Thread 96093577

Siege of Middenheim Edition

Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H
>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip
>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/
>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL
>FAQ/Errata
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wgp83jlw/old-world-faq-and-errata-designers-notes/

>Previous Thread:
>>96082634

>Thread Question:
Do you have a favourite Warhammer fantasy artist? Share some pieces!

>>96093467
Dope conversion. Post when you finish the rider too.

>TQ
Soboro

>>96093596
Is this porn?

>>96093643
That one in particular? Probably not. Stole it from imaginary warhammer. He does do smut though.

>>96093194
Unfortunately, Doombull doesn't have access to the Lore of Beasts, only the Lore of Battle Magic or the Lore of Dark Magic. I guess he can spam Hammerhand, might be powerful too.

Also where is the Preyton?

>>96093667
This is a reply to >>96093161 post

>>96093667
The Preyton has laid himself down and will not rise again,
The Lord of Kullab will not rise again;
He overcame evil, he will not come again;
Though he was strong of arm he will not rise again;
He had wisdom and a comely face, he will not come again;
He is gone into the mountain, he will not come again;
On the bed of fate he lies, he will not rise again,
Front the couch of many colours he will not come again.

>>96093587
Will do. Maybe tomorrow.

>>96093577 (OP)
Is there any non-Western work that inspired you make an Old World army? After reading Goblins doing bad stuff to people who had it coming it, I'm interested in building a Goblin army just to see how much I can Min/Max these little bastards.

>>96088180
>>96088195
>>96088204
>>96090033
>So Cathay might be... slightly overtuned. You may have a full six non-character options currently, but they compensated for a lack of versatility with raw power. Many of your units and weapons are stuffed with high stats and rules for their points costs, such as a low cost magic item that give strikes first, Jade Warriors being Empire State Troops while having heavy armor, WS4 and unique rules, and Miao Ying only being 30 points more than Orion while being WAY better. You most certainly have "New Army Powercreep" syndrome, good luck finding anyone who will play with you or a tournament who won't ban you. Its possible to play sub-optimal armies, either by taking allies who kinda suck for thematic reasons, smaller units, or playing without a wizard since you only have two choices for one, but showing up with four or five Imperial Knight-sized minis and big blocks of infantry lead by someone who would have Sorcerer levels in D&D might lose you friends.

>https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Warhammer/Old_World_Tactics/Grand_Cathay

Can you people please make up your fucking mind of whether or not Cathay is overpowered?

>>96093667
>Also where is the Preyton?
Who?

>>96093667
>>96093677
Good point I didnt think of that, it does spell out battle/dark only. I think even without mantle or lore spells, can't hurt to chuck hammerhands or doombolts for 35pts and if I'm playing oops all cows let's be honest I'm not playing for max efficency. Or spend the pts elsewhere but you can't have great brays anyways.

So many tutorials on how to paint Caucasian skin tone ogres but I can't seem to find a good guide on how to paint the 6th edition pale blue/green ogre skin.

Working on my Spawn!
What are you guys wokring on?

What's up with the Beastmen around the Black Water? This Beastmen map shows the area as infested but I can't find any information on them, all the conflicts there seem to be Greenskins and Skaven.

>>96094053
>no beastmen in Tilea and Estalia
Man, are they really that irrelevant that not even the designated nameless fodder army gives a shit about them?

>>96094041
working on my forest dragon and glade lord

>>96094078
Beastmen tend to live in woods. Tilea and estalia aren’t heavily forested like the empire.

>>96094017
Look up Sons of Horus armour guides. Some of the lighter ones will be the right colour

>>96094112
Neither is Araby and yet they're infested.

>>96094041
Finished my 16 glade guard and am waiting for my 20mm.to 25mm trays to arrive before finishing basing. For now onto 5 glade riders to brush up (literally) on horse painting before wild riders and thorns.

>>96094017
Did you check the White Dwarfs from when the Ogres Kingdom firs came out ?

>>96094053
Anti Harmony map, delete it.

>>96094129
They are actually slaves beastwomen.

>>96094017
As others have mentioned, check out White Dwarf #301.

>>96094017
>>96094223

>>96094041
I'd like to finally finish the cavalry unit this week

>you lose a combat
>you move back 2 inches
>the unit that just beat you in combat gets to charge you again, all bonuses included
why do TOWroons think this is some revolutionary mechanic

>>96094185
Basado.

>>96093577 (OP)
Siege of Middenheim Edition

Back when WFB lore was better

>>96094326

Storm of Chaos was better than what came after, but I'd struggle to call it good. The buildup was good for the most part

>>96094341
you can't possibly have a good world war warhammer campaign in a single book

>>96094235
Thanks for reminding me to buy the cathay box in few days once the paycheck comes

Whats the deal with Sea Wardens of Cothique? Any good? Does pastebin anon plan on getting

>>96094517
Have fun! I already finished my first unit of jade warriors.

>>96094526
I thought he already posted it?
in any case have this if you want to check it out https://gofile.io/d/jnQ9RN

>>96094526
It's fine, but it's just a splatbook for Cothiqu,e so unless you want to set an adventure specifically in that kingdom, you can probably avoid it
It's interesting just how different the Dwarf and Elf book for WFRP ended up being

>>96094017
Watch tutorials for the Flesh Eater Courts (the Hollowmourne skin tone, not the Morgaunt skin tone)

>>96094560
Lots of fishy stuff

>>96094658
and I like this plothook very much, the suggestion that aenarion may reincarnate into one of his descendants should they pick up the blade is perfect for fixing some nonsensical end times shenanigans (such as malekith being recognised as the rightful ruler regardless of his past) or introducing new ones (such as morathi pushing someone to pick up the sword to have aenarion back with her)

>>96094670
also new grudge material just dropped

>>96094658
Well, it is Cothique they are all about fish and the sea

>>96094658
>lost city
I was kinda expecting mentions of fishmen or fishelves

>>96093667
My dad works at Games Workshop and I told him to rip the preyton mould a little bit more every time you ask about it

>>96094708
im not sure WFRP has really ever mentioned Fishmen there more of a WFB joke

>>96094715
What's the difference? They're mentioned in the lustrian supplement.

>>96094675
also elf with gun confirmed, occasionally

>>96094053
It's absolutely saturated in warpstone, so maybe there's a constant process of new beastmen being corrupted from people and animals in the area.

>basically all of Araby dark black
Or maybe brown people are technically beastmen and the Black Water is settled by Albanians?

>>96094078
it's just because otherwise the "old world" text wouldn't fit and be legible

>>96094249
That is one wild cannon

>>96094758
Give them a few centuries.

>>96094804
It's an upscaled cannon from Turnip28

Morathi raiding Cothique is new right ?

>>96094916
maybe
I think that was done so none of the book contents could be useful to GM setting a game during TOW's time period, and instead C7 will publish a different book for TOW RPG if they ever bother developing Ulthuan during that period.

>>96094916
>Norsecan army
Cult of pleasure should return.

>>96094928
Now that's more like it.

Does anyone have an old metal big hat Chorf army? You should post it

I wish it was me ...

>>96095076
>Deadnaming malekith

>>96095076
Zuvassin is powerful enough to have daemons?

Is this still a viable way to dwarf?

>>96095256
torpedo got nerfed hard and you need a couple of gyros

How do the recent rules changes affect empire armies?

>>96095219
you don't need to be that powerful to have demons

>>96095334
belacuck sisters...

>>96095338
He can brand mortals and other demons, and uplift his own princelings at the very least, so if he can't make demons of his own, it might be mostly due to the curse and limits placed on him.

>>96095256
>Prime entire army black
>Give a few sprays of pink from airbrush

Brilliant painting

>>96095710
In fairness to the anon you can clearly see the models on the left are well painted

>>96094262
Incorrect, if you just give ground the victor isn't considered to have charged

>>96095756
It's dawi after dark's tourneyfag army.

>>96096008
i don't know who that is and i don't care

>>96094993
My buddy runs a list, it's pretty fun albeit anointed are too cheap using old rules so we just took them to 1 attack base.

>>96095076
>N'kari confirmed a retard
kek

>>96096278
He gave them the fuckup demons on purpose so whatever plan the dark elves have fails.

>>96093596
Based

Hi /wfg/. I have a 500 point event day coming up with 4 games using Seize the Tower limitations.

I am in a conundrum at the moment.

Here is what I have

Aspiring Champion, Great weapon, Shield, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne], General, Favour of the Gods - 91
4 Chaos Knights, Lances, Shields, Mark of Khorne - 124
10 Chaos Warriors, Shields, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne] - 160
8 Chaos Marauders, Flails, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne], Skirmishers - 64
5 Chaos Warhounds - 30
5 Chaos Warhounds - 30

499 points

My conundrum is: Do i drop 2 chaos warriors for a fifth Knight? 5 knights gives them a much stronger field advantage but the warriors lose valuable bodies once the inevitable damage comes in.

Inversely, 4 knights is a bit squishy but 10 Warriors with the hero can cause big damage.

Thoughts?

>TLDR

5 knights and 8 warriors or 4 knights and 10 warriors?

>>96094262
Mr no games they don’t count as having charged when that happens. Learn to read.

>>96093711
PIC related.
The book itself is very western but the subject matter isn't.
It really got me in the mood for an properly run empire army where those unfit for its betterment are purged out and sent to the dark forest for work.

>>96094126
>>96094169
>>96094223
>>96094226
>>96094614
Thanks for all the tips/help guys!

>>96093751
the general consensus among the batrep channels who have been playing it is that specific elements within the army are strong, but when taken as a whole, the army is just "pretty good"

>>96097322
The only thing that’s really broken in the book is the balloons. They are far too cheap and far too good. The shugengen is mediocre, Miao is a tough to use tech piece, the cannons are really expensive. It’s really not as good as you’d think.

>>96097434
This is just like so many vidya. Character looks OP as fuck on paper but in practice has one thing going for it but is otherwise quite crap.

>>96097322
If paid shills, tourneyfags think it's merely "pretty good" then it's a solid sign Cathay is OP and/or retarded to play against.

>>96093596
>alt timeline where Karl and his son are killed and his daughter is elected Empress
I'm gonna fucking coom

>>96097549
No that's an alt timeline where Karl is Karla

>>96097549
The title of emperor is not heritable.

>>96094091
Nice

>>96097586
>Wilhelm III
>Matthias IV
>Mattheus II
>Luitpold
>Karl-Franz

The Habsbu- I mean Holswig-Schliesteins disagree.
Probably a while before Alia would be electable though. She's probably about 13 during the End Times.
Alberich Haupt-Anderssen is a 15-year-old Elector in 2512 though, although I doubt he's winning an election.

>>96097677
The last time someone tried to put a teenage girl on the throne the empire fell apart for a over 400 years.

>>96094249
Nice

>>96097182
It's a FIVE HUNDRED POINT event you little faggot.
How about you take shit you think is cool and FULLY PAINT AND BASE IT ALL.
Jesus you disgusting min maxing faggots ruin EVERY fucking game. Just take what's cool, PAINT IT ALL, and play. I repeat, you are trying to maximize your advantage at a FIVE HUNDRED POINT LEVEL GAME.
Fuck off BACK to 40k

>>96097696
Not really her fault the Grand Theogonist was a heckin' misogynist (I always though his objection was pretty weird considering that there had been loads of Empresses by that point, although admittedly they included the rebellious and anti-Sigmarite Ottilia and Bloody Beatrice the Monumentally Cruel).

Magritta seems like a pretty standard ruler, really.

>>96097434
>>96097452
and i really most normal people are not going to field more than 0-1 balloon. its $200 for a 100pt model, i think thats gonna turn a lot of people off or at least make it prohibitive for most people to spam.

like, even just hitting the rule of 3 limit for balloons you're $500 in the hole and not even 1/4 of your points.

>>96097828
Events are going to limit them because they are, in fact, too good and too cheap, so anyone who drops a grand on them won't ever get to play them anyway.

>>96095256
Looks like a lazy base coat and dip job, finished with some really bad looking airbrush work.
Does it look better in person?

The brave prince Florian and Gnarles, mighty treeman, rush to stop the evil count Luthor's befouling of the woods.

>>96097866
That vampire has no bees-knees in those woods!
Cool shit anon.

>>96097851
yeah thats why i was referencing the rule of 3 limit, which is technically a house rule for ToW, but i dont think most people are even going to hit that. i think you may see 1 in the average list, and i would not be surprised if a lot of people just straight up skip it, it costs as much as a whole battalion box, they might just get a second battalion box instead.

it might cause a fuss at a big event where waacfags arent beyond dropping $500 for some stupid jank or printing it, but i dont think you're gonna see that at normal tables.

>>96094041
Questing knights champion.

>>96097823
>Bloody Beatrice the Monumentally Cruel.
wasn't she empress later on?

>>96096478
Yes, and that's why he's a retard. Zuvassin fucks up ALL plans. N'kari's plan to fuck up the dark elves' plan is in as much danger of fucking up as the dark elves' is. If not more so, given N'kari is actually counting on the Zuvassin's daemons to do what they are supposed to do.

>>96094262
LOL AoSbabby filtered by rules that take longer than 5 minutes to read

>>96094262
charge me again you say? wonderful.

>>96097866
I dig it anon.
>>96097878
Indeed, they're skull knees as you can plainly see.

>>96097908
No, she was during the Age of Wars so she predates Ottilia, even.

>>96097866
Kino

>>96097866
A giant bee is a very scary concept. Excellent work, anon! That crypt is very pretty and so too is everything else in your photograph.

>>96095076
>being a milking slave to sexy dark elven women
Oh.

>>96094041

Chaos dwarf warriors. I think I'll paint the horns brass instead of bone.

>>96094235
Is there a Games Day Archaon on foot stl somewhere?

>>96097677
>Probably a while before Alia would be electable though.
I doubt that there's an age limit on that. GW is never going to delver deeper into topics like this, but if we go by the HRE system then you don't need to be a specific age to be elected... you just have to be a man (or boy in younger cases). Henry IV was just three years old when he became emperor-elect.

>>96097696
>>96097823
>>96097908
>>96098002
I think this is one of those lore tidbits that shows how bad GW is at sticking to a specific canon for their own settings. The one that came up with the Three Emperors shit went with the assumption that emperors can generally only really be men, and the writers behind other lore information either disregarded it or (most likely) didn't bother to read what was established before.

Virtually all the emperors of note besides the Ottilians (the Maria Theresas of this empire?) were men, with Beatrice being a very late RPG addition.

That statue is crap by the way.

>>96096023
Do you also not know who donald trump is?

>>96098254
>besides the Ottilians
My bad, I forgot about the Marienburg claimants.

>>96097182
Feels like 5x2 warriors is much better than 8x1, but attack wise 8x1 is 16 attacks vs 15 of 5x2...2 w, maybe +1 rank for 1 less attack sounds better unless you're certain you can consistently get the 8 to charge in which case shoring up heavy cav is good.

>>96098254
By 'electable' I meant 'the electors would vote for them'. But I guess there are always political reasons they may want to elect a child into office (controllability etc).

Beatrice isn't a late addition, she's from the Genevieve books (mentioned alongside Hjalmar the Tyrannical). So I think she might even predate the 'no Empresses' reasoning for the anarchy. I don't remember off the top of my head whether she's dated in the books, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Age of Wars reference came from there - Kim Newman was generally pretty good at making concrete details.

GW has long needed an autistic background czar to organise things on a high level, but Andy Law is a liability and half the studio authors can't be bothered to look something up on the wiki before writing about it so here we are.

>>96098101
cool! Where are the bodies from?

I think brass would work better. Maybe even red, black or purple.

>>96097762
Love you too anon.

>>96098330
Well technically it'll be 9 counting the general but ya the 5 chaos knights sounds good. Cheers man.

>>96097586
>The title of President is not heritable
And yet the Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, Trumps, etc seem to have an awful lot of political sway, strange.

>>96098485

Mantic abyssal dwarf blacksouls, I got these for free when I complained to mantic about the poor quality of the molds. They look fine from a tabletop distance, but the details are kinda sloppy if you take a closer look.

>>96097866
that's one weird vine down the treeman's leg


awesome picture

So fucking kino. What can I use these as in wh fantasy?

>>96098254
>I think this is one of those lore tidbits that shows how bad GW is at sticking to a specific canon for their own settings
I don't think this is one of those cases where the canon is broken, some people can be against an empress even if there were some in the past, times change, situations vary and so do the opinions of people who have a say on the matter.
not to mention how a previous empress might be a reason to develop a bias against women on the throne, if she was particularly bad, or how we're talking about the reasoning about an event almost one thousand years in the past of this setting, it's perfectly plausible for the reason to be merely a story that was passed down by one side of argument, which ended up simplifying a potentially much broader diplomatic story.

>>96098563
All the WElves love him

>>96098267
he was the presenter for US Apprectice wasn't he?

>>96098592
idk Dogs of War/ Free company militta bits maybe

>>96098592
Guerillas would be great as Empire civilians/free companymen if you use headswaps. The Napoleonic rank and files are good for nothing except maybe using the rifles for bits.

>>96097866
>there are giant bees
>that means there are giant wasps

>>96098592
Actually good games.

>>96098592
Napoleonics are a bit too forward in time for the historical aesthetics that normally influence warhammer.
I personally have my own headcanon for where one could find napoleonic looking people in the warhammer world, namely the border princes where I imagine the various exiles and people looking to make a name out for themselves from scratch are willing to abandon the traditions of most other nations and to accept all sorts of cutting edge technologies and military tactics to gain victories and renown, with the warhammery twist being that the fancy uniforms to look rich and powerful and the new technologies and highly trained troops are more of a facade than anything, with haphazardly patched uniforms should you check the backside, and some of the guns being malfunctioning prototypes or straight up fakes loaded with cork

otherwise these could simply be some extravagant northwestern tileans that picked up a new fashion trend after witnessing the habits and hats of dwarf merchants that came from further east than usual

>>96094560
>thought

No pastebin anon so far, he lurks in the darkness like a silent avenge, but thanks for the pdf

>>96098715
>Napoleonics are a bit too forward in time for the historical aesthetics that normally influence warhammer.

oh please. we have everything from stone age cavemen to vietnam apache helicopters. napoleonics are absolutely not an issue

>>96098592
empire would definitely be your best fit

The raids begin I see.

>>96097866
>>96098686
>that's no mountain

>>96098819
>oh please. we have everything from stone age cavemen to vietnam apache helicopters
Not in humans! that's where the main problem lies here.

>>96098873
which humans? because within the span of the same setting you have german/italian/english dukedoms with steam powered tanks and riflemen, knights of the round table on a magical quest still using wooden trbuchettes and bowmen, norse vikings and barbarians, a chinese empire with black powder cannons, russian hussars, slavic kossars led by ice witches, and more

im a little confused, which humans are you referring to?

>>96098933
All of em, because none of those are Napoleonic lmao

Insane that perrynigger will reply to himself multiple times on one post. Remember to report and not engage.

There's no napolenic tech strategy or tactics in warhammer despite being so broad, meaning they can't shoehorn their way in.
Ironically the only race they could do it with is skaven or chorfs but that requires effort.

>>96098933
>and more
And yet no napoleonics, the empire sets a hard standard, and limit, for what's the upper tech/cultural level of a human faction.

>>96098827
Do you genuinely believe there is an organized external malevolent force specifically targeting a Warhammer Fantasy thread which is populated by 20-30 unique posters max?
If you do you're either retarded, schizophrenic, or both

>>96098965
empire has muskets, cavalry and cannons, thats close enough for a counts as army if the guy likes the models

>>96099049
NTA but it’s one guy with the same writing voice, meaning you. You shouldn’t have posted your wife and kid perrynigger. I’ll dox you all eventually.

>>96099015
steam tanks and mecha horses were more advanced than anything napoleon had

hilarious how one anon posts about napoleonics proxies and the thread erupts in cutthroat paranoia

>>96099080
You would say that

>RAIDS! PERRYNIGGER! BOOGEYMAN! THE JEWS!
You all sound so mentally unwell, perhaps it's time to lay off the Internet for a bit

>>96099072
And yet don't break the aesthetic set by the tech/cultural level of the empire, while napoleonic uniforms do.

>>96099072
Ironically not within old worlds time frame do these exist. Then again they've played pretty lose with the steam tanks lore.

>>96099080
fun police gotta earn that paycheck. cant go having any yourdudes in this pristine historical game, we need complete historical accuracy

>>96099072
Who is Meikle?

>>96099136
If the sandbox had no limits it would be a desert.
But feel free to post your dudes' fluff.

>>96099106
well if he's not actually playing guys from the empire what does it matter? just make up some new nation carving out territory for itself, call it the napoleonimperium or whatever the fuck. who gives a shit

i swear to god you crusty faggots are worse than the HHG with your precious adherence to canon. the entire spirit of warhammer is to make up your own shit and have fun with it

>>96099166
You’re replying to perrynigger. Don’t do that. Let him keep talking to himself and report his posts.

>>96099106
No one mentioned the empire except you

>>96099098
>THE JEWS!
You're the first to bring them up in the entire thread, perrynigger. You (((people))) always out yourselves.

>>96099171
>who gives a shit
anyone who actually likes warhammer
you can't argue that napoleonics fit and then say that your solution to make them fit is to break the status quo with your dudes, it's silly
if you want to use napoleonics make up better excuses or go to /awg/

>>96099171
They don't have an autistic adherence to cannon, as soon as GW drops some AoS slop like the new Cathay it makes them happier than a faggot in boy town. They have an autistic hatred of proxying and any models that aren't directly consoomed from their corporate daddy GW™

>>96099166
what you're talking about isnt a sandbox, its a sandcastle that no one can touch or have fun with lest it crumble, just sit back and admire it as it was intended because even the lightest touch will bring the whole thing crashing down. that's how you're treating it, and its disgusting and deeply un-warhammer

>>96099199
You just outted yourself as having too low IQ to understand the reference kek

>>96099180
>>96099199
>2 minutes apart
So, what other thread are you shitting up?

Reminder there are actual discord raids on this board for some pathetic reason.

>>96099216
>what you're talking about isnt a sandbox
yes, it is, I even prefaced the entire discussion with my own headcanon for napoleonics and an alternative excuse for them, but you don't want to talk about that or other options, you just want to shitpost.

>>96099202
gatekeeping proxies or cathay are both nancy faggot moves of sodomites who cant be bothered to wipe the crusted cum off their own face from sucking themselves off

>>96099243
I legit don’t think it’s a discord raid I think it’s one really sad human being talking to himself.

>>96099202
We both know the reponse to Cathay here has been overwhelmingly negative sans the actual models being decent (some of them, fuck the baloon) and most of us are just ignoring GWs glazing for existing lore.

I hate Cathay solely because they had a "Chinese Cultural Sensitivity" team overseeing them while they were designed.

>>96099249
If your poorfag ass can only afford Mantic with your EBT just play their shitty game. Simple as.

>>96099254
>ignoring GWs glazing for existing lore

were you not able to pick up on the fact that that is in faction propoganda and tongue in cheek mocking the CCP?

>>96099302
I don’t hate them but I kind of have a desire to collect every single Warhammer fantasy faction for one reason or another except for Cathay. I’m completely neutral about them. I just can’t bring myself to care.

>>96099319
I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s legit GW trying to fellate a non euro culture.

>>96099080
you could remake The Thing just useing /wfg/ anons

>>96099319
No it's not. Have you not been keeping up with GW the past decade? The DEI shit and cultural sensitivity isn't a tongue in cheek "joke," GW is genuinely ran my white liberal millennials now and there is frankly nothing funny about it

>>96099319
that's a comfortable cope, but the truth is that they've written that fluff as word of god and they've reiterated that time and again as writers commentary, we all wish cathay had depth and ambiguity, but the sad truth is that it only exists in headcanon.

>>96099243
It's either that or one dude on his phone/computer swapping, either way it's obvious troll and rolled high on its stupidity test.

>>96099474
is there anyone who likes this generation of trolls over the previous one?

>>96099474
more than likely it's just two or more people have different opinions than you and you can't cope with that

>>96099496
I prefer the new plastic ones honestly, they look great and they're extremely customizable

>>96099496
I don't know, I think the old ones from 6th chaos stone river are all better myself.

>>96099496
I still don't get who crafts clothes, weapons and armor for trolls, they're always described as being so stupid that stuff would be impossible for them.

>>96099420
Companies are run, not ran

>>96099562
>grammar policing an ESL
I accept your concession

What's a good Shugengan colorscheme?

>>96099546
I always assumed they stole it off a corpse or someone gave them it.

>>96099625
Not the studio scheme that's for sure

>>96099574
>ESL
It's an American thing, but we've reached a point where they do qualify

Who woulda thunk that it be the chinks who pull the normies into whf? I sure wouldna.

>>96099546
I don't think trolls are as dumb as people make them to be.

>>96098503
Good luck, and take pics if you can!

>>96099625
If all else fails, check out historical references.
https://www.newhanfu.com/5437.html

>>96097182
I can't really speak authoritatively about what's best at 500 points because the smallest games of TOW I've played have been at 1000 points, but I would caution against going below 10 models in a unit of infantry. Even chaos warriors, as tough as they are & no matter how many dogs you sacrifice will eventually get shot at and you'll want as many bodies in that unit as possible. What will a 5th knight really do for you? 2 more attacks on the charge? In exchange for immediately giving up your warriors' rank bonus the second one of them dies? Terrible trade, if you ask me. Anyway, you really don't need to worry about these small optimizations. Go with what you think would be the most fun! And then take what you find the most fun and use it as a base as you work up to 1000 points and 1500. That's when the game gets really good! This is more or less what my army looked like at 1000 points and looking back, those were the most fun games of TOW I played.

>>96093577 (OP)
I finally got my hands on one of the new paladins.

Please tell me with the infantry buffs that taking a paladin + foot knights isn't throwing the game.

>>96100070
The silly slogan flags are completely out of place next to the SOVL flaming eye old hammer style flag, very different tones

>>96100222
CADslop looks so fucking bad, just look how retarded his copy/paste chain mail looks...

>>96100222
Put him in pilgrims, foot knights are deformed and effeminate

>>96100282
This is one of the only good models GW has made in the past 5 years. He's got actual armor that makes sense instead of a bib. If anything the foot knights should have used more of the his design.

>>96100222
Good on you, anon. That's probably the best sculpt tow has produced yet

>>96100282
>why do all the rings in that chainmail look...the same
is this the level of contrarianism we're at now

>>96100222
Is the orc head a separate piece or fused with the blade?

>>96100285
Pilgrims are a cool idea, but I like the concept of a bunch of more destitute knights following a questing paladin in his mission hoping it'll elevate their social position/honor.

>>96100275
I think the fire one is the worst of all the banners I've made. It was also my first freehanded banner, so that's probably why.

>>96100296
Separate from the sword, fused to the knight's foot.

>>96100222
Yeah they are pretty solid now

>>96100290
>Armor makes sense
Anon, he's still wearing a giant bib, it's just made of leather instead of metal, which is someone even stranger. Also giant sword sheath on back like an anime character...LOL. Why does he have a random square of sheet metal screwed on the top of his leather glove on his hand? Did they not reference any actual pics of gauntlet or vambrace? Looks like some armor you'd find on a Fischer Price toy

>>96098534
I think they look more than ok.

And once painted and based they'll do their part rather well.

Besides, a mediocre but completed miniature is an order of magnitude better than an unpainted model

>>96100383
>Anon, he's still wearing a giant bib, it's just made of leather instead of metal
Aventails and gorgets existed, and you see them on old bretonnian plastics. The current knight of the realm kit still has them.
>Also giant sword sheath on back like an anime character...LOL.
>Why is there fantasy in this fantasy character?

>Why does he have a random square of sheet metal screwed on the top of his leather glove on his hand?
You straight up see this in Crecy armour samples

Do you go out of your way to make yourself miserable on topics you know nothing about? You must be Polish.

>>96100383
Oh, I see, you're just an idiot.
It's a demi-gauntlet and all the art in the 6th edition book has knights wearing them.

>>96100070
ALVIS THE BLIND makes his glorious return.
>>96100275
I also dislike his banners but the sovl factor wins out

>>96100427
It's literally the shitposter, just ask him for his models or ignore

>>96100454
What's weird is the flame eye banner is pure SOVL but it's the only one he doesn't like

>>96100383
>Looks like some armor you'd find on a Fischer Price toy
That frankly sums up all new Bretonnia stuff, and most of AoS as well

>>96100504
The foot knights and Lowenhacke definitely. I assume they're by the same sculptor because they have mostly the same issues.

The questing knight paladin and the standard bearer (particularly the one on foot) look just like the 6th edition art and I see nothing to complain about them unless you didn't like 6th edition Bretonnia.
Less sure about the pegasus guy.

>>96100477
I also agree with this. That's the only one I wouldn't change

>>96099525
And they're directly based on >>96099474 design.

>>96100222
Parry and Press of Battle has made dismounted KOTR quite good if you spend on them properly.

Does AoS grave guard or whatever new name they have look fine in ToW armies?

>>96100383
>I'm a retard and don't know what a gorget is
K

>>96100728
You need to carefully position them on their bases to get them to rank up, but it's possible.

>>96100728
You might have trouble ranking them on square bases

>>96100734
Bret armor is aesthetically a mix of 13th and 14th century armor, and in these periods a "gorget" didn't exist, they wore a mail coif or later an aventail. A gorget didn't become a thing until really the late 15th and 16th century when we would see head to toe full plate harness, ie. the early renaissance, what we would be more likely to see in the Empire, not Bretonnia.even still, these gorget covered the gap in the neck between the top of the breastplate and the bottom of the bevor or sallet. It was not a giant metal bib, and certainly not a giant leather bib.

You just got served

>>96100816
>fantasy has to follow real life
Post models

>>96100816
shut up perrynigger

>>96100816
Still a gorget on the model.
>these gorget covered the gap in the neck between the top of the breastplate and the bottom of the bevor or sallet
Kek you just outed yourself as a poser faggot. This entire piece in picrel is a bevor.

>>96100816
>muh 13th 14 century armor style
>omitting obvious Norman and crusader asthetics baked into the faction
Shut up perrynigger

>>96100871
There are no Norman influenced in Bretonnia, especially in regards to 11th century Normans

Crusaders sure, from the 13th century

>>96100764
>>96100776
I mean aesthetics and height wise mostly.

>>96100863
>starts frantically searching Google images to prove me wrong
kek obsessed

>>96100886
Your namesake had a huge hand in designing the faction perrynigger, there's Norman helmets scattered throughout. Now fuck off, I'm disappointed in you not even repping your own dude just lazy.

>>96100917
>one google image obliterates his low IQ /his/let tantrum
Youchie!

>>96100816
The only real problem with it is painting it leather. Otherwise it's just a capelet or something covering an aventail or bishop's mantle. The flexible versions are fine, it's the metal ones on the foot knights that are awful.

>perrynigger doesn’t even know his historical armours
Kek he actually is retarded and not just a malicious troll.

The foot knights look bad but I think all the new hero sculpts for Bretonnia look great.

>>96100918
How tf did you know my name was Norman

How many models do you think I should take in a Chracian Woodsman unit? I want to try them after the FAQ

>>96098592
Just play Turnip28 or something. Napoleonics don't really fit Warhammer either in aesthetics or in scale - they are realistically proportioned and on the small end of 28mm scale

>>96100953
It took me what? 20 years to realize that the pilgrims are carrying the head of the slain troll with the broken lance that killed it.
I've stared at that image so many times and never got that

>>96101304
Turnip28 is a MUCH better narrative game than fantasy ever was too.

>>96101363
All 28 games look like grimey slop identical to each other.

>>96101370
still has more sovl than post 5th edition warhammer

>>96101294
I would run an 16-18 strong unit with heavy armor and lion cloaks. 4+ save against shooting and skirmishers would make them more durable than expected from shooting. Although I think White Lions are probably better overall due to furious charge.

Are we seriously arguing about Napoleonics as proxies for Warhammer? Might as well use Vietcong for Cathy.

>>96101501
No one is seriously. Just 1 nogames shitposting

>>96101501
No, it's one guy talking to himself all day mostly. It's really sad. It's not even like he plays the game, he doesn't even know the basic rules enough to be able to make fun of them without citing them incorrectly. Just a sad troll.

If the empire did have a napoleonic aesthetic I would probably find the empire cool. I mean they aren’t cowboys, but at least everyone has guns.

Man I hope Friday isn’t just the second Cathay journal reveal. A roadmap is needed now that we’ve finished the old one.

>>96101619
>roadmap
lol
Lmao

>>96101623
What’s so funny? They give everyone including us one. We’ve finished ours so it’s time for a new one.

>>96101634
Dude, it’s a specialist game. Horus heresy never got a roadmap at all I think in second edition.

>>96099302
>they had a "Chinese Cultural Sensitivity" team overseeing them while they were designed.

Then what kind of a sensitivity team are they suppose to hire then, if not a mainland Chinese one? A Californian DEI consultant team? A Canadian narrative consultation team like Sweet Baby Inc? Reminder that Ubisoft's idea of a cultural consultant was a LGBTQ+ activist who wrote a book titled "Tales of Idolized Boys: Male-Male Love in Medieval Japanese Narratives."

>>96101668
Both Horus heresy and we got a roadmap this year. Ours is done. So it’s not unreasonable to expect another roadmap.

>>96101688
The faction design and aesthetic is 10/10. Historically respectable while being fantastical. The team did great on that, shame the lore is worthless.

>>96095076
Rare picture of ichor Druchi daemonic ichor extraction device, do not open.

>>96101699
Astheticly the factions kinda boring. Table top and vidya alike. You really can’t doing anything with it, as it is.

>>96101688
>then what kind of a sensitivity team are they suppose to hire then
None, he wants actual vision not some corporate board meeting design team. I personally think Cathy is okay. They do need some more grim though. The Cannon crews are great, but the soldiers seem kind of clean and boring. They have more of a high elf feel then a human faction should.

>>96099428
>>96101699
Even the mainland Chinese dislike Cathay's noblebright black & white portrayal. They are fully aware of GW trying to enter the Chinese market, but are cockblocked the CCP's regulations.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16quMzaEF3/?spm_id_from=333.1007.tianma.4-2-12.click.

>>96101732
I like how in the cannon crews the old man is lugging the heavy shit. IDK how that got past the sensitivity censors.

>>96100728
The other two guys are full of shit, the models are fine from a technical standpoint. However, they look too modern in their plate armour, and the kislevite helmets, shields and weapons inherited from cursed city skellies prevent you from fluffing them as more recent imperial wights without a unit-wide headswap.

>>96101741
It's probably a joke about how this is the old man's last tour of duty before his retirement where he can finally enjoy is military pension.

>>96101764
I thought Chinese were all about elderly reverence was my point. Ancestor worship and all that shit. Yet they have the old man doing the shittiest most labour intensive job. And they have an ogre there that could easily do it . I thought it was a cultural joke.

>>96101688
Are you still bitching about the Yasuke figure from Pike and Shotte?

>>96101699
>>96101711
I think the lanterns were suppose to be the fantasy version of Ming War Wagons.

>The Empire War Wagons were based on the Hussite War Wagons

>The Kislev Ice Sleds where based on the Russian Guliai-Gorod "Wandering Town"

I hate doing eyes so damn much

>>96101808
Not at all. In fact, this was released way before Assassins Creed Shadows even got announced. No one bat an eye about there being a Black Samurai. It's the Streisand Effect of AC Shadows that exposed Thomas Lockley as a hack.

>>96101835
Well done on the hair anon

>>96101835
Nice knight. Have a slightly outdated wip pic of my own (I've since highlighted the hair and painted the bone bits on his shoulder and elbow pads).

>>96101835
>>96101985
Looking good guys!

I did a bit of skin highlights via drybrush, and the spikes out back.

>>96102109
Nice, you’re gonna use leftovers bitz from the spawn kit to make some warped gors?

>>96102115
I might just do a small unit, I did picked up the AoS Tzangor shaman, I'll remove the baroque stuff and put it on a square base (gotta scrap part of the disk thought to get the feet) and use him as a Great Bray-Shaman,with the Warped Gors acting as his mutated bodyguards.

But at 16ppm, I might just use them in thematic games, I'd rather have 2 normal gors instead of a single one with gimmics attached to it.

>>96102139
>I might just use them in thematic games
Same feeling here, but they will be a great conversation project

>>96102172
Oh yeah for certain, they'll stand out on the table and get interest

>>96094560
Yeah, it's odd that Pastebin anon didn't put it on yet.

Now that I have my Shugengan I'll probably base the colors on a colibri. Those birds are just neat.

Like this one. It's just right.

>>96101835
Finish it anon, I’m doing up 3 pack master/master moulders

>>96100070
Sounds good man, though where are your marauders? I think based on what you said I will go woth 10 warriors for a decent block. Will get to test this Friday anywho.

>>96100070
Yeah 1000-1500works really well, especially with the magic squish.

Also got a game on Friday, but I’m using lizards vs elves.

>>96102266
>>96102273
Could look very cool.

>>96101688
None, because the whole point of warhammer was tolkien races + eurocentric stereotypes (and that's a GOOD thing)

Egyptians are mummies
Orcs are your generic marauding invader, and in the case of savage orcs basically a simulacrum of ooga booga bone in nose ssh african tribes
Mongolians are ogres and goblins/hobgoblins
Scandinavians are black metal vikings
Beastmen are ancient Germanics (from the Roman perspective)
Mesoamericans are lizardmen
Etc.

>>96102462
The whole point of the warhammer setting was to allow GWs customers to play all of their different miniatures in the same setting.

Finished painting this lad, 2/5 foot characters done. Which one should I paint next? (Additional hand weapon/heavy armour+great weapon/wings)

The unpainted loadouts in question:

>>96102613
>>96102619

Brought down by the bases. Buy or print some without tracks on

>>96102619

also the middle dude's begging to be made into a BSB

>>96102624
I have several spares, one will be made a BSB when I get a sufficiently impressive spare banner from the blood knights kit.
>>96102621
I got them years ago for free, but I'll fill any lines that I couldn't file flat with gs going forward.

>>96099496
These are better than the current ones for sure, but definitely less characterful than the old stone trolls. Funny, these two are obviously supposed to have the Battle for skull pass troll as a third sculpt for the unit. I have resin recasts ofboth and they're pretty cool together with the plastic troll.

>>96102619
recasts?

>>96102647
Yes. Perfect quality, batch zero, the masters used were from the original release.

>>96102644
the battle for skull pass one is definitely the eyecatcher, but I think the great weapon one is still the best of the 3 sculpts

>>96102700
also I've noticed only now that the slayer and the tied up slayer are meant to be the same guy

there's a story here, I can only wonder if they had a whole mini-campaign written in the starter set's rulebook with a scenario where you get or lose the slayer to the goblins
if there was a narrative campaign included it would make greater sense of the rest of the scenery in the box too

>>96102710
i think it was just in the Novel that published at the same time

>>96102710
Foreverial Tiedup Delitized Slayer

>>96102654
BMM? I've been looking for a good recast

>>96102934
Warp Master. I stay clear of all the big ones, their quality control is usually shit.

>>96102752
In the novel the slayer never gets captured. He gets drunk and wastes around for days with very little screen time. It's another random dwarf that gets captured and subsequently rescued.

>>96099319
>were you not able to pick up on the fact that that is in faction propoganda and tongue in cheek mocking the CCP?
hahaha what a fucking retard

>>96102890

Bologna feet

did anyone bother to watch the Warhammer + video they released about Cathay today?

>>96102619
I like the sculpts but they are way too big

Why is it so hard for GW yo get scale right when they do everything digitally? Literally just import a reference model alongside whatever you're working on so you get consistently. Holy shit it's not that hard

>>96102613
>>96102619
>aos "vampires"
lmfao

>>96103295
The base is 20mm, I don't intend to ever play or acknowledge tow. They're somewhat taller than normie mortals, but that's an intentional design choice that I wholeheartedly support. If you already have magic powers and can shapeshift, why wouldn't you make yourself a head taller to flex on all the manlets?

>>96103295
>Why is it so hard for GW yo get scale right when they do everything digitally?
It's not hard, but they know bigger minis sell more, both because there are size queens in the hobby, and because bigger minis are easier to paint both by newcomers and experts and they both end up advertising the product by sharing their work online.
Plus, making the miniatures bigger allows them to cheat when it comes to making a better looking product that can also fit within old models, because the bigger mini will have more 'realistic' proportions compared to the old heroic models (thus looking better to the modern target consumer) but by making the model bigger they can also have that realistic proportions without reducing the size of the head significantly, and a bigger dude is more acceptable than one with a smaller head, especially when we're talking about heroes.
There's also the technical aspect of plastic models arguably still having issues with some finer details so making the models overall bigger helps with those, but I have no real idea of whether they use moulds of different qualities for different types of products or what's really a technical limit or a stylistic choice.

>>96103365
I don't think it's any of those reasons in this case. 2021 zombies look just as detailed if not more, and they're the same size as 6/7/8e plastic infantry but with realistic proportions. See >>96103348, it's deliberate and has an in-universe reasoning to back it up.

What are the best models from which to convert fishmen?

I was thinking crypt ghouls

>>96103416
Skinks. Give them fish heads and sculpt webbed hands and feet and fins on their tails out of gs.

Sup fa/tg/rogs, I come bearing alleged Friday preview news:

The next two Arcane Journals will be: The War for Westerland, featuring Miao Ying's Jade fleet, Manann's Blades and a fucking weird Fimir centric AoI. The 2nd will be AJ: Dogs of War, with two new plastic kits

The Jade fleet contains every Cathay unit bar sentinels, and loses the elemental winds (Yin and Yang) rule to fight in an extra rank. Jade lancers aren't core, so good luck painting infantry! 30% mercenary allowance, with Empire captains, lvl 2 wizards, state troops, missile state troops, free company, pistoliers, ogres and Manann's Blades all in there. Suspect this list is gonna be how most people play Cathay. There's also an admiral special character (no model shown, guess he's coming later), who's a roguish, swashbuckler type, who's been living in the Old World for years, who lets you reroll misbehaving mercenaries, can give mercs his leadership, and can also force enemy mercs to fail their misbehaving rolls (bribery). Curiously he can also be mounted in a sky lantern.

Lore is that Marienburg is so under pressure with Norse and Fimir raids that Miao Ying has put it under her protection, whether the Marienburgers want it or not.

Full set of new Cathayan items my source didn't know about

Manann's Blades are the old kit, with the arms recast in resin. You can take as many units as you like, and they can be armed with hw&s, halberds or handguns. Come with heavy armour and at 9 points per model, can be bought pistols for the lulz. Greatsword statline with bs4, drilled, plus ambush or vanguard, these guys are basically Royal Marines and what vet state troops should have been. Special choice for Empire, suspect they're gonna see a lot of play, esp with the special character

Running out of text, more in next post

>>96103391
>it's deliberate and has an in-universe reasoning to back it up.
Yeah, no, the other heroes are just as oversized as the undead heroes, it's not a lore thing.

>>96103441
sounds believable, but I'll be angry if they don't bring back the landship
>but da lawr
fuck that, bitch can bend like it bended for worse crap

>>96103441
>Manann's Blades are the old kit, with the arms recast in resin. You can take as many units as you like, and they can be armed with hw&s, halberds or handguns. Come with heavy armour and at 9 points per model, can be bought pistols for the lulz. Greatsword statline with bs4, drilled, plus ambush or vanguard, these guys are basically Royal Marines and what vet state troops should have been. Special choice for Empire, suspect they're gonna see a lot of play, esp with the special character

Neat. I wanted an excuse to convert elite marienburgers with sword and pistol but only had the free company militia statline available

>>96103447
I'm pretty sure that greatsword had his lower legs cut off and the feet glued to his knees to make a halfling. An unaltered model would be as tall as the foot knight on the far right.

>>96103441
I guess the pirate dude with bird is the ideal way to represent him

>>96103441
>Lore is that Marienburg is so under pressure with Norse and Fimir raids that Miao Ying has put it under her protection, whether the Marienburgers want it or not.
Apparently the Treaty of Amity and Commerce means nothing when you're getting raped by Norscans but when you want to secede from the Empire the High Elves are willing to bring out the big guns?

>>96103441

contd

Manann's Blades special character, again no model shown, is the new commander of the Blades after the last one was killed by Fimir, really standard Empire general statline (but only Ld 9, guess he predates the FAQ), hw&s and heavy armour, no ward, but if he's general makes Manann's Blades core.

Fimir list is weird as sin. No new models, just the three basic great weapon guys and the Fimirach Noble, the background is that a coven of Chaos Sorcerers has been causing all sorts of weird shit to pop up around Marienburg to help out the orc raids. The contents of this list feels like a random who's who of other armies' core infantry. It is as follows:

Characters:
Chaos Sorcerers and Sorcerer Lords, who are allowed to use the Lore of Necromancy (you need one on Necromancy if you want to use undead units.)
Fimir Noble (basically a hero level guy)

Core:
Fimir, bog standard monstrous infantry, who can ambush from terrain.
Orc Boyz
Goblins (regular, not Night)
Skeletons
'Marsh Zombies' the motherfucking plastic Zombies kit from the 1990s has been brought back. Hold on to your hats, this list only gets random and weirder

Special:
Chaos Warriors
Tomb Guard, on the premise that there were a bunch on display in a museum somewhere in Marienburg

Rare:
Monster called a 'Gargoyle of Bagra'. Massive gargoyles from a building in Marienburg brought to life by the Chaos Sorcerors. Meaty stats and -1 to wound. Can be given wings and various other upgrades. Would guess there isn't a kit coming, because apparently the unit entry tells you to just pick a large model and paint it like its made out of stone.

List gives most units ambush and vanguard, and gives the Sorcerors a new signature spell that lets them summon the undead stuff. Utterly random, I can't see it doing well competitively, and feels like something someone with ADHD would collect.

Rest of the book's full of cool lore, 3 linked scenarios, and cityfight rules that nobody will ever use.

DoW next post

>>96103529

Marienburg didn't secede until a few centauries later. They wanted to rule the Empire at the time TOW's set.

>>96103518
Wtf is wrong with that artillery(?) guy? He looks like a turbomanlet even compared to the old archer who is a bit taller than him despite a crouching pose. Stop arguing in bad faith, I get it that you're an oldgood nostalgymaxxer, but you don't need to validate your taste with lies.

>>96098592
Guerillas could work very well as free company. You could turn them into Sartosan pirates easilly.
Elites could be from Nuln. Personal security detail of countess Emmanuelle, /fa/ queen of the Empire.
>>96099546
Their mom.

>>96103546
>Monster called a 'Gargoyle of Bagra'.
I assume it's 'Barda'.
http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr12barda/index.htm

That's really fucking weird though.

>>96103546
>fimir
>undead
>greenskins
>chaos
This sounds like extremely dumb fun and I'm all for it.

>>96103555
The Treaty was signed in 2150 IC

>>96103546
cam the fimir be taken by normal chaos or beastmen lists?

>>96103546
>Marsh Zombies
should be Marsh Mummies since those already exist and that does happen to corpses in real life

>>96103529
High Elves are scared of Cathay Dragon.

>>96103599

Yes, I forgot to say. The basic guys and the hero can be taken as mercs in WoC, BoC and O&G

Back to summarising Dogs of War!

>>96103546
>Rare:
>Monster called a 'Gargoyle of Bagra'. Massive gargoyles from a building in Marienburg brought to life by the Chaos Sorcerors. Meaty stats and -1 to wound. Can be given wings and various other upgrades. Would guess there isn't a kit coming, because apparently the unit entry tells you to just pick a large model and paint it like its made out of stone.
What's its (their?) size meant to be?

>>96103624
awesome

>>96103625

Base size is 50x100 to 100x100 and it's a large target, so guessing big!

>>96103641
>>96103546
oh fuck, I get it now, this is a heroquest armylist

>>96103664
>fimirs
>chaos warriors
>zombies
>skeletons n mummies
>orcs n goblins
>evil mancer
>the gargoyle

>>96103295
>Why is it so hard for GW yo get scale right when they do everything digitally?
a) they don't care
b) those models weren't even made for aos but for an adyacent boxed game
c) if everything new is bigger you have to keep buying everything new so you army doesn't clash too much (see primaris)
d) all of the above

>>96103680
A bit odd to reference a game that GW no longer owns instead of the original Warhammer Quest, a game that also has its 30th anniversary this year.

>>96103680
>>96103664
Which is why it's a bizarre choice to pair it with a Marienburg and co list. This whole lineup fits the forces of Drachenfels (the sorcerers can be his apprentices/dickriders), and his usual targets are Parravon, welfs and Reikland/Nuln.

>the day finally arrives
>reveal countdown slowly ticks to 0
>epic music blaring loudly as an image slowly becomes visible on stream
>its the preyton
>stream ends

>>96103690
warhammer quest didn't have fimirs tho

>>96103690
>>96103699
This video has 3.5 millions views

>>96103441
>>96103546

Contd with Dogs of War

My source hasn't seen the book, so what he shared was a bit less clear.

The book will be called Dogs of War, and contains a Grand Army list. The two new plastic kits contain both Tilean and Estalian options, and an army can be flavoured either way.

The kits are a pike/crossbowman box, and a 'venator' knight box. They're gorgeous models to the standard of Cathay, and contains the option for either plumed Tilean helmets and floppy hats, or classic Morion Conquistador helms for the Estalians.

The pike/crossbowmen are in heavy armour, but alas the crossbowmen do not have pavise shields like the old metal RoR.

Galloper guns, and birdmen are returning in resin. There's a new resin Paymaster and cart, and Estalian and Tilean foot and horse heroes.

The Dogs of War list is weird apparently. It's a mishmash of old units as under previous editions, but you unlock different stuff based on what race your general and paymaster are, similar to the militia list in HH I guess.

The paymaster is basically a BSB+, and while not mandatory you'd be crazy not to take one. Rides a cart with a load of extra wounds that can be sat in a block of infantry, 18" BSB range, lets you pick the result if you fail a misbehaving merc test (spoiler: all DoW units are mercs), and the entire army hate the unit that kills him.

As for the build a bear list component, the following races are available to generals, and most of them are available to paymasters: Tilean, Estalian, Empire, Dwarf, High Elf, Ogre, Orc, HOBGOBLIN

Yep, Hobgoblins are back. Apparently they're the Chaos Dwarf sculpts not the Asian looking DoW ones though. Metal, not resin. Can only be taken with a Hobgoblin general apparently, and lock out a lot of other options.

Some of the general options can't be taken as Paymasters (guessing orc?), and a lot of them can't be combined (a greenskin general with a dwarf paymaster I'm guessing).

Wow, out of room, more to come

finished my warhawk riders, and thus my wood elves army

2000pts, I'll take a picture enxt time they're on the table

>>96103760
>not the Asian looking DoW ones though
COWARDS!

>>96103766
ok I just saw and the lightning is weird, they look better I promise

>>96103760
>The kits are a pike/crossbowman box, and a 'venator' knight box. They're gorgeous models to the standard of Cathay, and contains the option for either plumed Tilean helmets and floppy hats, or classic Morion Conquistador helms for the Estalians.
Big it true.

>>96103760

More Dogs of War

The choice of who is your general or paymaster unlocks various different unit options and restricts others. For example, a dwarf general paymaster moves basic mercenary dwarfs from special to core, and allows you to take longbeards and dwarf cannons in special, while preventing you from taking any orcs in your list at all.

There's no benefit for stacking a general and paymaster of the same race, I think the idea is to encourage people to lean into the cosmopolitan nature of DoW armies.

Tileans unlock galloper guns and birdmen. Estalians don't unlock any new units, but make your Estalian units better, and let you give the front rank of a pike unit crossbows.

Hilariously High Elf generals unlock nothing. I think the intonation's supposed to be 'you get to take a dragon, now fuck off'.

Forgot to them in the list in the last post, but Norse generals are also a thing. Don't know what they unlock, but presumably Marauders/Berserkers?

Giants are in the list as a rare choice.

If there are special characters I forgot to ask about them.

I hope this is of interest. Source: my dad is Matt Ward

>>96103760
>>96103813

Forgot to add, obviously most of the new units introduces are available as mercenaries for other armies.

>>96103760
>and a 'venator' knight box.
This would essentially be a stealth update for the empire knightly orders.

>>96103813
>Hilariously High Elf generals unlock nothing. I think the intonation's supposed to be 'you get to take a dragon, now fuck off'.
Fair, considering the one high elven dow unit was a dude on a dragon, who canonically didn't become a mercenary until the end of the great war against chaos.

>>96103529

Nobody cares about WFRP. Andy Law is a cancer

How many of the old DoW metal kits will come back though? Alcatani Fellowship or the Leopard Company would tempt me

>>96103914

Not the OP, but MtO at best for old metal pikemen if pikes are getting a glorious new plastic kit

>>96103913
WFRP does have it's fanbase but it's pretty seperate from the WFB/GW models fanbase

>>96103914
the two plastic kits cover most of the basic infantry and cavalry necessities so it would be mostly novelty stuff rather than other human infantry units.

>>96103760
>Apparently they're the Chaos Dwarf sculpts not the Asian looking DoW ones though. Metal, not resin.
Fine, I guess I'll take them scythian flavored for now. I'm just glad they're included. I imagine it's setup for the Chaos Dwarf release

>>96103965
>I imagine it's setup for the Chaos Dwarf release
AoS is releasing a whole plastic roster for them in there, I doubt TOW has any plans to bring up the old metal chaos dwarfs or old resin chaos dwarfs, unless it's as mercenary units for a chaos warriors army of infamy.

>heroquest: the army
>plastic tileans & estalians

>>96103872
Is this guy meant to be a take on Elric of Melnibone

>>96103983
What will AoS chorfs look like?

>>96103760
>>96103813
But will they dare?

>>96103813
Everything you posted sounds so retarded it's somewhat believable.

>>96103760
>Yep, Hobgoblins are back. Apparently they're the Chaos Dwarf sculpts not the Asian looking DoW ones though
would it have been really that bad to bring these back as an elite unit and hero for wolf riders?

>>96104007
Is there an elf character who's not a take on Elric of Melnibone?

>>96104029
Did you just imply that elf girls are Elrics too?

>>96103913
Pretty sure the settlements they're using for the Wasteland are from the Marienburg book. The Fimir association is from there too.

You're living in a WFRP world, anon. You just don't know it.

>>96104041
>Sisters of Twilight
...yes, actually.

>>96104029
Does he count?

>>96104013
The launch boxset that's getting revealed on friday will have a mortar, a dreadnought, a character and some dudes with spears.
Allegedly they're in line enough with the old look for them rather than something completely different, with hats, but I'm not going to trust that opinion because rumormongers are obligatory gw fanboys, but I expect them to be as different as new lizardmen and new vampires are to old lizardmen and old vampires, rather than as different as kharadrons are to old dwarfs.

>>96104020
These would be better in an arcane journal for lizardmen than one for dogs of war.

>>96103760
>Galloper guns are returning
updated

>>96103983
>>96104055
It's really awkward how GW feels like they has to juggle things between the two games. "ok, we're releasing beastmen in TOW but we're killing them in AoS."

>>96103546
>>96103664
>>96103680
>>96103690
so if one were to stay in line with the theme, the units that could be added would be
>skaven giant rats (and clanrats?)
>giant spiders (and aracnarok?) without riders
>bat swarms (and fell bats?)
>minotaurs (and cygor?)

>>96104175
You forgot the most important unit of them all: Da Snottiez

>>96104013
Think legion of azghor, but half naked and with a 50/50 gender split.

>>96103760
>>96103813

This is massive. Fully modular army list, bring it on!!

>>96104269

>female chorfs

ew, fuck AoS

>>96104269
I'm starting to not believe this version of things

>>96104321
Yeah this is definitely a wishlist, there's far too much in DoW and Chorfs for a modern GW which seems to hate kitbashing. Also dwarf paymasters, fmir, etc all this soup is going to be a shitshow so I'm doubtful but hey, GW fucks shit up regularly so let's see.

>>96104284
>female chorfs
Would unironically sink the entire release. GW surely learned from the CoS debacle.

>>96104364

Did... people not buy CoS because of female models? I bought CoS with the intention of giving all my guys male heads. Then never assembled or painted them

>>96104364
This would be so retarded but let's see, according to leaker marienburg is now under Cathay protection despite being under the control of one of the major alliances and this just happens because glorious Cathay.

>>96104406

Arcane Journal leaker here, I'm not the female chorf guy

>>96104406
to be fair, cathay extending its forces to essentially claim marienburg opens an opportunity to have skirmishes and battles between the empire and cathay or high elves and cathay

can you take a shugengan lord without a longma dragon mount? like i know the kit doesnt come with one on foot but is that even an option?

>>96104442
that's probably the reason the book have Urban combat rules (if we think the Leaker is acurate) since Marianburg is a very urban area with little space for open fields

>>96104454

Nope. You can take a gate master or magistrate on foot though.

>>96104454
nope

>>96104454
no the rules state you have to take the Longma with the Shugengan lord

>>96103760
>>96103813

Norse + dwarf general/paymaster combo = norse dwarf list??

>>96104502
Aren't the norse dwarfs meant to be traditionalist dwarfs from the north rather than dwarfs with human norscan allies?

>>96104481
>>96104489
>>96104491
thanks

is there a scan of the book thats been uploaded?

>>96104504
These guys are legitimately the best part of Cathay. I wish they would focus on neat characters like this rather than dragondragondragon with a side order of mighty harmonious disciplined elite warriors who are very loyal and well-equipped.

>>96104515

In 3rd ed they were just drunker, more violent dwarfs, who were quite happy fighting alongside werewolves

>>96104549

Yes

>>96104549
wonder why Gw didn't bother puting the Cathay AJ or Match play guide into Epub format

Manann's Blades sound like a dream, basically an entire army of Empire special forces, ready to smash other races elite units in the face

>>96104582
>In 3rd ed they were just drunker, more violent dwarfs, who were quite happy fighting alongside werewolves

oops forgot my pic

>>96104598

>give Empire province an extremely cool new elite unit
>btw said Empire province is Cathay's bitch now. Longma dildos for all

feels pretty in line with modern GW

>>96104582
ah, i see it now. thanks

>"TOW will be set during the age of 3 emperors so you will have 4 different Imperial factions fighting for supremacy!"
>"Also one of the 4 factions is actually under Cathay control"

Master tacticians, I require your help.
I've got a 2k game coming up against Cathay, an I'm playing Empire.

I'm reading through the rules for Cathay, and I need some advice on how to defeat them.
Idk what my friend has, I am guessing 3D printed stuff so the battalion is not a good measurement,
he likes to use characters and usually brings strong monsters and warmachines.

So almost guaranteed to see the lantern and statue.

I'm thinking a captain on griffon to at least try and chase his lantern, probably a steam tank or cannons to try and deal with the statue.

>>96104678
Some things to know
>their artillery can shoot twice so can decimate troops
>their troops are far hardier than yours but about the same output
>your cav should beat their cav on the charge but if they 5x2 they can swing in 2 ranks.
>their magic is far better but you can spam mages
>the statue is surprisingly fast
>the baloon is a nightmare
I think enpire wins with target saturation and grinding but I'm not expert. I'd imagine demigryphs and steam tank are huge here.

>>96104568
how would a force that focuses on them look like?
>cannons moved by bulls/horses for faster redeployment
>variant of the lantern without gunners crew that acts as troops transport for a melee crew
>said swashbuckling melee boarding crew converted from free company militia with head and weapons swaps
>sky junk you have to convert from the lantern and a rockets launcher
>sky ship you have to convert from a chinese boat model and a pair of cathay lanterns
>illegal opium illusionist pirate wizard
>firebird (great eagle/phoenix proxy)
>mercenary ogre maneaters
>mercenary elven skycutters
>mercenary dwarf gyrocopters
>mercenary tilean birdmen

>>96104678
Go wide with infantry to saturate the field, outriders or pistoliers to delete his chaff, griffon and artillery to tackle big stuff, mages for utility

>>96104653
Depends on how it's presented. If it's Marienburg's trade partners sending troops to assist in order to protect their interests, that's fine. It helps show Marienburg's outward-facing character.

If it's 'these Imperial monkeys can't handle things on their own, mighty Cathay must protect them for their own good' then that's fucking awful. Only High Elves are allowed to do that, and only because the reader understands that they're a waning power.

>>96104678

What models do you have?

f you want to be a completely gamey twat, I'd recommend a low drop list with a lot of cannons and no scouts, with Hans von Lowenhacke in it, so you get +2 to the roll for first turn, and can shoot all his artillery off turn 1 (aim 10" from the back), and then have free reign to pick off the rest of his big stuff for the rest of the game.

A Steam Tank is never a bad option, and also comes with a bonus cannon.

A big block of veteran state troops with the griffon banner gets +9 static combat res and Jade Warriors and lancers aren't going to dish out too much damage, so that feels like a must.

Griffon captain as a lantern hunter sounds like a good shout.

Good luck!

>>96104744

The Cathayans think the stupid western monkeys can't defend themselves and the Marienburgers think they're getting a great deal not having to spend money on soldiers. Everybody wins!

>>96104723
>their troops are far hardier
Yeah, you come to the same conclusion as I did. Their jade warriors have kind of the same stats as veteran state troopers for 1 extra point, but they have such good special rules.
>Defensive stance
>Will of the Dragons

So they are basically WS5, 8 point dudes.

>their artillery can shoot twice
Yeh, I saw that, I guess I pray for first turn and try and shoot with cannons or bring ambushers/scouts.

>spam mages
Not sure how good this is now with the magic nerf, and considering they get bonus to cast when close to friendly mages.

>the baloon is a nightmare
Yeah, this is probably the one unit im most scared of, im thinking a captain on griffon is the only way to deal with it, without allocating shooting from cannons.

>>96104751
I've collected for a long time so I have access to every unit and can have multiples of them.

>>96104723
>the statue is surprisingly fast

its also waaaaaay squishier than the model would make you believe. it may be a foot tall model made of solid stone but its about as durable as a regular gorghon. 6w, 5+ save. granite version gets a 4+ save and terracotta version gets a 6+ regeneration, but otherwise its shockingly easy to take down

>>96104840

Excellent. Four cannons, 2 engineers to babysit them, a Stank, big block of griffon banner swordsmen, core Knights of the White wolf and Hans von Lowenhacke are the order of the day. You will have better infantry and cavalry than them and everything else will be dead because you've got 5 cannons

>>96104731
>>cannons moved by bulls/horses for faster redeployment
No cannons, only rockets and add mercenary imperial rocket batteries and cathay gunners on horses made from outriders and lantern gunners.

>>96104889
>waaaaaay squishier than the model would make you believe
I think the granite version will become the norm, considering it also gives you immunity to multiple wounds. So cannons are basically useless against a granite statue.

>>96104731
I don't know if there's enough to just do Cathayan sky-pirates as a land-based army without it getting a bit fucky. But I wouldn't mind seeing masked warpstone desert nomads, proper alchemists and such.

Kites would be good inspiration for an airborne cathayan unit, though.

>Marienburg
>(((merchants)))
>female leader
>puppet of not-China

>>96104840
>Lao tian bao you jin shan yin shan quan dou you
>Lao tian jiao suo bie guan jiang hu long hu dou
Hit him with this curse

Oh man. If the plastic DoW leaks are real. I’m going to be so happy.

>>96105130
Why wouldnt they be real?

>>96105263
It’s better to expect the worse and be pleasantly surprised than the opposite.

>>96103441
>Manann's Blades are the old kit, with the arms recast in resin.
Wasn't the original Mannan's Blades already in resin ? It"s anotjer resin type ?

>>96105263
4chan leaks don't have the best odds of being real

>>96105289

They and the Nuln Ironsides needed the plastic Swordsmen and Handgunner arms because of some weird internal ruling about Warhammer Forge only being able to make upgrade kits for armies/units that already had models at the time

>>96105263
Because people post bullshit all the time, and even when legit leakers often get it half right or outdated/beta info that doesn't make it to release. Until we see a screenshot or model best best to hedge expectations.

>>96105289
I think the arms were the normal plastic state troops kit's
which opens two possibilities:
>distributing the sprue of state troops arms separately from the rest of the plastic kit is unfeasible for some reason
>they have plans for retiring the state troops for an updated (and incompatible with the manann blades) plastic kit

>>96105263
They're very detailed, very optimistic, and at moments very weird.
I think the latter is more in favour of them being real, to be honest.

>>96105263
Feels too good to be real, but at the same time way too specific and in-depth to be just a shitpost. As in, if you were gonna put that much effort into such a shitpost then you'd probably be trying to spread it in more "legit" sites than in here where it will die off after page 10.

>>96105289
>>96105346
I actually own them.
You got resin bodies + heads + shields but needed weapon arms from the plastic state troops box

>>96105354
>>96105392
Are you new here? /tg/ specializes in autistic works fiction
I hope we get DoW, but I've seen so many sure things blow up for /tg/ I'm waiting.

>>96104988
That's just accurate for my country, minus the female monarch (we'll get one again in about a decade or two).

>>96104632
don't think about it as a cathay army with empire troops, think about it as a marienburg army where you are given unit profiles to convert imperial hot air balloons and bigger imperial cannons

Very nearly finished my 'princess' on unicorn I've been letting my 4 year old choose the colours for. Just some final highlights, a bit of magic glowy effect, detail the gems on her belt and finish the base. Then tidy up the thicker highlights and mis splodges. About an hour's work all in all left.

>>96100222
KOTR on foot are some of the best looking minis around, if you like them, use them!

>>96105472
Gorgeous.

>>96105472
Based has-models, does-paint optimist

I genuinely thank the leaker for writing all that out. Don’t take it the wrong way that people have doubts, it’s the nature of the game. When it’s confirmed after tomorrow you’ll be hailed a hero.

>>96105472
Wholesome and Very nice

>>96086558
>>96086585
Hmm, I see.
>Tbh if you want marienburgers your best bet is to kitbash the free company militia box with archers, because the archers kit gives you a clothing style far closer to the original mordheim models.
Sounds like a good idea but I won't do that, as that would already be too much for my wallet.
Also, iirc Marienburgers are supposed to be rich or fairly wealthy blokes, so idk if the company militia model would give an opposite message.

Another thing; I have requested this before but I'd like to do so again, to any finnanon.
If anyone happens to be able to use the discount from Fantasiapelit I'd be happy to give the money to buy a box.

>>96102619
Why would you use these when there are thousands of vampire miniatures out there?

>>96105472
>KOTR on foot are some of the best looking minis around
Drain bamage

>>96105617
what's the deal with the discount?

>>96105627
is he supposed to be holding the cape?

>>96104063
Nah

>>96104678
Cathay doesn't have good magic defense.
Also your artillery outranges his and is more reliable with engineer dudes.
> Griffin Captain
Lmao no. Don't try to 'out monster' him if he is 3d printing Miao, she will murder any Empire Monster.
Steam tank can be worth a shout

>>96106270
>Cathay doesn't have good magic defense.
Nobody does now, the only difference between a high level wizard and cheap shit wizard is a +1, and cathay can field a high level wizard.

>>96100222
Paladins are good!
WS6/3A for 60 points is great.

If you're doing a questing knight paladin, I would recommend putting him with pilgrims so that his stubborn actually works and does something.

If you're running him with foot knights, you can probably just leave him with the knight's vow, as his stubborn wouldn't work, so you'd be spending +15 points just to reroll fear, panic and terror tests.

But a cheapish paladin with a budget magic weapon and a cheeky gauntlet of the duel can be a neat addition to an infantry unit for sure.

>>96106270
>Also your artillery outranges his and is more reliable with engineer dudes.
The difference in range is irrelevant and the cathayan cannon too can reroll one dice on the first cannonshot
>what about the other cannonshots
one turn of cathay cannons are enough to get rid of anything they need go get rid of

>>96106302
Fwiw they do have the 3+ no touch banner and the doubles= miscast. But empire can bring those witchhunter pendants and witch hunters will do cheap shut down magic. Can use vet state troop champs and greatsword champs to use the ward for example. I'd say Cathay is far better at casting but empire can defend vs magic for relatively cheap.

>>96105763
Iirc from what another anon had previously said, you get 15% discount if you're part of a gaming club, and one anon admitted buying on that place from time to time.

>>96106358
One turn of empire cannons can also kill theirs, it's a who shoots first.
You HAVE to lean into shooting them as empire, your infantry are worse, your cav is worse (maybe not demis), your monsters are shit.
Your only advantages are magic and shooting.
>>96106366
Cathay isn't better at casting if they are being Miao, if they are they aren't bringing Shugungen and Miao is a dragon most of the time, so only a Lvl 2.
The Mawshard is good but has to get into range (so a balloon) so kill that one balloon first with your own magic (lvl 3 to outrange it) and artillery.
It's not a sure thing but gambling on your infantry is a joke. Balloons will just shoot them to shit, same with Empire Cav.

>>96106492
One turn of empire cannons can also kill theirs
no, it can't

>>96106480
oh okay, can't help then

I’m gonna be honest. I don’t really care for humans…

>>96102613
>>96102619
Good paintjob, ignore the nomodels faggots. Paint the halberd chad next

>>96105627
LMAO that looks like dogshit

My body is ready for estalia and tilea

>>96103441
>a fucking weird Fimir centric AoI
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If they add fucking Estalia to the game there's actually hope for Araby.

>>96107514
No, there isn't, estalia exists only as bits options for tileans.

>>96103441
>fimir
Nice joke, didn't need so many more posts after it though

>>96107528
Tileans exist as bits for estalians

>>96107528
Which is more than they deserve but here we are.

>>96103441
>Fimir centric AoI

Why does every wishlist have to include Fimir that just proves it's false. I'm saying this as someone who likes them and owns Fimir models, but it's just obviously not going to happen.

>>96107634
As a setup for the rape helmet pic, of course

>celestial dragon blood can be inherited
>cathay dragons can breed as humans
>fimir can breed humans to birth fimir
>
genuine endgame scenario for the world

>>96106814
i do love this image, I don't even know why i just find it funny.

>>96107528
I've been waiting for dogs of war.

I'm gonna make a thematic 3k Beastmen army to counter my Bret army.

I want to give them an Albion/William Wallace style with blue warpaints. Also make them mostly chaos undivided but a bit tzeentchy with spawns and sheit.

I only play 6 edition.

Which units are a must?

>>96107685
It's the hanna barbera silhouette.

It is funny how the dragon siblings don't like each other but can't stop from popping out shugengan.

Look guys the wishlist is cool but it's very obviously completely fake

>>96107709
They make those by fucking humans, not by fucking each other, we also don't know if the dragons keep making new bloodlines by producing "first generation hybrids", or if the current shugengans are all grandgrandgrandchildren of a few first generation humans the dragons had once hundreds of years ago.

>>96107757
Who in their right mind would conceive of a heroquest inspired army of infamy?
Hell, is there anyone who would conceive that even in their wrong mind?

>>96107709
Shugengan happen when they fuck humans not each other

>>96107758
If total war's lore is canon, they do keep making new shugengans

I wish you could give foot knights the questing vow

I know you can do that for all intents and purposes by putting a questing knight paladin with the stubborn banner in with them, but the idea of a bunch of Bretonnian ronin/vagabonds all murder balled up looking for their next quest is cool

>>96107758
It’s too detailed and strange to be made up. Someone faking would have gone for something more believable.

>>96107670
Where might one find such fine art?

>>96107758
>>96107836
They should fuck each other, the idea that there's no incest in promiscuous millennia old dragons is frankly absurd.

>>96107868
They don't really get along with each other to begin with.

>>96107758
>>96107836
I know, the thing is these immortal demigods can't stop fucking humans.
And only humans. No elf, dwarf, whatever.
Gorolfson dwarf-thane? Rejected.
Idrileth elven maiden of unmated beauty and grace? Begone!
No the dragons crave Yin, rice farmer, or Sen, peasant conscripted to hold a flag. Or at best Wu, annoying scheming noble.

>>96103546
I'm torn on this because it's Fimir which is inherently a sign of a fake one, but then I can kind of see how a GW writer would come to this. E.g. with Tomb Guard the writer could want to include Grave Guard as elite wights raised by the Sorcerors but because those are AoS he had to make them Tomb Guard and instead go "Oh yeah some are in Marienburg." But then equally it could just be someone throwing some random shit like that in to make it just crazy enough to be believable.

>fimir AoI
With the right model swaps this is a snu-snu army.

>>96107670

godamn imagine all those female Jade Warriors getting their sideways pussies filled with BFC

>>96107896

Fimir were mentioned in the WoC Arcane Journal. They're coming (in any female models in your army)

The Tomb Guard are there because everything else in the list directly corresponds to a Heroquest monster and units of mummies aren't a thing anymore

>>96107836
>If total war's lore is canon

the team said the new range is based directly on the work of the total war team, so i would assume thats a safe bet. in fact i would not be surprised if the old world team started drawing more from the total war games given their success

>>96107868
>supreme matriarch of ahe-gau

>>96107949
This is wrong
I don't want this

>>96107949
What is wrong with you. What is wrong with everyone involved in this.

>>96107949
i dig it

>>96107944
Yeah I do think ToW takes everything from the games.

>>96107886
Superior chinese genes, gweilo

>>96107938
They were? Only reference I know about to Fimir is a vague "Swamp demons from Albion ruled by hags" in the core book.

>>96107851
I honestly thing they should re-do the foot knight kit so it includes bits for Questing Knights on foot (replace the axes with longswords, alternate heads and banners, ect).

>>96108072
It'd be a pretty easy upgrade sprue situation for sure

>>96108054
Kislev would make the most sense the the great war against chaos looming on the horizon... but I don't want to see ice-sleds pulled by bears...

>>96107968
>>96107983
We can go back to the previous topic then.

>>96108054
I wouldn't mind it at all

>>96108101
Kislev would be fine if they just ignored all the jank and focus on the good stuff like their cavalry, kossars, tsar guard and katarin on frost wyrm for the inevitable big monster. Mother Stank with some of her menagerie would be neat as a second wave.

>>96108255
>good stuff
>frost wyrm

>>96108149
BASED

Not sure if this is the right thread (i cant find/remember if there is a dedicated general for warhammer RP) but hey even if it isn't I think its slightly more constructive than faggy culture war discourse about whether the chinese are good or bad.

I wanna find players for a WHRP 4e campaign with the general premise being that players are in charge of a mercenary company in a post-end times old world where Archaeon was just barely defeated. It's been a few decades since and all the major threats to humanity have been repelled (chaos has subsided, the skaven empire got nerfed by lizardmen flooding them etc) but now the Empire has balkanized into dozens of princedoms, warlord states and city states. It'll be very golden age of berserk/the black company/mount and blade themed with a heavy emphasis on progressing "the company" rather than the focus being entirely on PCs, you'll be hex crawling across the world taking on contracts, managing your troops, supplies, munitions, reputation with various factions etc.

Here is our discord if u wanna join!! (inb4 some turbo grog goes on about how they only play by email or IRC channel). If we can get like 5 players together and decide on schedule to run I reckon I could get the game started within a month if I prep my little heart out.

https://discord.gg/w69JzEdF

>>96106765
Salt.

>>96108424
That looks better.

>>96108418
Fuck off

>>96108443
post models nigger

>>96108308
I'll tolerate one frost wyrm if that's what it takes for GW to forget about the giant ice bear, ice guard and ice bear sleds

>>96108456
post your character sheet so we can see your obese lesbian gnome oc

okay i know paintscheme questions are stupid but i have a paintscheme question.

miao yings scheme is like black, purple, silver and white, but the main units are mostly teal,steel, and red. is miao just a different color because she's royalty or whatever, or if she was leading the army would it be more appropriate to do the entire army in that black and purple scheme?

>>96108498
oh look another culture war faggot shadowboxing with reddit psyops in his head!

>>96108506
We don't have much info about the uniforms of cathay, but the dragons have a personal color scheme related to their nature, and the region they supervise doesn't necessarily align with that nature or bedeck themselves in the colours of their region's dragon.
the teal in the studio colour scheme is to evoke jade, which is practically a holy material for cathay and the dragon emperor, symbolising the eternal fortitude of the empire or some shit, same as the symbols on the shields, and that's unrelated to the fact one of the main dragons is known as the jade dragon.
then as far as I understand it, the engineers, gunners and crewmembers of various stuff end up being in guilds that are separate from the normal military body the warriors lancers belong to and which can have their own small heraldry and colours.
and then there's the celestial dragon guard that seems to generally wear yellow.

but these trends in the studio color schemes aren't that set in stone.

>>96108506
Meow's goons wear red.

>>96108418
This sounds like a great premise for a campaign. If I had more free time I'd sign up

>>96108424
That looks fine for a RPG character bit for a wargame unless it's a Isabella proxy very much out of place
>Why did I respond the base is round its never going to be used for warhammer

>>96108506
Chink girl looks good.
Dragon looks like a drag queen.

I am looking for an art piece I think is from this same artist.
It depicts a masked chorf lord on a taurus in front of a ziggurat, but I cannot find it for the life of me.
Back in the heydays of chaos dwarfs online I remember it was used for one of the fan made army books.
If anyone remembers what I am talking about I would love to see it again. Sorry for requesting.

>>96108662
>Dragon looks like a dragon queen
that's the idea

>>96108588
Dilate

>>96108665
you sure about the details?

Played a 1k pt beastmen into cult of slaanesh today to break from woodies. Ngl playing beastmen felt way better, I had way more models, hit hard, good Heros, and even more mobility it felt. Rolled nice on EotG even if both my mage and wargor got stupid. I played a pretty even mix of stuff too, but still fucked. Minos, centigor, gor, ungor, tuskgor, I just felt like I could play the game and not try to get my opponent to slip up or pray no bad magic missile would delete my army.
Anyone else get some games in this warhammer Wednesday?

>>96108691
Fairly sure. At least that it's a masked dwarf on a taurus.
The guy that made the art work I posted there ran a small website where he sold his own sculpts that looked just like the art I posted.
I think the same guy was the "main army book guy", and he wrote several versions of those army books.
This is why I think it's the same artist. It uses the same orange and black tones as the art we both posted, though I know yours is official from the Tamurkhan.

>>96108717
alright, found it here, now the challenge is finding it alone and in good quality

>>96105346
Nope
Since you got 3 weapon options in the state troops box you just gave one to thr manaans blades and the other to the state troops

>>96108723
YES!! That's the one! It's slightly different from how I remembered it, but that's gotta be it.
Thank you anon.

>>96108659
It looks better than the GW options. By a lot. Low/no armor with great for Lahmia. Or any vampire caster. There are heavier armored options out there too.

>>96108629
Is there an example of that somewhere without having to buy and install a video game? I didn't see it in the promo schemes

>>96108457
But the Ice Bear, Ice Guard and sleds are unironically better.
They should change Light Warsleds to be pulled by horse's so they have a different to heavy warsleds

>>96108757
Since you have no models and keep posting coombait the troll is too obvious, even if I agree there are far better vampire models than GW.

>>96108723
There's a version under Baggronor
https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/compilation-of-homebrew-chaos-dwarf-artwork-concept-sketches/878

>>96108793
The Cathay models GW has painted.

>>96108810
Lol gargle more.

>>96108810
>using sexyness as a pejorative when the original image has a midriff vampiress >>96102619
No consistency.

>>96108830
Goddamn it, even they haven't gotten a bigger version to archive.
>Baggronor
That was the guy's name. Man, the website looks way different but this struck me with such a wave of nostalgia.
Thank you for trying anon.

>>96108872
Not to mention the low cut boob armor to show cleavage.

>>96108849
That's better, looks like a vampire count not generic coombait. And lahmians tend to have some sort of scepter.
Do you have any models? Or are you just a faggot?

>>96108953
>>96108953
>>96108953
New

>>96106302
Right and being unable to field cheap wizards is a liability for defense, even at +1 better to cast, you're about two thirds as likely to get your spells off because of a wizard that costs a third of yours.

>>96108872
>>96108893
Because of course a functional dress and proper weapons are the same as a pornographic see-through nightgown. Bad faith faggotry again, as expected from GWDS tards.

>>96106814
>>96107670
How the fuck did these guys reproduce before the Old Ones came and made humans? Did they fuck dinosaurs or something?

It's interesting that this 'leak' has just completely taken over all TOW discussion basically everywhere unlike basically any other leak, real or fake, before.

>>96109862
It's speculated their partial infertility is as a result of their pact with the chaos gods, though old lore had them be a post cataclysm race and the result of daemons interbreeding with humans.

>>96113566
>It's interesting that this 'leak' has just completely taken over all TOW discussion basically everywhere unlike basically any other leak, real or fake, before.
Its not the first time a leak on 4chan, regardless of the board and subject, has spread far and wide. The anonymity of the site ensures this happens regularly. Theres also the language, or culture, of the writing that makes it easy to energize discussions, again typical of 4chan