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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ:
Universes Beyond: The new Reserve List in disguise?

Im waiting for a UB Masters set where they reprint a bunch of UB stuff and the precons for the box are 4 completely different IPs all made to be played against eachother

show me your green deck

Would you play it?

>>96044893
no

They had one job and they fucked it up.

>>96044881
holy mother of bracket 1
you afraid of playing with the grown ups?

I have never played a Final Fantasy game and I thought Hope Estheim was a girl. What are some other femboy commanders I can build from Final Fantasy?

>>96044907
you will get nigs in space and be happy.

>>96044912
I will not and I will.

>>96044911
Alphinaud, he's basically the same as his twin sister Alisae, and they're even partners

>>96044893
I know commas are hard, but you're not even consistent.

>>96044909
Every bracket above 2 is a joke format

>>96044853 (OP)
>TQ

Yes, because once the contract with WOTC runs out then that set will never get a reprint thus making it reserve list

>>96044947
They CAN print UW versions of cards. But will they?

>get a handful of my guys hexproof, indestructible and feeling pretty confident about my chances
>get hit with Farewell and all my dudes get exiled regardless of that shit to where I might as well have been running 1/1 tokens
I get sometimes you get the lion and other times the lion gets you but fuck me it feels like I have absolutely no way to deal with exile faggotry in the slightest

>>96044949
Who wants UW Urza's Tricycle because Reaver Titan is out of print?

Fancy Art sells these days.

>>96044957
You can still phase them all out with a few cards or flicker them. Picrel can also be a fun reaction.

>>96044964
Spiderman will be the first full UW version of a complete UB set so we'll see.

>>96044972
That applies digitally not physically currently.

>>96044968
I'm red green white sadly, so blu's a no-go. Think it doesn't help I'm still learning all these cards, like I didn't even know flicker was a keyword until just this second

>>96044990
>I didn't even know flicker was a keyword
It's not.

mfw when I don't even get to do the thing

>>96044990
In those colors your best bet is just being able to vomit back out a board and grow back after a wipe.

If you're struggling with that, consider playing lower cost stuff or ramping more to finish games earlier or recover more readily.

>>96044998
Good. Fun is finite and I'm taking it all.

>>96044997
Oh it's just a colloquialism then? Fair enough. Guess that just enforces I'm still learning this shit.
>>96045000
Guess I just need to think things out more, I feel like I'm in a Tom and Jerry cartoon though since I just worked a bit on the deck I have to pull things from the graveyard as a 'oh shit' button to refill after a wipe, but then I got hit with a frying pan when I went up against an exile wipe

>>96044990
It's only a colloquial term like bounce. It's also not well defined since it usually means exile and return immediately, but some effects exile until end of turn.

Clever concealment, galadriel's dismissal, Gallifrey Falls//No More and Teferi's Protection are the cards for phasing out you might wanna add.

>>96044909
no one plays above bracket 2

>>96044811
how many turns in eternity?

>>96045025
Cool, that gives me something to aim for. Thanks brother

>>96044941
I feel like this was aimed at me yet I am not that guy

>>96044881
Been some changes since

>>96044945
Funny how i cant play standard if i put a single lightning bolt in my deck
But someone can put
>crop rot
>mana vault
And they somehow still claim they're casual lol

>>96045050
>mfw I see someone crop rotation for a forest
what is this game changing bullshit

>>96045050
>>96045061

You gonna answer the TQ?

>>96045061
>put a single bolt in my standard deck
>cant play standard fnm
>fuck what are these format rules they make no sense

>>96045068
Secret Lair is the new RL.

>>96045068
>>96044947
Already answered
And no they're not going to do UW

Tremors UB when?

>>96044947
Theoretically, they can release UW versions of the cards like they did for the Walking Dead but I doubt they'd do it for the entire set.

>>96044907
What game is this from?

>>96045061
>mfw I see someone demonic consultation for a land drop and then play thassa's oracle to reorder the top of their deck
Don't get why people are so salty about these tbqh famalam it's just a 2-mana scry 5 in the mid game

>>96045089
They stopped doing those. And the list spot they were put in has been discontinued entirely.

>>96045100
Yeah I agree. Game changers that are only useful in specific combos should not be game changers. Otherwise a lot of things should be.

>>96044990
white has plenty of phase out cards

>>96044998
I feel you anon. I hope next time you do. Good luck.

>>96045091
endless space 2

I'm having trouble picking my next deck to build. Help me pick anons.
>Kefka Discard because I pulled the foil Amano art.
>Choco birds and landfall
>Melek Reforged Researcher spellslinger voltron
>Something else entirely.

>>96044998
doing the new thing for the first time feels good

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96045205
Build something pre 2008.

You mean...the chaos emeralds?

How do you play against blue players where 10-20% of their decks are counter-spells without coming away infuriated?

>>96045265
Cast Vexing Shusher?

Anyone ever play a mono blue proliferate deck? I am making one of for each monocolor and only Stun counters have really caught my fancy in blue.

>>96044998
>I don't even get to do the thing
>get to
>implying its on anyone but yourself to make your deck capable of doing the thing
Come on man. Short of getting repeatedly targetted out of spite, that's on you.

>>96045274
>removing Lulu's biggest character traits

>>96045274
there's some decent blue vanishing cards I can think of. Like flesh duplicate and that whale thing.

>>96045280
If I decide to go with her I'll just get a custom proxy that restores her proper and most important character traits.

>>96045265
>Delighted Halfling
>Veil of Summer
>Autumn's Veil
>Vexing Shusher
>City of Solitude
>Dosan the Falling Leaf
>Gaea's Herald
>Allosaurus Shepherd
>Leyline of Lifeforce
>Destiny Spinner
>Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar
>Savage Summoning
>Pyroblast
>Red Elemental Blast
>Overmaster
>Grand Abolisher
>Myrel, Shield of Argive
>Rhythm of the Wild
>Price of Glory
>Dragonlord Dromoka
>Cavern of Souls
>Boseiju, Who Shelters All
>Defense Grid
>Chimil, the Inner Sun
>Conqueror's Flail

Hey anons, I have a ghidorah/illuna deck that was basically artifacts + voltron theme, but I turned it into Urza, since the mutate ability wasn’t necessarily being used more than once a game

I’m not sure if I should stick with urza, or if I should rebuild the temur deck because it’s more unique.

What are your thoughts?

>>96044909
>Playing with game changers

>>96045278
You sound gay

>guns on cards
Bad
>bullets on cards
GOOD!

>>96045325
>using brackets

>>96045341
those look a lot bigger than bullets.

>>96045351
>shooting someone with a 9mm round bad
>shooting someone with 155mm round good

>>96045341
Did you miss 40k or something?

>>96045205
Kefka but you have to include Chains of Mephistopheles to flex on poorfags

>>96045295
>>96045270

Thanks Anon

>>96045341
Looks delicious to me.

>>96045358
It's well established that UB gets a pass for depictions of firearms because Wizards bends the knee to other companies when they get to use their IPs. EoE is an in-house set where Wizards has the final say on all art. Wizards has been loudly and proudly anti-gun for a few years now and went so far as to have a cowboy set where they tried to replace guns with dumbass Halo guns. I'm simply laughing at the retardation of saying "WE DON'T TOLERATE GUNS ROUND HERE" while continually making art that evokes the imagery of using fire arms and now directly referencing the components of fire arms by depicting the production of ammunition.

>>96045358
>>96045370

40K is reserve list though

>>96045370
I honestly really don’t think they care, as long as the focal theme is magic.

I'm glad we're finally getting some new angels, even though the current ones we've seen suck for Angel tribal, but I'm glad I finally have some new support for my Norin Goes Out For Cigarettes deck. I hope we get some more support for other archetypes besides typical artifact slop.

>>96045355
a missile isn't a gun

>>96045380
>reserve list
They have the ability to infinitely reprint the 40k cards anon. They just won't universe within them

>>96045426
incorrect

>>96045426
Correct but not irrelevant. The image depicts nothing to do with missile fabrication, those are shells/rounds.

>>96045424
>Warp
>Still use normal cast restrictions
>Can't play at warp speed
Where is my enchantment that gives all warp cards flash?

>>96045440
That guy in the background must be really tiny

Why is there no version of this card that just says one damage to any target whenever a creature you control enters? I want to do enrage shit with it but most dinosaurs fucking kill themselves with its trigger. I'm blown away that this doesn't exist. All the jank red rare do nothing enchantments in the world and somehow they just haven't made this? They riff on old enchantments all the time how is this not a real card?

>>96045444
Can't you just use vedalken orrery/other cards that give spells flash to do this?

>>96044853 (OP)
>Singularity Rupture
I will salt the earth with all that salt I get when I play this card

>>96045484
Vigilante justice does it with humans. I think they design explicitly around not letting you trigger damage abilities that way on purpose.
With dinos you probably have access to naya so just run an anthem or something that lowers damage or indestructible

>>96045432
Only if they renew a contract with GW
Which they probably won't so therefore reserve list.

So what do you enjoy the most about knowing that 50% of mtg sets will be univereses beyond?

>>96045561
>if they renew a contract with GW
No, MaRo talked about this when 40k came out, it was one of the first questions answered.
They have a license to reprint those cards, with the art it has, forever. They can't print it with alternate art without GW approval, and they can print UW versions as well(though MaRo has said there's no plans to mass-Universe-Within anything anymore) whenever they want.

I just realized this guy quit, wth. He brought me back into Commander after years of not hearing about it. Does he just hate the weebification that is the latest FF set or what?

>>96045591
He made a video about it
He's tired of the way the format is moving

>>96045590
I wasn't able to find the post where mark said that? Can you post the link?

>>96045484
https://edhrec.com/tags/enrage

>>96045591
>weebification
We have 4 Kamigawa sets, anon.

>>96045591
literally who?

Post underrated commanders

Heh, funny dragon

>>96045678
Where’s his horse cock?

>TQ
Yes, obviously. That retarded response from maro on Tumblr confirms it
>>96045591
Sorry I only watch the bald frat boy and the twink so idk who this is
>>96045370
>It's well established that UB gets a pass for depictions of firearms
Unfortunately not true. Fallout basically only shows the butts of rifles and shotguns, and maybe a pistol grip here and there. Every single scene depicting someone wielding a weapon openly either has a melee weapon or an energy weapon. Seeing NCR rangers with fucking Gauss rifles triggers my autism. I wouldn't mind using "non-guns" in main sets if they actually looked like they made sense as weapons and firearms and not weird amalgamations of useless features

>>96045634
https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/769519666821464064/i-know-you-might-but-have-an-answer-but-whats
Closest I could find with a quick google, there's a specific one for 40k too but I can't be assed to dig for it.

>>96045715
screenshot for ease of view

>>96045719
Thanks

>>96045678
For me it's Caradora, love flexible commanders that sort of take a back seat to something else they enable. Really wish they actually showed off Alacria in the set but it's hardly the biggest disappointment from it.
>Yarus
Lots of good competition for cool FDC commanders recently but I do think he's the coolest still. Casting a huge Valgavoths Onslaught and immediately swinging out is so fun

Second Planeswalker revealed!

>>96045759
Would you call her an open ended good stuff commander that doesn't generate overwhelming card advantage or build itself?

>>96045719
>>96045715

He did say in a post they reserve the right to print in universe versions of ub cards, but nowhere does he say they can reprint 40k cards indefinitely.

>>96045790
>we are allowed to reprint Universes Beyond cards exactly as is

>>96045799
You left off tje second part that states within *guidelines*aka contract duration. If the contract is only good for 5 years then thay cannot reprint after thst until a new contract is signed.

>>96045370
>For a few years
They've been anti-gun ever since everyone hated Portal so for almost three decades

>>96045274
https://moxfield.com/decks/NxnhtCqZ_keU2HAlAFgnag


Plenty of other things to use

>>96045778
I'd call her a toolbox commander. you use her to grab whichever mount or vehicle you need, you can run blinks to get more value out of her, and keep her on board to keep pumping your mounts faster with counters. Simple but very fun to just beat face while grabbing something with Guardian Sunmare + she synergizes with the selesnya backup cards

>Make list online
>Order a bunch of cards for the deck
>Go through your collection to assemble the deck
>While doing so stumble across a dozen more cards that would fit really well
>Have to cut a bunch of cards anyway
Aaahh, I thought I was done with that part already!

>>96045850
>contact duration
No, it means you can't print it with different art or newly made art without their okay

>>96045956
Licensing agreements are contracts that come with durations. Indefinite licensing agreements are virtually unheard of and is usually the owner of a patented or trademarked product, think Disney fighting like hell to keep mickey mouse from being fair use.

>>96045106
>Yeah I agree. Game changers that are only useful in specific combos should not be game changers. Otherwise a lot of things should be.
>black lotus is just broken in specific situations, which happen to be decks that use mana. it's useless in vintage dredge for example so black lotus should be unbanned
>why is strip mine banned in legacy? it's only broken in land recursion and like only one or two decks do that so strip mine should be unbanned
>hell why are even cards banned in the first place? as long as you don't abuse nadu too much he's fine!
>don't ask me why cards are banned in magic in the first place ok?!

>>96045347
>hurr durr brackets suck
>only a retard cares about winning
>btw stop pubstomping me every fucking game you bastard!
if rule zero worked the way you think it does we wouldn't be talking about brackets in the first place

>>96045913
I always start by gathering as many cards as can from my collection that would go well with the deck I'm making, and then look up if there are any really good cards others have added in there that I should order online.

>>96045370
Guns are gay. Swords are the way.

>>96046148
You're not allowed to like that anymore chud

>>96046031
>if rule zero worked
The reason rule zero doesnt work is because the amount of retarded autist that play this game and cant read the room or have any meaningful social interactions. I cannot fucking understand the amount of people that I have come into contact with at an lgs that dont understand that no one wants to play against their stax or get pissy when we target them after they combo murdered the precon guy relentlessly.
Autistic people need set rules and dont fucking know how to function without them. Thats why the bracket system was made, but lo and behold it was made by non-spergs so its flexible and vague. But flexibility and vagueness is the exact opposite of what the autistic retards in this game need. So brackets dont work, Rule zero doesnt work, and you get these fucking horror stories about the game.
Worse yet, Commander is like the de facto autist game. 100 unique card deckbuilding based around a hero, leader, waifu, or dragon in a game with 20k+ card? Thats like letting one of these retards loose in a fucking lego factory. But then, they have to play with other people. Big problem there, cause they already had their rules set out in their heads beforehand and if you cross the line they get upset. But then you cant realistically make a bracket system with this many cards thats set in stone. It HAS to be flexible otherwise you'll end up with some of the new precons being considered bracket 3 just by adding shocklands and a triome.
Shit sucks.
I'm agreeing with you but also ranting that there's really no blanket answer to this problem.

>>96046013
Which is why it's the same specific art and they have a reprint-forever clause, because they were worried about being able to reprint the card.

>>96046183
>there's really no blanket answer to this problem
There is, just don't play with randoms

>>96046177
Ugly art. I prefer this one.

>>96046183
>blanket answer to this problem
Police tables better. So few people are willing to tell someone to fuck off. At my LGS we just tell shitheads to fuck off, and if they have no one to play with they stop coming.

>>96046147
Usually I look up and order a bunch of cards that should be good, but then I end up ordering more than I need. This is the second time I tried making a proper decklist first, but even then I can't escape my fate it seems.

>>96046183
there is an answer but it basically boils down to wotc (being the owners of the game and thus having the word of god) getting a spine, putting their foot down, and basically making rules in edh by fiat, just as they have done with 60 card formats.
why is standard 3 years now instead of 2? because they said so.
why does pioneer start in return to ravnica? because they said so.
why are tutors discouraged (they should just say 3 tutors for nonlands max, those fuckers) in bracket 2? because they said so.
why is it 3 GCs max in bracket 3? because they said so.
with that said, there should be a lot more GCs; aesi, purphoros, and krenko for example shouldn't be in bracket 2, we all know their power level, we know what they can do, and wotc should act accordingly
in truth rule zero is really just house rules with a retarded name, like vorthos, and i agree with you that wotc is partly to blame by making people think that rule zero was anything more than it really was. but if wotc wants a sustainable playerbase where people don't just stick to their basement (proxying ofc, bad for business) and never playing with others in the wild because all they want are either chase cards or just autistically banning things like diabolic tutor then wotc really has to bring down the law so to speak.
>>96046219
>>96046225
case in point
you can just tell the first anon just proxies and never leaves his basement and the second anon is afraid of things like diabolic tutor lol

>>96046183
>I have come into contact with at an lgs that dont understand that no one wants to play against their stax or get pissy when we target them after they combo murdered the precon guy relentlessly.

This is the kind of shit that drives me crazy which is why IN THEORY I like brackets but invariably you get guys going “oh yeah it’s a bracket 2… it’s just a slightly modified precon. Just slightly modified is all”. What that actually means is “I pulled the chaff and jammed as much good stuff and game breakers in my colors as possible in there.” Then they get buttblasted when called out on being a giant faggot

>>96046297
>Then they get buttblasted when called out on being a giant faggot
public shaming should come back in vogue
you can only suffer retards up to a point

>>96044881
Does it need to be mono green?
Im gonna be changing the deck alot soon but here's what the list has looked like for a very long time, but I actually get to play her now instead of having randoms cry after 1 game despite how much I warn them

A guy told me he liked my Rin and Seri deck with all the cat and dog alt-arts a lot and then showed up two weeks later with a full proxy deck of almost my exact deck list. I don't know whether to be insulted or flattered.

>>96046332
>Glance a list of card names and instantly know the full text box of all those cards from memory
I sometimes wonder if I could have used this headspace for memorizing another couple languages or something instead of just twenty thousand different cards rules and interactions.

>>96046222
Love mixes of gold with cool blue tones like that.
>>96046437
Personally I'm trying to mix learning piano into my autistic brain usage

>>96045243
I disagree. But either is better than the poopy 20 hp of standard

>>96045043
damn that's green

>>96045368
I love commanders that always "do the thing" even if you don't win
How good is it going to be? I think it's at least resilient with all the artifact recursion in boros
I guess I'm in for a third boros deck

>>96046666
I think it's going to be more fun than good but personally I like that

>>96045307
Go full mutate theme to confuse your table, there are too many Urza deck's out there

>>96046148
Nah fuck that if you're doing a cowboy themed setting i expect cool revolvers, mean ass shotguns and deadly rifles, energy sword things are a cop out

>>96045591
He recognizes it's all downhill from here and he's too normal/old to keep up with the autistic hamster wheel.

>>96046716
Two things from me
>Revolvers and lever actions arent "Scary assault rifles" zero reason for them to stick to their bullshit no guns policy if they wanted cowboys
>Cactus folk should have shot needles from their fingers while making finger gun motions
Whole set was just a fucking mistake and they need to fire their art directors.

>>96046148
I don't disagree but having sets full of advanced technology without guns is just as gay. Post early-renaissance settings without firearms will always look extremely stupid and unbelievable.

>>96045490
Orrey goes in every deck I build because it allows sneaky jew plays like dropping Test Of Endurance right before you start your turn

>>96046729
>they need to fire their art directors.
you all laughed at me for making 7ED art
who's laughing now?

>>96045678
She gets out of control fast, especially if you make a copy of a token doubler

I've got my first rough draft for vannifar, she honestly seems really fucking interesting the more I dig into her, is there any super spicy stuff for her aside from chest out big thing and blink stuff?
I wanna do a lot of research for her but il probably start picking up some of the stuff for her tonight
https://moxfield.com/decks/_wJZzqMjfUqbmgueEXFNhw

>>96044881
>show me your green deck
>green deck
>deck
All my decks are green, anon...

>>96046815
This but black

>>96046809
Haven't looked at your list but the really secret thing here is that you don't have to just cheat out creatures.

Flickering allows you to cheat out any permanent at all. Pic related is my favorite. I don't play her but I have Zimone who has a very similar play pattern.

Another thing to note is that if you do cheat out creatures and flip them over without blinking, they will keep any of the counters she added

>>96046837
I put in some of the big enchantments like omniscience and such but il definitely look into more non creatures that are big mana with good etbs
I was also trying to make sure I had consistent ways to cheat stuff without relying on instants, and finding proper card draw, it's still a major work in progress but I just think she's really fucking cool and I love slime girls

>What's the card that the card is causing you to do all your bullshit anon?
>You're going to have to be more specific I have several cards on the field with triggers
>The one that is doing the most bullshit.
>Tell me what you are saying is bullshit
>THE THING THAT IS MAKING YOU SO MUCH BULLSHIT
>My commander?
>Oh, I can't target a creature with this removal so pass.
Jesus.

>>96044911
>>96044932
>Alphie
My beautiful wife!
His sister is smelly and rude and disgusting. Please never speak her name in this thread again.

>>96046895
Also this was one of the big cards I kept seeing and I'm still not really getting why it's that good
Is this something you only hard play?

>>96046895
Cool card, absolutely. I imagine it's going to be a very fun deck.

>>96046930
Yeah I don't really like him for that reason. He's not good unless you hardcast him.

If you do get him off though then he works with vannifars counter ability, and also the manifest on death is pretty nice too.

But I don't think he's very good because if you cloak or manifest him he is useless

>>96046904
>he doesn't even know what part of his own goodslop pile the opponent might be referring to or is playing dumb intentionally
>opponent sounds casual or might be running an underpowered deck, unintentionally reveals information, doesn't sound like he's having a good time

>poster thinks this is an own or something

Finally cards I give a shit about

>>96046948
>person is vague
>anon asks them to clarify
>they refuse
>anon is confused
It's not that deep

>>96046984
>Free sac outlet
Fuck yes

>>96046948
Public information is actually hidden information if my opponent is far enough away. Why would I throw by accurately describing the game state?

No takesbacksies.

>>96046984
Oh that's good

>>96046904
>>You're going to have to be more specific I have several
Why would you not just walk through your pieces, discuss which ones generate which kinds of bullshit, and how they interact with each other? I make it a point to be clear with my opponents which pieces of mine are the biggest issue at any given time.

>>96047037
My opponent has eyes to see for himself. I'm not going out of my way to prevent him from making mistakes. That's basically cheating on his behalf.

What happens if a token is turned face down? Is it still a token?

Reminder that by playing with randoms you run the risk of being with a pubstomper
Do your part and equip yourself with knowledge, dont be a fucking scrub
The real world isnt a hugbox

>>96047058
What card is turning it face down?

My group doesn't allow any theft cards because they cause too many arguments

Im looking for a different kind of playstyle something that could really speed the game up kind of effects like descent into avernus or something that does the etali thing with more of a focus on abilities that do that through the deck rather then just ramping out etali and blinking him copying him kinda stuff

>>96047058
yes. Token is a game object that isn't a card.

It being facedown doesn't stop it from being a token.

>>96046984
Despite costing more, this going to play so much better than viscera seer.

>>96047078
Ixidron

>>96047122
>Ixidron
reread the card anon.

There are other ways to turn tokens face-down, but this isn't one of them.

>>96047122
>Ixidron
Anon...

>>96047052
I prefer to win honestly in an equal match, rather than because people I’m playing with haven’t seen certain cards before. What’s even the point of playing if your opponent isn’t at their best?

>>96047162
The onus is on the opponent to ask what cards do beyond "the bullshit"

>>96047162
Modern edh scrubs care more about winning than about actually playing. That's why you see anons in here trying to "optimize" their bracket 2 decks without going up into bracket 3 (they're playing bracket 3-4 decks but they have no game changers).

>going to my first LGS commander night next week
>have been playing with friends for 2+ years
>only own a bunch of bracket 2-3 decks (win without interaction on t6-7)
will I regret this?

>>96047078
Token copy of obscuring aether

>>96047196
When i first made the move from playing with friends to also playing at an lgs my decks seemed slightly underpowered in comparison but as time has gone on I realized i was just not used to playing against good players and my decks were fine once I had more experience playing.
Hopefully it's the same for you and you have good times

>>96047203
Then yeah they can turn face down, tokens can have "status" like a regular permanent.
Just couldn't think of any cards that allowed it

>>96047162
>What’s even the point of playing if your opponent isn’t at their best?
>Modern edh scrubs care more about winning than about actually playing.
You fags make this sound like a bad thing
As long as I follow the rules why shouldn't I pubstomp whoever comes my way?
No, I don't care how little you think about me playing for wins, because if you really did care you wouldn't mind me crushing you to begin with
this blatant hypocrisy is insufferable which makes me want to crush you even more, sorry not sorry

>>96047236
It’s a casual game, anon.
Just match your brackets like a normal person and stop being a waacfag sperg.

>>96047226
If you copy a face-down creature, can the token be turned face-up?

>>96047196
As long as your decks are properly constructed with minimum 10/10/10 removal/ramp/draw you'll do fine. Too many kitchen table players just run good stuff greed piles because they don't want to "waste" cards on removal or other interaction.

>>96047250
No. The face down creature is a 2/2 with no other abilities.

if you make a token copy of it, you get a face up 2/2 with no other abilities

>>96047249
who said i wasn't following brackets?
i'll crush you with teshar in bracket 2, and no, i'm not responsible for spoonfeeding you on how it works

>>96047250
no
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Face_down#Special_interactions

>>96047218
sounds reasonable, my friends have extremely varying skills
>>96047253
okay, maybe I'll slot that third board wipe in

There are two sides of the spectrum playing with randoms at locals
You get the elf ball player saying his deck his deck is budget because he's producing gaeas cradle and mana crypt and can end the game on turn 3
Then you get people who can't comprehend a deck running interaction when you kill their "the game will end if I untap" commander, or if you get rid of something like rhystic study or tithe but then they cry because your not letting them play their commander
Then you also have the timmy who runs 20 lands in a combo deck

>>96047052
No its not. Being vague about your boardstate is cheating. Trying to clear things up is not

>>96047340
>Being vague
>Asking for clarification because the opps question is vague
>You're cheating!
This is 10/10 mental retardation.

>>96047331
>You get the elf ball player saying his deck his deck is budget because he's producing gaeas cradle and mana crypt and can end the game on turn 3
i have a full proxy cedh rog/si (can't get cheaper than proxies!) ready to take out for exactly these kinds of retards

Damn, did green and blue get the only decent ones?

>>96047331
>Then you also have the timmy who runs 20 lands in a combo deck
CEDH Ral only runs 20-24 lands you dumb noob

>>96047385
and prof was so sure it wasn't leaked... lol

I miss playing with my group where I never had to explain every single card and read to the class like I'm in school and everyone just knew what stuff did or at least had an idea of what it does, it made games so much faster

>>96044911
Tifa Lockhart

>>96047389
This isn't cedh this is Timmy's eldrazi deck that missed a land drop for 6 turns and complained that he can't do anything
My cedh yuriko list has like 24 lands not including mdfcs

>>96047385
yeah. The U/G ones arent amazing, but atleast somewhat worth the squeeze.

Black one is meh, white one is meh.

Red one is just
>>96047400
utter trash. i legit do not get it.

>>96046222
Is it true Thereise got canceled forever simply for liking an Alex Jones post?

>>96047385
simic trannies win again
never forget that MLD is frowned upon in edh because it's what counters land vomit
the simic troon demands to be allowed to overextend unpunished

>>96047402
My playgroup just asks what a card does if they want to know or can't remember.

>>96047385
>Create a token that's a copy of target ... you control except it's legendary
Doesn't this kill your token instantly by the legend rules because you already control another permanent with the same name, or am I mistaken?

>>96047468
EDHbrain

>>96047385
>gaeas cradle
>tolarian academy
>just some random shit for RWB

>>96047460
>Oh no all the lands got nuked
>Anyway I'll play my land 3 lands for turn from my hand (I did draw 9 cards last turn), tap my rocks and put every land from my graveyard to the battlefield
>Tapped of course, I only play fair magic
Stop with this "MLD counters simic" bullshit

>>96047468
if the original wasnt legendary no

>>96047468
>mistaken.

Would defeat the purpose of the many clone cards that copy stuff, but makes them non-legendary.

>>96047463
I remember one game where I was staring at the blue player with untapped mana as I slowly played a sanguine bond and he slowly played a counterspell as he just stared at me without saying a word

>>96047468
Only if both are legendary, so you can but aren’t supposed to- some decks like to do it for death trigger combos, however.
>>96047452
I think the red one is meant for the Jund precon but even if I was going to build it, I don’t think I’d want to use it there.

>>96047385
The green and blue ones are winmore as fuck. Requiring 12 power before your Gaea's Cradle gets online means you already have 12 power on-board in a go wide strategy. Most of which are already turning creatures into mana dorks.

The black one is the real sleeper, just for synergy's sake. The decks that care about making a really big creature can use that big creature to put the land online and then immediately draw 12 cards.

>>96047457
yes
>>96047478
simic can only be countered by making their oppressive cards GCs

>>96047385
>target
>nonbo with Greater Auramancy
Fuck

1 Colorless
Magic, the gathered

Instant
Splittest Second
Buyback 0
Flashback 0
Cast from exile 0

Permanently exile all spells and permanents that do not use magic, exile all robots and spacecraft to the shadow zone, which is super exile.

>>96047400
I actually like this.
I don't see this as an ability you would use every turn, but sometimes being able to Grant haste to your entire board can win you the game.

>>96047385
What's the green one?

>>96047646
Cradle retread.

>>96047236
Then you don't play at that table and get kicked out. Or if you are at an event and signed up for casual, probably warned or banned eventually.

Let me inform you of how you look:

>4 player format inspired to play shit cards that aren't competitive with arbitrary rules for memes
>trying to play the social/casual format as competitive
>a 4 person free for all in a turn based format that isn't balanced in anyway
>trying to competitively play where everyone else is goofing around

you look like a bitch.

I have a stupid bitch like you where I live in Austin. Guy signs up for casual, runs cEDH and says he doesn't give a fuck, he's there to win. No one likes him and I'm pretty sure he's banned from entering casual now.

>>96047640
It’s basically just Hammer of Purphoros.

>>96047660
Yep, but it takes up a land slot instead

>>96047652
Figured it'd be something like that.

>>96046177
>>96046222
>mother of runes, but black
makes sense, since written language absolutely looks like undecipherable runes to african descendants

What would your ideal 1-drop be?

>>96047758
This pretty much exists anon

how do i accquire the skill of being the unassuming guy who never has the biggest board presence but is big enough to not be the victim of the pod and is in the perfect position to win after everybody blew their load on the big guy?

>>96047402
>print 300 cards every 2-3 months
>paragraphs of text
>random obscure cards

>>96047773
Deathtouch creatures.

>>96047758
Black vampire that gains 1 life when a vampire enters

>>96047457
>>96047544
I thought it was her lesbian wife who liked the post, and Terese failed to disavow when the purity testers showed up.

>>96047813
tell me more while avoiding fynn.

>>96047402
Based.
Real games of magic are played in silence at lightning speed. I FUCKING HATE those fags who want a verbal play-by-play.

>>96047827
I dunno, I don't play it. I just know no one wants to swing into it.

>>96047819
No, Terese liked, followed and retweeted Infowars, Jack Posobiec and Mike Cernovich. I'd post the screenshots but I'm on mobile

>>96047653
>whines about casual, "the spirit of edh"
>can't even define what "casual" is
>is it all old border? is there a house rule where you can't combo out until turn 20? can you play blood moon? are counterspells allowed?
>whines that the lack of clear guidelines gets him anally raped like the scrub he is
>"you'll never amount to anything with your wins ok?!"
>"and also fuck you for always beating us!!"
not my problem that you casual normie faggots cannot protect your safe spaces by doing the bare minimum of erecting clear guidelines
and the hilarious part is that wotc is trying to do that for you and yet all you do is reject brackets, the very system designed to protect you scrubs from as much pubstomping as possible
all you can do is ban anyone that doesn't fit into your nebulous concept of "casual" (which i'm sure involves banning diabolic tutor, because ofc you're afraid of it) and as much as you hate on cedh the biggest spergs in the world are complete retards like you lmao, you deserve every pubstomping you get

>>96047842
So she was canceled for retweets and following people? Post receipts when you can

>>96047758
Functional reprint of exploration

>>96047819
Twitter was a giant communist struggle session

>>96047457
>>96047819
she pandered to the lgbt+ community for years as a gay women then suddenly appeared on Qanon conspiracy social media, donating her mtg orginal artworks to help these channels grow.
she was a MAGA nut case of the first hour. her fanbase quickly turned on her and wotc quickly but quietly pulled the plug before they were pulled into the developing shitstorm.

>>96047856
Bear in mind I am a Terese supporter, but here you go

https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/

>>96047842
It doesn't change my stance, but thanks for the clarification anon.

>>96047874
Trump won. Seethe and cope.

>>96047882
>>96047894
>she was woke to ZOG
Absolutely ahead of her time. Leftists should apologize.

>>96047855
I defined it by being non competitive, you sound like a hallucinating AI just pulling schizo shit out.

tl;dr
it's a casual social format, if you are anti-social and play competitively, no one will like you or play with you, and you may be banned from events.

>>96047894
How is she so based bros
I always make sure to use her art whenever I can
Every single green deck I have has a Terese eternal witness

>>96047947
>still cannot define what casual means
>just whining about people playing sweaty and that wins don't matter but at the same time doesn't like being farmed for "meaningless" wins
kekw enjoy being assraped by "casual" aesi lmao

I am still the ultimate Terese appreciator

>>96047882
>>96047894
Canceled for being based XD

what even happened to terese after she got "fired" anyways? seems like she just dropped off the face of the earth

>>96047874
>Qanon conspiracy social media, donating her mtg orginal artworks to help these channels grow.
>she was a MAGA nut case of the first hour.
So she got canceled by the loving and tolerant woke left for being a wrongthinker? What happened to their tolerance and acceptance of diversity?

>>96048043
Reminder that ratfaces nudes leaked and the jannies cleaned it up here and on reddit

>>96048043
Have you ever seen her talk or take interviews? She's a great artist, but also comes off as a little bit special. As long as she's safe and has enough money I think it's better this way.
Big hate to WotC and twitter freaks for doing this to her, but I'd worry more if she was forced to stay in the spotlight after.

>>96048043
Pretty sure she still does art but not for wotc. She's sells stuff on her website

>>96048046
you know how it is with extremists. no tolerance. no matter if left or right.

I really wanted this card for my jund dragons deck but now that the price is down, I don't even think it's worth adding.

https://moxfield.com/decks/5TQkjadeZ0-4AHD2_Vq1aA

I'd either cut a dragon or fiery emancipation for it, but am not sure that's even a good idea.

>>96048043
>>96048066
>writing on the sleeve
I still am not over how pathetic and performative it all is.
So tiresome.

https://www.instagram.com/teresenielsenart/
Shes still doing stuff and selling art, seems to be doing well.

>>96048099
Big true. Totalitarians must be mercilessly belittled and mocked at every opportunity.

>>96048100
By the time you can cast that card you won't really need it. I've never found stuff like this to be worth a slot

>>96048019
Love this BtB piece

>>96046984
Yeah this is probably the best card spoiled so far, a viscera seer that also sacs artifacts and surveils instead of scry is kinda crazy

>>96048043
If there are any leftists in this thread, how do you defend this?

>>96045364
I forgot Guttural Response which is a really good option if you make funny noises and pretend to be angry when you cast it.

(From last thread)
What are some good ways in Izzet to make a lot of Treasure or Clue tokens that don't rely on cast triggers? They don't need to be as efficient as Storm-Kiln Artist, stuff like picrel is about what I'm aiming for.
I've gotten complaints about my Galazeth Prismari storm deck so I'm trying to tone it down a bit with the ceiling on how long its turns can be.

>>96045265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpWuHvMDbEo

This guy's a fag but this video is a good enough primer.

>>96045295
>>96048173
I really like that Burnout replaces itself. I think that's worth the (1) extra.

>>96048189
go on scryfall and do searches for creating treasure/clue tokens, and go through every single result. There's tons. Didn't take long at all to make my Shao Jun deck

Any interesting tech for this guy as commander?
I basically just took the edhrec page at face value and swapped out everything I didn't like.
If you ask edhrec for a cookie recipe it'll tell you to use lots of butter and sugar. I'm coming to you guys because I want that pinch of salt.

>>96048243
Fair enough anon.

>>96045265
play uncounterable stuff or cards that make other cards uncounterable
bait/force counters on other stuff
stop tapping out to windmill slam fattys
counter the counters

>>96048257
There's I think 4 cards that doubles a creatures power until EoT? 4ish. Run all of them. And then the auras that give firebreathing to dump all your treasures in

>>96045102
There doesn't need to be a list. It's codified in the rules.
>201.3c. If a card has later printings with interchangeable names, the later printings will have an interchangeable names indicator in the bottom left-hand corner referring to the original printing's three-letter set code and collector number (see rule 213.1d).

>people think Wild Ricochet is below average
>people also think Return the Favor is good
explain this to me

>>96048197
His advice is functionally useless he said the same shit about green and yeah no shit ANY deck loses to a 1v3 unless there's an enormous powergap.

>>96048379
Wild Ricochet is locked to instants/sorceries. Return the Favor is both modal and more flexible.

>>96048415
>instants/sorceries
oh, yeah, so it is. shows me for posting without reading.

>>96048486
It's fine anon. I had a bit of a similar moment trying to find cards that could redirect abilities with more than one target. Turns out it's literally just Deflecting Swat and Wyll's Reversal.

>>96047604
>not an artifact with flash

Gay non-Magic design.

>>96048415
I love this picture it makes me kek every time

>>96048019
Based. Do you have autographed cards? I hear she will autograph cards with her art for free if you mail them to her.

>>96047758

>Life Sloppa
>white 0/2
>Lifelink Vigilance
>Whenever another creature enters the battlefield gain 1 life
>Whenever you gain life put a +1/+1 counter on this creature

>Death Sloppa
>black 1/2
>Deathtouch First Strike
>Whenever another creature dies put a +1/+1 counter on this creature

>Mana Sloppa
>green 0/2
>Trample Vigilance
>tap add one of any color mana
>whenever this creature is tapped for mana put that many +1/+1 counters on it

>Protection Sloppa
>blue 0/5
>Flying
>whenever a creature is blocked by this creature put a stun counter on it
>this creature can block any number of creatures

>Quick Ass Rape Sloppa
>red 3/1
>Haste Double Strike
>Whenever this creature does combat damage, create X 0/2 Devil tokens with "Whenever this creature dies, it deals damage equal to its toughness to any target creature" where X is the amount of combat damage done to the defending player
>at the beginning of your end step, return this creature to your hand

>>96048534
I do. I don't have pics right now, at work. I'm about to send her another batch to sign once the rainy season ends.

>>96047827
>get a commander that benefits from shit dying
>fill up your deck with a bunch of death touch creatures and shit that benefits from creatures dying
>watch everyone be afraid to swing into you or even board wipe
>be content and moisturized in your lane

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/edge-of-eternities-commander-decklists

Decklists are out

Oh? So six is the limit?

>Sliver player has indestructible slivers
>Player 2 plays a board wipe that the silvers will dodge
>Ask why
>Because you're mothman and you're big too.
>Cast protection
>Player 3 plays another board wipe that the slivers dodge
>Why?
>I hate mothman
We all would have had blockers and could have kept either the sliver player or me at bay if they didn't cast board wipes too.

>>96048676
This is what Exterminatus should have been

>>96048627
>Life Sloppa
this is a four drop, probably 2WW.
>Death Sloppa
at least a 3-drop.
>Mana Sloppa
somehow the most reasonable, could cost G without the keywords depending on the set. with keywords, at least GG.
>Protection Sloppa
I was going to say ">Kraken_Hatchling.png" but there is in fact an 0/5 turtle for U. regardless. this would be pushed at 3 cmc.
>Quick Ass Rape Sloppa
RRR, also poor templating.

Conclusion: banishment to the custom card general for three years.

>>96047833
>Real games of magic are played in silence at lightning speed
tell that to the pauper players at my shop who always overextend way past 2200 (they start at 1800 and everyone only plays 3 games)

>>96048694
Why does Mill inspire so much hate?

>new fetchable dual land that will come in untapped most of the time

Jesus Christ Wizards is desperate to sell this set lmao

>>96048702
I don't know, and I wasn't even milling them for much beyond a rad counter a turn.

>>96048650
Seems like a very solid list for the jund deck, well built precon

>>96048708
Welp, buying a box now.

oh

>>96048708
>wotc is completing the battle for zendikar cycle
cool and these kinds of lands have their place but not even wotc thinks they are headliners, they sure weren't back in zendikar lol

>>96048708
>newfag doesn't know this is them finishing an already existing cycle

>>96048650
Whoa what? I thought they declared this stuff MLD? Aren't precons supposed to be bracket 2?

>>96048748
>hey we're randomly finishing this easy to come in untapped fetchland cycle randomly 10 years later in our most pushed in universe set we've released for years

Yeah I'm sure it's random coincidence felcher

>>96048650
>Korvold
>Moraug
>Oracle of Mul Daya
Surprised no Crucible or Conduit of Worlds

>>96048766
>in our most pushed in universe set we've released for years

>>96048765
the 'average' precon is a 2, not all precons are 2s

>>96048702
Only the shittiest players in Magic hate mill, especially slower mill like Mothman. I could understand some bullshit like Bruvac, but come the fuck on

>>96048694
Good, fuck mothman. The mill is nothing, I'm just annoyed when it goes from a 4/4 to a 21/21 in a single turn cycle before I've drawn any flyers.

>>96048767
I am very disappointed Crucible isn't in the precon, but if it gets a reprint it will be in the paypiggy boosters

>>96048773
Hm, I thought I read something like "we aim for all precons to be solidly bracket 2" or something to that effect

>>96045274
Tekuthal is an auto include just need ways to get his indestructible counters on other permanents

>>96048789
If greenplayer can ramp in bracket 2 then it's my god given right to mass land destruct him at bracket 2.

>>96048789
A lot of people were confused by that and they are removing that wording for that reason

>>96048800
also

>>96048765
>>96048773
this isn't jeska's will though, no one's going to think there's anything here worthy of being a GC
the problem is gavin is making things needlessly complicated with MLD, refusing to just list the MLD he hates

what happens if I mutate a face down creature? and does it matter which way it's mutated?

>>96048870
Oh god
I think if the face down creature is on top, the entire thing is face down and if it's under a creature that is face up, it's face up
I have no idea how turning a piece of the creature face up would work
Mutate makes my head hurt

>>96048888
I miss the periodic judge threads
also observed.

>>96045025
Flicker is exile then return immediately, blink is exile then return at end step

>>96048708
>have to deal with fucking space aesthetics if I want the other tango lands
uggggggggggggggh

>>96048959
>space bad
what's it like being a retard?

>>96048963
>space good
what's it like being a retard?

>>96048766
EOE isn't really pushed at all, but they're definitely putting some high-level chase cards (shocks) to try to get it to sell well

>>96048963
it's Magic the Gathering, not Space the Gathering

>>96048963
The Marvel Cinematic Universe and its consequences have been a disaster for nerd hobbies.

>>96049005
Don't blame Marvel little zoomzoom, Slop Wars walked so Marvel could run

>>96049065
>buzzword faggot is an embarrassing smug faggot

I wish there weren't many such cases in these generals. You tasteless dorks don't like SPAAAAAAACE settings because Star Wars or Star Trek, you are 100% post 2005 Science Fantasy fags that watched JJ films and Marvel garbage and thought it was the coolest thing ever.

>>96048826
>the problem is gavin is making things needlessly complicated with MLD, refusing to just list the MLD he hates
I genuinely believe we need to have specific cards marked as MLD, just like how we do with GCs, because there's a lot of cards out there that *some* people will say is MLD, and *some* won't. This is the prime example.

>>96048676
Yes. Gotta make sure Timmy's can still play their worms. Also kino art.

I will now play your dumb space set.

>>96049112
If you're replacing the lands nothing is being denied

Does anyone know why Grim Monolith is a GC but Basalt Monolith isn't?

>>96049112
>I genuinely believe we need to have specific cards marked as MLD, just like how we do with GCs
exactly
such an easy solution and yet here we have gavin waffling over definitions
yes gavin we know you're afraid of mld and there's no changing your mind - so much so that you're ok with sullying bracket 3 with rhystic study but god forbid wildfire sees play there - so just say the mld cards you hate and be done with it

>>96049112
fun with moraug

>>96049154
gm is fast mana

>>96049152
I completely agree, yet I've seen people both on here and in the two LGSs I go to that say this is 100% MLD because you're denying the mana-fixing of dual lands

>>96048708
>completing the cycle in precons
>meaning we’ll only get 3/5 of the missing ones
Fffffffuck

>>96049172
So literally it's "because it's 1 mana cheaper"?

>>96049175
>yfw the rest are in the Spider-Man precons

>>96048765
Can't wait for autists to seethe at some clueless newbie playing a bone stock precon

>>96049112
>>96049152
I think if Bloodmoon is considered MLD, this card definitely is.
>>96049188
Enjoy your daily bugle land.

>>96049152
>>96049173
btw not my problem if you don't have basics in your 4-5 color deck, no crying now
>who are we kidding ofc somebody will cry that this is basically armageddon
>see gavin this is the problem you create for being a spineless fag

>>96049154
GM is mana positive when it comes in, BM isn't.

>>96048974
>Space doesn't exist in magic
weird how they have a whole multiverse if there's no "verse"
>>96049005
>>96049065
>Marvel and Star Wars invented Space
I'm sure all of those fun old shitty popcorn movies from the 20s to 50s about The Ape from Space and suchlike were invented retroactively by George Lucas, huh? Space has been cool for the entirety of human history and the more we learn about it, the cooler it gets.

>>96049197
This is nothing like blood moon doe

>>96049188
Spiderman has no precons

Fair warning, when Spider-Man reveals start I will LARP as a new player and intentionally post bait.

>>96049214
1) You've never watched any of those space movies

2) Those space movies were always just fantasy with shiny costumes and the occasional laser gun

3) Those movies sucked

4) Space is the dullest and most uninteresting thing about the universe and the more we learn about it the more dull it gets. that's why nasa has to make up fake altered pictures of muh rainbow nebulas and mysterious black holes because in reality its all just black empty nothingness. earth is one of the most interesting things in the universe based on how rare everything about the planet it is.

space fucking sucks and only nerds with a totally warped perception of what it is think its cool

>>96049231
Why wait

>>96049215
Yeah, it's way worse for the average 3 color deck than a blood moon.
>>96049214
Do you think this set was inspired from staring into the sky with childlike wonder and curiosity, or from watching too much space fantasy capeshit?

>>96049244
Maximum impact

wake me up when we get to lorwyn

>>96047894
Cancelling her for following is so retarded. I am right win but I follow most left win politicians and speakers of my country
Fuck I hate post-truth culture. Save me Václav Havel

>>96049199
>he or she
uh oh wizards, you only put 2 pronouns in that. Are you implying that there's only 2 genders? That's homophobic and racist. Reprint it right now and put a black woman in the art before you get accused of being anti-semitic and abelist.

>>96045274
>lulu
>mono U
I'm still upset

>>96049267
No, Nonbinaries and 2Spirited folx are just exempt from the effect. They're going to reprint Crusade as a leyline but it will only benefit creatures not controlled by white males. Hasbro has already experimented with this sort of mechanic in some of their other games.

The "no MLD" rule is simply stupid. You're telling me this precon is supposed to hang at bracket 4

>>96048708
Wait this set has shocks and battlelands?

>>96049231
Why the fuck is it just Spiderman anyway? Why not a full marvel set? I'd actually pay for a cool Gambit card

>>96049317
can we come up with different acronyms for 'mass land destruction' and 'mass land denial' please

>>96049338
It's a test. Spider man is more popular than nearly all of the rest of marvel combined. If it does well, then they'll do other properties.

>>96046984
>3/2 for good measure
Damn, it didn't even need those stats.

>>96049339
I propose MLd and MLD respectively

>>96049339
why? is it offensive?

>>96049236
1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Wrong
4. Earth is the coolest but space is cool too.

You seem like a total fag anon

>>96049236
Holy shit you're mentally ill, unapologetic schizophrenia or at least a deep and pervasive depression/anger issue. How the fuck do you manage to be upset about how cool space is?

>>96048766
They're finally finishing the cylce that should've been completed over 5 years ago before this set was even conceived. I don't care that they're doing it with the space cycle, I finally have my decent budget alternative duals.
And as a bonus, they're also completing the cycling cycle which is neat.

>>96049139
why Haliya specifically? I am a huge mono-white fan and she doesnt seem to do anything great.


Warp doesnt work for a commander, and even if it did im not sure the benefits of warping her out. Just so you can recast her for 3 a later turn.

>>96049413
WHOA DUDE
I HECKING LOVE SCIENCE

>>96049236
There are more earths out in space, dummy.

>>96049356
Man if Spiderman ends up with really good artifacts I feel obligated to get for my cool dudes with cool equipment deck, it's gonna start feeling like fortnite soon enough considering all the ff7 characters I got in there

>>96049435
>doubling down on chronic anger/depression
this isn't the own you think it is

>>96049423
I have this horrible feeling that they aren’t completing shit and that these are just in there because lands deck.

>>96049435
NTA but are you retarded? I'm not even a huge space guy since there's so much stuff on earth that gets my attention more but if you're not in some kind of urban hellscape there's not a single spot in the sky like that at night

>>96049435
>anon is an urbanite bugman
Best part is he cant even larp otherwise. I live 40 minutes out of the nearest city and my night sky is lovely. Only a fag living in some downtown concrete hellscape could act like this

>>96049459
I had the same thought as well for a moment, but I'm gonna stay optimistic here. Usually they reprint the most if not all of the cycle whenever possible.

>>96049445
Think you're projecting, the only people ever interested in space are misanthropic losers. It's boring void and uninhabitable planets. The bottom of the ocean is leagues more interesting than space.
>>96049482
>Poor hick thinks he's superior for being a poor hick
I'm surprised you're even on here right now, don't you want to be early with your cousin for the opening of the new Olive Garden?

>>96049505
>projecting
>misanthropic losers
>screeching about how boring space is and anyone who likes it is bad
irony so thick I could cut it with a knife
>ocean is more interesting
See, the Ocean is definitely interesting. Why don't you lead with things that are positive like posing the idea of other interesting things instead of childishly raging and screaming that anyone who likes the other thing is wrong? You could've suggested a deep ocean themed set and I'd have been 100% on board with you, but instead you decided to act like a MASSIVE faggot.

>>96049505
>only poor people live out of the city
>no denial of the fact hes a faggot living in the heart of some degenerate metropolis
Nice cope anon but sadly thats not the case I did quite well in life :) also
>x is more interesting
Are you a child anon? Multiple things can be interesting and worth exploring

>>96049539
>>96049528
I'm sorry, I'll concede that space might seem relatively interesting if you live in flyover country. Uninhabitable planets are a marginal improvement over desolate stripmalls and dollar generals.

Soulless automatons lurk this thread and try to argue with you, always remember that.

>>96049567
I roll my eyes like 50 fucking times a day watching people fall for the stupidest bait

>>96048870
See>>96048888
Also if it turned face up everything that's face down tries to flip over if possible.

Do you guys go to the gym? I think it could help with your anger problems. I don't mean lifting super hard, just a little movement goes a long way

>be me
>look up
cityfags btfo

>>96049558
>male astronauts
>handsome, a little dorky
>female astronauts
>literal ghouls
what causes that phenomenon

>>96049604
You're talking to the most antisocial, autistic sweatlords known to man. No they don't fucking go the gym lmao

>>96049605
you should lay off the moonshine if your sky looks like this pic

>>96049606
Your homosexuality

Does cloaking a creature or manifesting dread count as a non token creature entering? I know they it it's just a 2/2 creature but I was sure if that counted as a creature entering

>>96049624
they are not tokens, so yes

>>96049624
Anon, i hate to ask you this, but are you literal AI?

>Does cloaking a creature or manifesting dread count as a non token creature entering?
>I know they it it's just a 2/2 creature

you answered your own question.

>>96049594
Can it even turn face up?
It's on a face up card and this is considered face up? I think
I thought you couldnt target the individual elements in a mutate pile

>>96049504
>reprint the most
missing tango lands:
- Orzhov
- Boros
- Izzet
- Simic
lands that could appear in the Jeskai precon:
- Boros
- Izzet
Which pretty much confirms that WotC won't finish the cycle in this set. What bugs me even more is that half of the cycle is Modern legal; whereas, the new one will be only playable in eternal formats (vintage, legacy, EDH).

>>96049631
Thank you, I had a feeling that was right but I wasn't 100% sure, I'm still tinkering with a vannifar list and I've been browsing enchantments and other shit that requires creatures entering

>>96049654
Do face down creatures have a name..? I know the tokens all have names but what about face down creatures?

>>96049665
face down creatures do not have names unless otherwise specified.

>>96049665
That was the other thing I'm curious about, how guardian project works with facedown things

>>96049675
if it has no name, how can it have the same name as something else?

>>96049686
nta but it's only obvious once you understand it. MTG has a bitchload of niche/obscure rulings that make no sense otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised if those cards didn't work the way he wanted

>>96049686
>>96049665
that's an actual ruling on Guardian Project: "A face-down creature has no name, so it can't share a name with anything. This includes other creatures with no name."
you will always draw a card off face down creatures.

>>96049621
>Your homosexuality

>>96046177
this is some minstrel show shit and I'm tired of pretending otherwise

>>96049696
I like intricate rulings, but I know magic is sometimes more open ended and even if it doesn't say it specifically things can work, I'm a judge in other games but it's been a minute since I had to think about magic rulings, in usually fast at picking things up but the name thing was bugging me

I like the evil space cultist look in this new set, all things considered, so draft might be fun to try now that final fantasy draft events are dead for now.

>>96049734
What?

>>96049606
in space, a hole is a hole

>>96049696
>>96049723
eh? i think mtg tends to be very good with its rules and how literal they are.

The only time I can think I am thrown off, is stuff with intricate layers
>enchantment removing all abilities on a creature
>EXCEPT this ability on this creature is actually a different layer, and not removed. Even though its an ability on the creature.
>teehee

>>96049558
Unlike men, women have inherent value in their attractiveness. If they were hot, they would simply marry a rich guy, a sufficiently providing simp, or start an onlyfans
Since they're ugly, they are given the men experience, and are forced to work to make something for themselves
You can observe this phenomenon on all walks of life

>>96049712
That's a 50 year old woman

>>96049740
me on the left

>>96049765
That kinda shit is why my pod is always like "yeah fuck that" and we just agree to remove *all* abilities. Bullshit layering tricks are VERY annoying

>>96049765
>>96049791
Layers take like 3 minutes to learn and it allows you to do a lot more with the game. Your friend group sounds retarded and narcissistic

>>96049798
>Creatures(29)
Not enough birds.

>>96049606
>anon hasn't seen the average female without make-up

>>96049798
fuck derevi, make him as the commander so you can run more birds

>>96049810
ngl given that layering questions always come from old cards like blood moon and wotc makes an active effort to avoid these situations i just google mtg rulings, like for example "humility + (another card in question) interaction" lol

>>96049606
How fucking brainrotted are you, that you think all women look like early-20s twitch streamers????

>>96049791
i think its important enough to know the rules to play it right.

>>96049810
Anon, id argue it takes more then 3 minutes to learn layers, and have it readily memorized.

The issue is how layers create exceptions to MTG's literal rules. Already mentioned is the example enchantment that removes all abilities from a creature. Except it actually doesn't do that, if the creature has type changing ability. Neither of these cards explain this, and in fact is probably played wrong at many kitchen tables.

>>96049860
>i think its important enough to know the rules to play it right.
We do know the rules. We do all other layer stuff correctly, but we're not gonna waste our time figuring out which abilities stay and which abilities don't when another card explicitly states "loses ALL abilities"

>>96049734
>she didn’t verify on the spot
Sis…

>>96049867
what are you doing in this situation?

>>96049886
ah a classic
this is why i never play edh without an internet connection lol

>>96049886
Not caring because my pod doesn't play this stuff so I don't give a fuck.

>>96049849
>point out the vast difference in looks between male and female astronauts
>REEEEEE HOW CAN HE CALL WOMEN UGLY? HOW DARE HE?
what causes this brainrot?

>>96049326
shocks in the main set, tangos in precons (apparently)

>>96049594
>>96048870
>728.2e If a merged permanent contains face-up and face-down components, the permanent’s status is determined by its topmost component. If a face-down permanent becomes a face-up permanent as a result of an object merging with it, other effects don’t count it as being turned
face up.
>728.2f If a merged permanent is turned face down, each face-up component that represents it is turned face down. If a face-down merged permanent is turned face up, each face-down component that represents it is turned face up.
OK so my understanding is
if you mutate over a facedown, you lose the ability to unmorph or unmanifest it because it is no longer considered a face-down permanent. this is additionally stupid because you're getting the additional textbox of a facedown, which is nothing.
if you mutate under a facedown, it retains the unmorph ability and/or ability to "flip it face up for it's mana cost if it's a creature"
according to 2f, if you somehow mutated multiple facedowns, turning it face up does so for all of them, so it now has all of their textboxes. I do not know if the mutated permanent has the morph abilities and granted unmanifest abilities (but this is irrelevant because there's no way to do this currently (except in unsets?)).

>728.2i A merged permanent is not a double-faced permanent even if it contains one or more double-faced components. If a merged permanent contains one or more transforming double-faced components (see rule 712), transforming that permanent causes each of those double-faced components to turn so that its other face is up.
>728.2j A face-up merged permanent that contains a double-faced component can’t be turned face down.
I'm gonna stop because the rules are already bent into pretzels here.

>>96049886
cast disenchant on either of those ASAP to save the table the trouble of looking it up lol

>>96049941
This card is definitely not too good to not run. I think it has homes, but it's straight up awful in most decks.

>>96049941
this post reminds of AIfags who keep insisting anyone who doesn't use AI is going to be left behind

>>96049954
this card
>>96049203
and this post

>>96044881
how about a very hateful Gxx deck?

>>96049941
Putting that card in your deck makes it actively worse

>>96048650
These new wave of precons are so optimally built for that price point it makes precons from even 4 years ago look terrible by comparison

>>96049886
Depends on the order they enter larpkun

>>96049765
One of the people in my pod was the official store judge and the only time he had trouble with a ruling was some layered effects working with banding

>>96049712
What 1994 Sierra games CD-ROM is this image from?

>>96050035
>>96050084
>Scry 2
>draw a card or opponent loses life
There is literally no downside to this card, it is pure value. The ONLY time it would be bad is if the opponent punishes you for drawing extra cards. Or are you afraid this is going to mill you out after 60 turns?

>>96049886
Whichever one came first resolves last so humility becomes a 1/1 creature and everyone else gets to play the game again.

>>96050131
>>96049558

so we're just putting good lands in precons now huh

>>96050144
it's good in decks where the graveyard is a central strategy
it's not good in enchantress, aggro, ramp, superfriends, blink, group slug...
it's not the next sol ring auto include in every deck is the point

>>96047646
>make a cycle of powerful new lands
>blue and green are slightly worse reprints of some of the best lands ever
>red: sac a land for a mid effect
>black: activate only as sorcery
>white: except it's legendary. Activate only as sorcery
lol
lmao even

>>96050144
>3 mana
>your opponent chooses
>max draw 1
>scry
>at end of turn
>doesn't combo
A strict bracket 2 card.

>>96050195
it isn't auto-include but it is generically good in pretty much every deck, unless you're playing against a mill deck in which case it still won't make a difference

>>96050075
very soulful battlecruiser, keep it up

>>96050170
let's wait until they add prismatic vista before we praise wotc of putting good lands on precons lol

>>96050144
The "downside" is you spent 3 mana on a card that just lets you scry 2 and deal a few damage once a turn. Phyrexian arena is already a pretty awful card, but your opponent having the option of saying no thanks I'll take 3~ in a format where you have 40 life makes it unplayable.
Obviously if you have a lot of high CMC cards in your deck then it changes and goes up in value a lot, but I mentioned it being alright in certain decks already. Also even in those decks your opponents are probably still going to take the first hit or two most of the time and it won't deal much damage unless you get lucky, making it still kind of slow.

>>96050198
bracket 2 edh is all about slow, telegraphed, incremental, and conditional; "activate as a sorcery" means no one's getting blindsided
>inb4 designslop schizo

>>96050233
not him, but taking a hit in late game is risky, which makes the card objectively better in this case too. not to speak of the benefits for any reanimator deck. it's not an auto-include card, but it's very good cards in a lot of decks.
phyrexian arena on the other hand is too honest for current day commander. I prefer all draw 2-3 cards over it.

Every spell should have mandatory suspend

>>96050287
yeah phyrexian arena can only meet its full potential in mono black devo, just like how you really need to use every single facet of steel hellkite to justify running it nowadays

>Op plays his commander, and pays 1, announces he's going to equip his boots to pit
>Swords it in response
>Proceeds to do nothing but pout and replay his commander every other turn as it keeps getting removed

>>96050307
are you me

>>96050236
>bracket 2 edh is all about slow
bracket 2 is just bracket 3 without the meth rocks. it's still fast enough for most decks to close on t5-6.
the only (mechanically) slow games I ever played were precons (like the dogshit UW vehicle one) and chaff or budget jank piles. decks so bad and unoptimized, you just stare in disbelief at every second card in your hand and everyone sitting at 35+ life on t6.

>>96050333
>bracket 2 is just bracket 3 without the meth rocks. it's still fast enough for most decks to close on t5-6.
lmao what kinda "bracket 2" you playing? Closing on 5-6 is closer to bracket 4 than 3.

>>96049834
I always forget this guy is a demon

>>96050333
>bracket 2 is just bracket 3 without the meth rocks. it's still fast enough for most decks to close on t5-6.
i see that you play with decks like purphoros and teshar that really can close out the game quickly but the question is, is that really what wotc wants for bracket 2? picrel
also purely in a financial sense it's in wotc's best interest to create a slower metagame as UB cards have to be thematic too which means they're more likely than not to be on the slow side, they need to have a home other than weirdo land bracket 1

>>96050333
Most decks in Bracket 2 DO NOT consistently close turn 5-6. If your "Bracket 2" deck is doing that you're lying to yourself about the power level. That's easily a 3, possibly a 4.

>>96050403
>no MLD
>no GCs
>no two card combos
>no extra turns
>few tutors
>100% bracket 2 approved
>can still close games before turn 6
Kneel

Did any of you get your $10 collector boxes?

>>96050462
Reading is fundamental.

>>96050464
>clearly says pack, not box
>it's Foundations
for what, fancy Giada?

>>96050462
I get you man and in fact i want you to abuse the rules as much as possible so that gavin can actually get off his ass from watching dr who and expand the GC list

>>96050468
Orders are arriving and it's a box, also listed in the description. Mana foils, anime arts, and fractured are more than worth it, especially at the crazy 80 cents a pack.

>>96050467
Believe it or not krenko sometimes get slow hands
Where do you draw the line for 5-7 turn kill consistency for a commander to be deemed unfit for bracket 2? 10%? 20%? 30%?
How about realizing that krenko shouldve been a GC a long time ago and that gavin is being a retard for skipping the damned thing? Or are going to be like him and admonish people for being "bad actors"? Lol

>>96050170
>enters tapped

>>96044990
White has phase out and slow flicker options.

>>96050501
Krenko folds like a wet piece of paper to even moderate levels of interaction and has been outright powercrept as the best goblin commander. If you sincerely believe he belongs in the same conversation as Kinnan and Winota you are out of your mind.

>>96050403
>JUDGE HE RAMPED! THATS BRACKET 3

>>96050497
the reason people are complaining about bracket power levels is because game changers is and will always be poorly implemented
And fast mana, thats it
turn 5 vs turn 9 is because ramp and sol ring specifically exist
someone posted that picture where it was 9 cards to win turn 1 and you would have players believe thats a bracket above its restrictions because it happened with rituals instead of lands
it was a 5 card combo

>>96050542
>S I X mana
Muxus is only better than Krenko in that he's actually fun to play

>>96050542
Teshar also folds to interaction - do you really want that as bracket 2 though?
Whether krenko or muxus is better is irrelevant - point is krenko can take over forcing everyone to run boardwipes instead of that newest winmore enchantment wotc just released - is that what you want for bracket 2?
Either way i'm fine, i just dont want any crying over "bad actors" just because krenko or muxus ran over someone's pile in bracket 2 lmao

>>96050542
Tergrid aint kinnan or winota cedh level but somehow she's on GC explain that womp womp

>>96050560
Muxus is better in 60cuck. Krenko is better in commander

>realizing more and more I have no fucking idea how to make a deck synergistic enough to really run efficiently
I got a decent idea on what I want to do, but damn is card selection rough

>>96050574
Tergrid was in all likelihood put there as a mercy to stop noobs from building it and getting bullied when nobody let them do the thing. The guy in my group that built it took it apart after three consecutive games where she just died or got stolen on repeat the instant she came out.

>>96050551
Either make a rule that you cant infinite/near infinite/i win combo before turn X, and/or just accept that sometimes someone will have the nuts and just make the commanders that consistently do that as GCs

Would welcome some feedback on what would be some cool cards to add and what would be worth cutting.

https://archidekt.com/decks/14261167/mishra_the_sundial_kid

>>96050590
>tergrid is a GC because they'll be (rightly) bullied to death by the pod
>btw aesi purphoros and krenko are fair cards and if you tell the pod to make them the archenemy you're a meanie
Ah, gavin...

>>96050611
oh you're the purphoros is a GC retard that explains a lot

>>96050615
I dont really care if purphoros is a GC or not, i just keep saying it because people cant stop whining that they get run over in bracket 2 and purphoros doesnt match gavin's own statement about what bracket 2 "should" be
Anyways i'll be back pubstomping as always lol

>>96050585
Deck synergy is all about your decks cards working together towards a concrete goal. It is looking at each card in your deck individually and thinking "does this work with what my deck is trying to do" and "if so, does it contribute to me winning?"
To be clear, there is nothing wrong with running some jank that you like, but if you want synergy, you really have to evaluate on a card by card basis as to whether or not that card is actually helping your specific game plan.

>>96050611
Tergrid drags the game out and makes everyone miserable
most people running Purphoros or Krenko just win on the spot (which also isn't in the spirit of Bracket 2 but at least most people running them as commanders are eminently aware they're too strong for bracket 2)
Aesi is just a generic value blob.

Thought about getting back into it, particularly EDH, and saw the Mothman precon. Couldn't care less about the Fallout tie in, and I'm not big on green in my UB, but I fuckin' love cryptids, especially Mothman. Figured why not try with a commander I'm a fan of.

Question is, can he be made to work as a decent commander? I'm sure the Rad gimmick isn't in any other set, but does he have to rely on that? I figured it would have to be a mill/token heavy deck.

>>96050611
>>96050623
you can't pubstomp
its in the RULES that if it wins early or wins well, you aren't playing by the RULES see this commentor >>96050403

>>96050631
Thanks for proving my point
And aesi just overwhelms the average pod with sheer power, as simic tends to do, as it also makes the pod awful by becoming completely irrelevant in the late game

>>96050632
Bro, he's one of the best Sultai commanders ever printed. The only downside to him (and I use that term loosely) is that you kind of have to choose if you want to lean more into the +1 counters as the main theme or to relegate him to being a major threat piece and finished in a mostly mill+reanimate strategy.

>>96050632
>Question is, can he be made to work as a decent commander?
No. he's complete trash. 100% no not play. Under no circumstances should you put alter of the brood or mesmeric orb in his deck.
Nvm the fact that he so powerful one of the ways the balanced his precon was not putting boots in it, so bad, never play mothman, nope.

>>96050632
He's great. Don't worry too much about the rads, he triggers off of any mill. My version of the deck is basically a UB control deck focused on protecting him and removing whatever my opponents swing at me, which sounds like the kind of deck you'd want.
Pic related as spicy tech, Mothman's ability doesn't have to target your own creatures.

>>96050639
Hey my deck only has a 5% chance of winning turn 4, is that still b2?
What about 10%? 20%?
Simic has a good winrate, but what's the cutoff to remain in b2? 28%? 35%?
Instead of having to be bean counters why not just expand the GC list so that we can spare ourselves of all this?

>>96050655
NTA, but that is a Spicy tech, thank you.

>>96050632
He's pretty good, but make sure you read his card carefully. Literally every other time I play against a mothman deck I have to tell the player that you can't just stack all of the +1/+1 counters you get from his ability onto him.

>>96050662
this shouldnt have to be explained to you
they gave you brackets and made a blog post
stop abusing others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PoNkBuEhbs

>>96050686
Wow that guy sure made some good points, i wonder what's taking gavin so long though, because god knows the average player will listen to wotc instead of some youtuber...

>>96050648
>>96050649
>>96050655
Oh cool. Ok. I was just figuring that the commanders included in precons wouldn't be that great. I have no experience with EDH.

>>96050675
Yeah at first I read it wrongly, then saw it mentions A, not X, +1/+1 onto up to X creatures.

>>96050693
All good, have fun building him. He's one of the more fun commanders in the G/U/B colour scheme.

>>96050693
Be forewarned, people will groan and whine every time they play against you because any amount of mill is too much mill, and you will likely get focused non-stop.

>>96050736
>any amount of mill is too much mill
Is that the general consensus among EDH players, or just that I'll encounter mill hate from some players?

>>96050692
its obvious that they don't respect wotc because they have people like this man having to explain it

>>96050747
Its the vast majority of randos you'll play with.

>>96050747
Nta but, unsure? I've heard online that a lot of people focus fire or reeeee at Mill, but I go to one of the larger game store in my country and haven't had anyone ever complain about it.

>>96050747
Mill just causes irrational seethe despite it being so popular (or maybe it's popular because it causes so much seethe)
Mill isnt even a good strat lol wotc is now tacking lifegain on it

>>96050762
>Mill isnt even a good strat lol
Mill isn't a good strat if you're trying to empty an opponents deck. It's a phenomenal strat if your game plan involves any kind of reanimation or recursion.

>>96050747
Some players irrationally hate mill. The broad majority will get upsetti if you mill one of their big bombs, but it's usually because the mill is targeted not because it's mill.

Shit like Krenko still is made out to be the biggest poopiest and scariest of them all, meanwhile Mono Reds entire house of cards crumbles down to nothing if you even just fart in that players general direction.

"Krenko strong" is the ultimate shitter litmus test, and you can prepare to win even with your jankiest decks against them because they obviously suck shit at threat assessment and/or run too little interaction

>>96050747
Roughly 30% of players just start seeing red when their cards go from their deck to their graveyard. You kind of just have to live with it.

>>96050771
I mill people so I can use cards to put specific cards on the bottom of people's deck for pic related

>>96050747
Even when someone doesn't start salty about mill they'll start seething as soon as they see something they wanted go to the graveyard.

>>96050752
For every guy that hates brackets there's another that likes it, point is everyone has their own opinion on what an ideal edh game should be but because no one will agree with each other wotc has the advantage because they own the game therefore they have word of god
Ofc i have my own opinions too but i'll go with wotc's direction with whatever is a GC or not just like people have always done with bannings and various standard rotations, i just call out gavin because he cant even make his own vision logically consistent lol

>>96050773
>assuming jank decks run removal
Lol
Also lmao with the diss to mono red, as if magda isnt the strongest mono color commander right now

>>96050786
I have never met a real human that thinks brackets are good. At best they're neutral to the idea or are happy certain cards are GC

>>96050809
The GC is the main selling point of brackets tho

>>96050809
naw hes right
my randos believe the system is the ten commandments handed down
just like all the rules
nothing actually matters in reality because they are quick to remind that rule 0 exists which should invalidate any claim that there is abuse of the system

>>96050815
Most people relegate game-changers to a soft ban list, or a way to complain someone isn't building their deck 'right', they don't even bring up brackets lol