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>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
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>Previous Thread:>>96069653>Thread Question:Which army are you thinking of starting next?
>TQ
Maybe I’ll buy some demons. I dunno. Kinda burnt out.
>>96082634 (OP)>TQProbably Warmaster greenskins.
Your games look like THIS?!?
>>96082678Yikes no I don’t play with people with 3d print third party scans. Soulless.
>>96082634 (OP)>TQ>None. I have a huge collection of dwarfs (20% or so painted) and I have no intention of changing. At most I'll just increase the size of my throng.
>>96082678Is that a case where after deployment two armies just move forward and bump into each other because there's no room to maneuver?
>>96082634 (OP)>TQKislev. I know you're working/have worked on them GW you slimy fucks
Also maybe Tomb Kings or Cathay.
>>96082708Well the units on the left have wheeled almost 450 from what I assume was their original deployment /facing
>>96082752>kislev Me too man. Me too. The war in Ukraine may never end. At this point they simply need to release Kislev and ignore it.
>>96082678Some very oddly placed terrain
>>96082708The 6×4 table format is too small for any actual maneuver and tactics, the armies start within throwing distance of each other, what would be like 40-50 feet irl. When armies are this close in a battle the time for maneuver is long since over, all that's left is to bump into the guys in front of you.
>>96082678>greytide roundiesAbsolutely fucking disgusting
>>96082752>>96082833What's the appeal of the GW of today doing a Kislev refresh? There's not much to be confident about from my perspective.
>>96082855I want Kislev? That’s the appeal. We know it’ll look like Kislev in total war and I’d be very happy with that.
>>96082862>GIVE ME MY SLOP..... NOW!!!!!
>>96082862>I want Kislev?Why?
>>96082678>>96082873Don’t you have something better to do perrynigger?
>>96082849Maneuver is done by cavalry and skirmishers, your big blocks of men's job is to advance. You don't need to play this retard game on a 12 x 8.
>>96082884funnily enough he's the only one in this thread who ever posts wojaks and basedjaks
>>96082634 (OP)None, though I would like to fill out my skaven with some stormvermin and perhaps an old screaming metal screaming bell. But I refuse to pay extortionate prices so both of those will quietly simmer for quite a time.
>>96082873Don't reply to that bot.
>>96082884>perryniggerYou don't even understand the reference lol
>>96082884>perryfagWhy do you still talk about that guy? Move on
>>9608284920 dudes and a flag is hardly a regiment either. "The 6×4 table format is"(arguably) "too small for any actual maneuver and tactics" not because of the size of the field if unable to understand the concept of abstraction, but because of the number and size of manoeuvre elements and the relatively short movement rates. Stretch the table, increase movement, and I think the average table wouldn't be quite so barren when it comes to terrain either.
>>96082638>ACK!This hold is for pureblooded Dawi only you grobbi wazzock fuck
>>96082958The same hold that skaven and goblins inhabit? Using dwarf beards as blankets?
>>96082849Agreed, having no room to use things like fast cav, scouts, ambushers etc in a way they are supposed to be used/they work in lore is dumb. That was always a + of playing vs dwarf corner camp/fortified hill gunline. You will most likely be shot to bits but at least you have 85% of the table to make the most of the movement phase kek
>>96082896>your big blocks of men's job is to advanceDon't talk about things you don't understand.
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>>96082964This coming from the umgi lanklet whose wife lies with Beastmen
>>96082678Unfortunately yes
>>96082634 (OP)I'm looking for references one way or another to halflings being able to do magic.
In WFRP, it's not a career they can choose, and IIRC I think I remember mention somewhere that they seem resistant to Chaos.
But I also think that the (apocryphal) Halfling army list had a wizard?
What mentions are there, in novels or off-hand in sourcebooks or whatever?
>>96082958I think artillery units should have springs and winding mechanisms that a player has to physically interact with to fire them.
I just think it would be neat :)
>>96082855I personally have wanted a full Kislev army since I read the 6th ed mini-army. I think the faction is cool and I like the Slavic aesthetic and basis for the army.
I also think the bear-ice thing is a bit overexaggerated by people, since the majority of Kislevs roster is still stuff like infantry and cavalry (and also the bear riders are from 4th edition so they're weren't new for TWW3, not matter how many people try to claim they came out of no where).
>>96083088>slav asthetics Expect shitty cad copy paste from “soulblight” for kislev
>TQ
Cathay. Just have to find the damn figures.
>>96082896Historically the army that advances forward is much more likely to lose than the one that stays put. A huge part of pre modern generalship was tricking the enemy into making the first move advancing towards you while you help position
>>96083088NTA but the tabletop release will sadly focus on the Ice Court and ice bear shit rather than the orthodoxy which was my favorite element from the Total War relaunch. It will most likely remain underdeveloped
>>96083057It does speak of Wizards, but that wandering Wizards were prefered over a real Halfling Wizard, which has no time to study, gotta go eat!
>>96083057>>96083138I forgot to write, page 10 are the stats for Halfling Wizards
>>96082849>>96082943>>96082995None of you play games and it shows
>>96083118Only if you have a terrain advantage or fortification of some sort
>>96082896This:
>>96083118 is correct. Like romans using (infantry) flank move vs phalanx. Or Swiss pike/halberd double column
>>96083057I'm the fluff they have a very high natural resistance to chaos. Which would probably make for a poor wizard.
Hence bring limited to level 1-2.
>>96083176Instead of trolling you should really do something with your life anon.
>>96083176>no argument>npc canned responseyou've never played anything besides GW shit, you never will, and it shows
>>96083118>>96083182It's kinda the same thing. If you have the terrain advantage you don't move and you're more likely to win.
On top of not moving making commanding and reinforcing easier.
>>96083182Which is exactly what maneuver is for, armies would usually manuever for days or some times weeks avoiding the enemy until they found a favorable positioning, and then they'd try to bait the enemy to attack while they held position
>>96083197I'm finishing my glade guard bases and then time permitting moving onto the wild riders finally. Unlike you pissing your life away baiting the general of a game you don't even play.
>>96083176>At least I play games!The games:
>>96083215Just imagine your game of warhams is the enemy catching your army at an inopportune moment on even ground then
>>96083215Tabletop is not a grand strategy game or 4x zoomer
>>96083231The fact you are this desperately replying eoth bait just shows it's painfully obvious I was right. Now post your latest diorama or fuck off.
>>96083234Then I'd have a rearguard hold them off while the main army left, it would be a very lopsided game
>>96083231consider scrounging for new material since you keep regurgitating the same few images that are posted in every bad tables thread
or on second though, kill yourself instead
>>96083254>implyingThe 2000 point army you field IS the rearguard, or speartip, of what a full army would field. A to-scale warhams battle would look more like a game of Warmaster.
GW games are not strategy games, they're tactics games
>>96083231I'll take grey tide on a game table over a golden demon winning army that never leaves the display case.
>>96083118>Historically the army that advances forward is much more likely to lose than the one that stays put. A huge part of pre modern generalship was tricking the enemy into making the first move advancing towards you while you help positionBS. The only tricking done was to make enemy follow your battle plan and play to your strategy. Only fortified force on a tight defense remained stationary, and even that is partially true, staying put as you call it while enemy encircles you is literally death.
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>>96083277Taktikz? Ain't dem da fruity wotzits dat humies eat?
>>96083266I'm convinced perrynigger starts the bad terrain threads to farm these bait pics for later use
>>96083301>perryniggerrent free obsession kek
>>96083285Did you ignore the other post where I said they manuevered for days in advance until they had a favorable position? You can't be encircles when you have a hill to your left, a brook to your right and a thick forest behind you
>>96083312You have to be obtuse to not see that perrynigger is actively posting in this thread right now
>>96083301maybe. i wish he could be normal.
i still remember when he posted a pic of himself with his wife and child. first he was posting his bod, then playing pretend games with his wife in the garage, and then suddenly straight up a picture of them on some camping trip. he's a sick man.
>>96083325Remember when he said he had begged her to play games she had to use perfume to cover her smell, and his local LGS rejected him for being too autistic? I bet you do
>>96083329i actually don't lol. anyways this general went to shit once TOW started ramping up when it should have been the opposite, it's pretty sad.
>>96083340I just made that part up anon, you're too gullible
>>96083329>that guy has a wife and kidsThe bar is actually low isn't it?
>>96083350You didn't type that but the false flag is obvious
Tell stinky we say Hi
>>96083356If you look good and have a well-paying job you can pull a lot of desperate women.
High Elf Bros, I don't get when I should be taking White Lions and when I should be taking Swordmasters, aren't both great weapon elite infantry?
>>96083356looks like you weren't here for his naked body pics era, I would have a wife too if I looked like that
>>96083379Sword masters aren't technically great weapons and swing at initiative. They are S3 base tho. They have a bit more utility. White lions have stronger hits and better armor vs range. Each has their use.
>>96083379Use OWB and compare their rules and stats
>>96083356>low bar Except you forgot the part where I'm a fkin stud irl, tall jacked and handsome, and have a sick ass career on top of it
>>96083418Kneel before PerryGOD
>>96082634 (OP)Empire, I lowballed a lot and got some on the way
Gotta paint 1k points of my current army first tho, thank god elves are not a horde army. Once I get 1k painted I'll try and play around with empire. Thinking Ostermark for scheme.
>>96083418No one who posts on 4chan is a high value person.
Are banners and musicians important for cavalry?
>>96083544Depends, but usually no for light cavalry and yes for heavy cavalry
Do it anyways, they look cool.
>>96083544If a unit is meant to win combats on its own then you should always have a full command squad.
>>96083552Well I'm putting together my cathay box (so heavy cavalry i assume since theyre armored) and the banner is cool but the dude with a whole ass drum kit on his mount is a bit silly. Plus every drummer is a guy I dont get to outfit with their sick ass dragon glaives, and it feels really bad to leave those on the sprue, but I'm new to the game so idk how mandatory shit like musicians are
>>96083530You're projecting
>>96083544For cav who love and die om the charge +1 combat res for like 10pts or under js a no brainer, same with the +1 attack and often access to 25pts of goodies. The musician is the first to be cut but again, you'll regret not bringing him when you tie vs infantry and lose or whiff and he could have broke the tie.
>>96083578They can be helpful but it's like 1 in 50 combats it's been relevant for me. The result usually being "Oh, I guess I give ground now". Whatever
>>96083578I always build at least one of the unique models to get my money's worth. If you don't want a musician in a unit for rules reasons, just put him in the back rank or something. But it's better to have at least a single musician built and available to use in a game than to not have one at all.
I have yet to build my Cathay box but will build just a single full command squad for the Lancers and run them in a unit of ten. Then down the line I may want to field two units of five guys in a game and still want both of the units to have full command squads for rules reasons. In that case I just tell my opponent that both of my lancers have full command, but only one unit is modeled with them.
Where it gets tricky is situations where you have to explain to your opponent that your Lancer has full command for rules reasons but the unit on the table is only modeled with a champion and a bannerman. It's harder to remember at a glance and could cause your opponent to slip up.
Obviously for sanctioned GW tournaments you're not allowed to proxy like this but that doesn't matter to me.
>>96083544Yes. If it's your first time adding a unit to your army, give it a full command squad. You can remove the bits you don't want later.
>>96083578What kit is this? Looks like some AoS shit
Trying to think through my color scheme for bretonnia. For the cloth/barding, I'm thinking knights of the realm I will do in lots of different two color pairs like picrel, the questing knights will be pure purple and steel, and the Grail knights will be white and steel with gold trim. Makes them easier to differentiate at a quick glance and I think a bunch of white and gold Grail knights charging in will look pretty cool.
What about the infantry? I don't have a particular faction in mind so not sure what colors to go for on men at arms. Maybe just brown for peasant rags. But that might end up a bit boring.
>>96083649I realize you may prefer picture books anon. But you can try reading, I have faith.
>>96083656Obviously in the livery of their most kind lord, who would always mark his own with his style.
>>96083530>Will Shatner>Taylor Swift>Zach HadelYeah what a bunch of fucking losers
>>96083840If they post here, yes.
>>96083843I get not knowing the first two as a shutin neckbeard, but if you don't know psychicpebbles you're a colossal newfag and a smegma-gulping queer.
>>96083862Kek
>>96083656I thought green was a colour that was reserved for grail knights in the lore? Or was that changed?
>>96083840>will ShatnerHe’s technologically illiterate I refuse to believe he posted here ever.
Lore question. I'm sure many dwarfs won't (especially from holds in the KarakAnkor) but are there companies of Dwarf mercenaries? Perhaps working only for other dwarfs/certain humans?
I don't mean special unique stuff like long drong and his pirates, but like regular warriors/thunderers/longbeards.
I'd assume hammerers are out since they're specifically bound to a king (unless the king himself is some sort of condottiere character) and ironbreaers too are tied to an hold and its defence.
But I can see an engineer and a retinue of gunners (perhaps his own family members) lending his service and machine to well paying generals.
And slayers too, I guess.
>>96083977Im not terminally online, Only thing that interests me are rpgs and boxing online
>>96083840Will Shatner and Taylor swift I get but why the fuck did you include Zach hadel lol
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>>96083984They sell generic imperial dwarfs under the empire part of the webstore. Dwarfs that have lived in the empire for a long time and adopted their dress and way of fighting.
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>>96083983He's publicly acknowledged that he lurks /tv/. I doubt he posts much though. Taylor Swift used to shitpost and attention whore semi-anonymously on /b/ in like 2009. Zach Hadel and all of the Jewgrounds/Sleepy Cabin fags have mentioned 4chan boards and memes by name on their old podcast, iirc Chris O'Neill made a moot joke on his vidya channel just recently too.
>>96084004He's IRL famous at this point, my normalfag friends talk about his AS show.
>>96082678No mine look like this
>>96084017And landsknecht mercenary pricing too apparently.
I need to see empire get mogged by cathay
>>96084022>the biggest icon among western women is a fucking /b/tardFitting.
>>96084032It always was when the lore basically revealed Sigmar abandoned the Empire to go tap more dragon pussy out east.
>>96084059It's really good dragon pussy to be fair.
>>96084022>He's IRL famous at this point, my normalfag friends talk about his AS show.Okay? And? I wouldn't hold him up as notable non-loser. He's still just some internet guy even if he made a notable show.
Chinese player on Bilibili complains about how he dislikes GW's portrayal of Cathay, do to the faction being too black and white noblebright and not enough nuances as seen with the other Warhammer Old World factions.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16quMzaEF3/?spm_id_from=333.1007.tianma.4-2-12.click.
>>96084097This is just interracial porn
>>96084097>do toOpinion disregarded, post hidden
>>96083984It makes sense. Maybe not a whole hold. But a clab that specializes in fighting greenskins/beastmen/ogres/whatever they could then be selling their services to those willing to pay the probably exorbitant price.
If you go by very old lore (pre 4th edition) you actually have dwarfs and orcs fighting in the same army, although I don't remember who was the mercenary.
For my own tilean hold/heacanon there are a few companies that are indeed famous for their services as mercenary troops for the ever warrying Tilean states. Mostly regiments of thunderers and batteries of gunpowder artillery, but also a few characters who fight along/lead/train human troops for a hefty fee; engineers and architects are also highly sought by humans to help fortify their cities, set up foundries, assist with sieges etc.
>>96083984Dorfs would only fight for other dorfs in a clan fealty or debt repayment type situation, the only dorfs who would straight-up fight for coin are Imperial
>>96084022You're still a faggot regardless who else posts
>>96084026Nice anon, painted gameboard?
>>96084176Gotrek, one of the most famous dwarfs in the universe and a slayer took up mercenary work plenty of times simply to earn money to eat and sleep because stealing was below his honor.
>>96084176Thats some pretty limited worldbuilding
>>96084190That's a lone Slayer doing very brief contracts, not entering a long service as a mercenary. I think Mordheim had a Slayer gladiator in The Pit though, I suppose that's close enough.
>>96084191Dorf society is rigid as fuck. If you want freedom to do whatever, play knife ears like an elgram wazzock queer.
>>96084176>Greedy dwarfs won't do something for moneyThat's just silly.
Even if they weren't greedy passing up money is dumb. Money is power, and power settles grudges.
>>96084176>>96084233Not all dwarfs hold out there are from the KarakAnkor.
There's holds that don't have any oath to the high king, and I can see mercenary work as a supplement to their economy.
Now, they'll probably want to be paid in advance and they're probably very anal about what they'll do and for how long and against whom; but I don't see why a warrior clan can't fight for money
What are the black arks? Titanic ships or floating islands
>>96084241Their sense of honor is so stark and autistic that mercenary work is beneath them no matter the reward. Unless you're an Imperial soýdorf with no scruples.
>>96084266Dorf miners on an expedition out in the middle of nowhere have a job to do and wouldn't take on a merc contract even if they wanted to. Dorf holds outside the Karaz Ankor are busy fighting for their lives constantly without the High King to protect them.
>>96084274But what if their job was specifically to fight? Like a clan that specializes only in fighting.
>>96084271Yes.
>>96084274I'm going to make a dwarf mercenary army or of spite
>>96084296A clan like that would inherently be reliant on other dorf clans to produce their arms and armor, why would they stoop to mercenary dirty work for umgi fucks?
>>96084300You're free to be as gay and wrong as you like.
>dwaves mine for money
>dwaves build for money
>dwaves engineer and design for money
>dwaves brew for money
They already do all sorts work for others for money. It's dumb to think they draw the line at fighting.
>>96084309We have Ulther Stonehammer and his dragon company who are literally mercenaries from the KarakAnkor. Fuck they even released him MTO when dwarfs were launched in TOW
>>96084362Isnt that old lore tho
>>96084362And Imperial Fists have shit-eating rituals. Not everything from the fucking 80s survived into modern canon.
>>96084274Mercenary work isn’t beneath them it depends on the situation. Being a thief is much more dishonorable than honest work.
>>96082708What maneuvers are either player unable to make in this situation?
>>96084380That's all 40k players ever so it's very much canon.
>>96083231>conceding that you do in fact, not play gamesFiltered
Love story in The End of Time 1
>>96083297No you git, dats when you send the gobbos first so theyz get shot up then you can krump without enemy arrer boyz being gits.
>>96084462Hurr hurr, dat's good. Da gobbos make funny noises when dey get chopped up.
>>96084460Love story in The End of Time 2
Nice fucking preyton model beastmen players
Maybe the preyton shouldn’t have gloated about having files that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
>>96084513Love story in The End of Time 3
>>96084590Libya alone was a crime against humanity.
>>96084594Love story in The End of Time 4
>>96084640Love story in The End of Time 5
>>96084176>>96084191It’s also complete crap, dwarf mercenaries have always been a thing and even have their own statline in TOW
>>96084730Yeah idk where these people are getting their flanderized views of dwarfs from.
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What are some decent slaneshi demon proxies?
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>>96083100Better than stronk whammynz in mongol hats with ICEICEICE imported directly from fucking Fenris. 2021 skellies are what I want my Kislevite soldiers to look like - believable and not overdetailed, but with distinctly slavic coats and helmets. Radukar and the noble PC from cursed city are also prime boyar material.
>>96084380That's still canon, pissts are shit-eating BDSM gays who rape boys and brand their buttocks.
>>96084907It seems I am not the only one in this predicament
>>96083057I think in very old fluff a halfling was the chief wizard of one of the colleges
>>96084907>>96085094Preyton moulds were in the Epstein files.
>>96084907Why you want a preyton so much? It doesn't seem very good
>>96083984I feel miners would be very common as sorts of mercenaries, and rangers to a lesser extent. They would need currency to deal with non-dwarfs in their surface dealings, and mercenary work could provide that.
I also think it would also be common enough that a noble would lead his clan (with a full range of soldiers like warriors, longbeards, artillery) to fight alongside another dwarf noble or king in the pursuit of some venture (clearing a particular hold or mine) and he would be doing it on the condition of being paid. Effectively a mercenary, but technically it would described as a series of oaths of compensation for assistance that will paid for with a share of reclaimed treasure. They wouldn't crassly say they were only doing it for money, they would frame it as a chain of oaths of fair wergild owed from Lord to Thane to Warrior to his family, thus the Lord needs to be paid so he can fulfill his oaths to his warriors. All very honorable and fair, no dishonor at all.
>>96084097I don't want to make an account or donate my organs to read the comments (it's clearly asking me to subscribe to something but iunno)
Is there common agreement with this guy's opinion or not?
where do non-chaos barbarians come from? are there barbaric humans from the badlands or darklands?
>>96085358They come from HERO QUEST
>>96085358Norsca. Some of them DGAF about Gayass and would rather just do the usual rape and pillage like normal vikings
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>>96085358The various human tribes that settled the old world came from "the east", maybe there's still some in there.
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>>96085401>>96085414>>96082678No (3/3)
I will now no longer engage with your bait
>>96085418the juxtaposition makes me laugh so fucking much
>>96085445>>96085418In the Verdant Glade, beyond the Meadow of Harmony, across from the Hill of Flowers, lies the TOWER OF RAPE where NECRODOMUS THE SKULLFUCKER makes his home
>>96085358I can contribute with this
>>96085358>>96085393That's how Miao Ying describe men of the Empire.
Getting started with Beastmen, mainly Gors and ungors and I also got some movement trays to put together, but what size and ranks should I use? 5 wide or 10 wide?
>>96085557>have worked for many different armies, good and bad>have absolutely no ethics or morals >cannot be hired by orcs, undead, delves, or chaos
>>96085481he's a good lad
>>96085557This is a very fun unit, but beardlings and secondaries please be aware that the Citadel Journal in its 90s-00s incarnation was a sort of in house fanzine, full of all sorts of stupid shit like roller blading orks and halfling swan cavalry, with no bearing on actual GW canon.
I fully expect Thrugg and his friends to turn up in the next Total War DLC
>>96085481now the question is: who lives in the cottage attached to the tower?
>>96085617I consider the halfling armylist fully canon and you cannot convince me otherwise.
>>96085617I don't understand how this stuff published by GW can be considered non-canon.
>>96083138This list for example was approved by Black Library writers.
That means absolutely nothing for most people. It's non-canon fullstop.
The mention of Black Library is completely and utterly inconsequential, a complete joke with zero serious value.
I do not know how people reach these conclusions.
Another time I mentioned Lizardman Skinks using money from a White Dwarf article and people told me it was not canon because it was too weird and lizardmen are meant to be soulless automata of the Old Ones with zero free will.
How do people decide what is canon? Are the six Baalrukh canon?
>>96083379Both are heavy armour T3 elves. Swordmasters have better WS for a unit in the game, stellar I, ignore armour on 6s to wound and in majority of cases will strike before the attackers with S5 ap-2. White lions will always enter combat with guaranteed casualitites due to striking last and when playing elves you don't want to participate in attrition game especially with elite units. I've tried all big 3 elven infantry elites and WL are unfortunately still the worst of the batch.
>>96085358Non-chaotic Kurgan or Norse tribes. They still exist, especially in TOW. The mention of Kharakorsi in the TOW rulebook makes that fairly explicit.
Hell, there's a Dolgan bouncer in Middenheim in one of the WFRP 4e books, which I thought was neat.
>>96085711>Lizardman Skinks using moneyare we talking about trade between themselves or with outsiders?
>>96085720we're talking about them betting on dino fights
>>96083983>I thought green was a colour that was reserved for grail knights in the lore? Or was that changed?No, green in Bretonnia is associated with fey (savages from Loren) which also includes Green Knight. In essence: cultural taboo
>>96085619His grandmother, Gertrude Schönwetter. She likes to bake pies. It's strawberry season right now!
>>96084274>Their sense of honor is so stark and autistic that mercenary work is beneath them no matter the rewardPost source please
>>96085727ok, but that doesn't mention money
I'm not in the group that thinks "lizards are automatons", but them not valuing gold as currency is pretty well established, if they bet something, it must be food, drinks, tasks or some other kind of currency that isn't gold
Dwarfs are core in Dogs of War.
Dwarf mercenaries are very very common.
People should post more screenshots like I do
>>96085764what drinks would skinks be betting?
What is the skink drink?
>>96085711>I don't understand how this stuff published by GW can be considered non-canon.They published joke fan material. The bar is so fucking low. It's like taking a conversion from someone's army in White Dwarf as canon.
You can consider The Comradeship of Olorin the Grey, Aragand the Layabout, Giblet the Dwarf and Legles the Elf and their Ring of Concealment to be canon if you want. But I'm going to judge you.
>>96085746He won't because he pulls it from his ass.
>>96084176>the only dorfs who would straight-up fight for coin are Imperialthose are the words of some hypocritical dwarf making a true scotsman argument
God damn, this is crisp
Sucks that no army has heavy cavalry with bows.
>>96085773lustrian "wine", fermented cactus juice
for a lizardmen it is as strong as orange juice, for others it's quite powerful
>>96084369It's old lore, but it has been mentioned in recent publications, so it's no longer old lore.
>>96085773Catus Juice based on real-world mesoamerican alcohol
>>96085770Dwarfs were a special choice, not core in the 6th ed Dogs of War list (that you've posted that unit entry from)
>>96085906>mezcal >mildDid a dwarf write this?
>>96085929No just GW writers that didn't know the difference between Pulque and Mezcal
>>96085918And so fucking what?
any one got any ideas on where to look for some decent wood elf prints? looking for some alternatives to hawk riders and war dancers mainly
>>96085980what do you consider decent?
I am going to sculpt my own forest spirit models on blender and then print them
>>96086058you aren't just going to add a bark texture onto porn stl, are you?
Would you drink a skink drink with a skink?
>>96086100only if the drink comes in a coconut with a small umbrella
>>96086058Based. Post the results.
>>96086054>>96086028>>96086024all good shit anon thanks a bunch, may your herd ever give you milk and honey
>>96086100I would not sink to drink skink drink, sleek twink skink drink mate or otherwise.
>>96086024Anything free that is a direct scan of old metal GW sculpts
>just realized the colours of Stirland are the same colours as Brazil
I don't want to collect Stirland anymore
>>96083418id unironically hate suck perrynigger off
>>96085808Seeing a dwarf run alongside an orc is insane to behold
>>96086488to be fair that dwarf is blind on his right eye
Would this be enough to build a first Mordheim band?
Thinking about Marienburguers.
https://www.warhammer.com/en-FI/shop/empire-of-man-empire-state-troops-2025
>>96086541the free company box gives you more tools and less unform dudes.
>>96086541Tbh if you want marienburgers your best bet is to kitbash the free company militia box with archers, because the archers kit gives you a clothing style far closer to the original mordheim models. Just fill in the front section of the longcoat looking bits that goes over the legs with greenstuff or a modelling putty of your choice.
>>96086585Example here are some I'm working on at the moment.
I have also used the greatswords kit for torsos so that's kinda cheating but it does give a very close look to the originals
>>96086488>Dwarf: "Kill Urks! Retake the realm! Khazukan Kazakit-ha!">Dwarf also when promised some coins: "Courage brave Dawri ! Watch out, on your left Skullstabba !"
>>96082634 (OP)Already have all of them and am selling the ones I dont need anymore
>>96086628It is an extremely interesting dynamic when we can be presented with people with enough pragmatism to set aside their preconceptions and collaborate with unconventional partners, especially when it turns out the collaboration is fruitful to the end, because you expect it to not work, so if it doesn't work it ends up as predictable, but if it does work, and you give reasons as to why it works, suddenly you've added depth, tension, character, and a measure of attachment to the unlikely bet.
Everyone loves ogres specifically due to that flexibility, and many conventionally evil races could work just as well, once you've smoothed some of their edges for what concerns the ones involved in these fringe scenarios.
>>96086756That's a cool design for dwarfs; where is it from?
>>96085582Gors are flexible I use 7x3 myself or 5x4
>>96085582I plan on doing a wild herd, going 10 wide two rows of gors one row of ungors with spears in the back.
Otherwise i go 8 wide
so what is cathays "thing"
like, dwarfs are all slow and tough, elves are all fast and fancy, beasts berserk, warriors of chaos are all brick shithouses, undead reanimate, etc.
what is their niche or gimmick? is it just the dragon? i was looking through their rules and they dont seem particularly fighty or fast, they're tough but not crazy like dwarf tough. they arent slow but i dont think i would call them fast either. they only have a single monster at the moment, almost no shooting outside of artillery. are they just meant to be generalists? or is it all about the dragon? im struggling to get a good sense of what their whole gimmick is supposed to be
>>96087060well rounded hooman list (albeit with a limited selection of units owing to being brand new). Yin and Yang bonuses are their gimmick if you're a nu40k or AoS player
>>96087060Combined arms, like a more elite Empire
>>96087060>so what is cathays "thing"Armies having "things" stopped being a thing between the 6th and 7th edition and died definitely in 8th.
If you really want to force a thing for cathay, it is nominally a higher degree of coordination between its parts, evident in the support rules of the strategist and lantern, but otherwise given up on in favour of straight constant bonus in the vast majority of cases. for example in total war the 'yin' troops get boosts when near the 'yang' troops and viceversa, a mechanic supposedly taken from the tabletop rules gw gave them to instruct total war on how to mechanically stat the army, since they also used armybook stats and rules to instruct on how to implement the other factions in total war. but that's evidently been abandoned in the translation into rules for the old world, probably because the army doesn't have enough units to divide them into 'yin' and 'yang', because the tabletop units are way less mobile and less way numerous, and because GW wanted to make cathay strong to sell more, so I imagine the harmony mechanic developed into the compass roll that gives a bonus regardless of what happens.
So what are we seeing on Friday?
>Grand Cathay part 2, Dragon Emperor Loves You
>Dogs of War, but renamed units
>Chaos Dwarfs for AOS
>>96087257I don’t see them doing anything for Cathay yet. Maybe the odd resin kit dropped here and there out of nowhere. I have more money in narrative stuff.
>>96087257we already know we're not seeing more cathay stuff anytime soon
>JTY: The second Arcane Journal will be released alongside Miao Ying and the individual releases from the Cathayan Battalion, but there are no other unrevealed units scheduled. It’s a very narrative journal – we focus on how Chaos is affecting Grand Cathay and what makes the Storm Dragon decide to travel to the Old World. We discuss Cathayan connections between east and west – hinting at the antagonisms between the Jade Fleet and the Elves of Ulthuan – and the continuing war in Westerland.
>>96087285word on the street is that GW has put out the commandment, no more resin by the end of the decade. something about some new UK materials safety standard or some shit making it a legal liability hassle to produce
>>96087257it's arcane journal: dogs of war and a selection of the classic metal models getting put back in production. if there's any new stuff, it will be a character or two.
>>96087257hopefully something tomb kings
>>96082634 (OP)>TQFinally have a Skaven color scheme I like. It's time-time.
>>96087340>it's arcane journal: dogs of war and a selection of the classic metal models getting put back in production. if there's any new stuff, it will be a character or two.do you know this, or is it conjecture?
>>96087337They're still putting resin characters out for HH. The real cashcow.
>>96087381He's doesn't it's from a leaker. Fwiw it's not the craziest idea especially if chorfs are going to AoS to add another faction. I can see
>Arcane journal 2 for Cathay plus release remaining models>DoW get limited release and MTO to get fomo.>Kislev teased>1 legacy faction announced/teased.
>>96087397Wasn't there a leaker banging on about plastic pikemen and generic mercenary knights and Southern Realms?
>>96087412There's been a few about the "southern realms" but after watching them and people here hype the "Dogs of war" filter from GW as proof I'm just gonna wait with no expectations till Friday.
>>96087412no
also "southern realms" is not a thing
>>96087257>Dogs of War renamed to Southern Realms>High proportion of black and brown people>But anons, did you not know Spain was under muslim reign?
>>96087328Placing bets now for the jade fleet being somehow more powerful than ulthuans and also ez pz dealing with black arcs and norsca with the power differential of thr modern US navy vs Somali pirates
>>96087548>But anons, did you not know Spain was under muslim reign?That's already in the core rulebook.
>>96087257OMG NEW PRODUCTS... NEW PRODUCT NEW PRODUCT!!!!!!!! OMG SHOW IT TO ME NOW!
>>96087822Let us for a moment appreciate the chaos champion in bone armour
>>96087257Definitely Tomb Kings judging by the hat.
>>96087861championS in bone armour
>>96087822this but unironically
>the OLD world launches and brings back old rule system and old models >newfags jump on board and immediately start begging for NEW slop newhammer fans are permanently buck broken by corporate conditioning
>>96087548>Listen incel, didn't you know black people literally ruled Spain and invented most of their culture? That's why Spanish food has so much spices like chili in it.
>>96087983old models bad, new models good
simple as
>>96088027Truth is that its a mix, old models sometimes bad, new models sometimes good. The new TK BSB is great, but the old TK skeletons horsemen suck ass.
>>96087548We're absolutely getting female and/or black pirates of sartosa, that much is certain. Not sure GW are brazen enough to make black conquistadores.
>>96087983>corporate conditioningYou're the one defending the product they're actually selling no matter what
>>96088076I don't remember tomb kings having horns for helmets.
>decided to listen to some tourneyfags discussing tow skaven lists
>meta is storm vermin deathstar plus gutter runner slinger spam
Never felt better not playing the game
>>96088159>tourneyfagsThey will never play the game like normal people, it's not a great way to learn about an edition.
>>96088159>decided to listen to tourneyfags average GW drone
>>96088159>listening to tourneyfags about a grog game instead of looking into what is cool or fun to playThank God you got filtered.
This is exactly what I envisioned when they said WHFB was coming back
Why didn't they just chuck these cunts on round bases and put them in AoS
>>96088118that's because "tomb kings skeletons" were just the same kit of skeletons vampire counts were using but with one sprue for shields, bows and command sprue
not even enough kopesh and skulls with egyptian hats for the whole unit
it was lazy and bad already over 20 years ago, it was one of the main reasons for the faction's death 10 years ago, and it's straight up inexcusable now
no amount of fake grogs parading this shit as a sacred cow of vintage warhammer fantasy will change this
>>96088180This is so fucking retarded, holy shit
>>96088180I feel bad for whoever is running this, even Skaven or Lizardmen could crush this easy. Terrible list.
>>96088180>Chinese faction >not based around massive waves of ill equipped infantry fodder What gives? I thought they were trying to be culturally sensitive
>>96088175>>96088179>hook line and sinker
>>96088190Yeah while I have a few older kits I'm keen on generally the 6th and older plastic sculpts need a refresh.
>>96088228>I'm pretending to be retarded> called retarded>hahaStupid is as stupid does
>>96088228>heh...jokes on you... I was only PRETENDING to be retarded!right
>>96088208>culturally sensitiveThat means "suck their ethnic dick".
>>96088180>Why didn't they just chuck these cunts on round bases and put them in AoSbecause should be allowed to have nice models from time to time
>>96088343>nice models brain rot
>>96088180both the lantern and sentinel should have been half the sizes
>>96088318The Infantry and Cav die to even the lightest amount of shooting. The Sentinels are also quite vulnerable getting charged by punchy cav or shot down gradually since they're not particularly fast.
The balloon and lord are much more annoying though.
>>96088180Is it really that different from a Beastmen army with lots of big monsters?
>>96088439>The Infantry and Cav die to even the lightest amount of shootingNot any more than any other infantry or cavalry.
>The Sentinels are also quite vulnerable getting charged by punchy cav or shot down gradually since they're not particularly fast.Just because they don't fly it doesn't mean they aren't fast, they're M6, that's like saying cavalry isn't fast.
>>96088462the sentinel is twice the size of the biggest beastman monster
>>96088397would look weird. not cathays fault everyone is a manlet in the old world.
>>96088481Sure, height is silly, but its still just a couple of "centerpieces".
>>96088481Are the cathay infantry noticeably larger? Because if they aren't, that lantern couldn't have been any smaller and still fit all those dudes. Looks plausible to me in terms of proportions desu
>>96088560Solution: don't put stupid AoS tier flying lanterns on Warhammer Fantasy
>>96088464>Not any more than any other infantry or cavalry.Sure, but the question wasn't "what makes them weaker", it was about how to deal with them. Units that small will melt to shooting.
>Just because they don't fly it doesn't mean they aren't fast, they're M6, that's like saying cavalry isn't fast.Cav has swift stride. M6 without SS is quite slow, just look at stuff like Khemrian War Sphynx which is so ass and gets charged constantly (and dies).
>>96088592no, they should also bring the based skyjunks with the next wave.
>>96088592fantasy has had goofy ass flying machines for like 30+ years, fuck off with your purity test mudcore historishit
>>96088629Middle and right are shit for retards
>>96088629>posts AoS models Lol
>>96088592Is a balloon really that stupid next to gyrocopters and steam tanks? Its size is a bit too much, but a balloon in itself is perfectly in line with other vehicles in warhammer.
>>96088634wrong thread. warhammer is not for you.
>>96088481so what does this thing even do? they droppin bawmbs or what?
>>96088634>>96088638perhaps you'd like a more serious classical fantasy offering, grounded and tasteful
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>>96088464stop arguing with the Cathay retard, he literally will asspull to defend his WAACfaggotry including such gems as:
>3+/reroll infantry for 8ppm is bad!>heavily armored cav is bad!>Ming cant solo a bret lord while having 2x the utility and still shit kicking every one else is bad!>sentinels are bad because they just are! so what they are better ppm than any one elses behemoths>the baloon is just bad ok? I wont argue how its bad other than saying if I charge in im not using all its guns- see its bad!literally the dude is just a shill, don't waste your breath
The cannon shooting 3x in 2 turns is bad!
>>96087257>let's celebrate 10 years of AOS with a fantasy battle faction that got squatted TWICE!Future is looking bright
>>96088660Deleting Makaisson from the rerelease kit was the biggest fuck you in recent memory
>>96088642>compares it to 8th ed. pre-AoS slop *yawn*
>>96088671that one is actually cute
>>96088675hello mr. nogames
>>96088675>>heavily armored cav is bad!I mean yeah, they are pretty bad. They lose to other "elite" cav easily and die to shooting pretty simply too.
>>3+/reroll infantry for 8ppm is bad!
No, the infantry is pretty good, but the image linked had a unit so small it would fail to contribute anything at all.
The other stuff isn't even relevant to what I posted, play some games before you try to bring specifics please.
>>96088519That couple of centerpieces are going to make half of each and every cathay army.
They would be fine if there were middle sized options in-between to ease the contrast, but there aren't, so all cathay armies now look like the kind of monster spam armies people shit on aos for.
>>96088734ironic you call him no games but try to claim heavy cav as "weak to shooting."
>>96088705fuck off, purist. Any WHFB model is pre-AoS.
this thread was fast for some reason
>>96088795Yeah, a unit of 10 WE bowman shooting SS arrows (so 20 shots) and hitting on 4s, wounding on 4s, is killing 2 on average.
One of the downsides of having a 5 man cav unit, even with a good 3+ armor save.
And that's against one unit of WE.
>>96088859>morghasts, mortarch mounts, stormfiends, skycuttermuch of end times was already AoS-ified
>>96082873they look fucking terrible in WH3, sorry but human factions in Warhammer should look grounded and realistic because that is 100x more interesting than world of warcraft slop design.
>>96088592The Lanterns are not AoS tier man. So you can believe in steamtanks but not balloons??? They might be a bit oversized but the concept of them is perfectly fine for fantasy and is a good flair for Cathay, its 100x better than the 8th slop of steampunk robot horses or other such bullshit.
The giant terracotta statue is a little AoSey however, but overall the cathay range looks fantastic and historically inspired.
Reminder you are arguing with perrynigger who doesn’t actually play this game and this doesn’t know anything about balance other than what he reads. Do not feed into it.
>>96088868How retarded are you to sit within short range (15inches) vs wood elves when that's within your change range of almost anyone? Why not use dwarf gunners who, assuming you're retarded (which you specifically are), are charging headfirst?
Waacfags are some of the dumbest fucks, propped up by op models and imbalances I swear
>>96088923Makes sense, the faggot usually has the best retarded takes.
>>96088951>15Meant 16
Also why not use ap-2 since we trying do hard to prove the edition of heavy cav n dragons is suddenly bad?
>>96088904crowmen and jade lions will round them out nicely I think
>>96088951Even at further range, you still get 1 kill from one barrage, which already destroys 20% of the unit. And I used them as an example of shooting with no AP modifiers (and also because my friend plays WE and blew my Chaos Knights of a similar size off the table with two units shooting like that yesterday lel).
Because yeah, you add in units with AP shooting and the math gets even worse for Cathay Lancers. They're quite underwhelming as far as cav go.
>>96088991You're still going to stomp the wood elves on the charge and redeem your points. Remember Cathay is 20ppm vs 13 minimum of the elf (with arrows) and will smash in melee and even the following up (which specially they always get to count as a charge)
Also why would you bring Cathay in 5 when they get always to fight in 2 ranks? Wouldn't 8 or 10 always be better?
These things like everything in that army are going to fuck except vs the perfect counter- hell even vs cav counter charge and 2 ranks should be about even if not better.
The shilling is fun for you I'm sure but sorry tounreyfag we ain't buying it.
>>96088885the skycutter wasn't from the end times
>>96089063With the stand a shoot, you're going to take out another 2 anon, leaving literally one horse left. Not going to decimate anything.
Also I forgot, but the hitting on 4s calculation already included the -1 for over half range actually, normally they hit on 3s and 2s (unit champ).
>>96089088>I included the math's>forgor multiple shot negativeStop lying so hard
>>96089088>Not going to decimate anything.If he kills one archer, he decimated them
>>96089094There's only one shot negative since you're not moving before shooting. Also
>Also why would you bring Cathay in 5 when they get always to fight in 2 ranks? You need to actually read the conversation because the discussion started over an image of an actual army with only 5 lancers in a unit.
Please read before you contribute, anon.
Watching retards try to squirm and pretend like warhammer is some realistic grounded game that just happens to include dwarfs and elves and shit is always hilarious. There were always types like that but it became 10 times worse after aos launched since people wanted to differentiate themselves bu claiming they were playing the gritty down to earth version of fantasy all along.
>>96089135some concepts make sense for some factions, others do not
you would not give a doom diver catapult to high elves
it's not a matter of realism
>>96089135female knights is where I draw the line
>>96089116You're the one fedending 5x units as std now anon, and no you didn't had them getting both half range and no multishot
They still lose om the charge and if they break the knights recover their points
This is best case where your woof elfs stand and never move and get no half range penalty.
The truth is they're pretty good but I know waacfaggots always gonna cry if their unit isn't THE op unit
>>96089167Fuck that was sent before editing
I concede for typing retarded but still no matter how hard you shill the community is going to call out the power creep Cathay has set now.
>>96089167Funnily enough I forgot the multishot penalty, but I did the math with the AP arrows which means that on average you're still killing 2 with only ten shots. Including a first round of shooting, a stand-and-shoot when charged, and the supporting hits back, you're actually gonna wipe the unit of 5 on average, since you take out 4 before they reach you and the last one is dispatched by your melee attacks back (only 1 wound on average but that's all you need).
>>96089135It's always been a bit of most, just terminally online secondaries struggle to understand what a sandbox really entails. You can have some light hearted stuff thats for fun, goofy stuff that's actually kind of horrifying like the pic, or stuff that's grim like chaos invasions.
>>96089181Also yeah, the Shungengen Lord, the Balloon, and the cannons are definitely OP, Cathay is too strong, but the cav is the worst thing you could point to. They're really just not good for their cost, even to fill out core.
>>96089218math i was 3 avg, with cathay winning on 1 (unit of 6 for eq pts with banner/champ) which makes it pretty even for a premier armor killing unit (glade guard) needing a 7 leadership test to not get run down.
it did worse vs thunderers, but much better vs human ranged options.
Do keep in mind these numbers go down if the knights say march past the arc of the bows causing them to move, Any movement forced really makes the knights go up in value. That still suggest they are damn good for their points. Remember too this is a unit that fills a "core" tax and that's before we include Miaos boosts or the winds boosting them etc
If you’re looking for realism there’s always George martins world
>>96089260he is never going to finish the books
>Captcha NNGRGgetting closer
>>96089135Warhammer is inherently silly and always had a lot of humour. AoS is unironically the more self serious setting despite being kind of retarded.
>>96089260Indeed. What is Asavar Kuls tax policy?
>>96088923>what he readsYou're overestimating me
>>96089260>female warriors >realistic I'll pass on GoT shit
>>96089326100% with no rebates
>>96088698A truly chew move. Considering what they're charging I really don't know why they never added him
I feel guilty assembling two of the models the same way in my 30 man block
Post your dudes!
>Do you come up with/establish a narrative for why you and you opponents are battling each other to make the game more fun and seem like more is at stake than just this battle?
>>96088190Huh, well I guess that explains why there is a European style tombstone iny Egyptian themed skeleton kits. I had been wondering about that.
What should I do with all my tombstones anyways? Pile them up on a base as an objective marker? Save them and paint runes on them for the dwarfs when I get back to them?
>>96089388paint them in alternating or slightly different paint schemes then
>>96088671 I really dislike the look of this model but after having to deal with multiple of the metal 7th edition ones I'd take the 8th edition kinder egg copter any day of the week.
At least this doesn't fall apart just by looking at it.
I have a good 60% of my dwarfs in metal but that's one model I;m glad we got in plastic.
Or I wish they had re-released the older versions, those were much more stable.
>>96089146absolutely. but how do balloons or big terracotta statues make no sense for fantasy china? It fits.
>>96089399They love anal sex and turn women into men
>fuck 40cuck
>fuck Slopmar
>fuck TOW
>fuck Cathay
Nuhammer slop is GAY
The problem of starting a new army is a real one. I find all the armies very interesting and tempting except for Cathay which I’m just kind of neutral on.
>>96089478True retvrn to 5th hammer
>>96089478fuck off perryfag
>>96089478Fucking BASED
>>96089399You're such a fag holy shit
>>96089489which army do you have already?
>>96089478Do you really have nothing better to do than spend your days talking about how much you don’t like something in a thread dedicated to discussing that thing. If you don’t like it don’t buy it and don’t engage. Go live your life, you’re free. GW doesn’t have to live in your head.
>>96089503>replying to yourselfYou are pathetic perrynigger.
>>96089503fuck off nerrynigger
>>96089507its perrynigger, he has nothing else to do. just reply fuck off and move on
>>96089504Bretonnia and Empire. Tempted by Orcs and Wood Elves the most probably.
>>96089554If you're more shooty empire, I recommend orcs. Otherwise WE are pretty distinct from those two and fun to play keep-away with.
>>96089554Wood elves work well in terms of geography and theme, but then again so do orcs. The latter would also make for a nice visual contrast to your factions. Both are good choices and I know this is not exactly helping.
>>96089570>>96089627Yes I run an empire gunline and I find myself running into the same problems trying to decide. And there’s voices in the back of my head saying high elves and chaos too. Like I said. It’s a big issue.
Huh, maybe the discord raids are real.
>>96089694Just report and move on.
I really really hope dogs of war aren’t just old kits and we get some generic plastic kits to make them a proper standalone army.
>>96089634If you are used to gunline funlines then orcs might be a bit better as wood elfs are very shooty
But then orcs are far less mobile
Also orcs get warmachines monsters and heavy infantry
>people calling me perrynigger
some of you faggots are so retarded that you can't fathom not everyone who likes WHF also likes TOW, sorry kiddos but modern GW are cucks and so are the modern iterations of their games. If you collect Cathay you are a literal slop consoomer
>Store finally stocks up on historical models
>its wargames atlantic slop and not victrix
Im never getting a husrcarl army now bwos
>>96089745Do you really? They're not gonna be kitbash-friendly, rather monopose CAD sculpted and sliced by a sadist.
>>96089770just order off their website or ebay, its not any more expensive. i get wanting to support a local store but if they dont have it, they dont have it. i see the huscarls on ebay right now for $40
>>96089778Sliced by a sadist is part and parcel of modern GW anything. The rest I am hopeful about because most new GW kits are really nice.
>>96089759>>96089800Insane that you keep replying to yourself and think it isn’t obvious lmao. You are truly pathetic.
>>96089778the new cathay stuff was pretty flexible. ball joint heads, flat joint arms, rider separate from the horses and longma. very kitbashable.
>>96088180>implying anyone in my group allows cathay or any AoSModels or nuArmies>>96088208this was updated
>>96089715Report for what, hurting your feelings? Making your pussy cramp?
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>>96089833meds now schizo
>>96089833Take your fucking meds retard
>>96089843Your group only engages in gay sex, nevermind playing games.
>>96089843>i refuse to play against you because i dont like your toysactual toddler behavior
>>96089857>>96089862>too stupid to realize how obvious he is Kek based sub 100 iq retard
>mfw literally everyone except me gets accused of being me
>>96089837That's good to hear because the sentinel sprue anon posted looked like it was made by people who hate games.
>>96089888>one anon posts with dark mode, screenshot from a computer >another posts in normal, screenshot from a phone>20 seconds apart>its le samefag perrynigger!!!!It must be pretty sad having some boogeyman live in your head rent free
>>96089916oh dont get me wrong, the sentinel was a god damn sadistic nightmare to put together crafted by satan himself. i've had easier times with master grade gunpla kits than i had with that god damn sentinel (looks sick when its finished though), but the rest of the cathay range has all been pretty modular and flexible as far as allowing customization or at least not getting in your way if you want to do arm or head swaps or rider swaps for the cav. plus the cannon kit comes with a couple different poses for the ogre and for each of the crew which is nice.
the biggest downside for me is that the jade warriors only have 5 poses. 5 bodies, 5 weapon arms. tons of heads though, but they are all pretty similar looking with the same helmets and tassles. its not quite as bad as the dwarf hammerers i was doing where they only had 2 bodies to choose from but coming from having just done kharadron and votann where the infantry had 10 unique bodies, flat joint arms, and ball join heads with like 20 heads per kit, multiple special weapons, and buckets of left over bits, i was a bit underwhelmed, but it was pretty par for the course or above average when compared to the whfb dwarfs sprues, so i guess its pretty good grading on a curve.
>>96089882seethe more siggy piggy
>>96089902you're the new Ben
>>96089977>throwing tanturm>calling namesdoes someone need a change? are you cranky cause you made a stinky in your diapy so now you're smearing shit on your keyboard and hitting post?
poor baby
>>96089882Its actually very based behaviour. Warhammer should be gatekept in the most extreme of fashions. Nuhammer fans should be used for live weapons testing
>>96090000are you from poland or finland?
>>96089992>a grown man typed this out and pressed Post
>>96088180My retard Bretonnian Exiles army could btfo this list. This is awful against anything that isn't big monster spam
>>96090000>waaaah waaaaaah me no like his toy waaaaaahsomebody get this kid a bottle
Do you think the average anon /here/ or ChatGPT would give better answers related to Warhammer: The Old World?
>>96090045Ask both the same question and compare replies
>>96090045ChatGPT is probably better on average, we're just here for the banter.
>>96089968True.
Then again I'm assembling my bestigors finally and I must say sometimes you don't need a billion poses to look cool. But generally I agree more flexibility js better I hated how nu gw would try and lock you into a stance with CAD bullshittery.
>>96089770Lucky, no one around me carries either.
>>96090045About rules? 50/50
About tactics? Yeah even us autistic retards tend to give somewhat decent advice. Chatgpt is more likely to pull outdated or AoS shit
>>96090055>>96090058>>96090068Fun idea
>Imagine you are playing Warhammer: The Old World and your matchup is Empire Grand Army into Cathay Grand Army. What kind of units, magic items, and spells (if you recommend taking any spellcasters) should I consider for the match up? What strategies do you recommend? Presume the rules are the most up to date and keep in mind the recent FAQ that brought large changes to the game, particularly related to infantry and casting. No cheating by using your own AI for your answer!
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>>96090089I'm going to bring my usual list and have fun because that's just how I play, with a focus on table of using my mass of infantry to get into melee before being shot to ribbons by artillery
>tabled by Cathay turn 2
>>96090059thats been really hit or miss for me, like, i got the full votann range last year which i would consider about as nuGW as it gets, and some of the kits were completely inflexible monopose jobs like the berserks, some were 50/50 like the hearthguard which were monopose but had multiple melee and gun arms per body and ball joint heads to change it up, and then the hearthkin warriors was as flexible as anything from the 00s like tac marines or cadians, 10 unique bodies and legs, flat joint arms with 2 main weapon choices, 4 different heavy weapons, 3 different sergeant melee and pistol loadouts, 2 different crests, optional medic, radar, and comms backpacks, and then a bunch of extra flavor bits like shovels and pickaxes, and then like 20 unhelmeted heads +10 helmet visors. insanely flexible.
so yeah idk, doesnt really seem to be a rhyme or reason to it, sometimes they are monopose bricks, and sometimes they're as customizable as they've ever been. my new black templar sword brethren and primaris crusaders were pretty flexible too, i built 20 of each without a single fully repeated model.
>>96090089Chatgpt 4-o response
https://chatgpt.com/share/6875628b-4ec0-8010-bc45-784a4248e78c
>>96090089Take whatever you think looks cool. Faggot.
>>96090121>>96090102Ok wise guys you broke the rules
>>96090122>>96090107Sovlful answers
>>96090133Was providing the robots answer for comparison, that was the point wasnt it?
>>96090133>Ok wise guys you broke the rulesI legit misread your post
>>96090122I really think the world would be a better place if chatgpt actually replied like this.
>>96090117I played guard and yeah we went from pretty fun mix and easy to customize to the CAD hellscape that is nu krieg. Let us pray GW sticks to annoying mould lines for ToW as the worst.
With the new FAQ rules could I have my spearmen have hand weapons and shields out when being attacked and then swap to spear and shield between combat rounds for the supporting attack?
Is "between combat rounds" meaning between each set of attacks or between each set of overall combats?
Anyone posted a sea wardens of cothique pdf?
>>96090338Each round of combat is like a turn of combat. They have to keep the same weapons for being attack and attacking (or vice versa if they go first). If it’s your turn or your opponents turn you choose which weapons you use and you are locked for those weapons until the next players turn if that makes sense. Not for the duration of both players turns but just one. But you can’t say use sword+shield when being charged and attacked first for the save and then switch to spears when it’s your turn to attack with the survivors.
>>96090285Krieg is better in plastic than forge world sloppa
>>96090417The Marshall has seperate 1/2 a boot that fit slotted in. Meanwhile
>bestigor- arms fit into axe and work with any body, each body 1 type, horns interchangeable.Can't wait to be let down by bestigors for a 3rd edition.
>>96090417You're the cad slop.
>>96090410Ok thanks anon, it sounded silly to be able to swap your weapons at near instant speed but wanted to be sure
>>96090338>Weapons are best if used in the exact opposite way to their real-life counterpartFantastic game
>>96090526For a 16.67% increased survival rate to be better than an extra rank of attacks when taking a charge the enemy would have to be throwing out like 30 attacks. I know you’re bad at math perrynigger but I would have hoped you had enough brainpower to even consider what you’re saying before saying it.
They just need to give infantry 2 fighting ranks again don't they
>>96090575Don't call me perrynigger, I am parrynigger.
>>96090620No I think that would be an over correction. Have you played many post errata games? I find if you’re playing with objectives then infantry is in a fantastic spot at the moment.
>>96090089>assuming I know shit about Empire>implying I don't practice Stillmania and keep my list exactly the same no matter whatPlebbest of plebs
>>96090641I've played 5 games it's just counter intuitive a but that the charger gets 1 rank but the defender gets 2, makes infantry with 1 attack much more defensive
I haven't played match play missions tho so maybe that changes it but for casual it makes anvil very anvil. I also dont think 2 ranks of infantry is thay bad but I'm sure shit like Blorcs breaks it.
>>96090633the real perrynigger would never support mathhammer list building posters
>>96090728>his army isn’t an ever-growing and evolving art-projectStillmania is based compared to metafaggery, but it’s not as based as building your army around that cool new thing you’ve just finished and want to show off to the lads.
>>96090809>ugh spears are worse than hand weapons when defend a charge >no they are not >shows math >ugh mathhammer Fucking retards unironically kill yourselves.
>>96090907At some point the collection has to end, unless you're the local madlad with 20k points of Greenskins or skeletons
>>96085254>Why you want a preyton so much? It doesn't seem very goodcheap-ish flying terror bomber with a special rule that let you start the chain reaction by merely winning combat against chaff, it can have some play
>>96087707>Placing bets now for the jade fleet being somehow more powerful than ulthuans and also ez pz dealing with black arcs and norsca with the power differential of thr modern US navy vs Somali piratesAnd the sailors are wholesome who establishes humanitarian camps along the coasts helping oppressed xirs and procelytes how dark elves are oppressed by their evil kind and their culture is merely misunderstood
>>96084097He can literally thank his own government for that.
>>96090526>>96090338HAHAHAHAH imagine still playing GW games in 2025. If you really suffer from sunk cost brand loyalty and let go of GW minis, okay I get it, but there is no excuse to use GWs proprietary rulesets which are horse shit. This is unexcusable
>>96090620That's basically what they did anon
>>96085254Why are you buying models based off of temporary rules that aren't even tied to the purchase of the model?
>>96091529 NTA but There is a part of the hobby called the table that's quite fun with other people, try it sometime. That said knowing GW might as well print or order a proxy and have fun instead of waiting for them to fix something.
Painted a Glade Guard today
Guy who posted about making farmland bases in the last thread. I went to hobby lobby and got some fun autumnal dry wheat and corn stalks, as well as some red and orange leaves/flock. But I also made the mistake of buying some hay bales, which I realized about half way home that my knights probably don't have combine harvesters. I'll return them tomorrow, but the other stuff looks pretty good.
Why in sigmars holy name is the fucking baloon unbreakable?
>>96091755The Great China does not fear the West
>>96091723>medieval knights >corn
>>96091429Why are you even here?
>>96091712Cute. I like the colour choices. You’re going for a fall themed army?
>>96091796Brettonia trades extensively with the Empire, and the Empire has colonies in the New World, so corn existing in Brettonia is very viable
>>96091820De facto yeah. I thought being all green and brown would be monotonous and I don't have that many other excuses to use my orange paint, so I figured using yellow/orange one them would look more distinct. Do you have any tips or anything else to say? Having this up-close picture makes some of the mistakes more blatant so I think I'll go ahead and fix those after I get a few more guards done today.
What seems more fun?
All cav Empire with tons of Demigryphs
Or
90% Minotaur Beastmen
>>96091830>corn could exist The Mayan/Aztec indigenous Central/South Americans in WHF are represented by Lizardmen, who are carnivorous, and therefore would not have spend the thousands of years of cultivation it took to develop modern maize/corn. Moron.
>>96091933Part of the great plan retard.
>>96091933This hobby has so many autists, I just can't
>>96091933There are humans and elves in Lustria, you cock-sucking Cro-Magnon
>>96091969Now you're grasping at straws
>>96091933> would not have had the 1000s of yearsThey were spawned by super advanced space aliens 1000s of years ago in the setting, and often cultivated things for the other races as it suited their masters. Corn existing in NotEurope by after thousands of years of elven trade and a few hundred human between the globe isn't exactly that hard to justfy.
Corn is a garbage crop used to make nutritionless slop. Potatoes and tomatoes were the only good thing that came from the new world.
>>96092131corn is by far the most efficient animal feed. you want cheap, plump cows and pigs? grow corn
>>96092131irrelevant, now post your dudes
>>96092143I apologize for my ignorant outburst. I just don't like corn.
>>96092167I forget how some people don't have corn culture.
Im starting to like this setting less and less the more I pop in these threads. M aybe ill just stick to 40k
>>96087340>>96087381>>96087397>>96087409I just realized they can't re-release the old Dogs of War miniatures because of the silly timeskip :(
Voland, Lorenzo Lupo and Ruglud and Vespero aren't born yet...
FUCK
they could come up with an old range to represent the actual army and not the Regiments of Renown but they've never done that before.
There is no "re-release of the old Dogs of War" in Old World.
It's either a new range or (more likely)
N O T H I N G
>>96091933You weren’t bullied enough growing up.
>>96092143No it's not, grass is you dumb fuck, and grass grazing was used for all of human history for cattle before the invention of disgusting industrial farming SLOP. Corn fed cows and chicken are FAR inferior in meat quality and have significantly more healthy problems than grass fed cows
>>96087548I will seethe a lot when that happens
Borgio the Besieger was a BLACK MAN
>This fucking corn talk
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't the most important food source for Skavenblight supposed to be black corn? Said to be a corrupted variant of a native crop of Tilea. So either it's native to the Old World or brought by ancient elves. Regardless it exists.
>>96092188You know, they could just rewrite it to suit the setting. GW aren’t slaves to a timeline they can and will retcon whatever they need to.
>>96092188Yeah I said that a few threads ago, at a minimum they'll have to make mew leaders for the ones that could stretch back to old world setting. Or new faction from the ground up which given DoW were mostly cheeseball shit I'd be ok with
>>96092263they can and will retcon stuff for stupid reasons, not to do interesting stuff
>>96092257You're a retard, "corn" refers to any cereal crop, only Americans think the plant called maize is corn.
I'll have a nice corn of rice and a corn of onions for dinner thank you
>>96092280Will you peddling bullshit? Corn/maize are interchangeable and I highly doubt thr writers meant the old English and they meant "black seed." A corn can be a grain, but corn the plant is in reference to maize.
What's worse? Greytide scum or WAACfags?
Black seed should be in the old world, it would do wonders for the diets of reiklanders and elf alike.
>>96092298Sorry but the lore wasn't written by amerimutts, corn doesn't refer to maize exclusively except in the US.
>>96092301They're literally the same person
>>96092301Assuming it's not the same guy
>greytideCan be a new player, a new army, possibly someone who's lazy. Generally while the games are not as appealing as they could they aren't actively aggravating. A curable condition.
>WAACfagSometimes painted (usually to a low std or commissioned. Will make every game either 1 sided affair, some combo, or rule lawyer you to death for an advantage. Also tends to counter you hard on "accident." Even nice WAACfags tend to be dismissive of your army choices when based on fluff or preference and they refuse to play down to your level. These people will become extremely defensive when you point it out and are hopeless in the shorterm if not forever.
>If I must pick I'll take a greytider assuming that's their only issue.
>>96092298Anon corn is used as a synonym for grains in the uk, although nowadays the american specific maize corn definition is being used more and more
>>96092317It doesn't make sense in British English either to call a plant seed either retard. Corns are part of a plant, not a species name. You're not clever, just stupid.
>>96092334Where the fuck do you keep getting seeds from ?
Somebody help me find the name of the six Baalrukh:
1 - Balgorg
2 - A-Angor
3 - Golgoth
4 - ...
5 - ...
6 - ...
remember that, of course, a Warhammer Baalrukh is the same thing as a Warhammer Balrog, just renamed to fit the setting
>>96092345The same part you are cutting out.
Now why would the brits call black corn when corn is usually used extremely generally?
It's pointless tho your just being a faggot because your cornless theory makes no sense in warhammer.
>>96092334No one mentioned seeds except you, dumb nigger
>>96092377You claimed black corn didn't count as evidence of corn in the new world. Go crashout elsewhere faggot.
>>96092385Black corn isn't maize (called "corn" in America), it's a fantasy cereal grain crop. Where are you getting the word "seed" from? Am I being tried it are you genuinely just stupid?
>>96092396Do you not even know the source of the word corn while shitting up a thread because you didn't like someone using corn for brettonia?
Anyways
>WS/BS3>counter charge but impetuous >ld6>light cav>5+ save>16pts base, +1 for vanguardBrace of pistols is something but seriously what the fuck were they thinking with this unit? Fast cav that yolos into combat with 2 st4 ap-1 attacks and light cav changes means they bounce off everything but ungor raiders. Also, impetuous being leadership based requires buying the champion now. Am I missing something or is this unit hot trash?
>>96092439Why is that horse running through crops of corn under the sun of corn
>>96088208Those are a thing in Total War they're just not here yet
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>>96091933>inb4 some retard brings up black corn"Corn" refers to any grain from wheat to rice, maize specifically is not found in the Old World in WFB if it even exists at all. Also, black corn is grown in disgusting marshes which sound much more like rice paddies than corn fields, so I've always imagined it as black/wild rice.
>>96092467The Asian Cultural Sensitivity Team worked for GW's ideation of Cathay, not Creative Assembly.
So CA can do masses of filthy peasant fodder in their vidya, and GW can not do masses of filthy peasant fodder in their tableslop
>>96092469You couldn't stop yourself just had to keep embarrassing yourself with this?
Sushi is a dish of raw fish served in a roll of steamed corn
>>96092484I'm not the anon who brought it up. Hope you learned something lil nigga
Alright, let us all agree to never discuss corn again.
>>96089146Yeah and terracotta golem guys make senses for the chingchong faction. Fuck, they're one of the only Cathay units that existed in the lore before TOW
>>96092479They will in the next wave or two of releases
Demons need to be the first legacy faction to come back
>>96091933Halflings are confirmed for having corndogs in their fluff, so corn has made it as far as the most.
>>96092512First, no source for this. Second, see
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>>96092524>replying to a reply to one of my posts is samefaggingThis nigga mentally ill or sum shit frfr no cap
>>96092532Fuck off perrynigger go make another diorama
>>96092524Ignore and report perryfag, it's the same shit he always does to derail threads.
>>96092224The used grass because grass grows in garbage land. Grazing land is used for grazing primarily because it's not good for anything else. Corn is highly efficient per acre in the process it grows.
>>96091866100% Minotaur beastmen.
If you take a caster you're a chump ass bitch
>>96092511Alright,
>*monkey paw curls*But it's all modern sculpts. No old classic daemonettes or horrors, and the soul grinder is still around.
>>96092556I mean we all know it's not going to be the good sculpts they bring back, if at all.
>>96092556I don’t really care, I just want an attempt at better rules
>>96082634 (OP)>TQWorking on WoC with the battalion box as a base. I am looking to fill it out with Marauders since Conan-esque meat shields sounds fun and thematic for Chaos.
>>96092493Let's talk about something less contentious, like whether 'Asian' can refer to people from South Asia.
Fuck Americans, honestly.
>>96092524Lol how many times in this thread are you going to be wrong
>>96093087He wasn't wrong.
>>96092551Why would you not take the lvl2 doomwizard, or lvl1 now, plus chaos armor? Seems pretty fun to me..imagine getting mantle of ghorok off on a dark maul doomie.
>>96093161Nevermind, chaos armor too much
Still other weapons and combos work great for a doombull wizard surely.
Horse is done. Rider is looking a bit pale though.
>>96088180>>96088195>>96088204>>96090033>So Cathay might be... slightly overtuned. You may have a full six non-character options currently, but they compensated for a lack of versatility with raw power. Many of your units and weapons are stuffed with high stats and rules for their points costs, such as a low cost magic item that give strikes first, Jade Warriors being Empire State Troops while having heavy armor, WS4 and unique rules, and Miao Ying only being 30 points more than Orion while being WAY better. You most certainly have "New Army Powercreep" syndrome, good luck finding anyone who will play with you or a tournament who won't ban you. Its possible to play sub-optimal armies, either by taking allies who kinda suck for thematic reasons, smaller units, or playing without a wizard since you only have two choices for one, but showing up with four or five Imperial Knight-sized minis and big blocks of infantry lead by someone who would have Sorcerer levels in D&D might lose you friends.>https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Warhammer/Old_World_Tactics/Grand_CathayCan you people please make up your fucking mind of whether or not Cathay is overpowered?
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>>96091202>At some point the collection has to endThe hell it does, I will end before my collection does
2bh there’s so many companies making so many different, wacky monsters you could combine kits and sculpt with GS forever and never build the same thing twice.
>finna build my 5th chaos lord and a warband to go with him, Tzeentch-flavoured this time
