Head writer for 3.0 revealed edition
Previous Heresy:
>>96081565>HH 3.0 Leakshttps://imgur.com/a/C7NLFxm
https://imgur.com/a/ThwkCe3
https://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://imgur.com/a/8EaFmTM
And more you should probably backtrack the last two or so threads. Seriously, check the thread before you ask for every little thing.
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Thread question:
What parts of you army have been invalidated by 3.0?
Starting heresy and want to future proof. What is an evergreen basic bitch force that will just werks regardless of force org changes? is it just legionnaires with bolters and a praetor? I am tired of theming and getting punished for it
The only way to make 3.0 fun is by incorporating winner tops
>>96087044>Starting heresy and want to future proof.Don't play new editions.
Just play 1.0.
>>96087047Winner tops is an implied victory reward in every wargame, so ubiquitous that it doesn't get mentioned in any rulebook
>>96087044Take the previous Age of Darkness box, paint it blue, that is it.
>>96087050I get that, unfortunately the last LGS in my city was forced out of business due to city planning so the only wargaming space is a fucking GW store.
>>96087057Really? No matter what?
>>96087068>Really? No matter what?Anything currently sold in plastic isnt going to go anywhere, you can buy pretty much whatever plastic kit you want and build it without much if any worry
I once again ask for you attention
does anyone have pages with:
praetorian com squad with jump packs
dreadnought drop pod
saber
thunderhawk
SW caster of runes Runecasting page
other LA USRs after page1 (that page starts with Aflame)? please post them so we can compile a LA album
>>96087044Troops
Tanks
Anything with a kit sold by GW (don't go for stuff about to be replaced like terminators)
That'll keep you going until 2030-2032 when they decide to scrap everything and up the scale again so they can sell gullible bastards their army again
>>96087068If you only option to wargame is to play in a GW store you quite simply shouldn't.
Get another hobby. Drive further away. Move if it's that important to you to wargame.
But don't force yourself to embrace the GW corposlop just to play a very shit version of any wargame
>>96087072> Looks at tartaros
>Necromunda bodyguards get disintegration rifles
They're just gonna start throwing that STL file into whatever, huh?
>>96087068Not even all the models they sell, unconverted, are usable in certain cases so no. Good luck.
>>96087073Praetorian command squad with jump packs
>>96087085Jesus that looks so fucking stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ_2D7P0CjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQkz5sSATBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OISyoSIow0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6nGD9kuCu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkW49AYkgtY
Is it really this bad guys?
>>96087097It's worse, look in the previous generals.
Am I too stupid to understand this? Disembarking, left, says if the transport moved you can't move after disembarking. But the the steps, right, say you can. Is it
>The steps, right, assume the transport hasn't moved
Or
>The steps, right, are correct and it's all one disembark move and not a normal move. The rules, left, are to prevent a double move.
>>96087096what's the problem, it looks about as busy as the average Praetor
>>96087097It's even worse
>>96087095thank you anon!
>>96087089How come the imperial fists haven't had them in 40k then GW? This shit makes no sense.
>>96087108Ask yourself, do you actually want to play the aneurysm edition?
>>96087108Maybe learn to finish reading a fucking sentence you stupid faggot.
>>96087095>Legion standardInteresting, it looked like every jump unit was being denied banner poles, but no
>>96087097Whats with the warhammer community and ai SLOPPA
>>96087073Dreadnought drop pod
>>96087097Not really. It looks like the leaks are from a pre release book since theyโre actively missing shit that the actual book in hand reviewers have. Also this same shitflinging happened in 2.0, people were just less whiny when 2.0 came out
>>96087157Do you have any proof of that?
>>96087097kek the guy in the 2nd video is close to tears
>>96087157Yeah gonna need to see some sort of source of that other then the complete crack of your asshole.
>>96087087This along with gorgons are going to get FAQ'd I'm not sure why anons are thinking it won't be
>>96087127No but alas
>>96087134Are you referring to the first sentence of step 2? Of course you can't double move. That doesn't tell me if page left means you can't "make a normal move" in step 2 of right. Last sentence of Page left implies you can move as you can "act normally". If you can "act normally" I assume making a normal move. Which doesn't make sense with step 2, which is make a normal move resulting in a double move. Which obviously can't be right.
>>96087154thank you anon, much appreciated!
anyone got the base rhino statsheet ?
>>96087163As crap as the goonhammer review is they mention a lot of shit like hatred on chaplains thatโs not in the leaks
>>96087191amazing, thanks!
>>96087175It uses overlapping language too much, lll grant you that. If we're splitting hairs then yes, it technically allows a double move UNTIL it specifically disallows it last second, I think this is where you're stuck. It's a round about way of having disembark and normal move be separate, but nearly identical then have language to stop a double at the end. It's clunky but welcome to 3.0.
>>96087174Urgh noโฆ
Must..
DOOMPOST
>>96087207Thank you, that is where I was stuck. Both ways allow moving that precludes the other using "normal" interchangeably but aren't the same actual "normal move".
Man fuck this rulebooks format.
>>96087214thx anon, here are 4 poorly photographed morlocks
>>96087089The police force already have SWAT automata and sanctioned psykers. The Nobles climb into crisis suits and hunt poor people for sport. The Gangers do drive bys in everything from shipping crates to jetbikes. There's literally a functioning STC database in the underhive.
Its fucking LA dude, shits wild.
>>96087226very cool anon, thank you very much!
>>96087154is it true U can deep strike turn 1 now? alpha strike leviathan in one of these seems kinda fun
>>96087089THey handle ouut disintegrator wepons like their are candy, immersion ruined
>>96087236Only with the master of descent consul from the first tactica journal. He does guarantee all your deep strike reserve rolls to succeed, so he seems like a must have if you wanna do any deep strikes.
>>96087089Did they do this because they realized very few people are going to play 3.0?
>>96087089why do retards throw around words like CAD and STL like they know some shit. shut the fuck up dude.
does anyone have "building a space marine army" and "LA Auxiliary detachments"?
>>96087118Disintegrators are only really efficient at killing yourself judging by their HH datasheets. The fists don't need the help dying, they're already very good at it.
>>96087236Reserves are t1 except deepstrike. They couldn't figure out how to make fun and engaging deepstrike so they made it trash.
>>96087254What? There's even fewer people that play necromunda dude. And those disintegrator guns do have different details compared to the HH ones. Take your meds, you're starting to sound schizo again.
>>96087264I have detachments, would appreciate someone posting the Saturnine squad
>>96087284Again? Are you sure you aren't the schizo?
>>96087097>YT troons drama farming as usualBuy an ad.
>>96087300>Saturnine squadthank you, here you go
>>96087304This is /hhg/
We're all schizo here.
>>96087300>>96087310>Auxiliary detachments 4 pages in the booki wonder if two other pages are just art, also building a SM army is only 1 page, interesting
>>96087072>Anything currently sold in plastic isnt going to go anywhereTell that to some of the more recent AoS kits. I think 3 years is the maximum you're guaranteed to be safe?
>>96087320We? All of you are hallucinations of my fractured mind thank you very much
I went over this a few times... and I really hope I'm missing some line somewher that invalidate it but...
Transport are limited to the Infantry and Paragon Type. No limitation on subtype.
Vehicle are not limited by the bulky special rule (beside using more transport space) unless they have the "light transport" special rule.
Jump pack are no longer a wargear piece with its own limitation and special rule but just a collection of standard special rules (deep strike and bulky) and an built in movement stat.
The result of all this.. is that you can embark assault, assault veteran, furies, raptor and the like inside a spartan, move it 10, disembark (that include a mvement) by 12 (14 for furies), make a set up move of 5 and than finally roll your charge... that is a 27 baseline + the best of 2d6 charge range...
PLS, tell me I'm missing somethign that invlaidate all this, that there is one line somewhere that makes A-grav sbtype not being able to embark or something like that (that is how I'm gonna house rule it if it really work and GW don't fix it on day 1)
Where are you going to HIDE them, anon? I mean, they may have bolters, but are too important (-1 cost to a Stratagem) to risk in direct battle innit.
I feel they are a Master of Signal's posse. That guy can't fight at all
>>96087344Imagine rescuing a captured Titan. They had it in chains, and were just about defiling it when the traitor forge fell and the divine machine got liberated
>>96087414Behind my land raider.
>>96087044Future-proofing indefinitely probably isn't a realistic goal. All GW games are getting caught by the churn. Learn to embrace it, or go elsewhere.
That said, things least likely to have their models or rules changed are VERY recent resin (certain consul variants, certain named characters), plastic vehicle kits, "current-scale" marines (anything in the current Mk VI or Mk III plastic, so basic Praetors/centurions, tacs, despoilers, heavy/special weapon squads, jump infantry, basic jetbikes, etc.) and you can plan towards anything we know is getting new plastic soon (breachers, felblade, rapiers/tarantulas, etc.).
So with that being said, you can build the core of damn near any Legion that isn't like, White Scars. You'd probably be in a great spot starting Iron Warriors, Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, Sons of Horus, Ultramarines, Alpha Legion, or maybe Iron Hands.
>>96087414Inside heavy area terrain, obviously.
>>96087315>T6 Thermal DiffractorOmg safe plasma wounds these guys on a 5+. It is that useless
>>96087411Why would you make a 'normal move' and also be able to declare a charge? Take -12"/-14" off your fever dream, anon
>>96087264Were pages 55 and 56 posted ?
>>96087467No, he's right. When you disembark you make a normal move with each model one at time. If that model has M14 , it moves 14" front he facing with the access point. Assault Vehicle allows a set up move too.
>>96087467because that is how dismbarking work now, you place down the first model, move it up to his movement than repeat with the next but need to end up in coerency. than you can't make a move action (because well you have pratically already done so as part of getting down from the vehicle ^^' )
>>96087494>>96087498Then we're missing something, because you'd never be able to charge or you can always charge 'very' far; it says "you can't make 2 normal moves" but that 2nd move would be where you would declare a charge? Man, I wish these ducks knew how to communicate in English...
>>96087204Let's hope that is the case then.
>>96087524Charge is not a normal move ESL-kun
>>96087214>Rhino gets 8 bolter shotsHuh
>Or 4 bolter shots and a Heavy BolterOkay
>>96087035 (OP)>TQmy Castellan, 10 man assault cannon HSS and i had to stop a hobby project of an assault cannon predator and a 20 man inductii squad.
>>96087443No, it's just not that useful into literal walking tanks. If I paid 200 points for three models, I'd want my opponent to have to actually work to lift them.
>>96087524Charge and move have nothing to deal with each other (beside making use in different way of the same stat for the calculation). Pinning for example have to state in details that you can neither move, rush or charge. There is not one word to cover them all. Deep strike state that you don't move after deployment and that you can't charge, those again are separate points, bloking one of them does not autoatically block the otehr.
>>96087534>Charge is not a normal move"Right", but you can only make normal moves as part of the disembark process.
Have you seen rules that say you get to make a normal move, then declare a charge? I haven't seen that.
>>96087089>not even van saar >fucking palatines
>>96087599So when the fuck are charges declared? Surely not after normal moving?
>>96087602you are making quite a bit of confusion.. normal move happen in the movemnet phase. charge happen in the charge phase.. they are not even 2 subphases of the same phase but 2 completely differnt phase.
>>96087603Disintegrators are far too pedestrian for van saar gangers
>>96087619Hes saying you can't charge if you moved in the movement phase
>>96087602Be honest anon, have you never played any kind of warhammer before, are you terminally retarded, or just a random troll?
>>96087619So we can move 7", then declare charge, getting 3" set up/volley, then best of 2d6"? That's so pro-melee, I figured there was no way and I was misunderstanding something.
The titanfall sheets were shared anons ?
>>96087618anon have you ever played a warhammer 40k based game before or have you only ever played fantasy/old world?
>>96087154So, you need a Hero to grant you a Transport Detachment, plus a Logistical Benefit to take the WarMachine Dreadnought itself? Gee talk about tax.
What was so wrong with Dedicated Transports?
Do pintle-mounted combi-flamers and combi-flamer cause panic?
Saw this at
>>96087408/hhg/ is this legitimate or a well made photoshop?
They got rid of explodes on the vehicle chart? Iโve seen numerous battle reports and vehicles just wreck? Why did they remove explodes on all but a few vehicles? wtf does this make sense?
>>96087648I'm asking if you get a full normal move, then also, later, a charge move: it's kind of important to understand.
It doesn't seem right that James is allowing tacs to get a 10"+d6 charge. I'd have to reassess how ass this edition is, if so.
>>96087649yep... that is how charge have been woring in wharhammer 40k and 30k for... well some 30 years by now ^^'.
Movement, shoting, charge, some edition had more or less limitation on who could charge, here the only limitation is that you can't charge if you rush, can't charge in the first turn if you deploy outside of your deployment zone, can't charge the turn you deploy via deep strike and can't charge the turn you deploy via outflank if you eneterd from outside of your deployment zone. (don't think I missed any of the special restriction).
>>96087157>people were just less whiny when 2.0 came outI wonder if there's a reason for that.
Could it be... that there was less to whine about?
Where are the knight leaks?
>>96087680Yes. Movement happens in the Movement phase. Any units that moved can still charge during the Charge phase.
Unless there is a special rule or interaction specifically says it doesn't allow a unit to charge, like the Deep Strike special rule does.
>>96087174>I'm not sure why anons are thinking it won't beBecause there's plenty of issues in 2.0 that never got F.A.Q.'d, and the number of baffling decisions that never got fixed far outweighs the number of baffling decisions that did.
>>960876952.0 was released after the infamous 7 year draught of no rules changes and no real model releases for HH 1.0. Barely anybody was still playing HH at that point. The number of HH players increased during 2.0, and a lot more than I estimated judging by the amount of outrage.
>>96087703>>96087687Huhn. Apologies, but I could've sworn that's not how it worked in 2.0; you either moved or declared a charge.
Need some advice.
My bright blue AL, picrel, are getting a shipment of technoheresy (mhara Ghal, brass scorpion). What color would work well for their armor? Im going to model them with many chains and glowing glyphs of sealing on them to represent the AL attempting to control something inherently uncontrollable.
What color would contrast well with the turquoise? What scheme would look good? Right now I'm kind of leaning towards the dark grey of the pre-fall word bearers with either green or red runes, but I'd like some suggestions
>>96087704Guess we'll never get a definitive answer on whether units that deep strike counted as stationary or not...
>>96087069How are Multimelta now?
>>96087733wreck is clearly right there in the rules anon
>>96087680>it's kind of important to understand.Heresy basically has 3 phases. Movement, shooting, and assault. Charges happen in the assault phase. If you don't know that, you probably shouldn't be making any comments on the system.
>>96087730in 2.0 ou moved and than charged by 2d6 (added not the best of)... Space wolves even had a legion trait that allowed them to charge even if they rusheds instead of making a normal move
>>96087730Have no idea where you possibly got have gotten that idea from. Maybe get yourself checked that you didn't have a stroke or something.
>>96087089>Necromunda keeps all the good stuff to itself, therefore selfishly starving the imperium of potent weaponry that otherwise might enable it to survive betterI can believe it.
Best future-proofing is not playing with autistic WYSIWYG fags
>>96087733All vehicles had a chance to explode in every edition before it. Why did they remove it or just roll a d6 and on a 5 or 6 it explodes? Not every vehicle is gonna be a wreck, some are gonna fucking blow up. Fucking retarded.
>>96087734Have been going over the 2.0 special rules - some are near autistic, and others just don't care. Some specify "All models in the unit must have this rule", some are "At least one model in this unit must have this rule", but a few just go "If the unit has this rule", which clearly isn't enough for the first two cases...
>>96087414I won't hide them. But if they shoot them instead of my killy vanguard units or Line then I'll gladly take the VP. It's not inconsequential to go through that many 2W marines. You'd need some good fire power to one tap them.
>>96087744single hit, range 24, melta (armorbane and double damage against vehicles) when within 9 (yep it is not half range anymore but a fixed value for every specific melta weapon) and heavy (RS)
>>96087744Pretty alright. Will need more than a single one to pop any tanks though.
>>96087747yes its there, my point is there is no table, there is also an Explodes! usr
>>96087673real
I'm not expecting female space marines
I'm just expecting that GW neutered the wording so that troons like the one at goonhammer don't throw a shitfit
>>96087792Vehicles can only explode if they have the Explodes! usr. Otherwise they can only be wrecked.
>>96087602Anon, how do you assault out of a land raider? You disembark your move, go through the shooting phase, and then declare a charge. No one is charging immediately after disembark skipping shooting and charge phases.
>>96087796Marines have always been TRANShuman, you lorelet
>>96087760>oh yeah, that may look like a tactical with a bolter but that's actually my praetor with paragon blade, disintegrator pistol, and melta bombs>oh, that's not a boxnaught with fist and las, that's a stand-in for a saturnine dread with plasma bombards>that shoebox is a rhino. *le sigh* it's only a LITTLE bigger than the model, chill out bro
>>96087769all (or almost all if I'm not wrong) have the "explode" special rule that (guess what) does make them explode, inflice damage withn a small area and than completely remove the model. this ability trigger after the vehicle get destructed and the trigger is a set value specific for each vehicle (most have 4+)... They simply moved the explosion out of the vehicle damage chart so as to remove the possibility of a 600 point vehicle getting destroyed by the first lase shot in the first turn of the game.
>>96087769>Why did they remove itto simplify and speed up the game process obviously, they added Explodes to some units to compensate.
>>96087730Are you thinking about running or shooting?
>>96087673There have always been female Space Marines, anon, even back in the First 1000. You just can't tell because of the armor and the fact that the geneseed makes you look, think, and act much like your spacedad.
>>96087796lmao cope
they're all about "refreshing the playerbase" now, aka kick out your old customers and bring in new ones over and over again
they'll bring in female space marines or have a marine be trans
that way all the crossdressers can be tourists for a month or two to own the chuds
>>96087799'Assault' is melee combat resolution; 'Movement' is movement. Putting Charging into Assault allows the mental mistake of charging with a unit that's been used in the Shooting phase.
I'm wrong about the rules, clearly, but it did used to work like that: charges were _completed_ in the movement phase.
Do we have a defintion for the "Impact(X)" rule that Eidolon has?
>>96087844What alternative timeline are you from?
Ok, Space Wolves anons, is there a Caster of Runes Runecasting page with his discipline? This is like the last page from Libers outside of USRs that we need.
>>96087844When did you play last? You can charge with unit that was used in the shooting phase. Assault/melee/charge/whatever has been after shooting for a long time. Are you on the right board?
>>96087852yes it's +1 (X) on a charge. Also he has 4 wounds now.
>>96087095>>96087491Were we shown the Cataphractii command unit?
>>96087859No one has it. No one will. I removed it from the printing last second. All space tiffs must hang.
>>96087859Haven't been able to find it.
The overload special rule also is nowhere to be found.
>>96087844nope... that is how it works in WHFB, in WH40k (and 30k) it has ALWAYS been movement --> shoting --> charge --> fight. You are probably mixing up the 2 ruleset
>>96087844You're thinking WHFB. The 40k 3rd Edition ruleset and its derivatives have always handled charging in the assault phase.
>>96087673GW flips between mentioning the process requiring males and not on a whim edition by edition
The 10th edition 40k codex says they have to be male, the 9th didnt
>>96087888Overload is in the Mechanicum liber (finally found it).. and yep, it should have been in the core book and in the astartes/hereticus as well
>>96087698https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/07/12/liber-questoris-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-3rd-edition/
Here0s the one I saw
>>96087889>ALWAYSYou shouldn't make absolute statements when you're wrong.
>>96087732>What color would contrast well with the turquoise?Gold. Then, red, then pinkish organge and so on
>>96087888>>96087906>overload this is it, the suffering is finally over!
>>96087889>ALWAYS>>96087892>40k 3rd EditionAgain, apologies for my ignorance, but that's not 'always'
>>96087892Quite sure it was like that in 2nd edition as well, not sure about 1st edition but I've often been told (by the old guys that introduced me to Warhamme) that Wh40k and WHFB truly split up their rulese with 40k 2nd edition
>>96087904do every elite has a command version ? Veteran, Tartaros, Saturnines etc ?
>>96087095>3.0 doesn't let you take a chainsword on most consuls but lets you have combi-weapons and other two handed ranged weapons on a jump pack unitWhat a weird timeline
>>96087804Only a select few have them and that is bullshit. Every vehicle should have the chance to be turned into a fireball.
>>96087913Look, the fig leaf covering my shame
>>96087938Yes. Centurion command squads is basically veterans, they have a 3+ armour save. Saturnine are getting command squad rules in the second tactica journal
What would a fluffy tank detachment look like for SA?
Do we have the page for the Land Raider Proteus Carrier?
>>96087938so far we've seen 6 renitue units, 2 types of praetorians (one with junp pack), cata. tartaros and centurion command squads. And new squad from a journal that gives free reactions.
What I find frustrating from losing wargear options to removing rules like all vehicles have a chance to explode and removing legion flavor is that we have gone from WARGAME to BOARDGAME. Fuck you GW cunts I hope you go to bed and never wake up.
>>960879332E was Wargear cards, armor save modifiers, and Declare Charges before other Movement
>>96087959yeah, found it in an obscure imgur folder in one of the previous threads
>>96087957It so possible not to make one now. You need structure that unlocks more tanks. Following the FOC rules as normal maximizing tanks. If you're asking about what versions of tanks in what quantities, you'd have to read the lore sections for them.
>>96087947If people want to add a chain sword to models I won't say know. I dont care what shred does now. HQs get chain swords.
Favorite legion detachment from the libers? Are there any ones people think are actually cool?
>>96087981Perfect. I think the page scavenger hunt for my list is finally done.
>>96087931>https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/07/12/liber-questoris-review-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-3rd-edition/I agrre that I made a mistake. btw, in 2nd edition charge was movement value + 2d6... so even than you had the same movemnt range as now tact were stil able to charge 18 inch away (they were movement 6 if I do remebr well)
>>96087108>Move the full movement of the ehicle>Disembark and move the full movement of the miniature>Charge or shootThat's an absolutely stupid threat range
>>96087999Prosperine Convocation is perfect. I can use everything I have with it and normal aux without any difficulty.
Decapitation Cadre or whatever sucks ass and I Curse of Ra upon the designer.
>>96087904Thanks anon
>+70 pts for +1WS, +1A>Gain Champion on the sarge, lose Vanguard (3)>Gain the option for a Legion Standard, lose the option for Termie Heavy WeaponsOof. It's no longer a no-brainer. Congrats I guess
>>96087999Despite everyone shitting on it I like Exalted Conclave - it gives you 2 extra true believer troops and only costs you 1 prime elite slot compared to the vanguard apex detachment, which is a trade I'm willing to make considering I only have two units of gal vorbak
>>96088002Anon if you've got techmarines I'd appreciate it, I just realized I'm somehow missing that page
>>96088004>act were stil able to charge 18 inchNow it's 9, and overwatched by marines on a 5+. Though thankfully it's pretty much pistols only unless they spend 1 reaction point
>>96087999Thousand Sons win again
Though every single detachment seems to be either "this legion likes to take a lot of these" or "this legion practices perfect balance and combined arms"
>>96088029Could anybody post a screencap of the Overload rule?
Motherfuckers couldn't be arsed to come up with a list for Transgron like they did for Snekgrim.
>>96087157>It looks like the leaks are from a pre release bookIs this why theres basic rules like melta and overload mossing from the USRs?
>>96087981>release quad HB sponsons>only give them to super-heavies and spartans>13 years of 30k and several depictions of Prometheus/Tartarus the books, but still no options to put quad HB on a regular land raider
>>96087214>meltas only wound rhinos on 4sShieeet
>buy some land raider doors from black legion market
>pay their invoice
>get sent a shipping number
>shipping number has no result
I don't know if they are ukranian or russian, but either way I hope they get bombed.
>>96088042>OPTIONS:>โข Lol>โข Lmao>โข Rofl
>>96088083Giving a techmarine anything besides a power axe should have been grounds for summary execution for twenty years now anyways, this is the least offensive of the box locking we've seen yet
>>96088042>The Virgin TechmarineHas to get special permission for plasma pistol or hand flamer
>The Chad TechpriestHas access to the entire Mechanicum armourium, chooses to enter battle with nothing but grenades and his faith in the Omnissiah
>>96088079They're hohols. They ship out of Kharkiv. So they very well might have been bombed.
>>96088113>>96088042>yeah tanks are better this edition! but better be careful, you need techmarines with them to keep them running!>tech marines are stuck on footlike poetry
>>96087666I found it, the answer is yes
NL Rhinos with two combi-flamers
>>96088014Yea, theyre still the best fighters available to most legions, but the lack of special rules like vanguard makes them less "the definite goto", you might be tempted to use your legion elites more since even if theyre worse fighters they actively win you the game if they do stuff.
>>96088146>Battlesmith now has a 6" range>Techmarines can move 7"Only things like sicarans and flyers move too fast for a techmarine to keep up.
>>96088101>Saturnine termis with two, two-shot Overload (2) weapons on actual suicide watch.
>>96088101>hit resolved the same way as any other fire groupez (dies from unlucky powerful attack)
>>96088153NL rhinos want havoc launchers that have stun.
>>96088116Somebody needs to draw a naked techpriest, mechatendrite fully erect, holding nothing but a bandolier of frag grenades.
>>96088101>vehicles hit themselves on their lowest armoroof
>>96088164That DA legion trait is sounding better and better...
>>96087732A brown/tan paint scheme like picrel like a darker Xana scheme would contrast well, especially if you make the trim black to make the runes really pop out. I would suggest putting it on a base to better integrate it with your army.
>>96088200The DA trait doesent really help against NL, fear greater than (1) is quite limited (only sevatar and curze have fear(2)). And the DA trait doesent help with suppressive or pinning or whatever. Its the IW trait (or the corrupted prime benefit) that really helps against status bombing.
The DA trait is useful for not running away from combat after you lose, its like the old WB trait. Means that no matter how badly you get massacred you have at least a 42% chance to not rout.
>>96087904>+9 additional modelI wonder if that's also a fuck up
>>96087673Thatโs real but they also mention space marines as being only male multiple times throughout
>>96088240Spartans hold 26. Im telling you its intentional.
>>96088164What about double havoc launchers?
>>96088158now compare it to a sicaran movement
>>96088256I suppose you could, but I dont see much point. You cant stack the same status with itself. If your goal is to just trigger statuses them a combi grav or flamer are better, since they cause pinning and panic respectively.
>>96088101Was this on the Liber?
>>96088291liber mechanicus
>>96088042>Battlesmith 2This meant he heals 2 wounds or 2 statuses didn't it? I think +1 for the servo arm too
>>96087214You know, the rhino rush really does seem pretty doable. 12" move from the rhino + 7" move from the disembark + like 4" from the charge? Thats a very respectable threat range, plus theyre rather tough now.
Its a disordered charge, but vs many targets that wont matter. The difference between "melee units" and "not melee units" is basically insurmountable now, even more so than before.
>>96088304Yes.
Servo only add to heal not to status removal
>>96088260>Only things like sicarans and flyers move too fast for a techmarine to keep up>Now compare it to a sicaran movementPlease for the love of God learn to read
>>96087859Just for you xxx
>>96088005And people were saying it was hard to get metals in range for more damage. Big vehicles are actually resilient to melta at least, but any rhino chassis, elite unit, Walker, automata is cooked when a another rhino flings a melta support squad up close.
Do we know what the shield rule does yet
>>96088331Thank you very much anon! this was the last page! thank you!
>>96088350Let's you use the shield wall reaction for +1t until the end of the phase when you get shot
Bready gud, honestly
>>96087072>Arms his Tartaros termies with powerfists
>>96088350I think it allows you to use Shieldwall reaction.
>>96087759What's more important to the imperial nobility, some war against bugs or whatever some other place nobody cares about or the gang-based proxy conflict that your inter-house power struggle revolves around?
>>96088079Black Legion Market is fucking dogshit anyway. Almost everything I've ever gotten from them was missing parts or just poorly casted. Yes I know FW quality wasn't great, but this was so so much worse.
>>96088336Melta only works on vehicles, not walkers or automata
Also wounding rhinos on 4s...
And if they get close you can just reaction to move away. I'm really not seeing melta being that strong desu.
Deepstriking meltas will be an issue tho
>>96087673>40kiddies are having a fem marine meltdown atmPottery
>>96088386You cant reaction move vehicles since its based on initiative.
>>96088042Emperor keep us, Techmarines lose more and more options every edition!
>>96088101See? I told you the X was the failure threshold for the shooting attack, not the number of self shots inflicted. That made no sense!
I have a budget of 300USD.
Which tanks suit the White Scars the best, both in terms of "fluff" but also on the tabletop?
>>96088361I assume its every model in the unit, so my 20 breachers with a siege breaker wont get it......
>>96088383Where do you go for quality SDS recasts?
>>96088444Mechanically? Probably a land raider, good for transporting ebon keshig.
Thematically? Sicarans and sabres are the "fast" tanks. Predators are also not exactly slow.
You might also want a bunch of rhinos for a rhino rush.
>>96088446Just majority so you're safe
>>96088447Black Market Miniatures if they actually have what I want. If they don't then I cry and buy chinese shit.
>>96088465oh wow im shocked.
Thanks mate
>Mangled barely comprehensible schizo rules writing
>Options and units axed all over the place making the average army unplayable
>turns capped at max 4 because fuck you
>Everything is now uncustomizable, boxlocked and boring
Bravo GW, you really butchered it!
>>96088331>The Hatred (Psyker)
>>96088240Base Cataphractii squads are also max 12.
>>96088219I want the digital Libers to be leaked. Then we'll be able to search for status effects with modifiers higher than (1). Maybe count them all with a single hand.
Then all Iron Warriors will laugh anyways but will be killed by some DA Terranic sergeant
>>96088251Why did Spartans even need more than 24 transport capacity anyw- ah it's those Bulky (6) primarchs.
Bro they're not that big!
>UM Logistica gets you Transport 28 Spartans0.0
>>96088486There are people that don't even play celebrating and hoping for more boxlocking in the discord.
>>96088444Land raiders, Jaghatai Khan specifically lets you take Land Raider Explorators in your crusade primary detachment which is...random but neat
Assuming I'm not blind, I only just remembered to check but it looks like we lost tank commanders? Or lemme guess - gonna be sold in some 3 page journal for $50 down the line
>>96088530Decurions are in, but they're in a weird spot.
No command slot tanks to my knowledge though.
>>96088499I believe there's a fair chance the leaked new cataphractii may be 6 per box, or 12.
>>96088530Decurions are the literal 3rd line of the index page
Please learn to read
Big US webstore with 15% discount still at 14 copies remaining, they sold a single copy 48 hours ago and zero copies after. 3rd edition dead as disco.
>>96088545It's possible. I buy that they're shifting bulky elites towards base 3 for units (40K is going that route, and Saturnine termies are there already)
Could also be 10/box and max 12 to sell extras.
Still, justaerin used to be 12, so it's possible.
I certainly wouldn't assume it's a mistake rather than a questionable decision.
>>96088307>like 4" from the chargeYuck. I don't know how to feel about marines having to already be able to move 16" before being eligible to charge the full 12". Besides disgusted, that is.
>The difference between "melee units" and "not melee units" is basically insurmountable nowIs it true that, if you have no Impact weapons, charging grants 0 benefits at all?
>>96088486>EverythingDoes he know?
>>96088256>>96088277You can only replace one of the bolters for a pintle weapon. The other gets to be a combi at most. Idk sounds oka-
...imagine double Pintles...
>>96088583>Yuck. I don't know how to feel about marines having to already be able to move 16" before being eligible to charge the full 12"Rhino rushing limits your charge to 2d6 drop lowest and no setup move
It's still fast, sure, but you're banking on a die roll
do you think they put Age of Darkness on the saturnine box to make it even harder to find copies of the 2.0 box(or just further push the new one into your face)
very annoying :(
>>96088610Yes, that's what I said. The 16" entry bar is that a 6" Setup is only available to units with a combine M+I value of 20, right? Meaning only i4 marines with M16 get to charge the full Bligh-given 12"
>>96087268Disintegrators in necromunda have Unstable, a rule so notoriously shitty that most people won't even consider using a weapon that has it unless they've got a rule that let's them ignore it or at least re-roll ammo checks.
The orrus spyre hunter is the only model that has access to them and is their most expensive weapon option and it has a chance of making them go out of action instantly with no wound, save or injury roll, and potentially permanently killing a 350 point gang member.
can I get a qrd on what they ruined with 3rd?
>>96088577They made the thallax 6 base, which also just so happens to be the amount you get in the box.
6 termins a box and a base unit size of 6 with a max of 12 seems plausible.
Remember, this is the boxlock edition.
>>96088656main thing is removing options from a ton of units and legions.
>>96088583>Basically no rewards for charging>Marines overwatch on 5+ with Assault weapons>If you have 3 Reaction Points, you can do 3 full BS Overwatch>Charge distance gutted>Heavy weapons can move and shootMelee is a fucking disgrace. Be like a RG or AL and keep your distance
>>96088666so it's basically like 10th edition 40k all over again?
>>96088656->
>>96088669Melee is pointless
>>96087968Lol, what boardgames are you playing? The Conquest of North Africa?
This is not board-game level simplification, get your head out of your ass. Force organization is way more complicated and interesting than last edition. Legions lost some baseline options but we'll probably have it sold back to us in Tacticool Journals.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Am I tripping or do the changes to charges mean that the AL 2+ inches trait punish mchargwrs even harder? It was already bad against 2d6, I feel like it'll be even worse against 3+1d6
>>96088593Yes you spergy tard, but that's the common theme across this edition.
The units gaining things are exceptions.
Quick question: can I pich a Warlord detachment and only fill the retinue and heavy transport slot without paying the command tax, since it is not an auxiliary detachment?
>>96088683Not nearly as bad as 10th, but the same idea yeah
>>96088394>Vehicles literally on meltdown watch
>>96087999Alpha Legion's unique one is fucking solid, gets us more Seekers (which got buffed) and Headhunters. I like the Sons of Horus one a lot as well.
>>96088669I'm a jump-pack heavy RG player...
>>96088386Melta are still base 3 damage for the small ones, that's plenty to kill a termi even through Medic!. A squad of 10 will absolutely delete a rhino or Predator a turn. They arent godlike but the skew very hard into "rock" territory.
>>960886564-turn-games, charging distance, charging melee attacks, dual wielding, terrain, unit options, sweeping advance, line of sight shooting, damage vs vehicles, space marine leadership, rapid fire removal, heavy weapons move-n-nshoot, pistols made worthless, melta/plasma/las gimped to sell new guns, dumb challenge mini-game, worst written rulebook ever using 100 words to say 10 words and as icing they still haven't fixed reactions.
>>96088691>Force organization is way more complicated and interesting than last edition.Complicated, yes. Interesting no. 1.0's varied force org charts trump both easily.
I've seen people (rightfully) mad about no longer having legion stuff like shrapnel, alchem, etc.
The thing is, GW already said they would release an armoury supplement for each legion. What else would they put in there if not those legion weapons?
It's fucked that they removed the option to sell it to us later but I very much doubt we won't see those weapons again, and when the time comes the scans for those will probably be out immediately.
To be clear I agree it's a horrible thing to do to their customer base, but some of the Sooners around here act like their weapons are gone forever
>>96088718Dark Furies 5" step up means you can skip volley if you're close enough to step up into base contact. I have to check if it skips overwatch too. RG keep winning.
>>96088704Not as bad as 10th, but HH 2.0 to 3.0 is much more of a drop from 40k 9th to 10th
>>96088743The thing is anon, no one should have to fucking pay for an arcane journal to get access to things we literally had free 5 min ago.
>>96088539Apart from the damocles
HH 2.0 was ass. 1 was far better
>>96088750I look forward to using them once per battle.
>>96088743maybe 18 months later you'll get shrapnel bolters back, MAYBE. And lose them to 4th edition a year later. Glad we're boycotting this shit successfully (been watching US stores, game isnt moving at all)
>>96088743It's 2.0 all over again, why should people pay and wait to use what they already have?
lol
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>>96088743>GW already said they would release an armoury supplement for each legion.They also released pic related. What they "Want" to do and what we get are very different.
As for the legion armoury kits, we got 2 in 3 years. I don't see them dropping 16 more in 3.0
>>96088770You don't have to sacrifice them in the middle of the board, alone. And then dying means your scoring Tacs aren't. You can even give them Vanguard 1 with a MoS. They're just flat good.
>>96088742I think I agree with that. Even so, I don't hate this new system. I like the need for more HQs, and I'm interested to play around with the Prime Benefit system, it looks like you can manage some really cool stuff with armies like Word Bearers.
>>96088779That's where my Deliverers are... Aren't they?
>>96088787I don't want to sacrifice them for vanguard. I want to drop in and assassinate something, and this edition is actively hostile to that.
I miss Bligh so fucking much bros...
Oh
Any sarge can get a storm bolter now
>>96088699If you make false statements it undermines your position. We, the regular fags know, but the casuals do not, and lying about 3.0 only helps it by making critics look bad. The truth about 3.0 is bad enough, why embellish?
>>96088696Average of 2d6=7 inches
Average of 3+1d6 drop lowest= 7.5 inches
Additionally theres a slightly higher chance of reaching 9 with the new method. There's around 30% chance of getting a 9" charge off, whereas the old system to get a 9 or higher was around 28%
All things considered the difference is basically negligible so it will be a similar amount of busted as 2.0
>>96088835Same here but it's up to us now. Why I was working on a bodt inspired campaign on netEA but work made me slow down a lot, it's things like this keeping the spirit of the game alive. Just have faith.
>>96088469Thanks, I may try them. Previously I've bought from Sartoza (who are good enough, maybe averaging 1 small detail-destroying bubble per figure).
>>96088841But can they get that banestrike combi bolter modlled for power armor?
If they can then we've been played for however long ago they came out with that kit.
Like a damn fiddle.
Are there non-Primarch Warlords?
Is there an Imperial Fist specific Decurion page?
>>96088724Can Recovery tests reduce Damage down to 0? I saw the Medic reaction page, but I didn't see the Apothecary page, which is where I assume Recovery tests are explained
>>96088743>What else would they put in there if not those legion weapons?I don't know, maybe the creatively bankrupt retards can come up with NEW options instead of just repackaging the work of their betters?
Or is that just too difficult for these retards?
Well I guess I best get started on making the xenos rules for my local group for 3.0 then. Gonna start with early awakening Necrons.
>>96088486"The average army unplayable."
Bro I have 6k of Alpha Legion and lost one (1) unit of Melee Vets, which will now be promoted to a command squad.
I'm not counting Effrit Cadres, they're almost assuredly in the Legacies list just like last edition.
I'm not saying people won't have lost units or have a handful of wonky loadouts across their armies, but if you somehow managed to build a collection that this edition totally invalidates, I hate to tell you that you're the exception, not the norm.
>>96088908How about a macro?
>>96088912I assume Valdor.
what we saying, Ranking for best consuls?
It's astounding how they blew a decade and a half's worth of goodwill away just like that.
>>96088936The Herald looks fun as fuck.
>>96088743>It's fine, guys! Wait for the 2.5 Rebalance!>It's fine, guys, that's just a preview! Wait for the full release!>It's fine, guys, it's just released! Wait for the FAQ!Your Tartaros and Gorgons are here
>It's fine, guys, wait for the War Journal DLCs!Your Legion wargear is here
>It's fine, guys, wait for the 3.5 rebalance!>It's fine, guys! It's just the 4.0 preview!
>>96088869Because listing all the problems individually every time you want to discuss the problems with this edition instead of using broad strokes is a waste of time.
Everyone isn't super autistic.
>>96088771Good, I hope that stays true.
I particularly want to see Lords of War Games and Hobbies, the FLGS youtube channel fags who hate The Old World, get fucked on by over-committing to Marineland: The Game. They were so confident it was gonna pop off, it would be great to sup their Canuckian tears.
>>96088959Sir, this is a thread about wargaming.
>>96088908You post Sallies yet you're a traitor.
>>96088878going from 28% to 30% to hit 9" is entirely irrelevant.
You had 17% for 10+, 8% for 11+ and 3% for a 12" charge, all removed in the new nerfed charges. And it's significantly worse than those numbers for anyone with 2" setup like move6 termies which basically dont have a charge at all in 3E.
>>96088959Or you could not lie and say
"Some models lost options that weren't in the box, some models lost options that WERE in the box, and some units GAINED options they NEVER had before."
Stop being such a /v/-tier faggot. If you don't want to put effort in then don't post, the board quality will improve immensely.
>>96088994also, if you fail one of these nerfed charges now, gotta test or be immobilized and suffer all drawbacks of a status (striking at initiative 1 behind thunderhammers and a complete freekill)
>>96088936Heralds were turned to masters of executions so that's kinda neat. Even if their weapon options are shit for the job.
Hell they're better at posing as champions that actual champions now.
>>96088978say that again to my face
>>96089006My Lernaeans appreciate the representation. I built a squad with combi-flamers and lightning claws last night and it felt amazing.
>>96088930This is amazing pasta, especially for AL, the exception of 3.0.
Now do that for Emperor's Children
>>96088948the retards at GW didn't understand the only reason HH is popular is because it has the refugees who don't want to play their shit new 40k "modern 10E" rules.
40k players aren't looking to pick up yet another game with 40k rules, they already have 40k and it has orks and tyranids and necrons and eldar to fight, far more interesting.
>>96088583>Yuck. I don't know how to feel about marines having to already be able to move 16" before being eligible to charge the full 12"I think its fine. The maximum charge distance is lower for most units, but its more consistent. The average charge range is (afaik) now higher than it used to be. So you have more consistency, rather than people making longbombs and failing 3" charges.
>>96088930No, the average HH player atleast had converted consuls or individual models in units who they now can't use, YOU are the exception for not getting your army fucked over.
And all the retards going on about "well it didn't affect me so why should I care" don't seem to realize that most of the player base won't be able to play their armies now and that you won't be able to play the fucking game without other people.
>>96088583>Is it true that, if you have no Impact weapons, charging grants 0 benefits at all?Unless youre BA, EC or WE. Yes. The benefit of charging is being in combat (presumably one you want to be in).
Basically all melee units got flat attack buffs, but no longer benefit from 2 weapons (or weapon + pistol) or charging. So for those units theres an inbuilt compensation, but units not built for combat have very little reason to even try now.
>>96089006You're not worth that kind of effort.
>>96088994I responded in the context of the +2 from the AL trait.
I know you can't do the hail Mary 12" charges anymore, and it's a change I absolutely hate (as if they needed to kneecap melee even further).
However, the new charge mechanic is slightly more reliable than the old one to reach 9", it's maximum on most troops, so the AL traight is negligibly less potent
>>96088930>they're almost assuredly in the Legacies list just like last edition.Like Atramentar will be?
>>96088930>6k points Alpha Legion more or less compatible between 2e and 3ePost them fag
>>96089050You're I3 on the charge, right?
In seriousness, I don't play EC, but assuming your army is constructed like armies I've seen across from me on the table it seems like the core is still fine? You kept Phoenix Spears, Kakophoni look like a really reliable way to force Stunned onto enemy infantry and light vehicles. I haven't seen the leaks for Palanite Blades but I assume they still remember how to sword?
>>96088919Yes. They get narthecium which boosts saves and medic 4+
>>96089102Atramentar are a prime benefit now. They may as well have not existed in 2.0 because their rules were cartoonishly shit.
>>96089134>Atramentar are a prime benefit now.Well fuck me for not paying amazon.
>>96089102Why would you want worse Atramentar stuck in a datasheet???
>>96089109Phoenix spears are worthless now, but I+1 thunder hammers will remain very tasty.
>When selecting units for an Auxilia Veletaris Tercio, one Solar Auxilia Hermes Veletaris Squadron unit can be included in place of one Solar Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section unit.
Am I reading this right that each Veletaris Tercio can only include one Hermes Squadron? Can the Squadron replace the one mandatory Storm Section in a Tercio or does it have to be one of the other two?
>>96089056So because you're down some converted characters and some individual models in units, you can't play the game?
The Emperor fuckin' forbid you tell your opponent the Sergeant leading your squad is modeled with weapons that are nominally different from their actual loadout, or that the hammers on your Suzerain are in fact axes.
I get that losing options for jetbike/terminator armor/jump packs on some characters is annoying. I have a terminator Primus Medicae that I won't be building any time soon. But there's a material difference between being UNABLE to play the game and being pissed off enough to not want to.
Any Dark Angels players making cool lists?
Oh, we're getting the new Skitarii unit on friday.
We were this close to greatness.
All we needed was a 2.5 edition that nerfed reactions, and dreadnoughts
Everything else was mostly fine, all other problems were much more minor, and could have been lived with.
Instead they destroyed everything that made the game fun.
What the fuck
>>96089142Actually the funniest comment on this thread.
>>96089159I bet you got all your boosters like a good boy
Does any one have the page that says you can only take 50% of your points in allied detachments?
>>96089142>that bald lil fucker Jeff Bezos is AlphariusWe've been had.
>>96089102Not necessary, atramentar in last esidtion were pretty much vanilla tartaros with deep strike (ok you could make very large units but they did not had any relevant special rule or gear)... now we have a prime slot that give a terminator unit or character deep strike (and impact initiative) that just so happe to be called Atramentar and an apex detachment that let us take 3 termy units all with prime slot specifically to give them the atrmatar buff (also called Atramentar hunt)...
So.. likely that this is it for Atramentars, they are simply regular termy with the given prime slot like IF Castellan is a regular centurion with a prime slot upgrade that give it some extra special rule and gear
>GW still doesn't know what the fuck to do with praetorian breachers
I'm tired, boss
Just make them vets
>>96089165They don't change the game to make it better, they change the game to justify the new edition.
Why does this have to be explained every time?
>>96088994>significantly worse than those numbers for anyone with 2" setup like move6 termiesThey are Setup 1", anon, because Cataphractii are Heavy sub-type (+1 to Cool but doesn't sum Initiative for setup).
So, the average charge for any of those Cataphractii elites is 5.46".
But, now charges are unaffected by Difficult terrain, right? Guess a rules writer failed a 3" charge against AL in dangerous terrain and began writing a subtle nerf.
>>96089196Sounds like Suzerain with extra steps
>>96089184>>96089102Yes, atramentar now are just "upgraded terminators" which is frankly a much better way of doing them than whatever the fuck they were thinking last edition. They are the NL terminator elite, the first company, and subsequently they are now the best NL terminators (or rather, upgraded NL terminators, contekar still exist and might be pretty good).
The atramentar benefits are also very relevant, even if youre a massive downer on deep strike going first on the charge when facing other similar units is big, NL thunder hammers go before anyone elses if the NL get the charge off.
It also lets your terminator command squad be atramentar, which is good for "yourguys" purposes, you dont need a separate unit with its own loadout, you can just have your elite terminators represent it with the gear you want them to have.
>>96089161I am working on a Dreadwing list for 2e. Lost of destroyers and phosphex, supported by a glaive
>>96089196You already have veteran breachers, theyre called praetorians.
Thats the issue with suzerains, theyre stuck between the regular version (breachers) and the high end version (suzerains) and end up as "slightly better but not really good yet" breachers which just isnt a very good place to be in.
>>96089222but in 2.0 they could take power fists.
>>96088522No shit, the glazing and gaslighting on that discord is cancerous. You know Goonhammer staff are jannies there, right? We literally quoted them and other CCs about taking clippers to our minis, or "just snap them!" and at least half a dozen got banned
>>96088968Thanks! Thought that was missing.
>>96089236And now they can take thunder hammers, which are better.
>>96089243>trude >special rules none heh
>>96089222And something you couldn't do in the last edition (unless you used Savatar)... you can associate a character to those termy and drop them toghether
>>96088820Still can, and if they are on a side objective you can even get a VP. Plus terrain blocks LoS. If your opponents whole army can see and shoot the furies with no other good targets then I can't help you. There's something else fundamentally wrong.
>>96088919-1D down to 0. So damage 3 will kill 2W models anyway. One test per attack.
>>96089250Yea, you can upgrade characters (so the centurion, dont think theres any way to give a praetor prime benefits currently, not for NL anyways) to be atramentar iirc.
Also sevatar could never deepstrike, he just unlocked DS for other units.
I do think DS is being slept on a little. Yes, its not what it was in 2.0, you cant try and ambush the enemy backline with a massive assault and try and sweep the game that way. but being able to drop your very slow terminators behind some cover near an objective is still pretty valuable, not having to walk is big when you only have m6" and the game lasts 4 turns.
>>96089235>>96089213The 2+ save and specialty wargear makes them closer to command squads than traditional breachers
>>96089159Alright threadshitter-kun, you've got your (you)s.
Now go back to the catalog.
>>96089247I'm getting the feeling you didn't read their 2.0 rules. They got those before too.
>>96089079Who you're so cool faggot, give me another (You)
>>96088820>I don't want to sacrifice them for vanguardGood, because dark furies dont have any. Them and dawnbringers have no special scoring rules.
The only special jump troops with vanguard are currently night raptors, with vanguard(4). However raptors are more expensive/less points efficient relative to their combat power than either furies (30ppm with two claws, which is a 10ppm upgrade for veterans) or dawnbreakers (25ppm with artificer armor, their grenades and a special spear).
>>96089275>There's something else fundamentally wrong.Deep strike
>>96089248Age of darkness discord my arse. They should call it what is is - the goonhammer schizo discord, but if they admitted their jannies are paid by GW they'd never get anyone to fucking join with realSnice running it
>>96089322Yes, they only lost their hammer thingy afaik
>>96088669>>Basically no rewards for chargingThe reward for charging is having your marines in combat, specifically the combat you picked for them to be in. Boo hoo, your terminators dont get a little pizza for getting into close combat where they do most of their damage, they only have their thunder hammers now, how terrible.
>>Marines overwatch on 5+ with Assault weaponsVolley fire, overwatch is different. But sure, bikes have good volley fire (either when charging or being charged), HSS have nothing.
>>If you have 3 Reaction Points, you can do 3 full BS OverwatchAnd if you reacted with a unit in any way you can no longer overwatch with it. If someone sits still and lets themselves be reliably engaged on to get more overwatches, thats their choice.
>>Heavy weapons can move and shootAnd be less effective than if they sat still.
>>96089292Maybe just one more, as a treat.
>>96089278I meant that you had to use Savatar in order to give yout OTHER character (in terminator armor) DS... Savatar despite being the commander of the Atramentar doesn't even havea terminator himslef ^^'
That said, I agree that DS is being understimated a bit too much, it obviously is not the "easy solutiong to get into melee" but with its exceptional accuracy it can let you drop a unit exactly on objective you can contend or on covered position you can spring an attack from on the next turn... it is especially interesting for Kontekar, popping on an occupied objective, lit it up with heavy flamers and look at the enemy flee from their panic-1 + fear LD check, paying you your vanguard VP plus the one VP from the now unoccupied objective
>>96089313>Them and dawnbringers have no special scoring rules.Master fo Signals to grant them Vanguard 1
>>96089319Then get a master of descent to strike them hidden turn 1 to have a 19+2d6(pick highest) threat range or just rush them up the board hidden. You can also put 5 in an Eagle to have something like 33+2d6 pick highest. Hell even a Spartan will fling them across the board. Dark Furies also auto pass dangerous. The are the best at actually getting in combat. Deepstriking a melee only unit turn 2 is a bad play.
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Army: Night Lords
Allegiance: ow the edge
2489 points
-Primary Detachment (1683)
[PRIME] Master of descent with trophies of judgment, disintegrator pistol, and chainglaive = 145
- Prime Advantage: Logistical Benefit (army vanguard)
Master of Descent with headsmanโs axe, trophies of judgment = 145
[PRIME] Despoiler Squad, sgt with chainglaive and hand flamer and trophies of judgement, 11 despoilers, 2 power axes, 2 hand flamers = 180
- Prime Advantage: Master Sgt
Terror Squad, 11 executioners, 12 rotor cannons = 301
Tactical Squad, sgt with chainglaive and combi-flamer, 11 legionaries, 11 chain bayonets = 167
Rhino with dozer blade and havoc launcher = 70
Rhino with dozer blade and havoc launcher = 70
Rhino with dozer blade and havoc launcher = 70
Rhino with dozer blade and havoc launcher = 70
Contekar, 10 contekar, 11 heavy flamers = 465
-Terror Assault Detachment (806)
[PRIME] Terror Squad, 11 executioners, 12 flamers = 301
- Prime Advantage: Combat Veterans
Night Raptors, 14 raptors, 15 thunder hammers = 550
>>96089278they're just a retard idea not "slept on"
They are expensive, miss half the 4-turn game if deepstriking, and being close and out of a transport opponent can either nuke them with their terminator-killing guns or just dump them with status which makes them strike last and possibly be immobilized, opponent has really easy charges to bully them or simply walking away since terminators are slow and have a pathetic charge distance nowhere near 12" anymore.
Your list is public knowledge so if you have 600+ points of harmless DS termies stuck off-board for multiple turns, opponent knows they can bully you off all 4 objectives while he's got 3000 points vs 2400 points and the terminators get 1 or 2 fights in the entire game since they dont even have one charge until turn 3.
Do we have pictures with Master of the Legion and Firestorm rules?
>>96089366>Then get a master of descent to strike them hidden turn 1 to have a 19+2d6(pick highest) threat range or just rush them up the board hiddenBut anon! what if I want to charge the HSS hugging the enemy board edge, rather than engage with the objectives that will actually decide the game? Why cant I charge the enemy artillery turn 2?
>>96089322sadly we have. there's two versions in different slots. the other one can't get different ranged weapons and is stuck with mauler bolt cannons
also they're bs3 now
>>96089401>50 points each>TS version is 80For why tho
>>96089429Because the tsons ones exist to chew on perils wounds for your psykers
>>96088418Look on the brightside, only 3 options left to lose!
>>96089278>1 Deepstrike per turn>Deepstrikes cannot charge on arrival>Cannot arrive in turn 1This means you can have at most 2 deepstrike melee units, arriving in turns 2 and 3 (the one arriving in turn 4 won't ever charge)
I must be missing something. Look at this Detachment. They will be arriving one by one, and the third one will only shoot. Which means it's Impact 1 can't ever proc.
Would it really be too bad to have sensible deepstrike rules? Can charge but must deploy in a ball. Deepstrike as many as you want, but you gotta roll reserves for each of them and they scatter, and scattering into things shall be lethal.
Would that be unfair?
>>96089386Tell me more about all those terminator killing guns anon, the ones that ignore LoS and are definetly always going to be in position.
>dump with status effectsterminators having really low CL of course.
>opponent will charge themOh no! however will terminators manage in MELEE COMBAT, thats the one thing I didnt want to happen to them!
>simply walking awayOff the objective? Okay?
>nowhere near 12" It wasnt anywhere near 12" on average last edition either. So that doesent matter.
>Your list is public knowledgeSo my opponent is going to list tailor?
>>96089397+1 reaction per turn
Volley fire at full BS
>>96089159>But there's a material difference between being UNABLE to play the game and being pissed off enough to not want to.No there isn't, dumbfaggot. You could play with paper circles. The only people "unable" to play would be due to disability or being incarcerated and shit.
>>96089398I'll permit chasing the HSS at the detriment of winning the game if it also grants you slay the warlord, but if you fail you have to write a sad poem about it.
>>96089401The hell is the other one? Blades and bolters? Bruh
>>96089451>Deepstrike as many as you want, but you gotta roll reserves for each of them and they scatter, and scattering into things shall be lethal.This is how it always should have been. Mishap and opponent places within 24".
To answer you question, master of descent to strike turn 1, auto pass turn 2 roll. Maybe auto pass turn 3 if the master is still alive. Load up on good shooting so they can commit by landing in objective control range. If you order your shooting well enough for them to kill the last model you can score off vanguard.
Is there a cap of points at where a 30k games can usually be played. The "Standard" is 3k points but I see some people saying aiming for a 6k collection is pretty standard.
>>96089460MotL and Firestorm
Thank you, Anon. I just thought maybe we have a picture of them. I remember seeing Firestorm but not MotL. I was doing a compilation of USRs like Aflame, Overwatch, and other ones that aren't in the rulebook screens.
>>96089451You know you can just NOT deep strike them right? And end up with a bunch of terminators+1 instead.
>you gotta roll reservesOr you can take an MoD and get them guaranteed turn 2.
You arent doing a "win the game with the alpha strike" doom assault with this detachment, youre taking better terminators and potentially having them show up in bad places for your opponent (which terminators can otherwise struggle to do, given theyre really slow).
>but they will only be charging turn 3"Are you getting terminators charging the backline turn 2? I somehow dont think so.
You set them up, threaten whatever is holding the objective and either force the enemy to abandon it (losing them points) or you come sweep them off it next turn. Cataphrachtii terminators are really difficult to remove this edition, theyre just really slow. Putting them in an awkward place for your opponent is going to be good.
>>960895293k standard, usually 4k total for options into whacky missions. If your group does long form campaigns where non basic units are unique copies that too.
>>96089529For any game you want to have options. Nothing kills a game's community quicker than a dude who gets a single 3k list and sticks with it forever getting pissed off because people worked out how to beat his gimmick.
Arms races are lame too so having a nice mix of units to pull from just works better IMO.
Source - my community at times.
>>96089451If you want deep strike melee buy a storm eagle
>Turn 1 reserve rolls>18" move after being put on the table>7" disembark>Assault vehicle, so at least 3" set up move, 4" for IC, 5" for SW>2D6 pick highest charge rangeEven if you roll double 1 for the charge that is a 29" guaranteed charge. Basically any enemy unit not hugging the rear edge of the board is in charge range.
>Also I just realised WS will be the kings of Rhino Rush>The +2 movement distance works for both the rhino and the unit disembarking from it>So that's a +4 to the total threat range
>>96089585>>The +2 movement distance works for both the rhino and the unit disembarking from itSo whats what, 25" + 2d6 pick the highest threat range? Gnarly. Despoilers in your ass turn 1.
>>96089367> I'm gonna convert all my models with wargear that isn't in the box
>>96089349It's a sidegrade, but without the advantage, the Active player can charge his unit into an equal and be rewarded with losing in his turn instead of the enemy's.
The moral of the story isn't "Pick your battles" and engage enemy ranged units with your own melee units
It is "Should've shot instead". Why wait to cross the battlefield to engage, when you can shoot the foe as soon as you see it? Just kidding: Heavy Cover Barrage go xD
>>96089585And remember medium terrain block LoS and interceptor is check at placement of the flyer along board edge before it moves.
You could also use Dreadclaws as they are flyers too. But for the $$$ Storm Eagles with defensive weapons to shoot as the drop off are better.
>>96089617Dreadclaw doesn't have assault vehicle though, so that's a disordered charge. Much less points though.
>>96089615Then dont charge equal units?
But also, "equal melee units" requires both players focus on melee, it means that battles between two melee armies are less determined by who got the first engagement off. Which is a difference but means little to "is melee weak or strong". One melee army in that situation loses out, one melee army in that situation benefits.
>The moral of the story isn't "Pick your battles" and engage enemy ranged units with your own melee unitsThat is literally the moral of the story. You dont need +1A from charging when you are fighting a unit that is never going to beat you.
>Why wait to cross the battlefield to engage, when you can shoot the foe as soon as you see it?Because melee damage output is, as always, far higher. A squad with 3A and power fists or thunder hammers is putting out 3x the damage of a lascannon HSS standing still.
Melee is as always high risk high reward.
>>96089162I don't believe you.
>>96089585Legion traits don't apply to vehicles
>>96089398>what if I want to charge the HSS hugging the enemy board edge, rather than engage with the objectives that will actually decide the game?I'd call you fluffy, I would. Fucking tunnel-vision two-faced birds lmao
>>96089657Oh, of course. No fun allowed.
>>96089528>The hell is the other one? Blades and bolters? Bruhyou're spot on, anon
>captcha GWYAKi, too yuck at GW, poor little captcha generator
anyone have the spartan sheet?
Survey time
>Your legion
>Your chastity cage size
Imperial Fists
Flat
We could've avoided all of this if we just let command squads take legion weapons as if they were centurions and deleted 90% of legion units
Do we know what armour breaker does?
>>96089727veterans, not command squads. Like 90% of legion special units could be removed, and then just have veterans or terminators have access to legion special weapons.
What's a good all round vehicle that isn't a transport?
Sabres look cute.
>>96089727But GW chose to remove wargear conceptually and turn single sheets into multiple sheets. Number of units wasn't an issue until they made it an issue.
>>96089740When I dared suggest this back during HH 1.0 anons wanted me drawn and quartered, then boiled alive and beheaded.
>>96089750Predators are a safe bet. Cheap as fuck, fairly durable. decent options.
Could someone post the Esoterist rules? My whole shitty theme relies on it
>>96089762>Auto-repair 4+Sheet.
>>96089777The detachment is upthread, tl;dr daemon brutes only
Have we seen the mauler bolt cannon?
>>96089386Cataphractii have always been almost useless without a delivery system. But didn't their transports get improved? Land Raiders used to be Reinforced, idk if they got any bonus this time around. Early "wait and see" anons were dooming saying LRs were going to be unstoppable before right about deploying their cargo.
Maybe failed charges won't be as punishing: Cataphractii are more resilient to many assault guns, and effectively have Coolness 9 - they are sure to pass the failed charge Stun test.
And now charging doesn't really grant much benefit anyways - the real danger is being engaged by the unit the opponent chooses, not so much being charged itself: his Cataphractii charging yours is pretty much the same as your Cataphractii charging his.
And you gotta smash cataphractii into one another. This is 30k :^)
>>96089460>Tell me more about all those terminator killing guns anon>the ones that ignore LoS and are definetly always going to be in position.NOBODY said their ignored LoS, you troon cocksucker. You can adress honest concerns without putting words into someone's mouth. You're lucky you can run your mouth here - your tranny lord would have muzzled you for less.
>>96089813>his Cataphractii charging yours is pretty much the same as your Cataphractii charging his.Unless hes NL, WE or EC (or you are).
>>96089813The cataphractii can now disembark after their transport moved at full speed, that alone is a fucking huge buff. That's 10" before disembark instead of 6"
Land raiders and spartans now have auto-repair 5+ and 4+ respectively,
>>96089776>predators>fairly durableThey aren't. They usually go pop in a single volley. They're even worse than I was expecting. I was thinking 6 wounds from their melta article but predators only have 5 wounds.
>>96089762Better auto-repair than 6+ seems to be pretty commons. I don't think stun locking a vehicle is going to be a easy as everyone was complaining about
>Quad Heavy Bolter SponsonsWhat are the odd that they start shipping these with the new sponson sprue?
It was weird that the old one had the twin las cannons from the land raiders
Do 3 jetbikes add anything for Tsons? I don't know if they're good in 3rd but there is a good deal for me
>>96089684>Firestorm Ah they're "come and get me" units
>>96089863You'll have access to a squad of jetbikes?
>>96089838>They usually go pop in a single volley.Yea, if that volley is 10 lascannons. A unit near 4x the cost of the predator firing at it should kill it.
Av3 is very durable now, at least vs conventional fire. Autocannons need 6s to glance it, missile launchers need 6s to pen. Even melta is going to be bouncing off that 13 a lot of the time. The days of anything and their mother being able to just beat it to death are gone, without dedicated AT weapons aimed its way the predator is going to be hard to kill.
>>96089876Are Skyhunters gone? Easy decision for me then
>>96089890>Are Skyhunters gone?No? Theyre still around as a unit.
Jetbike characters and command squads are gone though.
>>96089863I'm trying some with my TS myself. Mobility is king this edition and their dakka is pretty nice. Rhino rush will be huge,cbut that means units get stuck after jumping out so bikes flying around blasting seem interesting.
Where is it stated that we can't DeepStrike turn 1? I can't found it or might had read too fast
>>96089886>Can field 4 Predators for the points of one HSS using that one detachment>No longer vehicles squadron so the HSS can only shoot a single one each phaseDamn, time to paint those two additional predators...
>>96089636>disordered chargeTrading massive range in one turn for a step up which is usually 1-2". It's a consideration either way.
>>96089528Will have to do it like that. But as you said, that other way is how it should have been, and we're just not getting it
>>96089542>you can just NOT deep strike them right?Lol. Lmao. If you have deepstrike you gotta gooooo
>You arent doing a "win the game with the alpha strike" doom assault with this detachmentIt's literally what I want. Give me the alpha strike. Just don't call it "alpha strike". It's a retarded name and the AL are not claiming responsibility on this one
>Are you getting terminators charging the backline turn 2? I somehow dont think so.Not anymore, it seems
>>96089585Flyers somehow look complex yet interesting and engaging. Might actually try them out. Thanks, anon
>>96089938>Lol. Lmao. If you have deepstrike you gotta goooooNo you dont? You can just deploy normally.
>>96089401What does armour breaker and implacable advance do?
>>96089957Implacable advance lets you fire non-heavy weapons during volley fire, not just assault weapons.
>>96089957implacable lets you volley with non-heavy/ordanace weapons instead of only assault
armour breaker is an extra damage on a pen hit on a 4+ (i think 4+)
>>960898863 deathguard rapiers has a 83% chance to kill a 110 point predator instantly stepping out from a wall. They cost 195 points. Avg damage is 8 out of its 5 wounds.
2 rapiers is 130 and still has a 59% to pop the predator on turn 1 (5.3 avg hull inflicted)
>>96088930There is no valid reason to exclude these units from the core rules. Write up new characters / units / missions for the journals.
>>96089981Rapiers are so much easier to kill now. 3 rapiers dies to 3 lascannons. When shooting them the shots hit the rapiers first so i feel like thats a good trade for the pred
>>96089451No because GW hates us and fucks up the game on purpose
>>96089652>Because melee damage output is, as always, far higher. A squad with 3A and power fists or thunder hammers is putting out 3x the damage of a lascannon HSS standing still.Is Overwatch not considered to be stationary? My main worry is that en enemy can do Overwatch (stationary), then the Cataphractii unit will fail the charge, then the enemy can just shoot them again (stationary).
does anyone remember imgur album with new 4 pieces of terrain (from journal?) and additional mission?
>>96089758>drawn and quartered, then boiled alive and beheaded.This is a most british game, after all
>unit can't shoot during a reaction more than once per turn (i.e. you can still could still withdraw and return fire but not intercept and overwatch in the same turn)
>Heavy weapons and battle weapons fire snapshots during reactions (so vehicles get a slight buff)
>Brutal applies after saves
>All dreads but the Levi get a 3+ instead of a 2+
>Old WS chart
>New vehicle damage table:
1,2: no reactions for a turn
3,4: above + all shooting as snapshots for a turn
5,6: above + no movement for a turn
7+: D3 extra damage, if under 50% HP explodes completely
>Vehicle squadrons work like dread talons
Am I missing anything to make 2.0 less retarded? I'm just going to pretend 3.0 never happened
>>96089880He's comparing a predator to 3 times the points in lass cannon shots, which don't even kill the predator in one turn if it uses the smokescreen reaction
Don't listen to him
Wait, the reward for being a GW shill is a silly $300 box? I thought they were being paid like $50000-$100000. If that is the case why not just give your honest opinion?
>>96089991rapiers won't be getting shot by predators, they just stay out of sight then move-and-shoot to insta-kill the predator. All SM can move and shoot them, just deathguard get to keep Dmg3 even when moving. And if predator shoots at them, their reactions count as stationary dmg3 S10 armourbane.
In the rare situation a predator manages to surprise rapiers (basically never) they still leave a squad of space marines alive that can go do things. Reverse is not true, the normal situation is rapiers just one-shotting a predator and the predator owner having nothing left.
>>96090007Yes, if you fail a charge into lascannon HSS and they overwatch you then that will hurt. Have you considered simply not doing that?
Units can only react once per turn and cannot react if they have any statuses. Simply dont make risky charges into high damage (shooting) enemy units when they have reactions remaining and havent reacted with that unit/that unit doesent have a status effect.
>>96090031Because many of these people are so fucking pathetic the fact that a company recognizes them as a partner and gives them free shit so that they can claim they are sponsored or in the know has more clout in their mind then actually speaking what they truly think.
90% of influencers are nothing but prostitutes, these cheap whores sell their opinions and morality for a 300 dollar box of plastic.
>>96089834Ah there you have it. I don't think it's as bad. Rip Alpha strikers, though. Better buy those tran$ports!
>>96089824The weak should fear the strong, anon :^) Charge them to assert dominance (and deny their own charge bonus). They are tunnel-vision retards and would never dream of using the Evade reaction
>>96090029Neither 195 nor 130 is 3x 110, moron. Popping smokescreen reaction eats a reaction point, enjoy losing your army's chance to shoot back against shooters or against melee because you wanted your predator to keep 1-2 wounds left the first time it was shot at.
>>96090027>>Brutal applies after savesJust stop putting brutal on ID weapons, problem solved.
>All dreads but the Levi get a 3+ instead of a 2+I was thinking the same, but given they're no amazing in 3.0 and kept their armour, I wonder if there's another way.
>New vehicle damage table:My friends and I moved Explodes to an 8, made 7 a D3 extra hull points.
>>96090035not sure youve played a wargame before. on paper your chatting this shit. in game there are many ways this plan just fails and they die
Padro is sucking so much GW cock because he knows that he's going to hell where he's gonna suck Satan's dick just like his mom and dad, so he need practice
>>96089981>3 deathguard rapiers has a 83% chance to kill a 110 point predator instantly stepping out from a wall. They cost 195 points. Avg damage is 8 out of its 5 wounds.Add the smoke screen reaction and its even less. Which shows how thoroughly unimpressive lascannons (or the equivalent) are for killing predators. Even though they are many times the cost of a tank.
>>9609005050+50+250 is not 195 you retard
learn to math
>Using reactions costs reaction pointsNo shit
>>96089899>might had read too fastBro got White Scar eyes
>>96090057I haven't really been following the Pardo thing outside of him apparently doxing leakbro like a fag.
What else has he done?
>>96090054>I'm too stupid to argue, therefore I'll say something faggyI accept your resignation. But please do run 5 wound soft tanks in a move-and-shoot heavy weapons edition, it means more wins for everyone who isn't you - which are guaranteed to be less faggy people.
I think the biggest overlooked problem with the libers is how 90% of special characters outside primarchs do nothing for your army
>>96090061They're not even 2x the cost, that's not the definition of "many", retard-kun. And if you react by smoking you still take several wounds, often die, and aren't allowed to react again during enemy shooting phase so your predator isnt shooting back.
>>96090076Tard Death guard players xD
>>96090078Good. I'm fucking sick if named characters coming with a million special rules when in the lore they are just a random praetor that happened to have a story written about him
>>96090063Why are you quoting the cost of a HSS squad for a predator being killed by rapiers? Learn how to read.
>>96090084>and aren't allowed to react again during enemy shooting phase so your predator isnt shooting back.If you wanted the predator to shoot back you would simply have it shoot back, instead it gains a 5++ for the phase, just in case the enemy feels like spending 400pts trying to kill your 100pts tank, rather than 200.
>>96090074Made a smug little video saying to trust the plan
>>96090078That's an improvement. Named characters should be at most sidegrades to regular HQ choices.
>>96090098it's funny watching you pretend 130 is 400 because you have no argument at all
>>96090078Thats good. Named characters are just captains or praetors we know, theyre not actually special and shouldnt be special mechanically.
>>96090106Its funny watching you desperately jump between units trying to show how totally strong rapiers are when fighting a unit that outranges them and wipes them out in a volley on average (and which they struggle to kill).
>>96090027I like it anon, I'm going to use this too.
I will say deepstriking should be fixed too, maybe combining some of the rules from 1.0 and 2.0 would work to make it less braindead? Changing how augury scanners fuction would be a good idea too, they're far too cheap for something that's so effective at shutting down infiltrators and deepstriking
https://gofile (dot) io (slash) d/daK279
Era of Ruin
TQ: I play termite drills.
My entire gimmick is gone
>>96090021nvm i've found them
>>96071565
>>96090087>Eternal Warrior Deathshroud>Eternal Warrior 2 +1W Centurion (tougher than the Praetor himself)>Heavy weapons still count as stationary even after disembarking 4" from a RhinoAL may not be the only winners of 3.0, just saying
>>96090185well i play wb so ill say no more
It's unbelievably gay that you space Marine faggots get to play an interesting-looking ruleset, the descendant of the ruleset I started playing to play, and meanwhile my Tyranids have a choice between playing 40K or staying on the shelf (I have chosen the latter since the awful 8th edition era began).
GIVE ME MY RULES BACK FAGS
>>96090203>He missed 9th nids kinoIm sad for you anon, I really am
>>96090203We no longer have them.
The were taken from us, as they were from you.
>>96090185>>Eternal Warrior DeathshroudDeathshroud relied on Rad grenades to be able to compete with any other terminator, as their AP3 scythes sucked. At least they are wielding power axes now
>>96090203>noooo I can't play 4th or literally any other edition
>>96089401>there's two versions in different slots. the other one can't get different ranged weapons and is stuck with mauler bolt cannons, also they're bs3 nowcant the normal ones go up to a unitnof 10 which is just fucking stupid?
>>96087035 (OP)All my consuls and my veteran core are illegal so now I have tanks and dreadnoughts.
Now I have complained about this before but I will complain about it every time you ask and even though I've got support with sticking to 2.0 I'm gonna continue to complain about it.
>>96090185DG are the powergamer faction yet again. But it's primarily since they can move-and-shoot without losing 33%-50% of their weapon damage and nobody else can (since the count-as-stationary rule was removed from the game in HH3 and only gives other units "can volleyfire non-pistols and fail your charge" which is much less useful.
>>96090203there's nothing in any way interesting about HH3. Just play tyranids in 4th or 5th edition 40k if you want an interesting ruleset.
>>96090216Shocking that there has been 1 good tyranid codex in 20 years.
>>96090248That reminds me, I have the space marines 4th ed codex and the 4th ed CRB.
I might see if I can get some people to start playing it at my LGS.
>>96090297I don't think shooting infantry are going to be meta defining in 3.0. Lascannon HSS moving 4" a turn and still getting D2 isn't all that amazing. It's not bad or anything, but meta? Eeeh
>>96090185Deathshroud probably still lose to other comparable terminators in a fight, even with EW their weapons are just not super good. Will be tough to kill with shooting though (unless its melta).
>>96090216I know they were very powerful for a while, but it was still in the reroll x1000 dice blow each other off the board terrain doesn't matter edition. I only play wargames.
>>96090308>Autocannons get to ride 12" on a Rhino, then disembark 4" and still shoot 3 D2 Breaching 5+ shots>Same, but with Heavy (FP) TacticalsWhat does amazing look like for you?
>>96089652>Then dont charge equal units?Then why create an entire minigame around challenges and duels if nobody would want peer units in combat?
UPDATE: this edition has just entered TURBOFLOP status. It went from 15 copies to 14 copies remaining in last 3 days. And now people cancelled their preorders and it went back up to 19 copies. That's Negative 4 total sales in 3-4 days by a major US seller website at 15% discount
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>>96090382Good, maybe GW won't be such stupid cunts next time
>>96090382Dark Sphere gonna be panicking right now lmao
>>96090031>I thought they were being paid like $50000-$100000You thought people were getting six fucking figures to shill? Why would you think that? Are you retarded?
>>96090382God I wish this is true but I can't believe much with such a flimsy pool of info.
>>96090382Has this post been verified by True Allies of The Warmaster?
>>96090362What do challenges (which only require characters) have to do with peer units. Characters are and will remain very essential for every army.
You never wanted to fight peer opponents, that is always a bad idea to do because "peer" inherently implies that you are on an equal playing field. You want fights against weaker units, to punch down against things that cant fight back. Peer fights happen when those other options arent available, they are a suboptimal necessity.
>>96090358Don't forget S9 multimeltas. DG are surprisingly tech with how mobile the game has become.
>>96090319What would be comparable terminators in the first place? They are more expensive than normal Cataphractii but cheaper than actual Command Cataphractii
>>96090439>What would be comparable terminators in the first place?Other legion terminators I guess? Ebon Keshig and Gorgons maybe?
>>96088908Forgive poor photography, have a Colchisan Torquatii. Really like these fellas, so I might actually stick with em + WB.
Does anyone have the Librarian datasheet at hand?
>>96090382Let the table top BURN!
Does anyone have the page with Master of the Legion?
>>96090409"Lol" said James Workshop, "Lmao"
>>96090536No but an anon said last thread that it gives you +1 Reaction allotment now
>>96090519Is there anything stopping a SW army having one of these guys?
>>96090593running out of command slots
Humbly requesting the praetor and centurion sheets
>>96090648More lost flavour. Pass the salt.
Am I wrong or are some of the vanguard values stupid high? Like any of the vanguard(4) units basically win you the game if they ever get into a combat near an objective. 4VP given what the overall scores look like seems absurd.
>>96090677Probably because most games you'll only get your vanguard value one, maybe two times. Meanwhile each unit with Line squatting on an objective will out-earn units with Vanguard in two turns.
>>96090677Anon most objectives give 2-3 victory points base, more if you've got line
>>96090668Salt isn't released yet, have to wait until they release 'Journal Tactica: Horus Heresy Playerbase'
>>96090679>screenshot from tg posted on facebook only to be reposted on tgI hate you
saturnine terminators and dreads look ridiculous
>>96090693>Probably because most games you'll only get your vanguard value one, maybe two times.Thats fine? If some varangyr get 4VP (+ the 1 they gain from holding the objective which they will likely gain given theyve just swept the previous objective holder off) even once then thats already a giant swing in the game.
>but line units will eventually out earn themSure, but line units arent going to be given free reign to farm objectives, certainly not any that are actually being fought over.
>>96090705Exactly, its more than an objective is worth. It makes putting line units on an objective actively risky lest some asshole come and farm you.
>>96090465This will possibly sound lame as a compliment considering the model as a whole but the detailing on the banner, especially the highlighting in the red "box" parts on the banner for some reason really captured my eye as spot on.
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md5: 3866107eea6402e8e8a4993714dcb8e2
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does anyone have master of descent datasheet?
>>96090732Don't worry chum, shite terrain rules will ruin everyone's objective plans anyway
>>96090593Have we seen the Runecasting discipline?
It might be worth it
>>96090593>>96090668The same was true in 2.0
>>96090358They're range 36 and can't score very well, they don't really need to go anywhere.
>>96090720Life is a circle
>>96090775They get a stun power template that looks decent.
And a reaction power that makes the unit shooting at the rune priest's unit snap shot for the entire phase which seems great, especially when the rune priest is WP 10 not 9 like a normie librarian
He also comes with a frost axe and a force staff for some reason. But better than that he comes with hatred (psyker) which is pretty funny
>>96090593The SW variant has +1 WP and a frost axe. That's probably worth the 25p
>>96090775Yea, its okay. Gets a power that can make someone shooting at a nearby friendly unit snapshoot. Also some shooting which is whatever.
>>96090755Itโs not lame anon. I actually think my highlighting is still really rough and not great, so I appreciate you saying that.
What is the legion equipment list?
>>96090720We are the culture
>>96090800Nuncio voxes and augury scanners
10p each
>>96090414the discountgames numbers are screenshotted each thread for the last few days and you can view them on their own website. It's negative-four sold this half week.
Everybody you have time to get your preorders cancelled before launch!
>>96090810Appreciate it anon
Fingers crossed for bargain bin MKII in the future
>>96090831just be patient and you receive. Considering they're selling a negative number of boxes last few days, if GW ever prints a 2nd wave the extra supply will crash prices to like $170-180.
>>96087097not being funny but these guys are just ranting unscripted into their microphones, I really wish they'd take the time to script their videos and not just ramble.
Also they could edit out all the breathing and lip smacking sounds as well, like fucks sake just get a pop filter.
>>96090855anon we are talking about the launch box not rapiers and turrets.
>>96090855you have to click preorders to view preorders
>>96090814I've never heard of discount games before in my life
Miniature Market doesn't have pre-orders up yet
Warpfire is sold out
Each eBay listing for pre-orders is around 11-15 sold
I don't have a horse in this race, but the last time anyone pointed out the numbers not adding up with the narrative being pushed, we all got called a bunch of jewish shills so whatever the case is, it's just rage bait before anything else
>>96090855Did you pick a store that isnt even selling the box, or is there a second discountgames?
>>96090864Thats the front page dumbass, the launch box isnt there. Thats what im showing.
>>96090865Theres only one presale ite, this aint it.
>>96090766*deep strikes 1" away from enemy models, table edges, and/or impassable terrain on turn 1 in ur path*
>>96090870You are a shill with a horse in being a faggot, go suck a dick elsewhere, gayboy.
>>96090886Yeah, see
These niggers just want to get mad, who cares about the facts. Narrative is everything, and they'll bark like the dogs that they are when directed to.
>>96090876preorder is a separate section on top of the website, not on the left of the website. Each 3rd party website is made by people bad at programming
>>96090879Many kisses King, thanks!
>>96090870NO NO NO NO DELETE THIS
>>96090901Oh okay. Yea it says 19 left there.
WHY IS THERE A SEPARATE PRESALE DROPDOWN IF THE HH SECTION HAS A PRESALE TAG
>>96090876this is what it currently is
negative 4 main box sales recently. Seems not many people cancelled their codex orders since only retarded people preordered the codex in the first place.
They've sold 16 of 20 codex in the last week.
>>96090879That's pretty good
The way people were talking about him before it gave me the impression that he comes down alone
He can actually take the unit he joins with him.
That's a lot more useful
>>96090886Fuck off tourist
Do I start collecting a new Legion? Dubs, trips or posts ending in 0 selects.
>>96090870Anon, why did you have to look at other sites selling saturnine? You're ruining the narrative!
>>96088079had this happen to me, iirc I had to go in and manually select the mail carrier (ukrposhta) and then enter the tracking #.
>>96090941Alpha Legion. Join the meme side, we have wargear options.
>>96090921Its ok anon, it gets people all the time but yeah its fucking bad.
>>96090941new? What do you play?
>>96090943>miniature market doesn't even sell saturnine preorders because nobody wants itSATURNINE MASSIVE SUCCESS!
Forget that it's selling zero copies!
We were always at war with Eurasia!
>>96090784Mostly for hiding from anti-infantry fire inside a Rhino and for getting to comfy vantage points
But the same can be applied to Tacticals, who do score great and do need to go everywhere
>>96090409>>96090398>>96090393>>96090382Remember to never buy a single GW Product.
>>96087095Disintegrator rifles on this unit seem pretty good
They don't kill themselves when rolling a 1 and they are pretty mobile
>>96090792The "Psyker" type -:CBA looking, does it apply to all TS?
>>96090963>โprint better designsโ>posts worse cad shit that reads as generic shit people make to copy gwAnon I get what you mean but damn
>>96090982TS army trait makes every single person in their army into a psyker, so yes he hates all nerds.
>>96088079Black legion market are unironically so dogshit. Ordered some vorax from them and it took twice as long as GW would have, the resin smelled of petroleum by the time it landed on my door and almost everything was practically unusable. Any attempt to contact them was met with radio silence, fucking bastards truly. The Chinese have been much more reliable when it comes to such dealings
So is Legions Imperialis getting new updates and minis or was it dead in the water?
>>96090998It's getting something but that could be as little as a campaign book.
>>96090998it was a financial disaster and will never be supported by GW. Quietly cancelled in a couple years
Biggest deal-breaker is it has zero play on GW terrain sets and nobody is gonna buy the $400 of tiny buildings needed for a dead game. And if they are gonna 3d print terrain they'll be 3d printing an army not paying $500 for imperialis trash sculpts
>>96090998It got mecanicum added, didn't it?
>>96090994So one to lead every blob of Slayers is still a good idea.
>>96090941The Salamanders welcome you
>>96091033>sorry, we know you were hoping to be a Sons of Horus, but you've suddenly been recruited into a different legion.>what?! I wanted to be one of the badass Wolf Warriors!>This isn't a discussion. Your orders are to report to the Salamanders, you're a n*gga Harry!
>>96090963Great anon, why don't you post a link to the private groups that release scans so people can do this!
Great news, everyone! I have devised a list for Xth buddies.
Army: Iron Hands
Allegiance: I MISS MY NIGGA FERRUS
2500 points
-Primary Detachment (1520)
[PRIME] Centurion with thunder hammer and boarding shield = 100
- Prime Advantage: Paragon of Battle
[PRIME] Immortal squad, sgt with thunder hammer, 19 immortals, 2 gravguns = 355
- Prime Advantage: Combat veterans
Immortal squad, sgt with thunder hammer, 19 immortals, 2 gravguns = 355
Immortal squad, sgt with thunder hammer, 19 immortals, 2 gravguns = 355
Immortal squad, sgt with thunder hammer, 19 immortals, 2 gravguns = 355
-Tactical Support Detachment (710)
Immortal squad, sgt with thunder hammer, 19 immortals, 2 gravguns = 355
Immortal squad, sgt with thunder hammer, 19 immortals, 2 gravguns = 355
-Apothecarion Detachment (270)
[PRIME] Apothecary with Thunder Hammer = 45 points
- Prime Advantage: Combat veterans
Apothecary with Thunder Hammer = 45 points
Apothecary with Thunder Hammer = 45 points
Apothecary with Thunder Hammer = 45 points
Apothecary with Thunder Hammer = 45 points
Apothecary with Thunder Hammer = 45 points
>>96091016GW really leans way to heavily on their reputation when they price these experimental launches
>>96091061>3.0 listOh anon i think you are in the wrong thread, you are looking for /40kg/ this is HH we play 1.0 and 2.0 here.
>>96091033>>96091039>>96091042>>96091056Hope you like painting flames, my nigga.
>>96090995feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see other people discuss these guys in /hhg/, I've literally never had a bad order from them. Is it cause I'm from the good ol' US of A or something? Want to make a good impression so we keep sending them missiles?
>>96091016Real shame because the game actually plays really well. I think the fuck up they made was making it HH.
If LI was just launched as EPIC, and included orks, nids, eldar, crons, and Chaos, it would have been a fucking SMASH.
>>96091076hh 2.0 was shit. Levels below 1.0
Grow up Faggot
>>96087733Lmao, Triari stay winning.
>I draw a line through the corners of the tank.>The shock prow extends a couple of inches beyond the corners.>My opponent has to be well behind the transverse centreline of the vehicle to *not* be able to see a part of the hull that is in the front arc.Enjoy shooting AV14 when the side is dominating your vision, kek.
>>96090879>Attach a Master of Descent to a Tartaros Atramentar unit so they deepstrike turn 1>Embark another Atramentar in a Drop Mission <- these guys can charge turn 1>Deepstrike the other two Atramentar in turns 2 and 3Or maybe have the Master of Descent in a Land Raider, then bring 2 Atramentar turn 2? Idk
>>96091078The 2 orders I placed with them have been good and arrived decently quickly. I placed an order with dark miniatures and it took 90 days to ship, the few $ saved wasn't worth the wait.
>>96091061>>96083927I can't believe apothecaries of all people get to have access to melee weapons
2W and 2A too, even with how bad the reaction is, 30-45p is pretty reasonable for one of these guys
>>96091072like the game flopped so hard it was 25% off on a third party website and the prices still were ridiculous. 1 table of terrain is I believe 4 megasets that are like $200 each.
I think Battlefleet Gothic released at $80 back in the day with 2 fleets, the book, paper terrain planets, the missile and fighter and bomber tokens to play it. That's how you get people into a hobby not with $800 of terrain needed without even giving them an army or books.
Rules might even be good but I'm not even reading them because it will only make me angry if they're better than 40k, considering no one will ever play a game of imperialis requiring new tiny terrain and not their real armies.
>>96091101Anon . . .
He can only DS t1 if he's in an anti-grav unit
>>96090679>Saturnine Preorders 15>2 days later>Saturnine Preorders 14>1 day later>Saturnine Preorders 19Horus victory looms over us all! The Laws of Causality have separated! Time no longer has meaning! Clocks are running backwards!
The end and the death is upon Horus Heresy 3.0!
>>96091132Oh well, NL are the raptor legion anyways.
>>96091103apothecary isn't about the reaction, it's the narthecium which lets one status test per turn dispel easier. (dispelling an immobilize from melee infantry is mandatory, or stopping snapshots from your lascannon line)
>>96091147>deepstriking a 3+ save no invulnerables melee unit which won't be able to chargeIt's free real estate.
>>96091177Yes anon, you can't shoot through terrain, but you can fly over it.
DS on a ruin and the enemy can't do anything about it
Next turn you charge them after moving way more than they do
>>96091177Deepstriking units can still shoot, and a praetorian jump command squad can have disnitegrator rifles or combi-flamers
>>96091103Why not? Apothecaries have had access to power weapons since 1.0
>>96091191Heavy Cover is specifically an optional rule the opponent must agree to using and zero people will be playing with it. If you add Heavy Cover zones to the board they'll run Rapier batteries with indirect fire inside them and your raptors can literally never shoot and literally never charge them (even charging requires vision)
So yeah, ZERO chance of your plan not auto-losing for you.
>>96090998I would actually love to get into epic scale but when the minis look like this I get triggered
Is there anything that says you actually need to have a warlord to take the warlord detachments?
The text I find in these pages just mentions the other 2
It technically doesn't even say you can take the warlord detachment at all
>>96091206>ZERO chance of your plan not auto-losing for youAnd I'm sure you're basing this off all the games of 3.0 you've played, which is how many again?
>>96091206You can't shoot through medium cover wither if it goes more than 3" through it
>>96091208They are being distorted by the warp
>>96091206Medium blocks LoS too, and it's only 3". You don't have to even be behind it. Everyone is going to use medium for ruins to avoid planet bowling ball.
should I buy a brass scorpion
>>96091216I mean you don't have to, but why are you wasting a detachment just for a retinue and heavy transport?
>Checking the Heresy discussions on other sites.
>Go to twXtter.
>No one is talking about the rules or how badly GW fucked customisation.
>Instead the usual suspects are arguing about gendered language in the Astartes creation process and Fem-Astartes.
Guess that was my fault for expecting anything resembling brains from that website.
>>96091231Sure
if you like it
>>96087985Did you have a stroke?
>>96091218Don't be fucking stupid, nobody is gonna play that shit game you shill.
>>96091218Warhammer has been around 50 years. You being a chimpanzee who can't play the game out with full rulebook already released and full stats for everything released is just a problem with your smooth brain. A few things have changed, but none of them help with retards who think raptor deepstrike is an actual list.
>>96091244If you think that then why are you butting into rules conversations about it? Your faggy opinions add nothing.
>>96091243Sorry, I used AI to write it. Felt on theme.
>>96091216it's either spelled out in obtusely labyrinthine language somewhere else in the book or not addressed at all. I don't think the rules team thought someone might game the system and not take a primarch and just spam the slots for Command Squads and Spartans
>>96091239Those are additional detachments and you can just take them, Superheavies can only total 25% of your army and allied 50% are the only known restrictions.
>>96091216Additional are freebies you can always just keep taking. It's not worded well.
>>96091239Retinues are very good for their points and easy ways to top off a list without sacrificing a a prime for logistics. It's also an easy way to get a land raider for termis depending on detachments.
How badly do you think they will fuck up custodes?
What's going on with 3.0? Every time I take a gander at HH I just see that your rules seem cool and your models are really nice, but I hear 3.0 is bad for some reason. Why? Bad ruleset?
>>96091218>And I'm sure you're basing this off all the games of 3.0 you've played, which is how many again?>"Your steak sir">It's a plate of shit>"That's not steak, it's shit.">"How do you know if you haven't taken a bite?"
>>96091245>Warhammer has been around 50 years.So? D&D has been around 50 years too, and if you give AD&D 1e to a 5e DM it'll be useless because the philosophies the systems are built on are divergent, if not directly opposed. White room nogames retards such as yourselves are worthless.
>>96091240Xitter, pronounced shitter, is all about algo boosting keywords into hot topic convos. You attract bots to help boost and such. It should be burned.
>>96091291incredibly bad rules, yes. And most of the fluffy and interesting rules from HH1 and HH2 were removed in HH3, like the night faction cannot have night battles ever again.
>>96091293>scat analogyquality >>>/v/ posts
>Veletarii storm axes are I-1 A2 S+2 AP3 D1 Breach 5+ Shred 5+ as a 5 point upgrade on 10 point models
They're made of god damn paper but they hit surprisingly hard for their cost.
>>96091282>It's not worded well.Really? What a suprisjt8mje.
>>96091231Yes, my shadowsword needs prey
>>96091289I think it'll be binary
A frail ruleset or one that just stomps through games
>>96091289probably massively. Expect half your army to be removed from the game. GW will take this chance to seprate warhammer40k custodes from warhamemr30k custodes, with separate kits and no crossover.
>>96091291Core rules, if you remove the 30k skin look fun in isolation. The issue stems from what was lost; flavor, soul, vibes etc and actual options that were part of collections since 2011. So over a decade of viability. All this to turn into a 3 year churn cycle for profits. Yes Legacies will help, but how much is yet to be seen
>>960912893.0 is already dead. GW will be forced to discontinue all support for HH before the Custodes liber is out. It's over.
>>96091302night fighting made no sense. The retard night lords forcing other legions to fight at night makes no sense. awful example
>>96091331>GW will take this chance to seprate warhammer40k custodes from warhamemr30k custodes, with separate kits and no crossover.So no change at all? We could never take the 40k units.
>>96091342>why don't the nightlords patiently wait to attack until the sun rises, this makes no sense!!!You really should have been an abortion.
>>96091323Knowing nuGW I actually expect the custodes to be non binary...
>>96091291The core rules are absolutely functional mechanically.
Issue is that the legiones astartes have been violated by GW haphazardly cutting wargear options.
Its AOS 4.0 all over again.
>>96091240>Thinking the freaks on twitter can stop talking about mental illness- I mean "genders" for even a secondFor real, bro?
>>96091356the core rules are functional and a 0/10 trash game.
>>96091347salty night lord faggot.
>>96091334>Core rules, if you remove the 30k skin look fun in isolation.Least obvious paid GW shill
>>96091334I agree and this seems to be the consensus from people who played it. It's a fun game but too much was sacrificed. It's all about scoring and line, a proper 30k format and it's overshadowed by shallow missions and trash Libers.
It's funny really, all the anti-GW /v/-niggers are so obnoxious and overbearing over anyone not totally hating 3.0 than I'm starting to warm up to it out of spite.
Battletech and Tranch Crusade are for faggots btw.
>>96091319The one good thing I hope comes out of 3.0 crashing is maybe seeing the refreshed baneblade kit that's showing it's age, and have the stormblade included.
>>96091387>Game not worth the cost to become what it is>Sh-shill!Easy killer, I'm condemning it, not condoning it.
>>96091354Oh don't worry - we'll identify with exactly what they're telling us to be -
NON-BUYNARY!
>>96091393it's not a fun game. It's a 4 turn length walk onto circles and nothing fun happens game.
>>96091364The game itself looks pretty fun so long as you dont play space marines in the game ABOUT space marines which is extremely funny.
The mortal armies all look pretty entertaining, I really don't know what the fuck happened here where a line command section can have a bespoke special rule that buffs multiple rifle squads but chaplains don't even have hatred anymore.
>>96091354Isn't the one in Martian Civil War implied to be? It's definitely a they/them
>>96090766i do but not the AI slop go back a few Heresies with the right pic and ill share
>>96091393also, you have to be incredibly gullible retarded to take "a consensus" of paid youtubers that GW has made thousands of dollars for
They are literally incapable of calling a GW game not fun. If they did, they wouldn't receive thousands of dollars of bribes each year.
>>96091354I'd really expect the mechanicum to be the ones abandoning gender and sex as abstract concepts and not the Custard creams.
>>96091432How am I supposed to know?
I don't read the books.
>>96091423Such an obvious nogames take. The new missions in 2.0 were 4 turns and they are well received. Vehicles and shuffling troops are faster than ever with the new movement and disembark rules. And there is progressive scoring. If you do nothing you'll lose immediately because scoring and line is so important and vanguard allows come backs and rewards counter play. It's a good core but that's not good enough. 3.0 is still a net loss.
>>96091437I'm not listening to their "overall positive" bs takes. Those are obviously fake. My take is overall negative, but I can recognize the good in the bad. Something can suck overall but have have some good features that weren't good enough to outweigh the bad. That's where I am at. 3.0 is tragic.
>>96091265>allied 50%I also haven't seen that written. Maybe it's in rhat page?
>>96090031You don't get just one, you get a bunch (over time). More importantly you get it early so you can make youtube slop.
>>96091289I can't imagine how they could not fuck them up with so many multi damage weapons. Their one saving grace before was how diffixult it was to ID them but that's not the case anymore. There's even ap2 multidamage guns now
>>96090031they're given dozens of boxes and pre-release views give them $10,000+. The second they say something negative, GW kicks them out of the pre-release program and they lose $10,000+ of youtube views and never get free boxes again.
>>96091497damn I wonder what happened to her
>>96091527Give them all EW
>>96090963hey pal
you got a link to any of the 1.0 or 2.0 books?
>>96091527odds are they'll get EW, even world eater terminators have EW
>>96091449mechanicus worships the machine god, so non-Binary is an unforgivable sin. What are you suggesting for them, hexidecimal? Disgusting.
Someone the other day pointed out that autocannons are better than plasma guns now and I wish the hadn't because they're right and autocannons are.
>>96091527>literally all custodes get EW1>Tribunes get EW2 About what I expect.
>>96091564Gosh, maybe that is why autocannons cost twice as much as plasma guns?
>>96091354cucktodes have always been gay, op
They deleted Hammer of Warth rule? No impact hits on charge for big guys ? :(
>>96091586Don't mind it honestly. Have seen like five marines die to hammer of wrath in three years of playing.
>>96091435>smug faggot morally posturing about AI while illegally sharing copyrighted material>and he already got ninja'dKWAB
>>96091208Yeah I have 2 of the mechanicum sets and they don't nearly have this level of problems
Knights can't make allies, but can you ally-in knights? I want to take my Asterius but I don't want to play just knights.
>>96091527Moving them up to 3w would basically leave them the same since all the weapons they would survive before (hammers, fists, lascannons) are D2.
>>96091597what's up fellow 30 year old?
>>96091610Yes, LOW detachment can be a different faction.
>>96091595Well, yesterday my Iron Circle opened a Predator tank, 9 s7 autohits vs av13.
3x6's. Didnt even had to bother using their hammers (pun).
>>96091554The mechanicum aren't competent enough to use base 2 or base 16, they're probably neck deep in multiple competing esoteric meme bases made by bored cryptographers as performance art during the DAOT.
>>96091536iirc she got married and got a kid
>>96091618Oh hell yes, thanks. No tanks since there's no prime slot there but I'll take it.
>>96091626That's just vehicles being vehicles, made of paper
>>96091631>that time that Arkhan Land's chimpanzee screeched and the skitarii heard machine-code so pure they thought it was the voice of god itselfMechanicum confirmed inferior at programming to monkeys.
>>96091538>>96091549>>96091565>>960916113W and EW1 does sound like something they could put on them but they'd probably need to be more expensive.
Even then Plasma would be pretty good against them
Is there any reason why your primary army can't be say one rhino and the rest all be allies of a different faction? Or something that might make more sense crunch-wise but also be ridiculous. Like one centurion and Lorgar being the primary army, custards making up the majority of the force, and then a bonus knight or something?
>>96091652I highly doubt theyre getting both. It would be either/or. Or alternatively they, like all the various automata, get cheaper.
>>96091658You can only spend 50% on allies.
>>96091652There's only like 10k tarts total in the entire galaxy, they'll probably be like 50 ppm.
Being able to fifteen tacticals for the price of a minimum squad of 3 guards sounds about right.
>>96091658Only limitation is that no more than 50% of your total points can be allies.
That's still a lot of Exodii
>>96091670That's what they are now i think
>>96091611>Add Damage values>Up wounds to compensate>Now we need to up damage to compensateI feel like I've seen this one before...
>>96091641Land was built different, I could absolutely believe he taught a monkey how to code.
>>9609168330k will hit 40k within 6 years. They've already gotten rid of deepstrike scatter and added mobile heavy weapons and weapon damage and non-true-line-of-sight and removed options.
If you're disappointed now, imagine in 3 years when templates go or when strength wounds any toughness on 6+ and vehicles become toughness (they already share Status Effects with infantry now in preparation)
someone convince me not to
>>96091710Why would you want Tartaros that can't run power fists?
>>96091683Except now meltaguns still oneshot while bolters/d1 weapons need 3 hits. So you end up with an added granularity where different weapons will have different kill thresholds, rather than "one wound or oneshot"
The goal isnt to drastically alter how weapons work, fists getting d2 isnt supposed to be a buff for fists which is then undermined by some other model not being oneshot by the new rules, its to allow for weapons to work around "big models with lots of wounds" better. This however means that "intermediate" models which previously relied on skirting the system might need to be adjusted (although given gal vorbak remained the same as they were, they might not even do that).
>>96091710>a melee leviathan with WS4 footslogging that dies on turn 1Great Valueโข
>>96091710We might be getting new Tartaros terminators announced this Friday retard. Don't buy anything until then.
>>96091716Tartaros move faster than Cataphractii.
>>96091727Is the one with ranged weapons that much better? I was torn on which one to get.
>>96091729Okay, I'll wait on those, I guess I should probably just wait until Friday before buying anything...
>>96091683>>Now we need to up damage to compensateWhy? What do you think the purpose of damage values was? To let fists oneshot custodians?
Damage was introduced because of how problematic certain big non-vehicle models (automata, dreads, big demons) were. It allows for lascannons or the like to not need to pincushion certain units in comical fashion before they die. If this introduction means that some models have to be adjusted to remain within their usual TTK then thats fine and wouldnt be something that needs further adjustment to fix.
Do we have the rules for joining allied units? Like the allied matrix?
The Overseer mentions being able to join SA without fucking up their stat but idk what the base rule of that looks like
>>96091703Next edition will see the removal of templates or armor facing.
>>96091754I don't think there's any ally matrix equivalent, it seems like there's just a flat penalty for joining squads of other factions.
>>96091747(brutal was an attempt to do this in 2.0, but brutal was badly handled and just ended up being its own problem).
Damage also allows for "Big gun kill big thing bigly" guns to work, so weapons which would otherwise represent their added firepower with more shots can instead simply deal massive overkill damage (making them suitable for single targets but less viable into multiple smaller targets). Which fixes stuff like the gravis meltas being one size fits all solutions to everything in the game.
Vindicators also become decent at vehicle damage now, because you can simply hit something for (6) rather than dealing a single hull point and being unable to explode the enemy.
>>96091746well it only walks 6", in charges only goes 1"+1d6 (so never can charge even 7.1" away) and has WS4 so it hits on 5+ and enemies hit it on 3+ in melee. Sounds truly dogshit for 220 points. I don't know if shooting one is bad but it can't be worse than the melee one, BS4 at least hits on 3+ not 5+ and its horrible charge distance doesnt matter there at least.
>>96091786they did make the storm cannon breaching 5 so the shooting is much better
>>96091177Dang you're right. Unironically I don't want to deepstrike if I'm forced to hide for a turn like those anons advise
Disregard the master of descent, what are some shooty units I could deepstrike? Idk who gets Drop Pods anyways, seeing how Dedicated Transports are not a thing anymore
Can I just drop pod whatever I wish this time around?
>>96091795The stormcannons already were rending 5+ but had 6 shots, rather than 4 shots +1 from Heavy.
>>96091799Looks like it, yes.
>>96091795graviton with S7 5" pinning(2) and shock(pinning) and breaching 6+ with 2 dmg if it stands still could situationally be useful immobilizing someone's entire melee terminator blob or 20man despoilers trying to get to an objective.
Definitely more useful than taking 2 fists stumbling a few inches, failing to charge and then enemy shooting it to pieces then charge in and bully the WS4.
>>96091786>I don't know if shooting one is badIt isnt. Storm cannon is insane, 5 shots D2 breaching(5+).
>>96091795>>96091804The storm cannon needed to deal 2 wounds per veteran/terminator, now its one. It also deals double damage to other dreads/automata. Its a very potent weapon now. IF rifleman dreads will be a nightmare.
>>960917996 Saturnine termies + Praetor
>>96091799If you want to DS with night lords use their dedicated heavy weapon terminators, contekar. Drop some in, volkite/flamer a unit to death, charge something else next turn.
Raptors can make it up the board fine without deepstrike anyways.
>>96091799>Can I just drop pod whatever I wish this time around?Yup.
Drop a 10 man melta TSS right behind the rear armor of a tank you dont like. Have fun.
>>96091831Thatll be 800pts please
>>96091799>if I'm forced to hide for a turnBut it's turn 1 if you use jump , which you're doing anyway. This way it's way up the board or side for people turn 2. Deploying on the board gives your opponent more time to shuffle away.
>>96091852800 pts that must be answered, as the have more than enough to kill anything that moves (and DS units can still shoot so they can definitely kill something)
>>96091799As long as theyโre not bulky, i think any infantry gan go in a pod
>>96091868>as the have more than enough to kill anything that movesAnd themselves. And with m5 (and their special rules) theyre going to be staying exactly where they landed for the rest of the game.
>>96091652And a Reaping 1 weapon. Fuck the Deathguard
>>96091874If theyโre landing near an objective, thats probably fine
>>96091868Saturnine DS sounds like you are not gona find anything worth killing to make those point back desu
Are you guys allowing Saturnine models in 2.0 and 1.0 armies?
>>96091828that's not actually very good.
8 autocannon shots with +1 breaching and 24" instead of 48" range for 250 points.
260 is a full 4man Rapiers with 8 laser destroyer shots, 36" instead of 24" range S10 instead of S7, AP2 instead of bad AP and being forced to rely on breaching5+.
Leviathan puts out miniscule damage, its only good thing is it's T8 instead of T6. But it puts out like 1/4th the damage of actual shooty squads for the cost.
>>96091786Dread melee doesn't seem all that useful these days unless your fighting other dreads/automata. The guns are pretty nice tho.
>>96091883Why would I allow one of the worst things coming out of 3.0?
>>96091883No, anyone who buys saturnine box is to be shamed for paying GW money to kill our game off with 3 year slop cycle.
>>96091747I really thought Lascannons were going to be S9 D2 Heavy(Str) for some reason lol
>>96091786It's a Heavy Walker, so I think it can't Rush either? Also, is Rush M+Init?
>>96091897I would have if it were mkiv or vi instead of ii.
>>96091904S10 lascannons are a thing they're just on Rapiers called laser destroyers so you have to buy a new kit even though you gave GW money for lascannon sprues last year.
>>96091884And that it can move around without needing to worry, making its lower range a moot thing, and the fact that it doesent die whenever something looks at it thanks to t8 2+ 5++
>>960918844 rapier laser destroyers also get to shoot exactly once before your opponent dumpsters them. A leviathan is much more likely to survive 2 to 3 turns on a decent board.
>>96091920Rapiers already existed anon. They were good last edition too, I was (still am) building some for my night lords.
At most they are now optimal vs HSS, but thats frankly debatable.
>>96091831I'm going to load up on double disintegrators and kill myself. And then they'll open fire.
>>96091883No but no one in the group wants them so it's a non problem.
>>96091917I believe rush is just add your initiative to your movement. Heavy models can't rush at all and they charge worse (using only their movement to determine SetUp range and not movement+initiative like normal models)
>>96091929Sucks that the rapiers die first from shooting now. Used to be a huge benefit that you could just remove 3 crew as casualties before the rapier squad started losing firepower, but that's gone.
>>96091939I hope to god storm sections lose heavy or axe boys will be completely useless.
>>96091942Yup, It was gamey but it made them very durable vs shooting since it took 3 lascannons before any rapiers go down. Now they do just keep over vs any sort of heavy shooting.
Theyre more durable vs light arms though (I think) and their guns are still really good, so id say theyre still worth it.
>>96091948But they can charge out of their Dracosans now, right? I hope that's better than the previous HIDE FOR YOUR LIVES way of setting up charges before
>>96091958Yes, you can now charge out of any transport (provided it didnt DS)
>>96091958Correct. Just park the dracosan right next to whatever you want to charge and go here's Johnny!
>>96091501Community article said that, so who knows if it actually is written somewhere or they just intended for it to be a thing and forgot to write it down.
>>96091564Autocannon edition go!
>>96091575Cost the same as their plasma cannon equivalents, actually. Raise your autocannon TARIFF all you like, anon. Fact remains fluff wise a plasma weapon should be better than its autogun equivalent. No amount of points is going to fix that fact mwahaha
>>96091974Plasma cannons haven't been good since ever anon. The discussion was about plasma guns.
>>96088703>>96091216Tax-free Retinue + Land Raider is the best detachment ever
>>96087999It is my favorite
>>96091754None
Stick your tactical support squads in an arvus
>>96091996Transport rules say only units of the same faction can board a transport.
>>96091974>when points represent balance and not logisticsMy hate for gamification continues
>>96091996I'm not sure you can embark on transports from other factions, let alone of different army lists
>>96091754Now that Warlord Traits are gone, is there even a reason to try legion combos?
Though I do have a soft spot for NL. They are fast and have Fear auras. Not sure what they would get from other legions, actually
>>96092009Never heard you complain when thunder hammers only cost 5 points more than a power fist, despite being vastly less common.
>>96092017Nta, I bitched day and night about that
>>96092027Lies. Been frequenting /hhg/ since the heady days of HH 1st edition, and have never seen any post complaining about thunder hammer point cost not reflecting their rarity in the slightest.
>>96092013>Not sure what they would get from other legions, actuallyTsons rending(5+) autocannons.
>>96092017You have no idea what I complained about. I am not a gestalt of a foe you imagine on tg.
>>96091958Charging out of dracosans is nice but it means you're spending like, 500 points on a less durable land raider filled with T3 W1 4+ bodies who die to anything stronger than small arms fire and will only ever get 1 charge with their power axes.
Your probably better off continuing to hide them honestly. Accept whatever turn 1 charge bullshit marines deliver you then counter attack with the axemen.
Or just do the same thing with Charonites way more effectively and let the Veletarii stick to CHOOMing line infantry off of objectives. They even give you VP for that now. Drop them out of a pig somewhere unpleasant turn 2 as a ghetto deepstrike.
Rarity should have no impact on points when every army can include multiple praetors in a standard game. That shit is way rarer than 10 thunder hammers.
Hey guys, I'm a retard
From what I remember, in 2.0 you can see something you can shoot it
Can someone explain the line of sight thing in 3.0 in a way my retard brain can understand?
>>96092042Actual cancer unit with a MoS to grant them Vanguard 1
>>96092055Where are you lost?
>>96092055HH2 if one marine is visible and 9 are behind a house, you open fire and 1 marine dies. HH3 if one marine is visible and 9 behind a house, you open fire and all 10 can die even if 9 are out of sight behind a mountain
>>960920551. draw line between 2 models from above
2. if at least 3" of this line is interrupted by a single piece of terrain, you cant see it, even if the model physically can (i.e window)
>>96092069I see, thanks
Seems like a way to mitigate the new dumb terrain/cover rules
>>96092055>the line of sight thing in 3.0 in a way my retard brain can understand?For seeing people? Its the same, if you can draw LoS you can shoot them
Some terrain now counts as blocking LoS even if you can physically see through it. If something is heavy or medium terrain then it blocks LoS even if there is a gap which lets you see the foot on that marine over there;.
For shooting at people? You can now kill anyone in a unit you can fire at, not just the people you can see. If you can see one dude you can kill the whole unit.
>>96092040Oh, in HH1? No, I'm not sure I bitched there. +5 pts netted a basically useless bonus then, so I focused by bitching elsewhere. I apologize, have a nice evening.
>>96092054>when every army can include multiple praetors in a standard gamewhich they basically cant any more. You need to use a prime slot to do it and the prime slot is basically "special mission" showing its not a usual thing.
>>96092054Aren't you restricted to, like, two Praetors tops? And it uses up a Special Assignment prime.
Man, it is so weird that you can give a Centurion what is basically a warlord trait, but not a Praetor
>>96092058I was there when anon post the shoulder pads.
>>96092047I haven't seen Storm Veletarii stats, I was just excited that they can now charge from a transport.
Say, can an Arvus be selected for Drop Mission so Veletarii (or Ogryn) charge from a deepstriking flyer?
>>96092042Yea but they can do that by themselves on a TS allied detachment
It needs to be some legion specific thing that becomes really good with that power
Can't think of any atm
>>96092098Those were silly times, anon. Maybe even whack.
Guys, is melta worse now? 1/3 range for melta instead of 1/2?
>>96092096Cuz it's to make them more on par with a praetor without letting you take another
>>96092123Simpler times....
>>96092128>Melta being 8" instead of 12" is a 4" difference covered by the DG traitOnce again, it is a Death Guard edition. Everyone else is just living in it :^)
>>96092128The basic melta profile is already very good
>>96091347But anon, when we rolled off, it was determined that you were the defender. So why did I attack the Night Lords at night?
I cant tell if this is good or not. Pinning before the shooting phase seems good. It also seems to be before intercept? But man, BS2 and d3 for each attack is a tough sell.
>>960921595D3 attacks. One Use Only.
You're not a true HH 1.0 oldfag unless you understand the joke here.
I see a lot of Pinning 1. Is there no Pinning 0? That is, a pinning test at no innate debuff
>>96092191The joke is anons hailing 1.0 "pieplate" as the superior edition lol
>>96092159Now that Ramming no longer causes a fall back in the movement phase, Deathstorms might be the single way to impose a status on a unit before the shooting phase.
>>96092147Because they weren't available for a battle during the day.
>>96092193Yes, I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple like that but don't remember what.
>>96092170I know, d3 for each of them.
>>96092174Yeah... What if instead of d3 it were blast?
Ideally for me it would be Pinning 0 and way more shots if its one use, like d6+3 at BS4
>>96092208It was the superior edition, if you played the superior army.
God I miss nuking terminator squads with AP2 pie-plates
>>96092232Speaking of Medusas, what are the rules for the Solar Aux's artillery this edition?
>>96092114I have no idea honestly. I also haven't seen Veletarii stats, my comments are just speculation based on 2.0 datasheets and the marine Volkite chargers which we HAVE seen, as well as unsubstantiated rumours I've seen online.
Since volkite chargers are Assault weapons there's probably some game in declaring max range charges to cheat out extra snapshots every turn and provide some last ditch support fire when they get jumped by despoilers or Assault marines.
>>96092232Marines got so turbo fucked by that even in 3.0 SA doesn't get an ap 3 large blast.
Interesting, so you have to keep attempting to get into b2b if you aren't. So if combats go on long enough they could get wider. You can't keep a front row in b2b if you can help it, its not a you may.
>>96092271The Basilisk is S10 AP4 D??? pinning (1) Ordnance (R) breaching (6). It is still paying for the sins of 1.0.
We have no idea what the medusa Mortar is doing but I guarantee you right now what its not doing and thats AP2.
I really want to switch my 40 tacticals from MK6 to MK2, but I'd feel like I wasted money because I have the IW heads on all of them.
>>96092276>1.0 Aux was so strong their artillery is still shit 3 years later because the playtesters are still traumatised.
>>96092314Why switch? Just get more. Consume.
>>96092320The whole
>Too good must suck next edition(s)Is such a prime example of glaring incompetence.
>>96092320To be fair iron warriors laser guided medusas and admech interceping medusas and vindicators/demolisher ruases/dracosans were all problems for anyone hoping to run infantry.
When even fucking custodes die 2/3 of the time and you're coping 10+ 5" prelates turn 1 it's a rough time.
Less 3.0 looming, more models nerds.
>shitty rules are fleeting, modelling is eternal
Next squad of goons finished and ready to kill.
>>96092310Dusa is 36" 1 shot str 5 (ord) ap4 d2 5" barrage 2 breaching 5+ pinning 2
>>96092365Picking up a 40k land raider and some of the new mk2 marines for my next projects.
>>96092367Why the fuck does it get weaker if you drive it?
>>96092365My models are on the way, I need to plan my basing scheme.
>>96092361It is yeah, Barrage AP2 pie plates are OP as shit in any context and deserved to get old yella'd. I'd never deny that.
I just wish the pendulum didn't swing so far in the other direction. The medusa is currently 200 points for a S9 AP4 rending 6+ 5" blast. Its pathetic.
>>96092381>Anon, obviously muh realism!1 The tank can aim better when stationary as it is a more stable platform dontcha know!!>But how does that make the explosion better?>Better aim!!!!!1>But that doesn't make the explosive yield bigger>Better AIM! Everything I bring it up
>>96092373Nice anon.
I also still really like the 40k land raider. Bonus points if you get the mk2b fw kit though.
>>96092384What army are you getting, and what are you thinking of for basing?
why did horus heresy never get its own mordheim game set in ivastan
>>96092367Where did you learn this? GW hasn't shown shit and I haven't seen a datasheet yet.
Pinning 2 would be pretty big honestly.
>>96092418Guy in the HH discord has the book and is willing to answer questions.
>>96092365>>96092367I'm thinking 20 Assaults with Combat Shields, 8 Heavy Chaxes, 11 Chaxes, and a Pfist sgt might get some mileage at 355 points
>>96092408Emperor's Children, I'm completely undecided.
>>96092421Wish he was also willing to post images, loyalists, traitors and Mechanicum have already leaked more or less entirely so he might as well.
>>96092429>8 heavy chainaxes Have fun with your illegal loadout in 4th edition lol
>>96092367Barrage only auto scatters if you can't draw LOS to your target right? If you can see them you roll it hit as normal?
>>96092442I've got 3.027 years to worry about that!
>>96092433Desert bases look good with EC imo, or some other fairly neutral basing colours, like urban grey
>>96092159Pinning is NO-MOVE, so there's nearly zero reason it matters that it's before the shooting phase.
The ones that'd matter in shooting phase are NO-REACTIONs and SNAPSHOT-SHOOTING, but neither of those come from deathstorm.
>>96092431https://discord.gg/hh-age-of-darkness
>>96092409It did
Victory is Vengeance
Book 3 page 164
>>96092159I can't really see much extra utility to the shooting being in the movement phase besides guys who get bonuses vs units with statuses on them.
Inflicting any status at all is universally good because it means that unit is non-scoring and hits at I1, but potentially getting it in the movement phase doesn't seem to have any extra gimmick to it
>>96092404>Barrage AP2 pie plates are OP as shitAre they, though, now that Instant Death is gone?
Phosphex, Panic 3 as it may be, is AP3 now. It kills power armoured marines and does nothing to terminators
It if was AP2, it would still kill marines, and terminators would get to tank it on their 4++ and 2W
Does the ally detachment get their own Legion Trait? read the allies army building article and the pages I've got saved and none mention it.
>>96092569>>96092492Well shit. They really phoned it in then huh? The changes it would need to be at least ok exceed my willingness to homebrew something that is a support slot.
>>96092577Phospex has breaching.
>>96092599It's not that pinning is bad, but BS2 one-shot isn't exactly amazing
Deathstorms have never really been meta afaik
>>96092613They were ok in 2e. It could fire multiple times with a check. But combo 1 use with BS2 and its a losing proposition.
>>96092159Pinning a unit means it can't use a movement reaction to run away as your units close in. Or that evade reaction that lets a unit move away from a unit trying to charge it. Definitely has some pretty nice utility to set up close-range shooting or melee units.
>>96092620Don't deep strikes all happen at the end of the movement phase? They would have already react-moved by then if they were going to
I could be completely wrong
>>96087089In real life, the bodyguards of heads of state oftentimes have much better gear than soldiers. Plus, Necromunda is one of the wealthiest worlds in the Imperium, Helmawr can afford it.
>>96092517You mean the one with this as the owner lmao. No thanks
>>96087268Yeah, have you seen their reaction?
>>96087089Those are the highest ranking officers of the ruling planetary governor's own house on a hive world that has a broken-but-sorta-functional STC, Necrons, Men of Iron, rogue chaos space marines leading cults, unique genestealer species, and nobility that are so obscenely rich and so bored that they surgically implant themselves into nearly marine-tier power suits just to go murder criminals for sport.
Having a shitty version of the show-off explodey gun that kills ones own soldiers is pretty in character
>>96092627No that's in 40k. In HH reserves arrive before any units move.
>>96092667Got it, thank you
>>96092640I bet he fucking looks like a walrus
>>96092672It can also be used as a 90 points roadblock, even if it doesn't manage to pin a single unit. Drop it down right in front of the enemy spartan with terminator deathstar unit, and they gotta move all the way around it. They can't destroy it before their movement phase, except with the Intercept reaction which is snap-shots now.
>>96092647if they use disintegrators, even the overloads hit the target!
>>96092698You wish he was that beautiful lmfao
>>96092704Holy crap, that means IF saturnine terminators with dual heavy disintegrators can't miss a single shot when using the reaction. Talk about efficiency!
>>96092600How much breaching
>>96092707What? Has he posted selfies in the secret Troon channel?
>>96092627I think deepstrikes don't allow for Evade. Only Intercept
Would alternating activations have been better for HH?
>>96092704Overload specifically says if you meet the bracketed number your model is hit instead
>>96092753>Be BS5>Shoot overload 2>Kill yourself
>>96092733Alt activations, reverse Initiative Move, normal order Shooting
>>96092733Just do what their apocalypse release several years ago did.
Remove casualties at the end of the battle round
>>96092733No, because you still get your best unit blown out by his best shooting unit in that first activation. People like to tout that AA doesn't work because of "much game size" or "muh time wasted" but forget to mention that it's usually not possible to load as much killing power into one unit as you can in Warhammer games.
>>96092373Fellow Iron Warrior.
How many points is that?
>>96092758panic(3) is fucking wild.
>>96092776Ah right so instead of getting my best unit blown up turn 1 I get half my units blown up turn 1
Or I blow up half my opponent's units turn 1
Depending on the dice roll of course
>>96092758Most of them are 3" blast. How many is it really hitting? Blasts may scatter less, but even if it scored 7 hits at AP2, they would be lucky to kill one terminator
>>96092769This is definitely the best way to do it for shooting, but I'm unsure about melee.
The stupid turret in Saturnine is the main thing stopping me from buying it, honestly.
I hate having models that I don't intend to ever use.
>>96092784Warcrimes are scary alright. Did you know there's some areas around the border between France and Belgium that are still too toxic to visit from chemical weapons used in WW 1?
>>96092794What if they are scenery? Then someone eyes it up and buys it from you
>>96092784What does it do?
>>96092794Large models you don't want to use are excellent fodder for terrain.
>>96092753The joke is the IF reaction can only target itself, so even this hits hit your models.
>>96092800>>96092803God damn it you guys are right, I should just use it as terrain.
>>96092801It forces a cool test to fall back. It's falling back what I don't remember what does, besides fighting last. There's no Sweep Advances after all
>>96092794I love terrain being included in boxes, doesn't have to actually be a unit in your army or anything
>>96092794It does provide a 5+ invulnerable save to all models within 3" though, pretty nice to keep your HSS alive...
>>96092801forces a rout check or whatever the fuck its called at a -3 modifier. i.e. a normal squad of marines would have a ld of 5.
Working on some tanks today, how are you guys doing?
>>96092780Roughly 3500 in 2.0 points.
>>96089655This never gets old
>>96091096>t. Senor Pieplatespam TSons Custardplayer III, Esq
>>96091482But those aren't good features. The "all about scoring & line" angle is bollocks because it's nu40K-style scoring where you stand on the magic glowing points-farm so your score goes up like a fucking videogame. It's yet another aspect of the experience that has changed from from abstracted simulationism to gamey trash designed for phone game-addled zoomiefaggot ADHD brains. It explicitly rewards the most braindead "tactics" of just advancing straight at the magic glowy circle and moshpitting on them until one side is wiped out, while punishing the kind of careful planning and maneuver that used to allow you to draw your opponent out of position and then pounce and seize obectives later in the game if your force didn't have the staying power to hold them from the start.
Nothing about 3.0 is an improvement, even the things fagfluencers are being paid to present as such.
>>96091536Married a bong, moved to a farm in Ye Olde English Countryside and started popping out sprogs. Jessie still orbits her via a podcast.
>>96091703>non-true-line-of-sightBut that's the one good thing, they're fixing Fagatori's shitty addition to the game. TLOS is bad and has always been bad.
>>96092733AA is never better, for any system, and exists purely for ADHD-addled retards who don't have the mental capacity to think ahead.
>>96094207ok but where's crendor
>>96092801Forces a panic test at -3 (on top of any other modifiers). You can make a primarch run using this thing. Not often (not without further modifiers) but they go to a value where they can fail. Add some fear from whatever and they go to LD8 vs this shit.
>>96094512Still doing youtube videos I think. Theyre still vaguely friends and do podcasts and stuff together I believe.
>>96087800Yes without the high suicide rate
>>96087673At this point I hope they do female astartes, accelerate GW's downfall. Go woke go broke. Thanks Larry Fink.
>>96091301It is much better since Musk bought it but still has it's problems.
>>96095853>problems@grok how would this guy do at handling a bbc?
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