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UB Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: What's a pet card you refuse to cut?

Post irl decks, why not

If land denial is bracket 4 then destroying my mana rocks should also be bracket 4

>>96067953 (OP)
>T1 Luffy drop
>Proliferate shenanigans
>Could probably win as early as T3 if you only have one opponent
>Actually kill yourself T4 if you don’t have platinum angel or lab maniac out
What a shit card, holy geg

>>96067989
>Year of Our MARO + 14
>Xhe's still using mana rocks

>>96068011
Outside of green, hell yea I do

Oh the new set? For me, I'm always excited for more robots.

>>96068029
bro your lander tokens?

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

Every color has access to land ramp. Sad robot, cave robot, sac elk, sac artifacts, shrine to nykthos, twenty different coffers, etc. you have no excuse

>>96068042
>doesn't contain ornithopter
0/10

Im building this deck and Im trying to not do too many of the combat celebrant effects. Ive found that Fanatic of Mogis is a great alternative since its easy to hit the table kill threshold. Its leaning more into a treasures as I build. Anybody got some fun stuff? I think Mindclaw Shaman is a home run since it also procs off of harmonic prodigy. Thinking about magda so I can grab a blightsteel or a panharmonicon or something

>>96068064
Tell me what to cut for it

My Horde of Notions deck from 2014. Most expensive EDH deck I had, by far.

poasted in old thread

If you are looking for deck building tips: this is one of the best decks I've made in awhile.

https://archidekt.com/decks/14419040/terrable

>>96068075
One sec, lemme ask @Grok

>>96067953 (OP)
This guy seems balanced for Commander, since you play him turn 1, on your first opponents upkeep, he becomes nearly impossible to remove, on your second opponents upkeep, he becomes a 102/102, and on your third opponents upkeep, you draw 102 cards and lose the game.

Remember when you could throw together a jankpile and still have fun without it having to be some "woman looking left bracket 1" deck

I'm so glad I got support for my Krenko baron of tin street deck

>>96068110
You still can if your group isn't always playing tryhard like losers.

>>96068135
imagine playing a 7 drop that doesn't have ETB win the game

>>96067965
this is my favorite deck

>>96068150
It really is like that these days. It is just a big race to "do the thing," not play the cool janky shit that has no room in other formats. Half of your deck has to be devoted to "eating your vegetables" in order to even have a chance to have fun these days.

>>96068150
I don't have to imagine I do it all the time. Come down to bracket 1 the water's fine

I asked Grok to make a mono-blue deck and built it exactly as given.
https://archidekt.com/decks/13936308/grok_deck_lmao

>>96067953 (OP)
>Instantly becomes the best card in 60-card ever because it's a 102/102 hexproof trampler on turn 2
>Useless in EDH because you deck yourself before it gets back to your turn
WotC would absolutely design this.

>>96068183
It gave me explanations for the specific cards if you want any shared

>>96068183
he cute

>>96068188
>drawing your entire deck is useless
hello newfriend, I recommend you learn the game a bit more before trying to make snarky comments

>>96068150
My wife wins with 7 drop no etbs.

GWR is the gay color combo, BUR is the tranny combo

Since we’re posting custom cards ITT, how is this?

>>96068311
UBG is the gigachad combo

Print it.

This is a slop free zone. I know you like your shit UB, and your trash new hat sets and your shitty proxies, custom cards and trash AI art, but it will no longer be tolerated.

>>96068334
bugchads

>>96068311
>BUR is the tranny combo

>>96068311
Naya and grixis!!!! Learn the shards nerd!!! And the ravnica factions!!!!!

>>96068375
only trannies use those terms outside of referring to specific factions from specific planes TRUTH NUKE

>>96068311
I used to think I was Esper but at the end of the day I just want to make people upset so I'm really Grixis.

>>96068384
Theyre used all the way up to pro tour. It’s not UR AGGRO it’s Izzet aggro, or lately dimir.

>>96068399
you're a human

>>96068371
Going from the Scryfall search, it’s Selesnya, Rakdos, Abzan, or Mardu
>Cadira (WG)
>Felothar (WBG)
>Xantcha (BR)
>Alesha (BR/WBR)

>>96068431
I think the BR alesha is the grandma

Man reanimator is fucking broken in casual. I wish I didn't love playing my raffine deck so much it just stomps my friends

>>96068431
>Felothar
>tranny
Huh?

>>96068404
Yes, wotc (woketrannie$©) started enforcing the terms to strengthen their brand, unironically eroding it in the process. Imagine if they called BUG Zagoth during Ikoria standard and RGW Cabaretti during Capenna standard, it would tie the game to the lore more strongly.

>>96068451
Felothar is a canon tranny.
>>96068431
Every tranny I know play some variant of blue/black.

>>96068451
Dragonstorm was a decent set but still can't get over how much they WoWified the aesthetic.

>>96068230
You're retarded and a larping tourist. You can first off never have more than 98 cards in your deck, unless you can mull to 0 im not sure. Either way. Drawing 100 cards will always lose you the game because you will attempt to draw from an empty library and lose. RETARD maybe learn how the game fucking works before you try correcting people
>inb4 nooooooo im gunna reduce his power!!!!!!!

>>96068325
Genuinely awful anon
>devoid
Why? For what purpose.
>retarded ward cost
See above
>retardedly oppressive effects outside of its colors
See above. Make it make sense.
>7/7
Why does it also have a beater statline?

>>96068118
I can't believe what they've done to duel masters.
How could this happen?

>>96068370
Hell yeah, bugchads rise up
Zask stonks are going up

>>96068436
Pretty sure BR Alesha is Mardu Alesha but old, as the next two cards mentioning Alesha are past tense, presumably having died offscreen with the Dragonlords.
>>96068451
Yep, also I forgot Yuma being an FTM, remember the thread going on about that.

>>96068325
dimir maybe grixis
Remove devoid
Ward - return an instant or sorcery from YOUR graveyard to your hand (opponents choice)

If there are no instants/sorceries in your graveyard sacrifice NAME.

Now that you've added drawbacks and changed the color to the proper one you can keep the last ability. Although id do x-1

>>96068118
>not for sale
No one would buy your garbage anyway

>>96068451
why do they all have halloween jack o lantern armor

>>96068506
that's part of the default template on mtgcardbuilder but thanks for the (you)

>>96068511
well you see they're following the tranny
trannies live their life as a costume
costumes are associated with halloween
ergo trick or treat

>>96068506
>magic then vs magic now
I think hes trying to make a joke or a point anon...

>>96067953 (OP)
It's crazy that even in modern magic this would still be one of the ugliest cards of all time. What a hideous character.

>>96067953 (OP)
>MH4 set code
Got me

>>96068538
onepiss cards are really nice, amazing card stock, plenty of booba, MTG could learn from it

>>96068529
yeah, and that tranon is lashing out because the meme offended xir

Is Kibo the best artifact hate commander?
I wanna shit all over treasures and broken artifacts.

>take a shit yesterday, it was incredibly hard and painful coming out.
>asshole has felt like it's had a razor stuck in it all day
This is the real life equivalent of the stinging painful shit that is a deck with even a single UB card in it

>>96067965
Went 3-1 last night with Golbez. Since it's my only deck right now, it's all I can play and admittedly it's a little stronger than some decks, but since my removal suite is actually kinda thin, I often don't find myself controlling the match, just establishing an engine. The game I lost, I actually paid 34 out of 35 remaining life into Doom Whisperer with Polluted Cistern out. Ended up killing 2 players and then dying to Renata who was at 4 life lmao

>>96068553
honestly, OP tcg has some amazing card quality, the drastic difference between magic foils and OP foils is absurd
manga sanji is gonna make me go broke

>>96068528
>trannies are halloween coded
>trick or treat
trick(prostitution) or treat(neetbux) - the two paths for most tranimals
damn, that's deeper than I expected

>>96068611
too bad about the game

>>96068616
Their type (trannies/tranny supporters) also strongly self-identify with witches, which has other sorts of implications.

>>96068643
OPTCG is the greatest game, lah! Superior strategy and card economy unlike fool Magic shitter.

>>96068657
witches are just seething women
trannies aren't witches, they are seething men wearing witch costumes

>>96068605
You have hemmeroids

>>96068610
What were the win conditions?
>inb4 Walking Ballista tutored every game

>>96068658
ok shill

>>96068658
>Go to a store
>They were having a sale on magic because they wanted to move into OPTCG and Lorcana when it released
>Went out of business
It could be a great game, but it doesn't move so it doesn't matter.

>>96068666
Well, Satan
Game 1
>Golbez + Apocalypse Demon (drained for 55)
Game 2
>Karnstructs + Master of Etherium (Combat damage)
Game 4 (I lost game 3)
>Forensic Gadgeteer + Basalt Monolith + Walking Ballista
I lucked into Unshakable Tail 3 out of 4 games since I can filter through my deck with relative speed, so I was able to make some really long but fruitful turns. My Panharmonicon ate an exile counter though, truly devastating.

>>96068643
i like the game a lot since it reminds me a lot of goat format where small decision making matters over big combos, right now its my favorite game to play
i play almost every card game though
>>96068687
it depends on the area, most of the stores in my area are instantly selling out one piece preorders and struggling to keep up with the demand, while magic and yugioh prices keep tanking, theres only one store in my area that even focuses on magic now while the rest of them pretty much dropped it all together, we had one store recently which was THE magic store and they went out of business

>>96068593
Wait what the fuck, isn't that literally a card from Hearthstone? Monkey come out and create a bunch of beneficial Banana tokens that give +1/+1 when used.

>>96068721
Nope it's a real mtg card lmao

>>96068762
Hasbro don't give a fuck. It's a monkey eat monkey world out there.

Mail drop

I have never ordered cards online

>>96068824
Same. I live right next to WotC, and there are tons of local shops I can go to and browse. Also always have my trade binder and trade in person for what I want.

>>96068824
You should

>>96068801
oh my god I remember this when I used to play like a decade ago. Funny how this kinda stuff works

>>96068325
Annihilator X feels like it suits the color pie a bit better, but we can call back to processors for some additional bullshit.

>>96068824
I only do it cuz I can get cards for market price (and lower) off tcgplayer, when the LGSs around here charge way more. 25 cents minimum for commons/uncommons, 75 cents minimum for rares and mythics. Just doesn't make sense to buy from them when I can save like $30+ making a deck buying cards online

>>96068657
It's because witches traditionally are supposed to be gross looking older women, they were literally hags. It's much easier to pretend to be an unattractive woman than a good looking woman. Oh but the young people have already seen to it that being into "hags" is cool now just because a buncha really good Madam Mim and Gruntilda porn exists or something. Trannies have truly covered all possible bases.

>>96068824
My friends used to be like you back in high school, I used to win all the time and nobody could understand how my decks always had so much synergy. Oh what simple times those were, being the only experienced card gamer in a Duelist Kingdom tier pond.

>>96068610
>Chains
is this card even good? what does it actually do? it's confusingly worded.

>>96068880
he just likes to show he has a copy it does nothing

>>96068657
god i want to fuck tasha with her hat on

>>96068856
aren't witches and hags different creatures in D&D

>>96068803
I have no idea who she is but the Sarah/Asuza is very pretty art
Posted my mail drop earlier

>>96068886
>it does nothing
thats a lot of words on the card for it to do nothing, does it just replace drawing with looting?

>anon, I'm going to cast assassin's trophy on your Millennium Calendar, can't let that get too big
>Mfw the player next to him as a fucking managorger hydra and some red bullshit card that basically does the same thing
And wouldn't you know it, that little Hydra what no one likes was a 60/60+ by games end.

>>96068880
>Is it good?
I'd say so, but it is marginally weaker against graveyard decks because it can replace their draws with Rummaging (discard and then draw) or straight milling if their hand is empty.
>What does it actually do
Fairly simple process
>Are you drawing a card?
>Is it the first card from your Draw Step?
>If not, discard a card and then draw
>If not, and you have no hand, Mill 1 and don't draw
>>96068886
I do like to show it off, but I'm probably cutting it now that it's done its chaotic thing for a good few weeks and going back into my Black Binder til another deck wants it. After I get ice cream I'll post an updated deck pic. But here's the notes
-Eye of Duskmantle
-Chains of Mephistopheles
-Archway of Innovation
-Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge
-Gogo, Master of Mimicry

+Palantir of Orthanc
+Zur's Weirding
+Dimir Spybug
+Talisman of Dominance
+Crystal Skull, Isu Spyglass

>>96068930
>he cut a land
LMAO

>>96068898
She has canonically CONSORTED with this big black creature

>>96069052
Consorted with? They're *the* power couple of the Nine Hells.

>>96068180
Based
>>96068150
Cringe

>>96067965
Behold my ceaseless faggotry
>>96068610
Looks sick, where are you going with KCI though? I dont see any scrap trawlers or myr retrievers. Is it just for dumping all your tokens into mana?

>>96068150
Name 10 7+ drops that win the game singlehandedly

>>96069086
>Breya
Holy FUCK based
I'm jealous as fuck, I can never fully assemble her without the list usually looking like 600 cards with 10 ideas for theme.
>KCI
Tokens for mana, yeah. It also draws a lot of hate so other stuff flies more under the radar. It also works as another sac outlet for Nick Valentine + Stridehangar to net positive tokens

>>96068230
If you are require to draw a card while you have no cards in your library, you lose the game.
You lost The Game.

>>96067989
destroying mana rocks isn't bracket 4
having mana rocks is bracket 4
all fast mana is bracket 4 or 5

>>96068363
Thank you for your service

>>96067989
Blowing up one of your lands is fine.
You missed the MASS part.

>>96068930
>>96068610
Updated list too lazy to get up and turn on the light lmao

>sign up for an open pod at the LGS
>dude joins with his girlfriend
>infamous for getting into altercations
>and for misleading his girlfriend so he can win
>most of the game it's surprisingly ok
>he's on 5c first sliver changeling tribal
>gets out of hand fast so I burst him down to 3 life
>can't finish him and he has The World Tree in play, so he's going to untap and likely assemble a kill on us
>tell his girlfriend to swing her 3/3 at me, which I can block to get a death trigger that'll deal him his last 3 life
>"It's fine, I can't combo anymore because I'm at such low life, see?"
>"I literally can't win on my turn"
>untaps
>tutors uses world tree
>tutors out Purphoros + lethal
>"Guess I did have it"
Truly epic

>>96068325
Didn't we used to have custom card threads? I miss the old days where we could keep a legacy thread bumped and gA still did ask a judge threads.

I like the cards that make my dudes fight. I don't have time for this counterspell pussy shit

>>96069275
Wow that pic came out worse than expected. Let's see if this is better.

>>96068912
It is nice isn't it? God I love Attrition btw

>walk to target for groceries somewhat regularly between the big shop at a real grocery store
>a set releases, they get cleaned out, maybe one restock like clockwork
>today they had a random assortment of LotR set boosters, wacky races and murder mystery draft packs
>some random 3 pack blisters with a promo pic rel
>and mystery bundles. Essentially large unmarked boxes that said they contained 7 different packs

Didn't grab the mystery box but my 3 pack was new capenna, brothers war and neo kamigawa. Always fun seeing random shit like those unlabeled repacks back in the day. Thanks for subscribing.

>>96069356
Get better taste in basics

>>96069325
Public games of Magic have scummy players?

>>96069411
I have some nonmatching old foil ones, but these were the only ones that were consistent. Lemme go get my land binder lmao
4 Swamps, 4 Islands (since I'm keeping the Beta lands in no matter what)

>>96068909
Anon that's about as autistic as pointing out there are no dragons in Skyrim.

>>96069416
yea it was just jarring to have a normal game of magic end out of nowhere by someone desperate to scum a win

>>96069422
people who believe this are hilarious
>ummmmh axually because of my taxonomic definition I made up that is not used in the game world, the dragons in skyrim are in fact NOT dragons but some other thing I made up because I decided it

>>96069418
Yeah blah blah >muh autism they need to be matching except the beta ones(not even alpha what kind of faggot flex even is this?) Just getting better taste.

>>96069441
Imagine the shitshow if they brought back wyvern as a creature type. Do they even bother with drakes anymore?

>>96069459
>Do they even bother with drakes anymore?
Kinda cheating cuz of the new set, but yes

i really fuck hate people who feed the fish

>>96069452
Here you go
Some new, freshly sleeved basics for this deck. Thanks!

>>96069496
i wish kamigawa swamps werent so expensive for basics

>>96069511
I think I have a bunch of them since I opened like 6 boxes of Neon Dynasty when it came out, but very few foils. Didn't know they were almost $5 a piece. Might have to go digging through my foils box again.

just proxy your basics

>>96069527
>proxy
gros

>>96069519
i have all kamigawa forests in my savra deck but i only have a couple of the swamps

>>96069441
that was mostly because the game was so boring, people needed to find things to fight over to keep themselves awake when talking about it
every commander player knows that feeling

>>96069533
You should buy your own cards before you have opinions on proxying beggar

>>96069577
Hmm... nah proxying gros
>>96069537
Based. Checked my two foil boxes, no additional foil Kamigawa swamps sadly, but I found these and they're pretty neat

>>96069622
>foil Gifts Ungiven
What a crazy time to be alive now that this isn't a bulk rare anymore.

>>96068363
Call the fucking cops.

>>96069622
i proxy expensive shit i want to try il spend money on cards i think look nice

>>96069086
Very nice, anon. That is probably the last tri color I would ever build, but nice.

>>96069638
I'd say it every single time

>>96069636
All my useless copies from DBM22 went from junk to binder stuff, so that's always nice. I've yet to cast it in Golbez and even if I did I have no idea what I'd even grab.
>>96069657
Fair enough, if you really want that real life play feel I can't judge you for that
>>96069662
Izzet is the one color pair that often turns my brain to mush, but I definitely need to figure out an Izzet deck I think. Right now I'm torn between Vivi or doing a second Rakdos deck with either Black Waltz or Kuja. As much as I love Kefka, I've sorta lost interest in it.

>>96069700
Izzet is the most kino color pair

>>96069700
if a card is over like 20$ and i cant really find a good replacement for it in a deck il usually proxy it, lands especially, i like playing in higher power games and i play cedh so im used to proxys
but il buy expensive alts and other shit
im excited to try my first simic deck after hating on the colors for so long

>>96069740
Weird way of spelling Mardu but okay

>have to relearn 4chan thanks to google
Commanders for this feel?

>>96069746
I only proxy cards within the 0c-5$ range. I simply don't put cards that cost more than that in my deck.

>>96069662
>Shao Jun poster
this isn't a thing

>>96069748
So close! Mardu is three colors.

This is pretty good right?

I'm working on a Kuja deck and this is what I have so far. Right off the bat I want to replace Dreadhorde Arcanist with something else. He's just a Wizard I had in my stash of cards and I don't really see myself pumping him up to make him useful since I don't have many one cost spells. How do you know how many creatures you should have in this kind of deck?

Why did they ban my zesty elf? I'm really, really mad, you guys.

>>96069794
I hate these etb X permanents they've been putting out lately

>>96069803
I mean...

>>96069803
>lately

>>96069800
Where have you been the last 10 years?

>>96069405
How can I unsubscribe from you it's not working I'm still seeing your shit in my feed

>>96069813
that's fine because when I can blink it I can pay X

This or Spore Frog, and why?

>>96069819
I haven't been playing magic. I bust out my decks and he is banned, along with Prime Time. My Azusa deck is majorly nerfed now. Those were my two most imortant cards.

>>96069825
Spiders are icky and you're a bad person for liking them, Yuri.

>>96069845
It's clearly a slug, with spider parts.

>>96069845
That is not a spider

>>96069825
Spore Frog is easier to loop

>>96069825
Spore frog if you can reanimate 1 drops for free somehow, spike weaver if you're +1/+1 counters. Same consideration as fertilid/STE.
Of course you could run both.

>>96069832
I'm pretty sure that elf has pretty much always been banned in this format hasn't it? At least as long as I've been playing, and that's coming on 15 years now. You might as well be complaining about not being allowed to use Tolarian Academy or Time Walk.

>>96069441
Nerds have been doing this smug brainlet shit for decades anon. There's a reason they used to be (rightly) mocked for being a bunch of annoying unfun pseuds.

>>96069662
>tripfag is the anti-proxy fag

Makes a LOT of sense actually

>>96069794
Yeah it's an easy auto include in any token deck in white. I've won a couple of games with it since FF dropped in my Jetmir and Myrel decks. I've never had to use it for the actual tokens.

I only proxy limited print run secret lairs.

I only proxy whatever the fuck I want.

I don't actually give a shit what you proxy as long as you're not filling up the thread with advertisements and AI garbage.

I proxy cards that finish cycles that deserve to exist and know they'll never go back and finish. When I finally getting around to building Squall I'm probably going to make all sorts of proxies of other creatures to get everyone in the cast fitted into BW. Selfie doesn't even fucking have a card at all which is such a dishonor.

>>96070067
I did a custom estininen since he didn't get an alt

>>96070010
>>96070030
>>96070067
No one cares.

>>96070093
I care

>>96070093
I dunno, other people felt like sharing at the moment. Someone cares right now.

>>96070057
And all you can do is rage and seethe like a baby if they do.

>>96069740
I'm wondering if Vivi should be the vessel for my "it's izzet but it's actually colorless" deck like I was doing with Jhoira as an artifact pile but with Devoid spells and mostly artifacts, triggering stuff like Ugin, Molten Nursery, etc. I was even using Barrage Tyrant to throw Karnstructs at people lmao

>>96070093
Love when people have to post about how they don’t care. Cared enough to reply, but don’t let that stop you

>>96069441
Um. Yeah? This might blow your mind if you’re 7 years old, but all categorizations are made up and only adhered to by people who give enough of a shit to make the distinction.

>>96069917
He also does not buy his own singles or sealed.

>today all the EDH youtubers uploaded videos about combo decks
is there coordination? how do they do this?

>>96070241
Don't they always do that? Isn't that what they do?

>>96070241
Quips and Guac didn't, so not all.

>>96070067
>he's a selphieenjoyer
>>96070093
I care

>>96070067
Squall seems pretty cool, is he fun?

I'm having trouble understanding these adventure cards. So take Ishgard for example, I can play it like a sorcery, IE, spend 3 colorless and 2 white, and then it goes to exile after it resolves from how I understand it, but I've read that you can play it from exile after that, but I don't see how since there's usually not a way to play from exile aside from really specific cards that can pull from there and I'm wondering if I'm just making this shit way more complicated than it really is

>>96070326
I honestly can't tell if this is ironic or not.

>>96070326
>there's usually not a way to play from exil
The card itself allows you to. That's the effect that's making it possible. Read the damn card.
>I'm wondering if I'm just making this shit way more complicated than it really is
Yes holy shit dude what the fuck
>>96070338
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement.

>>96070135
it should be Galazeth Prismari if you're doing that sort of thing

>>96070342
I'm gonna keep it a buck, I didn't realize the one that I was the expanded art version, that one doesn't have reminder text and that's what threw me for the loop, I've never seen an adventure card before

>new-Tezzeret preordering for 60
Is this thing secretly cracked or some shit?

>>96070383
it has the magic words "whenever an artifact you control enters"

>>96070367
Always always ALWAYS look up the reminder text for things you don't understand. Scryfall has the full oracle/reminder text for every card in Magic

Should I swap my 20 dual lands/fetches for 20 or so town lands? 5 color deck

>>96070383
>Is this thing secretly cracked or some shit?
Fucking yes? How do you read that card and not understand how dumb it is? Notice how it doesn't say "nontoken artifact"? That means spamming treasures n shit will make him go stupid. And he's colorless for some stupid fucking reason so he can fit in literally any deck ever

>>96070383
>Get free counters and has busted abilities

>>96070416
do you want your deck to run slower?

>>96070383
It's probably the most powerful Planeswalker since jtms

>>96070383
No, it's very overtly cracked. It will see play in Modern, Legacy, Standard, and Commander.

>>96070383
>went through all the effort to get darksteel implanted
>not even indestructible

>>96070448
I thought he just did that because his original artifact body was decaying or something

>>96070458
Even so, its gimmick is that is indestructible, like, its the literal reason it exists

>>96070463
the darksteel is just a containment unit for the planar bridge, its not really helping him as much as preventing the bridge from continuing to degrade his body

>>96070463
Indestructible wouldnt do anything on a planeswalker.

>>96070438
bro your oko

I pulled a tymna weaver and wondering if it's worth making a partner commander with thassios or kraum I know it's the best partner for value but everyone is gonna think it's cEDH I've never made a partner deck so I'm debating if it's worth doing

>>96070438
pffffthahaha

I just want to make a full sloppa deck is that so wrong

>>96070383
Besides the tutor ability its pretty meh unless you're getting up to combo shenanigans but then you just have what infinite tutors? Some shitty vanilla beaters? Not edh playable

>>96070502
try to be a little nontranny and just make a BW deck with 1 or 2 commanders

>>96070383
>secretly
About as secretly as Oko. So I'm expecting a blogpost in about 3-4 months saying "oh, we didn't consider his synergy with token generators (and skullclamp) when we made him. Our playtesters kinda missed that, teehee."
At least he's not simic for a change.

>>96068371
I don't know who this person is, but they have my answers.

>>96070519
>Synergy with banned card

>>96070524
a professional mtg tranny

>>96070504
Not an argument

>>96070510
actually it is cracked

I will eat my shoe if tezzeret causes an upset anywhere

>>96070519
He won't be useful anywhere but standard at most. He isn't very good.

>>96069875
It was always banned as a Commander, but not as a 99.

>>96070506
So what's stopping you?

>>96070519
>They didn't realize his synergy
>In a set that pumps out its own new shitty token types
No, they made him pushed

>>96070569
Hmmg

Is an exalted deck with this guy viable for vol tron? I really like all the exalted cards. WUB has a lot of good creatures and equipment tutor/enchantments to make anyone a one shot threat.

>>96070506
I'm currently in the midst of making a full proxy deck replacing everything with appropriate goblin themed art. But I'm using art drawn by people instead of slop.

>>96070604
I'm going to be very real with you:

no.

Anything pre-commander-drew-the-attention-of-WotC is usually going to be total ass barring already functionally broken cards. Rafiq at his most tuned will have trouble going up against pretty mid-level decks of commanders with the modern do-n-draw design crutch. You're in 3 colors, going against better decks, with an archetype that's already criminially underpowered. Commander is a combo format rife with idiots and pretty consistent removal (even among idiots). Your Voltron will eat so much removal every time that you will be forced to run Reserved List cards and high power recursion just to keep pace - all the while the idiots you play with will accuse of powercreeping the group and that Voltron is broken.

You saw the reaction to the dogshit card Giant Cacturn? Imagine that but it's every game and targeted at you specifically.

>>96070608
>>96070604
From my experience playing against him, he's not entirely voltron. Other creatures can hit really hard as well. Things that trigger on combat damage like swords too. And finest hour makes basically anything busted.
Like birds of paradies equipped with a sword and him+finest hour on the board already deals 20 damage and has 4 sword triggers.

>>96070613
The fact you think slapping a bunch of stolen art into an online custom maker isnt as slop is adorable.

I wish voltron had more support trying to 1v3 through commander damage just doesn't win games.

>>96070633
If he prints it and actually delivers on it, it's soul.

>>96070631
So it's worth building around? I really like the colors, I have a bunch of the swords and exalted cards.

>>96070383
>supports the gayest archtype in game
>tutors for the gayest archtype in the game
>helps circumvent needing creatures so you can put more gay artifacts in your deck
>grows bigger off every artifact that enters regardless of whether it's a token or not meaning literally within the first turn you play him you can just spam some treasure and ult him to get a permanent uninteractable emblem that lets you turn any artifact into a creature for free
>does all this at the hefty hefty cost of 3 colorless mana

Not worth the $60 dollar price tag but he is more pushed artifactslop so artifact fags will slurp it up.

>>96070642
Ancient chinese secret.
Assume you know, you don't get combo'd out

>>96070608
This guy was intimidating about 10 years ago but these days he's basically just a vanilla creature and under the curve

>>96070651
He put even less effort into it than ai sloppers.

>>96070655
>Slop!

Man, "slop" really is the slop of criticism these days. Sounding like a much of brain damaged parrots.

>>96070655
His ult is probably the least interesting part of the kit

>>96070654
I think he offers a few interesting approaches to be build. The main problem is that he can oneshot people with finest hour, so people who have seen it, will try to keep him off the board.

>>96070642
kill them before they kill you

>>96070569
Weird ashnod

>>96070687
Anyone who says "slop" can have their opinion immediately discarded

>>96070642
Volton is a combination of bad and also horrible to play against. If you're the first person the voltron player decides to kill, most of the time you're just dead and there's nothing you can do about it. Meanwhile if the voltron player is trying to kill one of your opponents it feels great because it means you basically have one entire fewer player to deal with because by the time they're done you have already got your win-condition online. It just fundamentally does not work in the multiplayer setting, barring luck or general incompetence from the people playing

>>96070654
>So it's worth building around
Ultimately please do what you think is fun anon.

But I'm going to give you my opinion:
No

I think there are probably even better options within the "exalted" archetype

Combo is a combination of bad and also horrible to play against. If you're the first person the combo player decides to kill, most of the time you're just dead and there's nothing you can do about it. Meanwhile if the combo player is trying to kill one of your opponents it feels great because it means you basically have one entire fewer player to deal with because by the time they're done you have already got your win-condition online. It just fundamentally does not work in the multiplayer setting, barring luck or general incompetence from the people playing

>>96070608
>>96070654
He's an old man from a bygone era, but he's fun. Do it.

>>96070702
Yeah I get that. But if you build the deck with all exalted cards, equipment and other enchantment buffs, he doesn't even need to be on the boar, right?

>>96070718
What did you mean by this? Combo kills everyone at the same time. If anything, its the exact opposite.

>>96070383
The floor in edh is
>tutor mana vault
>have 9 mana next turn
>colorless dark ritual each turn
Throw in the myriad of utility and stax artifacts at 1 cmc and him never dying in any deck that shits artifact tokens

>>96070716
>I think there are probably even better options within the "exalted" archetype
Such as?

>>96070719
He's literally me.

>>96070569
>>96070506
Name the cards these are for I'm at a loss

>>96070657
Woah only 18 mana and I can win the game?!?! Oh, it just prevents me from losing the game and only losing through direct non-commander damage, and only if the equipment isn't removed, and only if the creature isn't removed that's hosting the equipment.

okay...

>>96067953 (OP)
Leonardo Da Vinci could beat Luffy in a fight.

>>96070755
>I could play something and it could get removed?
Don't play magic if this is your go to excuse to why anything is bad.
Also, read pariah again, you aren't ever dealt damage, and as such you can not die to commander damage.

>>96070770
That's not the point - the point is you have an 18 mana sink that just stalls and doesn't actively work towards victory. Stalling isn't winning, it isn't even slowing down your opponent's game and arguably is painting a bigger target on the creature.

This would've been playable casually 10 years ago but not anymore. Any token combo deck could easily roll over that just through edicts or exile or mass sac, or whatever.

To reitterate because you seem a little slow: it isn't that it can be removed - it's that it doesn't do anything proactively for 18 mana

>>96070790
>He thinks you need to use all three.
>Again, he doesn't understand it's not really 18 mana even if you did because in a well build Voltron deck you're every paying equip costs anyway.
I sure love it when dumb people try and act smart.

>>96070604
>>96070608
No. There just aren't enough good exalted creatures to bother with and you're extremely vulnerable to wipes which can effortlessly cripple your strat. Filling your deck with a bunch of subpar creatures just to get a single +1/+1 from them is awful even at low bracket casual tables and you'll wind up adding so many equipment and auras to make up for how terrible most exalted creatures are that you'll lose the whole Exalted flavor to begin with.

If you want to make an Exalted Commander that works, go with Xenk and pile on auras. Once I ditched Rafiq for him my deck became infinitely more playable.

>>96070752
Oh, nothing. I was just in the process of generating images to try and build into a lora when anon made his post.

>>96070801
Board wipes are no problem for those colors.
>eldrazi monument
>sterling grove
>privileged position

There is so much protection. I really want to make it work.

>>96070642
They've been releasing "Do that damage to each opponent" legendaries like Vincent and support for them like pic related. They obviously understand the format is stagnating around combo and artifactfaggotry but they need to work their shit design focuses out of their systems before we start getting major support for other playstyles. We'll probably see a shift in Avatar and Lorwyn toward creatures and enchantments.

>>96070837
Maybe they should put shit like this in actual sets instead of unique limited secret lairs

>>96070819
2/3 of those cards don't stop wipes and the 3rd actively makes your Commander weaker as you sacrifice exalted boosts just to try and keep your board alive. Voltron is an aggressive deck that needs to hit the ground running and knocking people out fast or you're going to get shut out. If you have to wait until you got high cmc mass protection out just to build a board you're gonna have a bad time.

Go ahead and make the deck but you're going to wind up hating it and making it less and less about exalted as you try to fill in the gaps. Everyone who's tried to run Rafiq "pure" after 2019 can tell you this.

>>96070799
This is why Voltards get dunked on in 2025.

Yeah? How much did the free cast enchantment cost you? Why are you free casting and not winning outright?

You're playing Chinese Checkers and everybody else is playing Chinese Chess. You're trying to freecast asset protection while the Simic precon is cycling his whole deck to fish out an answer at instant speed for less mana. The Chainer player just edicted you twice and all your creatures are dead. Just admit it Superfriends, non-combo aggro and Voltron are dead.

Kys sloppers.

>>96070837
>Yeah I'll pay 7 mana to not deal commander damage to 2 players and slap a bunch of keywords that are all notably not protection on a creature that needs desperately to survive so this card's mana investment isn't instantly flushed down the drain
>"Why aren't players using these cards? We used Eldrazi Conscription (notoriously very good card) as the template and everything!"
I hate WotC so much sometimes.

>>96070837
>We'll see a shift towards creatures and enchantments
>He says as 3 formats are being raped by endless value production stapled onto creatures and enchantments

>>96070837
Haste on a 7 mana aura is so funny. It makes sense on a Sonic card, but still entirely useless.

>deck full of boardwipes/extra turns/etc.
>haste/triggered effect doublers/counterspells to protect her
would this annoy you personally? I play it against my friend since it amuses him (and he gets to play it) but I worry about playing it with other people. what should be added/removed??

>planeswalker jodah deck takes a 10 minute turn for the 5th time in the game to swing lethal
>inkshield and rip his head off next turn

so satisfying

>>96071137
It's truly amazing how rarely people consider inkshield, yet it's usually very easy to see coming because the mana cost is pretty fucking steep.

>>96071034
Echo storm, aminatou's augury and lots of ramp. You can thank me later when your opponents don't have a librabry anymore.

>>96071144
i was playing y'shtola, so i'm kinda just land pass and i'd done literally nothing all game so it was kinda out of nowhere

>>96070633
Posting your art on xitter without a watermark is an open invitation for anyone to do what they want with it.

>>96070642
voltron will always be a backup plan/your last stand when things go south, and will never be a good primary gameplan

>>96070863
>Superfriends, non-combo aggro and Voltron are dead
you know it's really bad when wotc is pushing brackets so that these archetypes at least have a home in bracket 2 but these retards reject the hand that tries to feed them

>>96071277
>>96070863
I kind of see what you mean with lower brackets being home to certain archetypes that the card game supports while the format does not.
So what are the archetypes that only exist in bracket 4+ then, that need access to higher power card stacks to become viable? Infinites chaining and MLD being to obvious two but those are just subtypes of combo and control.

>>96071237
NTA, and i actually support people putting art they like on their proxies

But that's not how shit works. Making up rules to justify yourself just makes you a childish asshole.

>>96071324
bracket 5 is cedh
bracket 4 is cedh, waifu edition
b4 is for people who can't move on from prossh/shaurum the hegemon, and those that really love *actual* women like yuna grand summoner or tifa martial artist
>mld
the only mld worth running in cedh are balance and limited resources (rightfully banned btw)
the rest are really for lower brackets but wotc irrationally hates armageddon-type effects so the best we're going to get moving forward is picrel

>>96071237
this

Would y'all consider this bracket 3? Got told to find Jesus when I played this in a bracket 2 game. Curious if the other guy was just salty or whether the deck is actually good enough to warrant the salt.
Deck is Adeline humans.
https://moxfield.com/decks/RpgugEuYD0u3QWa2bunEuw

>>96071344
>WotC finally prints the MLD I want
>Comes with a bit of a boardwipe
>All my decks that would love to run it aren't in red
What a shame. But at least we got something new.

>>96071361
>indominus rex
your opponent is just salty

>>96071368
oops, wrong deck
https://moxfield.com/decks/vs9x9oqfdUie9mrv4Fo1sQ this is the deck I was playing

>>96070642
Run fling effects or things like Chandra's ignition anon.

>>96071144
Inkshield is a fantastic card burdened by a retarded casting cost.

>>96071374
adeline, even as a better aggro commander than the usual, is still mono white and b2 has no GCs like smothering tithe, so this is a fine deck and your opponent is just salty

>>96071361
I barely consider it 2. Your opponent is a greedpile Timmy that doesn't want to have to put removal in his deck.

>>96071374
>mono white go wide
>One (1, uno, ein, ett) card that protects against boardwipes
>nothing even particularly fast
I guess based on the price of the deck you could argue that maybe it's not a bracket 2 (I personally wouldn't, I wouldn't mind it at all at a bracket 2 table), but I can't see anything there where it's any more egregious than most modern precons.

>>96071374
It's better than the Rex deck, but as the other anons said, it's still mono white. You might've just been lucky or the guy doesn't know what bracket 2 is, cause this looks fair as fuck.

>>96071390
I thought so, makes sense to me
>>96071395
>>96071403
Even though this is a casual deck, this still hurts me on some level. Fair enough though haha.

Can I get some advice on how to improve this deck?

https://moxfield.com/decks/_Qoa7zrlzkWqYhM8eu0XZw

>>96068453
Calm down, chud. Magic is an inclusive hobby now and it's more successful as a result.

Is Nekusar still a super hated commander? I remember people getting really mad when I used mine. I've been away from magic since the first half of Khans and I was thinking about touching up my deck and maybe removing the wheels since I think that's what pissed people off.
Also dumb question, how does Sydri work with Vehicles and Space Stations and the like?

>>96071509
Generally yes, in my experience. People that haven't played against it before are generally amused to play once and try to deal with their glut of card draw but quickly become annoyed when your damage pops off on a wheel. People hate wheels.

>>96071509
>does Sydri work
If it's not a creature, it makes it a creature
If it isn't a creature, it gains keywords

>>96071340
No, that's exactly how it works. If they actually cared they'd include a watermark, one of those 'do not repost' stamps or a copyright claim. Or, they wouldn't have made it available to the general public in the first place.

>>96071498
>now

>>96070642
That's why my Voltron commander is Alexios. Fuck trying to kill people one at a time only on my turn, He's gonna swing every turn, whether you like it or not.

>>96070863
None of those are dead. You dont play the game you larp on edhg

>>96071374
Yes this is a 3

>>96071571
I've got an Alexios deck and it's pretty fun. Handing the table a loaded gun and forcing them to shoot each other just feels so good.

I also have a Trynn+Silvar voltron deck that makes use of Worldslayer and board wipes, which is probably the only real other way to play voltron at higher levels.

MLD SUCKS! If you weren’t gated to slowly rebuilding your land base one turn at a time it wouldn’t be so annoying

They should print an Armageddon that puts an emblem down letting players play as many lands as they want from then on

>>96071623
>rebuilding after a mass land wipe sucks
The primary reason MLD is banned. Retards will just yolo an Armageddon and hope for the best but all that does is drag the game out. Mass land wipes should only be played if you are ahead, as a way to cripple your opponents and guarantee a win.

>>96071645
Identifying that point in the game where you are that far ahead and knowingly using tools to shut down the opposition seems a tough skill for newbies. And even then at 4cmc most decks are going to have a pathetic kill clock with just 6 cumulative mana to have built a board state with.

Timmys are obsessed with board wipes in general

>>96071344
6 lands of your choice is barely punitive. I can see why wotc lets this one slide and even in a precon.

>>96071344
>the only mld worth running in cedh
Is none of them, not a single one. You have no idea what you're talking about start to finish.
>>96071365
Its a lot more mana but white has this effect as well, urzas Sykes I think

>>96071702
If your deck can't win o. 6 lands you're either running some serious jank or you have enough ramp to quicky come back from this anyways.

>>96071725
Yeah exactly. 6 mana game enders are a dime a dozen, titan cycle showed me that. RIP PRIME TIME LOVE U FOREVER

>>96070837
>super sonic isn't invulnerable

>>96071813
He isn't in the games either anon, he's just very strong and has rings to protect himself.

>>96071509
Fair (wheelless) Nekusar is generally liked in my experience. wheels in any form is not. People generally don't care about Commanders, even stax heavy ones. They do care about their cards being fucked with, even if you're replacing them most times a player doesn't want to discard and draw unless it's on their terms.

Whether or not this is a justified mindset is irrelevant, just know most players will archenemy the discard player.

>>96071509
The problem with Nekusaur is even if you make a 'fair' neku you'll be targeted by those thinking you're playing an unfair one and lying

>>96071723
I use Blood Moon, Winder Orb and Armageddon in my Winota deck. All three can be back breaking after Winota hits the board.

OK so from what anons are saying here, Voltron decks are not really any kind of threat, but can you still do decent with small to medium sized guys with equipment draw/focus and a shit ton of "creature fights" cards?

>>96071895
Voltron is an interaction check. as the voltron player you'll either drive over your opponents or eat so much removal you are out of the game by turn 4.
look at the rise and fall of Slicer.

>>96071895
There are exception for the viability of Voltron decks. I have seen Uril fuck up entire table because no one had edict, or mass exile effects. My Thrun the Last Troll deck also becomes hard to fuck with once he gets Vigilance and Reach. If your voltron commander isn't running Green or has no inherent protection you are probably going to have a bad time.

>>96071692
Wrong
-Timmy

Simple, elegant design

>>96072222
Holy based and checked

>>96072222
You mean designslop?

This has been so much fun to shut down decks, more so after FF released.

>>96072222
This setting is the epitome of designslop and we're not even halfway through it yet

custom card time

Yo lets talk about the lobster. How do we make it good? We'll need some alt wincons beside burning with him

>>96072268
Cheeky and mean, I like it.

>>96071987
I mentioned my commander a few threads back since I got a friend that gave it to me as a gift, funny enough.
I'm starting to come up with an idea on how to make a kind of midrange thing that lets anyone become a plan B Voltron due to having low to medium cost creatures like Cid and his flying or Tifa with some surprise trample effects.
My main goal is either going aggro if they're super passive, or shift to a more defensive options like phasing out my dudes and lifelink, try and get Sigarda out to make my legendary guys annoying as fuck to deal with (and because sacrifice is gay and lame since I'm building tall on dudes) and bring back creatures from the graveyard as needed.
Think the only thing I don't know how to deal with is land destruction since most of my draw I'm trying to ramp super hard with and if my lands get blown the fuck out I might as well scoop.
I don't expect to be crazy competitive but I like the mental idea of the deck being almost like fencing in a way, punishing passive rounds with a forward thrust and deflecting and repositioning against aggressive strikes and I'm 100% aware that is autistic as fuck

>>96072332
>with is land destruction since most of my draw I'm trying to ramp super hard with and if my lands get blown the fuck out I might as well scoop.
Very few people will do this. At most you'll have a useful utility land popped.
Try not to get caught in midrange hell. Having answers(path, beast within, chaos warp for example) will let you get swings in if they've got their own stuff to block with

>>96072268
I honestly wonder how anybody can run a mono deck. I feel like if I were playing full red and got hit with a protection from red on creatures I'd blow my brains out

>>96072316
Is this a worm reference
Whats the other side?

>>96072356
Mono decks are very fun, you get to run so many more cards that aren't desperate fixing, you can run shit like blood moon or wave of vitriol and watch wedgefags commit seppuku.

Protection and color hosing has gotten better across the board too, since as players run more and more colors on their commander they're more likely to get fucked by it. Dream tides alone has generated near infinite salt from simic players

>>96072367
Yeah, it's one, and Battles don't need an other side. That's a Siege thing. They can essentially just be "enchantment that you can beat up"

>>96072374
>>96072367
here's some cards for my favorite characters

>>96072356
It stops more than monodecks usually.
I had it shut down a tidus last week

>>96072374
All battles are sieges though?
I thought they gave up on non siege ones

>>96072404
They haven't done any Battles but they're apparently going to make more at some point, not necessarily Sieges

I tried to make Brigone work, I really did. She's just too dang slow. I was looking over FF cards and noticed this nigga. He's pretty fucking good right? Same gameplan but far stronger.

>>96072394
Love these, though leviathan seems like it should make use of the flood counters/flooded lands and not just make them.
He was using the water to absolutely obliterate paras

>>96072332
You will never experience land destruction

>>96072356
You realize this shuts down any multicolored green creature right..?

>>96072245
>>96072289
Just stop hating triggered abilities

>>96072474
>shuts down
It's a shit ass narrow hatebear kid

>>96072222
Trying to figure out what I could cut from my Hazezon deck to slot this fella in

>>96072608
Triggered abilities are great, a design philosophy that boils each color down to stereotypes and then just lists effects sequentially for each color on the card is lazy.

I say this ever time, but one day these cards will be designed by AI and you will be wondering how it all went wrong.

>>96072424
>1 mana more than Tymna
>no partner
>only triggers off itself and dragons
It's shit

>>96072647
Retard

I love this card.
Not because it's good but the amount of times I've popped it to dip out and stretch my legs for a couple of turns or hit the bathroom can't be ignored

>>96072319
>We'll need some alt wincons beside burning with him

Your wincon will be making so many references that the rest of table cripples themselves from clapping and cheering so hard they can't keep physically playing their cards

>>96072629
Why would i care if the cards are designed by AI?

>>96072319
Why would you need that? 2 turn cycles and the table is dead by him

>>96072720
>I don't care about the quality of the games I play
Then I guess there's nothing anyone can say.

>>96072740
How will cards being designed by AI make them worse quality anon?

>>96072747
Is AI known for its brilliance and nuance? Or is AI known for hallucinating complete nonsense?

>>96072786
I just had OpenAI make this and while its nothing special its a completely serviceable magic card

Alyxar, the Rebirth Queen 2BG

Deathtouch, Lifelink
Whenever Alyxar, The Rebirth Queen attacks or blocks, you may choose one — create a 2/2 green Saproling creature token; or return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on it.

Rebirth Cycle
At the beginning of your end step, if a creature you control died this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control that shares a creature type with that creature.

>the ur-dragon
>is also w, b, and g

>>96072826
>UB
>not all UB

AI cards are bad but they're also generally really fucking funny

>>96072829
the way that the AI doesn't really understand the rules at all and is just sorta autocompleting with words used a lot in cards produces the funniest shit

>>96072802
Okay, now generate a further 1800 cards and you'll be close to how many cards are printed a year.

>>96072860
There are NOT 1800 unique cards printed a year lmfao. What you meant was "oh I didn't know AI had improved and I was wrong"

>>96072802
How do I use openai

>>96072844
THAT'S THE WALL BROTHER

>>96072879
I googled openAI clicked the first link and said "design me a two colored legendary creature magic card". First time! Surprisingly easy!

>>96072870
>>96072927
1 – 60 of 1,143 cards where the card is available on Paper and the release year = 2025 and the card is the first printing

how people make arguments and build decks without knowing some basic scryfall syntax is beyond me.

>>96071237
Doesn't make you efforts any less lazy or soulless, which was the actual point. You're free to do what you like, but don't act like you aren't making slop too.

>>96072870
>What you meant was "oh I didn't know AI had improved and I was wrong"
No what I mean is you cherrypicked 1 good result. If I even choose to accept it was AI.

Wizards prints 6 standard sets a year, an indeterminate number of precons, and other sets like Modern Horizons, Commander Masters etc.
There's roughly 300 cards per set. Some of them are reprints, sure, but 1800 is by no means an outlandish estimate

What you meant was "oh I'd never really thought about how many cards they print a year and I was wrong"

>>96072870
You're right, they print more

https://scryfall.com/search?q=year%3A2024+not%3Areprint+not%3Aalchemy&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name if you want to verify yourself

>>96072935
Im not sure what youre so mad about? On average there is not 1800 cards printed a year. Nor is 1100 1800. Magic has been around for over 30 years and there isnt even 30000 unique cards

>>96072991
See>>96072993
Average is around 1000 as again, there isnt even 1000 cards per year this games been around
>>96072979
>I was wrong but I wont admit it
Ya i know that

>>96072829
I got something cracked

>>96073019
What are you using to get this

>>96073021
>>96072927
I followed anons instructions

>>96072870
>>96072993
>>96073000
>Wizards of the Coast printed roughly 2,000 new, unique Magic: The Gathering cards during 2024 — not including reprints or variant art editions.
>According to community-collected spoiler data around mid‑2024, over 1,400 cards had already been released by July, with a projection of 4,000–5,000 total spoilers (including reprints) by year’s end
>A separate discussion indicated that 2024 was the first year where more than 2,000 new cards were released
reddit.com
>So, by the end of 2024, the number of newly printed (non‑reprinted) MTG cards was just over the 2,000 mark.

How do I know if I’m a timmy?

>>96073041
Do you play dinos or dragons?

>>96073041
Do you just care about big numbers and windmill slamming?
If you answered yes to this, you are a timmy.

>>96073041
Are you gon do shit?

>>96073043
I started with dinos, now I play a wider range of decks. I’m considering dragons.
I like smashy decks.
>>96073049
Big numbers are cool.
It’s over for me.

>>96073041
what's your favorite color
what's your favorite card
what deck do you like playing the most right now

Does Maldavius Figtree post in these threads?
>gets told 1800 new cards a year is a reasonable estimate for the game
>denies it
>acts smug replying to multiple people over and over again saying it wasn't nearly that many
>look it up
>actually 2000 in 2024
>goes silent

>>96073057
I'm sorry, it's terminal

>>96073060
I didnt go silent. As I have repeatedly said there aren't even 30000 cards in the game, so clearly there is not an average of 1800 a year. There also isnt any actual trend to follow as you have recent years with more cards than the following. And if you just go back to 2020 it drops right back down to 1200. But either way im fairly certain AI could do 1800 here's another perfectly serviceable magic card it made

>>96073071
>there aren't even 30000 cards in the game, so clearly there is not an average of 1800 a year.
You acknowledge in your own post that the number of cards each year varies, and yet you still say something this retarded.
>There also isnt any actual trend
>And if you just go back to 2020 it drops right back down to 1200.
That's great, anon. Now how many were printed in 2024 again? 2000 was it? Now...that's more than 1800 isn't it...?
And 2024 would be a more recent example than 2020 wouldn't it? So it would be more indicative of current trends?

>I was wrong but I wont admit it
Ya i know that

Final Fantasy is the greatest set they've ever released

>>96073057
There isn't anything inherently wrong with being a Timmy

>>96073071
There's been 1200 unique, new cards released this year and we're only halfway through. Like 90% of them are worthless too.

>>96069800
Me too. I started last November and bought this guy before realizing he was banned.

>>96073059
Red. I love red draw.
The humble Thrill of Possibility and any similar discard and draw spells. There’s too many favorite creatures to pick one.
I’m currently playing an upgraded Bello precon and have ordered a scratch built Captain Howler deck.

>>96073096
Please be gentle anon, his ego (and hairline) can only take so much.

>>96072332
UB is gay as hell my nigga, but since you’re an alright guy, Double Strike is severely underutilized by a lot of players, so have some good on connect effects like the “Sword of”’s and Nature’s Will.

>>96073071
around 2000 cards were printed on 2024. 1921 in 2023. 2.200 in 2023. 1920 in 2022.
so yeah, the average number of cards IS around 2000. it only sounds smaller because they used to print way less cards a decade or two ago but that is clearly not the rhythm they're working at these days.

>>96073088
>numbers vary
Yes... thats what averages are used for. Im sorry you were wrong, here is another magic card. Here's another one, a common! Even the flavor text is better than wotcs

>>96073107
>hairline
cool it with the hatespeech

>>96073117
2024 was 2,186 exactly,
To put that in perspective in 2014 the unique cards printed was only 820

>>96069800
Because he's stupidly overpowered in any green, nevermind monogreen deck whatsoever?
>yeah let me have 7 mana by turn 3 with no downside whatsoever lol

>>96073071
>As I have repeatedly said there aren't even 30000 cards in the game, so clearly there is not an average of 1800 a year
You have to be a special kind of fucking retarded to compare the last 5 years with the first 5 years of the game.

>>96073117
>the average is higher if I dont include the years that bring it down!
What stunning insight, its also 1200 in 2020 and 2019

>we should make less cards for the explicit purpose of making worse cards with AI
?????

>>96073134
Im not? I am taking the average of all 30 years of the game anon. But what you are saying is bizarre because some of the biggest sets in magic were from before 2010

>>96073136
which was before they started releasing extra sets each year

>>96073125
>>96073136
>"look at this one AI card I printed!!!!"
>okay you're going to need 1800 more to meet current trends
>"nah uh they don't print 1800 cards a year!"
>have in fact printed more than that for the last 4 years
>"b-b-but if you average out the total number of cards ever printed!!!!!"
Lmao just take the L you fucking retard. No one ever said anything about the average of the games entire run. You were told they print 1800 cards a year currently, you didn't believe it because you're fucking dumb, and that's all there is to it.
Come on anon, give us a sweet little "I was wrong, I'm sorry" it won't kill you.

>>96072829
wait how the fuck do you even resolve thi

>>96073136
>they release more cards on average per year now
>yeah but what about when they didn't
????

>>96073140
wasn't his point that he thinks they *are already* making cards with AI and the argument is over whether their team can sort out enough printable cards versus garbage?

Doing my first two headed giant commander event soon and I have no idea what I'm doing.

>>96073151
That was the point, you can't.
>>96073156
Getting ready for pain. I didn't a 3v3 team commander game once, it was one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had. 2 headed giant might be a little less aids, but I doubt it.

>>96073155
They need to make cards that aren't good or draft as a format doesn't work.

do you have a deck that can end the game if you untap with your commander

>>96073057
Every table needs a Timmytard to suck up removal so the real players can win. That's you!

>>96073157
Maldy Faggotry syndrome. Just a whole generation of mid-wits who can never admit when they're wrong, even if it's demonstrated step by step to them

>>96073151
Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land or costs 0, stop there. If it's 1 cost, mill it. If it's 2 cost, you're fucked

>>96073165
>I didn't a 3v3 team commander game once, it was one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had
I have a friend who's completely fascinated by larger games. Every time we do a 3v3 it's the worst motherfucking game I've ever played. I don't know how or why people enjoy these things

>>96073170
Untap? If Shao Jun resolves I win.

>>96073175
>>96073157
>say on average that isnt the case
>its not
>retards cant accept that magic has existed for for than 4 years (cause if you go back more than 4 its not even arguable)

>>96073170
I have a UR nondeterministic storm deck, yes.

>>96073165
My dearly beloved but kinda retarded wife will be my other head so I imagine that it will be a little painful yeah.
She's still not decided on a commander but It's probably going to Kotis.

>>96073200
>>say on average that isnt the case
Note how you only said that after you were proven wrong on what you said first?
Do we need a little refresher?

>>96072860
>Okay, now generate a further 1800 cards and you'll be close to how many cards are printed a year.
>>96072870
>There are NOT 1800 unique cards printed a year lmfao. What you meant was "oh I didn't know AI had improved and I was wrong"
>>96072935
>1 – 60 of 1,143 cards where the card is available on Paper and the release year = 2025 and the card is the first printing
>>96073000
>Average is around 1000 as again, there isnt even 1000 cards per year this games been around

>>96073142
>2010
689 unique cards
>2004
743
>>1997
785

You're just wrong anon

>>96073170
Teshar wins when he hits the board

>>96073170
narset usually i dont play it a lot anymore though because the turns take awhile and it kinda falls apart without her

>>96073194
trip back on

>>96073091
Nah it's AIDS.

>>96073170
almost every game i get to untap with omnath i usually end the game on the spot

>>96073170
I did but instantly winning with Garth got boring so I broke it apart.

>>96073183
I think team games are fun but we usually do star instead of 2HG

>>96073156
the only time i played 2 headed giant was me and my buddy both playing necrons

why do people say "crack" whenever they sacrifice a fetch land, why not just say sac

>>96073427
>he's never cracked open a bear

>>96073444
>bear
So you're responsible for pic related?

>>96073170
nah, I find that invariably you just end up putting a giant target on your back. You either get gang raped 3v1 because nobody wants your shit on the board or you manage to get an ez pz win, which also feels a little unsatisfying

>>96073427
White people love jargon

whats the best bang for buck equip to make this bitch do a million

Why is this general so pro slop

>>96073427
It's retarded slang for pro players

>>96073463
You mistake frequent posters for the majority of posters anon

>>96073474
you mistake the minority of posters for the majority of posters, very stupid choice but it supports your imaginary worldview

>>96073463
The word slop has become slop

>>96073462
If you able to ping boards, buck 50

>>96073427
have you ever cooked in real life using eggs?

>>96073508
SLOP
Standards Lowering Outputting Product

>>96073462
Get yourself an Excalibur

>>96070852
Ok. So what is a good voltron with equipment? Gisela RW still valid?

>>96073579
im going to crack my sakura tribe elder
im gonna use my carrion feeder to crack my tokens

>>96073132
Mono green needs to have some advantage. Don't like it, run removal.

>>96073692
the first one yeah, the second one I've never heard it used in that situation.
"I'll feed my tokens to" or "I'll have carrion feeder eat my tokens" sure.

>>96068071
damn that bitch was the deck with my highest winrate, never lost lmao
shot it into the aether

>>96073740
Shes been doing great for me

>>96068071
I built Jaxis instead

Be honest with me, can Zoidberg cut it as a cEDH commander?

>>96073789
Who cares? Play real cedh

>>96073789
>2CMC
>Artifacts archetype which already has tons of support
>Damage effect is to EACH opponent
My inclination is to say yes, but the fact that his ability can't all be easily triggered in a single turn leaves him pretty vulnerable to interruption.

>>96073789
yeah goes infinite with a few things most notably the soda machine

How do I make this viable

>>96073789
lmao

>>96073877
>Nontoken

>>96073884
>cEDH

>>96073871
It needs more then just the soda machine because he only untaps once a turn and you need a second source of life gain each turn. Putting lifelink on him should be pretty easy though.

>>96073885
Oh right, tokens don't exist in CEDH

>>96073893
Clunky do-nothing Boros commanders sure as hell don't

>>96073267
stupid value shit wedge with the most obnoxious playpattern imaginable.
this shit should have been digital-only

>>96073906
Ok

>>96073936
I accept

>>96073893
can he win before rog/si can turn 3 win or can he put up good interaction to stop thoracle or food chain combos?

>>96073463
Mankind craves the slop. Why do you think power fantasy isekai anime/manga is so popular? It's not because it's well-written. It's because it's slop, and mankind craves slop.
This is also the reason Magic is making more money than ever despite the game being in its worst state ever. The players want slop and WotC is more than capable of delivering.

>>96073969
This is true. It's why I don't play with any cards past the Lowyrn block.

>>96073969
>despite the game being in its worst state ever.
Its not?

>>96073939
Accept that you're wrong? Thanks

>>96073915
lol

>>96073984
Okay fine, "worst state ever" was right after Ikoria's release but the design philosophy is still really bad because it carries all the same principles.

custom card again

>>96073998
This is just that "Show off your Megatron for {B}" shitpost but as an AI card

>>96073969
What does this flavor text mean

>>96074006
It's a prophecy of how fucking retarded people end up becoming.

>>96074006
this guy's belief is so strong that even clear evidence that he's wrong cannot dissuade it

>Friend says Aesi and Damia are peak design that are fun to build
>But Tymna is a poorly designed and boring card
Am I missing something? All three of these seem like generic value engines, it's just that one of them is good enough for cEDH.

>>96073998
finally i can show off my favourite garbage cards without ever actually having to play them

>>96074006
hes a 4chan poster

>>96073997
Is that the one with that fucking awful, awful day night cycle shit? Because I'm still mad at how the devs fucked on werewolves released under that

>Blue player has like 15 cards in hand
>Using a gamble effect
>Person pulls the card he searches 4
>Says "we're doing it again, that was bullshit"
>Scoops when the table tells him to fuck off.
Fuck blue players

>>96074032
Ikoria was companions and mutate. Around that time was also FG/Swat bring printed along with Golos.

>>96073986
Feminine post

>>96070438
that's wren and six

>>96073877
Is this a cedh commander

>>96074034
>Blue
>Gamble
Anon that's a red player.

>>96074006
planeswalkers aren't real

>>96074057
>Gamble effect

>>96068450
you know the dance - post list phaggot
>>96068528
absolute insight

>>96074034
what gamble effect does blue have?

>>96074006
You be an retarded

>>96074020
No defense for Aesi, but Damia does pose a unique ask of the player in order to get any value. She's a good example of the types of trade-off cards they don't really make any more

>>96074032
Lurk moar

>>96074057
>>96074064
>>96074070
>a blue player can never ever ever ever have another identity in the deck

Bravo, Team

>>96074084
u didnt say UR doe

>>96074064
https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Adiscard-outlet-random+id%3E%3Du&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>3 cards
>All include red
>One requires it

>>96073444
>>96073579
>food analogue
you don't sacrifice food irl

>>96067953 (OP)
op card is funny bad

>>96074084
>Uses red card
>Say "blue player"
No color has mindbroken people as hard as blue where you can literally play a monoR card and people will still call it blue.

>>96074006
he is a retard

>>96074104
not him but theres a handful of artifacts that do it as well though none of them are very good

>>96074083
I'd counterpoint that if you have no playables in a full hand with 7+ mana open, this is a colossal mistake for any deck.

>>96074115
Or you are too retarded to understand that a commander that has blue in it still means you're playing blue.

>>96074129
I sorted by blue identity because he said "blue player". Of the 44 cards that make you discard at random, 40 are red. The remaining 4 are extremely bad to the point no sane player would run them in any deck unless it was for a gimmick, and one of them is monoblack.

>>96074144
he's being autistic for taking you exactly literally, but you still left out information for no reason and it's currently confusing people. just say " player" next time

>>96074144
>Red card
>"FUCKING BLUE PLAYERS!!!"
Utterly mindbroken.

>>96074104
I really want to make a retard gambling deck with shit like Triple Triad

>>96074115
some people just genuinely never mentally recover from getting counterspelled in their first game of magic

>>96074157
triple triad is a respectable card game though, no gambling like those disreputable games like "poker" or "magic the gathering"

>>96074154
I chose to interpret him literally because I find it more fun to heckle people every time they complain about blue even when their complaints are unfounded.

>>96074134
Sure, but that's the minimum. Casting one spell a turn with Damia out means you get your draw step back. Woo. And your other draw spells are effectively "turned off" since you stop getting anything if you go over seven cards and can't get rid of them fast enough.
The ask to get maximum value is:
>Discard engine strategy
>Small enough spells or enough ramp to play most of your hand every round

It's a compelling enough deckbuilding ask to be definitely not comparable to EZ mode shit like Aesi.

All this yelling and nobody thought to ask what the gamble card actually WAS

>>96074188
no, I know why you're doing it. if you were really that autistic you wouldn't be functional enough to post.

>>96074055
Infinitely closer than the crab

>>96074115
not my problem the blue tard has 15 cards in hand and feels the need to gamble instead of just drawing even more

>>96073877
this dude is so fun in duel commander

>>96074212
I'll give you that much. I'm still at a loss over this guy's MtG opinions though. Like he'll see any build-around Commander and call it trash design, but then call Aesi peak.
He only ever played EDH yet he complained about how the game became "just about creatures" over time, when you would think someone with this mentality would not exclusively play "lynchpin creature: the format".
His card analysis is all over the place, for example viewing Ocelot Pride and saying "this is a terrible card because WotC hates white", yet says the Endstone is busted.

>>96074276
wait, do you know whiteschizo personally lol

>>96074251
>Red player makes redbrain decision and plays red card with chance to backfire
>He gets upset when it backfires
>"BLUE PLAYERS!!!!!!"

>>96074222
the only cards i could see being played in that situation would either be gamble itself or wild research

>>96074286
I don't think he's whitescizo, but it definitely reminded me of him when he dropped that take where he looked at one of the most overloaded one-drops in the game's history and said "this card looks like ass"

>>96074276
Sounds like a typical edhonly who never really learned combat so he doesn't appreciate it. In his view respectable magic players should ramp or draw until combat math doesn't matter. Sprinkle in a dash of repeating things he's heard other people say and there you go.
Take this critique with humility, as you share a playgroup with him and a man is only as good as the company he keeps.

>>96074311
This is even funnier
>OP called him a blue player
>he was actually jeskai playing a red card

>>96074398
Does Jeskai have blue it in?
Playing Jeshai is playing blue. Sorry you are too retarded to understand this.

>>96072829
Grok came up with this

>>96074445
Based MechaHitler

>>96074445
>alchemy card
yeah it sucks

>>96074445
>have to tap her 3 times for the big payoff
>no way to untap her
That's actually kind of neat if expensive

>>96074463
Are you dumb?

>>96074465
Yes, i read it as turn
Gomenasorry anon

Sorta tossing around ideas for Mono-White Knights right now, and I'm considering the obvious stuff like Extraplanar + Snow-Covered basics, but I'm also thinking about this. In Mono-White, there are 3 Knights and an Instant that produces a Knight token that all have Banding along with Baton of Morale for 2: Target creature gains Banding until end of turn
I'm genuinely thinking about doing it. Especially because there's also Cathedral of Serra that gives all of my white legendary creatures Bands with other Legendary Creatures.
>Knights of Thorn
>3W 2/2 with Protection from Red and Banding
>Kjeldoran Knight
>WW 1/1 with Banding and 1W: +1/+0 until end of turn and WW: +0/+2 until end of turn
>Kjeldoran Skyknight
>2W 1/1 with Flying, First Strike, and Banding
It could be pretty funny...

>>96072222
We really need to stop begging Wotc to bring back old creature types because it often seems to end up as a monkeys paw situation

>>96074445
It made a bulk rare this time

>>96074489
Yeah two less generic and it would be useable

>>96070506
It's not. Do what makes you happy, anon. Have fun, bring joy to your table.

>>96074496
>giving bad advice

>>96073213
So Per year != Average

>>96074496
you cute

>>96074489
this makes me wonder why there isn't a red version of Martial Coup.

martial coup in every color

>>96074416
>D-Drop in the bucket!
You lost this war 80 years ago, chud.

>>96074483
>Banding
>the big 25
Not using google, explain how banding works in a way that is simple and doesn't ruin the game at any table.

>>96073998
Lmao, would love to have a card like this in paper. Could do everything from monologuing your evil plan or unapologetically displaying a banned/socially unacceptable card.
>t1 island, sol ring, signet
>cast will of the prescript revealing a second copy of sol ring from my deck

>>96074559
>white
>martial coup
>blue
uh, X birds? mill X? >=5 draw cards?
>black
X >=5 can be -X/-X, but black doesn't have an easy token for this. zombies are usually an XX cost for effects like this.
>red
the aforementioned X damage to each creature and X elementals. could make either the >=5, but the parallel says make that the damage.
>green
make an X/X and make it fight X>=5 creatures is the most creative I can be here.

>>96074599
On offense (Me attacking): Any number of boys with banding (and up to 1 without) can attack together. They get blocked together and I decide all combat damage related to that block
On defense (Me blocking): Boys with banding blocking a creature mean I decide all combat damage related to that block
The really short version is "If these boys are involved, I choose combat damage assignment (also fuck tramplers)"

>playing an event
>only allows one tutor
Do I throw a demonic in there

>>96074649
So how does that work if 1 of them has menace or is unblockable? Can a single creature block all of these? Can a single band block a creature with menace? Can a band block 2 creatures?

>>96074496
This is exactly what is wrong wit this general and proxy makers specifically. It is NEVER acceptable to make AI garbage.

>>96073041
The only real difference between a Timmy and a Johnny nowadays is how much you like drawing cards.

>>96074743
But they both like drawing cards

>>96074705
Touch grass.

>>96074757
Timmy enjoys a good draw or two, getting to feel his big boy creatures turn into cantrips is always a blast.

Johnny, however, is only happy while literally flipping his deck upside down.

>>96074704
So, lemme address these one at a time
>Menace or is Unblockable
Whenever any creature is blocked in a band, all of them become blocked, so you can't skate by with Flying or Unblockable if you're attaching yourself to another creature without it. Honestly, I don't really know why you'd put an Unblockable creature in a band anyway, but that's a different question
>Can a single creature block all of these
If any creature in a band becomes blocked, they all become blocked by the blocker. So your 1/1 could block, let's say my Kjeldoran Knight who is in a band with a Flying Doublestriker and that would block both of them, and obviously I'd decide the damage (but the double striker would probably kill the 1/1 before the second damage step anyway) but due to no trample, it would just block both at 0 consequence other than death
>Single band blocking menace
Banding doesn't make the creature into more creatures, so if I had 1 guy with Banding, I couldn't block the Menace creature
>can a band block two creatures
I BELIEVE, if I recall correctly, blocking "as a band" means they have to be declared blocking the same creature. For example, if you attacked with 2 4/4 Beasts and I have 2 2/2 Knights with Banding, I couldn't declare each one blocking a beast and then decide damage calcs for both beasts as if they were blocked by both creatures, only 1 creature each. If you swung with a 4/4 Beast and I blocked it with 2 2/2 Knights, I could assign your damage to overkill one Knight and leave the other alive while still killing the Beast.
If I'm recalling my Banding nonsense correctly, this should all be right.

>>96074758
Ask me how I know you have a folder of AI lolicon pedo

>>96074647
black can be rats, no?

>>96074813
because he's posting on 4chan?

>>96074816
they'd probably all need to be strongly themed. martial coup is themed around soldiers, so whatever the other ones are would have to be similar. the issue there is that rats are usually strongly tied to discard. the could all just be "whatever tribe/token the current set has for that color."

>>96073969
What if the transitory period of card games becoming the main socially accepted activity by the entire planet involved what we're going through right now? Do people from the old days before card games became dominant in Wizard's Soul and Yugioh complain about slop? Did Solomon Muto complain about slop when card games first came out or is Kuriboh basically his world's fucking Mickey Mouse?

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>>96074813
Because I'm a tranny/faggot/woman/nigger?

>>96071237
>without a watermark
Ai can remove watermarks now. Pretty seamlessly

>>96074831
Bloomburrow rats have -1/-1 effects

>>96071723
You are an idiot that cant even read a full sentence
>>96071854
Winota, as strong as she is, isnt top tier in cedh even with blood moon, winter orb and co; in fact those cards are just concessions that balance and limited resources are the best mld, so good that they are banned

>>96071987
Uril is one of the best voltrons as he has built in protection, is in the protection colors, and combos well with mld for an old school ernhamgeddon strat
Problem is even wirh 3 turn clock it's still likely that one or 2 of your 3 opponents will recover so it's not even a guaranteed win