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>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1
>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)
>Previously>>96068238>TQFavorite 3 mana enchantment?
mtg
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>sniff
>what you see here is, at least when the players are good, one of the nicest games ever made
>on both sides fun decks, lots of players, nothing special
>EH! But you are wrong
>THIS is the OFFICIAL barrier between Commander and Modern format
>On commander side, netdecks, dumb timmies, players must play UB cards and pushed autoincludes and like it
>On modern side, rogue brews, true spikes, players must play UB and pushed autoincludes but DONโT like it
>So, commander format, modern format, donโt forget it!
>>96080820>utopia peter mtgo cecil dimir games mean making lol thing things encouh least mark retard turnedquite profound indeed
>>96080786 (OP)This is the most soulful art on a card in a great many years. It feels like art that wouldve been on a card in the 90s or early 00s.
>>96080820>love finally real fun anon control players creature rr standard maybe lmao haste coming>lmao haste coming
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>>96080823>60 card format does not have netdeckingLMAO
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70894&f=PREM
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Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...
Tog
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>>96081056THIS IS A HOME INVASION
>>96079900I can attack with bloodghasts 5+ times over the course of a game without paying a single point of mana
Bloodghast is a free spell
Just to attack 5+ times with timeline cullers will probably cost 6+ mana over multiple warps + hardcast. Every time you warp it and it doesn't get blocked or sacrificed, its going to the fucking exile zone where it costs 2 mana. Bloodghast might as well be exiled too if I had to pay BB to cast it instead of discarding/milling it
>>96081086Absolutely based Tog poster.
>>96081046Think a little bit longer and you just might get the joke.
https://youtu.be/bwDrHqNZ9lo?si=HYyGy8U57ebElda6
>>96081139The same neighborhood as that nazi swimming pool
>>96080987I tried to make this work with Land Tax back in 2013 Legacy. Wasn't great.
>>96081192>nazi swimming poolAre you alright, dude? You're not making any sense here.
>people still cling to yuna as their zur rotation cope
pathetic.
>>96081223What if I just like Yuna? Throwing Bahamuts at people is fun.
>>96081210https://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/05/world/americas/brazil-swastika-pool/index.html
>>96081256How are you so well informed on what happens in Brazil?
Why are you so fascinated with Brazil anyway?
>>96081223naya yuna is a real deck, it's not good but that won't stop people from playing it
>>96081223Yuna is fine if you run one of the flash sources. Put Yuna into play, pop omniscience out of graveyard, then play out your winning combo at your end step.
>>96081281It was on /pol/ maybe 8-10 years ago.
>schizo lurks /pol/
Why am I not surprised.
>>96081223I rather play new Monogreen Landfall
Sunday Pauper 13.07.2025
Went 2-2-0 and finished 8th place. Last one was bye.
Round One vs Mono U Terror
Lost 0-2
Game one started with oppo spell piercing my expedition map. The I assembled tron late and boomerang took care of what little board I got. The cascading triggers all resolved to the support artifacts, but couldn't filter my way to any stable board pressence.
Sideboard:
- 2 Fiery Cannonade
- 2 Volcainc Spite
- 1 Firebolt
+4 Red Elemental Blast
+1 Pyroblast
Game two was more competitive. Didn't drew any of the sideboards. Lost this game due to bad plays on my part. After resolving a Boarding Party I didn't pressure enough and fumbled one block. He managed to drew enough bounce to get in with his snakes.
Round 2 vs Boggles
Lost 0-2 Game one muliganed 6. Had tron, but no payoff came around. I didnt have any way to interact with his board mainboard. After the boggle passed 2 toughness, no boardwipe of mine can interact with it. Sideboard
3 Volcainc Spite
1 Firebolt
2 Elecktrickery
2 Stone Rain
Sideboarded land hate, and more boardwipes. Had to mulligan to 4, due to 1 or 0 land hands. The boggle was assembled fast. As the theme goes I assembled tron early, but didn't manage to claw my way back into the game.
>>96081281Brazilians love magic.
The good ones play pauper for a living, the ones with rich parents play premodern.
if I gain control of a warped permanent and it exiles at eot to the warp effect, who gets to cast it from the exile? the last controller (me) or the original caster? my intuition says the caster because doesn't it make this delayed trigger which the caster controls no matter who has it. I couldn't find the rules if they are even up yet
>>96081437Round 3 vs Red Tron
Game one had the godhand, resolved Colossus. Oppo didn't have enough luck and bricked even with filtering.
Sideboard:
- 2 Volcanic Spite
- 2 Fiery Cannonade
+ 2 Stone Rain
+ 2 Gorilla Shaman
Game two was a lot more competitive. Even though I managed to assemble tron first, he was close second. I filtered 2 Oliphaunt and held on to an Urza Tower in my hand, expecting land hate... since I'm also packing land hate. He resolved an Ulamog's Crusher, a Molten Rain targeting the Urza Tower on the battlefield, and a Gorilla Shaman to kill my Prophetic Prism. I lost the tron and my red sources at that point, but managed to trade down my boardstate, until he had a lone Gorilla Shaman. Replaying my Tower I resolved another Colossus which cascaded into an Oliphaunt. A few turns later the game ended since my Opponent didn't manage to draw into any outs.
Round 4 Bye
Conclusion: The deck is swingy, and not consistent. The 3 prophetic prism, 4 expedition maps and 4 candy trails aren't nearly enough to smooth out my draws. I feel that going to a more control oriented game won't be the right decision. I don't believe Red in Pauper is equipped to handle neither big, evasive or wide boardstates. Going with more Fireball effects will fall victim to the regular Blats, Counterspells and Pierces in the format. I believe the answer is either more utility creatures ala -Filigree Familiar, Voidpouncer or something else.
i play forest, tap it for llanowar elves and pass the turn.
>>96081470I play a Plains before deciding to concede.
GG.
>>96081437>>96081456Uhhh, decklist is here:
https://moxfield.com/decks/BqSXTS_IkUqLLcKq2_OLcw
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>>96081437>>96081456>>96081516tron is slow and if the opponent catches on early it's over
>red trondamn, that's a rough one. I wanted to build green tron but I have some tideniggers at my local so I can't have nice things
>>96081570Turd. Not even close.
>>96081570we already have like 5 variants of that same bullshit
A 2 mana cori steel cutter is already better than this 3 mana retard soldier
a 1/1 prowess token that has a +1/+1 trample haste equipment on it is vastly better than 2x 1/1 tokens
an equipment that doesn't die to go for the throat is better than a 2/4 body
You can't even sequence a second spell on 3 mana without plot or mox jasper, while cutter just went opt immediately
>>96081559Oh. I don't mind. I want to go into MTG, like I imagine wargamers do. Just find your favourite niche, and don't sweat about winning that much. That's why I'm playing Pauper.
> Decks are cheap> Powerlevel is kinda low> With FIRE, old uncommons and rares will get downshifted. So I can play cards with older art.Green Tron is great! Especially against affiniggers and aggrochads. But yeah, green doesn't have any tools to deal with it. Best case I can imagine is sideboarding Faerie Macabre, to exile the tides from the graveyard on the Archeomancer trigger.
Am I crazy, or was there another version of this art with stockings and garter belts? I remember there being a twitter post or something by the artist saying that his original version was too sexy so they made him tone it down, but I can't find any record of it anywhere. Was it memory holed? Mandela effect? Or am I just losing my mind?
>>96081946two seconds in yandex reverse search
>>96081963tried that, didn't find it
>>96080786 (OP)I like the propaganda poster energy on this.
TQ: the GOAT, of course. Fuck Unflinching Courage, all my niggas hate Unflinching Courage.
>>96081977click through to the artstation post
>>96081946I know it happened to Gathering Throng
>>96082029Look at that SOVL on that card. It's rare to see anything close on newer cards
>>96081977>yandexcัeะถะธะฒaััcั
>>96082280>>96082518sexualizing females
> oy vey shut it downsexualizing males
> great googly moogly I'm gonna COOOOOM
>>96082590Ah yes. The new card from the Starting Strength set. They drew the arms too big though.
>>96082590You type like a post-election tourist but I roughly share your sentiment.
>>96082590One of them is a ftm.
why is it called premier draft when you play against people who aren't a part of your pod?
>>96081570For one thing its 3cc, the tokens dont have haste, prowess nor trample. Of anything this is a tool for Mono White Tokens Control, not a gassed up all-in aggro deck like Prowess
>>96083129because it's bo3
>>96083313Give back the spark
These disgusting abominations have done immeasurable damage to pauper and yet I canโt help but endear myself to them
>>96083372It's sickening how normalized they became and how much of that was "ooooh we know they break affinity but the interaction with cleansing wildfire is so cool!!!"
>>96083372>artifact lands still fucking up formats 20 years laterbravo Wizards
>>96083387I actually distinctly remember exactly what I was doing when I read the B&R announcement where they made that argument for keeping them. At least my stash of deglamerโs went from chaff to playable.
>>96083421Nosewater really is the bane of MTG.
>>96083525Whenever you say "Nosewater" I imagine a copious deluge of liquid snot gushing from his nose.
>>96081946https://daniellieske.artstation.com/projects/aGdNKR
It was a miscommunication error. The art director asked for girls with (pants) suspenders but the artist misinterpreted it as sock suspenders since he's German.
Affinity is Pauper's immune system.
EVERY time it's nerfed, way way way more cancerous shit crawls its way out if its pipe and fucks up the format. EVERY TIME WITHOUT FAIL.
>>96081056I have 8 proxied Premodern decks on the way, all using original or contemporary art and card frames
>I'm hitting you for your own good
>I might have issues, but everyone else is so much worse
this is an actual abusive relationship lmao
>>96082518>>96083559It saddens me how much cool-ass art we've lost because WotC want to keep the modern version of this game as sanitized and sterile as possible.
Affinity is just one of Magic's decks that should always be playable somewhere, and the only place it is right now is Pauper. So it stays.
>>96083553I think of the guy from that movie Freaked whoโs just a giant nose
>>96083604I wish it was more old school affinity instead of the value slop that it is now. Thoughtcast is barely even playable next to the black draw 2 cards
Would a cycle of simple enchantment lands fuck stuff up as bad as the artifact lands did? Just, like
>Enchantment Land
>T: Add [color]
and make one for each
would it be that bad?
>>96083621If you mean Deadly Dispute it was just banned
All the others suck absolute ass
>>96083625Enchantments don't have an affinity equivalent so probably not. It would probably result in something stupid, though.
>>96083621Deadly dispute got banned, which was a bummer for the non affinity decks that used it semi fairly, but whatever.
>>96083625It would beef up enchantress decks in modern a sizeable amount (especially since the rushed blood moon line isnโt as impactful anymore post yorion bans), but that deck is fundamentally flawed so it wouldnโt mean much.
>>96083632They suck so much ass that fanatical offering is the 8th most played card in the format and eviscerators insight is like 16th.
I want Miracles and Curses back and i want to make them broken.
>>96083655People deeply underestimated that the ramp is what made it worth it.
>>96083676Ramp AND color fixing.
>>96083655Tbh I donโt know how much Iโd trust most played card stats given the top 4 are all sideboard pieces
>>96081437nice to see someone actually write a report here
going 1-2-bye for top 8 is some fine work
>>96081438and the bad ones with poor parents play Alchemy
>>96081438most premodern decks are cheaper than standard decks btw
i play island and pass the turn.
>>96081570there's potential mostly because of the +1/+1 line but 3 cmc is a lot and it's much easier to interact with than cutter.
ultimately it's all meaningless though because monastery mentor is already legal in standard lol
>>96084239gg, well played.
>>96084317I sideboard out 15 plains and sideboard in 15 plains with different art.
>go into premodern
>play stasis
>don't run black vise
Your tears are my win condition.
>>96084421Quite a few people are like this.
Isn't it fun to see your opponent just suffer like that?
lol the meme Tifa landfall deck from MTGA's Alchemy format top 8'd an event and now everyone is playing it in League
I don't think it's even a particularly good version of the deck either
I tap 7 lands and play Portent of Calamity X=6
>>96084421why not just Parallax Tide + Stifle?
suffering at a banworthy powerlevel
>>96083525He truly is, and also to white.
>>96084506Parallax tide is not fun. Removing the board just lets the other guy know the game is over and they usually resign because you just win next turn. The suffering is over swiftly and that is not good. Plus it's four mana.
Keeping him tapped out for 40 turns while they sit there with all his creatures tapped still gives him hope he might one day get past the stasis and attacking. Thus they remain in the game enduring the suffering with the hope of being able to turn cardboard when it is unlikely they'll ever be able to. All just for 2 mana and the upkeep cost which can be payed for with combo or by simply bouncing it with chains on the end step so I can untap while my opponent must again sit there and wait for an opportunity that won't come in the next 20 turns.
Stasis is far superior to Meme tide + stifle.
>>96084579I'm happy that Stasis is becoming popular again in the premodern meta.
>>96084502Land, land, land, omniscience, land, stock up, roiling dragonstorm
>>96084598I am too. In premodern we can actually say we're playing a game instead of just sitting there turning cardboard sideways for 3 turn games like in other formats.
>>96084603>reveals 7 cards with X=6JUUUUUUDGE
>premodern shills are at it again
>>96084716Tell me any other format that currently is as balanced and fun to play as this one is.
Just one will be enough.
I'll wait.
>>96084733Where do you live that has an actual turnout for Premodern locals?
>>96083625>basic land with upside but no basic supertypeat least make it etb tapped or something
I want to see this. Just a simple, anti-aggro cycle to tone down every format
Fertile Pasture
Land - Forest Plains (Rare)
Fertile Pasture enters the battlefield tapped.
When Fertile Pasture enters, you gain 2 life
(Tap: Add W or G)
Is pauper a good way to start to figure out how to build my own decks?
I'd obviously start with some good net decks because they're cheap but I want to at least be able to think of ways to counter or out-perform the meta decks.
And I think pauper has a smaller card list than modern so that might be the way to go.
I like the idea of modern but I can't shell out $1000 for a deck. Best I can do is $150 on my mono green stompy and apparently it's not even that competitive.
>>96084716>shillsAdvocating for something that actively damages a company is the opposite of shilling.
>>96080820>full mono schizo>free decks always cut>feels per turns>unplayable retarded pauper
>>96084943>feels per turnsAin't that just the way she goes....
>>96084928now every format with fetchlands essentially starts the game with a higher life total
>>96084929>'build my own decks'don't do this. even if you had years more experience than you do.
instead take shells of existing powerful decks and find reasons to add to 2-3 cards you want to play.
definitely for strong formats like modern/pauper/legacy.
>>96084956Yes, that's the entire idea.
And formats without fetchlands would still run them in decks
That's how you blunt aggro without just raising the starting life total in every format
Aggro has long had an artificial leg up because of damage from landbases. Standard is almost as bad as eternal formats with fetch+shocks, because you can even build a 5 color deck with Starting Town + Thran Portal + Painlands, and at least the non-portal ones are everywhere
ETBT lands are such a handicap and only triomes and surveil lands are any good. The value of "gain 2 life" should be on par with "surveil 1" or having 3 types + cycling 3 or 2 types + cycling 2, like previous duals.
If people could make control decks that started with 28+ life thanks to heal lands + adventurer's inn + radiant fountain, aggro wouldn't prey on them like it does now where people have lists with 12-15 starting life
>>96084968Yeah. You're right. I'm not that guy. I don't know who is that guy and how you can be that guy though. I wish I knew. I could barely understand why walking ballista was good. I also don't have encyclopedic knowledge of all 30,000 cards.
>>96084928>>96084956Make the new "You lose" life total -5 so you don't affect those cards that say shit about having more than 20 life.
>>96084987What are those laughably cherry-picked tournament results supposed to prove, besides that you're a retard?
You think anyone is going to believe that UR delver is the best deck in Legacy? Or that Sligh is 75% of the Premodern metagame because of some 12 person weekly at a LGS in Peru? (a format that is somehow even less relevant to your idea of a new land to print than the abandoned meme no-fetchlands format).
why do you people even post about this game. no one is ever going to take shit like this seriously.
>>96085015And for your next shitpost, you're going to pretend that standard didn't just go from 80% aggro pre-ban to 84% aggro post-ban
like wew lad last tournament was
>rg aggro>ur aggro>g aggro>g aggro>ur aggro>gb aggro>g aggro>mono white control (8th place wahoo)Top deck in pioqueer? RDW. Next up, arclight, then rakdos aggro
memedern? another aggro majority format, but hey at least combo exists
pauper? 72% aggro lmao
you have to get all the way to vintage/legacy before finally aggro isn't the plurality and then its because of how degenerate combo has become
>>96084987>cherry pickingNice screenshot, loser.
6 years of JOTC slapping the word Resplendent on random mythics and legendaries only for them to all suck and see zero play or win tournaments, then finally reprint the OG Resplendent Angel in return to Ixalan and itโs too late because fire design ruined standard forever.
>>96085115Nice shitpost, virgin.
>>96085116New FIRE design proposal:
Resplendent Resplendence.
>>96085083lol your entire understanding of MTG is reading Mtgtop8 headers. you don't even know enough about the game to cherry pick your tournament results properly enough to back your argument
>StandardWas the last format evidence that Aggro as a strategy is too powerful or that WotC in their genius printed some dumbass cards that needed to be banned? Now every single deck with creatures in it is classified as 'aggro' and you take that at face value because you have shit for brains and know nothing about the game
>Pioneerirrelevant dead meme for people to use RDW/Phoenix to farm fast wins vs the local retards who think it's a brewer's format
>ModernBurn has been irrelevant for years despite your claim that fetchlands make people start with too little life. Is Energy good because your opponents are playing fetchlands? And what are the other top decks doing?
>LegacyLaughable gymnastics from your image, trying to present this as an aggro format. With the best decks being Oops and Reanimator, starting at 21 life would only hurt Dark Depths strategies.
>PremodernGo look at the tournament result in your image and hang yourself in embarrassment.
>>96085125Fuck off out of this thread. You're just baiting for (You)'s, shitlord.
Go back to your Pokemon general.
>>96085139Is that your whole argument lmao?
You're going to pretend a deck isn't aggro when its 28 creatures that all plan to turn sideways ever turn and 8 removal spells?
I guess you think mono red decks that run 4x twinmaw are actually control lists because they've got hard removal they can never even cast on the creature side
>>PremodernNOBODY CARES LMAO
stop trying to push your irrelevant format
pray tell, what's the aggro-control-combo breakdown of peasant? How about planechase? Lmao what do you even call dandan with its single deck
Standard was 80% aggro prior to the bannings and now its 84% aggro, that's a fact.
>>96080786 (OP)>TQI can't wait for spoilers to start back up again. This might be the best standard season for IRL Magic this game has had since the pandemic. Hopefully I'll be able to take on some shitters that came to play hoping their favorite Final Fantasy character won't get crushed by the previously-dominating meta.
>>96083559>but after concerns regarding family friendliness I had to put pants on themWhich part of this is a "communication error" mister Rosewater?
>>96085169You posted a screenshot of a 12 person local Premodern tournament in South America where everyone played Sligh and tried to pass it off as evidence that Aggro is the game's most overpowered strategy.
Then all you've done after is screech about the MTGtop8 header for Standard.
That is the extent of your knowledge.
Which, little as it is, is much longer yet than the amount of consideration anyone would give it.
>>96085204That's 8 more people than a typical premodern tournament you should be flattered
>>96085212And 12 more people than will ever care about any of your opinions on this game, cry as you might.
>>96085169>NOBODY CARES LMAOActually, a lot of people care, retard. Specially old professional MTG players at that.
>irrelevant formatPremodern is becoming more and more popular each day because people are getting tired of getting JotC slop like Aetherdrift, Final Fantasy and what is it now, oh right, more sci-fi shit with Edge of Eternities getting shoved down their throats and would rather play a game that's fun and balanced. Hence why they are resorting to premodern, because despite being unofficial, it's better than any other current format out there.
JotC shills like (You) who like to keep eating shit by the spoon will forever be mad at this because deep down you know what I just said is true.
I bet you can't wait for that Avengers expansion, right. Or maybe is it the One Piece expansion you're waiting for?
Fucking retard.
>>96085291>Premodern is becoming more and more popular each dayno matter how much you shill this format its still going to be a joke
So now that Edge story is over, did you guys like it?
>>96085206Yeah I'm surprised more people haven't used this card in modern, at least pre-Modern Horizons. It's not ideal for most tribal decks, but it's a really powerful wincon for token decks.
>introduce the alien creature type with the doctor who set (and unfinity I guess)
>new space / science fiction set releases
>not a single alien creature
can someone explain to me what DEI reason is it this time?
>>96085353They themselves stated it. They thought the type wouldn't work for what they were trying to do (3 or so well-defined alien factions).
Doctor Who has a billion million aliens so it makes sense to lump them under one umbrella. In EoE that isn't the case, each alien is its own defined archetype
>>96085335I'm not shilling anything, you literal retard.
I'm stating a fact.
Like it or not, you can't change that it's real, so cry more about it, shitlord.
>>96085353it wouldn't add anything to EoE to have the cards be Alien Jellyfish, Alien Insect or Alien Kavu instead of just Jellyfish, Insect or Kavu
>>96085335lol
the joke is the state this game is in right now
>>96085353>>96085380My theory is that they only did it for creatures they believed/knew NEEDED to be recognized as aliens, as least for Doctor Who. They probably made the Unfinity creatures aliens because they knew their creature types didn't matter. Giving the aliens the alien creature type in eoe restricts the type of art and non-standard sets they can be printed in. For example, if any of the insects see play in older formats and WotC decides they wanna reprint some, they'll be forced to give it the Eumidian/eoe aesthetic instead of giving it any new art with the Kraul or the Nantuko like how they've changed the artwork for other famous cards.
should have been 2r instead of rrr
>>96085410My theory is that the Alien type obviously doesn't even make sense in a non-joke Magic set so they didn't use it. Alien to WHERE nigga
>>96085353You would have been complaining if they used alien instead of established MTG creature types too let's be real
>>96085353This is what you get when you use AI to generate the new expansion's theme.
>>96085423any previous examples that make you think that?
>>96085420That's also true. To put it another way, if they only did a UB thing with Doctor Who-themed cards attached to a space-themed set like what they did with Ikoria and the Kaijus, none of those creatures would've been aliens. They probably only did it either because of feedback/stipulations from whoever they negotiated with or because they thought it would've been important for players to know certain creatures were aliens.
>>96085413how about just
>RR>Creature - Wall>Defender>At the beginning of your upkeep, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.>0/4no more aggro bullshit for red, give big red a reason to not just be worse than other colors doing the same shit cheaper
>>96085451>no more [thing that has been the fundamental core of Red's identity since day 1] bullshit for Redlol
>>96085477Gee imagine if colors could do more than a single linear strategy
Black, blue and white can all be aggro, combo or control
Green and red get the shit shaft and can only be aggro and green can't even do that right anymore
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>>96085491Red can do non-aggro, but wotc just aren't capable of doing so without ruining a format.
>>96085191Many of the women in New Cappenna wore 1920's masculine clothing with implied suspenders as underwear. The less formal colors red and green were the only colors to show suspenders. The communication error comes from American having different words for suspenders and garter belts the art director thought they were being clear they only want pants suspenders. The German was obviously more familiar with British English so they used garter belts called "suspenders" in Britain instead of pants suspenders called "braces" in Britain.
>>96085604>source: my ass
>>96085353lol ESL needs to be told what to cry about in internet buzzwords
>>96085353Alien is like construct and beast a catch all term for creatures they don't want to specifically type or don't know how to type. Since the drix were the only new type they just created it.
>>96085573Fires was a fair and fun deck and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>96085607The Magic art directors obviously don't want lingerie in the Magic because of female objectification and Americans use suspenders to mean braces. The art direct obviously miscommunicated what they wanted. The only card with actual female undergarments is Universe Beyond's Sister Repentia.
>turn 1 do nothing
>turn 2 do nothing
>turn 3 play landfall Hydra
>turn 4 oneshot you
it's amazing how my standard opponents manage to keep dying to this. put some interaction in your deck jesus.
>>96085762meanwhile my experience in standard arena goes like this
>queue up with omniscience reanimator combo deck>opp: turn 1 duress>opp: turn 2 strategic betrayal>opp: turn 3 cease AND ghost vacuumAnd I've fooled the algorithm that is trying to screw me because I still turn 4 oneshotted him because I simply ramped into The World Spell with llanowar elves, invasion of ergamon and seize the spoils. All you have to do to win is have a plan B
It takes the decks full of interaction and tries to pit them against very specific opponents to punish them, same reason if you run an artifact-matters deck you'll run into someone running 4x brotherhoods end, 4x abrade, 4x suplex, etc
>>96085772You understand your deck makes zero sense whatsoever and is jumping through hoops to get an extra treasure token from a 0/4 or 3/2 2-drop in situations where running any normal aggro creature would just kill your opponent on the spot, and you can't do anything with colossus until you reach 5+ mana and it still has no evasion with any of these
>>96085805who said Token?
I just need artifact fodder for Rust Harvester.
>>96085786maybe deck-based matchmaking is still a thing in ranked and you gotta queue with shitty meme decks
like I went 6-0 in Standard just now and one of those wins I accidentally queued with a fucking Standard pauper elves deck I made for an event
How do you balance Artifact Land to Hornithrobber to Mox Opal to tap 2 mana and end the game with a combo on turn 1?
>>96085893you dont, there is whole reason why ALL artifacts Lands were banned back in Mirrodin.
The fact they printed a second cycle still baffling
retro borders look way worse than 8ed borders and look around the same if not slightly better than 2015 borders. i don't know why wotc didn't put forth the effort to make retro borders look more like old border cards. it's obscene just how badly they stand out.
>>96085893>>96085911second cycle coming into play TAPPED is very annoying
Rate idea for card cycle
Sunless Vault
Artifact Enchantment Land - Plains Swamp
Sunless Vault enters the battlefield tapped with a stun counter on it.
>>96086089Make it enter untapped but with stun counter and its kinda tricky and more interesting.
t. gamedesigner
>>96086109Yeah that won't cause memory issues or throw off new players at all
How about just
Ice Castle
Artifact Enchantment Land - Island Plains
Vanishing 3
>>96086147I dont like admin shit like stun counters anyway, but i think in this spot it would make the card more interesting. I actually think ALL counters and knickknacks added on top of cards are kinda stupid busywork i dont wanna engage in.
t. gamedesigner
>>96086109>As this land enters, you may put a stun counter on it. If you donโt, it enters tapped.You just solved the mana fixing crisis for one of my sets.
>>96086167You're welcome, I actually designed my own card game and have been learning Godot recently to bring it to life. It's called Stasis, its about 4 factions, all manipulating time in a different way - like eternal, forever war inside a time bubble where all material is infinite - but time is the currency. Something like Total Annihilation.
How about this
Fertile Soil
Land - Plains Forest
When ~ enters you may tap an untapped creature you control. If you don't, it enters tapped.
>>96086182I do custom sets for the bros to draft. That idea is legit. Great idea that smooths mana out in an interesting way.
How about this
Paypig Alley
Land - Mountain Swamp
When ~ enters, wallet clash with an opponent. If you lose, this land enters tapped. (To wallet clash, compare the total net value in USD on tcgplayer of your decklists. The higher value list wins)
>>96086182Pic related is the land cycle I'm currently happiest with. It interacts with deckbulding in a very interesting way.
Any products for your game yet? Or still in pre-production?
Milk Farm
Land
As this land enters, you may reveal a Cow, Minotaur or a card with well endowed female in its art from your hand. If you don't, it enters tapped.
Tap: add W or U
>>96086224>breaks reanimator decks
>>96086147Nice Castle
Artifact Enchantment Land
Vanishing 3
Fading 2
Phasing
When Nice Castle phases out, you may shuffle your library.
>>96086230LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm okay with this.
>>96085348Sure. Felt a little anticlimactic in the ending, but I liked the dynamic of "these four chucklefucks and old man Tezzeret".
>>96083812>Brings standard out of nowhere ?
Synthesizer Labship
Artifact - Spacecraft
Station
2+ At the beginning of combat on your turn, up to one other target artifact you control becomes an artifact creature with base power and toughness 2/2 and gains flying until end of turn.
9+ Flying, vigilance 4/4
>>96084930>Actively damages>Runs secondary market price up>Makes company seem like a great investment >"""Actively damages"""Actively damaging would be not playing nor talking about it or killing the company members.
>>96086335>>Runs secondary market price upProxies are allowed in Premodern mate.
>>96086042its okay to be wrong anon, i forgive you
>>96086347doesn't stop the sois who play it from "pimping" out their decks with real old set foils making them obscenely expensive and sought after
>>96086228*Gets errata'd*
>Huge bulge counts as a milk source too>This was an oversight in the first printingYour reaction?
>>96086228Shouldn't it be W or G since they are grass fed and/or big naturals?
>>96086327this was spoiled a week ago
its total shit
>>96086375As if I needed another reason to play Victor the Enthralling.
>>96086347>They are allowed!!1Lol, lmao
>formats 4chan furiously and fervently hates
Pauper
>Formats 4chan WORSHIPS
Premodern, 93/94
>Formats 4chan actually plays
Pioqueer, alchemy, standard, arena draft
>Formats 4chan pretends to play
Legacy, modern, vintage, draft
Notice anything?
;)
>>96086442>Notice anything?ur gay?
>>96086442>Notice anything?yes, you're out of your containment thread. Go back to mtgag
>>96086327Will we have 1 constructed playable station? Probably not.
>>96086457With the rate things are going, odds are we won't even have 1 LIMITED playable station.
>>96086442I notice this post will anger a good chunk of shitters
What do you think about Cecil?
follow-up question, how do you feel about mono-black in Standard format?
>>96086471>What do you think about Cecil?An amazing 1-of.
>follow-up question, how do you feel about mono-black in Standard format?The format sucks.
>>96086442a brazilian arena player spamming about a format doesn't mean people "worship" it
>>96086471People put Cecil in wrong decks because right decks for him (black aggro) don't exist.
Black should be good until Confidant and Annex rotate.
>>96085139>who think it's a brewer's formatI play it on Arena. I don't play anything but brews, rogue off meta decks.
>>96086471i keep seeing it in deaths shadow lists, but isn't it a nonbo since you can't attack or block with it post-flip without shrinking your shadows?
>>96085139Anon, he uses fucking mtg top 8.
A site that classified tempo as totally aggro and sees no difference between fae and mono u terror.
And sometimes it even lists fucking Jund/Grixis affinity as aggro
What in the absolute fuck
>>96083372>sides in 4 dust to dust game 2it's annoying but not impossible to deal with, unlike combo
>>96086442no, they don't actually play alchemy
>>96086519honestly, you'd be surprised at how little Cecil actually gets to flip
>>96086547dies to being killed
>>96086547dies to putting a 1/1 in front of it
>>96086508There is hundreds of us, you will never defame me.
Premodern is the game that will destroy wizards.
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>>96086629>and Spacecraftso glad this line could exist in MTG
really enriches the entire game
>>96086636Could be worse, it could have been
>and Battle
>They turned the meme into a card
I fucking love this
>>96086442i have literally only heard of 93/94 via this post
>>96086648It just will. Stop asking questions and play my format NOW.
>>96086652It should be instant
They could've gone with something like spelljammer aesthetics or weatherlight but in space. Science fantasy. That could've been kinda cool.
I'm guessing the real motivation for the set was competing with the star wars cardgame that came out tho.
>>96086676This looks like Star Wars to you?
>>96086442This post kills the brown lie.
Truly a "Truth Nuke"
>>96086442Make fun of Pioneer when I'm around, I dare you. I'll beat your ass IRL.
>>96086676anon, if i google "star wars card game" i'll be presented with like 6 separate failed games. i very much doubt that was ever a concern
>>96086686It's sci-fi. It's not the exact same visuals but it's still the Antz/Bug's Life, suspiciously similiar timing thing, that Disney and DreamWorks used to do. Now it's just WotC and Disney and with cards.
WotC must've not liked Lorcana stepping on MTG's turf.
>>96086636imagine how fucking stupid you would have to be to not group these as vehicles
everyone at R&D should literally be in prison
>>96086719what...? this doesn't look like Antz at all.
and if they wanted to fend off Lorcana, why would they choose to look like fucking Antz instead of, you know, the aesthetic that Lorcana has and uses to attract customers?
i swear to god this thread can come up with motivations for WotC that are somehow even dumber and more nonsensical then their actual reasons to do things
So, are the Monoists right about the whole black hole thing
>>96086738You should learn some English before posting.
>>96086754yes. we should all hurl ourselves into one
>>96086719anon, sets are made 2 years in advance. the Star Wars set was made in 2024. unless they have a seer in their staff i find it unlikely they made Edge to compete with Star Wars
>>96086771Seer or a spy or just the same trend prediction consultation think tank firms.
why was Tezzeret so chill in this set? he's normally seething at everything and screaming at his minions to work harder but he seems just happy to go with the flow and let Sami & team do their thing here
>>96086849He is rhasta coded
>Tezerret, high captain
>>96086730>imagine how fucking stupid you would have to be to not group these as vehiclesWe have a phrase for this kind of stupid, actually.
"WotC Stupid"
>>96086884that is not a phrase
>>96086327It's the most playable station so far due to being 1 mana with a station 2 option but that's really not saying much
>>96086849He's just having fun this whole time. He's escaped everyone persuing him, became immortal and now has access to all the technology he could ever dream of- as far as he's concerned, he's already winning at everything forever.
>>96086214That reads a bit better than i thought.
>>96086224Its still in pre-pro, I've demoed it a few nights and my friends loved it. The idea is that there are variable game starts, so there is not so much of an 'early game' in it.
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Do you agree with Mark?
>>96087197Yes, the fixing is too good that it makes running 3+ colours trivial even without main deck fixing and the amount of incidental utility they have just makes them too much
>>96087197Yes the problem is they never fixed it.
>>96086849He's fucked off to somewhere none of his enemies can reach him, he's finally no longer a shitty henchman, and surrounded by tech he can use and people who don't have magic like him. He won.
>>96087197The land mana system the game has is a humongous design mistake as a whole. Has been from the start. So by extension the fetchlands are too, as a part of wholly miserable system that even they can't fix. Yes.
>>96087197fetchlands weren't a problem until triomes made it possible to play 4-5c with minimal downsides
>>96087197>fetchlandsThe problem is not the fetchlands but the excess of typed dual lands and that there have been quite a few releases of typed dual lands which when used in conjuction with the fetchlands, you can use them to fix mana type easily. But then again, just like with Abuelo's Awakening as a scapegoat for omniscience, it must be the the fetchlands and not the real problem, typed dual lands.
If it was just basic lands as is the case in the standard sets which they show up, then you would be limited to fetching only one color. It would take you multiple fetch lands to truly fix your colors. In which case they're not much different than a fast-land or one of the conditional tap lands.
>>96087272This is a brainlet take
4c 5c commanders need triomes to function
The solution is simple.
More land destruction.
More mass land destruction.
>>96086442You're missing "kitchen table duel" in "formats 4chan actually plays"
>>96086652Is this just Abrade but better?
>>96087343If the fetchlands start breaking the game in half once they do something as incredibly basic as "hey, what if a land had two types", then the fetchlands are the problem here, not the typed duals.
>>96087272Without the mana system, there would be no mtg. Moreover, you'd just have Yugioh instead where it's all OTK. Moreover, it's best to avoid the examples of slopstone and those other games. Finally the land mana system provides an additional consideration in deck building not present in the "auto-mana" games where you get the mana for free just because turns have passed because you must consider how you are going to meet the cost requirements for your cards.
Prior to FIRE, the lands for mana system and after the alpha/beta/revised/unlimited bans kept the game going longer because someone couldn't just OTK and even in the worst cases still had to swing for 4-5 turns to win giving the other player time to play an answer or dig out an answer out of their deck to keep the game going.
The only people complaining about lands for mana are auto-mana slop zoomers who want their two turn dopamine rush like they got from Pokemon and who FIRE is designed for.
>>96087436>sorcery speedno
>>96087343typed duals already existed when fetchlands were made and expecting them never to reprint them or explore that design space ever again just to keep a bunch of lands that are shitty and annoying to play with balanced is retard behaviour
Make land destruction a universal core mechanic for all colors.
Makes multi-lands a big target.
Makes multicolor decks riskier.
Fuck commander. Destroy all lands.
12 charge counters for a 3/5... Why.
>>96086652That reminds of India
>good morning saars i will suplex this train>come at me benchod beetch!>NOO AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>96087197Sure, but then current Std manabase is also ass. Can they make viable 3 color manabase that doesn't kill itself and doesn't instantly has full domain?
>>96087564>just a power crept wellspring
Two dudes and an Equipment tutor.
>>96087549Because commander games are slower and last longer.
>>96087549>anthem with extra stepsThis design space is just bizarre. Also fuck you anthems are one of the few things enchantmentfags have over artifactfags, give it back.
>>96087564This might slot into my Doom Foretold deck in Pioneer, albeit I only have it in Orzhov now.
>>96086442I fucking love Premodern.
>>96087581This needs colored mana.
>>96087581Wellspring can go into literally any deck, this can't
Vondam gets two cards, apparently. I assume Haliya's got a second one coming too, then.
>>96087612Tarruk hasn't got his second, right? Any story character missing one?
>>96087620Tan had his art/name shown for his second, but not the actual card. Only Haliya's missing a second of the 'main ones'. Tezz probably only has the one too, of course.
>>96087609>>96087608oh no I need to put the best color ever in my deck!
Hey look pay-off for sacrifice.
>>96087447>The only people complaining about lands for mana are auto-mana slop zoomers who want their two turn dopamine rush like they got from Pokemon and who FIRE is designed for.The funny thing is Pokemon recently switched to an auto-Energy side deck instead of needing to draw Energy normally like lands, with the advent of Pokemon Pocket.
>>96087620These are minor so they might not get a card, but there's Mantis, the space elf in ch11 and Alpharael's sister.
>>96087609So what if you need blue? It comes with it's own auto-sac to let you get it to leave the battlefield even if you don't draw the phasing. You get to net two cards from it in any blue deck without running anything else for it while getting to stun a creature you don't want to attack.
Wellsping can't be phased either. Has to be sac'd via another card or destroyed. Which means 8 cards to get the full use of it which is retarded and hence you can't just put it into any deck. You might as well put in a different draw source or dig available to the colors you're running which is generally better than wellspring because they'll either draw more cards or do something other than just sit there until someone politely wipes the board for you. You'd really have to build a deck around wellspring that lets you sac artifacts in order to get full use.
>>96087641WHIRRRRRRRRRRRR
NO NO NO NO NO I NEED MY LIGHTENDO SWITCH JANNIES HELP- *slurp*
*dabs*
>>96087641they really want sacrifice to be a real deck but it won't be.
give me back Priest of Forgotten Gods
>>96087667I can't see any of them getting anything.
>>96087684The space elfs are confirmed to get a Saga but yeah probably not
Shame, I liked Mantis
>>96087564lol pauper got one
>>96087564literally best card in the set
>>96080820>Midrange green called whole problemIs there even a midrange deck with green big in any format right now?
>>96087596>slower and last longerUsually, yes; but I remember being part of one match where it ended turn 4
>>96087682>but it won't be.Ravager days were not exactly fun tho
>>96087589Not a single white male on a mono white card yet to be revealed. You canโt make this up.
>>96087674>So what if you need blue?retard, you know Wellspring is mostly played in Jund decks, right?
>>96087741that is literally a white guy
>Not even 10 minutes the sale, and there's high traffic
I really shouldn't be surprised, but Jesus
>>96087663a side-effect was that it made multi-colour decks essentially unplayable, because you are 50/50 to get the energy you need on a given turn and the games are so fast that if you brick once you lose
>>96087772the white schizo only counts guys if they're mostly naked so he can jerk off to them
>>96087549>Savanna Lions on 1>This on 2>Crew with lions for the anthem effectPOWERFUL WHITE COMBOS
>>96087766Its originally an affinity card, which is a grixis deck
with the new glitters-like creature there is real potential for esper affinity now
>>96087801>miss out on 2 damage>opponent then chumps the lion with a 3 mana 2/2NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>96087641Doesn't standard already have a similar card already?
>>96087766The Jund decks that run wellspring typically have some sac mechanic to fill the graveyard for goyf. That being said, it's not really ran in those either because there are more efficient cards for the same purpose.
>retardIt's funny how you call me that when you exposed that you don't even know what the current meta is for jund. Turn off your computer and spend a few days away from it.
>>96087564Pauper gods...
We tweaking....
>>96087641Would this be any good with Ashnod's Altar?
>>96087741why do you ethnically identify with a magic color?
>>96087549Well, the anthem makes it easier to load up the rest of the 12 counters, so its reward can't be too strong. But it didn't need to be quite this shitty. None of the spacecraft did. I can't wait until they're forgotten.
>>96087826>I'll make All That Glitters look like a fucking joke
>>96087823>The Jund decks that run wellspring typically have some sac mechanic to fill the graveyard for goyfWhat the fuck are you even talking about? Which goyf does wildfires or any other wellspring deck run lmao
Go kill yourself you animal, your posts are beyond worthless and your knowledge less than nothing.
You'll never have a thought worthy of a human, much less whatever sad thing your parents spawned you as.
>>96087641Oh look, ANOTHER black hole.
Where's gay bolas in all of this?
>>96087772>>96087794Doesnโt it seem a bit odd the patterns with each newer set? Mono white and then a disproportionate amount of negras appearing on them?
>>96087872>4 manaPerfectly deceptively bad :^}
>>96087816Gixian inflitrator? It's not the same, it's rotating soon, also most cards are made for limited.
>>96087860>>96087872If you think that turd is anywhere near ATG just lol
>>96087915Wow, it's almost like one of the factions is black hole worshipers.
>>96087549Because it's a 2 mana anthem that only costs tapping down some 2 power dude with summoning sickness. The 12+ option is irrelevant. It's a good card.
>>96087945>An entire universe is slowly slipping into an elder dragon's gaping anusDear lord what did Ugin do to him?
>>96087641That's a really big black HOLE
>>96087564esper affinity kino
>>96088000End game of dickless relationships is fisting.
Both are really, really big ;)
my standard deck is ded.
buy into dimir right now? I got everything expensive but kaito.
>>96087641PUT A BLACK HOLE IN IT AND MAKE IT LAME AND GAY.
>>96088041standard is rotating in 2 weeks retardbro, just wait
dimir is mid. People are just sticking with the deck from previous meta that got the least hit because they don't wanna sink money. Tons of new archetypes are gonna be viable, since even total trash like the Yuna and Landfall decks can 5-0 rn before rotation
23 cards in EoE have black holes in the art so far.
>>96088069goatsie chads keep winning
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Rate meta of the format unknown to you.
>>96088017"Universe abhors a vacuum, and without Ugin there to fill that hole, the universe will do."
>>96088097I prefer this one
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/pioneer-challenge-32-2025-07-13#paper
>>96088099UGIN FILLING HOLES?
>>96088154Imagine both of ugins arms, one up his poop chute the other one deep inside his slit.
>>96087965lol name one (1) deck that wants this over vacuum, hearse or even lantern
What's the new set's story about? Wheres are we? Is it a new plane? Worth reading or too much tranny propaganda?
Remember to be patient with construcucks when they see a 3/4 for 4 and get ragey, it's not their fault to have been born fucked up.
>naive friend thought it would be banished to its containment format
the future looked so bright.
>>96088235>>96088000Some are trying to survive it, some want everyone to just dive right in.
Universes beyond has been great and I'm tired of pretending it hasn't.
>>96088320UB as a concept is fine, but it still doesn't make it any less jarring when in use
>>96088000Well... talk about an oblivion ring!
*laugh track*
*whirr*whirr*whiiiirrrr!*
>>96087197No, I think good mana should be a hallmark of high power formats. Pioneer with fetches would be fun.
>>96088320Sure it is, Cummander Sis!!! Are you excited for Uncle Ben, Aunt May and Mary Jane Watson cards? I sure am! Can't wait!
>>96088393my pod loved these
>>96087197fetchies in standard when?
>>96087866>proves again that he doesn't understand the formats or metaNice try retard.
>>96088674That shit runs zero wildfire or wellspring
>>96088685>wildfireNever even mentioned in any of my posts
>wellspringThe post you made yourself look like a retard in response to be because you lack reading comprehension and only read the first sentence of each is proven by the post you responded to.
>>96087823>That being said, it's not really ran in those either because there are more efficient cards for the same purpose.Please go back to primary school so you can work actively on improving your reading comprehension skills as you were the one who originally stated
>>96087766>you know Wellspring is mostly played in Jund decks, right?
>pauper gods talking
>Memedern eunuch snuggly squeals his retarded takes
Iconic moment.
Remember a 5-0 in your joke format is a 2-3 in pauper
>>96088736zased pauperGOD
>pauper retards making themselves look stupid and poor
>CHADdern CHAD ignores their fake format
>>96088812>memecuck literally SEETHING at playable commons
>>96088736Seeing memedern players speak to their superiors as if their "opinion" matters is fucking hilarious ngl.
>>96087674Grixis affinity struggles with colors, making that struggle worse does nothing but create even more games where the deck can't play their shit and thus, loses.
This is for a new type of deck unrelated to grixis affo.
Also
>Thinking wildfire or wellspring (or wellspring likes) are playable in anything but pauperLol, lmao, etc... Yeah buddy go ahead and play 2 mana draw 1 in a real format see what happens.
>>96088812LMAO the ultimate Memedern COPE.
What an embarassing display
>>96088812>Chad>His format dies the femtosecond Wotc stops running the PT with modernSomeone just post the pasta.
>>96088818>>96088819>>96088831>>96088838Found the poor people. You aren't even Sentient.
The best part about playing pauper is knowing that amerimutts donโt know how to, and itโs important to attend paupergeddons, so that you can remind negroes (american'ts) that they canโt have anything good in life. Theyโre allowed to have Cuckmander and Memedern, and Rugpulls. Hey, that's a pretty good grass roots format... Not that a nigger would know HAHA HAHAHAHAHA
>>96088852oink oink for us more, paypiggie. Hope you're looking forward to MH4 making you drop $1k to upgrade your decks
>>96088866I am already gooning, MH4 is gonna be so zesty, I'll get to spend 1k in my new deck AND also complain about MH4 ruining the format and how MH3 format was so poggers.
>>96088852>The poor people>He willingly waste thousands of hard earned dollars on a shit formatI think the word you are looking for is "smart", piggy-kun. Next MH around the corner
The best part about CHADdern is how all the third world browns won't even admit their inferiority. It reminds you that browns will latch on to anything to hate without even knowing why they hate anything. They simply just hate and then pretend their deficiencies and inability to afford rares somehow makes them superior to the superior CHADdern player. Even worse that they like to pretend their fake format is real like the Coomander and nostalgia formats like to pretend.
>Has to copy his european superior's pasta
Iconic
Look at this paupernigger tournament they are all negro apes brownshitskin poors HAHAHA
>>96088899>Look at my setting on my fire this pile of dollars am i chad now?Memedern retards in a nutshell.
>>96088393Excited enough, didn't care about Sephiroth but I've enjoyed FF a fuckton.
reminder that memedern is literally a yugioh format and not real magic the gathering
>most decks bottom out at $500, with most of the meta hovering around 1k
yugioh
>games are decided within the first 3 turns, need to play manaless interaction to survive
yugioh
>play/draw disparity is literally unsurmountable
YUGIOH
>mostly played by blacks and trannies who are bad with money and think that them bodying people due to having a more expensive deck means they're good at the game
YUGIOHHHHHHHH
Whoever thought Memedern is a format worth playing must have literally half a brain.
modern bros I think we should just wait until the next thread and pretend this never happened
>FIRE format players making themselves look silly by arguing about their formats
>ignoring the superior format which allows you to completely avoid FIRE
>cost being the object of why pauper is more attractive than modern or standard is still satisfied by premodern in which most strong decks can still be acquires for less than $200 if using newer printing and avoiding the decks with reserve list cards
>most of the $1k+ decks only cost that much because they're either running four mox diamonds or some other very expensive reserved list card which can often be removed to make a much more affordable deck in another archetype for under $200
>Burn $178
>Goblins $258
>Landstill $268
>BW Control $78
>Pitrack $178
>Stasis $249
>Deadguy Ale $115
>Ponza $229
>Zoo $218
>Monoblack Aggro $218
>Machine Head $142
>Clerics $227
>UW Control $278
>The Solution (American control) $268
>Astral Slide $218
>Zombies $260
>Broccoli Soup $198
>Mono white Control $208
>Pyrostatic Oath $210
>etc.
>moreover once you put your deck together, either you don't have to change it or it's very cheap to change
>with changing out certain cards you can still get very effective versions of the same deck for much cheaper
>premodern organizers are often allowing gold-bordered cards as long as your sleeves are opaque enough to hide the back
Come home /tg/.
>>96089164sorry I'm not brazilian. Also even the cheapest deck you've shown is still twice as much as a regular pauper deck
plus being priced out of several decks is bad. Just because you can run a worse version without the expensive staple it doesn't make it good. That's like saying modern is budget because you can play basics instead of fetches
>>96089194>cheapest deck you've shown is still twice as much as a regular pauper deck>BW control $78That's about the price of a pauper deck which is somewhere between $50 to $90. Moreover as said before, Premodern does not have the problem of card rotation where you have to buy more powercrept FIRE cards to keep up with the FIRE meta. In the long run, you will probably end up spending as much if not more on the pauper decks that you would a premodern deck.
>I'm not brazilianYou don't have to be. You can play premodern in a large variety of countries and on mtgo. For example there are a few leagues and playgroups in Sweden, Italy, and the US.
>>96089164Brown people only format.
>>96089253the thing is that your figure is straight up false. If I look up BW control on mtgtop8 they're mostly at around the $100 margin, with a lot actually being around 200. And it honestly is very disingenuous for you to think that maybe buying 2-3 playsets of commons every half an year is gonna set someone back as much as the average 200$ for a premodern deck.
I'm not even getting into the fact that a lot of popular decks are in the 1k range, which is just madness for a literally dead format.
Look, I get that you've probably sunk a really decent amount of money and time in your format and you probably feel bad over how much $ you needed just to compete at a 9 person locals, but no one with half a brain is gonna get into premodern outside of online for very obvious reasons
>>96089341> mostly at around the $100 marginDoes not change the fact that you can build such decks for a lower cost. Moreover, much of the cost to this being at around $100 is due to price increases from very recent price increases in some old cards that did not get reprints yet. As said before, there is especially price inflation on old cards with the old border along with mtgtop8 and perhaps even yourself not accounting for the goldbordered cards which are allowed in many groups which bring down the cost of playing further.
Morever, you do not have to play exactly a deck which would cost $200 if you only want to spend $100 on a deck. If you have some format knowledge you can bring the price down a little more.
>And it honestly is very disingenuous for you to think that maybe buying 2-3 playsets of commons every half an year is gonna set someone back as much as the average 200$ for a premodern deck.And this is ignoring how much some new commons and uncommons can cost. Especially as you might have to buy a couple boxes to get all the commons/uncommons from a new set for still many of those to be unplayable in the pauper meta. If you're buying playsets of the singles you need, depending on the cards, you might be spending as much as $5 per single to as much as $20 total to replace a playset of older cards with the improved newer card. If you spent $50 initially, that's now $70 on the deck. Do it again and that's as much as $90 on a deck. With new FIRE releases at a rate of 5-6 releases per year, this could be as much as $50-$100 per year just to update a singel a with singles. Going the booster box route it may be anywhere between $20-$100 per deck to update the deck. You've spent as much if not more than on that single deck than you did on a single premodern deck which does not generally need to be updated.
>it honestly is very disingenuousYou're being just as disengenuous as you are accusing me of being.
>>96089307>Brown people only format.Ah yes. Because you can't find videos anywhere of white people playing premodern
https://www.youtube.com/@DuressCrew/videos
www.youtube.com/@CzechPremodernMagic
Damn, this spoiler day sucked. At least we finally got to see some spacecrafts that have actual non-vehicle crewing abilities outside sorcery on a stick (pic unrelated).
MTG's got some serious balls to charge 12 bucks for shipping when the SL cards can be expensive enough as is
question for anyone left who still plays paper magic
is mana weaving cheating?
>>96089734always has been
>>96089734only if you get caught
>>96089734If you do it before shuffling, it doesn't matter. Sufficient shuffling will randomize the deck. You have to shuffle the deck to the point where a judge is satisfied in a tournament format or other players are satisfied in non-tournament so it really doesn't make a difference. The effects of mana weaving are gone after a good shuffle.
>>96089780>PlaneshiftWow, that was a while ago. I'm surprised they didn't throw it into one of the Modern Horizons sets.
Behold, yet more Tormenting Voice variants.
>>96089923good for hand fixing in limited I guess.
>>96089734if I see you mana weave or pile shuffle I will rigorously shuffle your deck at least 7-8 times
>>96089965It's actually required by rules that you shuffle after mana weaving or pile shuffling because neither of these things count as shuffling.
>>96089734essentially this
>>96089761do whatever you want, as long as you don't get caught you're fine
>>96089705every single fucking spacecraft is a turd
the best spacecraft in the entire set is just a sorcery speed roiling regrowth with an irrelevant spacecraft left behind
the only reason to use it is if you're in some weird artifact-matters ramp deck with lots of basics, you'd never crew it, it would be better if it was just sorcery regrowth + a map token
>>96087447>The only people complaining about lands for mana are auto-mana slop zoomersA lot of hardcore gamers hate it because they hate variance in general. Iโve never understood the obsession they have with variance, especially when it comes to something as purposely-random as a card game. If something has too much variance then it can feel like you have little autonomy because your success can feel more like itโs based on luck than any expression of skill, but if something has too little variance, then it feels like youโre just demonstrating how well you can perform a set of tasks rather than how well you can outwit your opponent, which makes people like me feel like we have less autonomy. Part of the fun of games is the combination of skill-expression and playing around things you canโt perfectly predict. Why would someone want to break that balance?
>>96087663>Pokemon recently switched to an auto-Energy side deckYeah I was pretty disappointed to see that. It sounds like a cute side-mode, but I would never want it to be the main format because it would make things too streamline.
>>96088212Delirium, mainly because it counts as 2 types and is a beatstick
>>96089923If Bitter Reunion didn't exist then this would be a lot more exciting.
Here is your one mana white removal for standard
If your opponent played this, would you call a judge?
>>96089341Truth fucking nuke. Pissmodern brownie isn't going to actually counter argue just screech and point fingers because he is just trying to scam retards into his literally meme format.
Also
>Just use proxies broh!!!1Lol k.
>>96090498>card gets leaked>gets discussed on /mtg/>card gets spoiled>gets discussed on /mtg/ againIts bad. Doubles the exposure to opponents being able to remove it, triple if its on an artifact creature, and on any 0-2 mana artifact is just fucking dies to pinnacle starcage
oh were you thinking of attaching containment to an artifact land? Don't even fucking dream of playing artifact lands with starcage around because unlike lockdown it doesn't say "nonland"
If your format has the concept of a "budget deck" your format is comically expensive and you are just gaslighting naive retards into joining so you can farm them with your strictly superior and more money intensive decks, a 100 "budget" deck is almost always slang for "Spend 100 bucks on a dogshit deck that cannot be upgraded into a real deck" or, in the best case scenario "Spend 100 bucks into a worse version of a good deck so you can get your skull caved in except when you get lucky".
Along with that most of the premodern decks are 250$+ put into worthless cards, and "Muh proxies" isn't a really good argument because most people don't like them, it looks bad, and also most stores will still demand shit like gold bordered cards (even more worthless) as "proxies" or you'll say "just use chinaman proxies" without noting all the disadvantages that has, like getting store banned.
I'd even note that a lot of the actually good decks have shit like x4 Cradle, wastelands and a shitton of your tournaments also demand print specific because once more, it isn't a sanctioned format with hard set rules and said printings are all on the inherent reserved list.
Oh and btw, the average pauper deck is now in the 50 to 80$ range buying at the comically overpriced big name shops like TCGPlayer and Starcity of david with any expensive card being a perenial multi format staple (lotus petal, hydro/pyro variants) most of the time and the only real barrier of entry is skill, because in mtgo you can very easily pay your renting and then buy your deck and keep printing $$.
Sorry, not sorry if you are going to shill your format, which other than not being very competitive and having one big issue for long term high intensity play (closed format, which is also the inverse for long term low intensity play) isn't super bad, at least be fucking honest Mr. "I am so super vvhite and aryan but I'll behave like my own racist caricature of a scheming brown jew".
>>96090294there is no delirium deck
>>96090550I'm gonna miss scrollshift
>>96090660There is. It's just hidden behind "Gruul Aggro" on top8.
>>96090651Actual trvth nvke
>>96090550>Two anti-affinity boardwipes from this setKinda odd that this artifact set seems like it's more designed to hurt affinity than help. Did they actually think Aetherdrift would've put artifacts on the map by now? lol
>>96090660Pretty sure gruul aggro, aka third-most played aggro deck on mtgtop8, is a delirium deck,
>>96090651FUCK. Modernbros... I don't feel so good after reading this...
>>96090680Another Round is a sorcery speed replacement without the draw for it.
>>96090651>has a pile of bulk he can't sell and shills pauper to try to unload his bulk
>>96090734>premodern cuck who mortgaged for 10 Gaia cradles as investment
>>96090680>>96090714Scrollshift was the ONLY flicker that targeted enchantments in its whole standard run, working with Breaching Dragonstorm and Overlords
Its also one of only like 3 spells that flickered without going to end step, another round and splash portal and against all odds which rotates
>>96090805>pauper shill who thinks anyone who points out his shilling is automatically shilling another format
>>96090734Yeah man I am making the fucking STAKZ you caught me, I sold like, 100 delver of secrets and 100 chrysis, I am over here with my muffing stackz (like 10e), took me 5-10h of work putting em in sleeves and sending them around but now?
Now I am rolling in the dovghz.
Fucking idiot.
>>96090815>the ONLY flicker that targeted enchantmentsIt's a good thing it's rotating out then.
>>96090822>shill inadvertently points out that he can only sell a few hundred cards out of his boxes of thousands of bulks and isn't moving most of his bulkcute
>>96090830Yeah we lose important combo pieces but red can still go turn 1 hired claw turn 2 emberheart turn 3 screaming nemesis
>mfw shilling pauper (I just need to sell 500 cards at an average of 20c to make less than min wage)
>>96090848Good.
>1 hired claw turn 2 emberheart turn 3 screaming nemesisnot cycling out is the only problem.
>>96090849Hey now, the average brazilian min wage is 1 euro, they just need to sell 5!
Bet you feel stupid right now eh shill?
Tsk, I won... Play premodern now Please please please please my local bi-monthly tournament has dipped to 10 players again it's cheap I promise please please please!!!
>>96090849if you sold 500 cards at $0.20 each you'd have $100 revenue minus card costs and shipping and taxes which is probably $20 profit which is about 1 hour of flipping burgers
>>96090878If you pull the cards out of thin air and send them all in an hour (because let's be real, you can handle each card without error or mistake in <1s) you'll make $100/h!!!
And these are totally realistic figures btw.
>>96090690>>96090701>some don't play 4 copies of surveil lands>some even play esper fucking originsthere is no way this is playable in the current meta and all these super efficient grave hate cards going around
>>96090923Esper origins is good retard
>>96090651>Oh and btw, the average pauper deck is now in the 50 to 80$ range Disproven by the fact that you have to spend At least $20 per year if going for singles just to keep up with the power creep. It's even more expensive if you're buying boxes. Getting a deck now for $50 and then keeping up with constant changes in meta from the new FIRE cards being popped out in 5-6 sets per year will lead to a pauper deck over a period of a few years costing. Playing pauper in the long term is more expensive than a fixed format such as premodern.
>>96090942oh no, not $1.66 a month.
>buying boxes for pauper cards??????
>>96090939>skip turn 2 to do absolutely nothing>can't flash it back next turn unless you ramped on turn 1 and somehow didn't get interrupted>turn 4 tap out to draw a cardif you somehow survive to see turn 5 after doing nothing for every turn up to it, sure, you can have your 7 mana to run in to a counter hahhahha
no
>it's cheaper to buy a 1k deck than buying a 50 deck then spending 10 extra on it every couple years
So this is the level of math required to play pre modern at a competitive level
Also you just admitted your format is completely stagnant lmao
>>96090923Its actually one of the most prominent aggro decks in both Arena and MODO. The Terra and Esper Origins versions are novel, but the core gameplan of casting hasty 3-4 powered beaters with double combat and surprise double strike is already a tried and proven archetype
>>96090923>>96090939some retards are running 1-2 copies of esper origins in an aggro deck and winning games despite effectively being 58-59 card decks, that's what happens in unrefined metagames after a shakeup
Its just another turn sideways linear aggro deck, just RDW with some slight variation thanks to FOMO and wickerfolk being retarded cards
>>96090923>no way this is playable in the current meta 5-8 in three stars
3-4 in two stars
can get first in dailies
seems playable to me
>grave hate cardsRest in piece and leyline can stop it. But white is not played that much compared to the other color combos and leyline isn't commonly ran in standard. Sure you lose delirium for a turn for one of the one-off pops like soul-guide and you can play around it. But you can quickly out pace ghost vacuum or cauldron. Either way the deck has artifact/enchant hate in the side. Win round 1 aggroing out. Go into round 2 and if opponent kills deck with lucky draw, you side in the hate, get rid of it round 3 then aggro out to win round 3.
>>96090985Its usually one off in these decks for a reason, the flashback is just gravy. You mainly play it for surveil 2 and the fact that its seed of hope number 5
>>96090942>Buying boxes for pauper cards????
Yeah man, I really need to buy a box of MH3 so I can get playsets of
>Nyxborn hydra (25c)>Snacker (25c)>Chryssy (30c)>Refurb (25c)Nvm getting 20 of each (way more playsets than I'll ever possibly need) would cost me... Actually fuck it, let's round them all up to 30c.
$24.
I really gotta get that $200 box for these sick cards! Because a box of magic cards has multiple playsets of all the commons!
You are dumb as a fucking bag of bricks, also I enjoy the implication you are so fucking godawful at mtg you cannot reliably turn tournament entries into store credit to bank roll your 20 or so bucks a year to upgrade deckS plural.
Just stop dude, you are just digging your own grave of retardation to the point you gotta be a paupershill playing false flag.
>>96090997Bro he is buying boxes to get pauper cards, this dude is on some retard math.
>>96090997>underselling the FIRE powercreepYou're going to be spending $100+/year soon. Just admit it. You have no connection to reality and in spite of FIRE continually producing power creep across the game with 5+ releases per year you're going to stick your head up your ass and still pretend pauper is cheap. You pauper retards are something else.
>>96090997But anon if you play for... 48 years then you'll have spent more than 1k on your deck!
That is totally proving I am like super duper smart and you are a dumb poopy head brown shill!!
Also why yes, I almost always go 0-5 in my tourneys and leagues so I am at best money neutral on store credit.
>>96091040>admits to having to spend $20 per release to update his deckYup pauper is expensive. Thanks for proving my point
>>96091069powercreep is mostly confined to rares and mythics. Sometimes a massively overtuned uncommon will slip through (and you're right that it will likely start happening more frequently) but not at the rate where you're spending $100 a year on them. Even the mouse only peaked at like $3.
>4 mana draw 2 and tap stun at instant speed
>also an artifact and sac target
pretty kino i think
>>96091088Quite a few of the uncommon's/commons put many of the rares of the past to shame. Often what passed for a rare 15-20 years ago is now what you see in commons.
>Even the mouseAnd there's one of the examples of it.
>>96091069https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-jund-wildfire#paper
23 of those 52 are 6 cards all from pre-fire era, 25 if we count vault of whispers too.
>>96091082Yeah man I am putting 20 copies of sneaky snacker on my deck, you are truly a mastermind. Nothing beats 20 sneaky snacker.dek!
And don't get me started on the most povverfvl deck in pauper, 20 nyx born hydra, 20 sneaky snacker, 20 chryssy, 20 refurbished familiars, NOTHING and I mean NOTHING beats this VBER deck.
Literally it cannot be beaten, it is just impossible, I walk into the store with my overpowered fireslop and windmill slam 80 cards of them bad boyos, WHIP out dat dere WALLET ($24) and what happens?
I fucking WIN that's what happens.
I kneel at the premodern brain capacity!
>>96091115Lynchpin pauper card of the set. Get ready for another massive metagame shift with this one (1) card.
How could you defend or be proud of playing formats like Modern after the irrefutable evidence anons posted in this thread is something beyond me.
Paypiggie brains are just different.
>>96091001>>96091002>>96091010I agree fomo and the other ones are pretty good and was pretty amazed fomo didn't really see play anywhere when it was released. maybe it's just shellshock of rdw and izzet prowess being so overpowering
and I guess the artifact grave haters are fragile BUT dimir is way up there and has good interaction like affliction against it, no?
>>96091122Overhyped to shit by pauper familair discord AKA pauper spikes AKA value slop enjoyers.
>>96091122it might cost a whole quarter!
>>96091131Dimir is the strongest deck there just because it can aggro and draw at the same time. If you don't have an answer, you're going to draw it anyways just from turning paper sideways.
>>96089861What happens if you control no permanents? You add colorless?
>>96091131Its unironically one of Dimir Midrange's bad matchups. The hasty beaters coming out of Break Out make sure Kaito doesnt do anything, and it cant out race its damage. The only way to effevtively beat it as UB Midrange is to make sure you have consecutive Floodpits Drowner and or removal. The deck fucking folds to Mono White and Golgari control decks though. Put something like Beza, Sentinel of the Nameless City or Archfiend of the Dross in front of it and it would stop in its tracks
Man. These retards who are arguing about prices... Just play on cockatrice for free or ftp grind arena.
>>96091150you don't add, saar
>>96091162What a shit card.
>>96091150Colorless is NOT a color.
If you only control meteor crater you add no mana as you cannot chose a color of a permanent you own, since you only own a colorless permanent.
>>96091139That is a massive pauper staple right there anon, put some respect on it's name.
That's a 35c card AT LEAST. And if it gets standard play? Well, well, well, now you are looking at STONKS! $1 whole dollar. You know what you can buy yourself with a whole ass dollar?
One cryogen relic, that's what!
>Gets btfo
>P-pwease j-just play a-arena
Nah I'll stay in mtgo.
>>96091157I really want to believe this just so dimir would stop being to prevalent
>>96091179These retards who pay-to-play. Sunk cost fallacy in all their brains.
>Premodern arena brazuka can't make $ on mtgo
This gotta be my favorite fact about our local pissmodern retard, how utterly dogshit he is by his own tacit admission, which explains why he thinks pauper is expensive.
I guess being a nepo baby means he never learned how to make shit diesel lmao.
>>96091186Dimir has a really really good matchup spread thats why its so popular. Bad matchups aside you can confidently play it and still get good results in a blind field because it has effective answers
I just realized EOE releases this month, FIN arrived in June WTF?
>>96091215Who the fuck are you even talking about, you literal schizo.
There are multiple people posting about premodern and I bet not a single one of them is Brazilian.
At least I for sure am not, so get fucked.
>>96091225it releases in August
>>96091260>There are multiple people posting about premodern and I bet not a single one of them is Brazilian.Found the favela kid
>>96091215Hey. I don't even play premodern. I haven't spent money in years and I don't care about making money on MTGO. Never even touched it. I only play brews on cockatrice at this point. I only brought up Arena as an example of something someone could go to for FTP. I.e. one where you don't have to spend any money nor earn any money from using. Though honestly, just like MTGO, it's better to just run cockatrice instead.
>>96091357>>96091158Honestly people like you are pretty sad. You can't imagine how much you're missing out by not playing irl together with some friends, maybe making more or maybe not at locals, going out for a bite after with the bros, planning to go to events in a trip together... people who are online only miss what is rally the best part of a TCG
>>96091215>Schizo gets btfo>How are you not rich at MTGO, man??!!This is beyond pathetic.
>>96091385If I want to hang out with some friends we all have better and more fun things to do than MTG like going to the gym or clubbing. BTW, seeing the type of person who tends to go to card shops, none of them are worth getting to know.
>>96091431It sounds sad that none of your friends share that hobbie with you. Also gym i can get, but "clubbing"? That's the worst attempt at seeming like a normalfag I've ever seen
>>96091431why are you even here
>>96091466To shitpost about MTG. Why are you here?
>>96091460Why should I have to have friends who play MTG?
>>96091466He wants us to believe he is normalfag enough to only go to the gym and clubbing with friends, but also nerdy enough that he has to keep his tcg hobby a secret, and so poor he can't afford cardboard despite clubbing being expensive after, but also too shy to set foot in a card game store
>>96091511You schizos and your fantasies.
>>96090917>he can't pull commons out of thin airYou will never be a real planeswalker.
