>Hire Gav Thorpe
>Utterly ruin an entire alt game
>Charge GW prices too

What is happening to warlord?

>>Hire Gav Thorpe
Found the problem

>>96081673 (OP)
Bolt action 3.0 was a flop and so is Konflict 47 now I don’t know what’s with the water In Nottingham

>>96081673 (OP)
Did they really hire Gav? Lmao no wonder they removed all mentions of the SS

>>96081673 (OP)
Warlord is woke lord games now and utter travesty trying to larp as games workshop too

>let's hire Gay Throb
>the man best known for writing terrible rule books and okay fluff
REMEMBER 4E CHAOS WAS HIS IDEA.
HE OVERSAW THE DEMONS, CHAOS MARINES/WARRIORS AND BEASTMENT/MORTALS SPLIT.

>>96081735
>>96081673 (OP)
Holy yikes why is every war game company utterly more shit than GW right now? It feels like the whole war gaming hobby is dying

>>96081697
Is bolt action 3.0 a flop?

>>96082724
They pulled the classic GW.
Instead of fixing some of the issues the game had. They decided to scrap the game and drip feed the rest of the rules.
So unless you are playing just red army, us army and german army. You are fucked.
Imperial Japan? US Marines? Italy? Nah fuck em.
Did they release them? No idea they kind of lost me after that stunt.

>>96082724
They are stretching out rule drops, made rules that forced you to basically change your army and buy more, and increased pricing was not cool. They are turning into GW badly now

>>96082022
wargames have almost nothing to offer in the video game age.

>>96082022
Because it is, if you scene doesn’t have Warhammer scene then it has nothing. Infinity is barely chugging, flames of war fucked up themselves, and overall it’s dire

>>96082887
>looks at 40k 10th that is trying really hard to look and feel like playing like some random dota like game
If you put it that way, yeah "wargames" have nothing on video games.

>>96082724
>>96081673 (OP)
It’s not looking good they basically also nerfed a majority of all regular bolt action units and beefed up all the future/weird war shit massively

>>96082871
Why do US Marines need different rules from the US Army? They are two branches of the same military that largely use the same equipment.

>>96083351
Yes but marines and us army had different squad structures, and different weapons used sometimes too. For example a marine squad used up to 3 BARs compared to the us armies 1 per squad. They also used shotguns sometimes too.

The American book recently came out and they do have separate USMC and army rules

>>96083351
Are you retarded? They used different tactics and had different roles. Bolt action also offered a multitude of minor army rules too like Chinese or Finnish army rules

>>96081697

It's literally lead in the water.

Actually looks slright to me but eh ww2 and weird ww2 is not my wheelhouse. I really like ww1, napoleonics, dark ages, renaissance but ww2 "total war" is too vast and destructive plus I don't want to paint 100 drab olive dudes

>>96082724
It's fairly well received here and people like the changes.
>I have to buy more models
Let's not pretend the majority of players had exactly 2000pts of miniatures, but not a couple extras. And for most lists its just a few HQ options that are missing. It's a complete non-issue for everyone I know.

They also got rid of any reference to nazi germany or anything that might have offended people in an alt-history game about ww2. It seems silly especially when they already have bolt action I figured this would happen when a lot of the founders started leaving or died.

It also feels like they are trying to make the crossover between bolt action and konlfict 47 much weaker. The newer rules for the non-weird tech stuff are weak from what people are saying.

>>96086011
Rightfully so. Bolt action units in K47 felt like a weak try to get people to play it (and buy some expensive resin upgrades) but it just never felt right. Why even bother with rift tech and other weird stuff if regular tanks and infantry are just the same (rule wise).
It's okay to still allow the historical stuff in the game, but it's totally reasonable that some kind of weird tech laserturret T-34 tank should have an advantage over the regular version.

>>96086020
It was always kind of fucking stupid that all the K47 box sets had shitloads of regular units in them. I feel like the appeal for them being something you could add onto your existing BA armies was wasted anyway with that.

>>96086020
Becasue the setup for konlfict 47 still had the high-tech stuff as being relatively rare compared to some of the more mundane stuff. You could do a mix of the two side by side and make your army more high-tech or traditional. It was still viable to do mostly older tech with some high end support. Anti-tank rifles are an example of being an item that was probably more useful in konflict 47 than bolt action funny enough.

>>96082022
>more revenue than ever before
>better models than ever before
>more active games than ever befpre
>even more secondaries spreading awareness than ever before

Dying, in what sense? The sense that aggrieved little faggots who say the n-word feel unwelcome in it?

>>96086094
The models look much worse compared to some of their older releases. The newer stuff looks too sleek. It doesn't match where weapons and arms tech during WW2 was often limited by the lack of welding or bonding techniques.

>The sense that aggrieved little faggots who say the n-word feel unwelcome in it?
Who is even talking about that in the thread? Why did you jump to this?

>>96086094
dying in a "we want new fans" Sense

>>96086094
I feel super welcome, so don't worry about that. But I'm also not a nogame loser.

>>96086094
You can say "Nigger" here, anon. The BlueSky and Youtube police isn't gonna hunt you down.

>>96081673 (OP)
The models looks good, but Warlord has poor quality.

>>96081735

I'm racist, but isn't a decent chunk of our hobby about speculation and expanding upon little-known topics in history? Yasuke is an interesting footnote in Japanese history and I don't think it's unreasonable that this 6 ft+ tall foreigner must have been intimidating as hell when all decked out in samurai armor.

Dark Ages skirmishes are popular even though we don't really know much about the tactics etc actually used but just assume if 1200 guys can make a shieldwall, so can 12 guys. We do what-if scenarios like Operation Unthinkable or 1980's battles in the Fulda Gap.

>>96092019
>Dark Ages skirmishes are popular even though we don't really know much about the tactics etc actually used but just assume if 1200 guys can make a shieldwall, so can 12 guys.

Yeah, you're about as intelligent as most racists on here.

>>96086020
>>96086040
>>96086056
Because old K47 was actually trying to do something more grounded. This is a blogpost from 2016.
>>96086094
Don't you have to be taking AIDS medication or dilating instead of posting here

Can any fans sell me on this? Just found out about this game today and drooling over the spider panzers, but people saying it sucks and gav Thorpe ruined it?

>>96092265
>no magic
Dead on arrival.

>>96086225
that's probably because they look down the street to GW and see them making more money than ever before, and think "how cun we git some of dat mate"

>>96092265
That's fair, but it's my right to find it lame and ignore it (which I did). And I think it's good that now they made the historical units weaker than the weird stuff.

Wait, Gav no longer works for GW?

>>96093998
Believe it or not, Warlord Epic has been huge for them. Note they keep releasing for it whereas other license are allowed to be grandfathered out, start sets have better plastics in them but sadly the additional units you're now buying are all siocast which imho isn't everything it's marketed as.

But they sell something in the order of thousands of one tank per month, and Epic was a real earner for them. So, they must be doing something right. For me, they are getting a bit expensive. The non wargames factory kits are generally good.

Personally I have no interest in Epic because it's just more than I can be bothered with and I would ssy they are more like really good quality toh soldiers than comparable 15 or 10mm plastic or metal. They are good, but a little samey. Stallard insists they are all 15mm from base to tip, as in truescale, but that would probably infuriate mamy haha

>>96093998
Crikey mate it's bloody notting ham not auckland ya bloody piker

>>96095455
I'm guessing his dementia-ridden ass mistakenly walked into Warlord's office instead of GW's one day and just kinda started doing his thing there.

>>96095463
I think what held "epic" scale games back was the lack of plastics all those years. Warlord got this, and WGA is releasing their version of Warmaster/Fantasy stuff too.
And eventually someone besides GW will do epic scale sci-fi stuff and people will love that too

Any fans of the game? Is it good? Anyone excited for the new edition?

WARLORD GAMES STILL HASN'T RELEASED THE NEW PLASTIC EIR KIT THEY TEASED FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO

>>96081673 (OP)
>Resin
lmao fuck off

>>96082022
Corvus Belli are alright.

>>96083003
Flames of War still exists but outside of one store in Pensacola it is played exclusively in the garages and basements of middle aged and boomer dads in rust belt cities.

>>96099038
No they are not

>>96083351
>They are two branches of the same military that largely use the same equipment.
the crucial difference between "largely" and "entirely" is the kind of au jus that Bolt Action players are there to consume in the first place. but yeah the USMC was actually quite a bit different from the army

>>96082724
most of the people calling BA 3.0 a flop havent even looked at the rulebook
example A. >>96082871

>>96095413
It's also your right to suck cocks at a truckstop gloryhole, a passtime you give every indication of relishing.

>>96095455
Gav hasn't worked "for GW" for ages. He just hung around occasionally shitting out a properly stinky BL novel and doing exactly the sort of dumb performative social media shit you'd expect from a terminally online Wife's Son Haver so we wouldn't forget he existed.

>>96092265
They literally had zombies and werewolves

>>96081998
What happened in 4e?

>>96081697
They made a bad call a few years ago doing a Mythic Americas game, pumped a ton of money into making this aztec fantasy wargame, no fucker brought it. Got 25% Brought by Hornby of all people and have been trying to recoup since, hence the new additions to try and drum interest and get people buying starter boxes.

>>96081673 (OP)
>Go from immensely overpriced metal kits to workable plastic
I will be buying a spider tank and some mecha SS troopers. I will be converting them for other games, pay lower prices, and actually be able to dremel and drill and pin the pieces - now in beautiful crisp ABS - without it being a giant pain in the ass. Where's the problem? I've wanted plastic K47 for a while. Resin characters are gay but that's not my problem, nor is the rules sucking. Plastic kits, that I like.

>>96081673 (OP)
>>96081688
y dunt u kids liek my changes?

Will they be discontinuing the metal minis? And will the game still mostly be historical armies with varying amounts of weird stuff?

>>96105423
You may have difficulty understanding that Warlord is probably the second biggest tabletop company after GW. They are thriving

>>96107166
K47 newb here, what did he change that has people up in arms?

>>96107227
>second biggest tabletop company after GW
Mantic or Archon Studio, not Warlord.

>>96107330
Hahahahaha
Hahahahhaha
Hahahahahhahahahaha
No

>>96107339
Yes.

>>96081673 (OP)
>Utterly ruin
NOBODY PLAYED IT
NOBODY BOUGHT IT
NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT

NOW YOU KNOW IT

>>96107352
It amazes me how you nogames and nomodels replace the hobby with industry shop talk yet have no handle on it whatsoever

>>96107399
Uh hu. Interesting.

>>96081688
fpbp and checked. Gav has always been discount bin Andy Chambers. Cool to see he's living up to it.

>>96092019
>I don't think it's unreasonable that this 6 ft+ tall foreigner must have been intimidating as hell when all decked out in samurai armor.
He was never decked out in samurai armor. He was a baggage handler.

>>96107427
>As a samurai, he was granted a sword, a house and a stipend. Yasuke accompanied Nobunaga until his death and fought at the Honnō-ji Incident until the death of Oda Nobutada

>>96107482
He was not a samurai, though. Never made a member of the samurai social class. He was a retainer who carried Nobunaga's sword and luggage.

>>96107501
>The black man understood a little Japanese, and Nobunaga never tired of talking with him. And because he was strong and had a few skills, Nobunaga took great pleasure in protecting him and had him roam around the city of Kyoto with an attendant. Some people in the town said that Nobunaga might make him as tono ("lord").

>>96107427
Specifically, His lord's swords, which isn't the lowly position you're trying to make it sound like with that "baggage handler" crack.

>>96107525
>It was ordered that the young black man be given a stipend (扶持, fuchi), named Yasuke, and provided with a sword (さや巻, sayamaki), and a private residence. At times, he was also entrusted with carrying the master's weapons.

Definitely more than a roadie

>>96107525
>>96107545
Not a samurai. Even Japanese scholars from Japan have corrected the record at this point and here you guys are still insisting that Yasuke was a samurai.

>>96107581
Show me where I said "Yasuke was a samurai."

>>96107598
It's right there in the reply chain. It may not have been (You) but it was the basis of discussion that you jumped in on. So fuck off with this "never said it" shit. Someone did and that's what we're talking about.

>>96107598
Cool you autists are still sperging out about this for a gorillion posts.

I want to know if K47/Bolt Action is a good game.

>>96107581
Here's your ass throwing out unnamed "Japanese scholars" to an Anon who's quoting the closest thing we have to a primary source on the subject.

>>96081673 (OP)
Wait so does this mean I can't run my SS finns anymore?

>>96107227
Everything I said is clearly visible on the company's own website.

>>96107711
Yes, played a fair bit of 2nd and was great fun, not dived into 3rd because most my list hasn't got stats and won't get a rule book till next year (IJA)

>>96107312
bumpo

I would also like to know why people are upset

>>96107312
noone actually knows ANYTHING about the rules changes, since they arent out
retards are just sperging at new thing as usual

>>96108273
1 thing i will always concede on is that the quarterly release of rulebooks (mind you, not with EVERYTHING they had to offer at the end of 2nd either) is definitely the biggest L BA3 has
Since, yknow, you have to just suck it up if you arent a basic german or us player (as in, using just their more basic stuff)
Once all the main countries have a book it will be alot better, but quarterly was just a bad choice

>>96108383
Ah, gotcha, appreciate the info

>>96081735
Yasuke is a cool bit of history and he deserves better than an endless procession of rape by every woke company looking to virtue signal.

>>96086094
Based homophobic anti-racist

>>96095744
I'm hopeful at some point Kevin Siembedia retires and RIFTS gets a wargame with giant robots fighting demons and monsters.

>>96109000
I think Yasuke would probably be pretty happy that people play toy soldiers with him.

Peter Pig does ones of people who were big in the wargaming community, old grognards etc when they have passed away and it's nice for the people that know them.

https://www.peterpig.co.uk/collectable%20figures.html

>>96107312
If you see someone who has been handed the keys and then driven like a complete retard on multiple occassions, then it isn't really a surprise when said idiot is handed the keys yet again and observant people are betting on just how bad the next wreck will be.

>>96109982
Uncle Kev will still be running RIFTS / Paladium into the ground until the day he dies, and maybe longer if they can't pry it from his cold dead hands fast enough.

>>96107330
Archon studio is not a wargaming company. They make plastic models for others and random d&s compatible minis on their own.

Those German troglodyte like infantry guys are cool.

>>96081998
The 4e chaos codex wasn't strictly his fault, the books after were meant to follow that design but gw got cold fear and pulled the standardisation process

>the only thing people ever complained about in bolt action 2.0 were snipers and machines guns
>fix these, but also shrimplify the rules and nobody plays it
Bravo warlord

>>96081673 (OP)

I mean, what's happening to Warlord is that they keep hiring ex-GW. That's the main reason why they set up shop LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM in Nottingham.

>>96111050
>complaining about simplification of all things for bolt action
>the game notorious for having units strewn across 17 different books
Theres certainly things to criticize BA3 for (quarterly rules release is just really bad) but i dont think the simplifying the game (barely, its still plenty bloated, but atleast theres not 17 different versions of the same rule anymore) is the thing to point to

>>96081673 (OP)
Apar6t from the creepy Warlord shills on the FB page, does anybody support this idiotic change?

>>96111741
Who else should they hire if they want at least some experience?

>>96110778
>Archon studio is not a wargaming company.
They are now, it's Archon who are heading up development and production of the Star Craft wargame.

>>96100595
Played BA3 and i'm still thinking it is worse than BA2 in almost every aspect.

>>96110590
If anything Yasuke would be pretty confused that people even remember him after all that time. Confused and probably amused about the amount of theories we make about him today.

>>96113123
Give some examples maybe?

>>96112183
You mean the change from overpriced and mediocre plastic and resin models to proper plastic sets? It is great and i'm not even planning to play the game. But i will absolutely get some cool mechs to use in Five Parsecs.

>>96107501
>The word samurai originally referred to domestic servants and did not have military connotations.
Interesting
>According to Morillo, during the Sengoku period, the term "marks social function and not class, It means a retainer of a lord - usually, in the sixteenth century, the retainer of a daimyo", and was used to refer to "all sorts of soldiers, including pikemen, bowmen, musketeers and horsemen".[8]
Yasuke was a retainer of a Lord. Thus he was a samurai. QED bitch.

You guys know this isn't /v/ right? You don't need to play every single new mainstream release as a huge disaster in the making and endlessly wish the hobby would die because several years ago they included a black person in their artwork.

>>96113421
>mediocre

The new designs are awful. You'd only have to buy a few units that you could use with your normal BA army to do fun weird war games. There already were 'proper plastic sets', it was the normal WW2 stuff.

>>96113484
>if you dislike a shitty new edition you're racist

>>96081673 (OP)
Are those supposed to be new German heavy infantry? If so, fuck off with that shit and just give me new Jin-Roh models in plastic.

>>96081673 (OP)
>make a weird war game
Found the problem. This shit always sucks ass.

>>96113484
We don't NEED to, no. We CHOOSE to.
Likewise, you don't NEED to gunt guard anything that has a capital B lack person in it, but you CHOOSE to. Such is the miracle of the internet.

>>96113484
The internet stopped being about finding other people to talk about shared interests and became about complaining about shared grievances and hysteria, because that gets more engagement on every single platform

>>96082022
Peter Principle. People rise to their level of incompetence. Most of these small shops are run by incompetents, like Warmahordes' fall from grace. Lots of stories of fucking LGS and distributors for no reason, or because they're dumbasses that ultimately killed their games' momentum in the non-GW scraps.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that companies like Wyrd and Privateer going full retard are part of why everything in the wargaming space has centralized on GW. While James might be expensive, they won't fuck you on basic things like so many promising indie wargames.

>>96113633
>Peter Principle. People rise to their level of incompetence.

I dont think this applies to most of those small indie/hobby companies. Sure, the leader/founder might be incompetent from the start, but is often not replaced by anyone incompetent raising upwards.

>>96113600
Weird War is kino, play Incursion, it's one of my favourite board games.

>>96082022
It's because the hobby got flooded with, for a lack of a better term, normies. As a result everything gets dumbed down because people think wargames are board games. They are not.

>>96113849
I mean that they stay small because they fuck up things that GW nails.

>>96082022
Archon Studio's Starcraft wargame looks pretty promising.

>>96114720
Have they showed off any of the miniatures yet? I agree that its interesting, but at this point its just announcements i believe

>>96114123
>It's because the hobby got flooded with, for a lack of a better term, normies.
An ironically normalfag opinion. The 3-5 GW refugee games you've been made aware of through no effort of your own are going through a cyclical lull, it's nothing.
>As a result everything gets dumbed down because people think wargames are board games. They are not.
If you knew anything about this hobby you'd realise what retarded nonsense that is. Board wargames exist and many of the more popular ones would melt your normalfag brain. "As a result everything gets dumbed down because people think [miniatures] wargames are board games" is just meaningless word salad. You're such a normalfag you can't even have an informed opinion about your own hobby. Not alone though, plenty of you on /tg/. Think it comes down to all the smelly retards thinking they're some sort of uber nerd as a cope.

>>96113484
>bro expresses his dissatisfaction about how a game he enjoyed is being enshittiifed
>RACISM
You are unironically what's wrong with media.
the fact that you will eat shit doesn't mean all of us want to.
>>96114720
i need to see some of that, wouldn't mind getting me some dragoons.

>>96116131
A game he enjoyed, and yet has not posted his miniatures for that game?

>alternative history slop
Most boring shit imagineable

>>96118293
It can be cool, it's just that ww2 ones tend to walk the same boring tracks every time.

>>96118307
Yeah, with WW2 things get boring quickly. I like the silver bayonet setting a lot tho.

>>96118684
I think it's just that there's very few ways people are comfortable with when running nazis and the other factions follow suit. It will end up as a hodgepodge of (Hollywood) cliches, especially whatever was popular at the time. Even without magic super science, it's not that hard to come with scenarios that are hardly ever explored. But instead we get the watered down Inglorious Basterds where Nazis pullled some wunderwaffe out from their ass in 1944 that turned the war around.

>>96119199
This. And of course there have to be werewolves, (nazi)-zombies and some sort of mechs, otherwise it would be boring, right? idk.. not my setting at all. I take nice mech kits any day tho.

>>96117780
>A game he enjoyed, and yet has not posted his miniatures for that game?
you asking me specifically for minis or the other guy?

>>96126098
Anyone asking for miniatures is doing it not for any sort of validation of ownership, but to doxx.

>>96115514
Have you considered that he didn't post "meaingless word salad", you're just a fucking moron? The alternative is simple bad faith, since it's patently obvious anon was referring to "board games" in the sense of your typical casual party game not some heinously complex hex & chit affair designed by a former NATO warplanner or whatever you're disingenuously trying to imply.

>>96127906
Or because they have no argument to make and so seek to deflect and undermine the validity of their opponent in other ways.

>>96118307
>>96120833
>>96119199
It's "Woah! Nazi vampires/werewolves/zombies!" And some mad science. And then the allies are fucking boring, and the Nazi stuff is just the same shit aping Wolfenstein for the umpteenth time.

Weird War 2 is fucking lame, at least as a skirmish-platoon game.

Maybe you could do something cool in the air, but aerial wargames as a rule tend to be clunky as hell.

I would prefer it if Gear Krieg just had reasonable prices. Or if the 3D printables had the full roster.

>>96127965
No. Consider what you're having to do is exactly the same as me; trying to imagine what they intended, but failed, to communicate. You're also having to try and derive meaning out of that rubbish. Consider also that you acknowledge the truth of part of what I was saying, but have no response besides vaguely writing that I'm "disingenuously" posting "in bad faith".

There's an argument to be made that there's a handful of games at any one time that cater to 40k refugees that are ruined by those normalfags by trying to cater to them. There's release churn like 40k, there's new editions, and the companies usually fuck something up somewhere around 3rd-4th ed. The fags complaining about normies are exactly the same normalfags that are responsible by being the target market. In any case it's absolutely nowhere near "the whole wargaming hobby" or "every war game company".

>>96128170
>aping Wolfenstein for the umpteenth time

Well I wanted 28mm Wolfenstein. And of course the Allies are 'lame', they're supposed to be the normal WW2 guys dealing with evil Nazi mysticism or mad science. I want Tommies or GI's fighting Nazi zombies or genetic experiments, trying to stop rituals and the like.

>>96129089
>I want Tommies or GI's fighting Nazi zombies or genetic experiments

Thats fair, but pretty much no Weird War 2 game ever does this. There always are some equally weird units shoved into the allies and the other nations to counter the weird nazi experiments and tech.
And it kinda always is the same stuff too. Sure, there are differences in art, but you had zombies in Dust, you got zombies in Reichbusters, in Ubersoldat, and that Cthulhu game has them too. At least Dust had some good looking Mechs.

>>96129289
At a point it's just part of the genre convention. Of course they're gonna feature similar stuff, in the way a pulp will have a loinclothed warrior or a private dick. It's how it goes. It's like complaining a fantasy setting has orcs. Of course it has orcs.

>>96129461
I know. And complaining about it seriously would be silly. Its just a feeling that there could be a bit more originality sometimes.

>>96086020
In terms of storyline, all we know is that Germany was taken over by something called the "Green Vault" which is something new and not part of the Nazi party.

I agree it sounds pretty shit, and a dumb attempt at sanitizing which feels pretty insulting given what happened in WW2, but I will wait for more info first. I don't feel confident they'll pull it off, but they might pull it off.

>>96107512
>>96107545
I think it is worth pointing out that Yasuke has only ever been promoted by one academuc whose work is, frankly, laughable. It's a marketing exercise by an obsessed underpaid academic.

>>96107711
Bolt Action is good but maybe too close to 5th edition 40k for some people's comfort. The community that I have seem has always gravitated towards late war tournement play, leading to bizarre ahistorical lists with unusually high numbers of assault rifles.

BA is most well known for its initative system, where players put one dice for every unit into a bag and take turns drawing the dice. Each dice lets you activate a unit.

>>96129532
>too close to 5th edition 40k
I haven't played bolt action for possibly close to a decade now (lmao the perception of the passage of time is not linear kids) but I don't remember the terrain rules being that retarded

>>96129563
>>96129532
Its written by the same guys who wrote 3rd edition 40k, and it shows.

>>96129563
Okay, you got me there. I needed a shorthand to compare it to 40k and make it clear it wasn't modern 40k but it wasn't exactly Oldhammer either.

So I'll revise that to "At the time Bolt Action released, it was the most 40k style WW2 game out at the time."

You may disagree but it is clearly more like 40k than WW2 games like Alzo Zero or Chain of Command.

Like other 40k influenced WW2 games it includes tweaks and improvements, but the influence it still obviously there.

The only info we know is:

(1) The storyline of Konflikt 47 1st edition still seems to apply, with the US dropping a nuke on Germany and creating a rift that whispers technological secrets to people. (Source: blog posts written in-universe)
(2) There was a coup in Germany and a group called the Green Vault is in charge. (Source: the new German army box description)
(3) In terms if rules, they are buffing the superscience units and introducing a "Rift Energy" mechanic, where the energy that powers the superscience ebbs and flows during a battle (source: Warlord blog posts)

I'm surprised people got so mad about the Green Vault and didn't notice the mixed race US Firefly unit. You know, in the 40s.

>>96129580
>"At the time Bolt Action released, it was the most 40k style WW2 game out at the time."

Not correct, because at the time it was released, it was already 40k 7th edition. Its target audience at the time was "young dads" who remembered 40k from the time of their youth, but got out of touch with it for some years and struggled to get back to 40k (or simply could not afford it any longer). They felt just at home.

>>96129627
Agreed. The coup is not really that far fetched anyway. There were several attempts on Hitlers life, and there were circles within the officers corps who disliked him a lot. Stauffenberg tried to kill him in 44, because his group thought the war lost if there was no change in leadership. This type of thinking would only be reinforced if there was a nuke on german territory involved, because apparently the nazis were so weak, they let it happen.

>>96129580
>>96129571
I did know what you mean generally, guys

>>96129659
>anon is surprised that he got a bunch of autists to over-explain themselves

>>96113484
Nobody cares about you stroking your ego by defending mystical negros on the internet.

>>96128720
>No.
Yes. I understood him perfectly fine as did 99% of people, you're just dumb as fuck.
>There's an argument
No there isn't. The normification of the hobby is well documented and has been increasing steadily for the last decade. GW might be driving it - largely by continually recruiting more, new, normier fans - but other companies are gleefully following suit. I haven't been GW's target market or the target market for "GWbabby's first historical" for 20 years and I can still see what's going on perfectly well.

>>96129513
It's sad to see we're now in a timeline so utterly cucked that even *killing* nazis - in a game set around WW2 - is seen as too risque lest someone be offended by their mere depiction.

>>96130121
Although I do agree with you, I will wait and see. We don't have enough information (yet) to know if it is Warlord giving in to some overpaid "sensitivity reader" or if there's more to it.

>>96130121
Neocons get too uppity if you kill nazis

>>96127906
Anon it's luducriously easy to post your minis without dodging yourself lol

>>96127906
How exactly would posting a photo of your miniatures be used to doxx? Just dont post a photo you’ve already put online on a personal account lol.

>>96130121
WW2 has been living rent-free on the heads of people so much anything regarding it has become too sensitive, almost like it's part of their personalities. It's pathetic. You never see this shit with any other wars, older or more recent.
Personally, I blame Hollywood for the constant stream of shitty WW2 flicks.
>>96130963
I'd bet on it since they seem to be nigh-omnipresent nowadays.

>>96130121
There's always been a very light presence of "erm, why are you playing as the fuckin' nazis!!!" hovering around on the edges of discussion around historicals. It's generally given a pass because it's historical. The second you step away from the history books people start getting way more nervous about it.

This is still fucking gay because weird war is usually also given a pass because it's typically on the lines of "what if hitler was so evil he made a pact with horrible entities and now we have to stop him even harder".

>implying Warlord can stop me from painting up all the Axis as Waffen-SS and sticking on swastika transfers

>>96131196

I can't wait until WWII falls out of living memory and thus becomes the domain of history autists.

I find it interesting but it causes such brainrot among the normies and boomers.

Does anybody else make fun Weird War stuff like this set from Pulp Figures?

>>96132925
Awesome minis

>>96081673 (OP)
The fugly models for sky high prices is what keeps me away from a lot of Warlord's offerings. And of course they are trying to stop people from just playing with (much more affordable) regular WW2 models.

>>96129513
Hitler being able to maintain his leadership is the most fantastical premise of all lol. He would have had an "accident" eventually. There is no realistic scenario where he is still in charge and they can win, because he fucked up so hard.

>>96131214
No, there hasn't. 40k tourists bring that with them.

>>96133051
No anon realism isn't important, just "realism" (some anon's personal concept on how the world works)

>>96133075
I'm really curious about what /tg/ actually plays.

>>96100849
From that post I'd presume the werewolves are human-animal hybrids and the zombies are mechanically animated bodies.

>>96132925
Love Pulp Figures. I have a whole unit of their She-Wolves.

Don't know if they fit, but the Dreamforge sculpts that are now done by WGA might work for power armoured Nazis. Plus the Raumjager, WGA's off-brand Armageddon Steel Legion, are explicitly kidnapped Nazi soldiers in their own game.

>>96133051
>>96133075
Hitler being in personal command of Germany or otherwise isn't the issue, it's replacing *the entire Nazi apparatus* with a new fictional one that doesn't have all the nasty-wasty imagery that's cuckshit for faggots.

EVERYTHING BAD REEEEEEEEEE

>>96134149
It might have something to do with the fact that nazi symbolism is literally illegal in Germany. If you sell miniatures in Europe you want to sell it everywhere, especially in one the biggest consumer markets

>>96101301
GW split chaos into 3 different factions
demons,
Marines
and mortals
they also removed a lot of the flavour creating a very bland, chaos renegade army list.
By contrast the 3.5e army book is the high watermark, any chaos grog will point to that and say, this was the best, i could do anything i want.
>>96110971
i was told this was explicitly his idea, can't remember if it was hearsay or the andy chambers interview but splitting chaos in 6e fant/4e 40k was what he oversaw or pushed for
regardless, we've given cruddance and ward more shit than gay throbe

>>96134163
The whole german censorship is still hilarious to me.
>Nein! Zat never happened! Zere never vas a man with a mouztashe! Zere never vas a funny cross! NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!!

>>96081697
I just want to ask them, what the fuck is up with the big sculpt quality downturn, it used to be polish guy who was alright and the guy that sculpts everything in 32mm, now they have a new guy and his swiss landsknecht sculpts are some of the worst sculpts ive ever seen.

Also, warlord resin? Why the fuck would did they see finecast and just decide to make the same mistake!?

>>96082871
This killed it for me, you wait for years for plastic winter brits and they are overpriced siocast dogshit and plastic sculpts worse than the older ones.

>>96130113you're just dumb as fuck.
>Yes. I understood him perfectly fine as did 99% of people,
After ignoring everything that outs himself as a normalfag. Despite repeatedly calling me stupid that's the third time you've bounced off this without getting it. Of course if you were really this retarded you wouldn't understand me enough to be mad at me in the first place so "bad faith" and "disingenuous" must be projection also.
>>There's an argument
>No there isn't.
Could have fooled me. I made it, and your reply is garbage again.
>The normification of the hobby is well documented and has been increasing steadily for the last decade.
Got giant balls and a hollow head writing this ridiculous stupid shit. Well documented by whom and why then haven't you posted any of it? Maybe it's a bunch of stinky retards on 4chan. Faculty meeting next to the pissbottles in the basement.
>other companies are gleefully following suit.
Yeah, the aforementioned 3-5 GW refugee games that exist any one time
>I haven't been GW's target market or the target market for "GWbabby's first historical" for 20 years and I can still see what's going on perfectly well.
Everything you're writing tells me I shouldn't trust you. But if you're in your 30s or 40s crying about normies despite being insulated from them you're one enormously sad sack of shit.

Case study: new editions of two popular platoon(ish) WWII games:
Bolt Action
>normalfag game
>written by ex-GW staff
>stable second edition, 8 years old, clearly running out of hype and shit to release
>new edition is change for the sake of churn
>players largely hate it

Chain of Command 2
>still popular but a non-refugee market
>nothing bad happens because it's not normiebait

Night and day. It shouldn't be so controversial to say that you've got to play normshit to be affected by normalfags, but astonishing levels of denial are why the anon you're white knighting wrote that stupid shit in the first place.

>>96100849
Yes, NAZI SUPER SCIENCE zombies and werewolves, none of that silly magic nonsense.

>>96134149
Nobody stops you from painting as many swastikas on your models as you want

>>96135039
Players don't hat 3rd edition. You should not take 4chan posts as general opinion.

>>96134163
Anybody who agrees with censoring history on political grounds belongs in the same ditch as the Nazis. The Germans who created that law were stupid hypocrites.

I picked up some of the older models in anticipation of this.

On the general respons to 3rd edition, what I've seen is

>People like the machine gun change, because vehicle machine guns were oppressive and overtuned
>cutting down the numbers of to-hit modifiers was a good call
>Snipers were too good in 2nd, but got nerfed a bit hard in 3rd, so now their only real role is countering Observers
>The move to the multi-platoon structure would feel like a blatant cash grab if it weren't for how everyone I know already had enough vehicles to make an armored platoon. As is, its mostly just tickled the military autism by letting people build historically accurate mortar platoons and shit.
>getting rid of most free units was a good call
>the new sub-army approach like Land, Air, and Sea is okay
>cautious optimism for K47