generating card, which is cool, cause my commander has the inherent ability to be reanimated from the gy. Also, I like flexing on my opponents before the game starts by randomly choosing 3 sticker sheets. Same goes for my attraction deck. Fuck yeah, we vibe.

>>96007883
>Most swords give the ability to their controller and not to the creature they're attached to.
Straight up zero of them do. Attach to Amy, Amy's controller gets the effects. Why try to make that shit up?

>>96007883
that reminds me, so is Cloud the best Assault Suit commander now? he fetches the suit and you just run all 'when equipped creature deals combat damage do X' equipment?

>>96007906
anon they say "you"
"you" are the sword's controller
if they gave the effect to the creature's controller they would be formatted as "equipped creature has "whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, do X and Y""
they ALL benefit only the controller of the equipment.

>>96007906
The only one of these that actually works as intended is Kaldra. Every instance of "you" is for the controller of the equipment. Attaching equipment to a creature is not the same as gaining control of it.

>>96007922
>>96007925
Well I'll be the first to admit that I'm a fucking moron.

>>96007903
The important part is that they remain face up. If your commander gets hit with a bounce effect and you let it return to hand, the cards will be moved to the sticker sheet. So long as the card is face-up and remains face-up when changing zones, the effect will persist.

>>96007922
Genuinely curious what's the difference here. Because I know in my Eriette deck if I enchant someone with this and their creature deals damage I gain life not them.

>>96007883
>Also don't know why you would ever play her in feather that seems horrendous.
She free equips Sunforger, Feather can be surprisingly mana hungry so the ability to mitigate cost can't be understated. Her second ability also lets you spread any pump spell you cast on her, which can be helpful when applying pressure. And, she can steal equipment. Which isn't nothing. Amy is pretty good overall.

>>96007940
Spirit Link and Vampiric Link work like that because you control the aura. it's the exact same situation with Amy except in reverse, as if someone enchanted/equipped your creature with something.
it's like the difference between Lifelink (the card or any given aura that gives the enchanted creature the keyword) and Spirit/Vampiric Link.

>>96007881
Chadow is gonna rape the cEDH scene

Did you get anything good in the mail today Anons?

>>96007940
>>96007965
>whenever enchanted creature deals damage, you gain that much life
vs
>enchanted creature gains lifelink

>>96007974
No he will probably be tried and then forgotten

>>96007979
some combo piece singles from aetherdrift and thunder junction. they came in a toploader that was wrapped in a couple of pages from a math textbook for some reason. just in the envelope in several super-thin textbook pages, no invoice.

>>96007965
Where is Amy gaining control though? Like i understand she takes and equips the card but does that count as gaining control? The original owner can still equip it wherever he wants and magic is pretty literal

>>96008003
based "I'm blowing my life up to try and become another autistic MTG day trader" vendor

>>96007838
>Make Cloud, a Naya Equipment commander with Haste and free equip
>Make Amy, a Boros Equipment commander with Haste and free equip
Im glad they're finally understanding the correct formula for Equipment commanders after all these years.

>>96008013
>but does that count as gaining control?
No

Christ alive why is equipment such an expensive archetype for something so mid

>>96008023
Haste Free Equip is now the boros equivalent of Do Thing Draw Card

>>96008023
After like 30 years they're finally understanding how to make equipment not suck ass

>>96008013
She's not actually "stealing equipment." The owner can still pay to re-equip it on whatever they wanted once it gets back to their turn. So taking someone else's equipment is kinda niche depending on what it is because (like the swords) it may not work properly. At best it just fucks with their tempo if the thing has an expensive equip cost, or it's a big chonker that gives great benefits for the single turn you'll keep it for like colossus hammer.

>>96007872
Depends what you mean by best. Best as in fun to play? Absolutely not.
>lose life ASAP
>turn Rowan sideways
>cast an X spell or two
That's it, every turn, no matter what the board state is, no matter what is happening, your turn is completely pre-determined and it's really fucking boring.

I'm experimenting with pic related right now. I feel like maybe it tries to do too much, because I'm having to split attention between giving doublestrike/unblockable, taking advantage of treasure and sacs, and doing damage to face.
But I have Mahadi and that's an easy rework if this doesnt work out.

>>96007881
I LOVE A PSEUDO RESERVE LIST THAT MAKES RANDOM BULLSHIT OUT-OF UNIVERSE CHARACTERS THE OBJECTIVELY BEST THING YOU CAN BE PLAYING!!!!!!

>>96007998
>do thing draw card + basically all your fucking spells have split second = forgettable
Lmaooooooooooo

>>96008056
The way to get a card is entirely fucking useless in the context of CEDH and CEDH has opposing lines centered around mana abilities all of which can win through split second. You dont know the format and thats okay anon ^.^ treasures aren't as big a thing in the format now and at best you'll get one to two spells off the rocks here.

>>96008032
if equipment didn't have equip costs they just become better auras

>>96008056
>basically all your fucking spells have split second
Most players don't care about this because people don't even understand how instants or the stack work

>>96008076
>treasures aren't as big a thing in the format now
Buddy I can't wait for you to watch 10 min turns where people are just sacing creatures repeatedly and making treasures every time they sac
You don't know rakdos and that's okay anon ^.^
>>96008082
They do in cEDH

>>96008090
Again, you dont know cedh. This card will not see significant play after its hype wears off.
>cedh
>filled with terrible creatures so you can pull your sac outlet and draw cards
>not just tutoring for the massive cae
Rd draw outlets already available

>>96008093
Screencapping for when you're wrong, anon. Looking forward to it.

>>96008090
>You don't know rakdos and that's okay anon ^.^
why would you run shadow over ob nix
it definitely isnt replacing rograkh

>>96008097
How about this. What lines are you going for here? You have 5 minutes to respond

>>96008102
>You have 5 minutes to respond
pfffftttthahahahahaha

bill nye the counters guy

bill bill

+1/+1 counters rule

>>96008129
wrong answer. you are dead, kiddo

>>96008102
nta but Breach LED Wheel lines seem obvious.

>>96008102
>T0 I reveal my hand of discard/counterspells and announce that I would like to draw.
>Explain that I will be selecting an opponent at random who does not agree to draw to throw all of this 1 for 1 interaction at.
>The guy in seat 4 or with a shit hand will hastily agree to this.
>The other two trannies are left to decide between flipping a coin for a chance to 1v1 him, or agreeing to my draw as well.
>We draw and all leave to go dilate now that our 11 hour match has been avoided.

>>96008140
My top guy. I trust you'll do the deed.

If a creature has like "opponent loses 2 life" does that work with something that gives infect? Or does is have to specify "deal 2 damage"

>>96008152
>games that end in a lot of draws are bad and boring and a waste of time
haha cute
first time?

>>96008184
If you think the thing I'm making fun of is the occurrence of draws, you are autistic enough to be a cedh player.

>>96008184
chess players still got to play the game to arrive at the draw

>>96008201
>got caught
>trying to scurry away
there are 3 instances of draws in your last post anon
please entertain us and try to explain what your actual punchline was

>>96008166
No, "loses life" is not damage. The source would have to say "deals damage" since Infect's reminder text specifically says "this *deals damage* in the form of poison counters"

>>96008206
making negotiations is already playing the cedh game

>>96008184
Draws are literally the reason nobody plays classical anymore. People shit on Bobby Fischer for a spergout that was 100% validated once the rest of the world caught up to him.

>>96008229
>Draws are literally the reason nobody plays classical anymore
correct
but people want to play cedh regardless despite the tons of draws, so i don't see the harm in letting them

>>96008208
The punchline is that one bad actor can prevent a game from ever even starting, and that the similar lines of action can be taken to arbitrarily hand the game over to a friend or spite someone you dislike.
>>96008237
There's no "harm", I'm just making fun.

>>96008249
You are not me.

>>96008257
What?

>>96007881
Anyone else think split-second is one of the best ability's in the game? Watching people's faces when they realize they cant do a damn thing when I cast Sudden Spoiling will never get old

>>96008340
But there are numerous ways to win through someone else's split second

>>96008340
My pod doesn't even play enough regular removal. I haven't seen a counter spell that wasn't cast by me for weeks now. Split Second is pretty irrelevant in most casual pods imo.

>>96008340
It's irrelevant most of the time though.
The other half the time it might as well just say "uncountereble"

>>96008340
>Does anyone else think (ability that does nothing but stop interaction) is really good in (format where players are notoriously terrible at the game and do not run interaction)?

>>96008249
that's not a very good punchline then, because even for games with a lot of draws like chess the idea is to grind out games to eventually get to a win
yes, games are meant to be won and if you're saying that your hypothetical sperg is shameless enough to do that then what's stopping the 3 other players to just gang up on that guy, because thanks btw for showing your hand

>>96006093
Brackets make no sense

>>96008424
>Brackets make no sense
>but formats like standard make sense
>no don't ask me what my reasoning is because i don't have any
roru rumao

>>96008340
I counter it.

>TQ
swordbro

>>96008455
mirrorshell moment

I like brackets, they give me more direction over "well my deck is maybe somewhere in 4-7 power range" with only clear distinction being precise tuning and disqualifier for 10s to be my exact commander of choice for colors and combo route

Looking at celebrating the first paycheck at my new job by upgrading Mutant Menace.
Is it bad manners to bring mill to a casual pod?

>>96008531
he cute

>>96008531
No, and Mothman is the most based mill commander because you aren't trying to mill people out, you're trying to punch them. If it was Propaganda + 50 Persistent Petitioners behind Bruvac, then yes you'd be cancer.

>>96008531
No? Its literally mill as a precon.

>>96008531
mill is generally fine, it's discard that makes people (me) salty

>>96008531
mill is like the least threatening wincon to capitalize on when you're ahead so its fine in casual that at least understands the basics of the format.

>>96006949
Cue the doctor Who" This never happened" anon

>>96008539
>mothman emote
>it's a fucking centipede.
I'll draw you an actual mothman emote cos this shit annoys me

>>96008571
But it did happen

>>96008571
>thinks one person uses that image
There's at least 3

t. one of them

>>96008549
Discard is the most salty ass strategy in the game and it's not even close. I enjoy mill because I see milling out 3 people as a major accomplishment. Sitting there with 0-1 cards in hand? I fucking hate this game and hate your deck

>>96008621
This never happened by the way

All the posters in this thread are me.
Outside my mind, nothing is real.

>>96008454
Because they are built on concrete rules that are not open to "vibes" interpretation. You cannot use the cards on the standard ban list in standard. Period. You CAN use demonic tutor in a bracket 2 deck if the deck is not intending to win fast and so on and so on.

Adding "vibes" to the rules is a joke.

>>96008629
Well said, "me."

>>96008629
>>96008636
Me me me

Me too.

>>96008634
adding "vibes" is gavin's fault, that pussy
imagine putting on the fucking players to police themselves (don't be bad actors now children!), that's a complete pussy move
just imagine what a man with a spine that actually does implement concrete rules
case in point:
> You CAN use demonic tutor in a bracket 2 deck
protip: you literally can't, demonic tutor is a GC and GCs are just bans for bracket 2

>>96008629
Couldn't have said it better myself

>>96008634
>Can pick literally any tutor to illustrate his point
>Picks a banned one

>>96008659
>he noticed it too
funny right
this is the average edh player's intelligence that we have to deal with

>>96008657
Great minds think alike.

>>96008629
most honest solipsist

casual with a lot of restrictions so everyone gets to play a fun fair game or pure unadulterated CEDH, those should be the only options FACT

>>96008629
We're gay

>>96008787
>casual with a lot of restrictions
that's literally formats
nobody plays a pioneer against the odds saffron olive deck vs a now-outdated griselbrand legacy reanimator deck and yet somehow people can't make this same connection with edh decks, utterly embarrassing

>>96008078
I think anon meant $$

>>96008812
oh if that's the case equipment is a lot more expensive because swords (not to mention UB swords) a lot cooler than magic handwavy aura stuff

>>96008787
The problem is most casuals don't understand what "fun and fair" means. Too many players build curve-less greed piles stuffed with big monsters or pumps without any interaction and then get pissy when someone who has an properly built deck has a full board by turn 5 because they actually have ramp and draw and 1-4cmc spells while everyone else is durdling trying to get their Ghalta and Ancient Copper Dragons out but keep getting their stompies deleted because someone dared to run enough removal to actually take out big threats.

Timmies need to learn to be a little less greedy and make some hard cuts about what cards they want in the deck to add interaction, otherwise every game would just be a race to build boards because everything sticks and that'd be a dogshit pod to be in

>>96008032
>>96008078
Its because equipment are more resilient and easier to cheat their costs. And artifact is just a stronger card type than enchantment in general with broader synergies

>>96008832
>Timmies need to learn to be a little less greedy and make some hard cuts about what cards they want in the deck to add interaction, otherwise every game would just be a race to build boards because everything sticks and that'd be a dogshit pod to be in
timmies learned when 60 card deckbuilding strats spilled over to 60 card casual, so too will they learn the same in edh once brackets as formats is normalized

>>96008078
Equipment are already better auras.

next set is star trek

>>96008871
star trek set could be pretty fun honestly

>>96008871
>>96008918
Not beyond the realm of possibility but Hasbro doesn't currently have the rights so it won't be a random Secret Lair drop like Sonic.
Star Wars is more likely honestly.

>>96008936
>we will never get a dragon ball set
At least we can still get an easy bake oven SLD

>>96008936
cant wait for the zoids block bros

>>96008936
>Mario
LETSA GO! Mario and Sonic at the Local Games.

>>96008936
>Sesame Street
>Power rangers
>Pokemon
I would buy all of these

>>96008950
Never say never anon, this was an official test card floating around in Vegas.

>>96009002
Would be fun to use this if it actually bothered to say what a dragonstorm globe was. Doesn't even give a card type.

>>96008950
We literally just got this card dude. Drop the pity party act.

>>96009027
What the fuck does this have to do with dragon ball?

new cradle just dropped

The 5c legendary artifact Maro teased. It can be your commander, too

>>96009027
>Imagine if they do a DBZ secret lair and they reprint this card with the "counts as" title
>dbz card counts as a sonic card
Kek

>>96009041
>what the fuck does them printing a literal super saiyan card that they will have to one day print a non-Sonic version of have to do with Dragonball?
Gee I dunno dude.

>>96009054
Can this be my commander?

>>96009061
That isn't super saiyan and you're making no sense. You clearly just wanted to start some argument but it doesn't make any sense at all. I hope your day gets better for you/you find something more entertaining to do. I';ve better things to do.

>>96009054
oh look, the reminder text.

>>96009056
Now this is battle cruiser magic

>opponent keeps reanimating / flickering Accursed Marauder
I will not sit by and pretend this is ok
the sacrifice jew has been plaguing this game for too long

>>96009070
That is literally a super saiyan form, that's literally what it is in Sonic the Hedgehog: an unashamed parody of Dragonball Z's super saiyan state. God you're dumb.

>>96009056
I'm ok with this

>>96009054
I hope they allow to station creatures with summoning sickness or this is DOA

>>96009056
Inb4 the designslop schizo shows up
>Whenever it enters
SLOP
>Whenever it attacks
SLOP

There we got it out of the way, we get that you hate triggered abilities

>>96009102
Reading the card explains the card

>>96009102
The planet is the one tapping so you're A-OK

>>96009002
>permanent token cards
Finally, battle of wits can be a reality.

>>96009108
wrong, you constantly have to look up card rulings because of retarded shit, like lifelink working against indestructible but deathtouch doesn't

>>96009027
Super Saiyan should not be an aura. It would be far more thematic to make Super Saiyan a flip side of a card that is reached after some specific criteria. This would mimic characters unlocking Super Saiyan. Super State would be the laziest fucking way to do it.

>>96009121
or my absolute favorite
>attack triggers aren't triggered when a creature with them is put onto the battlefield tapped and attacking from another effect

>>96009054
Well the leaks I read said the blue one is essentially tolarian academy. Seeing as it was right about this card probably right about that one too

>>96009056
Now that I have read this I actually think it's fucking terrible

>Etb effect
>But it needs counters so you can't flicker it
>Cares about multicolor permanents
>Creates colorless ones
>Needs 12 fucking counters
>Encourages you to overextend

>>96009054
Never thought I'd see the fuckin day

>>96009054
Wheres that retard that was whinging about station working differently for lands and spacecraft lol

>I play Mirri, now your Kaalia is useless!
Post dumb misunderstandings you've encountered in your games.

>>96009129
I'm sorry but if you don't understand the difference between "I declare this creature as an attacker" and "enters already attacking" then that's on you. It's clear as day

>>96009121
>>96009129
You're genuinely both just dumb. Death touch cant kill something indestructible, but you can still damage it so lifelink obviously works. To the other anon, this was explained very painfully to you just yesterday.

>>96009121
I still have to explain how extort isn't a w/b ability and can be used in mono white or black.

>>96009054
I can't wait for this to do extremely well and blow all the schizo arguments away once more.

>>96009054
Growing rights seems better

>>96009054
I know an overhyped POS mythic when I see one.

>>96009173
I honestly understand the confusion for extort because the hybrid symbol is in the reminder text, and (the casual players I've seen) don't understand that reminder text isn't taken into consideration for color identity. It's drilled into their heads that "all mana symbols on the card contribute to color identity"

>>96009054
>Need to feed it 12 counters
>Costs a green to make green
>>96009180
Rites is better, yes.

>>96009054
even for a budget cradle that seems kinda bad

>>96009163
>but you can still damage it
it's indestructible. if you can damage it, that means it's not indestructible.
>vampire bites the steel golem and sucks out his...
what exactly?
the rules are extremely unintuitive and the cards explain dogshit.

>>96009154
>whenever this creature attacks
>*enters attacking*
>NOOOOO IT HAS ATTACKED SOMEWHERE IN THE ETHER, IT ONLY COUNTS IF THE CREATURE GETS UP FROM IT'S TWO ROOM APARTMENT, COMMUTES TO THE BATTLEFIELD AND SAYS "I ATTACK NOW."
fuck off with this shit

>>96009222
bait or mental retardation? Call it.

>>96009232
neither. it's a simple truth that hurts.

>>96009056
also ozolith doesn't help this card
>you may move all counters from The Ozolith onto target creature.

>>96009222
>it's indestructible. if you can damage it, that means it's not indestructible
What the fuck kek
This has to be bait

>>96009222
>it's indestructible. if you can damage it, that means it's not indestructible.

>>96009228
>I can't understand the rules of a children's game
>that means everyone else is wrong
Yeah okay buddy.

>>96009056
>tokens come in tapped
BUMS

>>96009129
>>96009228
Hey I remember you from like.. over a year ago? Probably longer. Fucking hilarious how you're still wrong this entire time and STILL cannot understand the difference between a creature that's declared as an attacker during the Declare Attackers step, and a creature that comes in *after* the Declare Attackers step is over

>>96009056
Well the card is disappointing but hey it's the first 7/15 in Magic's history so that's kinda neat

>>96009222
Replies are mad but he's right
To a new player "indestructible" sounds like "invincible" so why would you be able to lifelink or trample over it

I was playing a game at my LGS and a guy trying to use Abuelo's Awakening on his Dress Down and we told him he can't do that because it would cause an infinite loop of taking away its own ability only to get it back, and the game rules prohibit you from doing things that would cause an infinite loop. However he tried to give some bullshit explanation about how it's totally fine as long as he doesn't draw the card and also that it sticks around forever because it takes away its own ability to sacrifice itself (???)

Just thought I should share a funny moment of a blue combo player trying to cheat around the no infinites rule of the game.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DIES TO WRATH OF GOD? IT SAYS PROTECTION FROM EVERYTHING!

>>96009342
same as this even when it works it doesn't work SAD

>>96009342
Sad that this isn't even a good card when you understand the rules

>>96009321
>>96009222
Always love it when people try to samefag to make themselves feel better about being 100% wrong. No one's falling for it, no one is going to start magically agreeing with you

>almost every single indestructible card has the reminder text, even now
>destroy effects and lethal damage don't destroy it
>directly says it can be damaged, even lethally

>>96009342
I thought you had to exile it

Uhh, you can't attack me though, I'm phased out.

>>96009429
>>96009281
real schizo hours

>>96009503
You just hate to see it. They need to be added to the list

>>96009471
Commander damage? What are you talking about, my life total can't change.

(You) were funnier when you said lands had colors

>>96009508
I seriously hope I will never become as mindbroken as you. paranoia is part of schizophrenia.

>>96009348
Best (most fun) commander for this background??

>>96009548
No idea. Black/white for ultimate pillowfort? Wilson so you can pump your guy and go all in?

>>96009548
Wilson, refined grizzly (flavor win)

>>96005793
https://moxfield.com/decks/mJ8e39mKjESmNsb809lTBg

couple of gobbo-bitches init

>>96009337
Doesnt dress down erase its own sac trigger because its a creature?

>>96005793
tits too small

>>96009056
>casts Evacuation when you put your last counter on it before your combat phase
Oops, better luck next time asshole

IS sphere grid worth 20 bux? I had the choice of any FF precon and I took the tidus for it.

NEW
>>96009764
>>96009764

Is this the hottest goblin we have? Kreat is the only other I can think of that compares.

>>96009777
is kreat female?

>>96009321
Maybe if its your first time with English

>>96009337
What on earth are you talking about lmao why couldnt he do it?

>>96008950
These are just things Hasbro has or had rights to, making them the strongest candidates for Secret Lairs. Full UB sets, thus far, they seem to negotiate bespoke agreements with other companies for.
>>96008964
I mean probably. It's likely to be a Secret Lair drop sooner or later, as is Minecraft.
>>96008966
What the fuck would you want on Sesame Street cards?
Also canonically The Count is not a vampire, so you're screwed there. They'd probably have to have a muppet creature type or something. Are Sesame Street characters muppets? I don't even know anymore.

>>96009025
It'd just be more gay artifact tokens. Can't have enough of those in Artifacts The Gathering!

>>96009054
So is that stupid black hole just visible from every planet or is this all taking place in the same solar system? I'm getting big JJ Abrams scifi vibes from this dumb fucking set.

>>96010101
It's mostly in the same solar system, with that as their sun.

>>96009129
This is actually a really smart and simple mechanic though.