Plasma Bolt Edition

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>What is EDH?
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>WotC's War Crimes
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>Previously
>>96047514

>TQ
Favorite card with "Bolt" in the name?

bolt the pupper

This set sucks.....

>land
>thoughtseize you

>>96059288
I reveal Bolt, Bolt, Bolt and Bolt and three Mountains.

>>96059288
kill me, Pete

>>96059305
Farewell, my guy. Hope you had a good one.

>>96059233 (OP)
4 kona rescue beastie
4 llanowar elves
4 stock up
4 omniscience
4 marang river regent
4 roiling dragonstorm
4 ephara's dispersal
4 defend the rider
4 dispelling exhale
4 uthros, titanic godcore
4 evendo, waking haven
16 green/blue lands

Y/N

https://www.ebay.com/itm/257009883600?_skw=final+fantasy+serialized&epid=8080235577&itmmeta=01JZSW249SG35STCK79VG4JDJW&hash=item3bd6fb99d0:g:go0AAeSw6SRobvzZ&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAABAFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1e3T4wnyzBge6JzHWxebJex0DFDlV2o9Wvgp79dPk656%2BSM%2FQxe8Q1CdRgi2x256iwsq%2FNsiVDvkGqRVaaxPOJN2HOQ5I%2BrRM2skJ7%2BMpUPtDt8WoBF3in2leI3h0V6%2Fa8Obaeh%2BV2TzE%2FUFwuij7N0AzUvsp%2BCDM5o03MgC%2BCiSPmLDDU%2FxgwQAWwo25p4v2%2BzcVziseVvDxpqDuDdz0VTMFoSvi9vvLVs773O0iVZDgPhrvghpmlRi%2FojBjFBvnp1YAv0f6WJSSUO0EX19gG1NbavnmRTUlioj%2F3t%2FHdnV1pvqDKURXaCyiZBcyem7%2Fo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8bFiLz-ZQ
serialized 69 chocobo sold for roughly 50k.

Ok I get that cracking packs isn't the best way to get valuable cards. I'm looking for fun and I want two boxes. Would you go for 2 LotR set booster boxes or 1 and a Dominaria United draft booster box? I'd lose out on some LotR rares, but would get more cards from a cool setting, since I liked the Dominaria sets from the 90s.

>>96059288
Kill me, Pete

>>96059360
>serialized 69 chocobo sold for roughly 50k.
No milly?

It's kind of surprising only 2 sales of these cards happened on ebay despite it being like a month since FF's release.

https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/630952/Magic-FINAL%20FANTASY-Traveling%20Chocobo%20Borderless%20Serial%20Numbered?xid=a90692786-68f6-440d-a59d-505c1481d39d&Language=all

Not a single sale on TCGPlayer.

>>96059288
"Kill me, Pete"

> Favorite card with "Bolt" in the name?
Why, Restraining Bolt from

tcgs should be regulated like gambling companies
fuck hasbro
fuck wotc
fuck bandai
fuck the pokemon company

>>96059360
>50k for a 15 cent piece of cardboard, plastic, and ink with virtually the same art, but a different color scheme, and a stamp printed on it
He was right you know.

>>96059428
Oy vey goyim what's next? You're going to say gacha games are gambling?

>>96059448
Not that anon but Gacha games are for retarded cucks anyway, so if they got caught in the crossfire, all the better.

>>96059233 (OP)

>>96059404
It's worth maybe 1,000 dollars. 1, 69 and 77 might be ~1500-4000ish.

These prices are not worth it. It's a novelty product, and those don't hold value.

>>96059468
I know right? Just one toddler coming across it and eating it will demonstrate how little value it has. How quickly it is destroyed. That the value of a card for a trading card game is in its utility within the game.

le flourish faec

>>96059493
>Even worse meta share than before
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>96059493
>le rat aggro is le fine ... if he black
What did jotc mean by this?

>>96059493
Im ok with this for two reasons
1.) You dont die to Dimir Midrange on turn 2-3. Its a popular deck because it covers its ass fairly well
2.) The deck dies in less than 3 weeks

Why is Occulus down in metashare

>>96059511
>Im ok with this
Hi Mark.

>>96059493
Omniscience sisters I thought we were going to shit up the meta????? What happened??

>>96059515
The nuanced deck with multiple play patterns that require some IQ that also ISNT red was basically given to you, I thought you fags wanted this?

>>96059535
>32% meta share is fine because it's the type of cancer I play
Hi, Mark.

>>96059540
>kept clamorong for red to go after 2 years
>wish gets granted
>more complaints
Cant have your cake and eat it too

>>96059562
>>more complaints
YES, YOU IDIOT.
IF IT IS SHIT.
IT WILL BE COMPLAINED ABOUT.
UNTIL IT IS NOT SHIT.

>>96059513
Its a 3cc creature card with no built in protection in a metagame with high abundance of efficient removal and disruption. It was never going to take off.

>>96059493
>Fix format
>It gets worse
QUICK, FIX IT HARDER!!!

>>96059570
This general has been complaining about omniscience for the past 3 threads. You nogs were perfectly fine until someone showed you a graph.

>>96059597
>This general has been complaining about omniscience for the past 3 threads.
Yes, right between people repeatedly stating that the format is going to devolve into a Stock Up fuelled Ux midrange slopfest.

Which appears to be happening, exactly as people predicted. Almost as if the outcome was predictable.

>>96059493
>make your design philosophy "make super powerful epic cards with no downsides and no counterplay cards because that's toxic"
>be surprised when your metagame is just the deck thats a bit better just curbstombs the rest of the field
>be surprised when after bans your terrible terrible design philosophy means nothings changed and whatever the best deck in the room is still feels like cancer
Zamn....maybe they should print more epic and cool threats that draw cards and make tokens and run away with the game if they go unanswered in uh 1 turn....that'd solve the meta this time for sure.

>>96059607
Dimir midrange does not run stock up

>>96059614
(he says, lying)

>>96059626
Standard top 32
https://www.mtgo.com/decklist/standard-challenge-32-2025-07-1012802771

No dimir midrange in this list runs stock up. The only deck that does are Vivi cauldron and Omniscience.

>>96059641
Cool story, bro.

how does the vivi cauldron deck win?

>stock up not strong enough for standard anymore
It's over Legacy bros, our format got powercrept.

>>96059648
>no counterarguments
The lists are there, if you choose to be dumb on purpose thats fine.

Why would Dimir Midrange run stock up when it already runs Kaito?

>>96059655
I'll pour one out for you. Standard is the new Vintage.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70894&f=PREM
130 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70154&f=PREM
98 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70075&f=PREM
128 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69859&f=PREM
177 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69584&f=PREM
78 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69543&f=PREM
123 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68297&f=PREM
279 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68163&f=PREM
92 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68886&f=PREM
84 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68956&f=PREM
66 players

Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96059430
>the man responsible for not only the best game ever made but also all of the best expansions for that game knows his shit about said game
no kidding, anon

>>96059656
>Why would Dimir Midrange run stock up when it already runs Kaito?
Stock Up is better than Kaito.

>>96059671
POV: You're looking for a premodern match

>>96059430
>and a stamp printed on it
IT HAS THE NUMBER ON IT THO.
IT'S LIKE THE OTHER CARDS AND IS PRINTED AT THE SAME TIME AND WITH THE SAME PRINTERS AS THE OTHER CARDS BUT IT HAS A NUMBER ON IT!!!!!

>>96059680
That was a great movie.
What does Brazil have to do with Premodern though?

https://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=PREM
why is premodern only relevant in the most irrelevant countries?

>>96059511
>The deck dies in less than 3 weeks
It only loses 6 spells and two lands. Though these will just be replaced by suitable replacements.
>Cut Down
Disfigure is still in the game and if nothing gets too big too quickly, it will be effective. Quite a bit of the aggro within the block will die to disfigure.
>Go for the throat
The new black charm, shoot the sheriff, are good options. Bitter triumph depending on the person. Nowhere to Run is a good option against a lot of aggro. Long Goodbye is decent. Feed the Cycle is equivalent if you have 3 cards in the graveyard.
>Faerie Mastermind
Can be replaced by the 4/1 space nigger or another suitable 2-mana creature for the format. Or if it goes more aggro, it'll take bob.
>Sheoldred, the Apocalypse
Usually just a sideboard card. Likely replaced by some other format relevant sideboard creature.
>Sheoldred's Edict
Can be replaced by Blot Out.

>Underground River
Replaced by Starting Town
>Darkslick shores
Replaced by Watery Grave

Dimir Aggro will likely remain in the format after rotation.

>>96059675
And yet it doesnt run it. No Dimir Midrange list runs Stock Up. Even in that infamous Standard Challenge that had 6 Dimir Midrange in Top 8, none of them have it

>>96059724
Just use Floodpits Drowner like the UW guys do. Its a dumb tempo card that stalls opposing boards well

>>96059522
duress
spell pierce
cave bat
phantom interference
SORRY WERE YOU TRYING TO COMBO

>>96059738
It already runs that. That 4/1 ward guy is definitely an option I feel

>>96059695
Because apparently it's a format popular in Brazil, and this, because of some memetic reason, makes it bad.

I don't really understand this guy, does this mean i can recast him wirh warp from exile every turn or only once?

>>96059759
Oops sorry, this guy

>>96059759
which guy

15% of card arts in EoE feature a black hole..

>>96059752
The format is popular in a lot of countries, specially in the US.
Did you see the listing on >>96059671 ? Those are all major tournaments across the world and none of them in Brazil.
In fact, the most recent one in Brazil https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71017&f=PREM only had 19 players participating.
I honestly don't really get this whole Brazilian meme around it.

evens buy 180 packs of eoe on arena
odds buy my stepson a switch 2

>>96059724
>>96059738
>>96059750
The real question is "which Spiderman card is going into Dimir Aggro?"
>>96059728
I mean, why even bother? Just draw 5 cards by attacking with the cat in play.

>>96059778
Him>>96059776

>>96059759
>>96059776
it says right there in the reminder text
>You may cast this card FROM YOUR HAND for its warp cost.
in other words, you can only warp from hand to field, it goes to exile at the next end step and it stays there until you cast it

>>96059493
Im surprised theres no Delirium here. I swear that deck is everywhere in modo and arena

>>96059796
Oh you're right I'm retarded.
Might still be worth a slot in my dragon commander pile just for dragon entry procs

>>96059804
It's included in "gruul aggro"

>>96059336
going infinite with marangs + omni lets you station every spacecraft and planet!
unfortunately this accomplishes absolutely nothing

Using only marangs as a wincon means you're vulnerable to can't be countered spells, cavern of souls + etb creatures, inevitable defeat, creatures with ward/hexproof. Not sheltered by ghosts since you can just bounce it first, but other ward creatures.
These decks are going to feel REALLY annoying once arcavios rotates because it only ate up 1 slot but streamlined the wincon into a few seconds

Good boardwipe?

>>96059671
I AM HOME

>>96059879
ZOMG is that ANOTHER black hole?!?!?!?!?

This is epic!

>>96059879
no god fucking no
you know when you want to cast a board wipe? when you're against aggro
you know when you want to FIREBALL YOURSELF?

This is like the opposite of how Blood on the Snow and Black Sun's Twilight could lock down a board with a creature like Dowser. Instead you're nuking your own face every time you do it.

>>96059891
Based tog poster!

>>96059879
Fortnite reference!!

>>96059879
It's decent. It's a shame they just won't make a damnation reprint.

>>96059879
It's got potential if Screaming Nemesis effects become really popular (or if WotC doesn't stop printing them on cards) and is also nice as a sidegrade to Nowhere to Run, but it'll probably just function as a mediocre spell to hose tokens with a lategame option.

>Faggots killed aggro
>Dimir shit takes it place
Are you satisfied now, crybabies? Now you have matches of 30 mins getting your shit killed and harrased sexually by Kaito, are you entertained now?

>>96059855
>>96059336
also what are the most relevant cards you can actually loop to win the game beyond just clearing their board and dumping marangs that could die to a mistveil + day of judgment
in blue green its a bit narrower if you don't want something dead in hand without omni

no arcavios no founding the third path
anything with etb damage or etb life loss goes infinite but that's red/black, like corroding dragonstorm. Or just corpses of the lost tokens, legion extruder,
no real etb mill left in blue, no jace, big mill pieces cost mana to activate
something truly retarded could work like eriette's apple, which steals all your opponents creatures and gives all your creatures haste


I don't get it guys, what would an omni combo deck use to speed up a win so it doesn't have to spend 5 minutes clicking through a deck to load its hand and pass the turn with counterspells up and then still risk something going wrong

>>96059963
>Are you satisfied now, crybabies?
No. WotC proving they fucked up so hard that scraping off just one layer of the shit parfait isn't enough to fix things only means they have to go back and shovel more shit.

Universal counter spells shouldn't exist, they're bad anti-fun game design.

Interaction and counterplay shouldn't exist, they're bad anti-fun game design.

i play forest, tap it for llanowar elves and pass the turn

>>96059969
Also I'm looking if you go into cards dead in hand

Chandra Flameshaper goes infinite with just 1x marang and ends the game in just a few clicks since each hasty marang token is another 6 damage
Vulnerable to Get Lost or Bitter Triumph though, so you'd want a counterspell ready

Honestly looks like the best one I can find, but makes it a 59/60 card deck

>>96059963
>30 minutes.
Dimir kills you by turn 5-6. Youre thinking of Mono White tokens control that has 6 boardwipes

>>96060016
I know this line anon.
I play a mountain and bolt the elf

>>96060039
Fucking hate that piece of shit textbook Fake White deck giving White a bad name and tricking people into thinking Nosewater would genuinely allow White to ever be good.

>>96060090
I know right? Black gets to have it's mono-black but white has to run artifacts?

>>96059963
Good riddance. Aggro was out of control. Now if only we'd get counterspell, swords to plowshares, fatal push, and other efficient removal/counter so that we can actually have a fun game where aggro loses 75% of matches.

>>96060039
>40 minutes matches
Finally. MTG is good again.

>>96060370
Here's your Sword to Plowshares bwo

>>96060400
>3 fucking mana
>Destroy in the age of Exile being the only viable removal.
I'm shocked it's an Instant and not a Sorcery.

is there a single (1) (one) (uno) playable lander card

>>96060469
They are meant to be limited glue so probably not.

>>96060469
you, landing on my cock

>>96060400
why does nosewater hate white so much?

>>96060545
Black spells be like
>B, Instant: Destroy target creature. Draw two cards and create two Treasure tokens.

White spells be like
>4W, Sorcery
>~ costs 2 more to cast if it targets a creature.
>Destroy target creature or enchantment.

>>96060545

>>96060579
>black: gavin
Makes sense

>>96059493
why is black still so popular when white has 2 of the best removal spells in the game along with a mountain of board wipes?

>>96060545
it all started back in 1917 with this thing called the balfour declaration...

>>96060620
okay, we get it anon. you're antisemitic.

>>96060545
Because it's a consistently strong color in every format but he never bans its cards, proving that he hates it.
Wait...

>>96060611
Black has selective discard and access to Kaito. Notice UB Midrange and UW Bunnicorn/Convoke/Flash both more or less have the same gameplan, but UB can peek at your hand while snowballing with Kaito. Sheltered by Ghosts simply isnt enough

I don't know why badd magic players get so assblasted about Aggro being bad.

>>96060623
shalom moshe

>>96060642
>kaito
https://scryfall.com/search?q=f%3As+t%3Aplaneswalker
i honestly forgot how few playable planeswalkers there really are in standard. it's basically just the 5cmc elspeth and kaito lol

>>96059288
Kill me, Pete

>>96059305
>>96059392
>>96059405
>>96060673
Samefag.

>>96060628
Abuelo's awakening was only banned as a scapegoat. Nosewater wanted an omniscience deck in the format so he didn't ban the real problem, omniscience. Instead he just banned Awakening because he hates white when Omnisicence was the real problem and awakening was not a problem for the more than a year in the format.

>>96060726
And it doesn't count anyway because it's a fake white card.

>>96060726
>>96060750
You psyop kikes need a new gimmick. If white was SO strong like you lying kikes lie about so much, then the majority of cards banned would be white and for non combo reasons. But all I saw was top8’s of cutter and mono red and blue Omni kikery. Thanks again for proving my point shylocks
Free Palestine

>>96060602
Funny how the narrative went from "BLACK CANT REMOVE ENCHANTMENTS" to "BLACK CAN REMOVE ENCHANTMENTS, BUT NOT THEIR OWN" to "BLACK HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO REMOVE ENCHANTMENTS AND IT IS THEIR COLOR PIE IDENTITY"

>>96060664
Kaito is what really makes UB midrange tick because what do you mean he's a 3 power beater who can recycle floodpits drowner and spyglass siren that selects+draws you cards and gets rid of blockers??? Without him, people would just gravitate to either UW or BW nu-Pixie

>>96060803
>Free Palestine
OY VEY ITS ANOTHER SHOAH

>>96060809
>Funny how the narrative went from "BLACK CANT REMOVE ENCHANTMENTS" to "BLACK CAN REMOVE ENCHANTMENTS, BUT NOT THEIR OWN" to "BLACK HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO REMOVE ENCHANTMENTS AND IT IS THEIR COLOR PIE IDENTITY"
I was calling this shit out everywhere when the first black enchantment removal was revealed. I was met by gaslighting dickriders back then, and continue to be met by them now.

>>96060803
>whiteschizo is brown and arab
Holy fuck lmao

>>96060842
>jidf reply
kek

can you use [[disallow]] to counter bojuka bog's etb? since it is a triggered ability and all

Hey guys, blueschizo here. Just pointing out that blue's still getting unplayable dogshit "removal" because of EDH players finding counterspells mean.
This one's an answer to Beanstalk control that costs too much to actually slow down Beanstalk control in any way because it, comically enough, costs more than the cards it's removing.

>>96060831
>“We hear you about how White has been weak lately, so here’s a handful of shitty flash creatures that won’t see play”
>”Also we’re going to abandon that idea a year later to push Sun Titan as a mechanic on every rarity in white that STILL won’t see play”
>”Oh yeah and blue gets to steal Vigilance because of this 30 year old card but White doesn’t get Trample from their 30 year old cards because we’re hypocrite kikes”

>>96060871
>counter spell on the stack before it can even etb
>blue removal is so bad!!!1!1!

>>96060852
>doesn't deny it
HOLY FUCK LMAO
I denounce the talmud btw mehmet, enjoy your brown cope, you can still be the whitest swarthoid at your mosque

>>96060871
Now here's a schizo who knows what he's talking about!

>>96060885
>Pay 3 mana to stop card that cost 2 mana
Clearly you have yet to understand my blueschizo mindset

>>96060831
I genuinely don't know how this is only just now upsetting you. White's identity has been eviscerated forever ever since green started doing tokens and lifegain and rewarding wide boards

>>96060896
>I genuinely don't know how this is only just now upsetting you.
YOU ARE REPLYING TO A POST WHERE THE FIRST SENTENCE OF SAID POST IS EXPLICITLY STATING THAT THE OPPOSITION TO IT HAS PERSISTED SINCE ITS INCEPTION

>>96060889
Why would I deny things you're accusing someone else of?

>>96060842
magic the gathering?

>>96060871
3 mana counterspells have nothing to do with EDH, it's been normal since before it really took off and that format has mana drain and free counters if you control a coomander.
>>96060896
Because it's just such a clear line in the sand that explicitly defined black, that they arbitrarily axed and pretend never existed because of retards playing a nonfunctional format that arbitrarily restricts what colors you can play and where typical black interaction is unplayably bad.

>>96060896
>since green started doing tokens and lifegain
...... alpha?

>wide boards
.... Tempest?

>>96060889

>>96060926
>Artifacts, enchantments, and especially creatures powercreep to the point a 1-drop needs to be answered quickly or you lose
>Blue still needs to pay 3 mana, with a stricter timing window, to remove anything though because Counterspell was too mean :(

>>96060946
But he said he denounces the Talmud. Jews aren't allowed to lie about that stuff. Oh wait lmao

>>96060962
Be honest, how many layers of falseflag are you operating on at this point, kike?

>>96060961
I'm not saying it's good, just that it doesn't really have to do with edh.

>>96060400
I have no idea why this is 3 mana when Get Lost exists and only gives the opponent shitty map tokens.

>>96061007
It hits artifact in an artifact set and map tokens are just more flexible for most decks since they only require 1 mana.

white got a 3cmc sorcery that brings back 3 3cmc or less creatures from the graveyard to the battlefield
white weenie bros we're so back

>>96060896
And yet White is playable while Green is an absolute laughingstock

>>96061024
>that brings back 3 3cmc or less creatures
it brings back up to 3 mana worth of creatures, that means three 1s, one 2 and two 1s or a single 3

>>96060978
>if I call other people kikes it will disguise myself
kek

>>96061051
>and two 1s
and one 1* my bad

>>96061051
it's shit

>>96060917
>>96060946
>>96060962
We know why you wouldn't, since it's true, mehmet. Please engage in more taqiyya.

>>96061095
>he's still babbling
Don't you have some foreskins to chew on?

>>96059506
hurting yourself is in fact a downside

>>96061160
What if he had an ability that transformed himself into a 4/4 lifelinker

plasma bolt is so bad that it's insulting, i'd rather have 0 modern burn support cards like usual than this unplayable shit

>>96059926
Combos with blightsteel collosus.

Why we have so many Colour schizos in this threads? Only Green fags have right to complain about this game you animals

>>96061254
>Only Green fags have right to complain about this game you animals
Found the Greenfag.

>>96061254
>>96061260
>greenchads
>complaining
Green is based and playable even when it's the worst.

I don't mind dimir midrange. My meme deck (raise the past) has a perfectly fine match up against it and that's all that matters

MTG has not been on twitter since chuds took over kek they are only on bluesky where they cant get trolled

HOLY SHIT
They brought back Call of the Death-Dweller
I fucking loved that card
maybe sacrifice decks will finally be viable

>>96061254
choosing 1 colour to obsess over like it's a sports team is the scrubbiest mentality you can have in Magic
it's like what schoolkids do when they start playing
lol I remember back in the day I had a friend who loved green and would only play green. I'd always try to sit next to him at draft night and pass him green cards knowing that all the other colours would be open from that direction

heliod + ballista

>>96060545
It is in his nature.

>>96061254
They're all larping except for Whiteschizo, who, as an arab (semitic descent) is genuinely more prone to schizophrenia and delusions of persecution. Very sad!

>>96059879
>osteoharmonist
How does playing music on bones equate to black holes?

Wouldn't ballista die from state based actions before the counter went on it
even if it didn't, you'd need a second +1/+1 counter (paying 4 mana I guess) and to give it life link (so another 2 mana)

>>96061472
>Wouldn't ballista die from state based actions before the counter went on it
No TBAs aren't checked during spell resolution.

>>96061414
huh I was excited just from reading the text spoiler. but they did well on the art + flavour too.
one of the best designs of the set so far.

i hate vehicle sets so much it feels so goddamn gimmicky

>>96061460
It's a quote. Why does it matter who says it?

I pulled two copies of Sephiroth, any decent Standard deck I can build with them?

i play island and pass the turn.

>>96061608
I play Meticulous Archive and surveil one. I put a Plains in the graveyard and pass the turn.

>elves gone
>60 card d&t gone
>aluren gone
>food chain gone
legacy fucking SUCKS

>>96061600
Which one? There are 4 different Sephiroths

>>96061640
i play wasteland, tap it and sacrifice it to destroy your meticulous archive and pass the turn.

>>96061650
Mono black, the only one that is playable.

>>96059233 (OP)
>sorcery
Why isn't cheap red any target damage allowed to be good

>>96061414
>scout for survivors
>get cards back from the graveyard
Talk about a flavor fail

>>96061648
I really wish my LGS playgroup would mutually agree to cut off Legacy at Ravnica Allegiance, the set before War of the Spark. But I'm relatively new and wouldn't be able to suggest the idea, especially given the amount of money people have poured into FIRE cards, or decks that only function because of them. There's not really a home for cards from around LRW-RTR blocks, and in the words of an anon here a format is balanced not when the top 10 decks are even in winrates, but when the bottom 100 decks have a reasonable chance of winning.

>>96061723
What's a reasonable chance of winning to you?

>>96061734
I can't put a number on something like that. The idea is that one should be able to reasonably brew without having to lean on FIRE cards and for tier 3 decks to be able to win an event if the stars align through favorable matchups, skilled play and a bit of luck. As it stands the best decks are so generically powerful with no or only minor bad matchups that there's no reason to play anything else. In a nutshell, I'd like to register a brew or low tier deck using now power crept cards without feeling like I'm throwing away my entry fee.

>>96061648
What you dont want to play """"""""" Cradle Control"""""""""""?

>>96061600
Wait for this nigga

>>96061825
I get where you're coming from but how do you prevent a deck from gatekeeping the low tier decks? Lots of brews just fold to basic decks like aggro even if they're otherwise good.

I've never seen a game with lots of options available and a very diverse meta because at a certain point some of those options will combine and be much more powerful than other choices.

>>96061648
cradle control or nadu elves or GW depths if you want green creature decks
80 card D&T is good, you can play 60 it's just worse
alluren is actually gone true
food chain is sleeper viable, you just have to figure out how to build it, there isn't a solved list (crucible works on it occasionally)

>>96061825
you can brew if you have a local metagame to prepare for and are competent at deckbuilding
imagine if your locals were all UB Reanimator and Oops boogeymen; could come up with 100 different shitbrews that work if you find a way to maindeck graveyard hate profitably.

>>96059672
we don't talk about Artifact tho

what about keyforge

>>96062102
We don't talk about Keyfo-
Actually okay that one was pretty good.

>>96062055
It TRAPPED and BETRAYED the fanbase!

>>96061996
Yeah but I don't want to play with or against FIRE cards, which is what I was talking about in >>96061723. I play Oops myself and it's my favourite deck but I loathe playing against UB Tempo or UB Reanimator with any deck. The cards are all boring and the creatures are all generically powerful and usually scaling threats. I believe that Daze was balanced when the best thing it was backing was a Young Pyromancer or Delver of Secrets; now it's backing cards like DRC, Psychic Frog, Nethergoyf, Barrowgoyf etc.

Alot of people talk about Legacy having a golden era around the time SCG was heavily invested in it, around 2012-2016 or maybe later. Yet, noone seems to have an interest in reliving that era. I assume all the players from then are gone thus there's noone to nostalgia over it.

>Think of a terrible idea, Station
>Realize it sucks
>Rather than scrap it, design Warp to support it limited so it is anything other than unplayable last pick garbage
>Later, notice that Warp is really good at stationing Spacecraft
>Adjust Station values so the format doesn't crumble under infinite free value and tempo.
>Back to square 1 with Station being unplayable garbage.

These people are incompetent idiots.

Would station really be too strong if you could do it at instant speed?

>>96062296
No.

Are the really still people that care about standard in thr current year?

>>96062338
Most played real magic format

>>96061414
>heliod + ballista
Ay lmao. Pretty cool card in other uses too

shadowchads are laughing at us bros
how will our ai generated overweight black xomen recover

I'm still hoping we get an actual payoff for these Lander tokens outside of that larval ship. There's no way they think people are going to sac these tokens outside of limited and commander.

>>96062370
They were high when they made this lander mechanic
get it

Inkmoth Nexus reprint.

>>96062450
is Modern Scales still playable?

The Dominion Bracelet is confirmed to be reference to the Infinity Gauntlet.

Famished Worldsire got a wincon

>>96062531
if this was 1cc it would be so funny as a sideboard card to grab off Saga for Dark Depths and Phyrexian Dreadnought

An Ai is bad with hands reference.

>>96062548
nope, NGE reference

>>96062548
The made an anti-crime card for commander.

>>96062370
what format matters outside of limited and commander?

>>96062370
anytghin with Affinity for Artifacts

>>96062244
>>96062556
MtG is unironically sci-fi now?

Red/White tango and bicycle lands.

>>96062537
>>96062585
>Second rare insect (other one was leaked) that costs 4 mana
>Every rare insect, and almost every insect, in the set so far has cost an even amount of mana
>Only one 1-mana insect and only one uncommon 3-mana insect (it’s shit) in standard after rotation
>Even Kavs, what little we’ve seen of them, have a better mana curve
Are they intentionally trying to leave a hole in the insect curve, or is this just a really weird coincidence?

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/edge-of-eternities-design-allusions-vs-tropes
EOE has less references because of Universe Beyond. They realized it would be a waste to reference Anakin Skywalker when they might later have to make an actual card.

>>96062610
If you think Insects have it bad... Just look at Robots, anon.

>>96062592
art is more impressive than its gameplay text. Haha

>>96062641
this has gotten so old and worn out

>>96062623
Robots don't seem too bad, just unimpressive. Virulent Silencer is an interesting wincon, even if I personally hate poison. While the robots themselves are fairly mediocre, they do possess various evasive combat keywords that prevent or disincentive your opponent from blocking them. We've only seen a couple rares too, so hopefully future rares will do more than just getting as big as your biggest artifact.

Hexproof.

>>96062671
>(4)
>Flying
>Hexproof
A new era of "To Build a Bogle"

>>96061715
Because muh limited balance which is why you only ever get shock or sorcery shock with marginal upside every set

>>96062537
More support for the meme Tifa otk I guess

>>96062671
I hate this playing a slop manabase matters theme. Field of the dead has proven that it's a trivial hoop to jump through and we need more nonbasic hate if they're going to make this kind of stuff.

are white bordered cards looked down in pauper?
like I can buy these FBB Llanowar Elves for $3 each, or just take the foreign white bordered ones (5th/6th/7th) from the bulk bin

slightly amazed between reveals and leaks and we still have not seen a single Mythic Red

>>96062808
Why would you care if they're looked down?
In any case, I like having white bordered lands if I'm running plenty of ways to fetch to make them easier to find

>>96062819

>>96062840
nope, look at the number
EOE. 0255.
Thats part of the LANDS

Red cards are about in-betweem
130-165

>>96062262

I have nostalgia over that time in Legacy. It was great for the most part. Idk but I always see people yearn for that meta back. UB reanimator/temp is absolute aids to play. I'd rather play vs Opps multiple times than play UB once. "LOL after forcing your thought size I petty theft your LoTV on your end step, entombed + reanimate on my main :^)"

>>96062262

Daze has to go or they have to ban 3-4 more UB cards like OBM, Phyrexian Bitch, Archon, and Borrower.

>>96062840
That's colorless

>>96059776
How is this a are it's so bad

>>96061653
I play a swamp. I cast dark ritual, dark ritual, and dark deal. Exile simian spirit guide. I cast wheel of fortune and reveal seven chancelor of the dross from my hand to deal you 21 life loss
Next game?

>>96063009
JUUUUUUUDGE

>>96063009
I force of negation your simian spirit guide pitching ancestral recall

>>96063059
I reveal my commander, pact of negation, add it to hand and activate its effect

Modern FNM didn't fire due a lack of people.
They gave me and the other guy who showed up a few free tickets for singles then had us play a game for a couple more.
I killed him turn 2 on the play and split the tickets and got some cool cards from the singles bins.

>>96062671
will be fun to get a couple of these in draft and try to play some garbage 5-colour deck

>>96063127
no it won't

>>96062840
Was this unused 40k art? I'm not entierly clear of the details of cadias fall

>>96062531
The article revealing it was pretty explicit that it was a reference to the Lensman series of novels.

This opening hand, coming soon to standard.

>>96061414
but ballista will just die because it has 0/0

>>96062592
Wait, they're completing the tango land cycle in Commander but not Standard?

>>96063309
Shouldn't the spell finish resolving and put a +1/+1 counter on it first?

quick draft is the biggest joke I've ever played

>>96063330
I have no idea. But I thought the phrasing usually is "Enter the battlefield with", in that scenario.

UNBAN pic related
UNBAN Ballista
UNBAN Kethis
Shake up this Red summer meta in Pioneer faggots...

>>96063291
Is shit.

>>96063382
do you have a cut down / torch the tower / burst lightning and untapped mana source on turn 1?
otherwise you lose

>pioqueer
>Premodern
Which one is more 4chan brained?

>>96063436
Memedern.

this set is so ass i will waste 0 and i mean 0 resources in it. can't understand who thought station or horrible spacecrafts were acceptable.

>>96063457
Nobody here plays memedern.
Yet I only see premodern and pioqueer "discussed" here (read, shilled).

>>96063467
no, you will get a full playset of 2 mana trespasser with menace instead of lifegain and gy hate

>>96063291
You can already kill people on turn 2 with scamp leyline.

>>96062671
This is some kind of agatha's cauldron bait card.

>>96062363
The more cardgames I play the more play patterns stay the same

>>96062363
>no cool monsters
it's trash

How do I get good at monoblue

>>96062363
sad gacha crap
I actually liked the first one for a while but they somehow made the sequel worse

"Cut the Fuel Line" {2}{R}

"Instant"

"Target creature deals damage to itself equal to its power. If that creature has flying, it deals twice that much damage instead."

>>96063467
how much time will you waste crying about it on social media?

>>96063469
I play it. I run Kiln Fiend and scrub out.

>>96063853
red murder but who cares we already have it for 2 mana at sorcery speed with twinmaw

>>96063885
>>96063853
so the "Green Murder" Probably is real too.

>>96063893
1WW: target creature gains lifelink until end of turn and deals damage to itself equal to its toughness.
1UU: put target creature on the bottom of its owner's library

Anyone know any Arena bots that do nothing but run the rope?

>>96064080
your mom

>>96064080
I do that

Cute use of Warp.

Interesting aura. Probably not good, but interesting.

>>96064107
I'm serious. I want a fleet of bots that an arena fag gets matched against and then automatically runs the timer every turn to waste as much time as possible.

And this fucking thing.

>>96064128
>003
Welp, that means only 2 Colorless are Tezzeret and Vestige

>>96064135
>>96064163
All these have been leaked months ago.

>>96063853
cool draft removal i guess

>>96064186
I had a feeling vestige would be the only eldrazi in the set

>>96064197
I don't really care.

>>96064128
Interesting?
>>96064135
Trash
>>96064163
Boring

>>96064163
kinda bad hydroid kraxis
how long has it been since they actually printed a good UG payoff?

I really hope the green instant bite was fake

set's wack af huh
we're just going to rotate legacy?
limited should be wild anyway

>>96064128
Probably accidental, but this is the best designed card (mechanically) so far. I didn't think WotC had it in them.

Also the standard "1 mana gain life, do set mechanic" thing.

>>96064316
This matters is for the Lander Token so on T3 you can use Larval Scoutlander and fetch 2 Lands

>>96064128
Warp that warps other warps.

>>96064316
Turn 2 ramp in std.

>>96064128
Making the exile and leave one ability is bad design. It should always be possible to sac these things before resolve to get around the return.

>>96064382
we already have green turn 2 ramp in standard
we already have green turn 1 ramp in standard
we already have colorless turn 2 ramp in standard

>>96064387
They specifically changed that so it doesn't work that way because they don't want the O-Ring 'trick' to exist.

>>96064388
where is your T3 Fetch 3 lands in standard??

>>96064316
As a limited player I like it, cheap ramp is usually solid especially in a "lands matter" set like this and Landers are also void enablers in a pinch too giving it some versatility

>>96064128
this effect has got to be wildly broken in this set

I’m tired of tokens… if at least there were interesting tokens like “crack this generate X spell” or “crack this put X counter on target creature” but is always “Gain life” “Get land” “Draw card” and just repeat again and again with different names.

>>96064507
Nobody cares what you think or what you're tired of. Commander players love tokens.

>>96064507
>crack this generate X spell
spell tokens sounds like Hearthstone shit lol
>put X counter on target creature
that's more lame than 'get land'. they tried with Incubate and that was lame too.
I'm sure they'll do all that eventually though

>>96064577
You have any ideas to make this token hell interesting anon?

>>96064590
Get Real 2 colorless
Instant
Players sacrific all tokens they control and loses 1 life for each
Flashback 1

>>96064590
they have to do rudimentary things or else you're essentially stapling cheap spells to them and turning them into something like the Seal cycle
which are arguably more fitting as cards than tokens.
so you could look for old spell effects to turn into tokens.
I like the idea of a Force Spike token: 1, sacrifice: counter target spell unless its controller pays 1.
Because the effect is way worse when it's face up but it's also a miserable old effect that slows the game down and people hate to play against (you'd have to look for effects that are worse when face up for these).

>>96063345
Creatures with 0 toughness die as a state based action. SBAs are checked whenever a player would get priority but do not care about things that happen while a spell is resolving even if those things happen in different instances (eg: modal spells).

If you have a Maro in play and someone casts Wheel of Fortune, even though you discard your hand first and then draw 7 cards, at no point does the Maro die from having 0 toughness.

Now for bonus credit, tell me why Emperor Crocodile does NOT work this way and if I Ephemerate my only other creature I still have to sac it.

>>96064678
Because that's a reflexive triggered ability or something?

>>96059288
Kill me, Pete

>>96063853
Why does Red get to hate on fliers now? Is there precedent for this? I thought the EQ/Hurricane thing had been pretty consistent.

>>96064693
This set has some weird-ass bending in it. Not only the card you mentioned, but the leaked 2G "murder" than can have any creature fight any creature (and you don't have to own either target, and it can target its self) is also way out of line.

Not to mention that the whole "deal power damage to self" is a white ability, too...

>>96064684
Pretty much. I believe the current term is 'state trigger' which is different than state-based effects (even though triggers are effects and the terms are often colloquially used interchangeably).
Emperor Crocodile's ability is constantly monitoring the battlefield and whenever the stated condition is true it will put the sacrifice trigger on the stack at the next available opportunity.
Similarly, if a card said 'when you have no cards in hand...' then it WOULD trigger if someone cast Wheel of Fortune despite no player ever having priority when you had no cards in hand.

>ZERO playable red cards

Wow the mice really traumatized them

>>96064401
Well that trick has been in the game since mesmeric fiend, faceless butcher, etc. have been in the game. Something in the game for decades before they started with this nonsense where you can't just sac it.

We can have overpowered one-card-combo aggro creatures but no clever use of the stack? Kinda retarded.

>>96064387
why should it be like that?

>>96064807
So that the game can have depth and strategy instead of just turning cardboard sideways for three turns.

I mean, this is garbage but silly.

>>96064772
It's not a clever use of the stack at all. It's just an auto pilot interaction for veteran players, and a frustrating gotcha for new players. Same as damage on the stack and blinking.

>>96064727
>strictly better shock is unplayable

clown company, clown world

there are a few other cards that might see play. weapons manufacturing slots into rakdos maybe.

>>96064911
Where's this strictly better Shock? Plasma Bolt is Sorcery.

>>96064707
The green "murder" is 100% unintentional and is a result of increasingly sloppy QA

>>96064772
>aggro hater
>whine bitch
classic

>>96064917
ew. my mistake

>>96064707
"fight yourself" was originally white (in Tempest) but is an infrequent enough ability that it doesn't have a strong color identity. There are 2 mono white cards that do it (Tempest and some commander precon) 2 mono black cards (both from OG Kamigawa block), 2 mono red cards (one from OG Innistrad block, the other from SOI block); three if you count The Akroan War and 2 boros cards (GRN 'block').
Given the existence of cards like Delirium and Backlash, I am actually happier with 'fighting yourself' being a red ability than a white one.

>>96064925
Also strictly better Shock is nothing new. Burst Lightning is in Standard.

>>96064886
>an auto pilot interaction
Not at all. Rather limiting stack interaction reduces the complexity of the game. Much like printing FIRE creatures that can win you the game on turn 3.
>>96064923
Unlike you, I want an interactive game instead of just a coin flip between who goes first and gets out their turn 3 ZERO interaction aggro win.

>>96064772
Nah it's not clever, it's just a dumb rule shark interaction that's super unintuitive to newer players and can occasionally lead to some bizarre game states. Simplifying these effects is way better for the game to have these types of cards function like they intuitively should

>>96064886
>It's not a clever use of the stack at all.
I disagree. Damage on the stack was an 'auto pilot interaction' because you got to double down on multiple effects instead of having to choose. I got to block your 3/1 with my Bottle Gnomes and then sac them to still kill your attacker while also gaining life.

In order to benefit from the O-Ring 'trick' you need to hold off on playing your O-Ring until you have a way of flickering, bouncing, or removing it at instant speed. The card itself does not do that on its own and it requires deck building considerations as well as potentially holding off on casting it until a better situation comes up. If I have a Fiend Hunter + Ephemerate but only 3 lands, whether I cast Fiend Hunter to temporarily deal with your threat right now or wait a turn to get it exiled permanently is a real strategic decision that will not always be obvious and, depending on the board state, either option could be the best one. This is [almost] never the case with damage on the stack interactions in which it is always objectively better to put the damage on the stack and then sac/bounce/whatever.

I agree that the interaction is unintuitive to new players and JotC is obviously trying to make the game less complex so that retards willing to spend money on shiny collector boosters can still play the game.

>>96064942
Also Lightning Bolt was printed in Alpha.

>>96064945
Complexity and depth are not necessarily the same. Having a single objectively best decision (sacrifice while ability is on the stack) may require complex rules maneuvering, but decreases decision making.

>>96064860
why would turning every soft removal into hard removal make the game more strategic?

>>96065009
I think you're overrating how "fun" the trick is. The most miserable thing in premodern (tide) is based around this, and it's not like it's some hidden strategical genius there.

>>96064878
the only possible use of this is "Draw Seven"

>>96064959
>it's just a dumb rule shark interaction that's super unintuitive to newer players
Newer players can learn the rules and have them explained to them. Learning rules is part of the game. The main appeal of MTG over other TCG's used to be that it had more complex and interesting rules that lead to more game states and ways to play than other TCG's while at least in the past, being balanced enough that deck design didn't devolve into OTK like Yugioh except in very few cases that have been banned from most formats except vintage. Now it's just as bad as Yugioh in STANDARD while the game is actively being dumbed down for aggro babies who don't like the ruleset or the gameplay around interactions and just want to tap cardboard on turn 3 for a win.
>can occasionally lead to some bizarre game states
>bizarre game states
Nothing bizarre about any "game states." Especially in regards to stack interaction. It's only bizarre if you're a retard who thinks tapping cardboard to win on turn 3 is what the game is all about.
>Simplifying these effects is way better for the game to have these types of cards function like they intuitively should
In essence, you're a newfag who shouldn't be playing MTG and are part of the reason why MTG has gone so far downhill. If stack interaction is filtering midwit newfag casuals like yourself, then they belong in the game. If anything, there needs to be more to filter more of you out.

>>96065020
>decreases decision making.
No. It doesn't. Because you can always cut down/shock the bat to keep your more valuable cards in hand while turn the bat into an excessively expensive peak without the card draw. You don't have to plan ahead and keep cards in your hand in anticipation since you can always just get rid of the bat immediately or whenever you get removal without any consequence. You can save the counterspell and other forms of removal because you don't have to worry about the interaction any more.
>>96065029
Because you need to save removal to destroy the sac outlet in order to prevent the interaction instead of just shocking the creature in response to or after the ability resolves. Or it requires that you need to use a counterspell or one of the shroud/hexproof effects rather than being able to save it because you can just remove the soft-removal with a card that's less crucial. Removing interaction only makes the game LESS strategic since you have less to anticipate and plan around.

>>96065057
I don't give a shit about fun. I am specifically addressing whether or not there is strategic consideration in moment to moment gameplay with O-ring interactions, specifically in comparison to interactions that involved damage on the stack.

Worrying about how 'fun' something was is exactly what led us to FIRE design. Stax and Draw-Go no longer exist entirely because of people complaining about 'fun'.

>>96065084
> Stax and Draw-Go no longer exist entirely because of people complaining about 'fun'.
That's a good thing. You can play turbofog in pauper if you want to be an obnoxious piece of shit.

>>96065115
You are the problem.

>>96065115
And the people who find burn unfun? The people who find combo decks unfun? Where is this mystical objective definition of fun that all players agree on?

I don't particularly find losing fun so anyone who plays a deck that might beat me shouldn't be allowed to play because it's not fun.

>>96065115
You being unable to address the points I made about O-Ring relative to damage on the stack suggests that you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion.

>>96065132
Always 5 lines of text, jeez. Do we not have any more design space to make something short and exciting.

>>96065158
You're discussing with like 3 different anons at this point lad.
>>96065120
>>96065146
Bros are hated by everyone at their LGS lol

>>96065174
what are you? 4?
is reading that hard?

>>96064945
>I want an interactive game
>that's why I'm crying about not being able to prevent my opponents from interacting with my removal

Big news for Nautilus fans.

>>96065187
Should have been a Cephalid.

>>96065178
I don't care how many people I am 'discussing' this with. The anon I replied to was unable to address the points I made and therefore likely has nothing meaningful to contribute. Whether they were the original person making the claim is irrelevant.

>>96065205
Why do you post like you're a MGS villain giving a speech?

>>96065070
There's a difference between complex/ interesting rules and needlessly obfuscated bullshit that barely make sense as written unless you know this very specific interaction. A game can still be interesting and not rely on unintuitive ruling interactions

>>96065214
Autists always go full pseud retard when they get btfo

coco slam four slivers thrumming hivepool swing for 30

>>96065186
Could you create a hypothetical board state that illustrates your point please?
I do not believe that Oblivion Ring "prevents my opponents from interacting with my removal" in an appreciably more negative way than Seal From Existence, which is a significantly less complex card both for the person playing it and the person playing against it.

>>96065242
fog

>>96065259
I don't care about what you believe, just what's real. If you're too retarded to think about this yourself then there is nothing meaningful that you could say after having it explained to you.

>>96065174
commanders need to have some abilities

>>96065261
bro my frenzied baloth?

>>96065214
Why do you talk about literally anything other than my claim that O-Ring working the way it does leads to more strategically meaningful decisions?
>>96065217
I agree. I believe that you are the one conflating the two though.
Is the Oblivion Ring interaction "obfuscated bullshit" and unintuitive? Sure, new players are likely to find it confusing.
Is the Oblivion Ring interaction also more complex and allows to more meaningful strategic decisions? Also true.
I am not arguing in favor of unintuitive interactions, I am arguing in favor of meaningful strategic interactions both in a moment to moment gameplay context and in a deck building context.
Damage on the stack was both unintuitive and actually reduced the amount of meaningful decisions a player had to make. That is why I am not defending it and am glad it was removed from the game.

>>96065277
So you are unwilling or unable to create a hypothetical board state that illustrates your point.
In that case, could you please address the hypothetical board state I described in >>96065009 in which my opponent has a threat on the table and I have a Fiend Hunter + Ephemerate in hand but only 3 lands?

I am giving you every opportunity to explain why you are correct and you are instead choosing to call me retarded instead of actually trying to back up your claim.

>>96065297
You got me. Good game.

>>96065320
>oblivion ring is complex and leads to more decisions
>damage on stack is unintuitive and removes decisions
lmao why are these threads only good after hitting the limit

>decide to go to fnm for the first time in a few years and do draft
>call in and ask when it starts
>guy says theyre already full and it doesnt even start for another 6 hours
is final fantasy really that popular? wtf

>>96065347
How is a removal spell that your opponent can interact with on a later turn less interactive than bouncing o-ring and permanently exiling things?

>>96065377
That's kind of wild, I haven't had that happen locally
Do note that FF is twice as expensive, so if you're coming back to draft it might be better to wait for the next set.

>>96065377
Against all odds, FIN is actually a solid draft set but I doubt that is why the draft its self is sold out.

>>96065389
When you can only jerk off solitaire starts feeling like interacting.

>>96059468
1-16 all hold value, they're for FF hoarders, not MTG players.

>>96065389
The opponent bouncing the O-Ring (and again, I'd prefer if you specified the card you were using to bounce the O-Ring just to avoid future 'but what if I used X instead' or similar arguments) needs to do so before the initial removal trigger resolves. This inherently introduces more risk as the player casting the O-Ring is now setting themself up for card disadvantage in a way that a traditional removal spell (or just casting the O-Ring normally) would not. The interaction I am most familiar with is Restoration Angel/Cloudshift + Fiend Hunter as they were both in standard together. In that situation, Fiend Hunter targets the first time (the thing that is permanently exiled) and then targets a second time before the first removal trigger resolves. Assuming you had a method of giving the target pro-white or hexproof, your opponent is now unable to remove that creature. Meanwhile, if they didn't try for the trick they would be able to respond to your Sheltering Word or whatever by casting Flickerform/Resto and getting around your protection.
Assuming you used a Banisher Priest instead of Fiend Hunter, the exact same thing would happen but the opponent would have no reason to go all-in on flickering before you potentially saved your creature and thus there is never a reason to do so. There are fewer meaningful lines that could be relevant therefore the game is less strategically complex.
Specifically referring to how 'interactive' the game is, your opponent having to have a second card to bounce/flicker the O-Ring allows for more interactions with both the O-Ring itself and the second card used to bounce it. I would argue that choosing whether to play O-Ring on 3 or waiting a turn to get your bounce spell also leads to more interaction with the permanent that you would otherwise have removed.

All you whiners about power level don't understand that clearly wotc wants to reduce the power curve moving forward so that by next rotation we have a healthy meta. They will subsidize the reduced sales with pumps from UB

Not sure what to think of this. Probably a good surprise in limited, but that's maybe it.

And indestructible trick but also a kill spell.

Also yet another dogshit Spacecraft that's really just an overcosted sorcery.

And Spacecraft support, because this mechanic really is good enough to need it, definitely.

We won, insectbros

>>96065640
hard to complain about raw card advantage on a good body but yeah I don't think this sees play in such a high powered standard

This'll probably kill you in limited more than you realise.

>>96065524
>and again, I'd prefer if you specified the card you were using to bounce the O-Ring just to avoid future 'but what if I used X instead' or similar arguments
The specific cards are literally irrelevant. You think just because all these decisions are made at once that it's more complex.

>>96065719
>2 mana 3/2 with high upside
I think this card is pretty clearly great

>>96065719
Also what the fuck is with this art everything looks wrong in proportions. Valera's done way better art than this, wonder what went wrong.

>>96065696
I think you're underestimating how strong station is going to be in limited. it's a little bit like energy; you're sitting there generating incidental value while also doing this thing that builds boardstate while being difficult to interact with and suddenly just wins

>>96065802
The problem is energy built up without any real additional effort. Station requires you to tap a creature on your turn, leaving yourself with less blockers and not spending the turn attacking. It does not ever feel worth the effort.

>>96065402
>Against all odds
anon, the entire upside of these big expensive IP crossover sets is that so much time gets on developing them that they are pretty much guaranteed to be good Limited formats

>>96065658
great limited card

>>96065697
>activate only as a sorcery

>>96059288
>tap swamp

>>96066148
I genuflect

>>96065697
>2 mana 2/3 insect
>Etb mill three cards
Fucking finally!
>5 mana, sac: Reanimate a creature/spacecraft
Holy shit, it's even better than I was hoping it would be! You can even get back the Larval Scoutlander for landfall value if you have nothing else to get, I guess that's gotta be the 3-drop the deck works with. Why does it have a late-90s/early-00s CG alien mouth though?

>>96066160
>has lander in the name
>can’t be used for it’s own sac trigger

WIIIIZZZZZZAAARDDDSSSSSSSS

>>96065741
>more things must be accounted for and more instances which can be interrupted are present
>somehow not more complex
Ah yes. It truly is summer.

>>96059285
it’s times like these i’m happy i switched to commander. if i had to buy space trannies and avatards to keep active and competitive in my own hobby i’d lose my mind. actually though i really want them to print that. just a genetically good cards with erotic non binary art that becomes unbannable legacy and modern staples.

>>96066148
>pays 2 life
No. You will keep your hand

>>96066253
>i’m happy i switched to commander
>if i had to buy space trannies and avatards
You realize commander is literally a tranny format right?

>>96064878
>waftwalking
lmao

>>96065696
Is this one of those joke lands?

>>96066245
>misses the point
>uses the most autistic deflection in 4chan history
You're just retarded, it's not a big deal.

>>96066254
Love this card’s legacy story

>designed to stop powerful 1 drops
>is a 1 drop
>can be used in any color, so it is

Truly a mental misstep

>>96066253
>>96066265
how did /tg/ end up with so many low iq gen z kids obsessed with calling each transsexuals on social media

>>96066297
that's its every format story

>>96066346
It didn’t even see standard play when it was legal, but otherwise yes

Nobody answered this question earlier:

What card can you put in an omniscience deck post-rotation to loop with Marangs to win the game without having to pass
Founding the third path is out
Invasion of arcavios is out
Jace is out

>any etb damage or life loss in black/red can technically do it but then are dead cards in hand
>chandra is dumber but can at least do it pretty fast with her own loop
>eriette's apple is one of the only blue/white/colorless options that actually wins the game on the spot, albeit with capped damage? and not too useful even if you can cast it outside of omni

>>96065181
Yes. Everytime I read borring ass walls of text Im reminded of ur mom.

>>96065667
This thing makes for some weird reanimation loops with artifacts and enchantments. Tune Up (or similar) into this, into another artifact/enchantment, etc...flicker fun, perhaps. This one is a noggin jogger.

>>96066493
Run one mana rock in the 60 + the dominion bracelet

>tap rock for mana
>loop marang to pick it up, replay it
>do that 9 times total
>generate 9 mana to equip to marang and activate

>>96065719
Has there been a single white person on a white card this set? Lmfao fucking nigs everywhere

robots, all of them, seem to be a huge shit uh?

Do you anons prefer draft or prerelease sealed? I think draft might be more challenging but going in blind to a sealed prerelease is pretty fun to see new mechanics.

>>96066765
literally two pics above the one you replied to

>>96066341
good luck

>>96066794
what the fuck are you talking about

>>96066794
FUCK YOU YOU'RE RUINING MY NARRATIVE
I HAVE TO GET MAD
I HAVE TO CRY

>>96059404
>15 cents worth of easily mass-produced cardboard, plastic, and ink
>virtually the same art as the normal card
>only difference is lack of rules text and a HECKIN SPECIAL stamp
>chumps willing to pay out $50k

>>96066784
Sealed is better for blind/ first time which is what pre release is. Draft I feel requires some basic knowledge of the set and is also better when other people also have a vague idea of what they're doing which is rarely the case for pre release

>>96066794
Sorry I mean a fucking white man. I’ll wait. Remember I said white card. Can’t be a tranny either.

Why is it my opponent's choice when they sacrifice creatures, but they don't "Discard a card of their choice"?
This is confusing.

>>96067002
What? The rules for forced sac generally reads opponent sacrifices a creature, same with discard and they are both left up to you unless otherwise stated

>>96067127
>The rules for forced sac generally reads opponent sacrifices a creature,
No it says "sacrifces a creature of their choice" but it doesn't say the same for discard?
So I get to choose what they discard? Or is it just they don't write they get to choose for one effect and did for the other?
Like I said, it's confusing that one has it but the other doesn't.

>>96067127
He's complaining that recent sacrifice cards have included "of their choice" to their card text but the same hasn't been applied to discard cards

>>96067143
It’s consistent and this card is the perfect example

>>96066294
>provides no arguments
>says nothing of substance
And you're the one calling me retarded.

>>96067160
Oh, sorry. Guess I'm not looking at boomer cards.

>>96067173
>First innistrad is considered boomer magic.
Damn I’m cooked, as the kids say

Holy shit dude, calm down.

>>96066765

>>96067249
For me, it's his tiny baby arms.

Smartest AI overview

>>96067303
Based.
Temples are soul. Clue Edition lands are just blatant, gay power creep.

>>96066794
My brother in christ that is an asian woman
>>96065696

>>96065780
>wonder what went wrong.
Art description was probably something like "We want you to draw Sunstar Chaplain, a badass angry little person of a visible minority ethnicity..."

>>96066765
There is on the post you quoted
A white woman is being saved by a strong black male

recommend me a deck box that will fit 75 double sleeved (dragon shield matte + kmc hard) cards (no empty space for the cards to move around inside)
i have an old ultra pro deck box from like 2012, it works but putting the cards inside is kind of annoying since they're really snug

>>96067258
Some fucking brownoid? LMFAO if you think he is white

>>96064693
It is secondary in flier hate due to being second worse at flying.

>>96065541
Eventually they'll make more mistakes like cori and beans that will dominate the meta.

>>96065198
Cephalids are now octopus.

>>96066765
The Summist is an African Theocracy. The whites are their low caste servants. Wotc is being more respectful of demographics by acknowledging homogeneity so instead of blacks being placed randomly instead they will be placed with other members of their faction.

>>96067002
Because you can make an opponent discard a card of your choice but you can't force your opponent to sacrifice a specific target since sacrifice is an action your opponent must make which is why it gets around indestructible.

>go on Arena
>make shitty reanimator deck
>go to best-of-one
>win most games because all the shitty decks are too slow to kill me before I get a big creature into play
Do arena-babes really?

>>96068095
>"Bro I brought a T1 deck to bronze league and won so much!"
ok bud

>>96068212
I am king of the bronze league then. I demand tribute.

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>>96068238

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>>96065697
It sucks desu