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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ:
How are you celebrating AMERICA day?

>>96014613 (OP)
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-07-25-catdog/?cb=1751649113
Making an abomination of a deck, attempts at making it budget failed or passed idk is 100 budget?
>TQ
Celebrating by eating MEXICAN food. Arroz, carne asada, fucking B E A N S

Making shitty ""''thopter""" tokens

Is it weird to have a $25 card in a deck with nothing over $3 in it just because I like the card and it's fun?

>>96014579
Savra for sure. She's a blast to play and is easily my favourite deck of all the ones I've built.

>>96014714
It's only cringe when you put 1k dollar cards in decks they don't belong just because you want to be a show off faggot.
Etali can win you games.

>>96014714
You're playing a card game for fun. Nothing much is weird and half the rules are social conventions.
Do you tend to flip it most games? That's the part most people might get annoyed about.

>>96014714
It's weird asking grown men if the way you are having fun is acceptable to them or if you should stop.

>>96014613 (OP)
>tq
Circumcised the other players at my lgs

>>96014714
Nah, if you find the card fun, go for it

Bring back tuck

>>96014743
Idk if its beainrot but I hate knowing what your talking about

>>96014770
>>96014743
This is directed at you, by the way. Why are you running Chains in a budget deck?

Any ideas on how to make Garland work that isn't Dragon's Approach? Trying to find some Rakdos spellslinger options that are actually interesting.

>>96014823
Who gives a fuck my word are you a child?

>>96014823
>have card
>use card
It's not that complicated.

I love playing budget decks.
They're so fun and way less homogenized than regular decks.

>>96014837
He doesn't do anything.
Maybe underworld breach if you really want.

>>96014850
>can't run the pushed best-in-slot draw engine
>need to choose between the synergistic draw engine with a high ceiling but potential to fall apart, or cheaper and more consistent draw that won't net you nearly as much if you already have a lead
>can't run generic ramp into finisher like everyone else because the explosive cards are expensive, so you need to learn how to play a slower and more resilient game with a good balance of threats and answers
>can't run generic goodstuff, need to find a commander that synergized hard with cards that a lot of other decks can't use because those cards are going to be cheapest
>the grueling decision of whether to focus on a few key $5 cards that you need to build around making sure you see every game, or whether to focus on keeping the 99 consistent with lots of redundancies to make up for the lack of hyperefficient draw and tutors
It's so good.

Wow budgetfags are insufferable

>>96014886
Not as bad as proxy chuds

Oh whoops, new thread time.

>>96014019
>do you still have stuff like Steel Hellkite for bombing people?
Uhh, no? Is a Hellkite a nickname for a type of jet or something? I don't get the reference.
>Turf War, Lust for War
These seem pretty neat, I'll have to try them out.
>Assault Suit
Already got it proxied up as T-45 armor years ago.

>>96014823
Disregarding everything else about these posts, what world is my Golbez deck budget in?

>>96014883
>can't run generic ramp into finisher like everyone else because the explosive cards are expensive
>can't run generic goodstuff
You can easily do both of these in budget decks.

>>96014886
Yes yes, I'm sure you paid a lot of money for that rhystic study solely because it fits your theme.

>>96014896
This but unironically.

>>96014896
None of my decks are over 150 CAD. Im just not an insufferable faggot about it like you are

>>96014904
No, you're an insufferable faggot alright. No need to worry about that.
The fact you consider $150 "budget" is very telling, by the way.

>>96014895
You really can't, unless you think spending hundreds on a single deck is budget like the other guy.

>>96014917
100 USD is definitely considered budget by probably 99% of the community anon.

>>96014890
There's literally nothing wrong with proxying.
>b-b-b-ut they're gonna proxy mana crypt and all the strongest cards evarr
So if they had those cards it would be fine?
You have a problem with faggots playing at an inappropriate power level, not proxies.
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut all proxies are $2000 cards
They're not. Grow up.

>>96014926
Llanowar elves is like 15 cents, cultivate is like 30. Endless amounts of counterspells are under $0.25, tons of draw spells are cheap, tons of cheap removal available.

And there are shitloads of options for explosive cards that are under $1 or even $0.50. You seem like you're really bad at making decks.

>>96014935
Way to prove his point anon

>>96014883
Is this how Bolas sees himself when next to Ugin?

>>96014945
>And there are shitloads of options for explosive cards that are under $1 or even $0.50
Uh huh. Can you name any? Because I guarantee this hypothetical deck of llanowar elves, cultivate, cancel or whatever cheap counterspells you're thinking of, and [cheap removal] is probably going to fold to any $150 deck posted in here.

>>96014945
People like that genuinely do not know magics cardpool cause all they've ever done up until they make their first non net deck budget list is use edhrec

>>96014966
The vast majority of cards, finishers included, in magic are under a dollar.

>>96014893
aren't all of your creatures $10 or less?

>>96014966
Are you actually so retarded that you think I was describing a single deck or are you just being a piece of shit on purpose?

>>96014976
Riiight. Here, I'll chuck an easy one at you. Overrun.
So you've got llanowar elves, cultivate, and overrun. This is a pretty basic list. Do you really think this is going to realistically do anything at a bracket 3 table? No, you're going to go back to playing Edgar Markov or whatever autopilot deck funneled everything into.

>>96014966
This isn't even the cheapest win the game card and its still under .50

>>96014935
>Anon suggest proxyfags are annoying diaper shitters
>To prove him wrong you shit your diaper
Norn tier terrible plan.

>>96014996
And you're going to clone it with, what? Clones and win over the course of five turns and 20 mana?
Rite of Replication? Good luck finding it without tutors or a Rhystic study. Great deck here, chief.

Maybe you should stick to Prismatic Bridge legendary goodstuff; seems more your speed.

>>96014926
So expensive!

>>96014955
>>96015000
>n-n-n-n-ooooo~ you can't argue against me, that just proves me right! i'm right you're wrong!!
Grow up.

>>96015005
>wah wah I need my budget deck to compete with top tier cards
You're such a bitch. No wonder you have no friends to play with.

>>96014981
You are free to look for yourself, ironically, I'm considering putting in Ancient Tomb but I don't know what I'd cut for it.
https://archidekt.com/decks/13425334/crystal_collection

>>96015014
We don't need to argue, you're proving the point with every post you make.
Good job.

>>96015024
>Ancient Tomb
That card sucks so much harder than it looks like unless your commander is over 5-7mv. What are you casting on turn 1 for 2 mana and 2 life? Arcane Signet?

>>96015006
Wow, you uh... exiled one creature and ramped them.
Did you think I was saying budget decks have zero interaction or something? lol

>>96015016
I don't need them to, but I'm a good enough deckbuilder that they can and they're way more interesting than whatever Voja slop list you've got as a result. Don't worry though, I'm sure everyone's impressed when you worldly tutor your craterhoof for a win.

>>96014613 (OP)
>How are you celebrating AMERICA day?
I don't celebrate destroyed countries

>>96015035
>straight up admits he has no friends
holy kek

>>96015037
>I don't celebrate destroyed countries
libtard pls go

>>96015039
?
I just ignored that part of your post. It's clear you don't have anything else to say if that's what you're grasping at this early into the discussion.

>>96014935
Proxyfags are devoid of any and all logic and their argument effectively boils down to "I am too much of a retard/pussy to use rule 0 or just use brackets. So I demand proxies be banned because I let people use tier 5 bracket decks on my bracket 1's"

>>96015035
>I'm a good deckbuilder
>thinks that budget removal, draw, goodstuff cards, and finishers don't exist
Your best card is your credit card.

>>96015043
You could have just not asked an offtopic question.

>>96015035
Don't be rude to them, anon. I'm sure they thought they were being really unique and creative when they put 30 copies of hare apparent into their baylen decks.

>>96015035
>>96015053
>being this specific while seething
Neither of you will ever post your decks because neither of you play.

>>96014842
You can say nigga here

>>96015063
Ok?

>>96015049
>thinks that budget removal, draw, goodstuff cards, and finishers don't exist
Never said that. Try again.
Obviously they exist, but you can't just toss 60 of them in a deck and call it a day. It's just going to be a shitty pile that gets merked by anyone playing at a higher budget.

Though I guess the concept of deck optimization and playing skill is outside of the realm of thought for most people who just pay for whatever's strongest and call it a day.

>>96015068
You don't have to say "my word" is my point

>>96014932
This. People who think budget decks are 20 dollars or something are insane. The only way you're doing that is with some meme shit that's like 98/99 lands and a commander

>>96015078
lmao no wonder everyone in here is such a tard if they can't even fathom making a deck under a hundred

>>96015075
Ok? Well clearly he wanted to.

>>96014932
$100 per deck is a dollar per card, that's absolutely budget

>>96015084
closer to 1.50-2.00 per card since people run somewhere between 30-40 lands

>>96015089
Yeah but I actually pay for my basic lands

>>96015081
let me guess
G/X +1/+1 counter slop? because thats all my friends play when they play their sub $15 decks.

>i have fun doing this
>OH my fucking GOD i HATE when people have fun doing this thing that i personally do NOT do

>>96015097
thus but unironically

>>96015097
First time on 4chan?

>>96015069
>but you can't just toss 60 of them in a deck and call it a day
Talk about something no one said. You're such a faggot.

>>96015097
>how DARE other players play with a restriction instead of just buying all of the best and most expensive cards
Yeah I don't know what kind of own these tards think they're going for either.

>>96014837
He's only a card selection engine like DRC. Black waltz does rakdos spellslinger better at the same rarity and let's garland support

>>96014990
What do you mean
>riiiiiight
Its objectively fact anon. The vast majority of all cards are cheap

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96015120
One of the very first responses was someone saying you can easily run generic goodstuff on a budget. Now, yes, admittedly if you consider half a grand to be budget then yes, you can run generic goodstuff on a budget. But you can't really put $50 of cards together on a whim and expect them to compete at the same level.

>>96015005
Why would you need any of that? Sufficient draw, interaction etc. Are you one of those bad players who thinks you need to immediately win the game all at once or there's no chance whatsoever? They got a name for those
Nogames!

My favorite strawman is the one where anyone who proxies must be proxying grim monoliths and lions eye diamonds

>Hermione Granger, Prodigal Mudblood
>2UR
>Human Wizard Gryffindor
>When you cast your second spell each turn make an Offspring token with target Slytherin
>1/4

>>96015133
>The vast majority of all cards are cheap
Are the vast majority of good cards?
Scornful Egotist is about ten cents. Maybe less if you find it in-person. I still wouldn't run it, personally.

>>96015014
But there there no argument presented anon. Someone shared their opinion, devoid of ANY arguments, and you proceeded to screeching and argue against yourself. You are unhinged and insufferable.
>>96015035
Post 3 lists anon lets make this easy lol

>>96014935
>So if they had those cards it would be fine?
Yeah?

>>96015063
You can speak however you want here lemming.

>>96015147
>Why would you need any of that?
...because the card wins the game when you have multiple copies of it.
Are you just running it as a vanilla 2/3 for 3? I guess you could do that, and it would be budget, but I feel like with some thought put into the deck, you could do better.

I proxy everything on the reserve list because I'm not a man child that blows hundreds of dollars on a cardboard rectangle

>>96015089
Archidekt does give you a no (basic) lands cost but I am including them because thats the price of the deck...

>>96015156
Yes. Seeing as the vast majority of cards are cheap then logically also the vast majority of good cards will also be cheap. Because this is a cheap game. Here is a fantastic game ender for 1 dollar.

>>96015150
I mean last thread was a goblin mommy themed Urza's Saga. It's not that farfetched; whats a 200 dollar card if you're already printing a 40 dollar one.

>>96015160
Then you don't really care about the game so much as you care about the physical product. Which is fine, but most proxy players prefer to actually play the game, so it's only natural you and they would have different opinions overall.

Instead of Magic, maybe you should consider a hobby like collecting designer sneakers, since that's also something that revolves mostly purely around spending money.

>>96015167
Yes and yet nothing in your post follows. You should try engaging honestly anon

>>96015186
It is actually extremely far fetched. Your anecdote isn't working.

>>96015187
But you are technically stealing anon. This hobby, along with the vast majority
of hobbies, cost money. Youve just chosen to skip that part of the process and in a pathetic attempt have tried to actually turn it into a virtue lol. No, stealing cards and not magically make you care about the game more or less. Most people who buy cards are also buying to play, and they have actually invested into it so if anyone did care about playing more, its those who have actually put something into playing.

I am so sick of the anti-proxy trolling

>>96015183
>Here is a fantastic game ender for 1 dollar.
It's a fantastic game ender if you have cards in your graveyard that can end the game, which is a taller order if the cards in your graveyard are mostly overlooked commons and uncommons that aren't a good fit in other decks and are lower priced as a result. To say nothing of engines to fill the graveyard efficiently and the ramp needed to hit the overload threshold.

>>96014714
you don't like etali enough if you're putting him with nothing but < $3 draft chaff, you literally do him a disservice

proxyfags begging for validation yet again i see

>>96015223
No its not? I think you are just bad at building decks and dont know the card pool magic has to offer.

>just the standard trolling even reddit doesn't bother with
>over and over again, never ever changing.
Lettin the threads go by
shitposts flowing under mods
Same as it ever was

>>96015223
Kuja is a dollar, when you have 3 wizard tokens and a damage doubler it doesn't matter what the spells actually are, you can just dump whatever with looting effects or surveil

>>96015203
You seem to believe willful ignorance will prove your point. That's almost cute.

Tell me what cute proxied goblin deck needs an Urza's saga? Baron of Tin Street Krenko?

>>96015265
Well that one anon got Gay Bolas into the story, so we have that going for us.

>>96015273
No he didn't.

>>96015215
>But you are technically stealing anon. This hobby, along with the vast majority
i swear to you 100% that the anon you were talking to will froth at the mouth at ai stealing from artists but could care less about stealing from mtg because muh evil corporation despite it being composed of people with families to feed

>>96015215
Bait or retardation. Call it.

>>96015296
that artist you're defending from aibros won't fuck you for being such a white knight for them buddy boy

>>96015308
Intentional strawman or retardation? Call it.

>>96015024
>https://archidekt.com/decks/13425334/crystal_collection
okay so it's not budget but it's definitely bad

>>96015269
I ignored FF. Pushed set + UB
Fair enough though. I'm sure he's very easy to build no matter what your budget.

>>96015264
It most definitely is, and if you look at what cards are actually available within that range and what their effects actually are, you'll see it's both harder to hit the threshold where the card functions ideally and the payoff for hitting that threshold is also lower than what it usually would be outside of a budget deck.

>>96015311
you wish a girl would finally call you KEK

>>96015183
This combos with pic for as many cast triggers as you can afford, you need either infinite mana or you need to reduce your spell costs by 3
>have schemes in grave
>normal cast mastery exiling schemes
>cast schemes copy targeting exiled schemes, add R
>cast real schemes for R targeting mastery, add R
>normal cast mastery for R, repeat the process

I love my autistic nightmare waifu so much

>>96015321
Oh never mind I'm stupid lmao, it can only grab exiled cards if they have flashback

Fellow rich bros what is your most valuable deck?

I use proxies for cards that otherwise have hideous art. If wotc wants my money they should print more appealing art. Fail to do so and I will take matters into my own hands. It's that simple, really.

Is that heckin shield sphere proxy? THIS IS LITERALLY BRACKET 5!

>>96015344
$300 is more than enough to win consistently at bracket 2
mtg doesn't have to be as expensive as you think a hobby should be, especially when you're in 4chan and you keep forgetting /vmg/ exists

>>96015344
5c good stuff.deck

>>96015279
>He doesn't know

>>96015359
>doesn't answer the question

>>96015321
I hate the wording on this card. The designers need to learn about the oxford comma

>>96015345
i only make edh decks with acceptable art to begin with
the card i have with the ugliest art i have is picrel and it's fine imo because it naturally shows how ugly a girl will become if you pump her with a belt injecting tons of testosterone

>>96015359
>bracket 2
precons are less than $100. what massive skill gap do you need to compensate to build a $300 deck to play against precons?

>>96015384
100 dollar decks can be extremely strong.

>>96015367
obviously around $300 dimwit
>>96015357
imagine being such a poorfag that you have to proxy shield sphere

>>96015392
Wait I thought proxies were bad because they were always of powerful stuff?

>>96015384
that's why i said more than $300 you dyslexic
not my fault the cards i like also have some collector appeal, it is what it is

>>96015187
You shouldn't put words in people's mouths dude, it's rude. Not all opinions directly infer you of other ones they might have, that's not how people work. Even if you have autism you should have learned this by the time you turned 18.

>>96015396
>shield sphere is never strong even in the right deck don't ask why i even bothered proxying it
>look i just want to feel STRONG despite being a poorfag OK?!

>>96015396
Proxies are bad because people pretend to be retards about it to post AI slop in the threads. The rest isn't really my business.

Custom magic thread is somewhere over there and if they kick your ass out don't come back here.

>>96015403
That's a whole lot of words to say nothing. Just call me a faggot next time and move on. Trying to act like a smartass and failing just makes you look like a dumbass, so you might as well own it.

>>96015408
So really just because you want to troll?

>>96015150
If there's nothing stopping you, why wouldn't someone do that?
Its the shopping cart theory really, a lot of people will not regulate and keep their deck's power levels in check if they don't have to.

>>96015410
See there you go doing it again. You are a rude and simple-minded person and I will not apologize for calling you out because it's clear the truth hurts you more. I don't even dislike proxies wise guy.

>>96015406
but I thought good cards were always like 500 and that's why proxies bad

>>96015419
No proxies are bad because they discourage creativity.

>>96015419
nobody mentioned $500 itt you poorfag

>>96015421
>They discourage making your deck shit.

>>96015425
No I'm pretty sure putting duals into your deck will do the exact opposite of that.

>>96015384
A lot of decks are bracket 2, even if they have a bunch of value cards. Many lands don't lift a deck out of bracket 2. Neither does the great henge despite costing 60 bucks. Same for eldrazi.

>>96015412
>lost the argument
>you just want to rub your superiority in our faces and that's trolling!
kekw

Why is 4chan the only actually anti-proxy place?

>>96015434
Because we were pro-proxy before it was cool.

>>96015434
because making fun of people for being poor helps with gatekeeping
you know, the thing that mtg players should've done a long time ago to prevent it being full of uggos

>>96015412
Sorry I guess that wasn't the whole story. It goes in a loop see; people show up talking about their super cool proxies that are totally awesome for the game because WOTC are nazies or some shit and how much cheaper they are and oh god they gargle so many dicks I'm half convinced they're astroturfing for sellers.

Then the retards get in on the action when people predictably tell them to fuck off. They pretend its some kind of elaborate culture war and that REAL FANs get proxies but they CAN'T be simple playtesting pieces, no they have to be stuffed with AI art or counterfeits (but they're totally not going to trade them or play them in sanctioned play, they just find writing 'proxy' on them to be too icky).

We're now on the refractory period where johnny come lately retards try to shitpost about it, but since they're not only dumb they're also LATE nobody feels like playing along.

Sum it up well enough for you?

>>96015434
what bizarro universe do you live in

>>96015448
I don't think you can gatekeep someone in the game for 15 years

>>96015455
I have never seen anti-proxy posting outside of here. Can you link to some?

>>96015448
>because making fun of people for being poor helps with gatekeeping
we have a spiderman set coming out in like 2 months and we just had final fantasy
this larp is increasingly stupid

>>96015418
He is correct though.

>>96015453
>Things that haven't happened

>>96015434
Are we even anti-proxy? Most of the arguments against them tonight don't feel more serious than a 20 year marriage wife's grumblings. We all know deep down everyone here has visited a chinaman.

>>96015469
it's the purest contrarian for being contrarian's sake shit ever
everyone knows no one here gives 2 shits about jotc or faggots like rudy getting money

>no you don't understand your deck HAS to have a WACKY chungus theme and do EPIC maymays instead of trying to win
>you're not allowed to use any expensive cards, interact before turn three, or try to win before turn 8 or you're a SWEAT making sheldor sad by going against the spirit of LE FORMAT
Why do 1tards always have the most reddit views on the format? Whats wrong with trying to play magic in the one format that's not dead?

>>96015464
No, you are not. :)

>>96015460
i do my part regardless to prove that the road not taken was the correct path (and also to rub it in your face that you were wrong)

Post decks or something.

>>96015467
There you go with the willful ignorance again. You could just be stupid, but I thought it would be rude to assume.

I don't really give a shit what you print and play or order from china, but don't advertise here and if you try and pass a fake off to me in a store so help me god if I don't break your arm I hope someone else rips off your head. This kind of moronic deviancy cannot be permitted in the gene pool on the remote accident it can be passed along.

>>96015141
>But you can't really put $50 of cards together on a whim and expect them to compete at the same level.
I can. Not my fault you're a retard that needs whatever $12 card edhrec is telling you to use.

>>96015467
there's a common thought among the other boards that /tg/ is an island and is painfully unaware of the real world
thanks anon for being more proof for that

>>96015483
>I can.

>>96015476
>i do my part regardless to prove that the road not taken was the correct path (and also to rub it in your face that you were wrong)
but you are wrong though, this is evidence of it

>>96015453
>They pretend its some kind of elaborate culture war and that REAL FANs get proxies but they CAN'T be simple playtesting pieces, no they have to be stuffed with AI art or counterfeits
The last two proxies posted in here were literally Donald Trump Ruhan and a based as hell Fallout deck with Lucky 38 backs. Nobody is out there trying to pass those off as real you clown.

>>96015187
>Then you don't really care about the game so much as you care about the physical product
Part of the game is using things you have collected and making the best deck out of the circumstances.
Its one of the biggest parts of any CCG, but proxyfags act like this shouldn't be something that matters because they want to compete on a level they can not collect at or just want to be the pub stomping "spike"

>>96015141
>But you can't really put $50 of cards together on a whim and expect them to compete at the same level.
bwahahaha
dumbass what you really want is a deck that doesn't play the same every single time, that interacts and does things besides turn things sideways, that is ofc not thousands of dollars
guess what, that still costs money so pay up, poorfag

>>96015313
>ideally
Woah really? A budget deck isn't as ideal power wise as a $4000 netdeck? No one here had any idea.

>>96015492
you clearly have dyslexia
nowhere in my post says i hate UB
in fact i prefer UB now because at least there i know the women in it will look like actual women
you lost btw
very bigly
tremendous loss

The vast majority of budget decks rely heavily on their commander and do not operate without it. A bit of an issue.

>>96015477
Didn't have a good showing last time I played. Waiting on greater good and Oswald to show up in the mail. Probably should put the fat ass transit mage in there too.

>>96015518
i think your lack of disposable income is the real issue

>>96015528
Happens when the economy is destroyed

>>96015474
>makes up quotes
>seethes
based

>>96015533
/vmg/ exists btw, you really should visit other boards
things being tough the past few years doesn't mean everyone is as poor as you are

>>96015538
I don't really care about your obsession with some video game you can choose not to spend a ton of money on.

>>96015523

>>96015481
>so help me god if I don't break your arm
How do you write this and not feel like a huge fag? Or is being a huge fag your natural state?
>>96015538
I make more money than you and still proxy. Why wait for a card to ship when I can print it?

>>96015538
>few years
You mean 6 months since someone got into power lol

>>96015543
>I don't really care about your obsession with some video game you can choose not to spend a ton of money on.
>btw you absolutely have to spend a ton of money on mtg
roru rumao

>>96015552
I'm not the one who thinks 12 dollar shield sphere are a ton of money lmao

>>96015544
?

>>96015548
>Why wait for a card to ship when I can print it?
if 2-3 days shipping time is the deal breaker here and you can't afford that (time is money after all) then i'm 100% convinced that i'm far richer than you :)

>>96015548
Anon I might have to be gay because the only possible reason for me to continue to try and explain these basic concepts to you has to be pure unrelenting homosexual lust. There is really no other explanation, you're too stupid to debate, too moronic to understand and too boring to be funny, so honestly I have to have some repressed urge to bite your cock off.

Or you could be projecting, in which case please get off my dick.

>>96015552
>>btw you absolutely have to spend a ton of money on mtg
Not if you proxy.
MTG is far pricier than gacha in every possible way.

>>96015523
are those....HECKIN PROXIES?!

>>96015555
i'm the one making fun of the guy proxying $12 shield spheres you idiot bwahahahaha
>>96015560
>MTG is far pricier than gacha in every possible way.
why don't you look up how much a c6r5 5* genshin character costs (which btw will fall of the meta after a few months) then come back to me
actually, never come back, that's much better lol

>>96015477
skipped my LGS last night to relax and be lazy
>>96015312
I'm curious anon, what's wrong with it?

>>96015562
They sure heckin' are.

>>96015549
>still seething about the bigly loss

>>96015578
Absolutely gatekept

>>96015586
money is already gatekeeping you poorfag kek

>>96015591
I lost all my money from the bigly tariffs :(

>>96015596
time to pivot and invest in the home front then

>>96014700
>humanoid thopters
good idea

now anthopomorph the rest of the tokens that are non-human

>>96015155
>Partners with Bellatrix Lestrange

>>96015296
What i said is true. It's the same as pirating, it is stealing, just in a way we dont care about it as there is no actual product being sold. But you are avoiding giving them money for something you would have to

I want to make a fun deck filled with horses, pegasi, and unicorns. my options are pretty limited but who should be my commander? Shadowfax, Lord of Horses, Thurid, Mare of Destiny or Lathiel, the Bounteous Dawn?

>Check out proxies on etsy
>aislop

>>96015313
I have a 80 dollar deck without mizzix as the wincon that is nigh undefeated. You're just bad at magic anon.

>>96015344
My hazezon deck has inflated to around 350 USD. Funny enough its probably one of my worst and hardly ever wins.

>>96015155
>magical world
>not using magic to enhance breasts
this always breaks the immersion for me

>>96015612
That's the plan, only done insects and thopters so far though.

>>96015627
Thurid seems to have more tribal support off the bat but Shadowfax is much better for aggro and dips in R for more horse and horse boosts

>>96015502
I have a gargos pump spells deck. Wincons are gargos, pumping omnivore, or venerated rotpriest. I think its like 120 now due to card prices rising but I spent 80 bucks on it and it has like a 75% winrate

>>96015549
But literally everything is cheaper right now anon...

>>96015643
thanks for being a good rep for winning on a budget/responsible spending anon

>>96015625
>pirating is theft
lol

>>96015647
Too bad Americans don't believe this going by polls.

R W U
>Benjamin Franklin, Avatar of Based

Elemental Advisor Avatar

1/6

Fuck fakers. fuck tokens. Tokens can't be created.
Fuck replacement effects. Fuck modifications. Cards are read as written.
Fuck taxes. You pay the taxes yourself or sacrifice half of your shit for each tax.
Oh, and when you vote more than once or control votes, you lose bitch.

>>96015652
you forgot the full phrase
if buying isn't owning pirating isn't stealing
i don't think mtg will send the pinkertons at me one day for buying real cards

This is probably the worst thread this general has had in a while. Just 95% trolling.

>>96015660
>pinkertons
That guy was stupid for not waving a gun at them

>>96015652
It is, you are receiving something for free that you need to pay for. Just because there isnt one less copy in the world as a result of your actions doesn't change that you are receiving something for free, that has a cost attached to it. Digital doesn't (shouldnt) change laws. There's no real argument against this and no one cares cause we all should pirate.

>>96015677
lol

>>96015668
That guy was stupid for listening to them to begin with.

>>96015677
Depends on the actual laws. I know at least in some countries piracy USED to literally not be stealing since stealing was defined in such a way that something actually had to be taken, and making a copy doesn't do that.
Which companies remotely killswitching your shit COULD count as, which is part of the reason why people care less and less about piracy.

>>96015682
If he didnt he would have faced actual legal troubles possibly jail time. The pinkertons were a grace allowing him to simply return the stolen product and not involve actual law enforcement agents

>>96015697
He absolutely would not have. And he actually had a legal right to shoot them if they did not immediately leave.

>>96015569
>I'm curious anon, what's wrong with it?
we've had this discussion before

>>96015699
Wrong on both accounts anon.

im thinking of starting to collect collector pack only cards. im talking texture foil, surge foil, etc.
the question is, what is the first card I should buy?

>>96015344
Grixis Artifacts Marchesa
https://moxfield.com/decks/ALXxlR1ItkieBPwNBmwF_g

>>96015661
Blame the mods for not cleaning this shit up.

>>96015612
Yeah, that's NEVER been done before and to be done so badly is just chefs kiss

>>96015631
Draw them yourself

>>96015658
Remove Benjamin Franklin from your deck before playing if you’re not playing at an event that doesn't have deck checks.
Play cards as written. Ignore all errata
Tokens can't be created.
Creatures can't be equipped, be enchanted, or have counters put on them.
If an effect other than this one would replace another effect, it doesn't instead.
You may sacrifice half your permanents instead of paying "commander tax" for each time other than the first that you’ve cast a commander from the command zone this game.
If a player would vote an additional time, that player loses the game instead

>>96015748
Currently only doing tokens, but Ill paint some regular cards next. Maybe just straight up a copy of the bundle One Ring

>>96015754
>Remove Benjamin Franklin from your deck before playing if you’re at an event or playgroup that doesn't have deck checks.
>Play cards as written. Ignore all errata.
>Tokens can't be created.
>Creatures can't be equipped, be enchanted, enter the battlefield with counters, or have counters put on them.
>If an effect other than those of Benjamin Franklin would replace another effect, it doesn't instead.
>You may sacrifice half your permanents instead of paying "commander tax" for each time other than the first that you’ve cast a commander from the command zone this game.
>If a player would vote an additional time, that player loses the game instead
there better templating ;p

Rats

>>96015803
ummm what the CHUD

>oh you want a counter to commander theft? just run cards whose sole purpose is to destroy your own commander at instant speed

>>96015697
It wasn't stolen. He ordered a box of something, and the seller accidentally sent him the wrong product.

*taps Homeward Path*

>or maybe make a deck that's not reliant on your commander to win

>>96015863
Or use a commander that can win the game the moment it hits the table. I don't even cast Shao Jun unless I can bring the pain

>>96015874
>yes you can always use a cedh deck
why are you complaining like a woman about commander theft then

>>96015880
I just got here tf you talking about?
>cedh
>Shao Jun
lol you fucking wish

>>96014714
This card is not fun

>>96015885
>only in /tg/ do i get anons entering an argument and then complain when they get confused for someone else, because ofc we're all anons here

>>96015885
don't use phrases like
>Or use a commander that can win the game the moment it hits the table.
so lightly when picrel exists
hyperbole can easily be mistaken for sincerity when it comes to these things

>>96015874
Post the Shao Jun deck, I've been a little curious

>>96015900
I don't keep lists. Pretty much just include all the cards that repeatedly makes treasures/clue/junk/thopter/etc tokens, amass a great pile of them, then summon her and tap the pile to activate her ability a ton of times. Includes a few cards that untaps all my artifacts to do it again. Also has a bunch of damage doublers

>>96014613 (OP)
Bringing pic related to a Con today.Wish me luck in threatening people's Generals.

>>96015900
Uhhh play artifacts and tap them. Dumb tripnigger

>>96015754
NGL a vote hating card would be great
5uw "Enforced Democracy"
enchantment
If a player would vote an more than once on each vote, that player loses the game.
>captcha: 2RWMD

>>96015932
>turbo floodgate to already super niche mechanic
and then people are shocked that everyone seems to play the same cookie cutter shit

>>96015906
no image of the deck? Fair enough, I've got a copy of her so I've been sorta sitting on it since you seem to mention her being good fairly often.
>>96015911
i'm gonna make a stinky in your shoes, anon
>>96015707
I think the only card off-hand that I really wish I could slot in is Noxious Gearhulk. Maybe some more sorceries (I have 2 lmao)

>>96015963
>no image of the deck?
too lazy desu. cba to lay out the cards and upload a picture

>>96015938
Well you could tone it down staxwise, it just needs to be a big slap on the wrist for extra votes.

>>96015965
No worries, but if you ever do and I'm in thread, link me
>>96015969
Probably should be something similar to Grudge Keeper, but instead of losing life for voting differently, but everyone loses life for each vote

>"I hate voting"
Translation from noob:
>I played against "casual" Tivit and could not threat assess therefore I let Tivit resolve and now mistakenly believe the problem was the voting mechanic

What the fuck. Remember when Crucible effects were super rare? Im not complaining I run Necrobloom but still

>>96015994
Sexy insect that's a day one buy (assuming its under 10 dollars)

>>96015994
People give me shit for hating on the massive powercreep and wanting to go back to creatures with only keywords on them, and then I'm constantly pointing to shit like this

>>96015994
More insects for zask...

>>96015994
>4 mana Aesi with Crucible
Incredible

>>96015994
>people are now forced to run more boardwipes
>FUCK why are people so UNFUN?!

>>96015986
this isnt even the noobs/casuals fault

>>96016013
good thing those wipes get cheaper and betterer too

>>96016029
man i love this card

>>96015994
>Remember when Crucible effects were super rare?
Like 10 years ago. How long ago was Amonkhet?

>>96015994
good, if one archetype that needs that power boost, its definetly lands.
>have this out and use your fetchland two times in a row for those sweet 4 landfall triggers i worked super hard for

>>96015994
>What the fuck. Remember when Crucible effects were super rare?
No? There was one just printed in Duskmourn

>>96015842
Things you are not supposed to have (even if mistakenly) once not returned, are stolen.

>>96016046
as someone who remembers people shitting their pants when they revealed Ramunap Excavator I can kinda see what they mean, now duskmorn had one, eoe has one, phyrexia had one, there is probably something else im missing that also had one

>>96016046
Thats my point, it was a really uncommon effect but they seem to churn out one every year for the past 5 or so years

>>96015744
Chef's kiss this Servo right on her lips you fuddy duddy.

>>96015994
Yes... yes!

>>96016053
brothers war had one too

>>96015639
Show insects

>>96016065
post other decks ITT that are friendly to play for the lobotomized

>>96015994
I remember an anon saying that someone on the design ream has a zask deck because they just keep making insects that fit right into him and it grows truer by the month

creature crucible effects will always be worse than artifact ones

>>96016085
ok but just how much redundancy you need

>>96016096
its an Insect that allows you to play an aditional land each turn. That alone is good enough, but it has even more text

>>96016064
Cringe and tranny

>>96015631
>I want to take other people's things for free for my own use
>ugh AI stuff for free so unethical!

>>96015631
Get over it

>>96016026
If the noob was more aware they would recognize the problem was the 3 clues and 2 treasures every turn, not the line of text making it 2 treasures instead of 1.

>>96016078
https://files.catbox.moe/au6moy.jpg

>>96016145
More

>>96016084

>>96016122
the problem here is more
>plagiarize steal other peoples work
>put AI artwork over it, plagiarizing even more peoples work in the process
>put a pricetag on it
if you want to be a corpo kissass so bad, at least do it the right way. also tip your local WotC associate

>>96016145
Too much woman not enough bug

>>96016145
Holy slop

>>96016064
Doll joints are patrician, robot girls are plebeian

>>96016158
>>plagiarize steal other peoples work
>>put AI artwork over it, plagiarizing even more peoples work in the process
If a person takes inspiration from someone else's artwork, even if they produced works blatantly based on that other person's style, it would not amount to stealing.
This is such a silly line of argument and yet it's some how so pervasive. You have rights in the works you produce and you have rights for those works not to be copied 1 to 1. You do not have the right to prevent someone from making a completely new work with your work.
>if you want to be a corpo kissass
The irony is AI is for the masses. It's for people who don't have the time to spend years of their life developing a skill, and for people who never had the childhood that would let them explore and cultivate those skills in the first place.
Whenever anything is available to the masses, people are always going to misuse it, people are always going to use it poorly, this is not something to be mad about. The majority of photographs taken on smartphones have no artistic merit, and lets face it a good chunk of all photos ever taken are just porn, but you're not mad that everyone has access to high quality cameras. Why would you choose to be mad about people having access to image generation?

>>96016198
>If a person takes inspiration from someone else's artwork, even if they produced works blatantly based on that other person's style, it would not amount to stealing.
Unless it was of a character they owned an IP to

>>96016198
>You do not have the right to prevent someone from making a completely new work with your work.
Tell that to Nintendo

>>96016201
No, even then. You will note most IP lawsuits involving characters are about names, not likenesses. It is much more difficult to create a character so unique that its likeness would be protected by copyright. You could write a book or make a videogame with what are obviously intended to be Magic characters, but WotC would have a very difficult time suing you if you changed your names.

Keep trying though! A broken clock is right twice a day, and a layman will be right about law at least once if he keeps asserting his assumptions as fact!

>>96016208
Nintendo almost never gets to court on this shit, people just comply with cease and desists. Note how Nintendo fucking lost to Palworld.

>>96016198
when i said steal, i was talking about the actual magic card - the Name of the Card & Textbox. Legality aside, these Proxy makers put no work into the game design of the card, they had to "steal" it from an actual card to make their proxy, that represents the original.

>>96016224
The obvious implication of your post was that theft of some kind is occurring when the design of cards is copied, and then again when AI art is added to it.

>>96015313
>I ignored things that actively destroys my positions
We know, asshole

>>96016198
>this is not something to be mad about
>Why would you choose to be mad about people having access to image generation

for stupid memes and other lolcow shit, of course there is no harm.
the entire point is, that payment of actual and phsyical real world money is involved, thus the
>put a pricetag on it
majority of photographs taken on smartphones with no artistic merit isnt being sold as a product or treated as intellectual property with monetary value. something those Etsy sloppers certainly do with their "creations"

>>96016224
>Game design of the card
Anon, its proxy, its a fake that is meant to be a stand in for the actual card. Proxies are not custom cards. Buying a big boobie copperdragon off etsy isn't any different than writing on a swamp withe sharpie that its an ancient copper dragon.
They're both stand ins for an actual card.

underrated card in GR

>>96016158
The only problem is the very first part anon :) which is what proxiers also do

>>96016247
>majority of photographs taken on smartphones with no artistic merit isnt being sold as a product or treated as intellectual property with monetary value
weird way of saying that you are a time traveler from a time before women were invented

>>96016259
nah

>>96016216
Nintendo didn't even sue Palworld in US court and Japan has virtually no fair use protections.

Goddamn final fantasy cards are ridiculously expensive

>>96016302
Cause they know the ff pigs will pay it lol

>>96016259
me in the middle

What makes people target this card so hard? I feel like whenever he's on the board it's one of the top priorities if there isn't a game ender out already. Disproportionate reaction to a 3cmc common. I play it with my Delina, Wild Mage deck.

>>96016247
>the entire point is, that payment of actual and phsyical real world money is involved, thus the
>>put a pricetag on it
If you want the proxies to be free, you would print your own. But you don't, so the service provides something you are unable or unwilling to do, and that's what they're getting paid for. Why be mad about that?

If you want to make this whole thing about what people should and shouldn't be able to pay money for, then you've chosen a very unfortunate time to live on planet Earth.
That RyansToys child youtuber that made more than a million dollars a year doing toy reviews is a grown-ass man and still doing toy reviews because it was so ludicrously profitable. Is that right? Is that good? That a child can be pushed into being on youtube by his parents (despite the platform having very strict rules that under 13's can't have accounts by the way) and get paid literal millions for just playing with toys?
How about Twitch streamers? Do you think it's right that people should be allowed to prey on the vulnerable and mentally ill, to develop one-way parasocial relationships with thousands of people who are so lonely they need to feel like a stranger on the internet is their friend, and then send them hundreds if not thousands of dollars individually for the streamer sitting on their ass all day and just playing videogames or talking shit?

The labor theory of value does not exist, do not try to cling to it.

>>96016315
No one has ever targeted this card in the existence of the universe outside of the shitters in your pod. Even in Delina this seems pretty mid as I have a Calamity deck and i dont think id ever slot this in

>>96015803
based

>proxy debate fags are still going on

>I don't like a conversation I'm not a part of and I desperately need validation for my dislike of it
(You)

>>96016322
AI slopper proxies should be free. They should just give you the .pngs for free.
>My labor
There was no labor.

>>96016350
>AI slopper proxies should be free. They should just give you the .pngs for free.
If you think what they do requires no effort, then why don't you do it yourself? Then you could make what you produce free
>>My labor
>There was no labor.
I'm arguing against a labor theory a value, that was pretty clear.

>>96016343
>being this desperate to shitpost for 8 straight hours about a topic not even WOTC cares this much about
Too bad we don't have mods.

>>96016364
>Too bad we don't have mods.
>>>/reddit/
I'll never know why you people keep coming to a website you don't like.

I don't even know what they're whining about anymore.

Commission your proxies from artists you like

>>96016322
>How about Twitch streamers? Do you think it's right that people should be allowed to prey on the vulnerable and mentally ill, to develop one-way parasocial relationships with thousands of people who are so lonely they need to feel like a stranger on the internet is their friend, and then send them hundreds if not thousands of dollars individually for the streamer sitting on their ass all day and just playing videogames or talking shit?
Yes because this isn't a real thing.

>>96016350
Are you actually genuinely a bot? Were you programmed to react to certain words?

>>96016259
costs 5 too much

>>96016374
I'd rather spend that five hundo on a real LED

>>96016350
They're already free, you're paying for convenience

>>96016383
I'm getting 6 proxies for $12 each, its not 5 hundo my guy.
I paid him $120 instead

>>96016393
No, you did not find an artist that does full color pieces for 12 dollars.

>>96016376
>Yes because this isn't a real thing.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>96016368
Same, as soon as I see "slop" I mentally check out.

>player complains I have too much protection
>take some out
>complain about aura enchantments
>player snidely tells me if my deck needs my commander I should just be running more protection

>>96016397
I'm happy with my comms and that's all that matters to me.
I'm waiting till they are all finished and then getting them printed out

>>96016427
Slop has become the new onions/cringe

>>96016432
>listening to some random tardo

>>96016442
>>96016435
Thanks 4chan, very cool.

>>96016435
>>96016442
cute bugs

>>96016374
Hell no, I'd rather continue to make them myself. They're exactly what I want at exactly the price they're worth: the materials it took the make them.

>>96016435
did a 4th grader make these for you?

>>96016444
He's the guy I play with.

>>96016475
Feel free to draw your own!

>everyone else runs cancer
>add cancer to my decks
>don't like playing them any more
>don't like playing in general any more
I think I'll just swap to playing solitaire decks and focus on my own board, browse xitter on other people's turns. I like the people I play with, the game just sucks ass.

>>96016506
correct

>>96015523
At least proxy a big boobs sexo transit mage. Don’t give aethershit money.

>>96016258
AI art is also a standin for actual art but let me guess ofc you're against ai art

>>96016410
Your idea 100% of streaming works this way and that is the intent of streaming to prey on people for evil reasons. Also the insinuation xstreaming is easy as fuck.
You're clearly uninformed and lack experience but will speak with great authority due to a belief that has likely never had a real test

>>96016533
Several months too late for that, but I'll proxy one anyway.

>>96016198
the irony is that you're perfectly fine to look down on people using ai slop but somehow people can't look down on proxyfags
reminder that proxyfags always seek validation, it's their only reason for ever bringing up the topic

You need to proxy cards with custom art now anyway if you want a consistent style across your EoE + Aetherdrift + My Little Pony + Walking Dead deck.

>>96016488
I probably would if it wasn't for the African theme

>>96016506
>everyone else plays busted UB and proxy slop
>upgrade my decks to have more more draw power and more finishers
>stomp the shitters
It's literally that easy.

I personally consider everything that's not Ice Age, Homelands, or Fallen Empires to be UB SLOP

>>96016582
ulgrotha is not dominaria
it's literally a universe beyond you fool

>>96016587
did I say dominaria

>>96016590
then why say ice age and fallen empires (both part of dominaria) then?
if you're gonna shitpost do it right next time, k?

>>96016553
>Your idea 100% of streaming works this way and that is the intent of streaming to prey on people for evil reasons.
Why would it need to be evil? It just is what it is.
Streamers sit on their ass all day contributing nothing of value to the world, and mentally ill people who have the time to spend 8 hours a day watching/listening to streamers inevitably feel some sort of connection to the person they're watching, because they make them laugh, or share the same view points or whatever. And then the mentally ill people throw money at the streamers because 5 seconds of being acknowledged by the streamer, and having them interact with them in some way is worth money to these people.

That is how all streaming works. I know you won't, but listen to a week of VODs from the streamer of your choice and see how long it takes you to hear a donation message along the lines of
>hey streamer, [bad thing recently happened in my life] but watching you took my mind off it and made me laugh here's [any amount of money] for all the hours of entertainment
I bet you can't even get through a full day's stream without at least 1 message like that.
These people are not mentally well. It is not normal to give a stranger on the internet money for literally nothing. It is not normal to thank someone for doing something that would be doing even if you didn't exist.

All streamers get people like this, they all understand what it is, they all take their money.

>>96016593
because those are the sets I approve of thematically

>>96016596
>got caught
>doubles down
most honest shitposter

>>96016598
cool strawman but you lost

>>96016601
i'm not the one coping that mtg is just full of UB though

What's their wincon?

>>96016574
I don't care about winning. I outright try to lose because that makes the least salt for everybody. But nobody's having fun any more. Everybody's salty about some bullshit or another every single game now. And I'm no idyllic monk either, I get salty too sometimes if I'm actually trying to win.

I wanna go back to when we'd find some cool shit and put something together out of what we had lying around. A few boxes of cowboy junction, a few boxes of final fantasy, now every turn is a tightrope where someone's going to pull 3-4 turns ahead of everyone else or at least lock one other player out of playing entirely.

>>96016628
since you sound like you're chummy with you playgroup please tell me why you guys can get along with having winners and losers with literally any other game (because a game must have a winner and a loser after all) but somehow it's mtg that makes people show their true colors

>>96014935
>these malding replies

As usual, anti-proxyfags have zero actual arguments against proxying and just need to dilate.

>>96016638
Because mtg games can last a long time if board wipes come out every other turn and if your commander gets turned into a forest before you draw your enchantment removal then it feels even longer and less fun.

>>96016640
>see? there's nothing wrong with using proxies
>please don't make fun of me for being poor!!
yet again another proxyfag seeking validation
sorry but you're just too poor to be spared a sideeye

>>96016640
People just got tired of your anti-proxy crusade. It has been 8 hours now.

>>96016640
>Respond 8 hours later
>haha look how mad THEY ARE!

>>96016627
Why does Relm look like a little boy munchkin

>>96016627
conjurer's closet, confusion in the ranks, every other standard red chaos wincon (that's a joke, they have no wincons)

Ron...my beloved

>>96016656
Hey man, he's gotta work his shift at the factory to afford that Cyc Rift I can play for free (I'm not a fag and don't play Cyc Rift though)

>>96016647
then clearly you guys need an intervention as you both want low power games but low power games naturally extend gametime

This dude is kind of insane at the right table

>>96016660
you are poor though
and if there's anything a cracker a nigger and a southeast asian pag will all agree on is that poorfags are ick

>>96016656
>join thread
>see people have been talking about the same subject for hours
>scroll up to see what instigated it
>commented on you
>(You), a literal retard: "OMG U R TEH MADZ!"

A lot of you genuinely need to fuck off to Reddit.

>>96016648
>you proxy because you're poor!

What a dumb, effeminate and total non-argument. Again, Anti-Proxyfags have no actual logical sensible counter position to proxying, so they always try to appeal to a made up samefagging consensus, shame tactics, and emotional appeals - just like women and (wo)men do.

>>96016672
Really proving "totally not me bro" while writing the exact same way and that you totally aren't mad by just sperging out exactly the same way.

>>96016672
>shame tactics, and emotional appeals - just like women and (wo)men do.
(You) are so close to the real answer and yet your small mind fails to grasp it
the answer is that buying real cards is a luxury - like buying real louis vuitton bags - and just like your hypothetical girlfriend will hate you for giving her a fake luxury bag for any reason, so too will the majority of the mtg playerbase (who are btw have higher than average income) look down on you because, well, you are poor, and being poor is absolutely umanly
I'll expect you to once again seek validation for trying to play a luxury cardboard game despite your lack of disposable income tomorrow so good night and happy 4th poorfag

>>96016671
My girlfriend likes knitting and crochet. You'd be amazed how much quality yarn costs. Plus mortgages up here (canada) are a bitch. I don't think I'm poor but I would definitely like to save money where I can.

>>96016660
>he
>referring to this post
>>96016640
:-|

>>96016688
then please put money on things that really matter and just be content with low level bracket 2 gaming using gargos the watcher or something

(You) playing proxies devalues my collection and reduces my immersion.

>>96016694
also I own hasbro stock

>>96016374
lol. I just get bootlegs. Double sleeve and nobody can tell.

>>96016694
That's your problem. not mine, now catch these titties.

Ugin and Bolas making out SLOPpy style!

>My LGS is anti-proxy due to JotC rules they abide by
Kino actually

>at least the business model of my LGS is being an actual game store and not being a cafe for nerds selling overpriced food KEK

>>96016694
>devalues my collection
good
>ruins my immersion
good

Hopefully Warp has something busted, Faldorn sisters

>>96016708
Wotc isnt even anti proxy for events anon

I'm building a Yu-Gi-Oh deck. All Vigilance and Haste so I can play my creatures in attack position and attack your life points directly.

>>96016691
>please put money on things that really matter
I do.
>just be content with low level bracket 2 gaming
Why?
Hey, maybe the budget vs non-budget guys can stop arguing long enough to chime in and offer some budget bracket 4 decks kek
Still gonna proxy wheel of fortune though. It's a fun card.

>>96016802
Bracket 4 is just low powered cedh / people that cant accept that shaurum is no longer meta
I advise against proxies not just because it signals that you're poor but also because it encourages arms races; it's a ticking bomb of escalation because nerds arent exactly known for restraint especially when you have every card available via printer

>>96016783
Include fight/bite spells so your creatures can duel other creatures
And ofc play face down cards like morph and foretell so you can be a true anime duelist

>>96016668
>creature
>combat
he sucks

>>96016824
I mostly just proxy cards if they look fun but cost like $5+

>cast two spells
>go from 3/5 to 84/86
>kill one player and deck myself out
He's so fun.

>>96016868
he cute

>>96016868
What two spells do that lmao

>>96016824
While I agree with the proxy advice, Bracket 4 is NOT low powered CEDH. Its not a good idea to treat it like that. Brackets 5 and 4 are demarcated as they are specifically because of how important that split is.

CEDH bracket 5 is explicitly fast, no holds barred games intended to end quickly with your victory, while bracket 4 is a table game, just without any guard rails or handicaps. By virtue of power level, games will be shorter, but you aren't just there to try and combo out as early as possible or create a miserable impenetrable stax pile.

A lot of really meta powerful commanders can be built for Bracket 5 or Bracket 4; the question that it basically boils down to is: you're going to trash everyone at the table, but is there at least going to be a fight first?

Please don't subject your friends and fellow players to CEDH decks when you've agreed to play 4s. You know what you've built and if you're taking CEDH up with any table that doesn't know it you're being a huge dick.

>>96016890
There was a group hug player at the table and I had a lot of cards in hand.
And yes the group hug player is the one I aimed at.

If you noticed the math doesn't check out, I also had a Wild Defiance on the field, but I don't count that since I didn't cast it that turn.

>>96016910
Inner Calm is a one hit KO in Pride of Hull Clade. It's fuckin awesome

>>96016909
>muh intent argument yet again
That's impossible to enforce anon, i can give you many ways to bypass that and all you can do in return is whine about being a bad actor, as if finding ways around rules isnt basic human nature and what mtg itself revolves around
And if people were truly honest about not wanting cedh powerlevel they would play bracket 2 or 3 instead
Bracket 4 is just a no man's land, or more accurately it's the bracket where you can pimp out your waifu commander to the gills and not be laughed at for playing badly in cedh

I played my first Clive game

>>96016868
Anyway, nothing to do with your surprises me anymore, Anon.

>>96016929
Anon, you retard. I love you and want to support you, but you have to use your fucking brain.

You HAVE to self enforce bracket 4; that's why it exists as a fucking concept. If you're not willing or not ABLE to do that, play CEDH and stop being a fag.

If you can't see the difference between a deck you mull down to fucking four cards to win turn one and something that pops off turn 4, then please for the love of fuck just play CEDH.

>>96017020
>mull down to fucking four cards to win turn one
Out of curiosity can you name a recent cedh game where this happened? I thought cedh was currently in a tymna/thrasios value meta where games are usually going turn 6 or beyond.

>>96017020
Ah so your main argument is that people in bracket 4 cant go infinite until turn 4?
That's actually fine and enforceable, i have no problem with that
Now tell me why gavin is such a fag and actually blames players for being bad actors instead of having a spine like you and lay down some damn standards?

>usea
>ron
>bootlegmage
Are they all the same shit?

Bracket 4 is not a real bracket. It's the gutter of "no restrictions on deck construction but not good enough for CEDH"

>>96017047
Pretty much yes
Thanks gavin!

>>96017026
>>96017047
I can explain it to you, but understanding it is your go.

>>96017046
Ron used to do only BL, but now he does some of his own stuff.

>>96017060
Wow anon looks like you're backtracking on your own example of popping off on turn 4, because you've (correctly) deduced that i will follow that to the letter to make my deck as consistent as possible to win turn 4
Kekw so after all that you just reveal yourself to be a casual that just wants to play with big boy toys, how disappointing!

>>96017047
Bracket 4 is just "edh before brackets" where it's a wild west of random deck powers with 0 restrictions except the banlist (you know, how it should be). People too autistic to just talk to their playgroup are why we ended up with an ineffective and trash bracket system in the first place.

>>96017047
isn't that the point of bracket 4?

>>96017077
>b4 is just edh before brackets
Cool, i'll just jam rogsi and stomp every fish i find until the bracket itself is just b5, thanks anon!

>>96017047
Honestly the best bracket. Far fewer "you're a big meanie buttface for bolting my bird" types because everyone has the normal mindset of the traditional formats.

>>96017074
Is this what passes for debate among children these days? "Please tell me what the rules are Mr. Internet; I can't possibly make any serious self-reflection on my actions."

If you don't know if you can handle the smallest amount of ambiguity and freedom you can ask your handler to take a look at your decks and let you know where you should be playing them. If you're uncertain, stick with the CEDH tables; there's little chance of you ruffling any feathers there; in fact I'm doubtful you'll impact games at all.

>>96017024
Any Rog/Si hand that reaches Ad Naus

>>96016627
something to untap it and then target the guy with second sun in his deck

>>96017100
>stop being such a bad actor!!
I told you that's all you had but you wouldnt believe me
Putting the onus on players to find out what "proper" edh gameplay is and then chastise them for "getting it wrong" is a bitchass move, at the end of the day you're just as much of a limp wristed fag as gavin is

>>96017047
sounds like the only fun bracket honestly

>>96017109
I'm not here to be the father you never had I'm here to play with my fucking shiny cardboard, so learn to act like an adult or fuck off.

>>96017101
How do they push through early win stops?

>>96017117
You're not even mature enough to accept that people can and will work around rules to win, so please stay in your basement so that you dont have to deal with the real world lmao

>>96017118
Going first and knowing only two cards in the game stop them.

>>96017077
aka real commander

The most fun is precons + a few cheap cards. That's the most fun I've had in awhile.

>>96017047
Brackets aren't a real thing and I don't know anyone outside 4chan who uses them.

>>96017136
>wotc releases brackets systems
>those that follow it generate money as the cards wotc most often prints are of bracket 2 power level
>those that cannot follow are forced to buy precons, also generating revenue
Absolute cinema wotc!

>>96017136
Precons are too random and inconsistent because of the chaff they add on purpose for easy cuts so that new players know what to replace when they buy packs buy buy buy
Most fun is budget decks. You can build them strong and you can build them consistent with no wasted cards in the list, but you'll never be able to make something overwhelming with twenty bucks and a couple basics.

>>96017124
Fine Mr. Machevelli, you win. Do whatever it takes for you to dominate the highly competitive bracket 4. We await news of your career with great interest.

Do it in another pod though. I don't think you're ready for mine.

>>96017142
>brackets arent a real thing, i mean who can even take that seriously
>btw people absolutely know what standard is and follow it and have no problems understanding rotation and all that
Lmao

>>96017155
Did you reply to the wrong post? This is nonsensical in context of mine.

>>96017155
>people absolutely know what standard is and follow it and have no problems understanding rotation and all that
This is the edh thread.

>>96017142
>I do not play the game
Weird self-report.

>>96017152
>your wins are meaningless chump!
>also please dont stomp on me every single game
Kek what really happens here is that i go to edh parties with random people that have completely different views than mine, using brackets as compromise, while you forever isolate yourself to your basement, never to play and "gather" with others like the title of the game you play
Hahahahaha

>>96015850
Nice, uh... Twenty, twenty-five dollar card there. Yup.

>>96017136
For me, precon + 15 upgrades is peak fun. I allow myself one upgrade that's in the $10-20 range but any other added cards should be each worth less than a booster tops.

>>96017164
I guess no one in my shop plays either.

>>96017167
It's like 13bux, dumbass.

>>96017157
>>96017158
>people understand what standard, modern, and vintage is
>oh we're in /edhg/ so we cant follow that
Do you guys play 60 card standard precons vs outdated legacy decks in cssual settings? How retarded are you that you cant envision that in edh? xD

>>96017166
>edh parties
Pfft. I'm sorry, my bad. I took you seriously, that's on me. Good one. You should have cracked that one out earlier, I thought you were actually a retard.

>>96017173
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>96017175
Concession accepted
>>96017176
Sorry you're a retard, cant be helped i guess

>>96017148
Post one of these strong 20 dollar decks anon

>>96017167
But /edhg/ told me the only expensive cards are Rhystic Study and Thoracle.

>>96017167
>Can't afford to buy a card that only costs as much as two big mac meals to stop a deck type he whines about nonstop

>>96016930
how did it go?

>>96016930
Hows does rings work with Clive does he just flip and then flip back?

>guy complains about board wipes slowing the game down
>running golgari landfall tokens and every one-sided board wipe printed for his theme

>>96017299
one sided board wipes don't slow the game down technically

>>96017302
They do if you play one against him, as he'll make sure you know.

>edh parties
Larping autists are so funny

>>96017299
>>96017302
>>96017304
only board wipe I think truly slows a game is when timmy chooses all on farewell thinking it's funny

>>96017308
There really are edh parties you fucking moron
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Commander_Party

>>96017308
I alway play my strong cardboard thingies at the edh meetups to play some gath. Those are the terms that we all use, right? Hehehe.
Give me a planeswalker bump with your mulligan fist, wizard.
I play this game in real life all the time and I don't just argue nonsensical points online. You can tell, right?

>>96017650
>Commander_Party
You said edh party, not commander party. Not clicking your link by the way, because the link itself blows you the fuck out already.
Kill yourself
kek

>>96017299
But what if I want to slow the game down?

>>96017669
Then /edhg/ is nonsense because the game is called commander, rendering everything here useless and stupid just like you
Bwahahhahahahhahahahahha

>>96017046
Bootleg gets the same stuff USEA and Ron do, but (he)? just curates and doesn't sell rhe slightly lower quality cards/printing mistake cards that the other two sometimes do and charges a premium for it. I'm not sure who the master printer is, I assume an official company that doesn't mind making some scratch on the side.

>>96014613 (OP)
>realised most of my selfmade decks are feast-or-famine
>don't play them in case it's famine
>don't play them in case it's feast and I just stomp everyone too easily
>too lazy to pick them back apart for scraps

>>96016259
actually sounds excellent for my Goreclaw deck, it'd make it a 5 cost

>>96016065
Genuine curiousity, why is Tatiova in russian?
I have pulled like 6 normal english Tatiovas from packs, so I can't imagine there is a shortage of her.

Are there any funky decks that can be made around Gix, Yawgmoth Predator? Got a full-art foil a few hours ago from a pack and am wanting my 10th Commander deck to be a mono-coloured one and black is my least played colour since I killed Prossh (only deck with it is my Sauron Dark Lord).

>>96014613 (OP)
>TQ
Celebrate 4th of July as the day my father’s bone marrow transplant for leukaemia worked back in 2013. Got assraped by the Vivi deck I built him after getting it at the pre-release (he likes Vivi because he looks like “a wizard Jawa from Star Wars”) then went and saw the F1 movie. It was alright.

Will final fagacy collector boxes hit 2k+ next year?

got 2 at msrp , craked one and got a surge tidus that will prob buils bc that mofo is nuts.

will prob save the other one sealed and sell it next year if prices keep rising.

>>96017703
>but what about something completely different
Keep digging that grave. Your meltdown has been hilarious so far, but keep going though.

>>96017046

tl;dr usea and ron use different printers and files. buying from bootlegmage means you get either usea or bl prints. he's a reseller.

>usea
own files and seperate printing factory
>bl (black lotus)
own files, used to use the same printing factory as ron. switched printing factory in early 2025.
>ron
own files, uses the old printing factory of bl
>bootlegmage
a reseller. he claims to buy from multiple sources and filters them for quality. that is not true. he buys from whoever has supply and sells you the same shit you get from others and he will continue to sell bad proxies while acknowledging them being wrong in discord. he also has zero preferential treatment from chinese sellers.

>>96017884
I look like and do this

>>96017820
i suspect an initial dip after all ser. chocobos are checked off, then it will keep raising because potential for the surge 7 & 14, maybe golbez will get the renown for blingers who want to have 10k cheerios deck

>>96017890
lotr collector boxes had a huge dip but it lasted for less than 6 months.

>>96017822
>all he has is "hurr durr edh isnt commander"
Bwahahhaaha this is the best shitpost /tg/ has to offer
Sad!

How many white pips will "Ugin and Nicol, Reunited" have?

>>96017650
>Participating stores receive participation promos, a game board (a 8” by 24” dry erase poster), instructions, all-new player bonuses, and/ or party aids.
why would anyone join an event to get aids
nevermind, I just remember LGBT exists

>>96017650
No there are not. You are embarrassing.

>>96018374
Yes they are. Stop being embarassing.

>>96018461
They are what? The link is for commander party, an event some WPN stores have done like twice. So no, he doesn't "go to edh parties" as its an incredibly rare event. At best he has GONE TO some cause thats the only way the language would make sense there. BUT he didnt even know these events existed and was unironically trying to get us to believe him and his buddies throw "edh parties'

>>96018477
>ctrl+f throw
>ctrl+f buddies
>only one result, yours
Weird thing to be mad about when all that's being pointed out is that brackets are designed for playing with randos you meet at events so you dont waste time arguing if tooth and nail is an acceptable casual card lmao

>>96018671
Brackets are a complete waste of time and I just rule zero shit we don't want to play against. The only people that actually try to use it are fagboats who make something retarded broken "bro it's a bracket 3 deck" and they always do it so they can 1 v 1 you in the game because they oppress the table but then say shit "bro that guy is the one running a 4 deck. Just fuck with him". Then their fagpool comes out and all the pre con kids realize they can't stop it

>>96018671
>only one result
Yes...? Nothing in my post suggests otherwise. You can state something, with the intention of getting people to think about it in a certain way, without directly stating it. You are aware of that right? Implications? Context clues? Anything like that.

>>96015477
>secret lair sloppa
kys

>>96018723
"Fagboats" existed before well before brackets.
You might be thinking brackets are supposed to stop pubstomping - anyone with a brain will tell you they're not, no system can ever stop pubstomping.
But brackets are there to at least make it official that some cards are stronger than others no matter how much you intentionally gimp your deck and that i no longer have to hear some guy make long winded arguments that his 6 card combo is slow and perfect for casual despite running every good black tutor
>>96018726
Schizos also use "context clues" and "implications", but sure more power to your excellent deduction skills i guess lol

>>96018898
>>96018898
>>96018898
>>96018898

Commander damage should be 40, not 21.
I say that as a guy with a Voltron deck that regularly plays against Oloro and Dina so I might be biased (non Voltron commanders aren't hitting 40) but I don't want my games to end out of nowhere.

>>96015631
You're allowed to use literally whatever art you want bro, it's a proxy. You going to complain about art museums just because DeviantArt exists too?

>>96016145
Rather ugly prompt. Reminds me of that ugly stacy at the end of BG3.

>>96016235
But that's ESL nonsense.

>>96016364
The funny part is HotC really does care about proxies nowadays to the point they have an official stance on them: they are literally allowed because nobody should logically care.

>>96016656
It was the 4th of July yesterday, retard.

>>96016694
I play proxies to literally fix the immersion HotC busted themselves.

>>96017136
Precons might have more objective monetary value in them nowadays but they're still all pretty shitty compared to something you'd build yourself. Precon mana bases have been making me puke for a decade and a half now.

>>96017166
My group only knows what brackets are because I offhandedly mentioned them coming out once, if they even do remember it. None of us follow it because nobody cares about or respects Wizards.

>>96017222
Rhystic Study is considered expensive now?

>>96017308
By pure definition they are less on the spectrum than you.

>>96018477
Imagine being so autistic you request a source on friends having parties.

>>96018723
Rule zero is the gayest thing in all of gaming lmao kys you huge fag

>put together my janky dwarf boros equip deck for this guy
>have to cute 15 cards
>obvious choice is shitty dwarves but that defeats the point
Kill me

>>96019900
You guys respect wotc's rules enough to care about mana costs and tapping lands for mana though

>>96019831
As much as they want to send the pinkertons at you for using proxies, wotc knows that is impossible to enforce so they just concede the point
Because unlike other forms of entertainment, you actually do own the mtg cards you buy, real or proxy

>Commander league
>Game 1
>Double struck to death
>Game 2
>Infinite damage to death
>Game 3
>INFINITE DINOSAURS TO DEATH
>FROM A DOCTOR WHO DECK!?

NIGGER