*ruins fantasy*

It's okay, I'll just write my own fantasy in the style I want with the tropes I like.

>>96082802 (OP)
Who?

>>96082802 (OP)
Is Brandy Sandy responsible for you never playing games?

>>96082802 (OP)
Neither is he that influential nor is he worse than most other fantasy autors. He is just one of many slop authors, and he just happened to get lucky enough to make a living.
The fantasy genre has been overrun with slop since at least the 70s if not earlier.

I have several friends who are obsessed with this guy's books, but I tried reading one--I think it was Elantris--and I didn't care for his prose so I dropped it. I gather his other books have a detailed magic system that RPG players could get really into, but in my view an interesting idea can only rarely make up for uninteresting prose.

>>96082802 (OP)
isnt this a literature specific issue or are you referencing some table top game?

>>96082802 (OP)
oh it's ruined alright, fuck all to do with brandon though.

>>96082802 (OP)
What did the Mormon nerd ruin exactly?

>>96083069
he made the publishing industry into a place more nepotistic and chauvinistic then it was under men.

I wrote a book. Anyone want to read it? 126,000 words.

>>96083110
The overwhelming majority of modern published authors are women. Women are also the target audience.

>>96083134
what's it about,
give me a prose sample now.

>>96083154
Yes, and it's also extremely biased against men.

>>96082917
>other books have a detailed magic system
They all have their own unique systems yes, and he's setting it up for most of them to be cross compatible. You can already see in his mistborn series that the two magic systems introduced have different interactions, and his Mary sue character that has appeared in every single series has accumulated a bunch of different powersets

>>96083110
What are you talking about dude? Fantasy "literature" right now is literally just endless literal who authors shitting out multi-part go nowhere romance series that idiot women eat up. If you go into any bookstore it's just endless shelves of garbage that sells like crazy because it's trendy. Men don't even read books anymore, the audience is easily over 90% female.

>>96083157
I actually wrote three, all stand-alone, all the same size. Do you want:
>Familiar: The Missing Mage
Little dragon hunts down his missing master.

>Divinity
A cleric with no powers stops a zombie apocalypse.

>The Fabric Stone
Magic in the mortal world comes back in our time after being dormant and mortals hate it.

>>96083186
which of these is your favourite?

>>96082802 (OP)
>Writes books I don't read
>Read hundreds of books I do like isntead
>As we experience the greatest explosion of the things I enjoy in the history of the world
>And nothing about some of it being things I don't enjoy bothers me at all

>>96083228
Let's see if this is big enough to read...

>>96083177
>Men don't even read books anymore, the audience is easily over 90% female
that's because they were push out of the industry and the most publication focus on topics that are overwhelmingly the interest of women

>magic isn’t magic if it lacks wonder
>magic isn’t magic if it lacks mystery
>magic isn’t magic if it’s just science
>magic isn’t magic if everyone gets it

Do humans even know what magic is anymore

>>96083367
Magic is either “idk” or “wow”. The former indeed draws from mystery and ignorance, and the latter draws from wonder and enchantment, leading to the other, and vice versa.

>>96083367
>>96083397
Magic is “magic”. It’s a stamp.

>>96082802 (OP)
publishing houses run by women, publishing books by women to be read by women while the remaining male authors all have to toe the line with mandatory inclusive and diverse content. Pretty sure Sanderson, whether you like him or not, is not at fault for the almost total subversion of this and every other genre.

>Make a nogames thread about some guy's fantasy stories
>Retards start reeeing about women
At least try to pretend you care about tabletop games in some way.

>>96083668
They can't just can't help themselves

>>96083177
This is why I switched to writing toxic erotica. If I'm going to pander to the female audience then I'll do it in a way that amuses me. Because I know there will be at least one of those bean flicking degenerates who will get driven down into the most horrid shit through me.

>>96083668
there you go https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brotherwise/the-stormlight-archive-rpg, we're TG now

>>96083258
>long ago

>>96083668
I only ever cared about CthulhuTech and Riddle of Steel, one turned out to be shit and the other one is haunting a graveyard.

>>96083258
You could do your words better. A lot of this could be cleaned up. Kinda reads like stream of consciousness.

>>96083780
Yeah, it really feels like that.

>>96083769
Did the guys that developed the system ever released the setting agnostic, or at least non-sotrmlight, version of the system they said they would?

>>96083367
By this logic, magic of older fiction never existed

>>96083794
Tell us about those games. Maybe some anons can help you find some new games to care about.

>>96083831
Nah, I learned my lesson.

>>96082802 (OP)
That's not a picture of JK Rowling.

>>96082879
>>96082968
>>96083668
So if I told a story about my experience with tabletop, that would be off-topic?

Anything but discussion of rules and the lore of traditional games is off-topic in your eyes? If anyone shares a personal anecdote or an experience illustrating their point, the post and the whole discussion suddenly becomes off-topic?

I only need a yes or no answer.

>>96083034
Fantasy media is dead as long as it caters to women.

>>96083034
>Give fantasy novels romance novel covers.
>Write articles about men not reading despite sales of WH40k books showing they're desperate for material.

>>96083177
Because the entire publishing industry was poisoned by nepotistic women. Good luck publishing anything if it’s not a worthless self help book or porn for women

>>96083668
I miss the Robotech Palladium Games days.

>>96083334
This. It's a space marines issue. The publishing industry decided mostly women buy books so now they only publish books for women.

If men don't read, then why does GW keep the Black Library going? Why hasn't Baen Books shut down as an imprint?

>>96083863
This. These days the entire genre may as well be those shitty old Fabio romance novels, but Fabio has elf ears or some shit.

>>96083258
>The villagers of Herrin slept in shifts under dark clouds. The few travellers of recent days passed rumors of barbarians raiding nearby hamlets; rapricious tales of child abduction and wanton slaughter. These days are long and dreary, the nights filled with shadows cast by the mountains under the moonlight.
The folk of Herrin coped by holding their festivals and celebrated whatever they could. It worked. Until the food ran out.
"Fresh apples, fresh lemons!" a scrawny merchant cried out that night. A woodsman stopped his cart. "Fresh apples? You gave me a wormy one yesterday." Stem's hunched body trembled under the cold glare of the hungry woodsman's eyes. "Of course they're fresh. Though perhaps maybe I could give you some tonight at half-prices as restitution?"

>>96083890
Because 40k has always had a healthy community of homo men who like it.

>>96082802 (OP)
Most of his books used to be readable garbage that guys could read to simmer down their thinking. Rhythm of war legitimately feels like torture designed by the cia to make men kill themselves. The entire book is retards fingering their assholes finding ways to do nothing while the author writes slop on the tier of “she glorbled the zigzaboo while winding the bibbieibibbidi to evilize the zigbar”. His writing is for book tic tockers and autists who have conveniently never read a competently written book in their lives

>>96083547
And then on the flipside you get Baen after Jim Baen's death where they've only been publishing John Ringo's nepofriends who are all MAGAs with Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

I miss the 80s where you could go to the supermarket, pick up a book based on which had the coolest Michael Whelan cover, and get a storty written by an associate English professor about a thinly veiled insert rescuing his girlfriend from elves and befriending a dragon.

>>96083940
The 80s must have fucking sucked for lit.

>>96083879
I just wish there was another alternate system for RIFTS besides Savage Worlds. RIFTS is the worst iteration of the Palladium system but Savage Worlds is a square peg in a round hole.

>>96083811
The stormlight specific one isn't even publicly out yet for a few weeks, but from the sound of it the mistborn specific one is on its way for next year.

>>96083953
Literature is for pussies. Real men read 220 page direct to paperback novels written by industrial engineers for beer money.

>>96083819
???

>>96083857
Dude, retards are whining about women and literature in this thread. Pretty much anything that has to do with tabletop games would be more on topic than the /r9k/ cock gargling that is this thread. Go ahead and talk about your experiences with tabletop if you really had any.

>>96083258
Clean up some of those unnecessary words. I know it's fun, but you don't need be verbose. Also, anything you could say in a prologue could just be rewritten as a first chapter. Prologues are often dead weight.

>>96083780
>>96083797
>>96083892
>>96084068

I'm not gonna give excuses, I know it's rough. Still, I'm proud I got three of them done, took a minute. I might keep writing, I might not, I'm more interested in TTRPGs now anyway. Still, from time to time a little writing is good for the brain.

>>96084093
To Write one good book you have to write alot of bad books.

Is magic still magic if it’s overly systemic and taken for granted?

At what point is magic no longer magic?

>>96084146
Well, magic is either Magic™, or “magic”, lol.

>>96084146
Considering IRL religions and occultism, yes it still is.

>>96084146
I guess magic is magic when it still deals with the metaphysical.
Like something breaking what would in our world be breaking the known laws of physics and the like.
Of course, that's a meta definition, in-fiction, if it's perfectly systematized and mostly understood, that's pretty much just another form of science.
I do think that systematized magic can still be magic if it's at the level of real world alchemy of the 15 hundreds, where practitioners know enough to generate certain effects using the system, but don't know enough to have an accurate model of what the fuck is actually happening including all the side effects and such and the underpinnings are mostly philosophical, ritualistic, and there's a lot of mysticism around it, in adition to being metaphysical to the real world, something like that.

Magic systems are stupid. SOOO stupid. Magic isn’t a good label AT ALL since it’s a game of punking.

> Label [insert weird energy capable of doing anything here] Magic™
> Some [insert weird energy capable of doing anything, and more, here] shows up suddenly

So like, do we not call the clearly more magical thing magic? Clearly the Magic™ title belongs to the more magical thing…

But of course faggots WANT their special thing to be called Magic™, or MagicK, or whatever, like how Catholics insisted their magic be named miracles, not magic.

Oh god, decided to look up a book I liked...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1137995.The_Gryphon_King

>I know this book was written in the 1980s but characterization of POCs like this is unacceptable in 2022!

Goodreads needs the option to filter out "women" reviewers.

>>96084182
Reminds me of how in the old days people would take their stories and scratch out "magic" and write in "ESP" so they could sell it to sci-fi magazines.

>>96084036
People aren't really whining about women, they're whining about publishers pandering to women to the extent nothing is being written for men and then going "Men don't read!"

>>96084175
Not all religions treat their rites as magic, thoughbeit. Modern day science is also a collection of evolved ideas that were once thought of as magical… and it seems that the occult, be it hocus pocus or wacky cutting edge science, is a form of cope in private, since open academia is essentially a disenchantment narrative, similar to how the Catholic Church was essentially a self hating, self prosecuting mages guild by any other name, and the priests and bishops who attempted magic did so in private behind closed doors. The ironies of their rites being indistinguishable from folk magic was an accepted irony. Unironic magic wasn’t done openly the way ironic magic was.

>>96084189
People who want that filter are likely too stupid to read most of the books on the site.

>>96084216
>there are still male feminists in 2025.
Its like he walked out of a time capsule from 2016.

>>96084198
Yeah but you have people on this board convinced that their thing is truly unique and it blows my mind. People will take a thread to bump limit arguing over whether miracles are distinct from magic.

It is brain rot. It is a religious hangover. I double dare you to go into >>96063050 and see how long you last before you’re looking for eye bleach.

Although >>96081713 sums the thread up quite nicely.

>>96084257
>what game?
>fuck off wonderfag
>you don’t play games
>stinky pepperoni fart jpg
>how does this relate to games?
Oh. That guy. We ignore him.

>>96084254
Get back into your stupid capsule, retard.

>>96084181
>I guess magic is magic when it still deals with the metaphysical.
But is magic still magic to metaphysical beings?

>>96084093
It wasn't criticism, some authors are wordy, China Melville takes three pages to describe a lamp post. Is that hyperbole, yes, but it describes my point well without going purple. If you want purple, do it once or twice a few pages as personal treat.
>>96084123
Yes but also no. A good writer often has a lot of work that's just never published. Cutting your teeth on shit you think sucks and never sees the light of day is common. Then you write something after all that unpublished toil and it's good. Style is important, style can break the rules. It can even shit talk the rules. Because the rules are often times only assumed. For example, Cormac McCarthy hated the semicolon. The guy thought his peers who used it were faggots and that sentiment led to many in his shadow doing the same. It was part of his style, but became a thing that in its own way, contributed to why you rarely see it these days.

Magic is like vampires, it doesn't exist so it can be whatever.

>>96082917
I have a similar friend who rants about the Malazan books.

>>96083811
>setting agnostic, non-sotrmlight, version of the system
It will be called Plotweaver RPG.

>>96082802 (OP)
A single one of his books was bigger than Fahrenheit 451, Brave new world and 1984 put together; and it was part of a series of equally big books, how does it happen? Anime style filler?

>>96082917
To be fair, Elantris is his first published book, and while it has the bones of his more developed style, he learned a lot writing Mistborn and has taken what he's learned and put it into Stormlight Archive, which is now on a 10 year hiatus while he writes at least 6 more full length books (a trilogy sequel to Elantris and a new trilogy of Mistborn books that moves from the industrial era to what's essentially 80s tech) in addition to his side projects.

>>96083034
Nobody actually reads this drivel, though. Most of those books end up getting donated to schools and public libraries.

>>96084948
He does write the books like an anime episode, but it's because there's usually like 4+ PoV charactes or so, intermission chapters about randos and world hoppers the average reader won't know because they don't live on the wiki, and an amount of world building exposition that scares off most people trying to get into the series.

>>96083940

Christopher Rucchio's stuff has been excellent at least but I think he's parted company with Baen.

>>96083196
>Yes it is.
Even if were correct, which it can't be because definitions for common language are descriptive, needing any analysis at all removes it from "common sense".

>You hate materialism.
No, I hate totalizing midwits insisting that there is no possible hypothetical where materialism is false because they insist on bloating it to include the exact things it disproved.

>By way of causal logic, they can only work because of intelligences reinforcing them
Not inside the boundaries of the counterfactual which declares it to be so.

>Pliny
Not a Medieval Christian, not a resident of Golarion, not relevant.

>Unintelligent nature/causality would not evolve to such a point where it entertains things like human art forms like religious ritual or blood sacrifice.
Why is it logically impossible with different laws of nature?

>The formation of such infrastructure still implies intelligence nonetheless
According to your refusal to actually address the hypothetical by insisting on considering the author.

>Some things can’t be formed by the universe alone.
OUR universe. Why can NO POSSIBLE universe have it?

>Are you?
The fine-tuning problem is the matter of assuming that the variables of the laws of physics were not inevitable, creating a problem as humans require a very specific set.

>It considers conservation of mass
A function outputting more mass than its input is not logically invalid.

>Intelligence doesn’t require consciousness. :^)
I am declaring that for the purpose of this argument that "intelligence" is an emergent property requiring consciousness. The use of any other will be taken as a refusal to address the point.

>>96083205
Is it a distinct category of action only I can do? The label is valid both ways if it is.

>>96083232
>Because mathematical odds alone can only do so much without intelligence as one of its variables.
Not if you assume intelligence is emergent, per the vast majority of neuroscience.

>>96083294
>Magic is nothing else to a physicist.
According to a totalizing midwit who cannot engage with any conditional hypothetical using any meaning of a word other than his totalized reductions far beyond absurdity.

>>96083501
>What if there’s a species or society of robot that’s so rational it literally cannot consider anything magic.
Then they cannot be using English where there exist particular meanings of the word.

>>96084115
>I wonder who shat on his magic system so hard he refuses to acknowledge that other takes exist.
Again, I gave two takes. I am saying that the take it is a subjective not-thing always able to be argued not applicable to any particular case is non-functional for game rules, and thus inapplicable to /tg/.

>>96083397
>Magic is either “idk” or “wow”.
Or "The rites of Mesopotamian astrologer-priests" or "supernatural effects generated by rituals" or "the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand". The noun definitions persist no matter how hard you insist upon the adjective.

>>96084146
>Is magic still magic if it’s overly systemic and taken for granted?
Of course, at worst it means you have a jargon meaning of the word.

>At what point is magic no longer magic?
As long as you don't blindly insist upon the adjective "magical" that is synoymous with "wondrous", there is no such point as there are many definitions referring to particular, albeit nonexistent, phenomena.

>>96084182
>Magic systems are stupid. SOOO stupid. Magic isn’t a good label AT ALL since it’s a game of punking.
According to specific sociology jargon and one adjective meaning. According to those doing the "punking", they have concrete criteria they are arguing about. That you from your high horse of modern thought insist these criteria CAN'T be concrete because they were proven false centuries after the fact has no bearing on the counterfactual where the criteria are true.

>>96082802 (OP)
... ok?
No clue who that even is and how it is supposed to affect my ongoing Outgunned campaign. Did he affect your own campaing in some specific way or what?

>>96084257
>Yeah but you have people on this board convinced that their thing is truly unique and it blows my mind.
No, we merely insist that they be distinguishable so they can actually be discussed instead of suffering a totalizing midwit's misappropriation of jargon and reduction beyond comprehension of historic use.

>People will take a thread to bump limit arguing over whether miracles are distinct from magic.
They are internally to the worldview that made the distinction, and insisting upon using other worldviews to argue otherwise is simply refusing to address the point.

>>96084325
It is on /tg/ in a thread specifically asking about "in your game". The reduction making game rules unmanageable is in fact a valid counter-argument.

>>96084353
>But is magic still magic to metaphysical beings?
As they are beings with fundamental qualitative differences such that they qualify as "metaphysical", it's a perfectly valid scenario.

>>96082917
I tried with Way of Kings myself because my sister was shilling it religiously. The prose didn't bother me so much as the story structure and characters. Dalinar and Adolin were decent. Kaladin was okayish, but I didn't care for how the parallel flashback narrative was meshed in. And Shallan+Jasnah were just insufferable. Way, way too many instances of:
>Kaladin is about to do something
>Chapter ends on cliffhanger
>Next chapter it cuts away to another fucking flashback of him being a whiny kid or, god help me, motherfucking Shallan
I didn't particularly care for the interludes either, since they mostly felt like an excuse for spewing out excess worldbuilding he had backed up in the corner of his mind. What I'll grant him is that I was pretty consistently motivated to turn the page and find out what happens next, despite overall not liking it. That wasn't enough to motivate me to pick up the next book, even if my sister assured me "Well Shallan gets a lot better".

>>96083110
>Nigga doesn't know that romantasy sells better than every other genre of fantasy and sci-fi put together
>And the second next thing is YA novels, that also outsell everything else put together below it
>And after that, the third spot is genre classics that are 50+ yo, ALSO outselling any categories below them taken together
Way to expose yourself as a clueless faggot

>>96084961
They are read, just not kept.
They are fantasy porn for women, and just as disposable.

>>96084146
>Is magic still magic if it’s overly systemic and taken for granted?
Yes.
>When it becomes the same as real life laws of nature.

>>96084353
Yes if they constantly interact with non-metaphysical beings.

>>96085740
>>96085766
Stop being off-topic we're discussing Brandon Sanderson. You're thread is still up.

>>96084146
Magic is always magic.
>Guy flicked his fingers in a specific way and a flame sprouted
>OH WOW, TRVE SOVL, MUCH MYSTERY!
>Guy flicked his fingers in a specific way and a flame sprouted, for this is a described and well-known phenomena in-universe
>HURRR WHAT A GOYSLOP DRIVEL, FANTASY RUINED FOREVER DURRR!

>>96085921
Blame >>96083413

>>96084093
Someone asked you to post a sample. Is what you've written something you want people to read? If so, you need to do a lot of work. If not, don't bring it up.
>>96084948
Yes it's anime filler. People would rather eat garbage than the Eucharist.

The last good fantasy novel I read was pic related and i think it was because it's historical fantasy that barely touched any proper fantasy elements. "gonna make my own Florence so I don't have to follow real events". Maybe that's all I wanted from fantasy: Fake history of familiar but unreal places.

>>96085943
Man I remember reading windup girl like 15 years ago and forgot about Paolo because he started writing YA. I'll check this out.

>>96082802 (OP)
He doesn't write fantasy, he writes autism-fi

>>96085943
Chances are you're already aware of Guy Gavriel Kay but if not then history with a twist is his thing.

>>96083334
>>96083547
>>96083871
>>96084212
... you know you can read old books right? Noone took them away, and if you started reading right now you'd die before you got through even half of them.
You've read lord of the rings and the hobbit and the silmarillion?
You've read all the best of lovecraft? Of conan?
You've read the 20+ books in the diskworld series?
Elric?
You've read all seven books about fafhrd and the gray mouser?
Game of thrones is still a huge thing, did you read through that?
How about classics? Illiad? Oddesy? Beowulf? Faerie queene?
Poetry? Do you know what makes a sword vorpal?

If men arent reading lets not pretend its an industry's fault for not pandering to us. We (you) arent reading because you choose not to. Not everything is a live service, you're just hypnotized by a consumeristic need for novelty

>>96083154
This is not because men don't read. Men don't read because for a span of about 20 years the big publishing houses made a deliberate push to give non-male authors more attention Sanderson didn't do this, rather, he was the last white man who was allowed to be a big shot, a bunch of authors who would have otherwise been big were simply choked out because the communist retards who ran all of the events and the publishing houses refused to platform them.

They aren't subtle about this being their explicit intention, btw. They're very proud of it and openly mock people who don't like it. This is why fantasy literature is a totally stale ghetto now, it's deliberately curated top-down to crush any success that isn't transgender womynqueer faggaloo shit. The pressure building up in the cooker is probably directly contributory to the political shift happening among men in presently. It's going to go down in history as one of the largest own goals in the history of western civilization.

If you want to know what this looks like if it continues unabated, go check out Korean Gacha fandoms.

>>96086105
I've read a decent enough chunk of old sci-fi/fantasy and the majority of what you've mentioned. Feeling somewhat aggrieved at publishing's current state where every other group IS being pandered to the exclusion of one group in particular is a legitimate response. Yes, there's still stuff to find but there's nothing particularly justifiable or progressive about how gleefully and vindictively an entire genre has been gutted.

>>96083811
It'll prob be a few years before they do that. The full system isn't even out yet and post-release their priority will be releasing adventures and setting books.

>>96082917
>RPG players
Not really. The magic systems are too simple and dumbed down to really be interesting.

>>96085795
For me it's the dialogue. Everyone sounds like a fucking robot. It's weird because the original draft WoK was based off wasn't as bad (even shinri/shallan was more tolerable), so I'm not sure what happened in the interim.
In fact that early version was generally better overall IMO. The pacing, the characterization, fucking Taln. Only the rape and christcuck masturbation let it down from being good, but it was still an improvement over the molasses-ly slow final version.

>>96083367
>Do humans even know what magic is anymore
I have a degree in cultural anthropology so I've got plenty of opinions on that but the bath is getting cold so I'll just say that most /tg/ nerds have a thing they want and will just say whatever they think will justify it in the most authoritative tone they can because despite being a place for people to talk about imagination gamed we sure hate people imagining wrong.

>>96086105
>nooooo you can't be upset!!!
>just read old books!
>there's nothing going on!
>it's all inside your own head!
You people are so predictable and exhausting.
Why is it such a bad thing to have a new male author writing new stories for male readers?

>>96082802 (OP)
>DM said our next campaign is gonna be in this guy's very own system
What should i expect?

>>96086308
concentrated reddit

>>96086308
Investiture and gayness.

>>96086308
quips

>>96086308
Trauma.
The only way you can use magic in his setting is by having a tragic and sad backstory.

>>96086308
The beta made it feel like a pretty decent d20 system even if it's a chimera of mechanics from a bunch of different shit. Decently crunchy, PC competency not reliant much on gear, some narrative support, fairly quick but tactical combat, good if fluffy expertise system, fairly weird setting starting out. The starter adventure released with the beta ruleset was honestly really good.

One thing to manage about your expectations is you can't start out as a mage or anything. Everyone's mundane at level 1 and access to magic is level 2 at the earliest and either requires a bunch of roleplay to earn it or pre-planning with the GM to lock in your pick ahead of time. I'd personally say roll with it and let the GM decide what you get based on RP.

>>96083866
If men reads 40k novels I’m afraid it’s over. They should be reading literary fiction, not juvenile fiction.

>>96086351
>says the man posting on a website made by a manchild for manchildren.

>>96086363
One can be a manchild and well read.

>>96082802 (OP)
Incorrect, that's not Greenwood or the Hickmans.

>>96086105
When a society becomes hopelessly nostalgic and unable to produce new works of quality, it is dying. It is not written in the stars that Tolkien and Howard and Hodgeson be the last great fantasy authors. There is nothing today which ought to make it materially impossible to write works of equivalent quality--Tolkien was a once in a century author? Okay, but it's now been a fucking century. We're due for another one. We're not going to get it, because communist retards don't WANT another Tolkien.

It's not just that they also want to see something else, they specifically PREVENT things from being published or promoted that do not fit with their deranged view of the world.

>>96086351
Literary fiction for men isn't coming out. It isn't allowed to come out, it isn't promoted, it never gets large publishing runs.

People will read what is available that appeals to them, or they will not read. The idea that you can force people to read what you want by just refusing to publish anything else is what has made 40k lit so popular, because you can't stop them from publishing that, so it's the only thing left.

>>96086351
this. romantasy novels and 40k novels are two sides of the same coin. it's not a new thing either. 99% of genre fiction is slop and always has been. there's a reason people used to be embarrassed about reading it

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>>96086404
>Literary fiction for men isn't coming out. It isn't allowed to come out, it isn't promoted, it never gets large publishing runs.
It definitely is. Pynchon is coming out with a new novel this October. Cormac McCarthys release of Stella Maris and the Passenger had a ton of buzz for them back when they dropped. You just don’t read much anon.
>>96086406
And a lot of the people who whine about the lack of modern fantasy for men usually don’t bother to read the actual progenitors like the Iliad and Odyssey, Beowulf or mythology in general despite the fact that a lot of fantasy authors from the past devoured mythology with glee.

>>96086424
>Corncob
What an odd soul he was
Good writer tho

>>96086183
>>96086307
See thats the thing. Lets take you at your word, why arent men writing these books you want to see published? Why cant one indie publisher just dominate an entire market segment? It doesnt even take that, you can just go to a self-punlishing place right now and get any shit bound into a book for dollars per copy.


Theres no global conspiracy to supress masculine pop-fantasy books- even trying would be an impossible fool's errand. Really all this shows is how totally out of touch you are with print media. Which, again, you can self-publish online in minutes.

If this stupid bullshit were true you'd be listing indie cult classics rejected by big publishers instead of asserting that literally none have been written anywhere on earth

>>96085914
But it’s not magical to the metaphysical beings. It’s the equivalent of us playing with ants. It’s only metaphysical, magical, to us, our own senses.

>>96085927
Magic is only always magic if you see the brain chemistry, the exposure logic, the “wow, idk how that happened” factor, as eternal. There’s always going to be something that amazes you. Amazement, enchantment, is magic. Wonder and mystery reinforce it. Same with fear and horror. The unknown is overwhelming.

>>96083334
Bro do men do anything but bitch and complain

>>96086606
A lot of the culture war bullshit is just people wanting to get mad over shit, looking at what their favourite influencers on youtube and twitter are saying and just regurgitate their talking points without doing any research or being able to argument for their stance beyond “they just don’t make it and if you prove otherwise it doesn’t count”.

>>96086605
Okay but people want there to be some glowing blue goo that’s explicitly named Magic™.

>>96086596
>But it’s not magical to the metaphysical beings.
According to your hyperfixation on the adjective. The very long list of noun meanings of the word are covered in objective criteria that merely lack an extant member, which a counterfactual can rectify.

>It’s only metaphysical, magical, to us, our own senses.
It's perfectly valid for them to look upon the qualitative divide from the other side and agree they are "metaphysical".

You keep assuming specific meanings of words to the exclusion of far more common usage required for incredibly commonplace genre conceits to function, and as definitions describe common usage this makes you wrong. I don't care about what scientists say a word means when I'm talking about Elfgame, they can have their meaning in their field, I'm holding onto the vernacular so that I can play a fucking game.

>>96086649
Face it anon, you and people like >>96086619 can’t accept that something can be seen as non-magical. You’re religiously minded, wanting something to be special no matter what.

If it exists, it can hypothetically be deconstructed to the point where it’s no longer magic. Even the concept of magic itself can be reconstructed into its bare essences. Mystery and wonder and horror and the unknown.

>>96086478
You are are a sniveling and groveling worm of a man. You can't deny anything we have said and instead screech about conspiracies no one has brought up.

>>96086682
Okay, but why do you care so much? Why do you have to be such a raging faggot about what you acknowledge is an opinion?

>>96086478
>Theres no global conspiracy to supress masculine pop-fantasy books

the major publishing houses are more and more female dominated and this has had an undeniable effect on what's being pushed and promoted. You're correct in that there's nothing conspiratorial about it.

>>96086690
Because it’s funny to me that someone can be this unaware.

>magic is whatever the fuck
>no magic can be other things too
>that’s what I just said
>no you didn’t
>you’re retarded
>you don’t play games

I am talking to a literal autistic person with Asperger’s or something. My nephew has Asperger’s and he’s not this stupid.

Imagine arguing against something you actually agree with without realizing it.

>>96086682
>Face it anon, you and people like >>96086619 can’t accept that something can be seen as non-magical.
No, what I'm refusing to accept is that "magic" must be a subjective adjective with absolutely no possibility of use as an objective noun.

>If it exists, it can hypothetically be deconstructed to the point where it’s no longer magic.
According to the adjective that is synonymous with "Wondrous", but this is wholly irrelevant to "the rites of Mesopotamian astrologer-priests".

>>96086753
We do in fact disagree with you because the difference between semantic ambiguity distinguished by context and reduction to a subjective non-thing is irreconcilable. The plurality of meanings must be preserved to discuss the nuances separating different interpretations.

>>96086753
Frankly, you just seem like a loser who cares about being recognized as some kind of genius instead of someone who enjoys his personal interest enough to try and connect it to the board's overall subject, traditional games. And that's why I consider you a raging faggot, cause I don't care enough about magic to question what it is or isn't. You're an annoying spamming loser, though.

>>96082802 (OP)
Wrong. He is the only one keeping any sort of male centric fantasy alive in the space at the moment. The rest is just werewolf fucking smut for women.

>>96086797
>No, what I'm refusing to accept is that "magic" must be a subjective adjective with absolutely no possibility of use as an objective noun.
You can use it objectively, but the problem is that others won’t. Definitions, or the meanings behind them, are only so objective depending on the social environ. If you go ahead and call some glowing blue goop magic, objectively, it’s still not safe from some alien looking at it and going “nah, it’s not magic, there’s a glowing green thing on my home world that does a lot more—and we don’t see that as magic either”.

>>96086816
I’m the raging faggot? Not the one who isn’t consciously aware of his argument? Lol.

>>96086828
Yes, you're the raging faggot. Glad we agree on this.

>>96086737
Its not conspiratorial because its so ridiculously blatant. Its just become standard practice in western media to remove as much male centric media as possible so why bother hiding it?

>>96086823
>You can use it objectively, but the problem is that others won’t.
The others are, in-context, simply wrong.

>Definitions, or the meanings behind them, are only so objective depending on the social environ.
Which importantly includes the context of the conversation, something that permits far more than enough ability to specify to support particular meanings of "magic" to the exclusion of your deconstruction to a non-thing.

>it’s still not safe from some alien looking at it and going “nah, it’s not magic, there’s a glowing green thing on my home world that does a lot more—and we don’t see that as magic either”.
Then the alien is mistranslating, and thus wrong.

can you magic cunts fuck off someplace else?

>>96086843
>The others are, in-context, simply wrong.
See, you want magic to always be magic then. You want it to be a part of physics without it being a part of physics. That’s impossible.

>>96086843
>Then the alien is mistranslating, and thus wrong.
“The physicist is wrong. That fire is not fire, but magic fire!”
“Fire is fire is fire”
“No!”

Please stop talking.

>>96086687
>>96086690
Ah. Low effort trolling

>>96086737
Only one publishing house of any size needs to accept these hypothetical hit books to be commercially acceptable. Your theory fails non-exclusivity.

Instead, try "men arent reading and discussing (and therefore buying) these books enough to make them profitable"

>>96086890
>See, you want magic to always be magic then.
If a particular thing being able to objectively match one of many definitions counts, I suppose so. But do not take this as a concession, your semantic argument remains a malformed abuse of jargon and rendered fundamentally unsound by insisting on prescriptive definitions.

>You want it to be a part of physics without it being a part of physics. That’s impossible.
According to your backtest-failing reduction of "physics". To my understanding of the word that recognizes the work needed to make the modern world instead of shitting on the giants who's shoulders we stand on for being less-right, it's trivial because "physics" is a limited scope with logically valid even if non-extant outgroups.

>>96086930
The point is that the alien is insisting that the locals are wrong about what their own words mean. You're projecting your worldview as immutable into a wide variety of constructions specifically declaring premises inaccurate, and just ignoring the contradictions this creates.

>>96086951
>According to your backtest-failing reduction of "physics"
There is no reduction. Physics is the largest science. If encapsulates everything. Only hypothetical higher physics, or metaphysics, would be bigger than it.

>>96086931
Low-effort brain activity

>>96086963
You made a paradox. You said the aliens know everything and then you suddenly said they don’t know everything.

You’re assuming magic, or something within our three dimensions, is somehow distinct or separate from physics, or three dimensions, causality, etc.

That makes no sense. You’re making no sense.

>>96086951
Just going to beat it into your head some more:
— ‘Physics is often called the "everything" science because it explores the fundamental laws and principles that govern the universe, from the smallest subatomic particles to the largest structures like galaxies. It provides the foundational framework upon which other sciences, like chemistry, biology, and even aspects of social science, are built. In essence, other sciences are often seen as "applied physics" because their principles can be traced back to the underlying laws of physics.’

But you respond with retarded shit like the following:
— "Often called/seen as" does not mean "is", nor does it make it identical to those other "sub"-fields

You don’t know what physics is. You’ve a critical, vital misunderstanding of it.

>>96086308
Pathfinder 2e but everyone is multiclassing, a feat every level, and a lot of build options built into generalized mechanics you always have access to.
In setting magic options are varieties of warlock/paladins where your patron-familiar is also your oath, and artificer trapping spirits for magitech, but the mundane paths are going to have all the mechanical min-maxing to them

>>96086931
Anon, profits are not the motivator. A simple look at adjacent industries and their massive failures with zero course corrections shows that money is not a motivator for certain people in these positions. They literally burned a free money machine (starwars) down to the ground doing it.
You keep claiming "conspiracy" but you cant deny that publishers have almost exclusively published female oriented fantasy books. You can't deny that male fantasy authors are not as published as the used to be. You can't deny that men are not the target demographic now. All you can do is cry "conspiracy!" in a vain attempt to discredit.

>>96086931
ignoring 50% of the planet as a market sounds like an odd business strategy, particularly given the disproportionate efforts made to engage vanishingly small, albeit vocal, minority groups. If men aren't reading and buying books, then what, a business just accepts this? If that's the case then that's strange, but I've a suspicion that for some this constitutes some kind of victory.

>>96087001
He doesn’t even understand that physics isn’t even a sub field. It’s the net that contains the sub fields. He thinks science is cut into categories like a pie or something.

>>96082802 (OP)
Novels are just something of a dead medium outside of BookTok smut. While I don't particularly care for his worldbuilding approach, and other people do systematized magic better, it's a stretch to blame him.

He's just Mormon Jim Butcher, and got in as novelist in the last generation where you could actually make a living from novels that aren't porn for femgooners.

>>96086398
This is the truth of it, the root of the problem. The publishing industry is so top-down and nepotistic that anything it does allow through should be viewed with a wary eye.

>>96087022
>They literally burned a free money machine (starwars) down to the ground doing it.
Disney Star Wars wasn’t a failure, Rise of Skywalker made a billion dollars and all three movies are in the top 40 highest grossing movies of all time, the Force Awakens is the 10th highest grossing movie of all time WITH INFLATION TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, Rise of Skywalker outgrossef Attack of the Clones and all of the original trilogy except A New Hope WITH INFLATION ACCOUNTED and The Last Jedi outgrossed all the movies except for Force Awakens, A New Hope and the Phantom Menace, again… WITH INFLATION ACCOUNTED. I know manchildrens obsessions with these shitty space wizard movies for children (they all suck except the first two and like some of the video games) is a massive part of the culture war and the narrative is that they’re “a deliberate failure to kill the west” or whatever but they’re not failures. Disney Star Wars was profitable, it’s a success. Maybe start watching good movies instead of children’s movies?

>>96086968
The point is that there is no "hypothetical", it was the blunt expectation for several centuries that there were unobservable supernatural causes, long before any conception of dimensionality you use to cop out of it.

>>96086975
...This is a response to a different scenario from days ago!

>>96087001
No, it is you who has the critical misunderstanding of refusing to address any counterfactual where the historic contention is accurate, because you cannot wrap your head around any other worldview being even hypothetically valid in a radically different reality.

>>96087024
>He thinks science is cut into categories like a pie or something.
No, I think that the hierarchy exists for good reasons, like the bottom being horribly computationally infeasible for literally any practical case and there being gaps in some rather basic things making it genuinely impossible to apply lower-order functions to higher-order cases.

>>96086183
Wimmin be reading genre fiction. The men that used to just aren't.

>>96082802 (OP)
>supposedly the most popular and influential fantasy author ever
>never had a nerd friend who read any of his books
there's something astroturfed about this, like he 's a very public person, but I don't know that he appeals to what most of the fantasy reading audience wants. Autistic magic systems doesn't exactly scream mystery and magical. I think his reputation might be working against him honestly.

>>96087102
It’s actually because of the big movement of anti-intellectualism currently ongoing where reading is considered “unmanly sissy shit”.

>>96083258
Are you a member of the writing group in the /tg/ writing general?

>>96087141
That didn't stop sissy nerds 20 years ago. It's not a good explanation for why the people that used to read Salvatore's drowslop or SW EU novels aren't anymore.

>>96087141
>It’s actually because of the big movement of anti-intellectualism currently ongoing where reading is considered “unmanly sissy shit”.
Maybe you should stop writing about unmanly sissy shit then, faggot.
No one says that about Conan, Sharpe, the Edge Chronicles, ect, ect.

But the reality is that that currently every book has to make its way through at least 3 unmarried, shrewish cat-women in order to get mainstream publishing.
The kind of women for whom having a lesbian romance in every story is mandatory as having words and sentences.

You want young men to read? Start publishing shit they want to read. You never hear people bitch about Baen books do you?

>>96087123
>most of the fantasy reading audience wants
Getting boned by werewolves, vampires, and dragons.

>>96087182
>You never hear people bitch about Baen books do you?
Because nobody without an AARP membership reads them. Plus, most of them suck. You've got David Drake (RIP) and a bunch of hacks.

>>96082802 (OP)
Cosmere RPG is fun thobeight

>>96087141
>anti-intellectualism
Smart people aren't reading the sissy slop.

>>96086605
>Translation: I have no fucking clue what the fuck I'm even talking about, I'm just trying to be contrarian

>>96087199
Lost Fleet is better than Hammers Slammers.
Fite me, fuckboy.

>>96087184
unironically yes, and then on top of the woman audience sales, the conversion rate of nerd boyfriend who doesn't read books but gets talked into buying romantasy by their gfs is high, it's a crazy force multiplier of book sales.

>>96083866
This is because they don't WANT you to read 40K novels, they want men to read Serious Stories about tortured gay artists and black women struggling with discrimination.
They know what men want, and they don't want men to want that.

>>96087222
Smart people also aren’t reading 40k novels and pulp fantasy.

>>96087259
>they want men to read Serious Stories about tortured gay artists and black women struggling with discrimination.
There are a shitton of novels currently being published that aren’t like this, including serious adult literary fiction. At this point it’s increasingly obvious that culture warriors don’t read much, have an obsession with children’s media and just want a narrative they can latch on to so they can get angry online. Literally the SJWs of our time lmao.

>>96087146
No, haven't joined it yet.

>>96087288
Go on, name notable non-woke novels that were published in the last year.

>>96087200
This

>>96087091
>Disney Star Wars was profitable, it’s a success.
Holy shit

>>96087288
>both sides equally acshually
Nah and tiresome

>>96087251
I'm being unironic; that's what people that buy novels want. What you're describing fits an older couple I play D&D with to a tee.

It's not even new. Anne Rice and Charlaine Harris wrote stuff that was interesting even outside their primary audience of women that goon to the idea of getting boned by vampire Chads.

>>96087307
Well yeah. Nerds might be the most woke demographic outside of homosexuals. I thought you were trying to own libs, not just describe reality.

>>96087259
You do realize that BL slop is written by lifelong Labor voters that hate right wingers like (You), right?

>>96087091
No it wasn't. The Star Wars license sold for 1.5 billion dollars and each film then cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. This is not even going into the disaster that was Galaxy's Edge and every other attempt at tie-ins, all of which sold like a lead balloon. A massive multimedia empire, investments in the billions of dollars, for what? Some movies that were all outsold by marvel slop which they paid the same amount for.

If you were right, we'd have more movies. Obviously Disney itself doesn't share your opinion on their multi-billion dollar franchise which they've quietly farmed out to shitty miniseries. They're not making any more big Star Wars movies because they don't think they'll sell. They blew a billion and a half dollars making movies that lowered the perceived quality of their own brand and barely made their money back after they crashed and burned multiple multimedia tie-ins that all ate shit.

Even the prequels had a bigger cultural footprint, every good Star Wars video game came out during the Prequel era.

>>96087374
No, they’re literally the same shit. Wanting to get outraged over shit and whining. You got retards talking about “the death of western culture” and their idea of western culture is Star Wars and wojaks. Shits embarrassing.

>>96087404
And Starship Troopers the movie was made by some Polderkraut fag who thought he was drilling Fascists. Instead he unironically created the best propaganda piece for Space Fascism ever produced.

Same premise, the spirit of satire died with the development of Post-Irony.

>>96087431
Nah. You just want people to accept cuckoldry. Won't happen. If that's your goal then just give it up now, you've already lost.

>>96087458
>You just want people to accept cuckoldry.
I literally don’t think about deranged sexual fetishes like this anon-kun.

>>96084961
You're delusional. These books sell like crazy.

>>96087424
They literally made 12 billion from Star Wars anon. Disney made their money back and made bank.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1744489/000095015724000366/defa14a.htm

>>96087091
Go to your nearest Lego store and see what Star Wars Legos are on the shelves. Few of them are from Disney's era of production.
>>96087424
The only thing I remember regularly from the ST is "They fly now," and, "Somehow Palpatine returned."

>>96087091
>Disney Star Wars wasn’t a failure, Rise of Skywalker made a billion dollars and all three movies are in the top 40 highest grossing movies of all time,
it is Hollywood, heads rolled when the second Avengers movie didn't do twice the amount of money of the first

>>96087523
It’s not about what’s more memorable or what people buy based on nostalgia. I don’t like the Disney movies, they suck ass but they made a shitton of money, Disney made profits from this shit. People watch and enjoy those shitty Star Wars tv shows (including boomers like my parents). Disliking them for legitimate reasons is fine, you should criticise them, but pretending that they flopped and that Disney lost money on them because some youtuber or twitter influencer said so and it fits the narrative is retarded.

>>96083034
come home, White man.

>>96087580
already read it.

>>96086294
>cultural anthropology
what kind of jobs does that get you

>>96087631
Something like Sales Targeting Analyst making $70-80k. Maybe a jump to law school, since this is the kind of thing people with random BA's do. Not quite White Minimum Wage of $100k, but if he as a spouse making an addition 60-70k, he's in that Respectable White Person level.

>>96086160
>go check out Korean Gacha fandoms
you mean the guys that witch hunt people on unsubstantiated claims? what do they have to do with anything

>>96087022
>>96087023
Except that doesnt matter because you only need one person (who does care about money and owns a printing press) to capture the entire hypothetical "man market" and in doing so produce the books

Theres a printing shop in nearly every suburb of every city on earth. Call it 10 per city with 10k cities. 100,000 printers and not a single one of them wants money OR likes man fantasy?

>>96082802 (OP)
Explain how he's done more damage to the fantasy genre more than GRRM.

>>96087929
And with ebooks, the cost of distribution is basically 0. Instead, the best they can do is Fat Forney's """memoirs""" of totally being a Chad in the Philippines.

>>96086105
>You've read lord of the rings and the hobbit and the silmarillion?
yes
>You've read all the best of lovecraft? Of conan? Elric? fafhrd and the gray mouser?
not interested in sword and sorcery one bit
>You've read the 20+ books in the diskworld series?
yes
>Game of thrones is still a huge thing, did you read through that?
yes
>How about classics? Illiad? Oddesy? Beowulf? Faerie queene?
you forgot the nibelungen and other norse myth. yes
>Poetry? Do you know what makes a sword vorpal?
no and i won't
the problem with old books is there comes a time you need new books

>>96087444
comparison doesn't work because starship troopers was created with a message in mind whereas warhammer was created to sell toys

>>96087444
To be fair, the movie doesn't even depict space fascism. It depicts a libertarian utopia in Hugo Boss uniforms. Using Paul Verhoeven's own definition of Fascism in his E! interview during the press junket for the movie: "Totalitarian Dictatorship that is really military focused"

>Totalitarian
The Mormon settlers are allowed to act outside of government oversight.
Civilians can be independently wealthy enough to take vacations all the way to other arms of the galaxy.
>Dictatorship
When the franchise has to be earned, you're going to be damn well sure people are going to make sure it matters.
>Fetishizes the Military
It's a fucking war movie, but we see that for rich families citizenship is a social blight.
Military service isn't just voluntary, if you are not currently deployed on mission you can bug out without even a hint of social stigma.

>>96086682
Is he religiously minded, or do you just lack the capability to imagine something that can't be deconstructed

>>96086363
Moot prime was like 15 when he made 4chan

>>96086398
>completely ignoring authors like Le Guin, Pratchett, Wolfe, et al
Just because gamer autists can't move past Tolkien doesn't mean that there are no more great fantasy authors

>>96088059
Wanting something there dimensional human science cannot piece is fine, but that’s different from assuming there’s no background to something.

>>96083780
>In a distant land

How is romantasy more indulgent and less quality than dnd heroic last stand and blowing horns fantasy shit? They're just differenet subgenres. You're just contrarian sad fucks.

>>96087224
No. He is 100% correct. You’re just mad about it for some reason. You’ll call him a fedora fag or something, assuming he hates religion when he doesn’t.

>>96088172
>Just because gamer autists can't move past Tolkien doesn't mean that there are no more great fantasy authors
It was caused by genre fiction + small reference polls.

>>96088196
You're talking in circles, trying to justify an inaccurate definition of the word magic.

>>96087091
Ah so you're so retarded that you have no concept of brand recognition. The sequel movies made money through sheer force of brand name and in the process completely destroyed it. Now Star Wars has been reduced to streaming slop that nobody watches with no feature film in sight. Like the other anon said, not even the prequels fucked up this hard and in fact brought about a massive boom to the franchise with merch and media built around the new setting. Where the fuck is any of that for the sequels?

>>96088574
>Where the fuck is any of that for the sequels?
It's being sold in stores, streamed online, and so on, just like you said

>>96088207
What is magic to you? Go ahead. Say it.

>>96088172
"just because you can't move past the bible"

Pratchett made a fantasy setting meant for books. Tolkien made a setting that translated into the foundation of near everything, you contrarian faggot. The fact we're at the point where people are trying to downplay or deconstruct Tolkien is proof the tourists have taken over the tent.

>>96087493
First of all, how does mickey's cock taste anon?
Second, they bought star wars for a fucking pittance of what it was worth as an IP and it was always going to make money but they have left a lot of it on the fucking table.

>>96088700
>Tolkien made a setting that translated into the foundation of near everything, you contrarian faggot. The fact we're at the point where people are trying to downplay or deconstruct Tolkien is proof the tourists have taken over the tent.
People don't copy Gandalf, the copy merlin who Gandalf is a copy of.
And he isn't even the most influential copy.
People just have small reference polls.

>>96088631
Please name a successful sequel era based star wars piece of content anon.

>>96086972
Good job finding yourself.

Why are people pretending that Tolkien did not have a magic system when he had?

>>96088700
Tolkien made a fantasy setting meant for books.

>>96085795
I really enjoyed Way of Kings but the sequels got worse for each book so I haven't read the latest one in the series yet. I might do it at some point but my hopes for the series overall are not very high. If you didn't enjoy the first book there is no reason to keep reading because that's the best one. At least he writes a lot so it wont end in a GRRM situation.

>>96088737
By sales metrics? Almost all of them. By your mobile goal posts?

>>96087948
I've yet to be convinced that 90% of the mudcore BrOSR fags aren't just redditors who were really into GoT when it was big and are now bitter that "realistic" fantasy didn't become the big new trend, like capeshit and YA dystopian novels.

>>96088686
I've already said it a few times, please read the thread retard.

>>96088773
Please name one anon.

>>96086931
You are trying to reason with retards who very likely don't do much reading and have little to no understanding of fantasy. There probably lots of books by men that are not "made for only women" but because they don't fit some stupid right wing view of what fantasy should be (which a lot older stories probably don't fit) they think there is some plot to destroy fantasy or something.

>>96088741
Good job talking in the second person

>>96088901
No u.

>>96087493
In the same time frame of between 1998 and 2012 Star wars made $10.343 billion in box office revenue, $29.057 billion in merchandise sales, $4.01 billion in video game sales, and $1.82 billion in book sales. I know you're a money illiterate Disney shill but 12 billion is pocket change to what Star wars SHOULD be racking in. George nearly made all of what disney made just by making the movies.

>>96087580
I read a bunch of First Law books and didn't like how mudcore they were.

I'll just re-read David Gemmell or David Eddings again (even though reading David Eddings is a re-read any time except the first time).

>>96087487
You may be surprised how often book sales are manipulated. It's not uncommon for publishers to purchase their own product, for example. Established authors are also known to frequently buy the first several thousand copies, as well.

Any author can technically become a "best seller" by preorder numbers alone too. Many of the organizations which track sales, including the NYT best sellers list, include preorders in their data. Except those preorders are canceled before any books are ever shipped.

>>96087200
Anyone interesting in discussing the Cosmere RPG? The digital version for backers drops in 9 days.

>>96089537
If it's so easy to manipulate, why don't your guys do it?

>>96090261
Oh shit really? I got the big cosmere bundle. Im honestly more hyped for mistborn.

>>96090388
I got the collector tier, which comes with everything. I might print extras of the minis before the ones they send me arrive, since I'm also getting the STLs for said minis.
It's too bad the Mistborn books aren't coming out until next year. I wonder what era the adventure books will take place in, considering the Stormlight setting specifically takes place between the third and fourth book.

>>96090298
That's the point, anon. Everyone does it.

>>96087580
This had a much stronger Pratchett vibe than the rest of Abercrombie work. I liked it.

>>96090506
>>96090388
Any chance you kind of anons will post the PDFs and Foundry modules in the share thread when the day comes?

>>96090261
That's why I'm here

>>96090506
It'll have rules for Eras 1 and 2, and the premade adventure is apparently running through both of them somehow

>>96083334
Nah you're a fuckin fag idiot.

Men are just too stupid to read now. Think of your first favourite books, were they fresh creations from up and comers, or were they the fucking Lord of the Rings? They were LOTR. Generations of men today could start there too, if they had any interest at all in reading.

But they don't. They are interested in videogames, porn and social media.

>>96090684
>Men are just too stupid to read now.
Seethe.

>>96090740
He's absolutely right. The audience that used to exist for broslop pulp fantasy just doesn't read anymore. They watch tv, play vidya, and listen to podcasts.

They don't read books anymore. We've seen this bifurcation in other areas too. The more a profession involves reading, the more liberal it becomes. Reading the news (i.e from the WSJ or NYT) is liberal coded, watching it is right coded.

>>96090861
>the WSJ
ironic given its historically conservative leanings.

>>96090861
Delusional and pathetic. Your hatred for men, I mean.

>>96090684
>Men are just too stupid to read now.
Guess we should just get back to raping women and biding their feet, then.

>>96090607
If someone doesn't, I probably will

>>96090861
>Shonen Jump is liberal coded
Don't they have a comic about killing and eating immigrants because that's all foreigners are good for?

>>96090261
I played the starting adventure and had a great time. I played an Unkalaki who was a fifth son (and thus expendable) that had spent some time in the Reshi Isles to pick up that culture. In that time he had befriended a Herdazian traveler in the same region (another PC) and we both made our way to the Shattered Plains for different reasons. I'll skip on the details, but lots of fun was had by all, even with half the party not having read any of the books, because the system/setting itself is inherently pretty fun.

A funny little tidbit I'll mention is one player who had zero exposure to Cosmere accidentally ended up recreating one of the main characters from the books using the Bridge Slave background, except with like twice the amount of suffering and contrition to the point that those of us who were familiar with the novels started referring to the PC as "Punished Kaladin"

>>96090956
Men are so stupid now they are raping themselves and biding their own feet.

>>96091037
Cool it with the racism, anon.

>>96090607
There's no way it's not going to all end up on the internet. The question is if they're going to put something in the files to make them traceable back to whoever leaked them.
>>96091023
That's pretty great.

>>96090902
I agree. It underscores how reading for pleasure and information has become partisan-coded in a way it wasn't in the very recent past.

>>96091054
It's been a while since I've played so I'm forgetting the finer details, but it's a fun mashup of a bunch of different systems. It mixes "crunchy" dice with some more "fluffy/narrative" mechanics that reminded me of genesys games, in particular the class progression trees reminded me heavily of Star Wars FFG.

Whether you like it or not, I appreciate that it isn't just a DnD heartbreaker or lazy reskin of another system. They took time and effort into making Cosmere RPG it's own unique thing.

>>96091118
Oh yeah, also feel free to ask me any questions you want about the game/our session. I'm too lazy to do a full storytime in the final hours of a bait thread, but I'll gladly respond to questions.

>>96090861
>why don't they make books for men?
>men just don't read anymore. You conspiracy theorist chud!
>why don't they make games for men?
>men just don't play games anymore! You conspiracy theorist chud!
>why don't they make movies for men?
>men just don't watch movies anymore! You conspiracy theorist chud!
Yawn. Same ol song and dance every time.

>>96090967
Old Shonen Jump was pulp but in manga format. Detective stories, martial arts, nekketsu, etc. It was a nerd space. They also had stories for females obviously, which is where stuff like Sailor Moon comes from.

Modern Shonen Jump is basically cuck protagonist getting emasculated and femdomed. Which as caused a massive drop in their sales.

>>96091200
>>men just don't read anymore. You conspiracy theorist chud!
Show me the readership. Baen exists. Cirsova exists. They're niche at best because, as much as right wing nerds bleat about a dearth of things targeted to them - they don't show up and buy them.

>>96091275
Thanks for not actually answering my question, NPC-kun. Grok has more self-awareness than you.

>>96091275
???
Sailor Moon was published in Nakayoshi.

Print it you cowards.

>>96091280
>heheheh let me point to obvious niche pulp books which would have been niche pulp books back in the day to prove my point.
Again. You literally can't deny that big publisher have made the shift to women.
All you can do is bleet conspiracy.

>>96091382
There's no conspiracy. Women buy things, and can get their boyfriends to buy copies of A Court of Werewolf Gangbangs. You don't. It's not rocket science.

>>96091136
How do you feel about the initiative system? As it stands, turn order is loosey-goosey with each player deciding the order in which they want to take their turns and have the ability to change whether they're going fast or slow at the last second. The only time player order is somewhat random is when players can;'t agree on an order, in which case it goes speed stat and then a d20 roll on ties.
Also, every round is fast players > fast enemies > slow players > slow enemies; the enemies never go first, even when they surprise the party, instead they just lose a starting action and can't make a reaction that round.
Ignoring special abilities that mess with these basic rules, it seems like players have a heavy advantage.

>>96091443
This works with movies because the BF can atleast expect a handy by the end of the night but i have no idea where your getting this "gfs will pressure there bfs to read monster gooning books" from. Its just not a thing that happens from my experience. At most the bf will play along with her monster rape fantasy so he can fuck her ass occasionally.

>>96091443
>There's no conspiracy
Good I'm glad you admitted it finally.
>Women buy things, and can get their boyfriends to buy copies of A Court of Werewolf Gangbangs. You don't. It's not rocket science
I buy things that are marketed to me. It's not rocket science anon.

>>96091285
Oh, right. Forgive me, here's an answer to your level: Shonen Jump was a based sigmapilled conservative trumpchad MAGA magazine, libtards BTFO, Obama BTFO, woke destroyed. Rest assured my fellow MIGA kekistanii that they were ONE OF US

>>96091287
Apparently, you'right. I guess since she always appeared in cameos in Hunter x Hunter I assumed it was published in the WSJ.

>>96091567
>Oh, right. Forgive me, here's an answer to your level: Shonen Jump was a based sigmapilled conservative trumpchad MAGA magazine, libtards BTFO, Obama BTFO, woke destroyed. Rest assured my fellow MIGA kekistanii that they were ONE OF US
So the ACTUAL answer is you were talking out of your ass and have zero idea of what you're talking about. Why even mention Weekly Shonen Jump if you don't actually know the content of the material you're trying to claim in your heckin wholesome chungus ideological crusade?

>>96091443
it's fair to say a monumental effort has been expended into getting females to buy into traditionally male dominated spheres so it's a little bit strange that the publishing industry in general seems content to not be bothered chasing after male customers.

>>96091567
It was neither anon. Japan just aren't fucking retarded and wont let ideologues take over large parts of their industries. They are just pure capitalists and Shonen jump as a company just release shit that people want to read. If something comes out people don't like they throw it in the bin and let someone else have a shot. Its why manga even today has probably the healthiest broad appeal of media in the world right now.

>>96091509
>As it stands, turn order is loosey-goosey with each player deciding the order in which they want to take their turns and have the ability to change whether they're going fast or slow at the last second.
I honestly don't mind this. It reminds me a bit of Sword World where the players all take their turn simultaneously and then the enemy part does the same. Rarely did that level of freedom slow down combat and it also allowed us to do some fun combos occasionally where a certain player would act first and other PCs would react to the advantages they created. Honestly I much prefer that over DnD because it feels more like you're working as team as opposed to just trying to maximize your DnD rotation every time the Initiative Stack lands on you.

>>96088773
>>96088853
Still waiting anon.

>>96091581
The obvious answer is anon meant the Wall Street Journal
Considering the original was NYT(New York Times) and WSJ

It’s a shocking demonstration of the concept that you didn’t have enough brainpower to research this.

>>96091280
Men literally moved on to manga, light novels, and web novels. There’s a reason Asian countries are beating every form of media the Western Mainstream offers. Hell they are even stealing female readers from the western novel industry.

>>96091834
And yet he went on to double down on the liberalism of shonen jump, meaning either he's a fraud or you're guntguarding a retard.

>>96091617
What I was trying to say, more or less. It was a nerd space for nerds. Lately it has turned shitty but is still above trash in the west which is a low bar.

>>96091581
My fellow MIGAbro... Are you betraying me now? Kekistan needs you.

>>96091890
I have no idea what either of these replies have to do with Cosmere RPG, so I'm forced to assume you're a histrionic nogames only posting on /tg/ to participate in culture war cringe.

>>96091581
Wait, you thought I was talking about Weekly Shonen Jump? I was talking about the Wall Street Journal.

>>96091834
I didn't respond because it seemed like a non-sequitur where he clicked reply to the wrong anon. I think some of the confusion is that he doesn't realize he's replying to two different people.

>>96088028
>and other norse myth. yes
Lmao, Beowulf is anglosaxon you retarded larper
>i read the entire book but somehow didnt read the preface that its an 11th century english work masquerading as an older scandinavian song
Go actually read a book instead of crying on the internet

>>96092116
non arguments

>>96082877
Brandon Sanderson.
He is a writer of fantasy novels. He just keeps pumping them out and they keep selling while /lit/ fags keep seething about it instead of just not reading his work.

>>96092705
Honestly based
I would love to have a few penny dreadfuls in circulation
I have released a number of techno tracks on vinyl tho

>Saves fantasy

Just read Abercrombie or Moorcock and stop reading Brandenslop.

>>96083258
Pretty neat; where can I read the rest?

I would like to point out that while some claim men aren't reading and writing fantasy books on the shelf at Barnes & Noble, they sure as hell are writing and reading the Amazon only self insert fantasy books where the loser MC with a dead end life is suddenly thrust into extraordinary circumstances and close proximity with a handful of attractive womanoids and fucks them all on his way to saving the day.

>>96082802 (OP)
How did he affect your last game then? Be detailed and specific

>>96082861
/thread
OP proven gay faggot once again :))

>>96091875
I’m not responsible for the idiocy of others.

>>96082802 (OP)
OP you could be reading good fantasy but you're not. You're the guy who thinks music is ruined by the latest pop trend. As if nothing like it came before, and nothing would come if it were not the popular thing, and nothing will replace it when it fades.

You could be reading good fantasy. You don't.

Me, I'm binging everything adrian tchaikovsky has written which I didn't know included fantasy at first and also didn't know was like 40+ books of extremely different themes and genres, but a lot of the fantasy is good and unique if you're not afraid of spiders.

>>96091871
Then why is the Western fandom of Eastern media liberal coded? You'd potentially find a greater proportion of Republican voters at an interior decorator convention than an anime con.

>>96093176
>why is the Western fandom of Eastern media liberal coded?
it isn't, most of the things on anime and manga are considered problematic by the liberal types

>>96093236
>the strawman in my head doesn't match reality
>reality must be incorrect

>>96093176
don't try to move the goal post
the point is that man moved to manga, light novels, and web novels because those are the types of media that are producing works that appeal to male interests and targeting male demographies

>>96093244
>make up some BS
>claim that BS is reality when it got called out

>>96093275
>calling out making shit up
>by repeating memes someone else made up
Not even that anon, you're both retarded. All media is 'liberal' coded because your retarded definition of liberal is everything outside of your comfort zone.

>>96093311
>your retarded definition
what strawman definition are you assuming I have ?

>>96093176
>hundreds of isekai/reincarnation stories filled with slavery, harems, and male power fantasy made to appeal to depressed men that want an escapist fantasy not grounded in reality are “liberal coded”
You must be high on some shit.

I like the wheel of time.

>>96082802 (OP)
Sorry, OP here, posted the wrong image.

>>96093435
Sincere question, why people aways blame Tolkien instead of genre fiction purists? The same people that ruined fantasy, are of the same kind that ruined other genres such as science fiction.

>>96087387
>incoherent cope
Lol, piss off and stop pretending feminized garbage isn't invasive

>Never game tourists

>>96092705
Sounds like an inspiration. Not stopping when you have so many people who hate you.

>>96093821
Didn't work for GRRM.

>>96087259
Why don't you write some of what you want, then? What's stopping you? If there were such a demand, why isn't there any supply?
Just wait till you find out that men also enjoy seeing life from perspectives which are not like their own - which is the ultimate core feature of fantasy, just for the record.

>>96093452
Because the intellectually deficient like having an individual icon to cry about. They need someone to blame instead of something.

>>96083258
This is one of the worst opening sentences I've ever read.

>>96084927
I hate Malazan so much. Every character is the same stoic tough-guy devoid of personality.

>>96093938
There are others, four actually, quirky author self insert, sarcastic human, depresso elf, and meatfuck

>>96087091
Such a resounding success they canceled all the side movie projects after Solo bombed and Rise had the lowest earnings of all mainstream Star Wars movies? And they reworked movies into terrible series after Mandalorian season 1 proved to be a success, the one series they had a hands-off approach to the point they didn't have ay baby Yoda merchandise ready for the holiday season? And now they mass produce stupidly expensive shows that are all canceled after one season?
Regardless of your opinion the "space wizard movies" were money printers before the sequel era. Now they're money sinks. Each Acolyte episode cost twice as much as Godzilla Minus One, with nothing to show for it.

>>96093236
And yet, anime fans are a very liberal group. The "tranime" moniker didn't arise from nowhere.

>>96092989
You are when you champion and advocate it.

>>96094045
>anime fans are a very liberal group
Then why are there so many articles about the "right wing extremist/chud problem in anime"?
>The "tranime" moniker didn't arise from nowhere.
Neither did the "anime nazis" moniker

>>96082802 (OP)
I fucking despise his books myself, because I see them as cheap, normie-ized fantasy sloppa. Basically just tropes strung together, he doesn't really have anything to say, it's just turn-your-brain off sloppa distillation.
On the other hand, I accept that, hey, some people really do just like consuming garbage. What's the problem? They're happy, Sanderson's happy, why can't I be happy or just choose to not give a shit?
Ultimately, it's just because the man's an annoying asshole. It bothers me how rich he's gotten peddling trash, and how smug and self-assured he is while he does it.

>>96093236
I guess thats why i constantly see libs sperging out about Freiren and Dandadan then. If by lib coded you mean filled with hoodweebs shitting up every discourse to talk about aura farming then i guess you are correct.

>>96093968
The anon has been shown to be a retard from so many angles already. This >>96087493
comment is especially embarrassing when you compare how much star wars was making before disney took over.

>>96094045
This is your brain on terminal culture war brainrot. Manga and anime are not politically aligned to anyone because it has incredibly broad appeal and the childish need to make everything good = my side, everything bad = your side terminally online libs are engaging in with media is extremely pathetic. You are a grown ass man/woman and your still trying to steal toys from others and say its only belongs to you.

>>96091382
This post is pretty amazing encapsulation of how conservative men lost the ability to read and reason.

The post you're responding to used the word "bleat". The word lodged in your brain like a thorn, and you completely unselfconsciously regurgitated it to argue with the person who threw it at you. Except you spelled it wrong in your own post.

A fucking magnificent performance of incapability to meet a moment.

>>96094659
NTA but all you've got is adhom whinging because, as stupid as he is, he's right and you're wrong.

>>96094665
Your parents failed you. And it's alright to mourn that.

>>96094686
>more desperate adhom
Imagine getting outwitted by a brainlet

>>96094659
I'm not even a conservative. I just don't like faggots lying about reality. You chose to insult me instead of disproving me because you literally can't. Bleet bleet faggot.

>>96095860
That's thing thing these people don't understand. They think anyone who disagrees with them are automatically the opposite end of the political spectrum to them. I think Maga is fucking retarded but that doesn't stop me from calling out the libs for acting like fucking scumbag bigots either. I seem to call out the libs more and more because they are actively trying to fuck with the things i enjoy and then ad-hoc ideologically claim ownership over it.

>>96087098
Notice how no one is even responding to you anymore.

This thread is very not on topic.

i like lore