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TQ:
What's your favorite set?
>>96094158 (OP)Champions of Kamigawa. Neon Dynasty can fuck off.
Reposting the proxy I'm gonna get for my birthday.
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>Station only as a sorcery.
>>96094158 (OP)og mirrodin is pure SOVL
>friend built pic related
>it's t4 and the animar player has 8 counters on it and is threatening to play more shit next turn
>cleopatra is on the field along with some fallout grandma
>I need to boardwipe or animar will run away with the game
>cleo player draws 12 cards
>he runs away with the game instead
is she actually kinda good?
>>96094158 (OP)When the fuck is this guy going to get a reprint?
what's a fun combat trick commander? I wanna see people's expression go from "heh alright bub" to "oh shi-"
>>96094228the real question is, when is WotC finally gonna ban all "when opponent is alive, draw a card" mechanics?
>>96094251Some trample and forced blocking can become a boardwipe.
So...which Sonic commander are you building?
>>96094340Shadow. Go fast and die tribal sounds like it could be fun. Also a place to put all those mobilize cards from Tarkir that I haven't had a place for yet.
>>96094340I AM THE EGGMAN
THAT'S WHAT I AM
I AM THE EGGMAN
I GOT THE MASTER PLAN
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The legendary vehicle commander change makes this SLD make a lot more sense
>>96094474Does it? Only one of these can be a commander.
>>96094486Yeah i fucked up there, im tired.
My bad
>>96094194lmao what
I didn't even notice because I didn't think they would be that retarded
Why the FUCK do they keep attaching this super fucking lame overly safe line of text on every goddamn thing that could have been cool.
>>96094493it happens
Man, I wish I could use mechtitan as a commander though.
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>>96094340MOVE ASIDE, you wouldn't like to get caught in the way of his alpha stride.
BEHOLD, his power is compared to that of Sonic but a hundredfold.
BEWARE, believe me when I tell you, even the the GoDs, he manages to scare.
ADMIRE, his unconscionable aura overflows like a wildfire.
FEAR, for no type of sin, will he be unable to hear.
HUSH, for once his grip is made, there is nothing he is unable to crush.
BOOM, is the last sound villains hear, before experiencing perpetual gloom.
JUSTICE, is what he enforces with absolute efficacy, far and wide against all malice.
LEGION, is the popular denomination for his fans, spanning all directions, and every region.
EXCELLENCE, is what his person displays, every time threads commence.
ENTER, his perspicacious fans, are more than capable of high wit and banter.
CHADOW, is the name of God. Rejoice, fellow brethren.
>>96094474I fucking despise shit like this.
>>96094474I've yet to see someone play one of these.
>>96094500latinadoubters in shambles
>shadow is rakdos because he is literally black and red
>amy is boros because she is pink (red+white)
>sonic is jeskai because he is blue and you have to be able to run amy in the same deck since thay are a couple (and tails too)
>zoidberg is boros because his futurama colorpalette is literally red and white
with UB slop it's fine because they are not real magic to break the colorwheel but now the coloring book tier design is seeping in universe too
>>96094625i genuinely wonder about the sheer irony poisoning and mental illness that leads to posts like this. I'm not even going to argue with you because you're just being intentionally disingenuous to create friction. Have fun replying to yourself for the next hour or so.
>>96094499>Man, I wish I could use mechtitan as a commander though.You and me both fellow /m/fag
>>96094631based consoomer
>>96094642I'm over here using shorikai like some kinda fag because it's the best we got.
>>96094662I fucking hate NEO I do appreciate that Shorikai is basically a Qubeley.
>>96094700I can see it.
In any case, I could definitely see a gundam UB product at some point desu
>>96094625There is no zoidberg card
>>96094625>>zoidberg is boros because his futurama colorpalette is literally red and whiteThis one got me.
>>96094340Sonic is going in the 99 of my Rainbow Dash_____ deck
>>96094495Given the recent Standard bans I think theyโve finally realised they donโt know how to make good cards anymore. They either are completely shit or are completely broken with no inbetween.
>>96094515>>96094474I love shit like this, but the biggest dissappointment is that they didn't put any actual, real miniature diecast models on the card
>>96094625What about Shadow isn't aligned with black and red?
I feel myself getting weaker by the day. Just pathetic and tired. Soon I won't even be a wagie anymore. Just a pathetic NEET. I wonder what Thalia would even do if she saw me. Probably turn away in complete disgust. But then, would it even matter? She already would be disgusted by me. She is a kind and merciful soul but I know weakness disgusts her, like it disgusts all women. That's why my ex girlfriend left me. That's why some part of Thalia would probably desire to run her rapier through my heart, and then burn my disgusting body with divine fire until it is ash. I wish I was good enough for her. I've started working out. I already eat healthy, just not enough. Not enough to get larger like I would need to be. But I will still always be ugly. I took apart my Thalia EDH deck. I don't know if death and taxes is even a thing in modern but maybe I'd play my Thalias there. I have 4 of her. I don't know why I even bought them. Like buying pictures of your ex gf or something. Except I never dated her and never will.
>>96094227She's always been good
>>96094625>shadowAmbitious, willing to do anything for his goals, including sacrificing himself and others.
>amyIs a mix of passion, love, and love. Has a soft spot for the weak and likes justice
>sonicA free spirit that also likes to save the weak and downtrodden, but isn't above being a trickster and using cunning to accomplish his goals
>take a massive shit
>wipe
>it's perfectly clean
>later on feel itchy
>shitstains all over my shorts
This is what UB is.
>>96095086>sonic>A free spirit that also likes to save the weak and downtrodden, but isn't above being a trickster and using cunning to accomplish his goalsand red because he likes chilidogs
>>96094183Looks, cute. Have fun with it, furfren.
>>96094158 (OP)TQ:
Innistrad. All of them.
well? is it another thoughtcast or a dud?
>>96095182>7 mana draw 3What do you think
>>96095112He's red because he's impulsive. How many times has he made a split second decision or gamble?
>>96095273Red makes sense
White is iffy
Blue is outright nonsensical
>>96095280Blue makes sense because Sonic regularly outsmarts the greatest genius in the world(and universe), Dr Robotnik
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96095189>forgot yukikaze and ingridFixed.
>>96095182Looks like something affinity in modern legacy might see play. Easily something they could cast turn 1 or 2 for a little more gas
The lobster in EOE is nlthing like zoidberg im really confused. I assume some content creator said this and now all the hylic lemmings are going around repeating it? Very weird.
Also, stationing as a sorcery is fine. It would be way to unfair otherwise
>hold up blockers
>no attacks (or since you dont need to tap to block it doesnt matter!)
>station at the end of turn to get a massive tempo swing FOR FREE
I think you people are just shit at game design. The mechanic would be absurdly broken if you could do it whenever. As is its in a good place
>I can attack for tempo
>or u can station for greater tempo gain a turn later
>>96095590now if only there was a single good Station card to justify the mechanic being "fair"
>>96095590>station 12 for a 3/5 flying is โgood designโAnonโฆ
Newfag here who hasn't played mtg in 15 years and I have no cards, would I be better off buying a starter deck from wotc or a precon online? I will be playing very casually with a few friends to start off so I dont care very much about it being good.
>>96095676The cheapest way to get in would be to ask for chaff/cards from your friends if they've been playing and have cards, then buy or get a legendary creature to be your general.
>>96095676Just ask your friend to build one for you.
>>96095590>nlthing like zoidberg im really confused. True
>I assume some content creator said this and now all the hylic lemmings are going around repeating it? Probably yes
>I think you people are just shit at game design. The mechanic would be absurdly broken if you could do it whenever. As is its in a good placeI agree with this, but the problem is that they did not balance it properly. It's a fine mechanic at sorcery speed, but none of the stations we got are worth stationing at sorcery speed to get them to turn on. The juice isn't worth the squeeze
>>96095670>a 2 mana 3/5 flying lifelink that is also an anthem effect is actually weakAs said, you simply do not understand game design.
>>96095623Very good card. All of them are, as they are near properly costed for the base card, everything else is just gravy.
>>96095749>properly costed for the base cardThis card does nothing without stationing
>>96095758And yet like I fucking said its near appropriately costed for just that despite it having a world of additional upside stapled onto it.
>>96095749>a literal three mana do nothing>almost every spell with Station is an X mana do nothing>even the lands are tap lands
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>>96095623Just yesterday I played against someone trying out this thing and it performed disgustingly well. Tutored Machinist's Arsenal with Cloud, cast it, tapped the creature to immediately charge it up to over 20. The only thing the guy needed was many artifacts which isn't hard to achieve. He also had a clock of omens in play, so it was basically gg at that point.
One fully charged station tippy tappy please.
>>96095749Why would I ever station 12 instead of just swinging for 12?
>>96095772It's not a 0/8 when you cast it though, do you not get that? It's only a 0/8 when it's at 12+
>>96095799Maybe cause you don't have evasion on your 12 power creature, so it just gets chump blocked anyway?
>>96095772>This whole time you misunderstood the templatingI said this Early on, the templating for these cards sucks and they are unclear
>>96095799Becauss you straight up do not understand the game cause you dont play it. I can think of a ton of scenarios where you can station but couldn't attack safely.
>have 4 creatures>all opponents have 3 creatures>I could swing all 4 at one person and get some damage in but then im open!>I could swing all 3 at one person and force some blocks and station but then im open!>I could use one to station and still have an adequate number of blockers!>propaganda and ghostly prison effects>simply not good attacks because lots of low power death touch blockersMaybe you should actually play the game
>>96095818Oh yeah im retarded well then that point falls flat, kinda. This card compared to corpse churn is a similar cmc. Seems they rightfully have factored the power of the station abilities into the cost makes sense
>>96095823Nah I just woke up 5 minutes before the post
>>96095793>three card combo (plus a bazillion artifacts) where one of the cards is a tutorthrilling
>>96095834yes, since you are essentially paying the Warp cost to juice another spell
>>96095848>can station and leave yourself completely open >this is somehow a big brain move
Your spacecraft is now a Titan submarine.
>>96095866>I could use one to station and leave open blockersHow did you get
>station and leave yourself openOut of anything I posted? It's clear you do not play the game anon and that is okay.
>>96095866>No reading comprehensionNo surprise
>>96095852It is one way to make really good use of it, which is the entire point. At base the card is already decently good anyway and the clock of omens just made it go insane. But even without it, the potential ramp is insane. I'm sure other decks can easily reach the 20 counters as well. It's not like it's hard to put power onto the battlefield.
I'm tired of midrange creature piles resulting in a stall at my table, I tried building Marisi to force combats but it just makes enemies. Is there any bracket 2/hyper casual combo/control decks that I can play to avoid the clogged boardstate
>>96095799You could play phrexiandreadnaught and tap it before you pay the cost, you could also use non-hasted creatures to tap down the effect. A lot of times you may just have some little creatures that can't get through but can tap into the ability.
Station is pretty lame because it's at sorcery speed though
>>96096015Run creature sweeps that do 2-5 damage
>>96094227No, your group are just a bunch of Timmies that don't run removal or control.
>>96096017>You could play phrexiandreadnaught and tap it before you pay the costNo you can't
>>96096022Honestly I was thinking of running an amalia or whatever her name is lifegain deck, but I need more aristocrat/counters pieces.
>>96096017No you cannot do that
My pod is retarded
They complain about some nigga playing propaganda and ghostly prision andthey wont running more enchantment removal or focus him first knowingly it will become imposible later
>>96096096Sadly zoomers are all nigbrained
>>96096015How about giving your opponents some incentives when they attacked each other. The thing about Marisi is that they gain nothing from it thus making them sour grapes when attacking.
>>96094251Xyris.
Punching cards and tokens out of people gets out of hand so fast
>>96096096>Run cathers and a commander that makes tokens that are tapped and attacking Can't relate.
>>96096096I played a game with my friends who thought propaganda was the most broken card ever since they always tapped out every turn then complained about not being able to swing at me, and when one of them had removal in hand they casted other random shit instead of removing it
SONIC'S IDENTITY IS NOT BLUE
>>96096114Yes it is
He regularly outsmarts Eggman
>>96096110you have to pay anyway
>>96096145outrunning is not the same as outsmarting
>finally got officially approved as a brick and mortar store
>Made a single post in one of the magic groups locally and had like 20+ people respond
>A few of my friends that used to play are coming back to the game
Seems like we might have the biggest magic locals in town now
>>96096114Most characters with a blue identity aren't very blue in concept. Blue's identity of intelligence and rationality isn't very applicable when its poster boy, Jace, is an impulsive and reckless hero who does more improvising than planning. And its former poster boy, Urza, was a yet more reckless man motivated entirely by pettiness, vengeance, fury, and hate.
Pretty much Teferi is the only blue guy who's actually blue and he's STILL a man of seething fury and impulsive recklessness, he just keeps his lid on it nowadays.
>>96096160They are put in attacking, they never attack
I love magic
>>96095848>I could swing all 4 at one person and get some damage in but then im open!you realize you have to tap the creatures to station right?
>I could swing all 3 at one person and force some blocks and station but then im open!you realize you have to tap the creatures to station right?
>I could use one to station and still have an adequate number of blockers!wow! just a few more turns and It'll be stationed!
>>propaganda and ghostly prison effectsskill issue
>simply not good attacks because lots of low power death touch blockersskill issue
He's actually the true poster boy for blue.
>>96096193One of the first ruling things I learned when I built kaalia
Learning how master of cruelties worked was fucking amazing
>>96096114i think its hard to justify sonic being anything than mono red MAYBE red/green
Rather tap my 12/12 for a Springleaf Drum than StAtIoN it.
>>96095749>>96095590"You don't understand game design! I, who has played since Final Fantasy, do!"
It's a shit mechanic with a shit payoff. It could've been instant speed and 99% of the station cards still wouldn't be played.
I have zero impulse control and can't stop building decks
My last card arrived and my deck is complete
I feel empty now.
>>96096286Same, but I always try before I buy with TTS.
>>96096293This nigga using text to speech to yell his moves, mock him
>>96096160I have to pay the 4 for the one creature I attacked with, but everything that came in due to its trigger are not taxed nor are they restricted by things like pic related.
>>96096207You are genuinely retarded anon and im afraid its terminal. Nothing in this post relates to mine.
>few more turnsDepends... if you have 4 8/8s then likely just the one! It adds equal to its power anon
>>96096293I do a rough draft on moxfield and do some test hands
But I usually order a bunch of extra stuff that has potential
>>96096262Ive been playing since original ravnica. And you have no arguments against it. I predict they'll see quite decent play.
>it could've been instant speedObjectively it would be one of the most broken mechanics in the game if it was instant speed lmao
>hold up blockers>also get free value while protecting yourself>lol just give me everything with no downsides imaginable please I have to think when there are downsides >>96096260>im really bad but I think its a virtue!
>>96096338>You are genuinely retarded anon and im afraid its terminal. Nothing in this post relates to mine.great argument tard
>Depends... if you have 4 8/8s then likely just the one! It adds equal to its power anonwow! put myself back 8 damage for a 3/2 WOOOOW AMAZING!! id love to see you win with this shit
>>96096364There's nothing to argue against anon all you did was whinge about tapping like a moron.
Anyone who plays the game knows there are plenty of times where no attacks will do anything. But you do not play the game so that is lost on you
>>96096260>I could just win by turning my 12/12 sideways>but what if I tap it for this dogshit tapland
>>96096260No you wouldn't kek
> me playing selesnya tokenspam
> Kiddo:"Whoa, you should really play doubling season. The card is perfect for your deck. Do you know what it does? It's really cool."
> Yes, I know. I've been playing this game for 15 years. In fact, I own a copy. No, I do not want to play it. Are you looking for one? I am selling.
Man, I remember as a child always getting scammed with fake pokemon and yugioh cards. Gotta spread the love
>>96096403I accept your concession
>>96096222Master of Cruelties in Kaalia feels too tryhard
Spacecrafts HATE this one trick.
>>96096428In playing kaalia, regardless if my build is a meme pure angel deck or actually good, I'm arch enemy if people see her so my deck is trying to survive 1v3
>>96096453This is why you can't station at instant speed.
>>96096411>is chumpblocked>now you're open to no benefit and all the defender lost was a single token>>96096420You are welcome to i still have not seen a single argument from you
There are also definitely no synergies with tapping that you want to avoid attacking with.
Since we are talking propaganda, help a newfag out
lets say player A goads me
player B has propaganda
player C is there
If i have open mana and i target player B and refuse to pay the tax does the attack still goes?
i case im tapped out im forced to attack player C?
>>96096463Pretty goddamn sure it's because it fucks with the new player experience.
Wizards makes it a big deal that on board open information objects cannot change power/toughness/body count at instant speed at common rarity.
A noob is already hard pressed navigating the combat phase as is. Having a permanent with an activated ability that says 4 mana: create a 1/1 saproling will literally make his synapses smoke.
>>96096463Station should instead read
"Station only during your turn"
I want to do it instant speed on my turn
>>96096489You are not forced to pay taxes. In fact funny thing about goading and Propaganda, since you cant be forced to pay taxes, is you can attack the person who goaded you. Because THEY MUST attack but they dont have to pay taxes to do so.
>>96096489You would have to attack Player C. If Player C is not there, you could attack Player A.
>>96096489Paying the mana does not happen after attack declaration. It is a simultaneous part of the action. Can't declare attacks without paying. And you have to declare attacks, because it is goaded.
>>96096520>>96096527>>96096532thanks bros, it was a possible scenario on my table, now im ready for it
>>96096489>target player B and refuse to pay the tax does the attack still goes?No, the 2 is paid as a cost to declare the attack at all. There is no refusing to pay. However, like others have pointed out though, you cannot be forced to attack someone if there's a cost, since you cannot be forced to pay the tax.
>im tapped out im forced to attack player C?Yes
Sets are moving too fast.....
>>96096471There was you just went "uhhh duhhh errrr you wetarded!!"
Get 9-for-1'ed by doomblade. Respond with another 9-for-1
>>96096581Still bad but we're always one set away form a one drop legendary dragon/changeling
>>96096601>Chameleon, Many-Faced is the card that makes Mox Jasper playablepls no
>>96096601It's great in Chiss-Goria turbo aggro.
>>96096587>there wasAnd im asking you what it was because all I saw was
>you have to tap you know!!!!>skill issue!!!!!Wheres the argument my guy
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>>96094158 (OP)>What's your favorite set?It's difficult to choose, I'm definitely most nostalgic for Odyssey block but Lorwyn-Shadowmoor has my favorite aesthetic. Mirrodin was up there previously but it feels ruined by nuPhyrexia slop.
>>96096601Llanowar Elves is in Standard and not being played anon. It would have to be a REALLY good 1-drop.
>>96096757Why would it? Ramp is largely an EDH thing.
>>96096757Need a Deathrite Shaman comeback.
>>96096703>Lorwyn-ShadowmoorAnd Morningtide. It was such a beautiful set. It's art reminded me a lot of World of Warcraft. For a pure diverse great artset, the Urza block wins hands down, and it has the best old borders.
I have a confession to make anons.
I've been intentionally playing as a bad faith actor in public games for weeks now.
I built 3 Abzan decks (they're actually all the same deck but with different commanders that are irrelevant to the 99) with the expressed purpose of being as miserable as possible to play against. I then justify it using bad takes from other players and EDH YouTubers like Trinket Mage, doing shit like flickering Elvish Doomsayer 5 times on turn 3 saying I need to do it so the Izzet player (who has not even cast a single cantrip) can't combo off.
I am my own villain, packing every problem card and undesirable archetype I could think of into this deck. The typical play pattern is instakilling one player then deliberately stalling to build a lock for the other two, the main goal being to maximize time players spend not having fun.
>>96096892Now this is EDH.
>>96096831For Mox Jasper to be good in EDH that sets the bar far higher. Like "MH6" levels of good.
I use Standard as an example to point out how turn 1 ramp isn't really a big groundbreaking play anymore, and if it costs 2 cards (Mox Jasper and a type), the real lifting would need to be done by the 1-drop being so good it justifies 4 garnets yet being not good enough that you can just cut Mox Jasper.
Thalisse, Zethis or yurlok as my next deck
>>96096892How are you flickering anything five times on turn three
>>96096967My first turn is Manabond and my turn 2 is Recycling or Case of the Locked Hothouse.
or just Burgeoning (more common but less funny).
Like I said, I'm really not restricting myself so degenerate sacky cards are all on the table.
>>96096967He's playing abzan, lots of ramps and rituals.
>>96096967He's larping you moron
>>96097023Why would I LARP being a self-admitted pubstomper? So anons will tell me how good I am at the game for proving Abzan can have degenerate play patterns? Any retard can do this the only thing stopping them is basic decency.
>>96097051AIEEEEE THAT'S MASS LAND DENIAL FOR MY 5C SLOP PILE I'M CALLING A BRACKET JUDGE!!!!
>>96097051Every time I think I've seen every old card some whacky ass bullshit like this pops up.
>>96096182Good on you anon, hope it's a fun and profitable venture
>>96097051>*checks binder*Heh. I have this card. Worth something too.
>>96096892It's post like these that justify my flat-out refusal to play at any LGS. No games are better than bad ones, especially when anons like this exist in the wild.
>>96096187>seething furySounds like they are just like most blue control players
>>96097051That open islands across the table are now funny.
>>96097051Pairs well with this if you have the selesnya colors.
>>96097080WAIT IT'S OTHER PEOPLE'S LANDS TOO OH FUCK
>>96097050And yet here you are larping
>>96096308I fucking love this little nigga so much. Absolute people's champ against aggro
>>96094183>>96095150Kill yourself and yiff in hell, yiffnigger.
>>96097076He is literally larping probably because he hates magic and wants you to stop playing.
>>96097093Would you perhaps like my decklist anon?
>>96097107You are welcome to share a deck list it doesnt make your larp real lmao
>>96097050>I am a faggot who intentionally ruins people's time>ermm why would I lie about this even though I know it'll upset people and I've made that very clear thats all I care aboutYou played yourself retard
>>96097119Then would you perhaps like a video of the next time I play this deck being played at the Superbowl while the footage is confirmed by over 500 witnesses including the halftime performers and Tibetan monks sworn to truthfulness?
>>96097106>wants you to stop playingThat's not gonna happen, I have a steady playgroup of friends that been together for other a decade, my only problem with it is that we need new blood to stir up the meta. My girlfriend who has recently started playing has helped but every time I think about going to a LGS to recruit, I'm hit with stories like this and am reminded why the people at an LGS play there: they are scum or scum adjacent and I want nothing to do with them nor do I want to invite them to the host's house, just for them to ruin the night, somehow.
I play a 3 color deck with Blood Moon, Magus, Ruination and Collector Ouphe.
>>96097192That looks like a badass deck, anon.
>>96097131Make people upset? Maybe, but that's not my goal.
My goal is to spit the hypocrisy of players back in their faces by engaging in a miserable play pattern then spouting their own "ends justify the means" logic back at them. Oh you think interaction is unfun? I made a board that you need to interact with, except I also turned off all (most) interaction by making it permanently Hexproof/Indestructible and my phasing spells can't be countered.
You focus players out of the game because you think they might combo off despite them doing fuckall? I've unilaterally ejected you from the game on turn 3 with this same reasoning.
Oh you think Mind Twist is black's way to remove enchantments? You'll have no complaints about me using Wit's End targeting you then, right?
I play this way because I have been on the receiving end of all this logic, and I am simply proving that violence breeds violence in the most unhealthy way. and yes, this is a self-own showing I'm mentally fragile enough to do this.
>>96097163You can probably find some good people at the LGS. It takes one bad actor to ruin a game but that doesn't mean all 3 other players were bad people. My story is a personal example.
how viable are mill decks? pic rel is fun against my friend's eldrazi deck because of annihilator bullshit, but I feel like there are too many ways to avoid getting milled out. Should I add in more stuff like consuming aberration?
Quick! Your essential combo piece or wincon got exiled from your deck. How are you getting it back? As a Bant player, it's old reliable.
>pic related
Is she fun? I like the concept, but then I remember that even after multikicking her you still have to pay for the cost on all the spells, and being in azorius aside from bouncing stuff and creature removal I feel like you wouldn't have fun stuff to cast
>>96097225Mill as a main strategy is counterintuitive since there are a lot of decks that utilize graveyard these days. If you want to empty their library you have to do it in one shot or else they're going to take advantage from that.
is every single set until the end of time going to have a +1/+1 counter subtheme? I'm so sick of this shit
>>96097215>It takes one bad actor to ruin a gameAnd that's all the justification I need to label you scum, as well as anyone else going to the LGS. Because, even without hearing stories about it, my own personal experience bears this out. At least all you're doing is making other scum miserable, so I care far less. If you were doing this to a personal playgroup of yours, I would want you to kill yourself, promptly.
is every single set until the end of time going to have a mana subtheme? I'm so sick of this shit
Here it is. The commander we've been waiting for.
We're so back.
>>96097275Gotta push the green decks yo.
>>96097275Counters, tokens thats the entire game now
>>96097296If I played this way in my personal group I don't think it would stay that way very long lmao
>>96097225>>96097273Also many cards like Eldrazi fuck up and undo your mill. You have to prepare for that.
In my Vendilion Clique 1v1 deck I utilize Tunnel Vision for a quick and easy win sometimes.
>>96097296Reading your posts i am 1000% certain it is everyone else you engage with that is always at fault and you play no part in negative outcomes you experience. Im so sorry anon :(
>>96097300More like osteoporosis.
>>96097308I've noticed this. That's why I play Teneb and have almost all of the board wipes in the game. Easy mode since nobody ever runs counters, or they tap out each turn over-extending their board with tokens, counters, enchantments etc.
>>96097308at least they come up with new tokens from time to time
>>96097275WotC has no balls otherwise they would print more counter hate pieces
>>96097340They did print one that just brutally shut down any kind of counters strat.
>>96097351Let's go more Clive copies
I wonder whose dick Jeremy had to suck to be allowed to draw something besides generic gacha-game art.
>>96097320Naw, I've done my fair share of things to make games unfun, no need to project onto me anon. In fact, I relish being Archenemy more than my fair share, but I never go out of my way to be flat out unfun to play against and if my group says I'm doing some fuck Boi shit, then I dial it back or stop. No reason to assume everyone is a narcissistic asshole, like yourself.
>>96097351More Etali support.
>>96095590>red>white>obsessed with foodHow dense are you people? The reference is crystal clear.
Verdict on black's Arch Charm?
>>96097225They're just barely ok these days be prepared to be hated out of nearly every game though even if you are barely doing anything
>>96097403Remove the last ability and replace it with draw 2 lose 2 and it'd be perfect
>>96097403The +1/+1 counter seems off.
>>96097400Lobsters are usually red? Chefs usually wear white? Everything eats? Im not seeing it at all. Besides zoidberg is pink, his outfit is more pale green than white and hes a doctor who is always starving, hes not obsessed, he makes no money and is always starving.
How many people here actually have dedicated playgroups versus just playing with randoms at an lgs?
>>96097403Last ability is a major let down. Should've been draw for life, like
>>96097425 says. Or, failing that, Deathtouch instead of lifelink.
>>96097437 >Have a lobster >Popular lobster is zoidberg >Call the lobster zoidberg It's really not that deep
>>96097437I'm sorry for your autism
>>96097459After not playing for over a decade we just got our old group back together after finding a new group. Life's good.
>>96097273>do it in one shotthat's the goal, picrel and bruvac. But yeah, your picrel + trample would be gg for me
>>96097314my friend's deck has a bunch of gucci eldrazis, so I can't mill him out but I can still get a cheapo ulamog and kill him with that.
>>96097300This looks bad though, why would anyone play this? No abilities sucks
I hate this art style. Does any part of the MTG fanbase actually like the sanitized 50's pulp sci-fi aesthetic?
>>96097076>it's posts like these that make me a onions coward>anon reads that someone died in a car crash>"I'll never drive, everyone dies getting in a car."
>>96097400Stop pushing this
Zoidberg isint a chef
>>96097459my playgroup fell apart a few years ago due to gay arguments unfortunately
i still occasionally play at a few different lgs but honestly playing with randoms is kinda miserable because it feels like every random boils down to either some guy playing his very first game with an untouched precon, combo pubstomper who swears his deck with multiple 2 card combos isnt that strong or timmy playing some ramp or value pile that has a meltdown if anyone plays any form of interaction
>>96097519put it in a W/B reanimation deck. All you need to do is flicker the skeleton.
pretty good for a 3cmc creature who just needs to tap to reanimate.
>>96097521Yes. I do. I hate nuSpace-Fantasy Disney slop aesthetics with a passion. Long live actual art styles.
>>96097400What is this autism where everything has to be a reference
>>96097537But what's your reanimating is just a skeleton of the actual creature.
I could see this being okay with flicker like you mentioned but past that it's stupid
>>96097400I feel like if there was an explicit Zoidberg card, he'd probably be like red-green.
>>96097400Enough of this reddit thinking
>>96097539This does look like Disney slop though.
>>96097250>Your essential combo piece or wincon got exiled from your deck.Which one?
>How are you getting it back? I'm not. I have other combo pieces and wincons.
>>96097541>>96097530>there's zero references in Magic the gathering sets!Ceci n'est pas une amogus
>>96097400Found the hylic lemming
>>96097563christ youre dumb stop (You)ing me
>>96097578>professor I learned that word I just learned in your college class again! I am a very smart 18 year old!
>>96097250I just yoink one from across the table.
>>96097589I'm older than you faggot
Back to r3ddit with you
>>96097519Its literally free recursion for the stat line at the very least. You could flicker it im sure in a multicolored as well
>>96097563Nah this looks fucking kino. Most of them do, they look just like the funky retro sci fi I grew up with. This looks like the book cover to some fantastic piece of sci fi fantasy from the 50s
>>96097595It's okay teenanon, you can say Reddit here.
>>96097571This is not even remotely close to zoidberg and the chef.
>>96097619A reference is a reference is a reference is a reference.
>thinking about building the skeleton legendary
>"oh man, dreadnought would be cool in this deck"
>$130
I LOVE THE RESERVED LIST
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>>96097581No. The art is ugly (just like most of EOE, just a different kind of ugly).
Is this mass land denial?
>>96097650Get this bracket 4 card OUTTA HERE
>>96097629One is a reference. One is not. You see how the imposter is getting voted out (the shadow hands) it is a direct, art work and everything, reference to the game. The lobster has NOTHING to make you think of Futurama, or zoidberg, beyond the fact that they are both lobsters.
Is pic related a reference to Laika? It's a dog in space after all! That is literally the level this zoidberg "reference" is on.
>>96097630Seems kinda shit anyways.
>>96097525>onions coward>For not going to play at a venue that's is generally shitty and has miserable people to play with>Even through my own experiencesIf we're going to continue your analogy, it would be like me getting into a car, regularly getting into crashes, no matter the car, then refusing to drive. Then calling me a coward for not driving when, experience tell me driving is going to result in a crash. Naw anon, I think I'm fine walking, if YOU like regularly getting into crashes, that's good on you!
>>96097650Yeah, sorry sweaty. You can only play it in bracket 4 (where it sucks), therefore it's effectively soft-banned from the entire format!
>>96097658This is a reference to Mars Attacks!
>>96097662That experience just pinpoints you being a retarded driver.
>>96097662Maybe you should learn how to drive nigga lmao
>>96097650You can have the same result for half of the mana.
Jund says you shall play basics.
>>96097658>You see how the imposter is getting voted out (the shadow hands) it is a direct, art work and everything, reference to the game. Um, aschually, if you look closely, that alien has 4 arms, whereas amogus don't even have arms, and if you aschually look you can see it's not wearing a onesie. Therefore its not a sus reference mechud
>The lobster has NOTHING to make you think of Futurama, or zoidbergBesides being a space lobster that loves food, correct. Because as we all know there are dozens of popular food obsessed space lobster characters in fiction, not just the one major one most nerds would think of if you said "Hey, name me a Space Lobster character that loves food."
>>96097673>>96097679These anons wait at LGSs to make games miserable for others.
>>96097695But he's a CHEF
>>96097695>loves foodZoidberg doesnt love food. Watch the fucking show. He is in crippling debt from start to finish. He is simply starving at ALL TIMES. Because he does not make money. That's why he eats trash (which a chef wouldn't do), because its free and available.
>>96097704I am loved by all at my LGS they appreciate my company and think I make very cool decks. I simply think you should drive better if you're crashing all the time
>>96097300THE KING RETURNS
Another Seb's secret lair is welcomed.
How are you guys received by people at your LGS? It seems the reception I get is either love or hate. The more experienced players tend to come over during my game and see what I've thrown together this week.
Most of the hostility I've gotten has always been from new players or players with a shitter mentality. Someone I podded into recently called my deck "confusing and too much of a headache to understand," and then when I asked when he started, he told me fucking Aetherdrift.
He left in a huff after that game. But his friend in the same pod immediately showed me his own deck and asked for in-depth advice. Because he was similarly new but didn't get fucking salted by losing.
I dissuaded him from some expensive pickups (winmore token doublers like Anointed Procession, pointing out for that $80 he could fine-tune his whole deck to a much higher power level). He took that to heart I think, since he was adding cards mentioned to a Moxfield list for later.
>>96097784I've played with the same ~9 people for the past 10 years, and 99% at someone's home instead of the LGS so I wouldn't know. I don't miss playing with smelly randoms, though.
>>96097519Would they still get death triggers? Since they'd get all their abilities back once they hit the grave.
>>96097737I still have no reason to play at a LGS and you have no argument to convince me. I love my games with my playgroup, I have no reason to play with anyone else. If people like you didn't go out of your way to make others miserable, I would perhaps give it another go but I've had to many experiences with anons like
>>96096892 >>96097215 to even feel the urge. You keep trying to shame me though for wanting better games, maybe that will convince me!
>>96097694I love this card, I have a foil but no deck for it. Don't wanna build windgrace, any suggestions?
>>96097806I get bored as shit playing with the same people over and over, so I couldn't stand that.
>>96097856OG korvold? Gives him a counter and you draw a card.
Sek'kuar manlands????
New EOE jund guy
Really all I can think of that would actually synergize with it and not just have the colors
>>96097893t. Actual zoomer who is unable to make friends and can't imagine a stable friend group that isn't co-workers
>>96097925I literally have a friend group who plays Magic. It's just not as novel doing that after, I dunno, 15 years of playing Commander together?
>>96097925Unless the pod is always making new decks i can understand, lgs provides new decks to go up against i do both personally, as my friend group likes their decks and I dont need to push them to make more if thats what they like
>>96097300>>96097537too bad flicker's so shit in black
>>96097820nah since they don't have those abilities when as they die
>>96097748Not by WoTC. He's persona non grata; ain't happening.
>make her spotlight card shit
>her final card is digital only
still cant cope
>>96097784I think I'm well liked enough. Regulars greet me and don't groan if I ask to sit down at a pod. I win more than my fair share of games, but imo I usually do an okay job of matching deck power levels, and the games are typically long and interactive.
Any super spicy obscure cards I could run with her
>>96098117Omniscience and a flicker.
>>96096601Automaton exists and this is still not a great card
>>96098121I've got a ton of flicker effects and I did grab omniscience
So far one of the mvps I've found is yshtola since so many of the manifest effects happen on end phase
does Tekuthal make Contagion Engine and Roalesk proliferate four times? I think I'm getting confused by the wording. Agent Frank Horrigan says "proliferate twice" instead of "proliferate, then proliferate again," is that mechanically different in any way, or is it just a non-retroactive wording update seeing as Tekuthal also says "proliferate twice?"
>>96096892>flickering Elvish Doomsayerthis doesn't do anything as a death trigger. fake n gay
Is he fun, I'm a goblin and I like theft decks
>>96097784I'm liked but I also shower and have a wife that plays(well) and is also sweet and nice(outside of game) and that gets me so far ahead of the curve I don't even have to do much. I usually bring some high power and newb friendly decks so I can sit at multiple tables.
Just being outwardly a normie and being nice will get you super far
>>96098168I mixed it up with Elderfang Disciple because I'm seeing red.
If you follow the discussion chain I am the tard.
>>96098192You get less hate because you give stuff back, I think it'd get very unfun fast with shit like conjurers closet
>>96098117Would you just run devoid creatures with her or flip cards like blightsteel for a surprise win?
>>96098201I'd still like to see the deck list as I'm always interested in building decks that try to gain a system
>>96098221I've mostly been putting in big stuff that I can cheat out and flicker them while also adding in tons of continuous cards that manifest dread so I'm not instantly starved out of hand, there's a couple eldrazi but colorless wasn't a focus
Day of the dragons is probably the spiciest thing in the deck
Also hin gitaxias because it's funny
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>>96098192>generate a bunch of mana>take control of everything>red has multiple combat phase cardsFound the wincon
>>96098261I really need to actually build red decks so I have an excuse to run last chance because I fucking think that's the funniest card in the game
>>96098013> unceremoniously kill off the coolest and oldest guild leader with woke afro kween>free the most powerful army on ravnica for an emancipation analogy>thrulls turn from bizarre flesh horror servants to goofy play dough animals>religious symbolism is slowly eroded and replaced with generic opulence>no longer a spooky church that does eternal money lending and holds the power of life and death, now theyre just a central bank that likes stained glass>kill off last significant orzhov character offscreen for a fucking hat set>close up the greatest booba window in the entire gameYeah wotc fucking hates orzhov
>>96097250We're supposed to have a win con? I'm just here to cause problems on purpose
I AM A FUCKING PSYCHOPATH
>>96097250>WinconsMy whole deck is a wincon, pleb
>>96098300I have Last Chance and Final Fortune in almost all of my decks with red and they've indeed made for funny situations
>play Final Fortune because it's me and another dude left, he's at like 2 life and I have a shitload of creatures but no burn cards in hand>full swing>he plays FogSome of my fondest memories are getting absolutely rekt when playing those two cards
>>96098417Based red enjoyer
>>96098417I joined a pod one time where a guy was playing some izzit spellslinger deck and one of the guys in the pod was running this in his deck since he usually has a narset player in the group
The izzit player played last chance then on his next turn got hit with time stop
>how it FEELS when a guy keeps chump blocking and then I hit his ass with a surprise 30 strength trample he has no answer for
>>96096015a bit late but hear me out.
pic related is what are you are looking for. your entire deck consists of lands and 6+ mana 6 power gruul bombs. ramp? comes from your bombs. removal? comes from your bombs. protection? comes from your bombs. draw? bombs.
you abuse the social contract of bracket 2, no interaction everybody plays solitaire to dump the board full of bombs.
the play pattern is durdle till turn 3 and drop Gilanra. on turn 4 you drop alena. on turn 5 you drop your first 6+ power bomb through gilanra. you draw a card. you tap alena. drop the bomb you've just drawn. congrats, you won by dropping two game ending bombs on turn 5. if nobody board wipes on turn 6 its over.
while your opponents are jumping through thousand hoops to get their payoffs you are riding the value train to pound town. decks like $20. go in raw without protection for peak SOVL. make it hurt. dont forget the red rubber band.
>>96098336>oldest guild leaderI think Niv is older and Rakdos is DEFINITELY older. The founding members of the Obzedat were still living when the Guildpact was signed.
>>96098486Doesn't it not work that way? Last chance sets up a delayed trigger "at the beginning of that turn's end step". Time stop doesn't create an end step, it just ends the turn
Acererak the Archlich or Ghoulcaller Gisa for a zombie deck?
I think this card is really slept on. Putting it on a beefy equipment dude with lifelink or a guy with deathtouch and them serving as a dedicated "not on my watch fuck you" button feels great
>>96098486Time Stop skips end step and goes to cleanup.
>>96098551most of the times you wanna go the other way around - run creature that can ping and give it Basilisk Collar
>>96097630Could be worse anon, your commander could BE the 300 dollar RL card.
>>96096642Stations are bad because if you have the power to station them you have the power to win, you can put out all these niche situations where you can dump the power into them but it boils down to win more or huge opportunity costs for a pay off that most likely won't win you the game
Whoa it's a white knight character... and it's a woman... it's also a black afro nigga... bravo wotc your creativity is truly unbound
>>96098603>Stations are bad because if you have the power to station them you have the power to winSummoning sickness exists anon. You tap summoning sick creatures to station them.
>>96098603Ah yes, this is so obvious because vehicles have never seen play before ever.
>>96098635>the vehicles that see play
>>96098628Kutzil exists, not even sure sheโd be good for Kyler either.
I'm going to run the station lands just to counter goad while ignoring every other line of text on it.
>>96098700Where does this see play? Couldn't find anything in mtggoldfish in standard or pioneer
>>96098722Damn that's a great effect
>have been trying to build pic related for 2 weeks
>keep getting stuck on how many sagas to run
>needs protection as well
>and decent lands
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>96098603The spacecraft will play in EDH like they play in limited: a combat based way to break a board stall. It will be sick in some playgroups and borderline in others.
>>96098742Nigga you're in the EDH thread
>>96098749Watching a najeela player drop this means the game is over
>>96098736What is this a check this out for ants
>>96098387this. why would I wanna be a tryhard and win in some clown format that explicitly is known to run shit cards? I'm actively trying to make games last as long as possible to we are playing more magic
Do you think it's OK for a deck to have some clear weaknesses? I know I'm fucked if my lands get destroyed, my hand discarded or if somebody runs really huge cards with effects that apply as soon as they're summoned rather than start of turn or like like because I have no counters to the summoning, only the ability to kill cards after entering battlefieldand with my deal damage cards.
It's equal parts not easy and easy being green
>>96098635Ah yes the very popular and POWERFUL parking lot strat
>>96098763I can see the tutor one seeing play, maybe. in proliferation decks and that's pretty much it
>>96098634if you think giving your opponents half of an Authority of the Consuls is a good idea for eventually a 3/2 or 5/5, have at it
>>96098634>I will never blocksure, take lethal
>>96098551I thonk you play with noobs anon
>>96098603Youre bad at magic and thats okay anon you dont have to be good to enjoy it
>>96096015Become stronger. Build Marisi in a way that you can power through their hate for it. I know it's difficult, but that just means the success is all the juicier.
>>96098603this. it also drops the most powerful thing about vehicles which is that they DON'T stay as creatures to dodge all sorts of creature board wipes
>>96096015not combo decks but very controlly. vren edicts, inniaz stealing flyers, the classic kelsien deathtouch and even deadpool now makes sure work of creature boards
Is Dogmeat one of the best voltron commanders?
>>96099077>guy who doesnt know what hes talking about has opinions Not every spacecraft is a creature anon, and some have very good effects before they become them!
>>96099114Absolutely not, why would you ever think that?
>>96099164I mean a 3cmc value engine that can be flickered and use mantle of the ancients continuously is pretty good
>>96099032If someone is swinging a creature thats big enough to kill me it probably has trample anyway, whatever.
>>96098929No deck can cover on all fronts.
>>96099205Or you could play a good voltron commander with built-in protection and p/t pump
>>96099114No i dont think so
Here's your voltron shell.
I prefer Asura. Nobody thinks she's a thread until it's too late.
>rated the worst Bant commander
Nice.
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>>96099282mono color in a notoriously bad at creature removal but hey it's so good cause it has hexproof and can't be countered
>>96097920OG Korvold is probably the best fit, but I'm not a huge fan of playing a korvold goodstuff pile. Being a contrarian retard is difficult.
>>96099337if you need to remove creatures in a voltron deck you are building it wrong
>>96098751>and decent landsIt's a two color deck the manabase is the cheapest part what the fuck are you doing?
>>96099258>>96099329I agree Uril is probably still #1 in voltron but his reputation is just gonna get you killed before turn 6
lander tokens are fucking bonkers and now every color can land ramp with no issue
>>96099258Him and Rafiq are the GOATs and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>96099337Just fight them or bite them green has lots of options especially when you have the biggest creature on the battlefield
>>96099353having a generous gift or swords for stuff that makes you sac creatures is always nice to have
>>96099374>every colorNot really all the ones we've seen are green besides one mono red, two white and an artifact. But the red one is an opponents choice whether you get it, the white ones are either catch up mechanic or StP/PtE/white gives you a gift when it removes something mechanic
>>96099258It is ridiculous how easily you can stack him with just minimal investment
>>96099362>probably still #1 in voltronForgetting somebody?
>>96099374>pay two mana (plus the cost of whatever mid card its attached to) to fetch a tapped basic>bonkersThink I'll just stick with talismans.
>>96099445>ill stick to mana rocks over a land that won't be interacted withYou are not good at magic.
>>96099446Ah yes the good ol hoop of equipping and enchanting your voltron commander... ah shoot that was hard
>>96099114>Million keywords>free blockers per aura/equipment you cast>synergizes with stax pieces that control combatShe's based as voltron
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I like oldschool battlecruiser commanders and I'm not sorry about it one damn bit.
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>>96099411Sure fuckin is, mate
>>96099493she's pretty similar to xyris pump spells in a way make commander big make a ton of 1/1's
White: You gain X life.
Red: Target opponent loses X life.
Black: Each opponent loses X life and you gain that much life.
If your commander came out after 2015 I immediately think you're cringe
>>96099526Blue: you draw x cards
Green: You create creature with vigilance trample haste X/X power and toughness than when it attacks draw a card and when this creature dies create tapped treasures equal to its power
White getting unconditional straight up sorcery card draw that's not overcosted? What bizarro world are we living in?
>>96099551>GreenMore like you put a +1/+1 counter on up to X target creatures.
We get it; you don't play removal or blockers or fogs and died to Ghalta one too many times.
Designed some cards for MH4. What do you guys think?
>>96099575>okIalwayshaveit
>>96099572Goldvein Hydra is what I'm referencing
>>96099526Red doesnt do loss of life doe
>>96099584YES IN THE YEAR 2025 WE ALWAYS HAVE IT HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS OLD MAN
White: Draw 3 cards, target opponent draw 3 cards
Black: Draw 3 cards, lose 3 life
Blue: Look at the top 5 library, put 2 in hand bottom others
Red: Draw 3, randomly discard 4
Green: Draw 12 put all permanents on the battlefield
>>96099567White has absolutely no shortage of cantrips you fucking newfag
>>96099567>card drawIt's a cantrip newfag
>>96099610>Green: Draw 12 put all permanents on the battlefield
>>96099567Goes straight in my Brigone deck that will never ever win a game
>>96099567the condition is that there is a creature on cast and resolution or it fizzles
>>96099610Green: Search your library for a basic land.
Black: Put all permanents from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control. Each opponent sacrifices a permanent or discards a card unless they pay 3 life. Repeat this process 12 times.
Look I can do it too
>>96099623>cantrips aren't draw
>>96099610green: reveal 12 cards put all permanents on the battlefield
>>96099579>Mussolini is not himself an outlaw
>>96099043Not an argument faggo try again
This in monocolor, yay or nay?
>>96099610White: Whenever an opponent takes a turn, draw 3 cards and skip their turn.
Black: Put all permanents from all graveyards onto the battlefield then draw a card for each permanent put there this way.
Blue: Draw your whole fucking deck then if it's empty you win the game.
Red: Exile your library then you may cast it for free.
Green: Draw 40 cards put all permanents onto the battlefield.
>>96099691That's the only place where it's good
Colorless: Skip your next two turns. Until your next turn, you control your opponents on each of their turns.
>>96099691I dunno man, that doesn't sound like it's in the spirit of what it was designed for, does it?
>>96099133It's essentially adventure but worse
>>96099691Run it in five color or no balls.
>>96099691>running bad cards in bad decksSounds like an /edhg/ tard
>>96099538Golgari is the most cringy two color combination. Prove me wrong.
>>96099758I can't. You're right.
>>96099538>If your commander came out after 2015lmao that's well beyond the year when wotc first released official commander product
your purity test is cringe
>>96099646>brigone winning
>>96098722What is the purpose of the word "each" in this ability. Does it modify anything at all?
>>96099758You forgot about s*mic
>>96096182Genuinely happy for you