But ashes are an uncountable object, of course they're without number

>>96069345 (OP)
We know you're one of us kevin.

>>96070423
Kevin just couldn't be bothered adding quattuordecillion to his word processor's dictionary.

>>96069345 (OP)
Post PDF or fuck off, Kevin.

>>96070255
their numbers are without number

>>96072086
I thought that PDF posting is still down?

>>96073154
but you can always link it from catbox

>>96069345 (OP)
PDF now.

>>96069345 (OP)
>my favourite author has released a sourcebook for my favourite genre
Holy fucking kino. I love Kevin Crawford's work so much that I'm already rushing to buy this before I've even seen't its pitch. If it's (You) shilling, thank you for everything you've done and everything you're doing! By Yaldaboath, I love roll tables. I love them so much.

>>96069345 (OP)
What’s Kevin going to be doing next, do we know? I’d like a 2e of Godbound that’s not as unbalanced as heck, maybe rebranded as “Gods Without Number”, but if not, I’d certainly like to see a supers book, maybe “Heroes Without Number”. What about you?

Where's the fucking PDF, cunt?

These tables are the post-apocalyptic oracles I've been wishing for.

>>96076105
Superheroes seems like a reasonable direction, but I'd also like some more one-on-one Scarlet Heroes-type material (not necessarily Asian fantasy).

>>96076105
He said his next Kickstarter is "Stars Without Number" reprint. However I think "Heroes without Number" would be the best bet. (Though "Gods without Number " would be the best 2e name for Godbound.

>>96077584
Wait, is it just a Kickstarter for another offset print run or SWN, or an update?

>>96070255
Ashes come in discrete particles. They're totally countable.

>>96077688
Just another Offset print run, though if I remember they might be adding something to it.

>>96077757
Damn, that might actually be the thing that makes me kickstart something, if it's not insanely expensive.

>>96077794
My guess it be like 80 60-80 bucks. They might add 10 bucks for the "get your name on the backerlist" and all.

>>96070423
Wow. Don't think we've gotten a dogwhistle like this since Dark Heresy 1e. And we definitely don't warrant the acknowdgement these days, lol.

>>96069345 (OP)
>Not giving title
>Not giving description
>Please google it yourself, so our game gets free positioning
>At least get into our thread to help it on 4chan
Kill yourself. Or at least learn basic marketing, you dumb cunt.

How good is the without number series of books? I heard a little about them, and I am looking for something to run a post-apocalypse sci-fi setting in.

>>96079057
slop for tourists & resellers

It's got some decent tables and procedures for near-future apocalypses. I actually would have preferred Kev cut out the distant-future 'mutant wasteland'/Other Dust setting fluff and totally dedicate to modern-day crises like the blurb suggested. Or at the least keep zombies but have that be it. I feel like it would have focused the final product.

>>96078678
Dogwhistle works well I guess, it's lost on me. What's the reference here?

>>96079146
>Not recognizing the majesty of Local Lord posting in an instant
Such Arrogance!

But really, "tally the local lord's men-at-arms in full harness" is a very particular wording, so that's what I'm guessing is the meme/joke here

>>96079146
>Dogwhistle works well I guess, it's lost on me. What's the reference here?
Local lord posting?

>>96079057
Probably the best games to use a d20 system, for what that's worth. The core books are free (there are paid versions with bonus content) so take a look yourself if you want.

>>96079057
There are pretty good. They're not the DND but with a gimmick or enough changed not to be sued. Though that's because he used Traveller games as a base. But the system is very DM friendly and give you a lot of tables to pull from as well as gimmick to help you make the world feel alive. I would suggest it to anyone and their is a free PDF that gives you a good idea of the system to try out. So would suggest trying that then buying the full game if you like it.

>>96069345 (OP)
Hey, I hear that this guy’s random tables are pretty good, can anyone post some of them (from any book I mean) here while we’re waiting for the PDF please?

>>96078740
>can't read text in images
Update your shitty bot.
>>96079622
There's a share thread, which currently includes a link to Ashes. Also all his Without Number games have a free version that includes 90% of the content, with the rest being optional extras. If you can't find these games yourself you're a retard and didn't fucking try.

>>96077724
Then the ashes in my fireplace are without number.

>>96079744
This is an insanely retarded thing to be autistic about, there are many numbers you could ascribe to those ashes even ignoring counting each single grain being unreasonable it has weight, volume, mass etc... and "without number" still Implies an unimaginable amount of whatever substance even if you didn't think you could count it normally.

>>96076105
Oh yeah, how the heck did Godbound get released at all when it was that bad?

>>96069345 (OP)

>>96084489
Godbound is just about the only SN game I haven't read through (besides the African one). What was so bad about it? I kind of liked the idea of throwing my players into godhood.

>>96077584
>>96077550

He's mentioned previously that he thinks that the supers genre doesn't really gel with his osr adjacent style. Something about heroes being too reactive, waiting around for villains to do something rather than going out and adventuring on their own so its possible but im not really holding my breath.

>>96084674
That's reasonable. Maybe it could be restructured to have heroes as explorers of a ravaged world or something. I've enjoyed the way K experiments with templates and tags for adventures, and I think there could be a lot in that concept for hero work.

>>96084705
Oh for sure, there's no doubt that if he tackled it he'd come up with something worthwhile to do

>>96084674
you teasing Villains Without Number, Kevin?
Looking forward to it.

>>96084952
I can see it now. Dungeons Without Number. Provides a toolkit for playing as high-level dungeon monster commanders in charge of their own haven they build up over time in between pillaging nearby villages and fending off plundering heroes. Could use a tweak of the settlement/faction/resource rules K attaches to every game, and can double as a structured GM tool to create dungeon sites for other OSR games.

>>96084674
That has nothing to do with the superhero genre. The player characters, as in any game, behave however the players decide they do.

>>96084496

Yes, that thread and this thread are advertisements, well done.

>>96079177
Googling this unfortunately lead me to 2d4chan. How the hell did 1d4chan get replaced by something obviously written by redditors?

>>96072086
Repeating this forced meme, doesn't make it any less newfaggy, newfag.
Learn to use the catalog.

>>96069345 (OP)
Isn't that this old Fallout-style thing with post-nuclear war USA invaded by mutated soviets and ayy lmaos?

>>96084560
It's a bit unbalanced. Some Words in particular are rather OP compared to the others. It's been a while, but IIRC Fire is one of them.

>>96078678
There's a sensible chuckle to be had in the
>legally actionable
gender marketing of Cities without Number too.

>>96085532
Neglectful and apathetic editors. Not that the "local lord" meme was really that funny after the first few times anyways, when autists who weren't aware the meme was making fun of their mudcore fetish just got emboldened to go even further with it.

>>96085532
neither of them are good

>>96086597
you think they weren't aware? lol

>>96085356
That fucking turdie scattering of letters in the name field is the icing on the cake.

>>96089346
Only in the sense that I think they were unaware it was never that funny to begin with. The trolls absolutely took it and ran it into the ground for the lulz, I'll agree on that.

>>96070255
Ashes can be measured numerically in many ways, from counting the individual grains to measuring the volume, the weight, etc.

>>96090005
Can't wait for Kevin to do a seafaring RPG called Water Without Number.

>>96091896
Waves Without Number.

>>96078678
>dark heresy 1e
I haven't played Dark Heresy anon, you wanna enlighten me to whatever /tg/ reference is in it?

>>96092824
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Guy_Who_Cried_Grendel

>>96092472
Seas Without Number could also work, or Oceans.

>>96094378
I like Seas more. Sounds neat.

>>96092908
>1d6chan
begone faggot

>>96100746
Can't believe he's still trying to make it a thing. Last big press he did not only failed but got a janny fired.

>>96100746
Would you rather someone linked to TVTropes?

How does it compare to Gamma World?

>>96100789
What’s wrong with TV Tropes?

>>96105242
Nothing, it's just TVTropes. But people sperg out if you post links to it like they do for 1d6chan/2d4chan

>>96078678
Most of the osr was part of /tg/ and likely still lurks.

>>96106522
>most of the OSR was /tg/
That might have been true at some point in time but the original OSR movement came from various boomer forums around the time when 4chan was really young and most people posting here where underaged.

>>96106791
was part of ≠ origin.

>>96082461
its called a joke, a tease, a gaff, an autism filter.

>>96069345 (OP)
>>96070423
Crawford, I have to be honest, you are overly wordy and you really need to get to the point in your books. You are not Gygax who at least had a fun author personality with his grognard ramblings that endeared some kind of engagement. Its just dry.

I like your systems, but I always have to rewrite even the quick reference sheets to be quicker and more referable.

thank you for your time,

Anonymous

>>96084674
I've been thinking about this sort of thing because I really want to use SWN. I've been trying to develop a setting that essentially boils down to infinite dungeon delving trying to make a "story" based setting never really vibed with me on top of my own inability to actually write a novel or a compelling plot line.

>>96105260
I prefer 3d6 chan personally.

>>96070423
>local lord's men at arms in full harness
lol I thought you were kidding but that's about as unsubtle as it gets

>>96107564
This caused a lot of the leftpol nusr scene to lose their minds, at least until the next purge came up.

>>96085532
1d4chan was basically abandoned by the admin. So after three months-long outages, a group of people scraped the site and put it on a new wiki with open registration. It started off okay, but they decided to put together a Wikimedia-esque editor council and they decided that it was too "dangerous" to leave certain content on the wiki. So they scrubbed certain articles and content, then they started getting all huffy when people started editing the wiki and using it like the old 1d4chan and not following their guidelines about significance and newsworthiness.

>>96100746
>Don't post the reference, only true neckbeards will get it
>If you do I will call you a redditor for trying to share board culture
Stupid.

>>96085532
1d6Chan exists, you know...

>>96109545
1d6 is not board culture. Its a damned skinwalker run by power hungry fags.

>>96109534
>>96109814
Both of them flood the freakshit article with apologia and weasel words, and somehow neglect to mention aasimar, genasi, and firbolgs.

>>96100789
Unironically yes. TVtropes isn't wearing stolen 4chan valor, it's unironically reddit and makes no attempt to disguise itself.

>>96111532
Except the part where it predates reddit.

>>96111537
I don't mean 'reddit' in the sense of it literally being the website Reddit, but in the slur sense that they have the same dogshit epic bacon culture.

I feel somewhat petty casting stones in /tg/'s current condition, but the point stands. Better them than fake faggots.

>>96111532
I'll take note of that, although I'm blaming you if I'm called a faggot regardless.

Actually, nah, I won't. I have a feeling even if I tried to make a screencap of the relevant thread bits on my own, I'd still get called a faggot for "spreading shitty stories" or whatever the fuck 4chan gets its panties in a twist about this week.

>>96111570
>I don't mean 'reddit'
Then don't use the word, you fucking retard.

>>96111570
>in the slur sense that they have the same dogshit epic bacon culture
Wow.
By this argument 4chan is reddit, as is youtube.
Stop engaging in console war faggotry. Websites aren't tribes, they're data you access.

I ended up getting ashes without number alongside cities without numbers, and both of them seem like a lot of fun to run. You can kind of do full blown hexcrawl or more traditional dungeon-esque stuff as well which is nice. They work well together. I only really noted one flaw where a couple of page numbers are wrong for certain descriptions, mainly page 27 I believe.

>>96114440
>implying different social media don't have and promote different cultures
Try visiting a smaller traditional forum sometime. You may be surprised at how differently people act!

>>96113987
'reddit' has been 4chan slang for 'gay' since like 2011 or 12.

>>96111537
>>96111532
I miss troper tales

>>96114440
>Websites aren't tribes
...he says, about websites that host communities that often engage in tribalistic behavior.

>>96116750
I don't really see why. This is basically the premise of the Attack Helicopter story, which admittedly also had backlash crucifying its author but which was a really good piece of SF writing. Of course a society focused on hypercapitalism and commodification will commodify gender.

>>96120852
My bad meant for >>96109492

>>96107077
Dude might unironically be the most successful independent ttrpg publisher of our era weirdly enough. I'm sure he did a breakdown where he makes like 7 figs a year off his stuff.

>>96120852
>>96120857
Because if they admitted that gender is subject to external influence rather than being an immutable property of the soul, then they'd have to start asking uncomfortable questions about how they ended up the way they are.

How does Worlds without numbers compare to hyberborea. Are they easily convertible between each other? I am liking Ashes without numbers so far, but that is a classless system where WWN has classes.

>>96127275
Not OP, but I know nothing about the latter system, sorry.

>>96109492
That's pretty fucking funny.

>>96127275
AS&SH is mostly AD&D, there will be some bits likely if you're using the various sine nomine shock stuff but it should by and large work out. The entire design of the without-number stuff is to be utility tables and ideas for various osr games.

>>96077584
Lots of people are betting on an update for Silent Legions, which will probably have a cringy name like "Horrors Without Number" or whatever.

>>96139352
>>96084674
Speaking of Silent Legions, isn't horror, especially Lovecraftian horror, also "reactive"? Something has to happen for the investigators to get inspired to investigate. They're not wandering the Earth looking for monsters (usually, at least in this particular subgenre).

Asses Without Number
You know people would buy it

>>96139420
Ah, yes, the OSR senate simulator RPG.

>>96135500
There's likely other gems in various books. I'm surprised there hasn't been a fatwa about Spears of Dawn.

>>96076105
Whores without number.

>>96139660
>>96139420
That's Alpha Blue, different guy.

>>96139352
"Mythos' Without Number"
"Old Ones Without Number"
"Geometry Without Numbers"

lol yeah that's a hard one to name, idk whats not going to sound clunky

>>96140191
>>96139352
Monsters without numbers? Creatures without numbers? Nightmares without numbers could also work.

>>96140268
Nightmares Without Number is kinda cool if you imagine someone finding it without any context, like it's the first time they see the gimmick name.

>>96139352
If he does, I think an excellent idea for a "deluxe edition" type addition (I know Kevin loves those) would be a "play as the monster" kind of framework, a la World of Darkness, Nightlife, etc.

You got to admit it's nearly as iconic a form of "horror roleplaying" as Call of Cthulhu monster investigators by now

plus if you wanna do the "active/reactive" argument I think something like V:tM can ironically have a much more sandbox feel than CoC in many ways.

>>96070423
>Sine Nomine
= Without a name, used on books with no known author, so basically, anonymous works.
If you think about it, it's pretty obvious.

>>96079057
I kinda hate how he wants your skill rank to mean something in a roll, like someone who rolls badly with a +3 pilot will somehow pilot the ship magically better vs someone who isnt skilled in pilot but rolled the same. Meanwhile combat is the typical super restrictive d20 where a 10 is a 10 no matter. I also think combat in It is very boring as you can only really roll to attack until shit dies.

>>96069345 (OP)
Great, very exciting. Fantastic.

Now give me Godbound 2e.

>>96139414
>Something has to happen for the investigators to get inspired to investigate
Silent legions has lots of material to generate cults and alien races and their motivations and activities. I bought the book for the generative content and haven't run the actual system in the book so I can't speak to its effectiveness but it seems like it would be fine. Part of what silent legions is doing with its tables is generating what the sinister forces are actually trying to do. He also says
>The only things that are going to happen without your ambition are going to be extremely bad things. Every hero needs a goal, whether it be as general as “oppose the eldritch evils of the world” or as specific as “decapitate the Luminous Order’s leadership”. Heroes who simply sit and wait for the adventure to come to them will not be pleased with the result
So basically silent legions run as intended assumes that bad shit is happening and you are playing a character with an active interest in getting involved in at least some of it in some way.

>>96140191
Horrors Without Number
Darkness Without Number
Cosmos Without Number (as a play on Stars but it's cosmic horror)

>>96140191
Conspiracies Without Number?

>>96142468
>>96142486
I'd rather it just keep the silent legions name than have a name change to a stupider one. But I imagine the "without number" brand identification is probably pretty important to Kevin and I respect that.

>>96140495
ohhhhhh
Neat.

>>96120937
There's still room for them in the "authentic" self-made identities. The fact they're maligned by the corporate status-quo makes them decent "scrappy underdog" fodder by default in a cyberpunk setting. If biocon gender essentials have a countercultural cool factor then so do those who wrest away capital's grasp on self-expression as best they can.

TLDR there's nothing inherently off-putting about >>96109492 unless you're looking for excuses to be offended.

>>96107077
Shit take.

Thank you for your time,

Anonymous

>>96142325
>Now give me Godbound 2e.
What the other anon said.

>>96077550
Wasn't Godbound explicitly Crawford's attempt on a superhero game? Like, by his own definition? He wrote about it and shit

>>96141767
Must be near impossible to houserule. I feel your pain Anon.

>>96094378
Sails, friend. Sails.

>>96070255
>burn a log of wood
>receive one ash
>burn a pile of cardboard
>receive another ash
>thereby possessing 2 discrete ashes

>>96147403
>>96147403
>>96147403
>>96147403
Godbound is closer to Exalted/demigods/cultivation fantasy stuff rather than modern capes.

>>96139420
I would only buy the alternate version, boobs without number

>>96149766
gay

>>96149656
>Godbound is closer to Exalted/demigods/cultivation fantasy stuff rather than modern capes.
Isn't there even a conversion thing between the two systems?

>>96158861
>>96149656
Exalted IS a superhero game. Living in Manhattan isn't a concrete part of the genre rules.

Speaking of godbound. Would anyone mind giving me a run down of the strife of torment defied and the word of freedom? What about some of the other character options from ten buried blades? Are they interesting options or just sort of there?

I wish we could have a Godbound that wasn't tied to DnD/ OSR. It's not a good fit at all and is a millstone around the concept's neck.

>>96153287
How are boobs gay? (Outside of moobs or trans with fake tits.)

>>96164639
>this fag likes girls

How's Worlds as a D&D replacement? I feel like it's modern enough to be an easier sell to 5e players

Does Kevin have a game that would be good for playing cave grugs?

>>96166176
WWN is a better D&D than 5E on every level that matters.

>>96077724
>>96082461
Illiterate autismo.

>>96070255
Kek.

>>96077724
>>96082461
>>96090005
Illiterate autismo.

>>96167553
Just givin'er at whatever huh?

>>96167399
Maybe Worlds Without Number if you take out most of the magic?

>>96167262
WWN is the perfect replacement for 5E and I recommend/shill it to everyone

I'm going to have to go through my old Gamma World d20 stuff to see if there's anything interesting to convert. KC's stuff is obviously more approachable than D20, but I liked White Wolf's nanomachines and soultech take on the apocalypse.

>>96111570
People like you deserve to be drowned.

>>96072086
you didn't even look in the most basic place
retardation without number

>>96082461
that's not an absolute value, just an approximation. how am i supposed to be immersed in this post-apocalyptic roleplay if i only have an estimation of the value of ashes?