Reminder that James does not give a shit about your game, your lore or your hobby. The ONLY thing he cares about is selling you HIS personally mandated selection of overpriced plastic toy soldiers. He absolutely gutted 40k, AoS and now HH (TOW is next btw) for fear that you just MIGHT indulge in some despicable hobbying and source bits and parts from sources that are not his. Oh and so you have to shell out for a new army every 3 years.There is nothing pro-games or pro-workshop in the name "Games Workshop", you might have noticed that they changed their name to "Warhammer" to reflect this. They have openly stated they are a miniatures company only. Making games for "Warhammer" is an obligation, because they know that the gaming side of things still draws a lot of people, and if they didn't make games they know that many of their consumers would start looking at other products. The game is simply a lasso. But they are only going to put in as much effort as they deem financially viable.

You and your army that you've had for years, full of kitbashed and alternatively sourced minis are not their ideal customer. Timmy and his mother's wallet are. Timmy sees cool toy soldiers, buys them, paints a handful and calls it a day. Repeat this thousands of times and that is James' target. Not you. Not the game player, hobbyist or lore nerd.

Start voting with your wallet. You can still enjoy Warhammer, as it was designed and played by the people who originally wrote and cherished it. Play the good editions of your favourite Warhams game. But for the love of god stop giving this shitty, shitty company your money. Buy alternatives, recasts or 2nd hand. It's that easy, and cheaper.

The fact I've said any of this will make a demented cohort of diehard paypiggies absolutely seethe and lose their shit. Just remember, pig, that James laughs at you.
>we have a customer base that devours everything we do

I will buy the cathay

>>96070992
Of course you will. The Cathay box that has zero customisability outside of what's in the box (a portent of what's to come for TOW). You will assemble half of it, paint a quarter of it and then never touch them again. You are James' favourite customer.

>>96070984 (OP)

Fearful TOW player who loves conversions and hates Space Marines here. Bring me up to speed on what's happened with Horus Heresy losing cool options?

>>96071004
10E 40k and 4E AoS are the most hated editions of their respective games. They killed all flavour and customisability. The same has happened to HH, even though people coped and said SDS was safe. James does not want you thinking independently or "hobbying". James wants you to buy his plastic as is, and then buy it again 3 years later with a new "edition". James does not want you to think that you can mix and match bits and pieces from other miniature ranges. As a result the games lose all the flavour and uniqueness that makes your dudes yourdudes. They've basically turned Warhammer into a CCG but with miniatures.

TOW is next, Cathay was the start of it.

>>96070984 (OP)
>Buisness wants your money
I AM SHOCKED

>>96070984 (OP)
>Timmy and his mother's wallet are. Timmy sees cool toy soldiers, buys them, paints a handful and calls it a day. Repeat this thousands of times and that is James' target.

Its not the late 80s any more. "Timmy" nowadays is called Jamal or Mohammed and he cares not a single bit about a boring white guys nerd hobby, nor can his mom afford it.
GW is aimed towards Timmy from the 80s/90s, who is now Tim, and an adult with a job and income to spend on expensive hobby products, and who also has nostalgic feelings towards your pic related, hence why they do release character models that emulate the old artworks so often.

>Buy alternatives, recasts or 2nd hand. It's that easy, and cheaper.

And if our Tim is smart, he does just that.

>>96071026
>retard never experienced the days when Games Workshop wanted your money but also wanted you to enjoy the game you were playing and have fun hobbying

>>96071018
The current version is always the most hated one.

>>96071040
>but also wanted you to enjoy the game

Take off your pink nostalgia googles. They always wanted to make money.

>>96071038
This is also true but James is on record for saying his target is young newcomers.

>>96071018

I know about 40k and AoS, I'm just not up to speed specifically with the recent Horus Heresy controversy, when the game previously had a similar amount of options to TOW. Can someone please spare me the cutesy LARP speak and explain what the changes to list building and options in the new edition of HH are?

>>96071048
No shit. They've always been a business. The difference is in their philosophy. You cannot compare Games Workshop of the 90s to "Warhammer" of 2025.

>>96070984 (OP)
>The company is... not... my friend?
I despise you losers who haven't grasped this by the time you grow chin hair and think they have anything important to say.

>>96071056
>You cannot compare Games Workshop of the 90s to "Warhammer" of 2025.

Of course not, but you also can not compare the players/the customers from back then with a digitalized crowd today.

>>96071048
It is not nostalgia-tint-speak to recognize that GW at one point was at a better balance between the pursuit of profit and the spirit and fun of the hobby.
The balance has now tipped in favor of the pursuit of profit.
I personally think it was when DIY stuff became less prominent in books by GW. But it gets foggy when trying to pinpoint when the shift happened.

>>96071113
I think it began when they started to sell those bigger terrain sets. You cant teach people to make gothic ruins and bunkers from cardboard when you actually want them to buy your plastic ones. But that is something i can see the logic about, and i can understand to some degree.
But its the current style of modern marketing speech that is so horrible.

Im a newfag because I got into 40k by 8th edition but I have never ever ever given a single cent to GW directly because I don't want to support their business practices.
>My codexes
Scanned
>My miniatures
Recasts
>My dice
Flea market ones
>My LGS
Don't have one I play with friends in each other's houses
>My merch
None because that's cringe
>New models
Proxy slop
This also suits me rather well because all these arrangements make it so I pay less than a third of the price I would normally. It's so easy to find all of these too I can't fathom why anyone would buy proper official 40k stuff at all in this day and age. You can consoom but at least be smart about it

This is what the Lego movie was talking about.

>>96071053
They killed a ton of options for units that have had those options since 1.0, including options on plastic kits they currently sell. Resin kits are now strictly what you get on the kit ... Sometimes (extremely haphazardly applied, loyalist units lost all options while many traitor units kept or even gained options).

>>96070984 (OP)
based

>>96071153
Good zoomie

>>96071271
Which options did they kill so far? It really seems like SDS has a huge boner for certain factions ,usually chaos, for their games. I heard rumors that GW as a whole hired random social media influencers as playtesters and rule writers. I could easily see some random guy trying to hype up chaos or make them more popular. The new middle earth army book has a dragon faction that is just absurdly under-costed for what they can do.

>>96071271
>loyalist units lost all options while many traitor units kept or even gained options
What if this isn't just another move to kill 3rd party bits/hobbying but also a grab at making Loyalist Marines essentially Primaris across all eras?
>Since the 18 Legions the Emperor's Angels have had fixed loadouts with no tactical flexibility

>>96070984 (OP)
It's pretty rare I buy anything GW except for their books and second hand minis. I try to avoid giving them money directly as much as possible.

>>96071665
>What if this isn't just another move to kill 3rd party bits/hobbying

I honestly think its just their inability to write a proper, balanced, ruleset without too much bloat due to constant new releases. And once the bloat happens, they only see squatting as an solution.
3rd party stuff is digital for the most part these days, and its not really affecting them. They also life from GWs constant stream of new releases, and they just follow them by releasing proxies for the next GW models.
In a way its benefitting them, because if i had some STL files for a unit that is now squatted, i will most likely buy another STL file for the new units.

And for those companies that make bodies, or alternative helmets or shoulderpads etc, it hardly matters either.

>>96071153
>books
ebooks, with some exceptions of older codicies that i get from ebay, if they are a good deal. I recently bought the Tyrannid 5th edition codex for 6€ for example.

>minis
printed and/or from china

>dice
aliexpress

>LGS
My basement

>merch
Temu (pic related, because its amazing)

>new models
Same as above. Friendly chinese people provide me with everything i need. Or prints obviously.

>>96070984 (OP)
I print my Own TrueScale Marines.
Cost Nothing.

Most of my group have been printing since covid. Not a single € was given to GW.

And to think people still pay for rules that are available in PDF.
lmao.

>>96071048
granted but there was a time when the people making the games also ran the business.

Hey, wait a minute! I only buy miniatures to paint and put on a shelf!

>>96071991
Even bigger reason to buy them from a russian or chinese recaster.

>>96071869
Fuck those are ugly.
Do you even paint your minis?

>>96072029
I only support white people

>>96071048
Of course they want to make money; they're a business, but the difference in culture is night and day. Back in the early-mid 2000s, GW sold (for profit) a book on how to make your own wargames terrain, which included how to make terrain out of foam board and trash. One $20 investment gave a poor teenage player all the insight needed to make the same terrain they saw in White Dwarf. Keep in mind that this was in the early days of the internet, before youtube and other places that taught this stuff for free. Nowadays, GW wants you to buy their overpriced injection molded terrain and nothing else.

>>96071153

Where do you get your paints?

>>96072186
NTA but there are tons of companies these days that do mini paints which are just as good. Don't let James fool you with his "bro you absolutely NEED Doombull Brown for this paint job". Army Painter and Vallejo are good.

>>96072197
ArmyPainter is alright. Especially it's washes diluted with speedpaint medium become amazing.
Vallejo has fallen. It is too easy to create bubbles now with the new formula. Just too much working around the issue rather than having paints that are more convenient.
AK Interactive is a good alternative to Vallejo's paints.
And ProAcryl paints are said to be incredible, but I really respect PA for just doing their own thing with making their own colours.

Also Formula P3 paints are back and they're launching a second wave on gamefound now.

>>96072214
There is also GSW, 2TC, AMMO and a handful other hobby brands that are perfectly fine to use.

>>96072496
>GSW
That company seems to get more flak than AK Interactive for making an edgy book.
>2TC
Very good paints I've heard. But the bottle size is questionable along with the price.
>AMMO
I forgot about AMMO. I need to look at the stuff from AMMO.
AK and AMMO are in this arms race to make good scale model related products and I like it really.
Though for me AK won simply because the LGS near me stocks AK paints.

>>96070984 (OP)
>>96071018
OP, I hope me saying this doesn't completely fry your psychotic brain and cause you to fall into a vegetative state, but there's no James Workshop. He's a marketing figure. He doesn't want anything. He's not real, he doesn't exist.

>>96072186
Army painter and PA alongside fetching and borrowing the Citadel paints from my friends every once in a while

It always amazes me that you guys brag about your inferior models. Like do what you want, but don't brag

>>96072546
>>96072586
>the paypiggies start to slowly crawl out of their hovels

>>96072604
I don't disagree with you, OP. But you really need professional help. Games Workshop is a company. Your hatred for an imaginary "James" is insane.

Dark Angels: The Raped

>>96070984 (OP)
When I buy model kit I'm not buying a game or a hobby or community or whatever, I'm just buying a model kit. Just buy whatever models you personally like it's not that deep.

>>96072612
Haha ebin! How do I upvote on here

>>96072615
JUST

BUY

PRODUCT

>>96072612
$10 have been deposited into your Warhammer™ account. Please purchase more Primaris Marines.

>>96072612
>retard doesn't know that when people talk about James they're referring to the company called Games Workshop, because James rhymes with Games
I would honestly not be surprised if you're a bonafide gee dubz shill

>>96072614
I'm slowly recovering, but I do feel like some sort of twisted Joker character ahahahahAHAHAHAHA. SOCIETY

>>96072621
>>96072635
>>96072646
>40kiddies are so mentally ill they genuinely believe GW is one person
I shouldn't be surprised at this point, but somehow you faggots always make yourselves look more pathetic.

>>96072512
>That company seems to get more flak than AK Interactive for making an edgy book
Why does AK get flak btw? I like their products, they're really nice and cheap.

>>96072046
>Bong
>White

>>96072677
>retard still doesn't get the joke even though its been spelt out
its actually kind of impressive, Im surprised you know how to post on an imageboard

>>96071665
Fuck it I believe you

>>96072745
You're a sad poor fucker whose purpose in life is to gatekeep a hobby you don't even enjoy. You're also fixated with an UK toy company because they discontinued one of your toys 10 years ago. Like previously stated, you don't even paint your models, you just print them or buy them from third world recasters and think about how your bringing down the man.
It's pathetic really, you should really think about doing the correct thing leave the hobby and find something else to sperg about. I heard Antifa loves faggots like you...

>>96072733
AK Interactive basically made a scale modeling book about the atrocities of mankind.
Look up AK Interactive Condemnation.

Now I'm citing a crackpipe here, but I think at some point AK realized how edgy their book is so they decided to go the extra mile because why the fuck not at this point?
Basically pearl clutchers on Reddit threw a fit and thought it was an awful move by AK or that it is dog whistling to right wing aligned people or whatever their boogeyman and/or scapegoat for everything wrong on Earth is.
I'll admit I don't care. I use paints I like, and AK paints I like along with ProAcryl and ArmyPainter washes.
If it comes with a side of Reddit tears then I'll take it as well.

>>96072866
Imagine having this much of a meltie because you failed to understand the "James" meme lmao. Just take the L and fuck off retard

>>96072919
Oh yeah didnt they do like, a gas chamber diorama or auschwitz paint set or something?

>>96072987
Yep.
Again refer to my crackpipe theory that they just went "fuck it we'll go full edge here."
They edgelord'd too close to the sun for many of your stereotypical Redditors and other social media sensitive types.

>>96072930
>a meltie
I wasn't even the guy you were replying to. I don't care that much actually, it's just to see you cunts come around here and shit up the place.
Life is too short to be obsessing about toys. If the hobby makes you happy then fair go to you buddy but if it makes you angry then find something else to do.

>>96072990
there's always someone who will defend garbage because they saw people they don't like call it garbage.

>>96072990
They made a choice, the market decided You have a problem with capitalism, commie?.

>>96073072
All I did was give a conspiracy theory and point out the demographic of "people" that were offended the most. I never gave judgement on the book because I never bothered to read it myself as I can get lots of video tutorials to watch for free with a single websearch.
>>96073098
I don't think the overly verbose and sensitive Redditors count as the market. Most people didn't care and kept buying AK hobby products because it is what they want.
Most people probably don't even know that AK sells books. It is probably just for the old boomers these days as they're just basically big advertisements to buy more AK product.

>>96072626
If you were buying them before because of shit that's not in the box than that just means you were buying it because was brand slop anon

>>96072512
>Though for me AK won simply because the LGS near me stocks AK paints.

This, essentially, is the most important thing. What good are AK paints to me, if i cant buy them. Pretty much every hobby brand is usable, and while Vallejo might have issues, if they are available and two thin coats is not, then the choice is clear.

>That company seems to get more flak than AK Interactive

Yes, and some would say its deserved, but they make very good washes and have contrast paints in huge 60ml bottles for the price as one GW contrast pot. They could literally eat children down there in spain, i would still buy their 60ml brown and black, because that stuff is amazing for griming up terrain, vehicles and in general.

>>96072130
>which included how to make terrain out of foam board and trash.

While it most likely has to do with them aiming to sell their plastic terrain, it also is a shift in culture in general, not really influenced by GW. Lets be real: This book is from a time where knowledge like this (and hobby knowledge in general) was way harder to come by, when youtube wasn't really a thing, when there were no real online tutorials and not everyone had internet in the first place.
I remember buying (overpriced) scale modellers magazines full of ads, just to read 2 double pages about some old boomer and how he made a certain diorama. Actually this habit made me discover White Dwarf magazines in the shelf of that newspaper store.

So i'd say its both: They want you to buy their stuff, obviously, but at the same time, tutorials about how to make terrain from trash, from cardboard, from soda cans (including stl files to make it look nice) are available everwhere, a terrain making book by GW would simply feel out of place in todays wargaming world.

>>96073037
>I don't care that much actually
dude this rant was in response to somebody chastising a retard for not getting a meme
>>96072866
you do care, you care far too much, you're indistinguishable in fact from somebody that's mentally ill
not only that, you're avatarfagging
a heavily moderated facebook group where everything's all sunshine and rainbows is probably more your style

>>96071113
This makes the most sense. Business was always a business but they shifted favoritism from the hobby to be more in favor of dollars.

>>96072930
>failed to understand the "James" meme
Seems to me that you failed to understand the meme, anon. "James" is just a meme, not a real person who wants you to buy product or someone you should be mad at.

>>96072635
If gw unironically paid me a wage to shill their product every few hours I'd make that my side gig at work.

>>96071004
Lot of wargear options and units were removed that were previously in the main army lists with a trend towards units only being able to take options in the box. Plus a lot of sweeping changes to the core rules which are very divisive (not to mention poorly written), as well as the full realization that HH is now on the 3-year churn and burn edition cycle of 40k and AoS.

GW is taking an arcane journal approach to HH this edition and will probably sell back all of the units/options they removed over 3.0's life cycle, but overall the sentiment towards the new edition has basically cratered overnight.

>>96071463
NTA but I would bet a lot of money that the loyalist and traitor books were written by different people, the trend of traitor legions having lots of options for their units and loyalists having basically nothing is too consistent for me to think otherwise.

I mean, 3d printing and kitbashing is working for my quite well in every gw still, I think these changes are more to do with the designers being retarded and thinking "balance" is more important than modeling than a corpo mandate (other than the no models no rules bit, even thought they still do that a bit outside 40k which is the paypig engine that funds the rest of the company)

>>96075201
Seems like a failure to understand from gw what the purpose of HH/ToW are, they are catch bins for the customers put off by the paypig abuse engine of 40k/aos. It's a different market. Making HH like 40k won't make more money, it'll just mean 40k and HH are competeing for the same customers instead of capturing two different markets.

>>96071902
>the people making the games also ran the business.
The last time this was true was when Bryan Ansell was running GW, and he got bought out by Tom Kirby in 1991.

>>96072919
>>96072990
Anyone got a PDF? Preferably not the "re-edited (I assume self-censored) edition"

>>96075271
Pretty much, yeah. I'd say over 90% of HH players (or rather, people who have HH as their main game) are 40k refugees who ditched 40k for it being paypig central. The whole appeal was a game with an older style ruleset and a more slow-paced release schedule and no retarded monthly competitive balance changes. I mean, 1st ed HH was like a decade long. 2.0 caused a lot of consternation but at the end of the day the rules weren't very far removed from 1st ed so most older players stayed around.

3.0 on the other hand was advertised as not bringing any fundamental changes, but that was a flagrant, in-your-face lie. Now all the 40k refugees are seeing the same cancer they left come for this game too and are rightfully pissed off.

>>96070984 (OP)
This image on the rule book got me into 40k. I wish the art was still this good. Grimy, Active and showing more of the setting than just whats in the latest box.

>But they are only going to put in as much effort as they deem financially viable.

You're terarded. They put a ton of effort in (due to deeming a ton of effort viable). Look at all the 40K FAQs.

The problem is that hovering above all the "effort" are commandments to make the games certain awful ways. All options must be in a kit, no kits shared between systems, rules must be streamlined, games must be shorter, etc.

>>96072919
>>96072990
Oh, lmao, that's what it's all about? Just culture warriors throwing a hissy fit again? Oh, those evil spaniards making not-wholesomerino dioramas!
What a joke... Well, it's their loss. I'll keep using their products because they're just good.

>>96072512
the ak 3rd gen acrylics are the best range overall atm

>>96072586
Official GW models are trash. Plain and simple.

>B-b-but look at all the details!!!!!!!!

Detail doesn't automatically make a model good. GW models are in shitty poses and have too much detail that they are nothing but an overly busy mess that are a chore to paint. So again I say: GE models are trash and some of the worst models on the miniature market currently. And if you disagree, you're either a paypiggy trying to defend and justify his purchase or a paid GW shill.

>>96075663
>no kits shared between systems

Except GW has openly said it's okay to use HH kits in 40k. Especially when it comes to using Solar Auxilia kits for Imperial Guard.

>>96072046
Tank u for supportings up, Saar! Pleasing of purchase de nu poosh feet, no sniffings ze new Misses genius Creed guardwoman. Zhe iz me bby jarl, not urs mister. Okay, plees maek purchase tank u com agin nex year so Mattew Wardings can rape ur doter.

>>96070984 (OP)
>You and your army that you've had for years, full of kitbashed and alternatively sourced minis are not their ideal customer. Timmy and his mother's wallet are
What the fuck is this delusion? It's not 2003 anymore. Kids don't buy warhammer. If a store sells 3 kits to kids in a month that is already out of the ordinary. The main demographic of GW stuff is men above 30.

>>96072214
>Vallejo has fallen. It is too easy to create bubbles now with the new formula
They fixed that btw. But I agree that they are not the king of paints like they were in the past. They are just okay now. AK is better.

>>96076729
Was there an announcement about the fixing?
How do I know I am buying the fixed formula bottles?

>>96071018
I don't think AoS 4e can top 1e in hate. Killed fantasy battle, shit show as far as factions go, absolute joke rules.
TOW I have some hope for. There are some options that weren't in 8th and GW continues making rules for things that don't have kits.

>>96072512
Ammo paints are very good. Their Atom/Ionic lines definitely give AK a run for its money.
>>96076735
It was relatively short after the launch of the new ranges. I don't think you can know whether a bottle is fixed or not. Maybe via the serial number but idk.

>>96076729
>AK is better.


For regular paints yes, but they seem to have the same reactivation issues with their new contrast range as army painter had with their first speed paints

>>96076721
GW has literally said young newcomers are their target market so you're objectively wrong

>>96077795
When did they say that, and was it an internal or external statement?
Nothing GW does is aimed at children. They even stopped the silly children book series. In comparison, they release nostalgia-bait after nostalgia-bait.

>>96070984 (OP)

Yeah it's sad.
Like so many have said, while it's always been a business that tried to make a profit, it was run by hobbyists. Now it feels so far removed.
I'm expecting the next edition of Necromunda to also be destroyed, but at least we have the current edition to play.
Glad they killed Warcry, means it can now live on in the community

>>96078301
You know that not all young people are children right?

>>96078325
If its not children, then "moms" buying them warhammer is not relevant either.

>>96071048
Do you know your army codex had section on how to kitbash minis they dont sell? Not anymore, same in rulebook.

>>96076738
Aos 1ed was wild but you could make it work, 4th is just bland, boring shit with rules made for brain dead browns who dont even want to play this game. They are made by people who hate or dont know one bit of wargames.

>>96075146
>autists try not to take everything literally challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

>>96078506
>had

It still has. Lets not pretend this is some hidden knowledge or something. Those old books are so easily available online, and in addition to that, youtube is full of tutorials and guides.

>>96072496
>>96072512
And rightfully so, GSW had done more scummy shit than GW and only been around for a fraction of the time

>>96073303
>60ml brown/black contrastoids for dirtying terrain
You have my attention. Specific paints to look for?

>>96078644
Companies want money, not becoming your friend. I think this thread is pretty clear about that. I just placed an order with them, and they will deliver. What they do besides delivering goods to my house, i dont care.

>>96072615
If that's the case, I can just print better looking proxies or even just completely unrelated models.

>>96070984 (OP)
Why not kill them in retaliation, OP? If you hate them that much, why are you complaining about it online instead of chimping out at warhammer world and trying to rack up a body count? Do it, you pussy.

>>96078667
In particular, its those two. Deep Black and Skeleton Brown.
I have a couple other colours, like a dark green and also a flesh colour, but brown and black are (for my purposes) clearly the best and most useful. "Papyrus" is a nice light sepia style brown, and it works nicely for bones, but if you dont plan to build an army of skeletons, i'm not sure if 60ml are needed. I bought it together with the other brown to see which looks better actually.

If i compare both black and brown with lets say Black Templar Contrast and Cygor Brown Contrast, then they are weaker and less vibrant, but its actually this that i like about them.
I usually prime black, and then do a white zenithal spray with a spraycan. The black works very nicely to create a worn looking black, and it is also excellent on top of anything painted in gunmetal, and i often use it instead of a black wash.
I also usually apply texture paste before priming, so the earth ends up pretty grey-white-ish from the rattlecan. This brown stuff is my go-to to basically create an earthy look again. Same on texture paste on tank tracks. I basically use it as a cheap heavy brown wash. I would not use cygor brown for that, because it is way to strong so i would need to thin it and the contrast medium costs another 6€, and thats obviously way to expensive to just cover bases with it.
I could do the same stuff with craftpaint and thinner, but one of those bottles costs 3,74€ from GSW directly, so its a perfect and super cheap solution to any dark metallic and earth things in my personal painting process.

>>96078688
>I can just print better looking proxies or even just completely unrelated models.

Not him, but this is completely a matter of personal taste. Some proxies are leagues ahead of their GW counterparts, others not so much. What works for you, might look like shit to me, and vice versa.
But obviously, regardless of any actual examples, having a printer gives you a ton of options compared to a shelf in a hobby store. Especially if you want your miniatures for painting mostly.

>>96072990
Spanish people are not capable of such multi-leveled introspective thinking/planning. They simply act without projecting consequences.

>>96078688
Then do that? I have no idea why you would buy something if you don't prefer it over alternatives.

>>96070984 (OP)
Shut up and get back to consuming the product, paypiggy

>>96072034
Printfags almost never paint

>>96071048
Even during the tenure of Byran GW was more hobby focused and passionate than it is now.
It went out of it's way to give you alternative armies, scenarios, teach out to make terrain, how to make movement trays, how to build your own models and it encouraged that.
now if i don't have more options for the minis except what is explicitly in the box.

you.
you specifically anon are the reason why we can't have nice things.

>>96080794
Late stage capitalism is the reason, homo. Individual hobbyists have nothing to do with it. Corporations have had decades to min-max the attainment of profits, and so this is what we get now. Hateful product managed shit.

>>96080794
>It went out of it's way to give you alternative armies, scenarios, teach out to make terrain, how to make movement trays, how to build your own models and it encouraged that.

Why do you need a company to do that for you? Their sole purpose is to provide a product. Thats it. They are not teachers, nor are they your hobby friends. They sell stuff and at that, your relationship with them ends.

Nobody stops you from converting models, building whatever terrain or bases or movement trays you want. In fact, today there are countless more tutorials on how to do that than GW ever released. (including everything GW ever released on that topic too. Dont pretend those articles and books are not available everywhere).

>you specifically anon are the reason why we can't have nice things.

No, its people like you, who can't think out of the box, and need a company to tell them what to do with their purchased toy models.. and if the company suddenly does no longer do that, they assume its somehow forbidden to assemble a model differently than on the box art. It is literally retards like you.

>>96080815
>Hateful
Hate gets in the way of profit.
Think of modern corpos like of bacteria. They don't want you to get sick or hurt you, they just operate according to biological imperatives: survive, eat, breed. Same with corpos: survive, profit, expand. Anything other than this is irrelevant at best and to be excised if unprofitable.

>>96076388
>Warhammer players shocked and outraged when finding out about historical modelling
More news at 5

>>96085838
Nah, they're no where near as efficient as you've idealized. Corporate is making very human bullshit inspired decisions all the time and are at least as susceptible if not more so to various other marketing shenanigans because they in part believe the koolaid just enough to sell it better.