Thread 96010235

Dare you face my RIPOSTE edition

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>HH 3.0 Leaks
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https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Tough shit.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Lego© Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
With all the rules so far what shall you be making for 3rd edition?

How do you paint your Imperial Fist yellow? Looking for a decent guide

>>96010235 (OP)
>TQ
Not because of rules, but a max squad of saturnine terminators with two plasma bombards each is just peak DA. Will magnetise them if possible to swap for heavy disintegrators, and do games of can-I-kill-you-before-I-kill-myself for shits and giggles.

How's it looking, mechbros?

>>96010264
Base coat them pink first. It will help the yellow pop.
No, really.

>>96010282
Interesting, how bright of a pink are we talking here?

>>96010264
I did a basecoat of Zandri dust and then the averland sunset went on pretty easily.

>TQ
Finishing my blackshields. Thankfully they are close enough to AL in theme and colors that I can run them as that and not feel too off base.

After that, probably a Dark Mech army, since I like decimators and automata ignore status effects and reactions.

>>96010280
I hope and pray for the return of the magos prime, and it's looking pretty likely with all the other nostalgia callbacks this edition. Multi D our stuff crumble quicker kinda blows but hey the cost reductions will probably mean I'll actually have the points to field my cybernetica and reductor or myrmidax and aethertek together as intended (and the latter will probably won't be a pain in the ass anymore)

>>96010324
What scheme is your blackshields?

>>96010329
Army painter Hydra Turquoise with Ushabi Bone helmets and shoulders

>>96010327
>Point reduction, but our units are shittier
I hope they don't go the way of 40k admech, every update reduces both stats and cost and now it's just a swarm army

To the melta anon from the previous thread, you are stationary when deepstriking because you did not make a Move and the default state of a unit is stationary unless declared otherwise.
Most of the other forms of deploying from reserves explicitly say you move onto the battlefield (which as per the FAQ is the same thing as making a Normal Move), but the deepstrike rules do not.

You did not Move during the movement phase, ergo per the rules for heavy weapons, you get to fire at full BS

>>96010360
Deep Striking is a way of coming in from Reserves so the "counts as moving" would still apply when a unit arrives from Deep Strike.
Trying to weasel around that is pathetic WAACfaggotry at its finest.

>>96010377
I can't find that "coming in from reserves counts as moving" thing, do you have an excerpt?

>>96010341
Cool cool

>>96010377
deep strike is a form of deployment, the same way as you putting your models down on the table at the start of the game
all other forms of reserves specify you move onto the table

HH 2.0 was a litmus test of whether you were a real hobbyist or a WAACfag, for tryhards were incapable of ever agreeing with more modest interpretations of the rules.

Deepstrike has always counted as moving, and likely still will.

>>96010506
>>96010510
admit you were wrong

>>96010235 (OP)
Gonna be getting my solar auxilia to 3k points. Planning on doing some napoleonic LARP with the sentinels acting as cavalry and using rapiers as artillery.

I wonder what this implies about deep striking

>>96010512
How many allied detachments can you take?
Can a powerfist be a chaplain's crozius?
How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?

>>96010377
>WAACfaggotry
>Spending minimum 250 points and an hq + heavy slot to get five melta shots off after surviving interceptor from a dozen augury scanners and then getting inevitably torn apart by return fire (also you are more likely than not now in easy charge range so that squad ain't surviving the enemy turn)

>>96010550
>literally admitting that your rule interpretations are a fantasy
lmao

>>96010360
>>96010417
The actual rulebook specifies that you have to have "remained stationary", which in 2.0 was different from simply not moving.

>>96010280
A lighter grey that before. Our 2.0 rules were, in the big picture, such a mess that 3.0 represents a positive opportunity.
The preview alongside the fundamentals of army building mean we'll be taking a whole heap of HQ techpriests, which I would consider a very good thing. Hopefully they don't fall into the same trap of designing them in such a way to discourage actually giving them cool gear.

>>96010565
wrong edition

>>96010571
WTs are gone right? That means you don't have to make your priest a passive reaction farmer. Then again, I don't think we're doing too good in the "challenge edition"

>>96010585
What the hell are you talking about

>>96010593
they are not discussing 3.0 at all, anon.

>>96010600
looked at the first pic too fast, thought that was a warCom screenshot for new Heavy

>>96010593
that excerpt is from the wrong edition
watch, I can do it too

>>96010571
hopefully mech just gets a gambit or whatever it's called that just lets you shoot into the challenge

>>96010587
What if, as a special faction feature, Tech Priests can nominate one of their robots near them as a champion to fight in their stead.
>cocky marinefag makes a challenge
>he gets to face a Thanatar with its Graviton Ram.

>>96010624
Desk I'm just hoping that paragon of metal become at the very least champion subtype. Like, literally just a prime slot in the cybernetica apex detachment and make one of the prime benefits basically 2e paragon of metal (which is already pretty similar to what master Sergeant does) and I'm happy

>>96010360
You have to scatter the model as part of a deep strike, which means the model always moves. A move of 0" is still a move in this case.

>>96010235 (OP)
>TQ
Been stockpiling since the 3e rumors started and have plans to get the saturnine box.
For my TS:
>20 MKII Tacs
>20 MKIII Tacs
>10 MKIV Plasmacannon(Aether?) HSS
>6 MKIV Jetbikes
>Satty Dread
>Satty Termis x6
>10 Blade Cabal
On top of my mixmash 40 Tacs, and myriad other infantry and dreads

My RG/Teran XIXth are getting the other MKII in the form of more destroyers and disintegrator vets.

>>96010624
I mean they're still WS shit Initiative shit vs multi damage attacks from marine characters

>>96010661
Dont engage, 90% of players wont play until the new edition at this point. Every ruled it as moving because every other reserve did and there, some editions you needed to be able to voluntarily elect to remain stationary, etc, there is precedence. Take the moral victory, ignore the "i le won" move denier and take solace in that they will want the last word and say something that sounds polite/constructive but is a thin veneer for the malice and bad faith arguments.

tl;dr dont shit up the thread with tired arguments for an edition that is moments from death.

>>96010561
Concession accepted.

>>96010702
admit you are wrong

>>96010705
nah

>>96010700
>your argument
bad faith, malicious, also just wrong
>my argument
righteous, well researched and most importantly, correct

>>96010265
they have to stand still to fire both but even averaging 2 targets per template that's a reasonable chunk of a tactical squad on sustained (it's like 9 MEQ)

tbqh even vs 2+/4++ there's no real reason to use Maximal - that number of shots concentrated onto one unit, short of some disastrous scattering should do a decent chunk of damage, there's no actual benefit to risking Overload just to get double Breaching and the Strength doesn't affect it at all

There was a retarded troll in the previous thread >>96007684 ; is that him again? Why are you giving him attention?

>>96010709
Seeing as remaining stationary operates on a per model basis, if we're taking this at face value than only one model (the initial one place down) would have counted as moving.
Don't get mad because the rules don't work the way you want them too

My buddy and I are planning to play a big 5k AL vs DG game, do you guys have any suggestions for a fun mission? We're both bringing tons of tacs and tanks, each with a super-heavy and a primarch too.

>>96010235 (OP)
>tq
Gonna be making an infantry heavy word bearers. Pretty much every new mini they’ve announced is something I can use to good effect including the mk2 assault marines being modified into ashen circle

>>96010862
Followup question, would putting two normal tables together (so an 8*6 foot map instead of 4*6) work from a gameplay standpoint? Or should we put them together aligned to make a 4*12?
All the other big games I've played were on the ground.

Assuming the wargear for consuls doesn't change I'm thinking of making a duelist champion with its paragon blade, plus a spear, plus a thunder hammer just so it can be prepared to square up on anyone.
Maybe I should try and convert some kind of bizarre combi-melee weapon for him but that wouldn't look as funny as physically carrying three weapons. And a combi melta.

>>96010883
8x6 becomes kinda hard to physically move units around, near the middle of the board.

>>96010897
>>96010883

How about 3 of the new smaller 40k mats in an h shape like this? Clashing over a giant bridge/no man's land in some shit hole hive.

>>96010891
>poleaxe

>>96010862
>>96010883
>do you guys have any suggestions for a fun mission?
Any of the relic hunt missions would be my suggestion, I tend to find those pretty fun. If you want something more specific, Secure the Crash Site would be my pick though that might be hard to do on a bigger board. If you don't want to do a relic hunt, 'Salt the Ground' from the Death of Canopus exempalary battle pdf is pretty fun and flavourful, but again could be fucked/skewed depending on what both your armies consist of
>Followup question, would putting two normal tables together (so an 8*6 foot map instead of 4*6) work from a gameplay standpoint?
Haven't played at those sizes; personally I feel like 6x4 is fine enough as is. If you're gonna play a mission with a short turn count go for 12x4, otherwise go for 8x6

>>96010235 (OP)
TQ

A rewrite

>>96011133
My local is up in arms, they're pretty much all staying 2.0

>>96010903
Wasn't there some apoc game featured in a WD mag or the like with this setup?

>>96010512
NTA, Deepstrike does not count as having moved in the preceeding Movement phase (since the unit wasn't even there).
But I wish any unit arriving from any Reserves counted as having moved their maximum M stat distance - they just arrived from who knows where.
Idk if it has been a rule in 40k 7E before, maybe that's where I'm remembering that from?

Oh no. 3.0 will be different enough from 1.0 that the stuff from HH1-HH9 (Missions, Campaigns, ZM) and 7E's Planetary Onslaught (Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Siege Assault) won't be compatible
;__;

>>96011236
Bro, people use missions from 20 years ago just fine. All it takes is a tiny bit of tweaking to make sense with [insert ruleset here]

>>96011236
I think I've known since 1st edition 30k and 8th edition 40k to NEVER buy a single piece of rule. Always look for free pdfs because 9999/10000 people don't give a fuck, 5000/10000 think you are based for ripping rules and 1/10000 are npc automaton slaves cattles who don't deserve human rights either way.

>>96010727
I am not the anon you replied to but I think you should kill yourself.

>TQ
I'm gonna just get the box and do space wolves. They'll ally nicely with my ravens and I think the saturnine stuff will look badass with space wolf colors/conversions.

Don't gaf about the rules. Just wait until the libers have pdfs, make some lists with the models I have and play some small games to learn. No reason to already have an opinion before that. Wasn't a big fan of 2nd so I'm actually happy things are changing.

Posting this again as I didn't get any feedback yesterday. Got a 1000 point game for a slow grow campaign against DA, sending 2.0 off and going into 3.0 when it releases.

Thoughts on this list? Never had to squeeze so tight before. Siege Breaker needs a weapon and I'll put melra bombs on the sergeants.

>>96010264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZieB-ZO6MA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGidaioV5Y8

>>96010301
nta but desaturated pink. And white drybrush all over before putting IF on them. The pink only works in the shadows to make a darker yellow
https://youtube.com/shorts/CcqZpeGtqnQ?si=0kA2f0V8hQFthSJ3

>>96010794
Good job, Angron!

>>96011564
If the Siege Breaker is sitting with the Rapiers the only useful weapon would be ranged. But you are pretty shooty already, so maybe the guy can just stay as is.
Only the Predator has some potential movement in your army. Maybe 2x10 Tac Marines and 1x10 Assault Marines to get some mobility and versatility?
Or one Tac squad is replaced with Recon Marines as a cheap backline holder and you get more points for something else. Like a jump pack for the Siege Breaker to go out with the Assault Marines and drop some Phosphex bombs.

DA will potentially dominate swordfights with their Deathwing units and might field fast attack units, like bikes or speeders. Better hit and run vs Deathwing.

Is it just me or do duels look fun in 3.0?

>>96011950
I like the idea of them, a mjor complaint for heresy was that primarch fights were very boring and never went any where, so hopefully this system will make things a bit more lively and maybe let some of the weaker units pull off some plays through unexpected gambit usage.

>>96011852
Fair thoughts, but working with models I own though. I considered swapping the pred for 6 autocannon Iron Havocs and chucking the SB with them. I'm not going to out melee DA , so I ideally want to stop them getting to me in the first place.

>>96010235 (OP)
>TQ
I'm building Militia rn so fuck alone knows. Currently got a second bolter grenadier squad to build, after that I'll probably start working on some armour. I'm tempted to get a few rhinos or LRs but I can't even be sure I'll still be allowed to take them.

>>96011950
It’s the thing I’m most looking forward, which is odd considering I’m gonna be playing SA this edition

>Kharn
>Probably second or third strongest duellist behind Sigismund and Sevatar (prob Stronger or Equal?)
>Twice Unslained
>No Eternal Warrior (but Abbadon yes)
>No revive
>Gorechild dmg1 prob Shred 5+

>>96012099
Too busy babysitting Angron

>>96012099
>Probably second or third strongest duellist
No, he's not that good a duellist. Sigismund and Sevatar were champions of their respective legions, elevated to the top for their peerless skill in combat. Kharn was the 8th assault company captain, and only went up in the legion because Angron killed every marine of higher rank that tried to speak to him after his abduction by the Emperor.
Kharn grows into becoming an absurdly good fighter with millennia of chaos juice, but his actual defining skillset during the heresy is being a peerless tardwrangler.

>>96011950
No. People who miss excitement during gameplay should drink much more beer. And the rules should be so short and simple that highly beered up dude understands them.

>>96012133
Sigismund asked him multiple time to fight for real because he's hidding his skill in gladiatorial pit, he moved Gorechild so fastly against Erebus that no one see the strike.

And Sigismund before the Black Sword fear him.

Since Sigismund (blacksword) Sevatar > Sigismund (pre blacksword)

Kharn should be really close to Sevatar. Sevatar got his Power to see the future, Kharn got the physical strengh and speed.

>>96012148
>he moved Gorechild so fastly against Erebus that no one see the strike
That's only after Erebus killed his boyfriend, I'd chalk that up as an exceptional circumstance of chaotic influence playing off heightened emotions.
>And Sigismund before the Black Sword fear him.
Before getting the black sword being a scared little bitch afraid of dying such a problem that it got him all but kicked out of his legion, so any particular source of fear doesn't really mean much.
Kharn's fast and strong, but that describes every astartes. The top duellists have an absurd amount of a lot of skill backing up comparable strength and speed.

>>96012143
Spoken like a true alcoholic.

oh wow, a "my fictional sensei can totally beat your fictional sensei. Does not because he is the strongiest. Does so, uhuh." story.

>>96012180
I like to cook with alcohol. Sometimes I even put something into the food.

>>96012184
Speak actual English or fuck off.

>>96012099
Abaddon Has eternal warrior because He's the chaos plan B is Horus gets folded so they fuck around with fate to try and keep him alive, not because Abaddon is good at fighting or particularly tough.

>>96012184
If you don't like 'My space dad can beat up your space dad!' discussions you are in the wrong neighbourhood.

>>96012184
tell me you're gay without telling me you're gay

>>96012306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ec2-E5Xq8

>>96011950
No, looks like something that is just going to slow down combat. It would be fine if it was only primarchs, but we don't need every HQ and some sergeants doing this. 'Gambits' is a gay name, and you already know there are going to be a couple unique ones that are broken as shit and essentially an auto-win

>>96011983
show me!

Is 3rd edition really written by AI or is it just a meme?

>>96012428
read the rules and tell me

>>96012428
no it was written by humans and then edited by AI.

>>96012430
I avoid AI by the plague so I can't really tell

>>96012428
It's the first coherent work created by the million monkeys on typewriters

>>96012428
I can't tell you no for sure.
And at that point it might as well have been written by AI.
If it turns out to be true it would be a severe low water mark for GW.

>>96012428
Nah this level of convoluted schizo rules writing is entirely in line with GW's traditions on rules.
If you think this is bad you should read some of the 40k errata.

>>96012428
It's one of the highest profile failures of AI implementation to date

>>96012446
"Coherent" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence

SN batreps guy is having a meltdown on FB because someone laugh reacted his ad

>>96012483
yeah its funny how easily triggered he gets when you ciriticse something

one time I commented on a post or video about a new book preview they got (beta garmon?) where they were just sitting and talking to the camera, no rules shown
I criticised it saying that we should see the rules and he got mad

>>96012428
Let's see what the content creators suckling from James' teat have to say in response to the criticism

>>96012483
>Firth-rate e-celeb attention whore turns out to be insecure
>In other news, Dark Angels are still homo

>>96012515
>In other news, Dark Angels are still homo
I never understood what people liked about dark angels from anything other than an aesthetics standpoint
do they just enjoy being jerking themselves off to how the bestest at everything they are?

KNIGHTS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jd7u7fuv/faction-focus-questoris-familia/

Militia confirmrd
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jd7u7fuv/faction-focus-questoris-familia/

>>96012483
>someone

hello Vane

>>96012428
It's not, it's just some schizo ranting about it.
Anyone who thinks the unreadable legalese is AI has no idea how AI writes things.
It's just written in lawyer speak, which is fucking worse. But they were doing this nonesense for other systems well before chatgpt was a thing

>domitars will be elites slots
>castellax are support (WHY?????)
>vorax are recon
>vulturax are fast attack

at least we know what slots the bots will be going in for mechanicum
guess this means the thanatar will be the dreadnought slot

>>96012530
Huh. Knights of all armies can mix and match SA and militia units in the same detachment?

>>96012530
>>96012541
3.0 feel like it's turning into 7e detachment circus with every army and character opening their own combos.

>>96012530
Do you guys think this is how the forge lords/overseers/praevians/esoterist will work also?

>>96012541
>>castellax are support (WHY?????)
I mean, they are are the heavy weapon carriers
Or maybe they'll have some support function like the TS ones do

>>96012526
Only those with the mental age of a five year old care about DA being the bestest at everything.
More mature fans recognise that DA are too arrogant and obsessed with secret traditions and handshakes, and too prideful to recognise how much it is a detriment. For example, when getting their teeth kicked in by the Rangda, the DA refused to call for reinforcements, and other legions trying to come and help them had to reassure the DA that they weren't there to help or, Emperor forbid, save them. Plus the whole Fallen thing adding a bit of depth. I like it when a DA player leans into the "Are we the baddies?" aspect of them.

>>96012568
Those combos don't give you free rules or units. It's not the same at all

>>96012541
Them being troops was the only thing they had left. Maybe they'll go back to being absolute monsters at shooting and melee to balance this considering they are already going to eat shit in the multi-damage edition.

>>96012528
Wait, knights can be affected by status effects? I thought they were super heavy vehicles. So a lucky missile launcher hit can completely shut down a knight, top kek.

>>96012583
None of these flaws actually bite them in the ass in a meaningful or impactful way
The secret of the Fallen is what? That they had traitor elements during the heresy? That was literally every legion, it's not unique nor damning.

>>96012540
Blame WAACfag autists who find some bizarre interaction never intended then screech for two hours until you get exhausted and let them do it. They're why I don't PUG anymore.

>>96012568
If you had actually played during 7th you'd know that this is not even close to formations/detachments hell. Reminder that some allowed all wargear upgrades, for free, for your entire army.

>>96012613
this is not a common occurence, autists are too afraid to look you in the eyes
much less get into heated arguments

THE AGE OF CASTELLAX HAS ENDED

THE TIME OF THE DOMITAR HAS COME

>>96012593
Maybe they're a different role in the Knights list vs the mech list, like it was with brethren of iron
Or maybe the cybernetica detachment will have a ton of support slots

>>96012530
Isn't it kinda weird to have such easy access to elite slots in this detachment when you need an apex detachment to get them normally?
Is it cuz SA and militia elites are going to suck balls?

>>96012609
tldr: DA are so far up their own arse they will die on every hill rather than admit a different course of action might be better

>>96012639
Not really, it's because Knights can't take allies. So these small detachments that can be taken as part of the Knights army itself kind of have to include most slot types.

>>96012528
>knights don't ignore tactical statuses
>your entire army can just get stunlocked by autocannons
>you can't even save against glances
I am 100% doomposting but this seems awful

>>96012603
>Effect by tactical statuses
>Lose HP to glances
>Give bonus VP when killed
>Have silly vow mechanic that will never proc if your opponent has two brain cells.
GW loves armigiers.

>>96012636
Very likely to be the latter but castellax were in different slots for non-mech armies in 1.0 so who knows.

>>96012530
This is great
Do you guys think if I stick a sisters of battle sallet helm on either Scion or Aux bodies they'd look "knightly"?

>>96012676
They would look pretty dumb but you do you.

>>96012588
>>96012614
Did you forget that the detachment hell came down the line, not on release?

>>96012660
Surely they've play tested this right? Right???

>>96012684
The 7th edition marine codex gave you free transports with upgrades for taking 2 demi companies. It was broken the second they released codexes for it.

>>96012621
Depends on the specific kind of autist, WAACfags are usually spergy unlikeable assholes who rely on the fact that you're most likely not going to punch them in the face over a tabletop game, even if they deserve it for ruining the hobby for everyone else.

>>96012720
new age autists are too medicated to blow up over how many models are under a blast template nowadays
many such cases

>>96012684
don't worry, we'll get a convocation of war equivalent by Arcane Journal: Siege of Terra

>Want to get my plasma cannonguys done this weekend since they are sub asemblies
>Paints I need the coils haven't arrived

>>96012720
you exaggerate but a lot of WAAC gamers do rely on people not bringing them up about things and it is a problem in TOW especially with all the 40k tourists. Every argument I've seen in tournies so far has been a WAAC type arguing with a casual usually over the WAAC player feeling misled about the casual players lists or units aka I didn't know you had a musician in that unit etc.

>>96012770
Absolutely grim.
Don't you have some local arts and crafts store to buy paints?

>>96012528
>pick lord scion
>two repair rolls at the end of turn instead of one
>repair rolls on vehicles are a 6+ (16%)
>pick preceptor
>battlesmith(2) on Int8
>you get to repair any unit within 6" during the movement phase (and can still move and attack) with a roll of <=8 on 2d6 (72%)
>this clears 2 statuses or repairs 2 hull points
>you can also get a repair roll at the end of turn
who the fuck checked this?

>>96012528
>>96012530
Oh boy, Knights ARE effected by tactical statuses. I can't wait for my 400+ point unit to be unable to shoot properly because a single autocannon round pinged off its pauldron.
Anyway Kopaka is coming along. Post models 26 images in a 13 hour old thread sucks.

>>96012791
Nah, I live in a small town. I could go into the city I guess.

>>96012510
>"You think these rules are hard to understand?"
>"It's just words bro"

>>96012805
Think of it as nonfunctional autistic knightly rage over how dare this fucking peasant raise his hand to his better.

>>96012530
>The way you build a Questoris Familia army has changed. No longer do you have to take Armigers to unlock the larger Knights, so players have more freedom to include all their favourite patterns.

>When building a list you pick a Household type: Imperialis, Mechanicum or Mendicant. Each has a unique set of bonuses, including a Tactica, a Vow and an Advanced Reaction.

>>96012528
Yo can I ally armigers to my marines or not? This "no restrictions army building" sure has a fucking lot of restrictions

Working on a Centurion converted from a head- and gunless Abaddon I picked up for cheap. 's a bit tricky to make cataphracti lightning claws not look super-duper awkward, but I think I'm finally starting to get somewhere.

>>96011950
It's going to be another solved mechanic and will get boring fast. It's too rock paper scissors. The only ones that will have fun with it will be the blessedly unburdened.

>>96012901
>"I vant to suck your blood!"

>>96012885
Questotis Armigers will probably be troops so you can take them in an allied detachment without needing an aux detachment

>>96012903
Thankfully reading the entire rulebook front to back has the same effect as a lobotomy

>>96012885
There will also probably be a marine version of those knight detachments

>>96012922
I just want 2 to 3 armigers to tag along because I think they're cool

>>96010903
Maybe for like a 1k to 1.5k game. That's so constrained

>>96011147
And they haven't even seen the libers? What a bunch of faggots. Imagine wanting to STAY in this world of 'my HHS lascannons return fire' and zero fucking vehicles.

I miss them.

>>96012541
>Arlatax not mentioned
Odd, doubt they're being squatted since they're already in LIgma

>>96012510
The problem with those Heresy Hammer guys is they are such shills but they're also so handsome. I dont want to watch it but i'm drawn in like a moth to the flame

>>96011950
If this makes current 2.0 stands seethe I'm all for it.
ESPECIALLY people whining about the 'extra time' since that is a tourneyFAGGOT concern

>>96012949
Go play 40k

>>96012948
Sticking to HH 1.0 is at least somewhat understandable, but I cannot imagine why anybody would voluntarily want to keep playing 2.0

>>96012949
Of course the Eldar faggot would love the bowling alley board

>>96012967
probably just a case of "the first edition I played is the best"

>Asterius and Atrapos mentioned
Soon my children, you will be freed from the darkness.

>>96012979
colorblind anon is back

>>96012979
I hope you bust out the vacuum cleaner first

>>96012976
In that case good, we're better of without newfags like that.

>>96012949
I did have a lot of fun on boards like this with really small armies when I was starting out. Like one dread, rhino, tac, other infantry. All fighting over the center. But as soon as you get to full army size it obviously fails.

>>96012949
I'm convinced that people who liked those boards have never played on one
your models just slide all over the place and the ruin terrain GW loves doesn't even sit flat on 90% of the board

>>96012967
> I love 1.0!!!!
> TS completely broken, custodes broken, DA broken, Mechanicum broken
> Large blast AP2 Hell, no massed infantry, ever.
> Here is my min units of tacticals in rhinos, 1k in elites, and 1k in heavy support (maxed out of course)
Yeah 1.0 was shit as well and anyone saying otherwise is full of shit and never played.

>>96012991
I laughed out loud, thank you, yes. I am back when I saw I can make men at arms styles lists.

>>96012993
True, the layer of dust is worse than the pic shows. I might actually have wash them.

>>96012964
You can play 30k on them as well

Serious question: was there an errata for 2.0 excluding PFists & THammers from being Crozius???

'Power' keyword was supposed to bring clarity there...

>>96013024
v1.2 Liber Astartes/Liber Hereticus FAQs (the current ones)

>Q. When the Legion Chaplain Consul upgrade allows you to grant a power weapon the Master-crafted special rule, which weapons can be selected for this?

>A. The following weapons can be selected:
>- Power sword
>- Power axe
>- Power maul
>- Power lance

>>96013010
Not saying 1.0 didn't have glaring issues, but at least it had more SOVL than 2.0

>>96013006
> Large blast AP2 Hell, no massed infantry, ever.
Not since the late 1800s/early 1900s, no.

>>96013010
>I love 2.0!!!
>IF beyond comically broken; RG, Sallies, non-marines completely shit.
>Brutal 2 hell, reaction hell, no vehicles ever save for SA.
>Here is my army composed from units from the starter box, 3 contemptors and maxed HSS with lascannons with scanners.

>>96013074
No way you're calling RG shot, they're fucking broken
Don't let their constant bitching fool you, their legion trait and unique units are excellent.

>>96013035
COWARDS

>>96013080
the legion trait is weird because it doesn't work on their unique units
but yes combi volkite mor deythan and deliverers are very strong

>>96012530
>Can potetially take 2 dracosan's packed with 20 flamer veletari and a horde of levy troops in addition to some knights WITHOUT having to get tax compulsory units like a legate marshal, militia commander or armigers
I don't know what crack the rules writers have been smoking but this sounds fucking sick. I guess I have an idea for a traitor army now

>>96013095
don't do it anon
you won't be able to shoot 3/4s of those flamers

>>96013095
>automata limited to one unit each of these four automata

>>96013152
>brand new army in the Mortal Realms…
aos sisters we can't stop winning (nvm wrong thread)

>>96012952
Probably shock troops

>>96013080
>>96013092
RG are very strong when they can be decisive. But have no rebound; MD are one shot wonders, Deliverers can DS but are slow from there, Furies are majority WS4/3+ so need I5 on the charge and a chappy to babysit. Master of Signals, Stone Gauntlet, Interceptor Spam are issues(For all yes, but more so for RG because DS grants them shrouded when they arrive)

>>96013095
>No allies means you can't take secutarii alongside a mechanicum household tasked with defending their big brother titans
Fuck

>>96012541
>Vultarax not on webstore
Plastic 2fer box incoming I hope

>There are quite a few exciting units in the Knights army list. First and foremost is the Cerastus Knight Atrapos. It's expensive at 600 points, but it’s tough, quick and can deal a large amount of damage with both shooting attacks and in melee with its Atrapos phasecutter which has a Damage characteristic of six (which can increase to 12 if it remains stationary before shooting!)
I think they conflated singularity cannon

>>96013172
They said non aos stuff as well

>>96013239
No, the lascutter was the one with the melee profile

>>96013247
Meant for >>96013210

Do Iron Warriors and Iron Hands have the easiest time painting? It seems like they do. Drybrush metallic, block in details, wash, done.

>>96013239
I can't believe we have no libers yet. Where are the crimers when you need one?

>>96013247
That has a damage 12 attack if stationary?

>>96012949
Ah, yes. One of those worlds with a geological layer of skulls beneath the surface.They're very important for the Imperium to keep up with the demand.

>>96013296
How It always should have been, 2.0 was the outlier making the atrapos a peashooter

>>96012952
No Thanatars as well, so I wouldn't worry.

>>96013375
The damage 12, range 12" stationary lascutter attack. You should just be charging unless you're exactly 11-12" away. The singularity cannon, aka black hole gun, not being damage 12 stationary wouldn't make sense.

>>96013384
Thanatars are probably warmachines and the only ones not keeping maniples, artalax should both either heavy assault or fast attack so their absence is a mite more concerning. Personally I'm expecting that they'll be gone in the liber but get a rules pdf whenever the 28mm version comes out

>Fulgrim used Decap Strike on Ferrus
>RG has Decap Strike as their Legion gambit
3.0 is raping the lore

>>96011982
Thoughts, anyone?

>>96013489
No thanks, I'm trying to quit.

>>96013447
Fulgrim with have a gambit to wrap his opponent up in his snek coils.

>>96013425
Did the intern making these articles with AI forget that knights always count as stationary or did the rules writers fuck that up too?

>>96013568
Knights aren't superheavies

>>96013575
Rules writer fuck up it is.

>>96013261
No legion is difficult to paint. Yes even fists/scars. The proliferation of coloured primers and contrast style paints make these easier than ever.

"Difficult to paint" is just now synonymous with "I don't want to put in more than the minimum amount of effort"

>>96013618
Iron warriors and night lords require a lot of free handing skills

>>96013685
Painting lines does not require freehanding skills

>>96013685
>Iron Warriors
>Freehand skills
All you need to do is get a very soft pencil, draw lines over your yellow, and fill in the black.
Or you just be lazy and get 3d printed shoulders with the lines made for you.

>>96013685
Only the two legions primarily enjoyed by retards genuinely think drawing lines is difficult

>>96013708
>>96013702
>>96013696
It's mot possible to draw straight without a ruler

>>96013696
>>96013708
meanwhile, bro's lightning

>>96013685
hazard stripes require exactly zero freehanding. Painters tape does them and more cleanly than 100% of retards who try to freehand.

>>96013074
If you think RG are bad you’re retarded. If you get to deploy all of your regular infantry units after your opponent has deployed, and all your units with a sergeant are immune to night fighting AND ignore shrouded for 10pts, and you *still* lose then you couldn’t possibly win with any legion.

>>96013618
>>96013696
>>96013708
>Finally some quality bait

>>96013618
word bearers would be the only hard level difficulty, but that's negated by people simply using transfer sheets for the 5000 tiny runes.

A thought just struck me, do they make transfer sheets for lightning bolts for the unskilled nightlords players? If so then there's not a single medium difficulty faction.

>>96013760
no the lightning bolts have to be free handed

>>96013618
anon do you live in silent hill? what's with the torture rack boiler room setup?

>>96013764
Nah, there's plenty of lightning bolt SVG graphics files out there and it's possible to get any possible graphic printed onto decal transfer sheets. It might just cost a little more than bulk sheets.

>>96013772
just like this but flipped to be printed white on black.

>>96013764
>>96013760
Nail stamps fix this

>>96013781
damn, how are you printing white again?

>>96013771
My friend works as a power coater so we use one of the spray booths to undercoat. Means we can undercoat over winter when the weather is shit

>>96013822
If a NL spartan rolled up with these and was a high tier paint job I would

>>96012956
They aren't even shills. They make great stuff but shouldn't be afraid to say that something reads like absolute shit vs a dismissive "it's just words"

>>96013788
they sell white decal paper, the place where lightning is just stays white and you set the background behind the lightning to be dark blue. (and if you wanted to save ink you could take an eraser and make everything not near each lightning bolt white too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOTgvWWnAk

>>96013847
>have to color match the blue to your paint and account for gradients
>or just learn how to freehand lightning
huh

>>96013863
notice how nobody saying painting lightning is effortless ever posts their minis because you're too shit to actually freehand anything that doesn't look like a hideous ugly piece of shit
huh

>>96013822
>Brother, is this livery Principia Belicosa-approved?

>>96012510
youtuber shills are never the place to go to get any advice on the state of anything in the world.
The second the game they're shilling for sucks balls and they admit it sucks balls, suddenly there's zero reason for anyone to be watching their channel and giving them ad revenue. So they literally always give a fake optimism take.

>>96012510
I was only hoping for Legion gambits, but them giving Perturabo now makes me want them to have both legion and primarch ones.

>>96012568
Herohammer brooo

>>96013888
primarch gambits are a stupid idea that just makes the entire mini-game even more stupid.

There's pretty much no reason to ever use the "ban a gambit" gambit if the enemy has 4-5 super gambits to choose from, as you just instantly lose since if you ban the ravenguard go-first gambit, he just uses the go-first gambit or tthe corvux corax gambit on you.
Then when banning is mathematically non-viable by basic game theory, their is simply 1 optimal gambit to use every game for the next 3 years.

>>96012540
>every opinion I disagree with on the internet comes from one individual
And they're the schizo one

>>96013822
>>96013837
>Adorn your vehicles with these bug-eyed abominations to further unnerve your enemies and terrify victims.

>>96012583
>when getting their teeth kicked in by the Rangda, the DA refused to call for reinforcements, and other legions trying to come and help them had to reassure the DA that they weren't there to help or, Emperor forbid, save them.
Did you read the rangda novel? I don't even know which one that it. I heard the main legion involved was the Dark Angels, but also Russ and the Death Guard (HH1).
Plus, Alpharius was in the area, looking for Omegon, so he participated somewhat

>>96013685
You don't need to slather your basic troops in an Argentinian lighting storm or an OSHA wherehouse to make it to tabletop standard.

Apply yourself anon, if some of your troops don't look great them that's what happens when you learn. My primarch sat unpainted for ages because I'm a shit painter but I prefer my mediocre paitjob to a black blob.

Speaking of spraying, this combo is doing surprisingly well to mask the FDM even without sanding. Poorhammer has evolved.

>>96013871
someone's projecting
bad lightning is easy to do but good lightning just needs you to have a good brush and a light touch

>>96013938
thanks for proving the point, your lightning looks like shit, real lightning is not just a noodle with one v on the bottom. You couldn't make it look non-shit even with a 3x larger surface of a dreadnought, and your marine troops lightning looks lilke a pale cumstain not a bolt of lightning.

>>96012578
>>96012593
The ONE hope for Castellax is that the Magos Cybernetica unlocks a Support-heavy detachment.
But yeah they have gone from Support Troops to conditional Line to, I guess Support Troops again

>>96013949
that's crazy anon

>>96013903
Anyone who complains about this isn't a real mechanicum player with 10 archmagi waiting on the wings that'll finally see play

>>96013074
I wonder what will be the pasta for I love 3.0!!! Tons of Saturnine, Seize the Initiative hell. Aux Detachments comprised of Heavy Transports and Vanguards.

>>96013949
>real lightning is not just a noodle with one v on the bottom
huh?

>>96013972
>tons of saturnine
Bro they're garbage if anyone takes saturnine you should thank them for the win.

>>96013171
You are playing 3000 pts of Knights with Mech allies. How many points is which part of your army, and how many knights and automatas do you expect to have?

>>96013949
Post models

>>96013938
Looks rad
>>96013949
Retard mad

>>96013938
The technique is there, but need to be brighter and bigger

>>96012609
>The secret of the Fallen is what? That they had traitor elements during the heresy? That was literally every legion, it's not unique nor damning.

The secret of the Fallen is that the DA did "borderline" traitorous stuff for 10k years to hide the fact that they weren't perfect. The fact that everyone had traitorous elements is the whole point.

>>96012609
>That they had traitor elements during the heresy?

That after everything, after years of fighting, the Imperium in flames, the Emperor half-dead, they still turned. The Legion homeworld turned against the Imperium and was destroyed for it, and the Fallen still got away.

The problem isn't that they turned, it's that they saw what happened to those who turned and thought "yeah, alright" after the defeat of Horus.

>>96012797
Presumably you only get one preceptor. So theres your answer. You might need the preceptor with your main force, but want a knight to operate elsewhere.

>>96012609
>The secret of the Fallen is what?
Nothing really. And yet in their shame and pride the dark angels did things arguably worse than the initial fallen to hide it. Thats the point, that theyre so far up their ass they turned themselves into the imperial glowies because they couldnt handle the truth and the dressing down that might have come with it.
Had the dark angels just said "the DA garisson on caliban turned traitor, the planet was destroyed during the attempt to subdue them" nothing much would have come of it, they would have simply carried on as regular. But instead they did what they did, and ended up in a 10,000 year shadow crusade with countless "friendly" casualties because they didnt want to look bad in front of the other kids.

And thats the point, the DA are losers. They have all of daddies fanciest and most special toys, theyre the first and the best, and they do nothing with it. Theyre fuckups and edgelords who do less than the others with infinitely more than them, their secret rites and orders arent a good thing, theyre a shackle theyve worn for ten thousand years, a self inflicted humiliation the dark angels insist they keep because they want to feel like theyre different than everyone else.

>>96012428
Its a meme.

The rules are just very clunky and "Inorganic" sounding, full of seemingly pointless specificity and redundancy. But thats probably not because its AI but because someone told the monkeys that write GW rules to make something airtight that wouldnt cause any confusions or arguments. Imagine someone who doesn't know how a legal document is supposed to go has to write a legal document, its that.

>>96011950
I think the idea is interesting, but how they end up in practice will come down to how well balanced the different options are (its no fun if its just two super-overtuned murderbuilds killing each other in one round all the time) and how characters end up in gameplay (if melee is weak or you dont want to be taking expensive character units because theyre too easy to target out with dedicated firepower then you just wont be seeing cool duels a lot)

>>96014236
So yes

>>96014236
No, it's because 99% of professional text writers are now just using chatGPT or other AI alternatives to do their job for them. Anyone who says it isn't AI is literally a moron. Okkam's Razor is now any large blobs of text are AI-generated unless there is evidence showing otherwise. The HH3 text is incredibly incriminating with how often it rehashes shit that any human wouldn't have (like a psychic test, remember you look at the numbers which are on top of the dice when they land on the table. Attacks against a unit that has had its wounds or hull points characteristic negatively modified, otherwise known as having lost wounds." A human would not have written half of the sentences in this book.

>>96012483
these faggots were letting themselves fully allocate all the wounds from say an atomantic reactor going up onto a primarch as opposed to them properly affecting each -model- in the blast range and when i brought it up they said it was proper
everyone involved can trip on a crack and smash their faces into paste for all i care, they don't even read the rules and posture themselves as champions of this game
youtubers (except mechanid) are subhumans

>>96014211
this is pretty much why I've always liked them since 3rd ed. Their Black Book does a good job show casing how they were killing themselves pre Lion showing up out of stubborn pride and ironic inflexibility. Then the Lion reorganizes them enough to fix the legion structures only to let his own flaws and inability to recognize the separatist pride of Calibanites would splinter with Luther rotting at home. They're fuck ups with a guilt complex, entirely self inflicted without even the psychic damage Iron Hands/Blood Angels received since the Lion didn't die.

>>96014290
Humans are perfectly capable of writing terrible rules and descriptions. Old books have plenty of stuff that probably made sense for the writer at the time, but require plenty of reading between the lines to get the RAI. Even in HH. Check the Ruinstorm Daemon rules in Book 8, which is like half a page explaining how Ruinstorm Daemons have Daemon and Fearless without actually saying they have Daemon and Fearless.

>>96010235 (OP)
Honestly, the lore of Warhammer would be better without primarchs, they were completely unnecessary. They should have simply made the betrayal and heresy come from some greedy commanders and that's it. There was no need for that stupid contrived primarch drama.

>>96014358
anon...

>>96014455
call me a retard if i am and point out whatnot i'm incorrect on because i'm actually eager to learn

>>96014469
It's the same rule as blasts, you allocate hits to a unit based on how many models are within d6 of the dread. If there are 4 models caught in the explosion from a single unit that includes a primarch if he wants to allocate them all to the primarch, even if he isn't one of those 4 models, he can.

>>96014503
this is a very separate thing from blasts

Recently came into ownership of the first edition’s rulebook (the red one) and a couple of guys at my LGS want to play first edition over third including me. What’s a *fun* traitor army to play? My favorite legion are the TSons but everything I’ve heard of them from first (online and offline) has been that they weren’t fun for the opposing player to deal with, so any recommendations?

>>96014549
They aren't fun if you are spamming sekhmets.

If you make a normal list and don't power game them, like a reasonable person, they should not be that bad.

>>96014531
allocating wounds is the same regardless of source

>>96014574
Good to know, thanks.

>>96014531
You are why the 3.0 rulebook is written the way it is.

>>96014582
can you point out where this is made clear in the rules tomes?

>>96014549
You can play TS so long as you don't use Magnus and spam telepathy and other broke stuff. Same self policing IW need to not spam mortar rapiers and ironfire

>>96014290
Most succinct and accurate take on the situation
>>96014380
Plausibility fallacy

>>96012483
Aww poor guy. I suppose one must accept whatever reactions a post causes, because it's not up to us.
But it is also sad that whenever you ask why someone thinks that way, the answer is "Nah".
>>96014358
Oof fuck that. They should be allocated to whoever models are in range.
When will Explosions be counted as blasts? Not that it matters anymore, now that Heavy is merely +1 Cool and provides no blast protection

>>96014637
a unit is not a target of an attack in the case of an atomantic reactor
nor is an atomantic reactor going up an attack outright. it is an environmental circumstance stemming from a piece of wargear, not a weapon
individual models are affected on their own merits

>>96014598
Wasn’t planning on using primarchs regardless of legion, I haven’t read the rules yet but why is telepathy powerful in first? In second I’m aware it’s good because if you spam it enough that’s a lot of reactionless units, plus the psychic weapon is good too

>>96014658
You need explicit permission to allocate to *only* models within d6" since this is a permissive ruleset. What you just posted is an assumption, and assumptions are not rules.

>>96014658
where does it say this in the rules

>>96014670
At this point you are wasting your time arguing with him. It's common sense on how it works for normal people, but some people are afflicted with autism and are a lost cause.

>>96014449
Magic the Gathering also works without Planeswalkers. And you could buy cookies without the box having a face on it. But people want faces.

>>96014449
They add nothing that can't be done by a marine legion leader if one really stops and thinks about it. The only exception that I can think of is Fulgrim because it helped stabilize the legion genome through his own but that could have easily been fluffed as some very skilled apothecary coming up with a cure. The thing is that the problem with primarchs is incredibly bad writing and that they are very important characters that have a set path during the heresy, swapping them for someone else wouldn't solve anything because these problems wouldn't be affected by such a change.

painting a thanatar in zhao-arkhad

I need input on the circuity pattern on the shoulderpad before i do anymore as personally i'm not entirely happy with it

>>96014943
The circuitry is a real pain. When you look at that one domitar it's pretty intricate

>>96014971
yes, although looking back at it, it seems to be a collection of symbols rather than a single complete pattern

maybe something like waterslide transfers with circuitry patterns could work? do any exist?

>>96012510
One of the Heresy Hammer guys is salt posting on trannygram. I hope it's not Rob, I actually like him and he seems well adjusted.

>>96014449
Humans relate to individual characters, not statistics. We didn't evolve like ants in units in the millions. For essentially the entire time our genome was developed we were living in units of 1-50 (modern civilization is an extreme outlier)

This is why writing without the primarchs would instantly be inferior to human beings. We cannot feel significant emotions about macro-economics and macro-social-power-dynamics and macro-history. The human brain is simply not configured that way.

Game of Thrones would not have had ANY popularity whatsoever if you take the exact same 8 countries, keep 100% of the same traits and characteristics, but remove the Stark heroes, Lannister heroes, Targaryen heroes, Baratheon heroes, Dornish heroes, Nightwatch heroes, Greyjoy heroes, etc. It doesn't matter if the macro-plot stays exactly the same (people wearing grey are at war with people wearing red)

You could easily make two versions, one where 80% of the focus is on characters and 20% on macro and one which is 80% macro with 20% on characters. The character-based one becomes #1 show in the world, the macro one becomes literally nothing and would be cancelled by season 2 if it was even made.

And that fact is true no matter the story. A world war 2 movie could have 200 characters doing 20 scenes. Or it could have 5 characters doing 20 scenes. The one with 5 characters doing Saving Private Ryan would be a worldwide blockbuster. 200 characters a no-name forgotten piece of shlock. It's true in literally anything.

18 different legions of marines is already so big a number that 1 primarch per legion already provides an entire popular setting's worth of main characters. If you wrote it with your retard idea it'd have absolutely failed.

>>96013822
Are those small enough for Battletech? I've got a Canopian whore battalion that needs pinups.

>>96015038
Personally, I think of the Legions/Chapters as characters and the characters as individual traits.

>>96014449
Based taste
>>96015038
tldr cringe heroglazer

>>96015002
saltposting about what? 3.0?
I assume they have a copy of the books already

>>96014986
If you want a circuit patter maybe something like this?
I've also seen people use necron decals on them. They have a similar style

>>96015036
No, they're for 1/24 scale model cars. I'm sure you can find smaller scale stuff for Gundam and such from various sites that sell that stuff. Or look up pin-ups for historicals. There should be some small scale ones available.

>>96015045
No, they're for 1/24 scale model cars. I'm sure you can find smaller scale stuff for Gundam and such from various sites that sell that stuff. Or look up pin-ups for historicals. There should be some small scale ones available.

>>96015066
oh fuck yeah i love this, im gonna do this anon

as a thought, maybe each class of bot has different markings, but the same markings within the same class?
so any thanatar I own will have those, but any castellax will have something else

>>96015110
It'd probably be hard to use the same pattern on different units unless the have the exact same rivet layout

>>96015059
lmao

>>96015066
Necron decals came to mind as well. Though don't seem to find any white ones. Black, green and gold (like a whole sheet with gold decals) I do find. Maybe 3rd party decals?

>>96015125
thanatar might have a different rivet layout on both shoulders as its asymmetrical

Tried oil washing again,lot better than the rapier, just neeed to mix it better and use less, need to let them dry and varnish them

>>96015079
Dang. Historicals were surprisingly lacking. I thought thouse degenerates from Japan might have finally solved my problem, but I'll just have to keep looking.

>>96015153
Gold looks good on green imo
I don't think you are going to find white decals, those require special equipment to print and these patterns don't really work for printing on white decal paper

>>96010235 (OP)
>With all the rules so far what shall you be making for 3rd edition?
Ultra sige army

>>96013760
>transfer sheets for lightning bolts for the unskilled nightlords players
uh, lightning is just as simple and fast by hand as applying the decals. Just some thick random branches, a second thinner and lighter one within and the rest is just some glazing.
What is the other process? varnishing, some chemical, cutting that shit out and putting it into water, waiting, waiting, waiting, sliding it off, moving it, pushing out air bubbles, adjusting some more, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, another chemical, another varnish. Fuck this, not for lightning.

>>96010235 (OP)
>With all the rules so far what shall you be making for 3rd edition?
Knight army is actually looking tempting. I have some mecanicum stuff that I got cuz I like the models but don't really want to commit to a full army. If I can spend 75% of the points on big expensive models I might even be able to make a playable army in the next 3 years

>>96015248
all evidence points to the exact opposite of what you claim. Decals are effortless to simply get wet and place onto a surface and wait for it to dry - while freehand the average GW customer can't even draw one literal straight line (see: 50,000 attempts by people to draw Iron Warriors black and yellow stripes in the last decade, and 99.9% of them are not straight lines and have terrible edges)

>ITS JUST STRAIGHT LINES HOW HARD CAN IT BE
then average GW customer

>>96015134
thinking 4chan is an internet forum. They obviously never saw a bulletin board

>>96015134
>haha i didn't know that the place that put out the leaks i spent hours talking about still existed
oh yeah he's absolutely glued to this thread 24/7

>>96015261
Yeah, the special allies seems like a cool way to balance them

>>96010235 (OP)
Thousand sons armored column with drop pod infantry

>>96015038
>I am an NPC: The Post

>>96014986
>>96015066
Is it meant to look like Necron glyphs on purpose?

>>96015288
except lightning is random and jiggly, which is why it is so easy. For straight lines there is masking tape.

>>96010235 (OP)
>Thread Question:
>With all the rules so far what shall you be making for 3rd edition?
Quite horrible for marines, but I might dig out my Knights again, now that the shitfuck Armiggers have been relegated to bench warmers.

>>96015318
I am sure nothing will go wrong

>>96015319
No, lightning follows the path of least resustance. It should be a big thick (roughly) straight line, with minor thinner short branches

>>96015335
Replaying it at this very moment and the urge to go Xenarite again is strong. Fuck the incense and prayer lpudspeakers, guve me the Gauss blaster cock

>>96015319
random wavy lines do not look like lightning, hence the ugly freehand work like
>>96013938
with nonsensical incorrect placements of lightning bolts and thinned cumstain white lines that don't look like lightning because it would take several precise layerings of white over the dark blue to create one crisp line.

But how did the Night Lords get enough combat-grade LCD screens to fully equip 100,000+ marines with them?

>>96014637
NTA but I sure hope you don't allocate overheat wounds to other models anon.

Overheat, like automatic reactor does hits to the models, it's explicitly worded. Not to units within X, based on the number of models in range. It just says models.

>>96015356
well, I guess the slaves who burn the patterns into the armor aren't exactly artists

>>96015375
these people can't be reasoned with

>>96015318
Doesn't even look that much like necron glyphs but those don't look bad either

>>96015375
Are you talking about 2.0?

>>96015411
Yes

>>96015380
Then you don't understand the mechanicum. Each time one of the menials or servitors paints a line 0.5 nanometre off centre they get thrown into a plasma reactor - without a suit.

>>96015372
Why do you think nobody else in the Imperium has LCD screens?

>>96015472
but Night Lords have personal human slaves for basic maintenance stuff. The Mechanicum just the machine spirit of the armor to get preysight in it and tries to not die while waking up Dreadnoughts with torture.

Whats the best wat to clean the gaps in the rhino smokestacks? They are so thin

Look if you want to bitch on your social media over an anonymous comment at least discuss the content of my message: your dismissal of the abysmal writing of the 3.0 rulebook as "it's just words" is pathetic and hurts your credibility as commentators

>>96015507
I thought NL lightning was just a projection behind the gorilla glass outer layer of their armor, when "powered down" there's no bolts. Nobody paints them on; they're just like those purple electric balls that make funny patterns

>>96015537
squish them together real hard on initial gluing so some extra is squeezed out into the gaps and fills them, shave down any excess, sprue goo or miliput or clay to pave in anything remnant if you wanted to take the effort

>>96015537
If you want it really well done, best way is to use some modeling putty, then Dremel it down.
You can get small sanding bits that fit into the stack holes, makes it easy.

>>96015066
it aint perfect but thanks to anon for the scheme

>>96014598
>Same self policing IW need to not spam mortar rapiers and ironfire
Doesn't sound too oppressive in 2.0, given the sizeable nerfs on artillery in that edition. Some say artillery was too nerfed. Save for the Scorpius whirlwind ofc; the exception that proves the rule.

>>96015238
What even is that

>>96015577
>>96015593
Cheers

>>96015488
>>96015372
I think it's not a display? That the armour's surface is indeed electrified, and zaps whoever dares touching them. But current doesn't actually show when running across materials, and that's where the lightning projectors come into play.

>>96015595
looks good

It's so nice that they kept doing edited photos that look very realistic for HH

>>96015680
That's an old photo. Those are the resin lancers.

>>96015680
What neck electricity do

>>96015708
makes you look fash af frfr ong

>>96015565
when the libers leak we should watermark some comments about them

>>96015683
Did the resin lancers come with those banners too?

>>96015749
All the resistance Cerastis did, even my Atrapos. If you preordered them they came with a resin pilot too.

>>96015755
>resistance Cerastis
Well that explains the neck electricity.

Is the new box ok for Death Guard?

>>96015773
Well Mk II was one of their favourite types of power armour, and they do like terminators and dreadnoughts a lot too.

>>96015773
If you are asking rules wise, we don't know the DG rules
If you are asking theme wise, DG look better in Mk3 and the other half of the box is made up units that don't fit any legion

>>96015788
>the other half of the box is made up units that don't fit any legion
Huh? Deep-striking closet-psyker artillery termies led by a meleemaxxed termie praetor are part and parcel of the Raven Guard's combat doctrine

Dispoiler squad ready to deploy, allmost...

>>96015134
Fucking faggot is gonna drown us in trannies and retard spergs now

>>96015134
>>96015867
Quick. Spam racial slurs and drop redpills.

>>96015891
What even are redpills any more? Just about heard everything said by people from every possible ideology. The internet is so cooked...

>>96015910
Transsexuals eating the cats and the dogs is the only thing keeping us from the halls of the Eienjar, straight white brother

>>96015616
Anon it's mentioned in the black books as beiing a thin screen over the armor. This has been discussed before.

>Upgrading the plasma bombard to an inversion beamer is only 10 points
>Besides sacrificing 6" range it has better stats, and that's ignoring the <15" range profile
Am I missing something? For a mere 10 points this seems like a nobrainer. Even if you use the "dangerous" profile of the plasma bombard and risk hurting yourself it doesn't really compare, unless you really need to kill terminators at long range I guess? But even then fishing for those 5+ breaching seems kinda meh...

>>96012979
one day we will ride again

>>96016047
Art makes it look like it can it zzap people though :(

>>96012187
Alcohol in food isn't some ground breaking recipe.

>>96016159
Hell yeah. Does this knight have a name?

>>96016141
the plasma bombard has barrage so you can use it on targets out of line of sight. Considering this thing only has a 6" movement and it's heavy which means it can't rush (which I'm pretty sure means it can't run) every little bit of range helps, and the ability to keep being a threat no matter line of sight is never something to be underestimated

>>96016141
The plasma weapon can fire indirectly. I'd say there's some use to that but you are sacrificing all the other guns. The inversion beamer is by far the better option. It's absolutely retarded that the plasma has overcharge 2 for a breaching 5+ blast and the beamer has ap3 by default with ap2 by just getting closer
There's someone who really hates plasma in the rules team

>>96016159
is he standing on a manhole cover

>>96016227
Its a spinning platform that comes with airbrush stations

>>96016177
40k actual warp energy maybe, 30k no

>>96016232
you should model his base after a manhole cover

>>96015568
do you think they had the luxury of fancy projectors on their army when they were getting their ass handed to them every 5 seconds?

>>96016242
>My father-in-law is an VIIIth legion serf. It is difficult to get his attention while being a slave because he is lost in terror.
>We were in a NL battle barge together years ago and I asked him what it would cost to build real lightning armour today. I will never forget his answer…
>'We can’t, we don't YET know how to do it (it's still 30k)

finishing up for today
I think i'm happy with this

>>96012949
I wonder if tiles like these are 3d printable

>>96012949
I have this set and most of the FW tiles for it.

They're great, I don't know why people don't actually like, prep the tiles at all than wonder why models slide off smooth plastic?

>>96016390
They don'0t look too complex. I mean, the craters and buildings are separate pieces

Post Consul conversion pls, I'm looking for inspiration

>>96015910
Redpill is the truth.

>>96016449
my redpill: be kind......

>>96016412
I loved playing on those tiles back in the day. I am opening a shop soon and I have been watching ebay to try and get a set at a not insane price.

>>96016355
Pretty good. It doesn't have to match some picture it just has to have effort expended.

>>96016355
sneak a Loss in there

>>96016438
made this chap a while back

>>96016438
In an effort not to be posting the same group shot in literally every single thread since I painted them.

>>96016438
Here's what is beyond basic swaps within arms reach

>>96016438
Here's my pathfinder. I expect it's probably in the lower end of consuls, by number, but I had fun.

>>96016706
Madlad

>>96016706
>Swashbuckling RG Pathfinder
Incredibly based

>>96016726
Melta Bomb and Charnabal saber. He rarely pays off, but when he does...

>>96016706
>>96016666
>>96016651
>>96016620
>>96016591
Very cool, very inspirational, cheers!

>>96016780
Tartaros Iron Warriors seem weird. It's the best pattern of terminator armor, sure, but it does look smooth and slick which just doesn't fit some of the legions.

What super heavy should I get? Or should I get peurterabo?

>>96016821
Fellblade, when it comes out, but you have to deck it out in equipment.
Typhoon is too obvious and redundant next to the vindicators.
Cerberus isn't fitting and I don't think either of those are a true superheavy.
A knight would let you add some color and variety but frankly is shit.
Glaive is cool but you'll have to wait even longer for the kit.
Falcion same problem and also not fitting.

>>96016821
Falchion anon.

>>96016780
CHAD axe

>>96016821
Get 4 legion scout squads, in beakie armour no less, instead lmao

>>96016651
>What's that? It's the Chaplain! He's coming off the turnbuckle!

>>96016821
Stormblade

>>96016438
My Herald/Command Squad Standard

>>96016438
>>96016926
And an Esoterist with the Command Squad

>>96016821
Thunderhawk Transporter is always the correct answer.

Here's hoping they make another minor wording oversight and keep it the most infuriating unit in 3.0.

>>96016798
Omg ur armour bigotry is off the charts!!

>>96016821
Add some rapier batteries

Someone teach me how to photograph models without making them look like complete ass.

Also making progress on angry face.

How do you model veteran squads with a bolt gun, bolt pistol and power weapons? Do you just give them a power sword and bolt pistol and assume bolt guns are on them?

>>96017102
There's holstered bolters in the Rapier kits but haven't seen them used yet since the kid it only a week old

>>96010618
>>96010624
I wouldn't be surprised if mechanicum get some kind of immunity to the dishonour of rejecting a duel. Why would their troops care?

>>96016821
falchion w/ twin volcano cannons

>>96015565
Fair point. We will bring up your point in the next show mate.

>>96017102
One-handed boltgun and power weapon with pistol in holster. At the very least for the sergeant.
Or both hands on the boltgun and holstered power weapon.

>>96017102
Holstered pistols are more common than boltguns not in hand, so the easiest way to be WYSIWYG would be to hold bolter and melee weapon, with holstered pistol.

>48 page journal tactica
>down from 200+ page campaign books
wot

>>96017154
You get 4 of them compared to the old campaign release schedule we pinky promise

>>96017119
I mean, if they're in a unit of automata, then they won't care because automata are immune to tactical statuses, so only big man will be affected by disgrace

>>96017102
just model with sword and pistol, maybe have a couple holding bolters. tac sergeants are supposed to have bolters, but literally nobody models them with the bolters. i think it's not a big deal

>>96017154
>cuts out all the mid prose
>half the price (assuming they're the same as ToW arcane journals)

only downside is that theyre not hardbacks anymore

apologize, grovel flat against the ground, and lick its toes
but only if you have transgressed or besmirched it

>>96017428
So many heavy bolters it's one of them primaris vehicles lol. JK. Looks interesting.
Is that what the Mauler tank from Visions is, or something?

I'm usually ok with my painting being crap, because it looks fine on the table top.
Seeing pics of peoples master pieces sometimes makes me feel down about it, so I've mostly stopped doing that, outside incidentally.

But holy shit, every now and again I play a game and I just feel so bad about how bad my models look. I feel I've never gotten better, just slower and more effort to get to basically the same quality I've always done.
Feels bad, man.

>>96017503
You got models and you paint them. That already puts you ahead

>>96017503
It's important to always have clear goals and a measurable understanding of how far you've come. Your minis work well as snapshots of your progress so work on the other part.
Instead of just getting better at painting, pick a very specific technique that you want to replicate and get better at. If you find that you really can't get the hang of it, pick another. There are loads of styles out there, and you'll find one that works for you.

As for playing people with amazing armies, take the chance to talk to them about it. Ask what they did to get the army looking so good, where they learned it, and what their approach to painting is like.

>>96017428
Fucking love Visions inspired shit. Keep us updated chief

>>96012408
Apologies for both the poor photo and the phone posting, travelling at the moment so have to rely on the shitty ones I took yesterday, but here's the first guy painted up.

Body is from the new Warlord Games winter Fallschirmjager, arms are from Wargames Atlantic, head from Reptillian Overlords and the bolter is a bolter.

>>96017622
Edited the photo to be a bit brighter so you can actually see the mini

>>96017122
Respect. You guys make cool shit, please don't switch your brains off.

>>96017622
Cool kit bash bro

>>96017154
These aren't campaign books, they are journals like the TOW ones. They are soft cover booklets. They shit them out once a month almost
Still gonna charge you a premium for them tho

>>96017987
thick, hardback black magic spellbooks and tomes of dark visions pertaining to the use of transhuman homunculi in apocalyptic and all-too metaphysical warfare pls
matters not to me ofc, not going to procure any of the rules in physical format for this edition and the digital versions will be free in the right places

Saturnine preview has to be tomorrow if the preorder is to go up next week for a release on the 26th

>>96017641
Nice. Like the helmet and the base. Bolter a bit too big for my tastes. How’d you do the base btw?

>>96016749
as a newfie it's very funny every time i read "ultramar" in a book because i imagine a bunch of marines pulling up to the gas station near my house

Does anyone have the leaked Saturnine Terminator instruction page that shows the different heads? I have an idea, but you might not like it.

>>96017503
You can't just say this without showing off your models anon

y4nn4

should I cut down the "shelf" made from the original rhino roof? I'm kinda of envisioning this thing as a cargo rhino/ambulance

>>96018318
Repressor, my beloved.

>>96018330
not sure about this but I do love a repressor

>>96018318
Those side doors aren't opening enough to let anyone out or in

>>96017332
I didn’t but I feel I should apologize anyways for the slop we’re getting now

>>96017332
If only deepstrike and reactions weren't so fucked up. It would have been perfect.

>>96017332
Nah, it was fucking garbage. Reaction shooting should have only hit on 6s like in every other successful wargame.

>>96018515
And brutal

>>96018515
and Challenge Locking and Chosen Warrior

>>96018330
Yes, give them more space.

>>96018515
also Artificer Armor sarge placing his chest in front of every bullet for 50 miles around

>>96018598
>Challenges
Should be removed entirely, its such a time sink and either a slap fight or too one sided.
>>96018605
Point, just remove 2+ as an upgrade across the board.

>>96018074
The big bolter is sort of an intended effect, I really wanted to play up the scale difference between humans and space marines, it's the sole reason I equipped my guys with bolters.

The base was super simple, just ak interactive snow over an otherwise untouched base. If you want to make it look a bit better, what I did on later models was put some earth/mud texture down first, then do the snow over it.

gonna do his joints soon, thinking of calling him:
>Ballatrix, Totem of the First Creation

>>96018741
>>96018741
>>96018741

>>96018330
>I'm just saying, whenever something goes wrong the Alpha Legion always seem to be involved. Horus said this war would be over in a month and here we are almost a decade later putting geneseed in kids who weren't even born when it started, and have you heard the latest? The Alpha Legion were supposed to begin the Sol invasion and (((somehow))) it got screwed up and now we have a much harder fight on our hands. I'm just asking questions, yeah? Think about it.

>>96015038
Elimination of primarchs does not mean elimination of individual characters, you can easily place another 18 commanders for the 18 legions in place of the primarchs and you can even call the position primarch without it being the emperor's super children or whatever.