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Anonymous No.96069126 >>96069154
Join the suo harem
Anonymous No.96069154 >>96069158
>>96069126
The irrelevant 5...
Anonymous No.96069158 >>96069177
>>96069154
suo will win against erika and win deluxe
Anonymous No.96069177
>>96069158
Erika will beat Suo while staying at 3 damage
Anonymous No.96069635 >>96069947
The new episode was peak and now I want doujins with Kagetsu and Ruka having fights(sex) for three days and three nights culminating with Kagetsu proposing with an epilogue of him wearing a wedding ring still running his shop while Ruka goes back to America as a recognized pro having a ton of fights(sex) with other men
Anonymous No.96069759 >>96069781 >>96071000
Michiru was looking at Ruka's boobs.
Anonymous No.96069781
>>96069759
based
Anonymous No.96069947 >>96071527
>>96069635
He shot his shot, you gotta respect it
Anonymous No.96070133 >>96071000 >>96071057 >>96071203 >>96095460
>The Third Mythisch, "Heljasstvnir" Helgvarr
>G1
>AUTO: When placed {by your card ability}, search your deck for up to 1 and add it to your hand. {Order searcher}
>AUTO: At the end of the battle this unit boosted, COST [put this unit into your soul], and Counter Charge (1).
Is Veissrugr saved?
Anonymous No.96070987 >>96072373
Ah, so this confirms that Michiru defeated Ruka last season. Someone add it to the wiki pls.
Anonymous No.96071000
>>96070133
Not until he gets his power creep triple driving boss upgrade.

>>96069759
As he should. Her dress is provocative and her overall style is bizarre like a prostitutes thats on the road.
Anonymous No.96071057
>>96070133
This admittedly does a lot for the deck but I don't think it's enough.
Anonymous No.96071203
>>96070133
From what I saw in the board states, it's probably EB3 to rip a from deck, since Kagetsu had no energy at the end of his turn.

>didn't forget to charge his Energy, since he had some charged by the end of Ruka's grade 2 turn
> Roztnir used a counterblast to draw during his final turn, and he only used the skill once since his hand size started at 5
>called 2, went -0 off of Gullmani since he went up to 6 from 5 with Helgvarr's skill
> ended on 7 hand cards due to the draw trigger, so there isn't a discard cost on paper
>Helgvarr never used CB herself since she went into soul before Veiss' CB when Kagetsu had 1 face down damage and
ended with all 4 face down in a combination of Roztnir, Veissruger and Garzorums' effects
>Helgvarr was the last card in his soul by the end of the game, Kagetsu soulblasted his ride line and then SC'd her,
meaning there isn't a SB cost
Helgvarr is very like EB3 on place, at the very least by card effect though possibly on regular call, to rip a from
deck at no other cost and add it to hand in a +1 to hand, which would be pretty fair since Lithosargour is straight up draw
1 for EB3 when placed and this filters out extremely key pieces of its deck on top of that, but likely requires an effect to do
so as a condition.

This is ultimately a compression of Bobalmine and Pantera the Slasher for Energy instead of dropping a hand card and
doesn't recycle it back to the bottom after use, but it will cost you a regular Moon Gate use unless you run that damn
RR dracokid and saw it the turn prior, and all that does is zero sum the soul she gives in addition of requiring waiting a
turn unless you either don't Moon Gate on grade 2 or went second.
Is it also just me, or does Helgvarr kind of look like a genderbent Greion from a distance?
Anonymous No.96071527
>>96069947
We need more characters to be this bold
Anonymous No.96072373
>>96070987
>Payback time
lol
She's jobbing on the semis
Anonymous No.96072565 >>96072980
>Kagestu is a cucklord simp
Pathetic. We need a character who doesn't respect women.
Anonymous No.96072576 >>96072715
Remember we have canon sex in overdress
Anonymous No.96072715 >>96081817
>>96072576
They fumbled so hard with the fujo landwhale pandering in Overdress. I wonder if Yumejos self insert as anyone in DZ?
Anonymous No.96072980
>>96072565
He's getting a crumb of pussy at the end of the season
Anonymous No.96073527 >>96073858 >>96073907
She'll win
Anonymous No.96073858
>>96073527
the losers bracket
Anonymous No.96073907 >>96074068 >>96077580
>>96073527
Anonymous No.96074068
>>96073907
Anonymous No.96075006 >>96075621 >>96075675
Imagine if Mirei's fight is so intense that... she regains her eyesight next week?? I think it could be absolute kino reference to Serenity Wheeler.
Anonymous No.96075508
>Bav gets >POW 1
kek
Anonymous No.96075621 >>96075675
>>96075006
Her one chance at getting her sight back would have been the Fated Clash
Anonymous No.96075675 >>96075685
Is Mirei supposed to be fantasy blind where she has no vision at all and its like a void of darkness or realistically blind where she can perceive at least shapes of people/things?
>>96075006
The only intense part of her fight will be her humiliation as her backrow of Vailord/Trickmoons get wiped and shes sent to 0 after damage checking her OT
>>96075621
Akinas such a dumb shit. He couldve asked for everyones illnesses to be recovered. Fucker couldve cured CANCER
Anonymous No.96075685
>>96075675
She is blind blind
Anonymous No.96077580 >>96080449
>>96073907
This is what women look like in bed.
Anonymous No.96078873
You just know.
Anonymous No.96080449
>>96077580
so Danji only sleeps with blind women/persons?
Anonymous No.96081817 >>96082187
>>96072715
I rewatched Overdress recently and man, the flip from season 1 to season 2 is so fucking massive. They cut the homolust so fucking hard it's jarring, Yuyu and Danji just drop all the teasing immediately and both of them start getting baited with like like 3 women each. I'm so fucking curious what the Japanese discussion looked like back in the day that they decided to drop the fujobaiting so goddamn hard.
Anonymous No.96082187
>>96081817
Imagine if Ruka heard about the OD S1 events that happened at her Theme Park KEK
Anonymous No.96083125 >>96083443
Why is Lianorn so pushed? Not even Urara, Lianorn herself.
Anonymous No.96083443
>>96083125
Its one of the few Stoicheia decks that people take seriously.
Anonymous No.96083697 >>96083709 >>96106340
Big little sister
Anonymous No.96083709 >>96084155
>>96083697
she owes taizo sex
Anonymous No.96084155
>>96083709
>Fed her
>Clothed her
>Housed her
>Gave her a career opportunity

The only sex she owes is the audio of her having bed quaking sex with Akina. Hes just simping
Anonymous No.96084262
Demonic Descend Ninja, Zeon (RR)

Call Cost [Pay 1 Gauge]

AUTO: When this unit is placed on (RC), choose a Grade 1 or less unit card with Thunder Mine ability from drop, and call it to (RC).
Anonymous No.96084273
Comfort Lumina Petuny (C)

CONT (RC/GC): If you have four or more cards in your damage zone, this unit gets PWR +10000 / SLD +10000. (Active in opponent's turn too.)

Propanes Pear (C)

AUTO: When this unit is placed on (RC), if you have a token unit on (RC), SC1.
Anonymous No.96085972 >>96089787
>>96055114
Accord was practically filler with its Bastion discard creating unneeded stress on the deckbuilding and ultimately has the boss still be Prime since it has easier requirements+an extra attack meaning nothing really changed. Definitely wasnt good enough especially when you compare it to Kairi,Nirvana or Magnolias upgrades that can actually be bosses.
Anonymous No.96089787
>>96085972
Aside from the mandatory "4 attack deck becomes 5 attack deck" what direction can a new Bastion take? Guard restrict?
Anonymous No.96093203
Soaring Flame, Lindwurm (RC)

AUTO: When this unit is placed on (RC), COST[Discard a from hand] draw a card.

CONT: The unit that has this card as its Buddy Soul get Intercept and SLD +5000. (Active in opponent's turn too.)
Anonymous No.96093322
Anonymous No.96095460 >>96099294
>>96070133
AUTO: When this unit is placed on (RC) during any phase except battle phase, choose a grade 3 "Veissrugr" unit
from your ride deck, and reveal it. If you do or have a Grade 3 or greater "Veissrugr" on (VG), perform one of the
following and shuffle your deck.
- Look at the top 5 cards of your deck and reveal up to 1 card with "Veissrugr" in its card name or Order/Lunarite
card from among them and add it to your hand.
- If you Persona Rode this turn, [COST: Energy Blast 3], search your deck for up to one Order/Lunarite card,
reveal it and add it to your hand

AUTO: At the end of the battle this unit boosted, if you have a Grade 3 or greater "Veissrugr" vanguard, [COST:
put this unit into soul] and Counter Charge 1.

So you're telling me they compressed FIVE fucking cards into one, and the deck probably still isn't tier 1.
>Glitchepicenter (searches top cards for Order, but doesn't minus in return for being top 5)
>Baldareid (checks top 5 for potential Persona Ride)
>Pantera the Slasher (searches deck for Order)
>Bobalmine (goes into soul at the end of battle to countercharge)
>Ravnorowg (Mythisch that can boost)
Anonymous No.96095508 >>96096267
This card can be played from drop, and you can play this if you have a "Veissrugr" vanguard and your opponent's vanguard is Grade 3 or greater!

Bind this card, and choose one of your vanguards and it gets [CONT: all of your "Mythisch"
rearguards get +5000 power] until end of turn.
Anonymous No.96096267 >>96096555
>>96095508
So it's the piss order without the CB cost? I guess the drop effect makes it good as discard fodder as well
Anonymous No.96096555 >>96097642
>>96096267
It can't highroll 20k or make 15k magic number boosts, but keep in mind that if you meet the conditions for this, then it's equivalent to hitting a
20k highroll pitbull-bird column if you have a snake-bird column.

Garzo' and Ravno' make for a 45k column with this baby, and that's before Persona Ride and Veissrugr bump it up to 60k, which is unavoidable
if you Garzorums attack extended last turn and it gets targeted immunity, unless they're Ignis, Rakshasa or some shit.

It also means you don't have to minus to start pushing with the massive snake and can still use 2 damage to pop off with 5 attacks; I've seen
people downplay how useful Garzorums is and I think this will make people realize that Garzorums is a nearly unreasonably massive beatstick.
70k is Garzorum's peak with Persona Ride, Gullmani and boosted by the bird after Veissrugr attacks; there is a reason Weasmay was CB 1
and an opposing grade 3 vanguard for this kind of shit back in DZ-BT01.

Thinking Garzorums is something you want to get rid of ASAP is one of the most low IQ takes I've seen from the TCG side and this will put on
display why Garzorums was so restricted as a beatstick; with the ability to play an Order pretty much every turn, after the opponent hits grade 3,
they will almost always have to inevitably stare down at least a 50k Gazorums every single turn, on top of how hard the deck can sack.
Helgvarr only makes this even more consistent with countercharging, filtering for Veissrugr or Lunarites, and even straight up ripping Gullmani
if you have happen to find your pieces.

Veissrugr's final Persona Ride turn can look like
>at least 33k, up to 43k Helgvarr/Roztnir column that opens up the required CB, plus a front row retire that ignores Bracing Angel Ladder
>43k Veissrugr, minimum, with a very hot Twin Drive
>TWO 58/60k Garzorums, bare minimum numbers with either power up Order, and up to 68/70k each if you highroll with Gullmani
Anonymous No.96097642 >>96098023 >>96115623
>>96096555
Looks like Kagetsu should have beaten Ruka
Anonymous No.96098023
>>96097642
To be fair, she had to both damage check a heal during his Gullmani turn and then sack on a triple drive to win since his ass also was pulling bullshit by having two PGs, the fodder Lunarite and a Persona Ride in hand, so he could've just used that to push hard next turn, especially since she drew the order on her triple drive.

Speaking of her deck, it's literally just a remastered version of Sephirogila in Stoicheia; she deadass has an EB3 act skill that not only checks top five
for any unit to call, but it can also add her Order to hand and if she calls one of her Paradise units, it gets 5k for the turn. She also has both Triple Drive
and a restand effect for any rearguard, even if the opponent is grade 2. Nannaclir is even more generic than Sephirogila since it doesn't rely on
fucking Espereidea or, Gui forbid, SPALLATION REACTOR DRAGON, for multiattacks, though at the cost of lacking Dragontree markers and not having
the retrained G2 Wretches that can tutor Persona Ride straight from deck.

The order itself either recurs a Paradise rearguard from drop directly to the board or giving one of your Paradise rearguards 5k and the effect to
get a critical when restood while your world is Stray Garden, neither of course having a grade restriction, in all explaining why those two Zorga orders
got errata'd, on top of them being fairly generic and not futureproofed; it also can also draw you a card when revealed by any Paradise card's effect,
Nannaclir or not, so Nannaclir ripping it off of her EB skill goes +2 for EB3, since it also reveals the card like many searchers do.

Suffice to say, Nannaclir going quadruple drive or swinging twice with a 2 crit rearguard would make Veissrugr's Gullmani going first turns look tame;
I could see that being what Kagetsu was thinking of when he said he was crushed by her, and I haven't even taken the time to see what the Paradise
rearguards actually do.
Anonymous No.96099294
>>96095460
>So you're telling me they compressed FIVE fucking cards into one, and the deck probably still isn't tier 1.
Of course not. Its still behind the power curve that things like Bav and Heartluru have where theres an extra bit of pressure to guarantee the win
Anonymous No.96099605 >>96100141 >>96101484
Aksayya getting to essentially Impauldio Divine Skill every fucking turn while also getting a front row nuke and a draw engine is some wackass game balance, even after Vairlord is set to one

Trickmoon being a consistent double recursion due to Cindi is also wackass, all this because they forgot they made many strong cards balanced around a 3 attack deck before it eventually got a multiattacker that Impauldio still doesnt ha ve

As for Heartlulu, can someone explain how the fuck they made that deck function right out the box while it took Veissrugr as long as X-overDress to become a functional yet still tier 2 deck? That shit got a guard restrict, critical restander and even has a Roztnir for SB1 and that was just in the booster it came in, while Veissrugr still only has above average endgame numbers and relies on a somewhat heavily filtered twin drive while these two get to have triple drive
Anonymous No.96100141 >>96100256
>>96099605
My schizo theory is that they do it on purpose.
They expect anime decks to be popular regardless of power level so they go out of their way to spread it's support across multiple different sets so that fans now have to be every set. They did the same to Youthberk. Absolutely neutered support so they can better support later.

For decks like Heartlulu it's the opposite they probably don't expect the deck to be popular just based off aesthetic so they make it powercreep instead to encourage pulling for it.
Anonymous No.96100256 >>96100429
>>96100141
Speaking of Youth, I go to the official website and see that it unironically lists NONE of the new support for a suggested deck list and instead it's just Keter Pile with the persona shield generator, corino and the new Youthberks and ride line; it's not even proper Youth Pile with the order from D-BT06 that also works with the normal pile and in spite of the deck's soul issues due to how Rebuild kind of fucks up the soul

They cooked so bad that even they aren't insane enough to even suggest using the support that comes in the booster
Anonymous No.96100429
>>96100256
That's what I'm saying, they 100% knew the support was bad but released it anyway
Anonymous No.96100972 >>96101314
Dooringen being an objectively worse Decisive Axe Dragon thats only a Battledore instead of a straight up Elementaria or hard guard with only triggers, and also can't be doubled up on a high roll kill turn like the latter.

At least Duidelijk would be a half-decent card if Pile wasnt a thing, but is still pretty outdated with how comparable to Schneizel it is
Anonymous No.96101314
>>96100972
Duidelijk being a CB1 to look at top 5 was almost an insult. If you whiff you just lose the CB, when so many other decks get to look at top 7 and also refund the cost if they whiff. Like seriously what were they thinking?
Anonymous No.96101484 >>96104158
>>96099605

Aksayya wouldnt be that bad if they just watched the fucking powers it can hit. Bringing everything up to the same 3 triggers to guard standard when not every deck is not designed to do piece removal or have easy access critical is incredibly stupid. Theres like zero trade off anymore for having big numbers and its homogenizing in a damaging way. Thanks to her every non restanding,decent boss from now on seems to be adopting the standard of going +1 drive and things that dont (See: Granifia Julament) is just gonna be trash that cant keep up and the relevance of normal twin drive amongst all the triple and restanders is kinda something I found cool about D card design.
Anonymous No.96102157 >>96102221 >>96102891 >>96102981
>finally reunite with your crush
>can't stop thinking about all the other men she's fought over the years
Jesus wept.
Anonymous No.96102221
>>96102157
Ruka slept with every men in Black Out
Anonymous No.96102891
>>96102157
Jesus would be proud that Kagetsu is attempting to conquer such an experienced hole
Anonymous No.96102981
>>96102157
gonna be honest, while he was pretty human and people tend to exaggerate how much of a crashout and simp he is, his whole "reason for playing Vanguard" is a bit too simple for how long it took for us to hear it; at least Helgvarr made the deck tier 2 after half a year

maybe its just one of those things where they cant be direct with what this is actually about and ESPECIALLY with what we know those three days and nights are supposed to imply

it's like, he basically became a bum over the fact he couldnt tell this one girl he liked how hes a tryhard, which is in spite of the fact i think his ass felt like cruising through the Deluxe with a deliberately maloptimized version of his own deck by not including the best Mythisch until he got to fight her, or the best order that never goes minus when it hits the drop, which would be the most chad thing this guy did that cements him as a top fighter if not for his woman problem
Anonymous No.96102989
Will my wife ever get a physical card?
Anonymous No.96104158 >>96107006
>>96101484
Veissrugr being probably an eternal twin drive is one of the appeals to me, as the idea is, instead of having filter with a triple drive like a lot of decks, it's instead some of the hardest filtering in format with a more limited twin drive to compensate, which feels like a shift from the normal schema of regular filters and triple/extra drive checking like in Youthberk or Sephirogila.

Another thing is that, strangely, Veissrugr almost embodies everything about vanguard: it's luck-based with its premise, it almost focuses on trigger sacking for offense and defense with how hot it can make its twin drive and damage checks, it uses Normal Orders as a staple along with a set order, it uses all three resources extensively and it has certain effects that defy conventional game rules like attacking multiple things at once and attacking from the back row, even if these are far from unique effects; I was hoping Helgvarr might do something with the drop zone but instead they just made a Lunarite that does that by default, which would have helped her stay on theme with the other two as convention defiers.

I'm also hoping they don't fuck up the lore, the premise of the Moonkeepers and Mythisch has a lot of potential and from what I might reckon a guess, the Mythisch possibly being survivors of previous lunarian apocalypses is a cool idea after the red moon disease was revealed and as it turns out, all three ancestor Mythisch have red moons in their backgrounds, and also what exactly the Mythisch are supposed to be in terms of physiology hasn't been elaborated upon apart from apparently using solar power according to Ravnorowg's flavor text; however at the same time I'm seeing Veissrugr somehow and constantly crossing his huge fucking arms and trying to aura farm and now he gets stoned in the latest unit story by Nannaclir the drug dealer who's being pursued by law enforcement.
Anonymous No.96106340 >>96106518 >>96107207 >>96117143 >>96117150
>>96083697
could she live out of being a Vtuber/OF instead?
Anonymous No.96106518
>>96106340
She's a woman, so yes
Anonymous No.96107006 >>96107207
>>96104158
I wonder what's next for Veissrugr? New form? New mythischs forever?
Anonymous No.96107207 >>96107572
>>96107006
If they errata that fucking Heroic Deeds to have a continuous Mythisch name via effect and plus off of being Moon Gated, like if you Moon Gate it then you can rip a Mythisch from order zone after souling itself and if called then you can put a Mythisch from drop into the Order Zone, that may or may not be a good addition; between having immense sacking power, really good defensive power due to the shield boosts and the trigger rates, and Garzorums being a consistent 45k/50k beatstick past turn 4 minimum, adding a guard restrict could be dicey and hard due to how the engine works.

Veissrugr is simultaneously awkward to make new cards for and yet has so much flexibility in how they can support it; it's not like Veissrugr itself is a bad VG, but the deck is just too balanced. It lowkey feels like they conceptualized a deck from early D, retrained it for DZ and now it's in an awkward state of trying to fix it without accidentally breaking it, which we saw with Garzorums and OSV and only after a few more months of it doing nothing do they create the 5-in-1 and a recurring half-Gullmani that STILL don't feel like they broke the deck from what my playtesting suggests.

I can see how Veissrugr, in the anime, might've worked where the Moon Gate needed to use Veissrugr's skill to actually use back when it was in the same format as Drajeweled, and the gate only got the EB3 and rest effect when Energy became a thing and the meta game got faster, so they turned Moonkeepers from a slower, midrange deck into a rapid filterer. Garzorums feels comparable to Rockargour in terms of design and the deck is so modular, while Helgvarr feels like one of those "build a card" cards that exists primarily to unfuck a deck's issues and is usually a promo.
>>96106340
She should use her knowledge of events 3 years into the future to do meta-insider trading, considering how little should have actually changed aside from D3 happening.
Anonymous No.96107572 >>96107897
>>96107207
>trading
Vanguard is more difficult and rewarding she didn't put attention
Anonymous No.96107878
Huh, I knew Megumi's VA did a bunch of the Vanguard songs but I didn't realize Nao's VA was the bassist in the same band.
Anonymous No.96107897 >>96107937
>>96107572
Hear me out: she tells Taizo to invest in Bav' pieces shortly before Aksayya goes live and make bank before the banlist hits.

Mark up Vairlords and Cindis strategically on different websites and internationally for mad profits and take a majority of the cut due to being the reason they could happen at all.

The fact she got cooked by the deck in brackets was a deliberate strategy to only increase the value of those counterfeit DSR Vairlords and Secret Rare Cindis she should also convince Kiyokura Group executives to produce.

Also invest in producing fraudulent DSR Eledglemas featuring a character that doesn't even exist for the JP market who she beat in her Fated Clash by sacking before they could hit grade 3, with the art belonging to an unreleased Fated One of Apocalypse, Eledglema Una.
Anonymous No.96107937
>>96107897
too bad she can't use all that money to bribe her oniichan into taking the incest pill
Anonymous No.96108799 >>96108939
So like.

Did Erika's dad just lose his wife, then his son went missing, and then his sick daughter went missing and he just has to eternally remember this every time he receives a missing persons case
Anonymous No.96108939
>>96108799
I thought they said Hikari's future just stopped existing when she time travelled.
I'm more curious on if her present day dad would recognize her if she saw her
Anonymous No.96112835
>Didn't play Buddyfight so I now only find out that in the Japanese version they actually have two separate Dragon attributes by writing them in different texts (katakana and kanji)

L E L
Anonymous No.96112878 >>96112922 >>96115623
Will they make the next vanguard f2p.....
Anonymous No.96112922
>>96112878
Just make another gacha, D-Zero
Anonymous No.96113159 >>96114280
I don't know why they don't just realize Cardfight Area is made in fucking BYOND and has survived for so damn long because a playerbase doesn't give too much shits as long as a client is at least free by default

Sure, a large chunk of why Master Duel and Arena have been profitable is due to the IPs being decades ahead of Vanguard and having either the history or the publicity to ride off the coattails of, but is no way they couldn't just try to experiment with a decent emulator that uses a similar freemium model, even as a one-off experiment.

Instead they're trying to copy Nintendo with 70$ overpriced games that resemble the automotive industry with how much shit they try to cram in to inflate the price; you're telling me they couldn't just look at CFA and then make a slightly better version for 10$ or some shit?
Anonymous No.96114280 >>96114552 >>96115209
>>96113159
BYOND is kino, it had some of the best YGO games too. The devs for this engine had some insane dedication.
Anonymous No.96114552
>>96114280
CFA is a pretty good emulator for something made with a game engine from the '90s.

That and Space Station 13 make it a home name, but that just makes it seem like Bushiroad is cheap as hell for not being able to top it after over a decade in the business; they recycled EX's engine and then resold a similar experience for a markup

I can get selling a caramel jar with no caramel, we call it audacity, but being outdone by an emulator made with retrofitted 90s software is embarrassing
Anonymous No.96115209 >>96115958
>>96114280
That yugioh game looks freaking sick. Where did all the fun games go? Everything is so bland nowadays. I actually appreciate CFA for not being like that.
Anonymous No.96115623 >>96115958
>>96097642
She had way too much wiggle room by being at 2 damage on his Persona turn so no way. Kagetsu was quite lucky in that fight too. Because in that 3 damage she took in one turn she only saw 1 trigger and then theres those sentinels he was able to hoarde through his draws rather than seeing triggers.

>>96112878
Nope enjoy dear days 3 priced at the new inflation proper price of 79.99 plus tax
Anonymous No.96115958 >>96117793 >>96120054
>>96115209
might just be that theres so many options that the gems are obscured

i swear CFA was listed on the wiki somewhere at some point
>>96115623
Her being at 2 damage screwed him in the long haul, but she admits that she needed to sack to win, and knowing what Alfini does
means we know he was clapping back hard with two top decks, a double Moon Gate and at least 20k to the front row with Veiss, Alfini and
Persona Ride with a bird and massive snake still on board, she wasn't surviving that by a damn sight at 5 damage.

She would've been in hotter water if she didn't check a functioning Heal, though, even a Draw would've been better for Kagetsu considering
how hot that turn was, although she probably did have all 4 still in deck by then and saw some Fronts in hand so it's not unreasonably lucky
she hit at least one heal that turn; she did need to get lucky to not hit it when she was at 4 damage since it wouldn't work. She also would have
likely missed Persona Ride that turn if she couldn't take one more hit, even if she Draw triggered into another PG, unless she hard drew into
it on what was her kill turn.

It's more so how not only is her deck straight up worse than a post-DZ set 10 Veissrugr, she also went second when her deck very much
wants to go first, and won first and foremost by sacking on Triple Drive, albeit Kagetsu made the most logical play since a rearguard was
already swinging lethal critical and hitting another critical meant any other incoming attack was also going lethal.

But like shit, even a DZ-BT08 Veissrugr deck is probably better than what we saw Ruka have simply because it has Gullmani and filters,
although that might be a stretch; Veissrugr's support in DZ-BT10 is so fucking good that it's at least a tier 2 deck and arguably a lower
end rogue deck if not for being hard countered by Dragon Empire and being a strictly worse Heartlulu; currently Nannaclir is roughly
tier 3 due to lacking a means of pushing for game.
Anonymous No.96117143
>>96106340
If Maki can make it in porn so can Hikari
Anonymous No.96117150
>>96106340
If Maki can make it in porn so can Hikari
Anonymous No.96117793 >>96119179
>>96115958
The more I look over the new support the more I'm actually excited about the deck. A lot of problems got fixed with this last wave.
It sucks having to buy 3 dollar commons only to start dropping copies now that Hel is out though. I feel for my friend who bought into the hype.
Anonymous No.96118179
The JOBBENING
Anonymous No.96119179
>>96117793
Birds being over 2$ a piece back when they came out is pretty wack, but to be fair, they were experimenting with the Moon Gate engine and had to make a way for people to prototype it and, importantly, find the ratios, which at this point honestly don't even matter since Helgvarr is all four cards the deck seriously demanded all rolled into a slightly more awkward Ravnorowg at 8k.

Bird is still extremely useful for budget Moon Gate because every sodden Ancestor Mythisch for the deck would be catastrophically expensive if not for just how weak the deck was for months on end, and one of the points of the bird is that it's NEVER bad to see: it can boost turn 3 onwards, it can serve as a 25k front row swing in a pinch that's now 35k past turn 4 onwards or going second, it can switch places after going for early game rush and isn't all that painful to shove into drop or used as guard fodder for shuffling back in shit like Garzorums.

Garzorums is probably the biggest problem child of the deck at the moment, because it's currently the only actual garnet in deck that's extremely bad to have in hand unless you're going second since it's only a huge beatstick going second or on turn 4, which is EXTREMELY slow when the dog is already an option for early game beating and drawing and Helgvarr also going online as a Bobalmine on turn 3, helps with rushing and filters like no tomorrow for your kill turn pieces while being pretty hard to remove if you went first since you'll get her Bobalmine off before the opponent hits grade 3.
Anonymous No.96120054
>>96115958
Going through the play by play again, Kagetsu didn't see a single damage trigger that entire fucking game despite playing god damn Moonkeepers, and especially post-DZ-BT10 Moonkeepers; his damages were also all bad in general
>Ravnorowg, not the worst
>Garzorums, a garnet he could've used on his Gullmani kill turn that could've won him the game if he got it in his Moon Gate over a Roztnir since it would've swung 60k to Ruka's 53k guard after triggers
>a PG, that would've been handy even if he did managed to hold onto two regardless
>another Rav', that late in the game but not too bad
>the new Order, right when a damage trigger would've demanded a triple trigger sack
>Persona damage, per usual, didn't matter since he already had Persona in hand
In comparison, she hit an early game critical that set him to two and he effectively let her get away with a decent turn 3 since he played for resources for his turn 3, rather than going for the Eilift rushdown on turn 3 like he did with Akina that would've been enabled by even a single Helgvarr on board and total 5 attacks against grade 2.

As a matter of fact, his ass didn't even see Helgvarr whatsoever until late in the game despite presumably running her at four, Moon Gating twice and drawing off of Roztnir; him hard drawing into Gullmani was irrelevant when he used Helgvarr's search anyway; his turn 3 was also just what Nannaclir could've asked for as Kagetsu decided to target rearguards against a deck with recursion instead of playing the matchup and bumrushing, which would've made more sense with what we currently know since Nannaclir doesn't pop off worth shit even with all that CB to work with and Helgvarr enabling Gullmani with two damage.

I have a feeling they weren't sure what either the Order or Helgvarr fully did until after the episode aired but either way, Kagetsu's luck was kind of shit that fight in spite of seeing the necessary pieces for that turn 4
Anonymous No.96121205 >>96121223 >>96124266 >>96133951
SOON
Anonymous No.96121223
>>96121205
>No blacks
yuyu thats not france
Anonymous No.96122445 >>96123790
>New supports and new form
Nope
>New ride line
Yep
Fated one of ever-jobbing, shitrain....
Anonymous No.96123790
>>96122445
Wasnt Youths new rideline pretty good?

Krys could use a new one from what Im seeing; shit was outdated on launch and its been over half a year

Do they still make the dedicated LM boosters? a new form could be included in that if they planned on keeping Mikoto a side character
Anonymous No.96124266
>>96121205
Zakusa THE STRONGEST.
Anonymous No.96126517 >>96126859
I am about to have a BaconSavior kind of crashout with how they prioritized shilling their new product over giving the people what they wanted

I DONT CARE IF IT WAS ONLY A VAIRLORD AND TWO TRICKMOONS THEY SHOULDVE BURNED TO THE GROUND AS MICHIRU MADE OFF WITH DANJI

First the Vairlord to one, then only Dragveda removed, and now they don't even humble Mirei's 0:3 using a tier 0 deck against a deck that would've slightly countered her deck's peak boardstate; credit where credit is due, I can appreciate how raunchy this season has been across all of two actual episodes, but come on man
Anonymous No.96126524
Incest?
Anonymous No.96126544 >>96126612
What did they mean by this?
Anonymous No.96126572
The best
Anonymous No.96126612
>>96126544
Danji is gay
He hang around crossdressers and his only other friend is an autist newtype
Anonymous No.96126688 >>96133138
Every frame with Mirei is pure gold
Anonymous No.96126699 >>96126796 >>96127437 >>96133138
I've been awakened to Mirei femdom
Anonymous No.96126737
Bav gets a new restander + shenryi
Anonymous No.96126775
The Mirei and Michiru ending is pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX3vA-AjCgQ
Anonymous No.96126796
>>96126699
that cat bit reminded me of Gaito
Anonymous No.96126859 >>96127134 >>96127669 >>96130190
Mirei didnt really have to guard the initial Lith attack. If she just took it she would have saved herself 48k in shield. If she intercepted that likely wouldve been enough to win.

New Drajeweled looks hella fucking weak though because they omitted the retirement the G4 gave.

>>96126517
I dont even know what youre trying to say.
Anonymous No.96126988
Akina can't even imagine losing against Megumeme
Anonymous No.96127134 >>96127437
>>96126859
She is a paid actor
Anonymous No.96127437
>>96127134
I am a fan of Tezukas star system so I appreciate the nod

>>96126699
I wish Mirei was my mommy... i just realized shes 19 by now, damn that dress looks off at her age. She is almost in hag territory.
Anonymous No.96127574 >>96127669 >>96129798
We know Megumi is going to job and it was already a pleasant surprise what a strong run she's had, but I wonder how they'll actually make that match up interesting. We had two great ones so far, Erika vs Suo has a very strong narrative weight even if he's losing for sure. Megumi and Akina's connection is that she happened to be the witness to Akina having his sexual awakening.
Anonymous No.96127663 >>96127757
D should have stand triggers again
Anonymous No.96127669
>>96126859
It was a bit of a plot point in Buddyfight Triple D that the purple swirly haired guy named Gaito had a pet bird that got ganked by a cat and is why he has ailurophobia

Not sure why it reminded me of that but it seemed rather specific enough to almost feel like a reference, especially given the Buddyfight collab going on.
>>96127574
Like someone said regarding Erika likely having Ruka over Kagetsu as an opponent to get her to take a chill pill regarding her stressing the hell over the Deluxe, maybe she'll give Akina some introspection regarding his career choices since she's an upper class woman working part time in a card shop

probably wont wind up that way but its a possibility
Anonymous No.96127757 >>96127836
>>96127663
Yeah I want kruk at 4 in D format
Anonymous No.96127836 >>96127886
>>96127757
hypothetically speaking, how much of a power boost would Kyrsrain get if it got Kruk as a Front trigger with only the standard grade 3 restriction
Anonymous No.96127886
>>96127836
Pretty sure krysrain is among the least benefit due to how harmony works
Anonymous No.96127910
Liael Dragonis better be the new Beyond Order Dragon
Anonymous No.96127998 >>96128172
Michiru was checking out Mirei's boobs.
Anonymous No.96128025 >>96128172
Someone's getting stabbed next week
Anonymous No.96128172
>>96127998
good
>>96128025
you
Anonymous No.96129534
Deluxe? More like Predictabluxe
Character Interactions carry this HARD.
Anonymous No.96129798
>>96127574
It wont be interesting outside of some new Rezael and/or Magnolia support. Its why that shits last.

Personally I hope they just fucking skip it. Megumi is not only an obvious easy win she also doesnt have it in her to add anything to Akina and Rezael nor Magnolia have changed much from the last 4 times we have seen it go.
Anonymous No.96130190
>>96126859
Yeah, weird to see such a big misplay in the show.

New Drajeweled is interesting, turn 4 it makes the same numbers Ignis does but you swap out the backrow wipe for a rearguard drive check.
You probably just do a Bastion Accord and play both.
Anonymous No.96130229 >>96130287 >>96130558
Why was this episode so well animated.
Anonymous No.96130287 >>96130558
>>96130229
It was two of the Dress era's hypemen going against each other. It'd be weird if it wasn't
Anonymous No.96130558
>>96130229
Helgvarr's animation budget went somewhere
>>96130287
and this is probably why
Anonymous No.96133138 >>96133951
>>96126699
>>96126688
how does this compare to French women? pic not related
Anonymous No.96133342 >>96133751
I love watching Michiru play. I feel like I'm deepening my knowledge of the game even if it's just a little bit.
Anonymous No.96133751 >>96135388 >>96135540
>>96133342
That might just be Bifrons being a borderline overpowered card if not for her ass being an entire CB1, but probably the best CB1 to draw in format

Like straight up Veirmeil's unique skill is arguably worse than Bifrons if you don't have two cards in Order Zone and Bif can be used more than once and can set up the soul for certain decks; it would probably get Almajestar archetype locked if it was in Brandt Gate due to being nearly Veirmeil on crack like how the Zorga Orders were straight up too synergistical with Nannaclir and outmoded Cead Mile Failte, albeit they were already getting on with their years with shit like quadruple driving Sephirogila against grade 2 on high roll

Also I think the subtitles were shitting themselves a bit. I think Kagetsu was saying that Michiru knew damn well that being on two damage that early against a going second Bav was practically a death knell, which is why he was grabbing defensive pieces for her turn 3; also explains why he wouldn't go for Ignis since it wasn't worth it given her reduced hand size and greater odds of sacking with Magnus' four drives in all and equivalent power boost due to Mangus' 5k and the Persona Ride.

As a matter of fact, he probably knew damn well Ignis was too slow for the matchup and probably side decked it out; he'll have more reason to break it out against Akina's slower deck, but that's wishful thinking
Anonymous No.96133951
>>96133138
There's a man faced woman there>>96121205 so Mirei mogs
Anonymous No.96135388 >>96135682
>>96133751
He would have jobbed if Mirei wasn't being stupid for plot reason anyway
Anonymous No.96135540 >>96135682
>>96133751
The big thing for me is how they verbalize the concepts.
There's an unconscious understanding to it, obviously you want to spam out Bifrons + Focalors in Draj but phrasing it as "creating winning patterns and eliminating losing patterns" feels like a sleep agent activation command. A lot of his post game discussions explain a strat he employed like guarding early vs Mag which is refreshing.
Should Mirei have won? Probably. That first Lithos was the only attack guaranteed to be crit 1 but you could just say she didn't know Magnus's text so she didn't know about a second twin drive coming her way, people don't read their opponents cards after all.
The subtitles did make it a little difficult to parse what he meant but thankfully it's pretty clear that he was talking about dying on turn 3 after getting crit.

Curious how the deck is going to evolve going forward. It doesn't have the cb1 draw of the original Drajeweled so even if the rest of the rideline is better I'm curious if Magnus is going to turn into it's own build or be the new g3 for ignis builds.
The rear guard drivecheck changes math slightly compared to the regular trip drive on vanguard, so even 5 attack turns aren't strictly worse but you can do a 5 attack turn with the Ignis g1 while still doing 4 drive checks.
Anonymous No.96135595 >>96135621 >>96146114
Is it true Gundam is destroying Hololive? We even got a head start since Gundam has only released starters. They are laughing at us in /acg/.
Anonymous No.96135596 >>96139923
Do you think Mr. Myodo watches the Deluxe to cheer for his son and then noticed one player look awfully similar to his daughter?
Anonymous No.96135621 >>96137298 >>96137863
>>96135595
hololive > gundam
Anonymous No.96135682
>>96135388
He would've gotten smoked if that was full powered Aksayya, and even post banlist she played like shit by not loading up on Trickmoons and boosting one of the Yyugs with Vairlord and then swung hard with a Trickmoon dressBoosted Bav' that would've demanded more than the Overtrigger to guard; losing to Bav' is far from jobbing when it's still a top tier 1 deck

At least Kagetsu had somewhat shitty luck, Mirei just played like hogass because Vairlord and Trickmoon are supposed to be "special"; at that point they might as well just errata those two to only work when boosting Bav', which is kind of odd how they don't, but that would absolutely gut Bav's numbers catastrophically in an environment where giving at least two attacks 30k every turn for free is why the deck remains strong, in addition to Apalra and Yyugmashad being disgusting plusers along with the shield being able to be turned into a Pot of Greed by calling Samadhi and then ultimately recuring Vairlord via Cindi somewhere else in addition to being a de facto SB1 to draw into a 20k shield every turn, and SB2 to nuke the front row and gain crit pressure regardless of the opponent's grade and stealing Impauldio's divine skill
>>96135540
It was a lot more than just Bifrons, poor bastard only used it once, but that one usage can go a long way, especially since you don't have to reveal the card you add to hand.

Drive check does add to the pressure, as going -1 to get it is the standard and decks were willing to go -2 for just one as Ye Wandering Souls has been a pressure staple in many a Stoicheia deck for a while; it's basically 10k pseudo pressure that might just kill your ass and it was basically the equivalent of making the rearguard going critical and have a vaguer power value

Definitely competes with Ignis in faster games but even in the current format of immense plusing and recursion, that back row nuke on Ignis is nuts if the game drags on.
Anonymous No.96137298
>>96135621
>DBS between two Bushi properties
Trapped. And. Betrayed.
Anonymous No.96137863 >>96138626
>>96135621
Is this why Bushiroad keeps shilling their in house bands instead of checking back with BUSHI7 and JAM Project or is it functionally free to just get the in house bands to make music?

But when I look into it, at the least, all of the intros in Divinez aren't in house, which makes me wonder if it's just part of the aesthetics change
Anonymous No.96138626 >>96138800
>>96137863
The latest opening is a bang dream group.
Anonymous No.96138800
>>96138626
And all of the upcoming EDs, although I will admit that they're starting to grow on me; Zeal of Proud was pretty damn good for in house

Mad respect for them going for allegedly 10 different ED animations, might also where be where the budget's going; I didn't check Feathered Dreams because the wiki lacked a page for it and thus the intros in a timeline stopped at DZS3's opening
Anonymous No.96139923
>>96135596
Probably, I thought he'd start appearing a bit more after his cameo at the end of S2, but he still hasn't shown up.
Anonymous No.96140094 >>96150356 >>96158807
Looking at Geodrahl, I'm coming up with a Drajeweled deck's Veidrock with it being a CB1 to soulcharge off the top and toolbox from soul, in addition to probably being a Vinschtar with a much easier requirement for the full twin drive in return for lacking a quadruple driving Vangaurd swing, rather than Veidrock's huge power scaling

And as if Drajeweled didn't already have Zagan in the Ignis build, and you can almost certainly run both in a newer Ignis build with Magnus in ride deck, but might be Magnus locked and brick if you go into Ignis; that Demonic Stone Dragon searcher became a lot more practical with Magnus demanding the archetype on board to get the extra drives

I think if Magnus is basically an Impauldio when going second, in addition to a second soul toolbox in Geodrahl, that would help massively since Drajeweled is currently like Dragontree where it desperately prefers going first, I feel; although i'm more interested in seeing if this changes how scuffed the hybrid Masque variant already would be by trying to fit Magnus support, Masque support and Ignis support in the same build

that last bit's probably too bricky to make functional, at least until we get a G2 Dragontree Wretch retrain for Dark States that lets it rip Drajeweled Masques straight from deck and EB3 for the Masque to immediately get the pop off right then and there, and even then Magnus' support might be hard locked; I heard Lianorn Masque manages to see play if the pilot is cracked enough to work with her inclusion, but Magnus might just make Masques unnecessary if it can sodden quadrive with five attacks going second.
Anonymous No.96146114
>>96135595
>Gundam TCG
>Implying Bandai wouldn't just either reboot it or ditch it altogether within five years given its previous history with Gundam War
That and I am not sure whether TCG players and vtuber watchers really intersect that well internationally since playing the game requires you to touch grass
Anonymous No.96146327
Marry your sister
Anonymous No.96147054
Anyone here play Shadowverse Evolve?
The digital client for Shadowverse Worlds Beyond launched a month and some change ago, but it's left something to be desired compared to the first game's early metas, and I can't really go back to that game for such an experience. I know Evolve is a totally different beast, but how does it play? I like the sound of the mechanical changes they made to it.
Anonymous No.96150356 >>96150747
>>96140094
The really nice thing with Ignis + Magnus is that you can do a 5 attack turn while still getting the quad drive by using the Ignis locked G1.
Honestly I'm thinking of just using Ignis as a garnet to use the rears that reveal it or an occasional flex ride up to kill backrows.
Deckspace sounds a bit too tight for that though.
Anonymous No.96150643
Is picrel good for double sleeve a Max Rarity deck?
Anonymous No.96150747 >>96154647
>>96150356
This also fully denies the possibility of a possibly hextuple drive in total off of Magnus since Magnus only gives the drive check ability on attack, which is when all of the restands in deck activate off of the soul blast

Also teching in the Masque engine would become a lot less impractical if we get the Chemdah retrain that grabs both pieces for EB3 and CB1, although Magnus is damn near self sufficient going second with the 5k boost, set to 0 over Masques' set to 1 and the likelihood of quadruple driving immediately like an Impauldio divine skill split between two attacks but without a Vindschtar

Masques being CB1 for an inferior power set is also a bite in the ass on top of the theoretical retrained Chemdah also CB1ing and the multiattackers need CB1 each unless you specifically have Empousa and Varpula for potentially lower numbers; a tad disappointing how rough Drajeweled Masques is to run with Magnus on the rise
Anonymous No.96151303 >>96152328 >>96153486
Liael Dragonis better have something that can block Nannaclir's 10 attacks
Anonymous No.96152328
>>96151303
10?
Anonymous No.96152693 >>96154336
Anonymous No.96153486
>>96151303
If we're talking just decks, Megumi would've unironically cooked Kagetsu with how bad his luck was if it was her and not Ruka

Not a SINGLE damage trigger the whole game against Magnolia bites, especially when you're playing Moonkeepers who should have some of the best damage checks in the game and with a hand that bricky
Anonymous No.96153695
SOON
Anonymous No.96154336
>>96152693
Zero...home...
Anonymous No.96154647 >>96155220
>>96150747
Masque build would be very nice as an option but yeah, not setting to 0 means it's often making the same guarding numbers even if paired with the persona ride. Something like Empousa.
I really do hope we that Chemdah retrain though, I want to play Almajestars with a Masques build.
Anonymous No.96154825
Anonymous No.96155220 >>96156200
>>96154647
The delay on the retrained Masque searchers is one of the things holding back Sephirogila in non-Dragon Empire nations, that and especially the lack of a universal multiattacker which confines its viability to Dragon Empire, to say nothing of how a one-card enabler for a Masques going second pop off turn 3 and otherwise a persona ride searcher would be extremely nice for literally every deck that would include a Masque

I get that they would preferably make a Masques unit in addition to each retrain but like damn, it's only two RR slots that they can spread across individual boosters, plus Dark States already has three Masques units and only the most recent Masques nations added get the retrain; I also think Orfist Masques would really appreciate getting rid of Psyber in favor of some shit like Allen Kaitzul since that deck and Ominagruzio are currently Masque centralized, or at least the latter, but bushi instead decided to buff Gandeeva and also give it a one-card going second pop off enabler in addition to letting people use another Stirgna as of late.

On a similar topic, coincidentlaly, Nannaclir has a built in multiattack as well as a similar EB3 to plus off of the top five and access to a triple drive like Sephirogila; it also heralded the removal of the Dragontree Stoicheia deck's synergy with the piss order; also at this point we should be seeing the LM Dragontree rearguards at some point if the Sephirogila lore is any indicator, although I'm not sure how they'll achieve proper sapience since the Wretches are described as robotic. It'd be interesting if they do something similar to Rock instead of the usual Masques unit, or maybe a Reverse Cradle
Anonymous No.96155474 >>96155712 >>96157551 >>96160904 >>96166378
Is this the final DivineZ season? Feels like an "Everyone is here" celebration except for Halona
Anonymous No.96155712 >>96157551
>>96155474
This is the fourth cour and technically fourth season of Divinez, although it feels more of an extension of season 3

Definitely has wrap up vibes with how fast Kagetsu got one of the better Ws all things considered and especially considering how much effort they're putting into the EDs of all things by making a total of ten from what's been said
Anonymous No.96156200 >>96156424
>>96155220
Worst part is that we're probably going to have to wait for DBT12 for new Masques stuff at the soonest.
Anonymous No.96156424
>>96156200
Honestly, I could see Ominagruzio support in DZ-BT11 considering all of the callback support it has.

And when the retrained Chemdah for Dark States comes out, Astroea can actually make due with running a balanced set of Stella and Masques and go into either-or since Masques has better scaling while Stella can theoretically be a one or two of and still chain into Persona Rides regardless; making Masques work off of finding a single card would help with Stella's poor going second power
Anonymous No.96157551
>>96155474
>>96155712
Seems like it's going to be a wrap up with tournament followed by a few episodes to end character arcs.
The framing device of Akina turning in his third year job goals pre graduation plus Nao leaving pretty much puts a timer on the DivineZ story ending
Anonymous No.96157784 >>96179150
At least Magnus CAN go for the quadruple drive going second, assuming it manages to eat four damage by then; the 5k front row boost being locked behind souling a Drajeweled before the battle phase might be a problem but the deck has Bifrons to work with and can just Empousa the Magnus in pure Magnus builds anyway

Not the worst thing, and Geodrahl turns out to be generic Drajeweled support with a focus on Magnus, so Zagan might be replaced due to the flexibility of Geodrahl, albeit Geo does cost energy that could be used on Lithos while Zagan's is free if you rip a Varpula or somehow a Cranium, so it's build dependent if Zagan gets ditched

Ignis is still required to get a five attack on Magnus' quadrive turn since Geodrahl can't inherently restand, so including Ignis is still the way to go with Magnus making for a halfway decent going second turn if you're massively behind compared Masques, unless the latter gets some Veissrugr levels of countercharge availability and not that poor bastard Cranium Burner
Anonymous No.96158807 >>96168514
>>96140094
As it turns out, the searcher is still useless as it searches Demonic STONE Dragons, as in the 'argours or fucking Matelvaara and both Jewelneels and not the Demonic JEWEL Dragons that Magnus requires, which is all of Rystal Galer, Geodrahl and any serious G3 Drajeweled if, for some dipstick reason, you decided to Zagan or, flat-out trolling, Geodrahl that shit out

Ignis and the trial deck Drajeweled are, respectively, a slightly altered Demonic Jewel TRUE Dragon on top of being a brick until you ride into it since it's a G4 in a deck that has grade locked toolboxing, and just completely missing the name altogether, so they're not viable targets for a Magnus skill

Off topic, but all three of the Bav' support are kind of ass due to Bav's preexisting support being just that fucking busted; there's a useless common that souls itself for all of 5k, worse than that one Bastion trial deck card that at least gave 10k in a 4 attack deck damn near half a decade ago; a rare that admittedly sounds pretty good on paper if not for being a G3 and only being retire immunity when Apalra is also a filter and can come back for dirt cheap; and an in archetype Shenryi that's effectively conditionless, which would be nearly busted with Bav's built in recursion and plusing if Cindi and Trickmoon weren't a thing you were flooding the backrow with, although it does make for a great cycler if the deck has the space and you still haven't found those two
Anonymous No.96160904
>>96155474
>Halona
cardgames are only for grownups, she bidding her time
Anonymous No.96161275
Now that I think about it, Suo is really fucked considering how not only is he going against someone who's presenting new support and also in the intro hyped up as fighting the MC, but on top of that has a card that lets her nullify during his Divine Skill turn that demonstrably fucked over his kill turn in season 1; this is going to be just like that time Kemura broke out Balmung against Genma

At least he's getting the Senka treatment with how his imminent loss can be partially chalked up to a bad matchup, but that didn't really happen with Bav vs. Drajeweled because Michiru didn't go into Ignis and nuke an entire backrow of Vairlords
Anonymous No.96162195 >>96162218 >>96163063 >>96165090 >>96165329 >>96165401 >>96165775 >>96200375 >>96242754 >>96245151
Megumi's seiyuu Amane Shindo embroiled in cheating scandal.
https://x.com/DEATHDOL_NOTE/status/1948047449349886373
Anonymous No.96162218 >>96163078
>>96162195
It's happening again...
Anonymous No.96163063 >>96163078
>>96162195
Danjibros... it's L after L this week...
Anonymous No.96163078 >>96165833
>>96162218
what a whore
>>96163063
mirei will be faithful to him
Anonymous No.96164359 >>96164743
Reminds me that Chrono and Emi's VAs were together at one point

Imagine if it was Aoi Shouta
Anonymous No.96164743 >>96165257
>>96164359
I wish they stayed..
Chrono had a weird voice replacement in that one weird remake.
Anonymous No.96165026
bruh the intro of the trilogy start with the guvolt dead lmao, fuck the new players
Anonymous No.96165090
>>96162195
kek
Anonymous No.96165257
>>96164743
Kind of amusing how both Taizo's EN and JP VAs distinctly worked on Buddyfight for two radically different characters, and seemingly as a result, he's got a fairly good english actor.

Brutal in the english dub and Yuga in the original is kind of an odd correlation for the same character in vanguard
Anonymous No.96165329
>>96162195
>@ing her work twitter handle
God its so over. Its SO fucking over. Shes cooked.
I hope she just says its AI and shrugs that shit off lmao how the fuck is any of that evidence in todays day and age
Anonymous No.96165401
>>96162195
She fucks old men
Anonymous No.96165775
>>96162195
Damn I really liked her in 100 Girlfriends too.
Anonymous No.96165833
>>96163078
>mirei will be faithful to him
one word: vacations in paris
Anonymous No.96166378
>>96155474
I think it's the last Akina 'solo' season. We still have the moon thing happening and Rezael already got involved in that.
Next 2 seasons will probably be the GZ equivalent.
Anonymous No.96167351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AXQpImawSQ

When they put Panty and Stocking in Weiss ill buy a deck of it I swear
Anonymous No.96168514 >>96168951
>>96158807
>Bav support is kind of ass
??? The G1 is super good. I dont know what youre talking about. Its more draw AND soul set up for Bavsarga and because its a grade 1 she can bring it back. Also note too that its stand ability is in reality generic so it works with stuff like Esperarida and it gains +5k in Bavsargra herself.

Like they just banned the shit out of multiple Vailord usage and in the end all the deck really lost with that son of a bitch being @1 now is just 5k BUT IN RETURN it now gets more draw despite potentially removing 8 cards from the deck.
Anonymous No.96168951
>>96168514
It's not bad, but it does speak for Bav's power level that an upgraded Shenryi is ONLY good and not outstanding like it would be in nearly any other deck.

The draw effect is Bav locked since it requires two Arms and is only an 8k boost on its own, 13k after both restanding and if you have a Bavanguard; admittedly Sephirogila does get some milage out of this since it gets 13k at all times, letting it emulate the full board restand of Griph', but that deck already would want to run Shenryi and that deck's space is pretty tight as is with Espereidea, all of the marker generators and Retsuji along with Shenryi

I think the problem this card entails is that we're probably not getting a Yyugmashad hit anytime soon unless an Apalra/Yyug choice restriction is in the cards. This also doesn't change the fact Michiru would've lost if the Vairlord was used properly and a second Trickmoon was found to boost Bav' with as it would've made it so even Gallmageheld would've been a 1 to pass because Yyug' could swing and front row boost 10k before Bav' swings with Trickmoon's humongous 25k boost

To say it's a bad card by itself is ridiculous, but it ain't no Cindi, Vairlord or Trickmoon; if you can find the space then it's good, very nice, and all it's really competing with is Samadhi since Vairlord's to one so it's not like it's hard to throw in; it just demonstrates how cracked this deck is with all of the other shit considered that it's ONLY good, it compresses a free booster restander and Shenryi in a deck that can recur it and it's not outlandishly good

Also, don't you dare think this is comparable to Vairlord at all, that shit is literally a Persona ride without grade restriction every time it boosts, which is why Bav' would've been able to hit over Gallmageheld with just one trigger with Trickmoon, this is a good card, but it is nothing to Vairlord giving 30k-50k in total power just off of one boost, 150k+ was damn near unstoppable if it got that far
Anonymous No.96173605 >>96176531
AUTO: When this unit is placed on (RC), if you have a Grade 3 or greater vanguard with "Lisciafael" in its card name, choose a card from drop and put it into your soul, and this unit gets PWR +5000 until end of turn.

AUTO: When this unit is put from (RC) into soul by the ability of your grade 3 or greater vanguard with "Lisciafael" in its card name, choose one of your rear-guards in the back row and Stand it.


AUTO: When this unit is put from (RC) into soul by the ability of your grade 3 or greater vanguard with "Lisciafael" in its card name, SC1/EC1.
Anonymous No.96173636
im getting Gandeeva flashbacks with how fast Juicy-Fruity got a CC while Veissrugr took half a year and also a RRR slot for his

at least Artisaria eating good with access to the same card and also an Opart clone
Anonymous No.96176457 >>96176531 >>96176652
I heard rumos that Bushi is rewriting the Akina vs Megumi episode to have Megumi win as s a recompensation for what happened.
Anonymous No.96176531
>>96173605
Will the Destined Ones ever be relevant again?

>>96176457
lol, at least Bushi defended her
Anonymous No.96176652
>>96176457
that'd be a hassle considering Erika is in the other side of brackets and the intro hyped their fight up for three episodes now

i get Megumi's jobbed in both animated deluxes at this point but at least it wouldnt be to the same guy
vanguard noob No.96178535 >>96179150 >>96180563
I bought a loot of various different game cards that came with 2 decks and I don't know how to assemble them (if they're correct in number of cards, if I should use different shields on the ride deck, I don't even know what cards should go in the ride deck, etc.) Could someone help me assemble those? I'm not looking to play for tournaments I just wanna shield'em and have some fun learning the rules with a friend. I know ZERO about the game and don't wanna watch 99 youtube videos (or even worse, the anime) to learn how to play.

Deck 1:
4x miracle kid
4x battle sister, ginger
4x oracle guardian, nike
4x yellow witch meme
4x sphere magus
4x scarlet witch, coco
4x wistaria witch, zozo
4x sprout witch, roro
4x topaz witch, pipi
4x coral witch, zaza
3x oracle guardian, gemini
2x silent tom
2x oracle guardian, bia
2x battle sister, chouquette
2x Imaginary gift protect
2x Imaginary gift protect (horizontal card)
1x Lozengue magus
Deck 2:
4x dark knight of nightmareland
4x blitzritter
4x cursed doctor
4x histeric shirley
4x variants killertail
4x werwolf sieger
4x ghoulish despoiler
4x Imaginary gift protect
4x Imaginary gift protect (horizontal card)
4x appalling thread
3x variants shutarm
3x demon duke of death, baal
3x prisoner beast
2x demon eater
2x blood sacrifice, ruthven
2x silhouette tracker
2x alluring succubus
1x vermillion gatekeeper
Extra cards that I have that came with deck2:
4x werluchs gefreiter
4x pathfinder of wind
4x direful noise
4x cuticle assassin, sabina
4x authority of water
3x cuticle breaker, pavia
2x silhouette tracker
2x alluring succubus
2x blood sacrifice, ruthven
1x prisoner beast
1x variants shutarm
1x awful nail
Anonymous No.96179150
>>96157784
I think it flew over most people's heads that Drajeweled Magnus isn't supposed to be a quadruple drive, it's a god damn glorified restander, it loses a critical but restands and without drive check penalty if you have Geodrahl; you can just sack on the drive checking rearguard to emulate this

Both Drajeweled and Geodrahl even swung the exact same numbers in the anime, so it functionally was the same exact shit as if Drajeweled restood but lost a critical

No wonder Bushi restrained the fuck out of that skill considering how powerful Descendant was, this is just an inverted Descendant with how you still have 'argour to provide a second de facto rearguard swing and both happen to be limit break 4 skills
>>96178535
starting with V is an interesting choice, although not as bad as starting with Premium considering all of the wackass stuff that happens there
Anonymous No.96179867 >>96179941
New Liael has the same Divine Skill but an added skill of bind from drop, Drive+1
Anonymous No.96179874
>No subs
Anonymous No.96179941
>>96179867
Binds from rear or drop during the main phase to get +1 drive
Same bind on attack as Amorta
Same Divine Skill
Anonymous No.96180048
Anonymous No.96180563 >>96180900
>>96178535
You have cards from early V era which is a format that's mostly dead. If you just want to play with a friend, put the imaginary gift cards to the side and grab them when you ride a grade 3. Lozenge Magus and Vermilion Nail will be your starting vanguard, and in this format there is no ride deck.
The second deck can tweak their deck with the extra Dark Irregular cards. The only deck building rules is 50 card main deck, 16 triggers, with a maximum of 4 heal triggers, and 4 cards with the sentinel ability.
Anonymous No.96180630
So they gave Liael the Zorga treatment and turned the bind zone into the new toolbox that can convert a rearguard into any unit in the bind during the battle phase

Aside from that, once again a deck that has a counter to another deck's strategy wins the matchup; that is some piss poor bracketing to be matched up with the deck that sideboards one of the very few cards that can nullify during the kill turn as your first opponent in finals
>Moonkeepers vs. Paradise: technically unclear but current support suggests Moonkeepers can just beatdown the deck if Paradise doesn't get to go first, and even then Helgvarr is just a really good card in general that fixes 90% of Moonkeepers' issues as a deck
>Bavsargra vs. Drajeweled: we all know Bav' should've won this in a damn near landslide, despite Drajeweled having an answer for Vairlord since Ignis is just too slow for the matchup in spite of that; Ignis didn't even come into play so it wasn't really a counter
>Blangdmire vs. Draconis: the deck literally has a card designed to specifically screw over Blangdmire's Divine Skill kill turn in particular, and now Erika can just run her as an extra PG in the matchup with Draconis freeing her up to do so
>Magnolia vs. Rezael: Rezael is probably the better deck still, in spite of Akina never running Cerrgaon; Rifistor is also kind of nutty
>Paradise vs. Amorta: tossup, neither deck really has any interaction with the other, but Paradise does have the advantage going first
>Drajeweled vs. Rezael: I honestly think Drajeweled is the stronger deck in this fight, but Rifistor can fuck shit up if it gets sacked on a clap back kill turn; Michiru not running the Ignis engine would make the deck strictly worse since he could realistically grind out on Ignis nuking the backrow constantly or clap back hard on Magnus' double twin drive attacks if he goes second
>Rezael vs. Draconis: tossup
vanguard noob No.96180900 >>96180969
>>96180563
where can I find the rules to learn how to play with this cards?(unironically, I don't even know how to search for this)
Anonymous No.96180969 >>96180991
>>96180900
https://en.cf-vanguard.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/VGFG_ver5_02-1.pdf
https://en.cf-vanguard.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/VGFG_ver5_02-2.pdf
Here's the quick start guide from that era.
vanguard noob No.96180991 >>96181032
>>96180969
thx A LOT
Anonymous No.96181032
>>96180991
Also realized you had both Imaginary Gift markers. When riding a grade 3 with the gift marker, choose either the I or II version (vertical or horizontal) and gain it. For the rest of the game when riding a g3 again you gain the version you first chose. In Protect clans you generally want the sentinel (protect I) version.
Anonymous No.96181226 >>96182881 >>96188299
>sends Erika down to 0 cards in hand and absolitely nothing on field
>still loses
what the FUCK just happened.
how do you FUCK that UP. she didnt even pull OT.
Anonymous No.96181257 >>96182792
Erika was just yelling in front of live audience about how the guy murdered someone and nobody cared.
Anonymous No.96181290
They didn't care about how Nao was using an evil version of varga that totally couldn't be found in any booster set
Anaxabro No.96181343
Cheating is legal anons
Anonymous No.96181380 >>96181388 >>96181590 >>96181855
Anaxabro No.96181388
>>96181380
*the tournament loser bracket
Anonymous No.96181419 >>96181954 >>96181989 >>96182881
A triple drive and 5th attacker is enough for Liael to be meta, right?
Anonymous No.96181590
>>96181380
Anonymous No.96181855 >>96182785
>>96181380
Anonymous No.96181954
>>96181419
I'm not sure, just the fact that you can run Amorta as 4 extra PGs feels really good, but I wanna see the rest of the support, Dragonis didn't feel that much stronger and it's shame it didn't get a new rideline
Anonymous No.96181989
>>96181419
Shes always had a 5th attack because of her on attack bind. What stops Erikas Liael from being meta is her crappy board building. Odium will forever be the better deck till that gets addressed and she gains some rears that bring themself out from bind. I have more hope for Nanaclir
Anonymous No.96182785
>>96181855
kek
Anonymous No.96182792
>>96181257
They just thought she was acting
Anonymous No.96182881
>>96181226
This is on top of having a direct counter to his deck in the original liael and the answer is that she top decked persona ride and got a critical when she needed it off of a single drive check after suo ran out of gas

for how much she shouldve had the match in the bag with how she created an effect specifically to counter his deck, she fumbled and still got cooked in an alternate timeline
>>96181419
i kind of thought Amorta always had triple drive, but that seems to be imported from odium, and her multiattack skill is not as good as it was originally thought and still needs garnets in deck to work properly at least before persona ride

she is also still swinging for pissy numbers, at least Odium can clear up defensive triggers
Anonymous No.96188299 >>96189878
>>96181226
Blangdmire literally got clowned on irl too. People was hyping nexus and then it just jobbed to nerfed bavs. Deck is just kinda shit
Anonymous No.96189878
>>96188299
I have a theory that love and berry being as good as they are is why Bushi was hesitant to give Veissrugr a functioning engine beyond moon gate and the dog

someone theorized that they used fashionable witches main gimmick of filtering as a prototype for the moon gate and on top of that, the decks are supposedly really good even today since they go plus two on a filter with the clock and have all of the shit mythisch really want aside from situational numbers

a fucking collab is possibly why veissrugr was never allowed to come into the meta no matter how much bushi glorifies the deck in the anime
Anonymous No.96194936 >>96195077 >>96195134
Lyrical brothers we are eating good again
Anonymous No.96195077 >>96195134
>>96194936
Nani?
Anonymous No.96195134
>>96194936
>brothers
Simps

>>96195077
Marlean got good support, Artesaria got good support combined with an asspulled new token boss thats pretty good, Lisciafael got good support and Fortias up next. Its a pattern. Krysrain t1 soon
Anonymous No.96196617
Anonymous No.96196798
Magnus is definitely going to need a Vapula counterpart to ever be its own definitive deck because that card is genuinely insane the more I think about it.

Samupadru, a card that a lot of decks would kill to have, is straight up worse than it, and it's in a deck with three restanders and lets you get effectively three rearguard swings before essentially two vanguard swings with Magnus and Geodrahl, despite not even being a card for that deck

Magnus already has an answer for Zagan in Geo' that also enables the pseudo vanguard swing, if it gets a decent answer for Vapula then it 100% has a way to keep up with Ignis on its own while still being a good set up into Ignis for the dedicated Ignis and hybrid builds
Anonymous No.96200071 >>96201194
what would happen if Don Rickles narrated the tournament instead of Tomari? (he also has knowledge of the characters lives and conflicts)
Anonymous No.96200375
>>96162195
I mean, she's still retweeting stuff like bushiroad week stream just fine?
Anonymous No.96201194 >>96202342
>>96200071
Hot chance only Jinki likes the guy if he's at the Japanese Deluxe, although he'd be a pretty good choice for the American Deluxe

do we assume he can speak japanese?
Anonymous No.96202342
>>96201194
why not, be pretty funny if he cohosts with Tomari but neither can't understand each other
Anonymous No.96204368
I just realize that Yuna is probably belongs to a rich family since 西園寺 (saionji) surname is pretty much implies to have aristocratic origin
Anonymous No.96205093 >>96205589 >>96206500 >>96207524 >>96233189
The new Liael support is....ok. Probably a T2 deck at best
Anonymous No.96205589
>>96205093
Doesn't change the deck's bad numbers, at least Veissrugr always had Gullmani as a possibility and now has the ability to get the default 5k for everything on every turn off of Alfini and thus enable Garzorums on turn 4 onwards without having to minus at all, on top of Helgvarr being essentially a stronger Corino

Odium's chief advantage over Amorta is being able to deal with damage triggers, which screw the latter hard, and that ability to deal with damage triggers continues
Anonymous No.96206500
>>96205093
dont worry she'll get a PR that does CC1, +10k to the vanguard restands and be a PR
Anonymous No.96207524 >>96209520
>>96205093
You're telling me instead of making her skill EB3, they made it EB4 and then made the RRR EC1? In the same set where another card just gets triple drive for free by having three cards in archetype on the field

What the fuck game design is this shit, and her 5k doesn't even work on Liael herself? They couldn't even give her a Sfilt and had to make it a Sequanna for a 5k that souls itself only after using the call skill on a column

Am I missing something or is Bushi actually that scared of breaking this deck?
Anonymous No.96209520 >>96209915
>>96207524
They probably thought having 8 PGs makes the deck too broken
Anonymous No.96209712 >>96209915 >>96210007 >>96211832 >>96215221
What do you guys think makes Vanguard so interesting? After Vanguard banned Black Wing outside of Alestiel, I was so angry I trie a ton of card games to find a replacement, I even tried old formats of card games. But nothing was even remotely as fun as Vanguard.
Anonymous No.96209915 >>96211853
>>96209520
I guess countering a semi-meta deck a bit is something, even if it's not necessarily all that good at it as shown in the anime itself
>>96209712
It's kind of simple to play the bare minimum, and then you can optimize. Playing Vanguard is like blackjack with so many avenues for optimization and game variety, depending on the decks

Each fight can play out pretty differently, and unlike a bunch of other games, rarely does a Vanguard deck do a lot of stuff in the main phase and there's usually a comparable amount of main and battle phasing. the battle phase emphasis and the high aggression incentivized between triggers and the constant drawing as a result makes bullshit combos nigh unnecessary to get things done, adding to the ease of getting into it.

Vanguard is also a game with subtle interactions, the main resource is entirely decided on the opponent's choices and how well they know your deck, with decks rarely having the ability to work off of little counterblast; similarly, the opponent might misjudge and think the damage will work when you cant actually pop off, wasting their turn like how Akina won against Taizo. Cardfight Vanguard genuinely plays like a battle somewhere in which luck often decides the winner, it's not a rapid paced duel but a larger scale battle fought over stages between two opposing factions with their own methods to the art of war
Anonymous No.96210007 >>96210153
>>96209712
How does black wing outside of alestiel work? Is it rrally good to the point of getting banned?
Anonymous No.96210153 >>96211355 >>96211598 >>96212962
>>96210007
>Is it rrally good to the point of getting banned?
Not really, which makes it even worse. They basically "banned" it for no reason. I personally used to run it with my Sephirogila deck. The only card that is kind of busted is pic related, but even still...
Anonymous No.96211355
>>96210153
What was the usual package? I'm still not quite sure how deck other than alestiel want to use the engine
Anonymous No.96211425 >>96211598
Is bushi afraid to give Liael a counter charger?
Anonymous No.96211598 >>96212814 >>96212962
>>96210153
There was an order card in the JP format that could loop shit in the bind zone, or something like that, which while not immediately a problem was still the breaking point like Nannaclir to where bushi decided to errata the wings mechanic to Alestiel to futureproof it
>>96211425
That RRR should've countercharged and instead they make Liael's EB4 an EB3; shit like Sephirogila can get a bonus drive for basically CB2 for the marker generating cards if it can see smoke signals and that deck has some of the nastiest multiattacking if you're playing Dragon Empire so thats not an excuse for "balance"
Anonymous No.96211832
>>96209712
>What do you guys think makes Vanguard so interesting
definitely the whole boss monster/Vanguard aspect of it all. I just cant go back to other card games and watching my best monster get popped by cheap removal every single time. Or my card has to have an omni negate which means I auto lose against someone else who has an omni negate monster, or I have 3 instants to protect it and it becomes a chain 5. Or the best cards in my deck arent even part of the archetype, they're just generic OP cards. These examples arent just yugioh but I dont want to list every game.

In the 10 years of playing Vanguard I have never gotten tired of riding to grade 3. Its just such a satisfying experience. Especially with the ride deck now so we can never get grade stuck anymore, unless you play G4 decks I guess.
Anonymous No.96211853 >>96211966 >>96212831
>>96209915
>it's not a rapid paced duel but a larger scale battle fought over stages between two opposing factions with their own methods to the art of war
The battle phase in vanguard really does feel like an actual battle. Breaking through your opponents 10 card hand or defending against your opponents 5 attacks + restand. Split decisions on "well I could guard everything but it would mean I have nothing for my counter attack". And then gambling on triggers to save you in the end.

Its a very unique experience to vanguard since I havent played another game where you have to interact like that. Other games will just straight up end the battle phase with whatever instant they have
Anonymous No.96211966
>>96211853
In vanguard you can also just gloss over the battle phase, per damage denial, but that will also put you behind in card advantage in pursuit of a gambit that might not pay off

Similarly, in the case of something like Dragontree, you could call a rearguard to goad your opponent into attacking to get off a blitz order or otherwise get a card into drop, albeit that is extremely rare and not necessarily optimal considering Smoke Signals is a 20k shield turn three onwards in addition to marker generating, but can be pivotal if you're looking for the triple drive of sephirogila

Taking hits earlier to get your tools online faster comes with the cost of having to make greater risks later in the fight to survive the opponent's turn, and sometimes the opponent chooses to force one outcome or the other to create other scenarios like having a lot of cards in hand but no damage, and then Varga can effectively get rid of the excess hand later by retiring the rearguard

there's also certain decks' variance in early game, depending on the matchup; finding the right magic numbers to pressure the opponent can be a puzzle that only comes up every now and then depending on how well your deck toolboxes in the early game; it's one of the things Bav' limitations in the relatively vanilla early game preventing it from bumrushing the opponent as well as others, in spite of Cindi and Trickmoon being recurable, Yyugumashad can be a risky maneuver if you went second since the opponent can attack into it or otherwise retire it going into turn 3, requiring you to find more copies to get a major kill turn
Anonymous No.96212814 >>96212962
>>96211598
Yes, everyone knows bushi banned it for futureproofing. The card you are talking about is "High Five!" which binds itself. The reason this still doesn't make sense is because none of the effects of White or Balck wing cards are game breaking. A lot of the stronger effects like Piael already required Alestiel as a Vanguard.
Anonymous No.96212831
>>96211853
This is actually a good point. The battle phase of other games does feel sort of "dead" in comparison
Anonymous No.96212962 >>96214432
>>96210153
>>96211598
>>96212814
The second effect of Phenael is also strong, specially if you used her as your first attack.
Anonymous No.96214432
>>96212962
Yeah, this would be very strong in a generic multiattack deck that can get it off twice

I think it's less people complaining about game balance and more how Bushiroad isn't keen on deftly buffing decks to help them keep up after a while, which stuff like Ye Wandering Souls helped with when decks like Sephirogila are desperately lacking in methods of pushing for game outside of Dragon Empire and somehow kept Mushiking alive for what seems like four years
Anonymous No.96215221 >>96215465
>>96209712
Its the Vanguard mechanic itself and triggers.

It gets old really fast with how other games let you have multiple units with denial effects with some who determine your entire playstyle but they can get removed JUST like ANY other card. It just destroys agency and leads to really irritating turn by turns with multiple things working as a one sided floodgate. Vanguard limiting you to 1 that sticks with you the entire game makes it so youve always gotta reasonably stay on your toes.
As for triggers as much as people meme about them they are actually a great deterrant against OTK issues and just conceding early.

Its not like Vanguard doesnt have its own problems but theyre at least relatively unique problems compared to almost every other TCG out there that has every player bitching about how they lose too quick or feel like they get utterly denied out of playing.
Anonymous No.96215465 >>96215481
>>96215221
Triggers have gotten a bit rougher compared to before, but while the damage numbers have mitigated the issues of damage checking without negating their value in floodgating rushes, guarding can be utterly painful depending on the deck due to triggers doubling compared to the original format while anything that isn't a trigger having weak guarding power due to D Standard using the old values.

Even V knew to make G1s universally have 10k shield and made 10k vanilla G2s 10k as well, while in D your guard power is pretty finnicky unless you see a bunch of triggers
Anonymous No.96215481 >>96215504
>>96215465
I just want G Guardians back, one of my favorite mechanics and I loved G Guardian art.
Anonymous No.96215504
>>96215481
At the current level of power, a new G Guardian esque system like how they buffs G1 PGs to compensate for them still taking up actual deck space would be nice to see.

The effect heals were a nice start, but they're limited due to their conditions being a bit specific and often offset by trigger boosts and the sheer amount of power lately that the 10k boost isn't usually all that
Anonymous No.96217224
Is there any Stoicheia card, other than "A Gardener's tea" and "Rousing Rasp" that allows me to look at part of my deck and add a generic grade 2 to my hand while I'm grade 2?
Anonymous No.96217559
I put on my robe and Wizard hat to gain +1 drive
Anonymous No.96218363
So should I pick up the Hololive OCG? I noticed I could get Both a booster box and the starter for less than a single box of my main game.
Anonymous No.96222424 >>96223092 >>96224536
What happens at the end of DivineZ? Another reboot?
Anonymous No.96222511 >>96222574
How do people play and look at new cards nowadays? Last time I played was in the end of Overdress with Cardfight Area
Anonymous No.96222574
>>96222511
CFA is still in use and loaded up on most of the revealed support, i saw a guy stream it with the new mythisch and Nannaclir

i also see a new simulator of some kind and stuff like Tabletop Simulator sometimes
Anonymous No.96223092 >>96224765
>>96222424
Another cast change I'd guess, and maybe one or two new mechanics for the game itself. (Like Divine Skills and Energy Generator)
Anonymous No.96224536 >>96224765 >>96224822
>>96222424
They still are due to power creep guarding so probably not.
It would be financially smart to however because most of the defining mechanics have already gotten utilized and as a result most Vanguards are kinda similar and not only that but some have so much goodshit that the difference between something like Nanaclir as a new deck to Chronojet as a new deck is absurd.
Anonymous No.96224765
>>96224536
>>96223092
would be a good time to reintroduce the successor to G Guardians. Can even give a Rezael tier one to the new MC so he can plot armor his way until someone gets a Null G Guardian
Anonymous No.96224822
>>96224536
in hindsight giving Crest Decks Persona Ride but guaranteed every turn and able to scale seems extremely powerful even in today's climate

reminds me of V Gurguit the more i think about it
Anonymous No.96227535 >>96231415
Happy Birthday, best boy of the OG Vanguard and our HERO.
Anonymous No.96230250 >>96231104
About to attend a demo day for Weiss Schwarz Nikke set, what am I in for? I don't know how this game works but was told that event is made precisely to teach new players anyways. I'm a big fan of Nikke (only the designs, I don't play gacha) so I hope to have a good time and maybe buy a couple Nikke products there.
Anonymous No.96231104 >>96231489
>>96230250
>Nikke set, what am I in for? I
bad smell
Anonymous No.96231415
>>96227535
V really did this guy dirty, he didnt even get a presence in ~if~ did he?

they gave Revonn to Ruga albeit how little that guy got in G beyond being memed on as Valeos its almost deserved
Anonymous No.96231474
Episode played out exactly as you'd expect. They name dropped those mystery niggas again though.
Anonymous No.96231485
Megumi's legendary long lost brother
Anonymous No.96231489
>>96231104
Then I'll feel right at home.
Anonymous No.96231498 >>96231652
Biggest problem with the cours over the longer seasons is that they're much more likely to be extremely predictable due to the limited runtime to get shit done

I think it might have to do with how the cardfights in oD1 were much shorter on average and oD2 would still cut through some that those seasons could getaway with losses, and otherwise they wrote themselves an out for DZ3 with the lottery that only came up all of once, still skipped through most of the fights regardless and still gave Akina a W against Kagetsu after probably realizing just how weak his deck is in practice

the two parter finales are also likely biting into the available runtime
Anonymous No.96231501
Michiru is REALLY looking forward to fighting Akina.
Anonymous No.96231512 >>96231611 >>96231715 >>96232281
In a suprise twist, the Deluxe is taking a break next week so we can see Kyohma and Yuna duke it out over who is the least irrelevant character.
Anonymous No.96231611
>>96231512
Least irrelevant is easily Kyohma because he ties back to Taizo who is still a somewhat orchestrael character. Yunas connection is to Mikoto who is just... A joke. Both Yuna and Mikoto have no bearing on things and are ultimately are just a goon/no name boss duo.

Itll at least be a more worthwhile fight to see than Megumi vs Akina because the outcomes not dictated by plot and both of their decks have received quite a bit of support.
Anonymous No.96231652 >>96231814
>>96231498
>I think it might have to do with how the cardfights in oD1
outside of 4-5 episodes overdress 1 is filler most of the time so not really
Anonymous No.96231715 >>96231740
>>96231512
My wife Yuna is going to win
Anonymous No.96231740 >>96231782
>>96231715
>Lyrical winning
Clearly you didn't get the memo
Anonymous No.96231782
>>96231740
pray in the filler win
Anonymous No.96231814 >>96231823
>>96231652
overdress season one was admittedly mostly filler, but it managed to do so much filler in twelve episodes

aichi taking L after L in the first two seasons was one of the things that made it feel real, and Yuyu still took Ls when it mattered like against Tohya in season 1 which is almost unthinkable in DZ with Akina eating all of two actual Ls against Hikari and Raika and winning all of his important fights

not to say overdress season one was good but it had some elements worth mentioning regarding the nature of cours; it also demonstrates why they went with the current route of focusing on the card game
Anonymous No.96231823 >>96231912 >>96231912
>>96231814
>Yuyu still took Ls when it mattered
yuyu losing most of the time in his series....
Anonymous No.96231862
>Even ai make fun of yuyu...
Anonymous No.96231912 >>96231935
>>96231823
>>96231823
Yu-yu's on screen win/loss ratio in oD is actually 50/50, assuming we discount Megumi off-screening him

he only loses to
>Tohya, who's a tryhard
>Danji, who's hyped up
>Mirei, who's also hyped up

In w+D, his ratio is in the positives, and if we're being real he should've beat Gui at the start of season 3 since his sorry ass Dragontree deck went second and Vartex wasn't out, especially with his bullshit luck; they glossed over a turn so they didn't have to explain how his deck somehow survived that many grade 3 turns from the opponent who didn't brick his extremely bricky deck

In total, he's got a KDR of 12:10, at worst 12:11 if you count Megumi beating him in oD s2 but offset by him beating Zakusa offscreen in w+D to 13:11, which should realistically be 13/14:10/11 considering how Gui bullshitted his way to winning in w+D S3E1

He's not taking mad Ws and he screwed Michiru so hard in the semi-finals that he got hospitalized, but he's not a total loser all things considered; he did have a losing streak in oD that survived over a month and basically an entire season of episodes
Anonymous No.96231935 >>96231973 >>96232045
>>96231912
>, assuming we discount Megumi off-screening him
lets ignore megumi winning 6 times
Anonymous No.96231973 >>96231976
>>96231935
Why does he look like a brothel whore?
Anonymous No.96231974 >>96232023
>look guys we really wanted to make up to Megumi for xdress but we didn't have a lot to work with
It was a valiant effort at least
Anonymous No.96231976
>>96231973
what part of him being raped 6 times by megumi you didnt read
Anonymous No.96232023 >>96232045
>>96231974
>half the list is unknow
6/7 is not that bad
Anonymous No.96232045 >>96232061
>>96231935
Forgot the part where she smeared him, but we could also chalk that up to a gag

That was also before his training montage
>>96232023
Man, Megumi really only ate so many Ls as a result of being a side character in the multimatch tournament

She also killed it in oD, especially if we count the Yuyu curbing
Anonymous No.96232061 >>96232121 >>96232870
>>96232045
>She also killed it in oD, especially if we count the Yuyu curbing
it was pretty funny reading comments of her when i was waching overdress when outside of 1 random she won most duels
Also she is the first danji lost in the anime
Anonymous No.96232099 >>96232121
>No power gain
>Hard specification of first battle
>Specifically cannot be boosted

This might be the worst restander ive seen in OD yet
Anonymous No.96232121
>>96232061
She did take mad Ls during will+Dress, and also jobbed to Mikoto, I think she earned cruising through Deluxe 3 and needing to be Kagetsu'd out of quarters
>>96232099
Impaudio can scale, and also that EB2 to draw is dirt cheap for only needing two AutoMOD gauges; deck's lacked a fourth attack for a year now

I'm not too familiar with Impauldio to say for certain but that cannot be boosted clause is a bit unnecessary since I can't think of a way for the deck to also jack up the back row and creating a magic number shouldn't be too bad
Anonymous No.96232281 >>96232349
>>96231512
>Mikoto's fangirl will get a focus episode before Mikoto herself
Wow, truly the most tragic Divinez S1 character.
Anonymous No.96232349 >>96233013
>>96232281
I almost find it funny how her crush on Akina has been pretty much written out of the show since the writers have decided to just focus on Nao.
Anonymous No.96232870
>>96232061
Her technical win record isn't terrible but the issue is that she's a Vanguard heroine who tend to get very solid runs compared to Yugioh, receives a top billing and all the set up of being a main character, maybe even the main rival, and her wins tend to be seriously downplayed in the context of the show compared to her losses. Enough that they made her arc during the latest episode about her constant losses. Haruka is really her only victory in the series that has anything to do with the story. She's a "jobber" in the truest sense of the word in that she's the default pick to get her ass kicked to move the plot forward.

Expectations were really high with Megumi. They even billed her as a main character in DivineZ for some reason but that didn't really go anywhere.
Anonymous No.96233013
>>96232349
They are going the yuri route with her now.
Anonymous No.96233189 >>96233211 >>96233236 >>96233997
>>96205093
Shes a mid T2 in my book.
Her largest issue is the top decks(Vyrgillia and Bav and Bav can actually punish the Liael PG with the Axe) have better draw and also field manipulation while her own pieces struggle to come together for main phase. The field manipulation part is a big one however and she can actually get bricked by something as simple as Veissrugr being aggressive with Wolfszahn

Against anything else though that lacks the field manip, Liael will win outside of critical sack since she can pull off a 6 attack persona ride turn to rape hand and even if thats survived she can just casually drop her boatload of PGs when an attack is too dicey and likely Persona ride again because shes got a searcher for it while dropping a 48k drive checking Gabwelius
Anonymous No.96233211
>>96233189
>48k
38k. It can be 43k though if she bottom decks what she sees with the scry.
Anonymous No.96233236
>>96233189
>48k
36k. It can be up to 51k though if you bottom deck the scry,use the 5k g1 and boost.
Anonymous No.96233997
>>96233189
The meta right now seems to be based on how well you can handle your board getting nuked pretty much every turn, and sometimes dealing with hard removal; Bav' not only has recursion and consistently big numbers but is also nuking your front row every damn turn just as a byproduct of getting the crit pressure

Vyrgilla would actually be a funny matchup, due to Vyrgilla binding rearguards and thus setting up Liael's toolbox, if not for just how aggressive that deck is that it'll rip potentially several pieces out of hand early, especially if it went second
Anonymous No.96235201 >>96237201 >>96237866
Anonymous No.96237201 >>96237916
>>96235201
Akina gets to fuck THAT?
Anonymous No.96237254 >>96237388 >>96237916 >>96238554
Kagetsu gets to fuck THIS!?
Anonymous No.96237388 >>96238554
>>96237254
Yes
Anonymous No.96237866 >>96242514
>>96235201
Imagine the mental damage on Hikari if this was the endgame
Anonymous No.96237916 >>96237935 >>96238554
>>96237201
In a universe where Akina actually listened to Fox Mask and nao dies due to Suo's wish
>>96237254
>vanguard player his whole life
>arguably the best player in his country
>top of his game
>loses a single cardfight on a carousel
>takes it well at first
>"what is your reason for playing vanguard?"
>lowkey crashes out for the first time in his life
>pushes himself hard to answer this question
>returns to the carousel
>highkey crashes out just because he couldn't tell her his reason
>so hard in fact that he gives up on life
>unironically starts living in his friend's candy shop for many years
>still plays vanguard, addiction is real
>get invited to some big tournament, doesn't think much of it
>juices a relatively inexperienced player while using a kneecapped version of his deck
>asks the same question that put himself into this situation
>takes responsibility and partakes in the tournament to give the guy a shot at telling him an answer
>turns out to be the best choice of his life
>gets to meet the lady from the carousel again in top 8
>as his first match no less
>"my reason for playing vanguard is that i am a tryhard"
>loses anyway to trigger sacking
>still demands a phone number despite everything
>practically bags her while wearing wackass kung fu jacket over homeless man clothing
does this mean he beats the simping allegations or is he just a mixed bag?
Anonymous No.96237935
>>96237916
he is the ultimate cuck
Anonymous No.96238024 >>96238139
on one hand, he did straight up demand a phone number despite taking an average Vanguard L

on the other hand, bro really went into the cardfight with a cuck mentality and had to pull a V series by nostalgia tripping his way into being successful
Anonymous No.96238139
>>96238024
>demand a phone number
to a girl without phone...
Anonymous No.96238554 >>96238559
>>96237916
Kagetsu wasnt a simp because he doesnt bend over backwards for Rukas sake. He was just hurt because he really enjoyed their fight and then she vanished.

>>96237254
For 3 days and 3 nights... Shame there wont be doujins

>>96237388
Who is the pink bitch?
Anonymous No.96238559
>>96238554
oc https://x.com/Narutatata2/status/1951700123299598644
Anonymous No.96242514
>>96237866
Anonymous No.96242754 >>96244073
>>96162195
The phone in second pic actually matches. It is over
Anaxa No.96244073
>>96242754
Anonymous No.96244533
the best form of subtle bushiroad merch
Anonymous No.96245151 >>96245375 >>96245959
>>96162195
Wait, everyone kept talking about "cheating"... but apparently she is not even married? WTF, she is not even an idol, she is just a voice actor. Why do people care????
Anonymous No.96245375
>>96245151
>wasn't even engaged or an idol
are people just malding Megumi's VA got game?
Anonymous No.96245959 >>96246276
>>96245151
Her boyfriend suspected she cheated on him with another guy so he hired a detective. Then this so called dectective just threw a bunch of photos that he got from the boyfriend onto the internet as you can see

Also it is kinda funny to me personally because she voices Akari from assasult lily and this character is obsessed with unicorns and even has a song about unicorns. Might as well just change the lore from unicorn to horse at this point
Anonymous No.96246276
>>96245959
ah, she got a boyfriend. It makes sense now. Yeah that's unacceptable. It's a good thing japan still upholds some kind of standard.
Anonymous No.96246540
None of it was true. She is innocent and pure.
Anonymous No.96246877
Yeah, pure slut
Anonymous No.96247075
Are there webcam events for Vanguard and Hololive, like there are for some bandai games? I'd love to play Vanguard again but there's no scene for it here.
Anonymous No.96252312
Anonymous No.96253194
What should I look at if I want to get into Vanguard? Like in terms of Products, etc?
Anonymous No.96253325
New Thread: >>96253307