Hrunspuul -Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96083799

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>Thread Question
What faction do you like the models for but not the fluff, or vice versa ?

>>96095697 (OP)
>TQ
I like Ironjawz as they are the only Orruk faction of the game... The models and their combination with Krulefags? Puaj

>>96095739
fix gruntas with the stl and proxy krule units with equivalent ardboys

>>96095753
those heads look great where may one aquire them?
Also how feasible would it be to attach them to already painted pigs? I have 6 of them from the start of my hobby time.

>tq
>vice versa
I really like the story behind the flesh eater courts but the models don't really do it for me. It's not even that they're a bad execution of a cool concept or anything, they look like what you would expect the courts to look like. It's just that it painting and owning a whole bunch of ghouls doesn't appeal to me as much as I thought it would be based on the fluff. That being said I'm not against all units, the archregent and the new varghulf look amazing. Ushoran is great too, that's a given.
Conversely gravelords look great to me but their fluff is kinda eh ? Normally I use the existing lore as a jumping-off point for /mydudes/ but for soulblight nothing really comes to me.

>>96095764
you'd have to detach the original head
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/ron-jawas-armored-boar-heads

are there any guides that have been posted for converting the Kruleshotz RoR? I don’t want to start buying boxes without some kind of plan in mind

If people think next edition's big bad is guaranteed to be death, what army is it going to be? It's not nighthaunt, soulblight, or FEC imo. New army?

>>96095697 (OP)
Kharadron models aren't my cup of tea, but capitalistic sky dwarves is some pretty great fluff imo.

>>96095837
Why would you need to convert them?

Khorne having a terrain piece is retarded

Khorne's temple is the battlefield itself

If they must have a terran piece, it should be like a bigger version of the war altar with a pair of champions duelling it out on top

>>96095890
You're retarded and flanderised

>>96095882
Cause I want the armored beefy orcs

>>96095897
Go worship slaanesh or something if you want ornamentation

>>96095890
Sometimes you just want to do your bloodletting where everyone can see it you know

>>96095890
Khorne is like the only chaos god renown for furniture

>>96095869
If it's death and it's not a new army, only real prospect is OBR. Which is a good argument for it not being death.

>>96095908
Blow it out your ass.

>>96095869
Zombies and frankenstein necromancers.

>>96095837
There's an old TGA thread about converting ironjawz themed artillery, you might be able to find some inspo there.
In general I think ogre crossbow bits might be a good direction, the bloodpelt hunter, hrothgorn and a couple others have some. They work reasonably well on ironjawz bodies.
>>96095869
>>96095924
Death is tricky because obr are the only real option, unless they come out with a whole new army which is pretty unlikely.
And obr makes for a weird launch box, they're kind of niche and all their basic archetypes are already present, they'd have to include some really weird shit.
there's also a (barely) non-zero chance that we get aosified vampire coast

>>96095923
We're talking about terrain not furniture nigga
Tzeentch has his silver towers
Slaanesh has a palace
Nurgle has a mansion
Khorne literally just has a throne, and is outdoors insofar as his realm is concerned - if anything he clearly still has the least association with formal worship

>>96095990
>this nigga doesn't know about the brass citadel and the fortresses guarding his confines

>>96095697 (OP)
The Fyreslayer fluff is simple awesome. Both the dragon and dragon slayer in one. Divine fury tempered with immortal greed and savagery. The idea that despite being dwarves, sometimes they'll just break their oaths because they're not unfaithful enough to be hypocrites. It's a refreshing take with an awful model line of pantsless morons.

>>96095938
He's right
Khorne is based on Crom from Conan. His whole 'not caring from whence the blood flows thing' follows from Crom's aloof attitude towards mortals. He's not meant to be a god worshipped through means other than action

>>96096005
Khorne is still outdoors, he's not stuck inside or anything. He watches over his whole realm from the throne. The point is the same.

I think if they really wanted to give him a terrain piece it should just be a pyramid of skulls - a much more fitting tribute and source of inspiration

>>96095965
Appreciate it. I’ll check it out

Do battletomes come with new path to glory rules

>>96096099
Yes.

>>96096025
>he's not stuck inside or anything
he is inside the fucking brass citadel, you mongoloid

>>96096007
I agree, their models being so shit has made them a bit overlooked in terms of background. The warcry warband was nice at least.

>>96095902

>>96095890
I think is the only Chaos God that actually deserved such terrain piece. Khorne despise Magic so their followers need another way to compete, and that's through divine approach.

>>96095697 (OP)
I too would like to know whatthefuckisthat

>>96096274
"genealogic" tree.
Dog god that cursed Baladama, who spread the curse to Rdukar, who spread the curse to other vyrkos vampires

>>96095837
one box of ardboys
one old world doom diver
one box of mantic shooters

throw away the goblins in the doom diver and convert 2 ardboys for its crew: one carrying a projectile (a simple rock), and one loading the mechanism instead of the goblins

use 6 of the remaining ardboys to convert ranged units by using the resin arms with crossbows sprue of the mantic box, then send back the box to mantic with the claim they gave you a box of warriors/boomers instead of the same box with the additional resin sprue

use the 2 leftover ardboys to convert an ardboy big boss and something else

>>96096274
>>96096333
it's basically the vampric family tree of the vyrkos dynasty yeah. One of my favourite little pieces of art.

How is Khorne feeling about the rules?
Kinda a radical departure ngl

>>96095938
I'll take this as inspiration to get more khorne tattoos

>>96096423
This is exactly what I needed, thank you. Have a pic of everything painted thus far (not including the swamp or feet manifestations)

>>96096676
>How is Khorne feeling about the rules?
He's can't read

>>96096676
It comes down to the warscrolls.

>>96096707
Oh you're the guy with the cool rogue idol. What do you run that thing as actually ?

>>96096676
the bloodthithe is a step in the right direction. lets see if the warscrolls can keep up the improvements from the index.

>>96096870
It’s on a 130mm base so I can run it as kragnos. Unfortunately the only place I’m likely to get games is a GW store so until I make new friends to play sigmar with it’ll just be a neat centerpiece. The armored squig there is just for funsies

>>96095923
Given how fighty Orruks are, shouldn't Khorne have some tusks or a hint of green here and there?

>>96097242
He is sometimes mentioned to have orc/ork-ish features, at least in 40k

>>96097242
Greenskins don't seam to be directly connected to the warp, instead doing their own manifestations.
Probably because they're extra artificial compared to most other races

>>96096717
>he's can't read
He's just like me fr

HASHUT HASHUT HASHUT

Here's your chuardins, chat.

>>96097568
you know its funny, titanforged released steampunk/clockwork chorfs like 4 years ago. i wonder how close the GW ones are gonna end up being to that

>>96097568
Daemon Anus cannon WHEN????

>>96097594
everyone and their mothers made their own chaos dwarfs in all possible ways already

>they added black library
so, which brave female character is getting a model this time?

>>96095697 (OP)
>TQ Vice Versa
Both Dwarf Factions
>Fyreslayers
Fire cultist mercenaries trying to resurrect their progenitor/empower themselves using their dead god's remains alongside the children of the rival god who slayed said god? Very cool. But like everyone else while there's nothing wrong with their base designs they often look way too samey and lack much variety.
>Kharadron Overlords
Mercantile guilds of high tech sky pirates who compliment the Fyreslayers as the other half of Fantasy's Dwarf themes? Also very cool. But god damn do I hate steampunk it takes me completly out of it.

I really hope they both get strong second waves that expand their factions aesthetically Fyreslayers especially. If not, here's hoping the Chaos Dwarf update is strong. They're my favorite race in fantasy and I'd love it if the AoS Dwarfs could rival their ancestors.

>>96097741
kharadrons entire society is based in floating steampunk cloud cities. if you are holding out for them to get something not steampunk, i think you'll be shit out of luck, thats their entire thing.

fyreslayers i could see getting a bit of aesthetic divergence, we already have one guy who wears salamander hides and bone weapons instead of having a mohawk and metal, but i do think whatever they get it will feature a half naked dwarf in some way or another.

>>96097670
> Underworlds
> 'after the flop of our last new underworlds team we are retiring the game'

>>96095869
There's enough armies in the game, stop it.

>>96095924
A reasonably popular easy to paint army is not a good choice?

>>96095965
Not really sure why obr are more niche than khorne, NH or kruleboyz. Pretty sure there's more owners of them outside nighthaunt, or at least close to the same

Also range complete is a real wired statement. GW doesn't add models to an army because they're missing something. See stormcast and gitz.

They're also missing a staple ranged infantry unit, heavy cav, elite infantry, monster hero, probably 5 more archetypes.

At the very least a lack of archers or ranged is real weird, it's an army based on military supremacy, there's already mortek archers, and gameplay wise we have a fairly powerful trebuchet, as well as tomb kings having similar tools with archers...

>>96097670
Ideally we'd get Hamilcar, Maesa, or Heldanarr, but we won't get any of those dudes.

>>96097670
c'mon GW
alternatively a new Ogor hero for a debut series
realistically a new Gotrek model for his next book, probably costing £100 because other characters are thrown in

>Black Library announcment
>we're remaking Drekki into another band of 3-5 models
>week after announcing a box with his old modle

>>96097568
Unironically i would be fine with anus canon but i think Chuardin deserves better warmachines.

>>96097568
>dorfs with spear
Feels ontologically wrong, at least give them poleaxes or something
>>96097741
I don't really mind the steampunk but I jusy don't really like painting bare metal lol

>>96098096
Honestly wouldn't mind that since it would mean we get to see an ogre in kharadron gear

>>96098181
>he gets like 4 baloon jetpacks to be able to lift of the ground

KO vs Chorfs
Who would win a technological battle?

>>96098317
KO, easily

>>96098317
That's a bit of a difficult question to answer before we actually see what chuardin tech is like

>>96098326
Compare Hobgrot granades to KO missiles

>>96098317
No fucking contest. they better made the Chorf powerful in daemonsmithing Kharadron are border 40k tech.

>>96098334
Fair (although the bangstikks are mentioned to be the lowest quality garbage that they sell to hobgrots just to get rid of them)
Also worth nothing that the Horns of Hashut's flamehurler is visibly low tech for a flamethrower
I'm predicting that they'll be less techy than KO and have more of an magic/daemon-supplemented artifice thing going on

>>96098317
Who commits more warcrimes?

>>96098317
the only reason KO dont steamroll the entire setting is because they are more interested in just making money and trading with everyone

>>96098463
and because aether gold is a scarcer resource than they would ever like to admit

>>96098463
There's also the fact that there isn't that many of them

>>96098317
We haven't seen the tech level of the Chorfs.
However, they seem to have some deep sea drilling platforms in shyish. If the have the technology to fuck around on the ocean floor (tech, not just magic) they have roughly similar technological levels, because dealing with ocean pressure and shit down there is generally harder than just making a ship (no evidence the KO can go to space either)

>>96098457
What the fuck is a warcrime? You mean a "unique investment strategy"?

>>96098463
Having flying ships and guns isn't as big of an advantage as it would seem against a million flying ghost. KO just out there trying not to run their city into a random swarm of 10000 rot flys.

>>96098463
Lmao imagine thinking this shit when Archaon manipulates the whole daemonic power of Chaos, Literal Gods spam their offspring into the battlefield or Zen pointy ears command the wind of Magic. "We have shits and guns, bozo!!" seems like fucking nothing.

>>96098463
Other way around anon, tech is the only reason the rest of the setting hasn't wiped them off the map yet.

I had almost 4k points of Dwarfs in WHFB 8th ed. I bought into Chaos Dwarfs in 2013/2014 through some Forgeworld stuff and Kickstarters.
As the end times happened me and my old gaming group graduated, and moved across the country. I spent an ungodly amount of time in forums like chaos dwarfs online.
In AoS I've had a small KO army since 2nd ed, but they don't really do it for me. Most of my games are online too.

I have waited so long for more Chorfs. And now that they're about to arrive I am terrified that I won't like their aesthetic.
I just hope they won't fuck this up. Their AoS-ification terrifies me.
At this point this could be the event that starts to sour my enthusiasm for Warhammer as a whole. Or renews it.

>>96098914
You're not fooling anyone with this thinly veiled convern trolling

>>96098914
Blood Bowl chorfs should give you hope

>>96098914
I don't think they could possibly satisfy all expectations people have on chorfs: too many aesthetics, too many units, too many memes and too many third party options.
The only two potential reactions to the launch are shitstorms over minutiae, or lukewarm acceptance of the compromises.

If you want chorf-chorf, printing is the way, always has been singe the option opened.

>>96098914
>Most of my games are online
post them faggot

>>96098914
You never owned any dwarfs in the past and you will not own any chorfs in the future, you shitstirring faggot

>>96098996
Those are sculpted by a completely separate department who's not informed, nor has to conform, on design cues of the mainline ranges.

>Skaventide box
>Warpspark spearhead

>60x Clanrats
>Clawlord on Gnawbeast
>2x Grey Seers
>1x Warp Lightning Cannon
>3x Stormfiends
>Warplock Engineer
>3x Rat Ogres
>3x Warplock Jezzails
>1x Ratling Warpblaster

What should I get to fill out the rest of the army?

>>96098996
It's not that I don't think GW can make good new sculpts in their old style. Things like the new Orks in 40k prove they can without a shadow of a doubt.
It's that with AoS you could either go the GSG route, or you could go the Lumineth/Fyreslayer route. (I quite like Vanari, but that is besides the point.)
With CoS, Lumineth, Fyreslayers, OBR, and KO it feels like they've kept hitting one swing and missing the other. Votann is the same for 40k.
I'll tolerate unisex units or whatever as long as the heads are optional, but I really need them to hit their overall aesthetic.
>>96098999
>I don't think they could possibly satisfy all expectations people have on chorfs: too many aesthetics, too many units, too many memes and too many third party options.
This is a very fair point.
Case in point is me, I desperately want this to be my "main warhammer army", so I have a over a decade of expectations riding on this.
>If you want chorf-chorf, printing is the way
This is too logical of an opinion. I just want the plastic crack to hit right.
>>96098963
>>96099125
From what little time I spend on here nowadays I understand this general is very much under siege by perpetually online haters.
I guess I could have worded my post differently, but I just wanted and outlet for the 'tism I'm feeling in regards to the Chorf release.

>>96099262
Which new orks? Are you talking about the primitive orks in 40k? Those don’t look stylistically like the old orks at all. I have yet to see a single kit that shows GW can still make stuff in the older style.

>>96099253
Terrain and spells. Honestly for my army I just went all in on the ogre army of renown

Grabbed these two from my FLGS recently. I’m going to use them for Old World but I was wondering if any ogre players here had colour schemes for the older 6th edition blue/green ogre skin. I kind of prefer that to the Caucasian skin tones of the modern ogres.

I don't know why people is so afraid of Chorfs... I mean i'm convinced GW will deliver a high quality work, just like Skavens and last Kharadron sculpts.

>>96099253
Doomflayers, Lord Skreech, Thanquol, Verminlord Deceiver, 3 more ogres, and brood terrors are all solid options to pick up. Vizzik Skour is really cool too

>>96099262
>I just want the plastic crack to hit right.
Understandable, I have a similar disposition for my slann, I can only wish you good luck for friday then.

>>96099311
The last KO sculpts were very very uninspired. Seemed like an asset flip. While technically very good the new Skaven lack any of the silliness/goofiness of the original Skaven. Which while they look good, they unironically lack soul.

>>96099292
I have a lot of luck with using speedpaints for skins ironically enough. Get one of the lighter blues or greens, and then mix in a tiny bit crusader skin. You might need to thin it down a bit with speedpaint medium to lighten it up, but that mix works well for light greens or blues that still look like more-human skin. I used malignant green mixed with crusader skin for nurgle stuff and it turned out pretty good.

>>96099311
Wait, are chaos dwarfs confirmed?

>>96099268
I was kinda thinking of the kommandos, but my point is more that their sculpts are unmistakably "ork-y".
They're finally bringing to life a lot of the flavor you'll see in warhammer art into the actual modern miniatures, regardless of us discussing orks or not.

>>96099379
Screenshotted. Thanks anon.

>>96099379
>Wait, are chaos dwarfs confirmed?
Since like, last year or so? yeah

>>96099385
Ok yeah looking at them I see what you mean. They look quite good compared to the questionable aesthetic and tone and theme of the beastsnaggas

After the pestering and looking into it, I'll join in playing AoS with my friends. The Daughters of Khaine Krethusa model is really cool to me, I can get the Dawnbringers box for what I think is quite cheap considering, although I was told the witch elves are very old and may get changed. Is that something I should consider or just fuck that off and buy the box because Krethusa is cool

>>96099363
>I have a similar disposition for my slann
You must be very happy with the AoS releases then, no?
Thank you anon.
>>96099379
>Wait, are chaos dwarfs confirmed?
Have you lived under a rock since 3rd ed released? Or at least since last year?
You'll see them on Friday. 12 kits apparently.

>>96099403
I just got a bunch of old world hobgoblin, 3d printed, and official gitmob stuff to play because I liked the aesthetic and figured we would never get chaos dwarfs again. I did not know it was getting a release. I hope my old world stuff has some cross over so I can use some of my old chorf models.

>>96099399
Anytime. I also recommend using a grey coat for bluer skins and a light eggshell coat of primer for more green skins. A cyan primer undercoat is also nice if you really want to make them look frozen or in a colder environment.

>>96099425
Pro tip. Wear a pride flag shirt or at the very least a pin the first time you go play. It’s an AoS cheat code for making new battle buddies!

Why are people saying chaos dwarves are a thing? It’s hellsmiths of hashut that are being revealed

>>96099427
>You'll see them on Friday. 12 kits apparently.
If they'd dumb they might reveal just the launch box rather than the whole faction.

>>96099436
Oh that won't be an issue, I've got that ready

>>96099425
I'd be wary of the witch elves in the long run, but I reckon they won't leave for a quite a while still.
As long as you like some of the newer units and you know you want to expand in that direction later, go for it.
>>96099447
Ah, I don't actually think we'll see much more than just the launch box with some extras.
They usually drag the releases out.
>>96099440
hurr durr

>>96099436
Would unironically attract the 40K audience more than anything at this point.

>>96099425
Witch Elves have been around forever and COULD potentially be squatted, but I wouldn't expect it and if they were, they'll be replaced with just newer sculpts or something.

Run your Witch Elves. They're the coolest fuckin guys actually. Just remember theres only 5 sculpts - so you'll always have 2 sculpts per unit of 10 unless you drop the second musician/standard bearer in your unit which still only gives you 7 unique sculpts. So, I'd vary how you make your models.

>>96099436
Just because it works like magic for TOW pick-up games doesn't mean it's fully transferable, anon.

>>96099292
That box is so much better than the new one but it's gone from all stores near my area JUST as I wanted to get into ogres fml
Anyway, it's not 1 to 1 but you could maybe use flesh eater courts tutorials gor that sort of pale/pallid/greenish skintone ? Other than that maybe try tutorials for the warcry gorgers, although that may be a little too pale for what you're after.

The Everqueen owes me sex.

>>96099965
Ok, bend over.

>>96099972
I'd put my legs behind my head for alarielle

Why would anyone fuck a psycho like Alarielle? She would use all humanity as fertilizer if she could

>>96100041
Would that count as vore

I have made an amazing discovery. I was working on a Freeguild Cavalier, and this guy had a little messenger raven type bird on his saddle. I'm doing a quick Contrast job on it and I notice there's this weird bump under the head. It's not something you'd see on a bird, so I'm like, is this part of the hood? Part of a collar? But then I realize, it's the lower jaw. This fucking thing isn't a bird. It has a human mouth and a beak for a nose.

>>96095697 (OP)
>TQ
The entire Saurus range is so fantastic but Sauruses don't have enough personality as individuals for me

>>96099262
>Case in point is me, I desperately want this to be my "main warhammer army", so I have a over a decade of expectations riding on this.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
It feels like it's come down to a coin flip between:
>Chorfs look like the classics because GW's on a nostalgia binge.
>Chorfs are reinvented because Old World called dibs on the old designs.
I just want to know which way it will go one way or the other, so of course this is the one release GW has apparently made leak-proof.

>>96100100
Yes, Freeguild are full of little gremlins

How does cover work in spearhead in terms of something behind or not?

Ex: I have a hero partially behind a small terrain feature. My opponent shoots them with a squad of 5 of models, 3 of whom can see the hero without crossing over the terrain feature. Does the whole squad get normal shots, -1 to hit shots, or do I do 3 normal shots and 2 -1 to hit shots?

>>96100100
He's not wearing a bird mask or something? Is it supposed to be one of those gargoylian thingies?
>>96100111
Seraphon have good /yourdudes/ potential but I agree that most of the personality lies in the skinks and slann.
>>96100173
Seraphon, StD and most recently skaven have been pretty straightforward updates on the classic designs, but the recent gitmob and soulblight have gone their own way a bit more, though still not nearly as much as say lumineth (or fyreslayers for an even more example).
Personally I think they'll be pretty classic, with a bit of the horns od hashut chains and shit aesthetic mixed in here and there. We have mentions of ziggurats in white dwarf so they'll certainly keep at least part of that babylonian feel.

Oh also leakers are saying they're going to blow up tempest's eye lol

>>96100173
>Chorfs are reinvented because Old World called dibs on the old designs.
This option could turn out amazing, but it is the one that scares me the most. And a lot of that fear comes from the horns of Hashut and that one AoS chorf icon sharing the same design (that looks like shit) with the multiple eyes and chains, etc.
If I got small-horned Dwarfs with big black beards in scalemail wearing tall turbans that all sounds awesome to me. There's plenty of acceptable ways they could reimagine them.
But they have a history of swinging and missing when they do this now.
>this is the one release GW has apparently made leak-proof
I am shocked we got the army leaked a year ago, we know the number of kits and some of the units now, but SOMEHOW no one has any whispers of how they look!

>>96100272
I would do 2 -1 to hit, personally and keep it consistent the whole game, but the rules for AOS seem to imply that the unit has to be wholly behind cover to benefit from Cover.

>Cover: Subtract 1 from hit rolls for attacks that target a unit that is behind or wholly on this terrain feature, unless that unit charged or has the Fly keyword
From the Spearhead Reference page, box labelled "Terrain" (that nobody remembers exists or uses (including me))

>>96100272
>>96100445
Wait, sorry, I don't fucking know but I stand by my initial judgement but I also don't know

>When a unit is targeted by an attack, the unit is considered to be behind a terrain feature if it is impossible to draw a straight line from a model in the attacking unit to a model in the target unit without that line passing across that terrain feature.

Does this mean ONE model gets the debuff? all models? if I have one guy who is blocked by a wall, does the entire unit get -1? I don't fuckin know man these rules are sorta written like shit sometimes

>>96099972
She's not the elven pegging goddess

>>96100030
Requesting art of Alarielle and Morathi double domming

>>96099253
A Bell. Two paths to go, master moulder, rat ogres, brood terror, or go with death master, verminlord, ratling guns, and doomflayers.

>>96100525
Morathi's a mean dom who's direct in her cruelty in regards to spittin' on you and calling you names but Alarielle is sweet and pleasant in vocalisation while making you do increasingly depraved and humiliating acts that Morathi herself finds somewhat astounding because her cruelty is painful and sore but honest, while Alarielle's is violating and degrading

I love Age of Sigmar but I would never ever write smut on a blue board

>>96100584
Please continue.

>>96100445
>>96100481
Yeah, the wording is weird. As I read it, it seems like it's all or nothing? If one model in the attacking unit can see unobstructed, the whole unit functionally does?

Is the webstore kind of fucked for anyone else ? Has trouble loafing images.

>>96100584

Post in /aco/ Warhammer thread
>>8891317

Biblically accurate angels when gw? You nearly teased me with formula

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>>96101631
Tornus, not formula.

>>96099898
Yeah gorgers are too pale. I want a blueish/greenish tinge. Like the 6th edition art. I was kind of shocked at how massive/thick the spearhead was. Much much larger than any other spearhead or combat patrol I’ve seen. Thing is packed with sprues. The new one is far smaller and kinda shit value but it’s a good Old World box because Ironguts are quite good.

>>96101684
What the fuck is in that cup, why is it green

>>96101883
I was painting death guard

Some news about Hashut in AoS
In the new issue of White Dwarf #514 in the section dedicated to Chaos, we were given at least three new facts about Hashut AoS:

1) Duardin servants of Hashut call themselves "Helsmiths". Perhaps this will be the new name of the army.

2) Hashut is an ascended deity. This means that he was once mortal. As we know, all the ancestor gods of the Duardin pantheon were once mortal, so maybe Hashut is one of them.

3) Hashut will probably play the role of Vashtor from 40k, that is, the "weapons dealer" for the ruinous forces.

Also, GW in the announcements hints at the release of the Hashutians on July 18th.

>>96101962
>Helsmiths
AoS writers need to stop raping the Aenglish language.

>>96101962
>3
I don’t really care for this unless this means we start seeing kits with chaos dwarf equipment
>but chaos armor
Ahhhhh fuck off you know what I mean. Maybe something that lets them control their mutations, sounds like something abraxia would want.

>>96101631
Crypt Flyiers

>>96102056
You’re actually onto something.

>>96101962
>2) Hashut is an ascended deity. This means that he was once mortal. As we know, all the ancestor gods of the Duardin pantheon were once mortal, so maybe Hashut is one of them.
Interesting

>>96101984
hel smiths are both two correctly spelled words fyukwitt.

i cant fucking wait bros

>>96101984
maybe the ænglesh længuage should stop being a whore

>>96101984
Old Norse Hel was were the English got it. You are raping English

>>96102536
three more days for... probably nothing

>>96102701
Imagine the rage if it's just a chorf underworlds warband.

>>96102867
I'd laugh

>>96102867
I'm hoping for a slave train board game
>choo-choo

>>96102939
Hashuts and Ladders

Some new deepkin downloads up on WarCom

>>96103048
Funny that they just made the Beatsmasters Battle Formation cost points now rather than make anybody the other options better. Everyone is still going to play that formation and just eat the point tax.

>>96095697 (OP)
I love the fluff for the Delf leftovers but the miniatures do nothing for me. The Black Dragon heroes look like fischer price toys with their awkward heroic scale, Corsairs look so goofy in their built for rank and file dynamic squat gestures, etc
It's such a shame. I love the idea of brainwashed soldiers, vengeful chaos hating dinosaur knights, and pirates but the whole range is a flop

>>96102991
Denial:
>I can't believe its not Chaos Dwarves
Anger:
>WHAT!?! NOT CHAOS DWARVES!?
Bargaining:
>Could it be Chaos Dwarves?
Depression:
>Its not Chaos Dwarves...
Acceptance:
>Umbraneth

>>96103092
What's the point of pointed enhancements, formations, etc if they're all written to be balanced? C'mon

>>96103173
The knife ears would never let us live that down.

>>96103177
It's all just cope
>oops, we accidentally wrote a single option that doesn't blow total ass and now everyone uses it
>I mean, all part of the plan hehehe it's balanced now because we made it cost a tiny amount of points

>>96103173
literally everyone but some 400 lbs basement dwelling losers I can count on one hand would be ecstatic over this outcome.

>>96101962
Apparently, we'll get our first look at the Chaos Dwarves on July 18th, so we can expect two things.
1. That they'll be a copy and paste of their fantasy counterparts, like the Seraphones or the Skaven.
2. That they'll be something completely new, like their steampunk cousins.

>>96103280
it would be pretty funny if shadow elves came up utterly unannounced, the reveal show didn't even acknowledge that they just played the reveal trailer, and the warcom article is just mute images

but aside from that, people want the chaos dwarfs too

>>96103173
>>96103280
>>96103324
Total Ulgu victory
Trust the plan

>>96102701
Will be cool to see the designs but it won't change my opinion of the game. The thought that we still have 2 more years of bland rules has bled over to the hobby side for me and has killed my motivation to paint.

>>96103289
Judging by how AoS is rolling, I expect something new. Member when they teased LRL as Aelves with big pointy hats like High Elves used to have?

>potential reveal hype
>troll tier
>Stormcast
>S+
>sisters of sigmar
>A+
>DoK expansion
>B
>Malekith
>C-
>Tyrion
>D
>Chaos Chuds
>F- - -
>fimir
>I sleep tier
>bonereapers

>>96103414
You couldn't be gayer if you were a frenchman carrying a dildo like it was a baguette.

they aren't making chaos dwarfs
there is no epstein list
just move on already schizos

Imagine thinking we are not getting awesome Chorf reveal. Truly schizophrenic behaviour

Lawful good: Chorfs and new Stormcast minis reveal
Neutral good: Chorfs and Cogfort reveal
Chaotic good: Umbraneth reveal
Lawful neutral: Chorfs only reveal
True Neutral: a shitty article on Warhammer Community about Chorfs
Chaotic neutral: postponed reveal by 1 day
Lawful evil: announcment of a future announcment of Chorfs (enjoy a concept art jay-peg)
Neutral evil: Kragnos faction reveal
Chaotic evil: Chorfs for Old World reveal

Definitely chorfs, at least the box reveal plus a center piece.

Anniversary model, likely stormcast. Would be cool if it were vandus on a new style dracoth, or Khul ascended.

UW is chorf warband.

Think it's too early for a roadmap, especially since delays. maybe we'll see NH or fec foot model.

>>96103414
Amazing how if you invert this you get close to what I want. Dok get so much bullshit in proportion to player base size it's unreal.

>>96103818
>Amazing how if you invert this you get close to what I want.
yes the list is spot on and 100% correct.

I just hope that chuardin have troops with guns

I'm crazy if i expect Bulltaurs into Chorfs release?

>>96095697 (OP)

Soon

Finally some news on this.

>Champions of Chaos lets you see the Mortal Realms through the eyes of those who reject the status quo, who question the gods and dare to forge their own destiny. Their war is one of ideas, gods, and rebellion. A declaration that the forces of Order’s dream of control is a lie. This game is your gateway to playing the heretic, the revolutionary, the misunderstood monster.

>Warhammer Age of Sigmar Soulbound: Champions of Chaos is our upcoming new roleplaying game set within the Mortal Realms. Preorders for the core rulebook will open this year, in a few months’ time.

>>96104124
probably not

>>96104213
>Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Roleplay: Soulbound: Champions of Chaos
Could we get one more subtitle in there?

>>96104213
>delayed for so long it's now got a brave brown woman front and center on the cover
grim

I wonder if they'll show off much else besides the chorfs at all ready, a nighthaunt pity maybe and a roadmap is what i'm guessing. Then again, gitmob and gravelords got shown off together didn't they ?
>>96104124
yeah they're pretty integral to the faction identity at this point. Would be very surprised if we don't get them

>>96104233
She kinda cute tbo

>>96104213
Wow that helmeted chap on the left looks cool I can't wait to go buy the kit he's from

>>96104231
>Warhammer:
>Age of Sigmar:
>Roleplay:
>Soulbound:
>Champions of Chaos:
>The Lost & The Damned:
>Call of Archaon:
>Guide to the Eightpoints:
>Varanspire:
>Warbands of the Bloodwind Spoils

New WC article : https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/r0ecok1a/the-vongrim-guild-are-kharadron-adventurists-with-even-less-moral-compunction/

>>96104337
>(game of the year edition)

>>96100690
That's the old rule and yes it was all or nothing. The new rule is: "if it is impossible to draw a straight line from the closest point on the attacking model's base to a model in the target unit that is in range without that line passing over that terrain feature, the target unit is considered to be behind a terrain feature for the attack made BY THAT ATTACKING MODEL." This is in "Terrain" in the updated rules.

So it is model by model now.

>>96104124
he likes to take big SHARTS uh??

>>96104574
>And Knuckles

>>96104124
Someone pointed out that the rumour engine pic of a spearhead is actually closer in design to this guy's punch dagger than the Alpharius spear everyone immediately jumped to
Pretty interesting

>>96104633
Wasn't the Alpharius spear already revealed to be a Kharadron weapon?

>>96104650
You're thinking of the trident RE
I meant this one

>>96104633
>>96104682
Eh the little bands and rivets make it clear to me that it's part of a high techy spear shaft, and not like the more brutal industrial chorf arm-blade thing. I see where the op was coming from but it's not likely.

Would be a hilarious fakeout though.

>>96104494
seems okay. we'll have to see the points, kharadron shit is always wildly overcosted to make up for their movement rules breaking the game, and it looks like these guys get more game breaking movement rules, so my guess is 200pts per 5 models.

What're the chances FEC share the zombie dragon kit when the battletome comes around? I wish I could run more than one, even if it was just a new RoR.

>>96105045
zero

>>96105045
Why would they split the kit if they wanted them to share it?

>>96105065
Because they don't squat things outside of updates? Why does CoS still have TOW models?

all signs of the leftover factions will be eradicated

>>96105076
>they don't squat things outside of updates?
Yes, they do.

>>96105079
are they really just going to try to annihilate all the 2nd edition coalition cities in the lore? just wipe them off the map?

God i hope so.
CoS for humans only.

>>96105133
>anvilgard: fallen
>phoenicium: fallen
>greywater: besieged
>tempest eye: besieged
>hallowheart:
>living city:

>>96099292
i think this one looks pretty good
also, don't forget to snip off the stormie helmet from the tyrant

>>96105235
Greywater is more of a poster child than Hammerhal Ghyra.
Half the CoS art is of them

>>96105278
because they stopped having cadians after the destruction of cadia, right?

especially with greywater being the techy city and the next release being focused on the cogforts

>>96104213
I miss the old warlock engineer

>>96105241
I’m not in love with that one. But that may be just because I don’t like that sculpt. I can’t really tell. It’s got that weird softness that a lot of modern cadsculpts have that makes it feel off.

>>96101653
this is very cute desu.

>>96101653
Pretty interesting seeing aos (and warhammer as a whole) through the eyes of someone less familiar with western fantasy. Seems like it translates pretty well. Cute read.
>>96105369
The head ruins the model, instantly so much better when the head is converted a little. As for the paintjob, the highlighting is very agressive which makes it look quite weird and almost playdoh-y. I would avoid that.

>>96103414
>>Malekith
It's Malerion and you know it. Don't you deadname him.

>>96105091
Name one. I gave examples

>>96105369

>>96105133
1st edition*
The Cities were the start of world building for AoS with the seasons of war event and Firestorm thereafter.
Yes, they are because they don't give a fuck and cities aren't even reflected in the rules anymore.

>>96104213
Was hoping for some archetype artwork. C7 does a really good job with those

>>96099292
>>96105241
>>96105655

see if you can track down a pot of the old P3 "thrall flesh" paint. it is exactly this color

>>96102867
Would be better than the khorne one we just got. And it would mean AoS support for them in the future.
>>96103173
This.

>>96105241
I am using that scheme for my ogres. It looks great and is pretty quick to paint

>>96105687
I remember one of the early CoS battletomes being insanely fun, either 1e or 2e. Turned probably the most discordant faction in gw's history into a really fun and flavourful army with tons of ally options too.

>>96105133
They want all memory of 1.0, when the community had control, gone.
There is ONLY GW slop

>>96103263
> 4.0 is still shit
> Full story at 11

>>96105644
Chaos war altar.
Your move.
>inb4 it's because it went to TOW
No, it didn't

>>96105644
Soul Grinder
Warcry stuff

>>96104583
Perfect, thanks. I see that rule in the app now
Weirdly, I don't see that in the latest version of the core rules or in the rules updates? Looks like they still have the old one. I wonder why

>>96097633
Doo dee doo dee, super fighting Balrog...

>>96101653
They also make nice fan-art. Hope they keep getting more attention. The comics are a fun and cute.

>>96105235
>anvilgard
No such city.

>>96106252
Not in the battletome? It's legends. The chariots are though.
Anyway my point was they aren't going to change a faction pack until the release so it's possible the zombie dragon FEC currently have may be replaced by the new revenant draconith.

>>96097670
Solomon Akurra of Warhammer 40,000 fame.

>>96106914
Your point is bullshit, GW won't give you the new revenant draconith, fec will lose the zombie dragon.

>>96107272
Why wouldn't they just make a nice new zombie dragon and sell it for $200 too?

>>96105179
no, thats lame and theres bazilion other settings for that, like tow

>>96107653
They did, you can buy it and use it, with the regiment of renown.

>>96105179
bro your warhulk?

>>96107272
We'll see in two days

I think Hashut's army will have an aestethic between Horns of Hashut and the Hobgrots (because, if you remember, Hobgrots's armor and weapons are made by the chorfs)

>>96108095
They're not getting the horns of hashut in their roster nor the existing hobgrots, they're not tied down by their design cues.

>>96107653
They'll probably redo the terrorgheist atleast, up in the air if they keep the zombie dragon dual monster kit thing.

I don't think we've seen a lot of monster dual kits lately ? Not talking about like the revenant dragon with or without vhordrai, but stuff the carnosaur being able to be built as a troglodon etc.

>>96108095
given that you see the same runes on both the horns of hashut scales and the hobgrot standards, i'd say thats a good preview of the chorf runes style.

>>96108095
No.
I will repeat again.
No, please.

>>96108301
Geometric Bull Dwarves are much better than Generic Evil Train Dwarves.

i'm really afraid they will change the classic aesthetic into something weird and not appealing like lumineth.

reminder Slaanesh and Nurgle are the only decent chaos factions.

>>96108508
It might turn out to be another old wold release like vampires, lizards and skaven. Fingers crossed, anon.

Whence will we receive more Freeguild

>>96108095
>>96108289
I am fucking scared that this will be the case, just because this >>96108379 ugly icon exists.
The legion of Azgorh looked fine to me, but I hate this supposed aesthetic.
Back in the day there were loads of alternate sculpts belonging to the "mask creed" of chorf fans that looked fine.
I would prefer Babylonians though. At least evil middle-eastern dwarfs.

Also, there's a piece of fanart from this same artist that had a masked chorf lord on a taurus in front of a ziggurat, but I cannot find it for the life of me.
I think it was this artist at least. If anyone else knows which one I am talking about I would love to see it.
I remember it was a cover for one of the fan made army books forever ago.

how many roll a 3+ skills do you think chaos dwarves will have

>>96108095
iirc the orruk army book also says that the Chorfs intentionally give them the worst shit that comes out of their forges so that's an easy out for the design team to ignore those design cues.

>>96108379
God, i hate this shitty thing. I will take anything except that multi eye train Hashut. I want mesopotamian-bull theme chorfs.

>>96108547
At the end of the edition, right before or during the campaign that sees the fall of tempest's eye (to skaven), hallowheart (to chorfs), the living city (to kurnothi) and greywater (to khul)

HOWLING at how Seraphon players got cucked again by GW making Saurus Warrior spear users the new Saurus Guard. Cackling.

>>96108555
eh, they nailed gitmob and soulblight, the new kharadron infantry look sick and so do the idoneth heroes that just came out. i'm willing to give em a little trust and see what they do with it.

i dont think its just going to be an uprezzing of the legion of azgorh though, and if thats your hope i think you're in for a world of disappointment. however, i do think there is a moderately high chance that the forgeworld legion of azghor range does come back for the old world so you may be able to just buy it from them in the future.

>>96108880
>mesopotamian-bull theme chorfs
Which you won't get. GW is specifically making AoS factions visually distinct (or as much as they can do) from TOW. It's why Seraphon got metal shields now instead of scale ones, to separate them from TOW visually. So Chorfs will not look anything like your 'key know' from TWWH3.

>>96109047
>went to see what you're talking about
>mfw
what the fuck is gw doing.... how fucking lazy and cheap are you that you decide to not only remove options from the game, but go 'err yeah these are guard too'.

>>96109071
>if thats your hope i think you're in for a world of disappointment.
Nah, as I said -I'd would prefer Babylonians or at least evil middle-eastern dwarfs.
My fear is that they'll go with this face-grid chainy look as the icon suggests.

>>96109115
Not even just one box.

>>96109104
I mean seraphon are a bit more magitech instead of feral like they were previously but aside from that their aesthetic remains pretty much unchanged. Skaven are a straight 1 to 1 update. Gitmob and soulblight each go into a slighty different direction, even though the overall idea remains the same. Stuff like a lumineth/fyreslayer tier reinvention is honestly an outlier at this point I think. More likely they'll keep the classic chorf look but tweak things just a little bit here and there. They'll probably look more like seraphon to lizards than loomies to high elves I'd say.

>>96109150
Yeah but what I mean is I think GW wants the visual difference to be enough that you can go 'Okay those are TOW' and 'Okay those are AoS'. It is all really dependent on what happens with DoK. If my belief is true that they remove the bikini elves and cover them up (I mean they will anwyay because T&A isn't allowed in Warhammer any more) then that'll move into TOW. They did it with Sylvaneth by moving away from dryads and stuff. Same shit with HH and 40k. Want visual differences.

>>96109047
>>96109115
>>96109125
I can't find anything about this online

Aos has done Asian factions well. I mean, just look at obr, lumineth, and hedonites!
>>96109177
I do actually hope witch elves get changed to be more Greek themed, also with less retarded posing. Either way tow will probably just use a pick between the two variation of the metals to sell for them , so they won’t go away.

>>96109292
I found those on reddit, it appears to be in multiple stores in different countries (Thailand and Netherlands). So either GW has combined the two or has had a major fuck up. Perhaps Saurus Warriors are being renamed Saurus Guard and Saurus Guard will become, I dunno, Spawn of Quetzl.

>>96109115
I think going off that “ trust the great plan “ word usage in the Beastmen warcom post GW is probably reboxing the older seraphon for old world and having new AoS era seraphon fill the missing gaps.

>>96109661
It's likely all old factions will go to TOW and get proper releases as I said here >>96109177 it won't happen before style change. But why is a Saurus Warrior box marked as Saurus Guard? Unless, as I said here >>96109484 they're making a new Saurus Guard unit and calling it Spawn of Quetzl, with Saurus Guard being new Saurus Warriors so Saurus Warriors can go to TOW. Since Saurus Guard don't exist in WHFB name wise.

Just figured out what I thought was part of the antlers is actually the ears on the deer head. So I gotta go back in and fix that

I like the Cavaliers but my god do these fuckers have a lot of detail. I was torn between Cities and Darkoath and I went Cities, but sometimes I look at the Darkoath cavalry that doesn't have a billion little details and wonder if I made the right move

>>96109790
You are painting in subassemblies right anon

>>96109801
I'm leaving the shield off.

>dark elves back to Fantasy
>ogres back to Fantasy
>lizardmen back to Fantasy
>TOW getting dogs of war, with it hobgoblins
If it happens I hope the new witch elves are still sexy and scanty and they aren't like dark eldar wyches where there's men in the unit.

>>96109855
>>dark elves back to Fantasy
Probably. Maybe not. Who knows
>>ogres back to Fantasy
If DOW is true then thats still not happening for a while
>>lizardmen back to Fantasy
Only if its back to when they were slann

>>96109855
None of them are going back (in the sense they're going from AoS) they're going back and being different, visually.

Kurnothi when? Be funny if the new army that GW is confirmed being revealed on Friday is Kurnothi.

>>96109855
Eh as a TOW and AoS player. I want the DOW rumours to be true but they seem too good to be true. Ogors going back to fantasy would be nice because maybe they could then get rules that don’t make them terrible.

>>96109960
They’re all going back while AoS will get new kits that look different to replace them. Imagine if the bean counters at GW weren’t massive fags and they simpely included rounds and squares in boxes.

>>96109960
Only thing that really needs updating (in seraphon) is everything that has a skink on it anyways. Which is quite a chunk of the range, admittedly.
>>96109967
Underworlds, maybe.

>>96109994
Yeah that's what I meant. Which is why I suspect Witch Elves will no longer be sexy and be covered up (they already did it with Lelith in 40k, her new model is terrible). It'll be boiling the frog. They'll put them in spandex shorts or skin-tight trousers. It'll sucks. I'd kill to be rich or be able to draw, or model, I'd make my own setting. I don't want coom models, I do want stuff that is at least a nod to the classic cheesecake of the past. Witch Elves are that. Or topless harpy or had the Slaaneshi archers had a boob exposed. Stuff that is there but is at least acceptable.

AAh fuck it the 80/90s is gone.

>>96109995
Well GW did set up Kurnothi 'appearing' en masse during the Dawnbringer Crusade where they start getting transfigured by the call of the hunt or w/e. If the claim that Kurnothi forces are destroying Living City, that's cool. But I don't think they can be a separate faction. Part of Sylvaneth? Sure.

But it is 99.9% Chorfs because of the preview video. Some of the hats I am not sure about. Wizard hat and tricorne style hat. Guess just stuff for CoS?

>>96110038
You can always just buy the scantily clad ones and use them? If they aren’t in AoS they will be sold for Fantasy. I’m sure no one will care if you proxy the old sexy witch elves for whatever burqa equivalent new unit will be created.

>>96109995
i would have liked a unit of saurus guard that had more armor. the saurus warriors dont even have face masks apart from the unit champion, they are pretty much naked except for some hip guards

even if it were just ceremonial like the headdresses and collars of the lancers, it would be something.

>>96110095
Yeah I know, it's just like a principle thing. Like Diaz Daemonettes. If you use them, then you're looked at weird, even if you prefer it thematically. Same with just buying 3rd party models. It's not 'sanctioned' by GW. I just wish GW would not be afraid. They made Fiends topless but nothing else, I guess because it is a monster? I know one of the sculptors at GW said his original Kill Team Night Lords designs got sent back because they broke decency laws in some country or countries.

>>96110124
In WHFB, Temple Guard had light armour to differentiate them. Going off GW making Saurus Warriors box have Saurus Guard on it now I am convinced GW is going to rename Saurus Warriors to Saurus Guard then rename Saurus Guard to something else (I said Spawn of Quetzl) and that allows Saurus Warriors to be used in TOW without you getting AoS when you type in Saurus Warriors (because Saurus Guard don't exist in WHFB/TOW). Thus you can use the cureent Saurus Guard as Temple Guard as before, while AoS gets visually distinct Spawn of Quetzl or whatever and Saurus Warriors renamed Saurus Guard.

>>96110125
Unironically who are you playing with that would treat you differently in a negative way for using Diaz daemonettes? Sounds like the problem is the people you play with. I get that some people have this mentality of only using the most recent GW minis, but that’s a minority of people and they are usually newish to the hobby so you can just use your weight of experience to make them realize they are in the wrong.

>>96110125
>Like Diaz Daemonettes. If you use them, then you're looked at weird,
no you aren't

>>96110063
>Some of the hats I am not sure about. Wizard hat and tricorne style hat. Guess just stuff for CoS?
I'm not sure how seriously you can take most of the hats, chances are they just walked to the nearest party store and took what was available.

Khornebros, how are we feeling about the new bloodtithe? Part of me is interested in a more aggressive less finesse style, but I also really like the old murderlust.

>>96110281
Yeah, looked at with envy I bet.

>>96110365
It looks like a bit of a nerf but it’s definitely more fun.

>>96110346
Yeah I assumed the joke was just "hats because of chorfs" and not "each of these hats is a specific hint at something"

>>96110125
>they broke decency laws in some country or countries.
Probably china, they've been trying to push there for a while and I'm unsure of how well it's doing. They even made a point to make Cathay have no skulls or "grisly imagery" to ensure Chinese customers would buy it even if it makes the item look less like warhammer.

>>96110380
It does look like a nerf for higher level players, but that I am not. If the warscrolls are more robust to facilitate a more face smash style, then I will be happy

>>96110151
>Unironically who are you playing with that would treat you differently in a negative way for using Diaz daemonettes?
Danger hairs.

>>96110095
For me it's more about convenience. Just being able to go to the store and buying them there rather than having to wait on shipping.
Another issue is people will copy GW and instead of sexy half or fully naked elf sluts we'll get more neutered garbage in mumus.

>>96110038
Lelith is completely fine, they made her look more like the unit she leads. There are better examples to bitch about.

>>96108555
they don't even need bad models to ruin an army release.

>>96110586
Why are you playing with them?

>>96110619
Get ready for the box to be a priest hero, 2 Bull centaurs and 5 gun toting Chorfs.

>>96110619
I feel there's a difference in that no-one was asking for Gitmob.

>>96110151
>Unironically who are you playing with that would treat you differently in a negative way for using Diaz daemonettes?
Imagined adversaries conjured up by chronic echo chamber confinement

>>96110632
Yeah the difference is goblins are like 10x as popular. They better understand they need to both blow it out of the water on models and not gouge the fuck out of the prices if they don't want fyreslayers 2.0.

>>96110628
> Get ready for the box to be a priest hero, 2 Bull centaurs and 5 gun toting Chorfs.
I really hope not. Even the space marine army boxes (space wolves, ec, especially ec) were so much better than the Aos ones just from how much stuff was in it.

>>96110651
>Yeah the difference is goblins are like 10x as popular.
Yeah but those players already played Goblins, so selling them more overpriced Goblins was a questionable move.

>>96110660
>Yeah but those players already played x, so selling them more overpriced x was a questionable move.
this describes 99% of gws space marine profits.

>>96110675
That's fair, to be honest I wish I knew why marines keep selling when everyone apparently already has a ton of them.

>>96110610
>Lelith is completely fine
You are why we can't have good things.

>>96110660
>so selling them more overpriced of the same

Thats literally 40K and Stormcast Eternals.

>>96110659
meh the SW box doesn't look that different than deathrattle, and it cost more.

>>96110686
tell me the last few female kits they intended to look attractive, maethela, krethusa, lady elisse, are actually bad.

>>96110709
Any space marine box will sell no matter how shit it is. Remember how bad the blood angels box was? It still sold gangbusters.

>>96110738
No, I don't follow 40k. There's a million unsold copies of some inquisition battleforce on every secondary store still everytime I look though.

>>96110751
The inquisition isn’t space marines

>>96110632
I wanted new gitmob and spiders since 2ed when i started gitmob and spiders. Im sure the people who want new chaos dwarves have probably wanted plastic chaos dwarves for a while.

>>96110751
Which proves the point.
The inquisition box is aesthetic as. Yet super soaker awful marines sell out

>>96110732
Krethusa is good. Malaneth is bad

>>96110732
>they intended to look attractive
>this isn't intended to look attractive

>>96109790
I still think that guy is an elf. Human heads aren't shaped like this, Lumineth are

>>96110952
>Human heads aren't shaped like this
That's a helmet, retard.

>>96110952
no elf has this face

>>96110949
lelith does look good.

>>96110979
no, she doesn't

>>96110124
I want more biological variation within Saurus and lizardmen in general the Kroxigor and blessed skinks are a tiny step in the right direction.

>>96109047
>>96109115
I was fully expecting the new saurus guards to not look anymore like the classical temple guards with skull helmets and to not be named saurus guards either but "[dudes] of quetzl" or some shit, following salamanders becoming the spawn of chotec and chameleons, the hunters of huanchi

I also wouldn't mind it if the elite saurus isn't coming at all and instead lizards are getting that concept via a bodyguard hero, or are using that release slot for something else, like an updated stegadon or a new monster

>>96110732
>maethela
Ugly.
>krethusa
Can't see her face.
>lady elisse
She looks good. So 1/3.

>>96110967
I'm not talking about the horns

>>96111033
>and instead lizards are getting that concept via a bodyguard hero
They could have done that well with the underworlds band, just armor them up and give them a different weapon, but apparently not, they needed those 2 saurians to be normal warriors for some reason.

>>96110142
>>96111033
Now that you mention it yeah they've really started changing aos names for little reason lately, see also grave guard and black knights becoming barrow guard and knights. I think you're on to something about them not wanting people to get results from both systems
when they look for a name.
Personally I would still prefer nu-temple guard go be an actual unit, I like having variation in my infantry options. And yes the jaws of itzl just having two perfectly normal saurus is a huge let down for an otherwise fantastic sculpt.

>>96111452
grave guard and black knights aren't descriptive enough, that's all

>>96111638
Is barrow guard really meaningfully different grom grwve guard ?

>>96111655
paired with barrow knights it helps differentiate them from crypt guard

Did they post the new stat lines for bloodthirsters yet? I usually like running 2 and I wanted to see if they fixed or made the flail one worthless again.

>>96109115
old lizardmen confirmed as returning to the old (new) world then
they only need to update the skinks and the stegadon now

Why do lizards suck this season? Skill issue?

>>96111990
They're a pretty "honest" army with not a lot of bullshit tricks, but their raw stats just aren't all that good for the points cost. Kroak was carrying hard but got shafted a bit due to new battleplans so the faction is showing its cracks. Also some points costs for the actually good artefacts like coatl familiar thingy. Aggradons seem the way to go for good lists right now.

>>96111814
BTs mentioned in here.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/5ex5kbbq/field-furious-armies-exclusively-made-of-gorechosen-or-bloodthirsters/

>>96112187
>Gorechosen get their own AoR
>Baleful Lords get their own AoR
I suppose that's nice.

>>96112187
why does this fag get a better profile than vamp lords and the megaboss.

>>96112187
>woe, 5 bloodthirsters upon ye
>>96112265
such is the power of khorne

>>96112265
GW can't balance heroes, what else is new. He'll still be foot combat hero, which means he won't be worth taking.

>>96112187
>one boomer higher up spends a weekend learning photoshop
>"I can replace all the artists for UW, it'll look sick"
lmao

>>96112303
Doesn't fit in the same army

>>96112289
depends on the enhancements, a lot of non caster foot heroes are worth bringing now.

>>96112265
not really something that should be looked down upon, all the heroes getting 5/3/3/-1/2 is boring as fuck.

Instead they should give vamps strike first since they're supposed to be fast, and megaboss should have rerolls of 1 to wounding, or more damage. Homogenization is the biggest cancer of 4e by far, and it's not even working.

>>96110380
I had the opposite impression, the new battle traits put you on a somewhat linear path while the old one gave you different options you could use at mostly any point, and murderlust was a unique ability that changed how both you and your opponent played the game.

If I played Khorne I'd still just prefer 3e's traits the most, but I guess if you wanted another turn your brain off melee army, which there's no shortage of, then the 4e traits are the best of the bunch.

Which dynasty is best anons ? Trying to come up with a background for my sbgl.
although I might just go full skelly instead. How viable is that in casual games?

>>96112440
>How viable is that in casual games?
Anything is viable in casual

>>96112440
Pastels

>>96112440
>I might just go full skelly instead. How viable is that in casual games?
Don't use their AoR, they need the healing found in regular soulblight.
Barrow Knights with the mounted Wight King is actually pretty good. The more knights the better.

>>96095697 (OP)
>TQ
Stormcasts, I really like the newer models, but I’ve never liked them as characters. They are so dull and uptight. They never shut up about Sigmar. Morathi has a stranglehold on her cult, but DoK don’t inject her name into every other line.

>vice versa
Kharadron. I’ve never not enjoyed a Kharadron novel, they’re enjoyable characters that have the best qualities of Dwarfs but the worst excesses of humans. I also love their science and weaponry. However, I am simply not a fan of steampunk designs.

>>96095697 (OP)
>TQ
Fyreslaers and KO both. Their lore is actually great, but I don't like the execution.

>>96095697 (OP)
>OP
Boneclowns are the most tragic case of interesting lore and characterization paired with hideous execution across most of their range.

>>96112968
I strongly agree. I adore the lore and concept of the Ossiarchs. Even the playstyle in the game. But I just do not care for the aesthetic execution on that premise at all within the model range with only a handful of exceptions.

>>96112968
>>96112987
For some reason I love mir kainan and have 0 interest in the rest of the range. He's not even that different but for some reason he appeals much more to me

>>96095697 (OP)
I dispise i must admit i like the idea of elemental elfs that control light and other elements but the actual models are...

>>96113071
>cool hat
>no silly smile or nose
>actually tall and imposing
it's that easy, ossiarchs suffer from their basic troop being allegedly elite but looking comical due to their height and faces
the way to fix ossiarchs is to relegate the morteks to horde infantry and to make a new posterboy infantry of elite ossiarchs

>>96113120

>>96095697 (OP)
>thread question
I really like the Daughters of Khaine, but miss that Witch Elves used to be married to Khaine - and now because they were "made" by Morathi, are now daughters of Morathi - and since she's now Morathi-Khaine - daughters of Khaine, instead of a sect of bloody-handed brides. I really enjoyed my horde of crazy, yandere-tier obsessed crazy wretches killing in the name of their gore-rending groom.

But it's really really minor and I don't care that much

>>96113071
>>96112987
>>96112968
Seems like what bothers people the most about them is the mouths, noses, or height of mortek. Personally, I love the shit eating grins, looks like they're mocking you. Like it extra triggers people that struggle against OBR because they can't be bothered to learn how to play the game.

>>96113120
the warcry band cyclops or whatever looks way worse.

If they change the faces just make them match Mir or Katakros.

>>96113152
It should have been optional

>>96113244
I dunno I guess it never bothered me that much because you still get a good selection of heads to choose from. Would seem easy to green stuff as well, and it's not like you can see their faces well while playing the game. Headswaps are pretty easy in general, seen tons just put regular skeleton heads on em.

>>96113127
Had a hard time placing why I dislike the middle one until I saw them next to each other. The proportions are noticeably off. The band is suppose to be OBR rejects so I understand that's why, but as a template for elite mortek I don't like it. The neck is too thick as well as the torso and legs. It's not really a middle step between the two, it's basically the fatcast of OBR.

>>96113152
Yeah. I love the idea of OBR and most of the models but they lean to heavily into comedy for me. I know Warhammer is full of jokes but for the whole faction to be more goof than horror is a miss for me.

>>96113179
I dislike most of the non chaos warcry warbands (hunters are goated though) but the ossiarch bonereaper one is especially ugly to me. The centaur idea is cool at least but it looks like ass. Lumineth also suck.

>>96113286
>The neck is too thick as well as the torso and legs.
I think your evaluation is fundamentally flawed.

>>96113244
just put Warhammer Skulls on instead of Bonereaper heads

>>96113349
But then they stop having the cool crests and ridges.

>>96113376
you're sharp i'm sure you'll figure out a solution between the steering wheel and driver's seat that'll let you solve that

>>96113127
Ah…Tyranid necron Roman samurai…who the fuck thought this aesthetic was a good idea

>>96113380
if you've done conversions on your models you should know that kind of fine adjustments is not just hard, it simply takes too much time and effort for the number of models you should do that to.

But no, keep being an asshat who refuses to acknowledge the unpopularity of GW's choices.

>>96113244
For how bad the game is, the eternals in Mtg have great "skeleton but not really" designs

>>96113446
MTG used to have a more than stellar artistic direction.

>>96113446
True
I've seen Lazotep Ossiarchs paint job several times

>>96113427
>it simply takes too much time and effort
this is not wrong but i am content to invest that

>acknowledge the unpopularity of GW's choices.
i don't care about OBR

I may be weird but I like how OBR look. I also like IDK even though my mom laughed at them and said they look like toddler toys...

>>96113581
Lmao based mon
I actually quite like the idk too. Gotta be the only guy in the world who is a fan of the namarti

>>96113614
>I actually quite like the idk too. Gotta be the only guy in the world who is a fan of the namarti
To be fair the fact that I enjoy IDK is most likely because of that book with that IDK prince. I really liked that book.

>>96113614
>>96113581
IDK are probably the prettiest half-completed army range in all of AoS.

>>96113705
half completed in the sense they're wearing only half the armor they should be wearing to look cool.

>>96113705
Only the sharks are a turn off

>>96113711
At least the heroes mostly have cool armor. Eidolon and the Kings especially.

what's stopping GW to give Idoneth the cool models they deserve?

>>96113847
Need more Old World compatible models, I guess.

>>96113847
Seriously all they had to do was give them an elite infantry kit and people would've been happy with their update. Should've just copy pasted the ikon 4 more times and voila. Oh well, surely next edition :)

>less than 24 hours until we get chorfs
If you got any last minute predictions now's the time anons

>>96114095
real gloomspite models, i really crave a updated goblin kit. Should be a triple kit, shootas, stabbas and knightly ones.

>>96114095
Just avoid weird aesthetics please...
PLEASEEEEE

>>96114131
Why would GSG get a new kit? We know what's at the show and it isn't warcry

>>96114160
because they just forgot to put warcry in there.
Right?

>>96114187
copium

>>96113403
I don’t see the nid astheitc. And it’s more Persian than anything.

>>96114095
Dok wave 2.
No pity heroes, actual units, a box where they're not shoving warlocks again to move stock.
I want to dream, I want to believe.
If I am to be wrong let me be wrong, but I will not desire for anything less.

>>96113092
…fantastic.
Except for some of the actual assembly design. Shit is boo-boo.

>>96113847
Realistically?
It was already a low-selling army. Hard to paint well. People don’t pick it up because they’re hard to play, too. What does GW go and do? Make them harder and nerf the warscrolls. It’s GW self-sabotaging them into the deadly cycle of “doesn’t sell models, so it doesn’t get support” that only Sisters of Battle have escaped from.

>>96113581
OBR are somewhat popular. Based on how many people watch their videos and take them to tournaments (even when they were fuck awful for the first half of 3e), they're somewhere in the upper half to upper third.

>>96114388
Are there any good stats for aos faction popularity ? Guesstimating that stormies, vamps, std, gitz, and lately skaven are among the most popular, followed by lizards and sylvaneth. After that I can't say much, other than fyreslayers and sons are at the bottom.

>>96114476
It's hard to get a grasp on what stats are good and representative of the factions across every, people who buy the models for painting & don't really look at anything online.

But tournament representation isn't exclusively people who get more than one game a week in. Plenty of people stroll up to huge events like LVO just to have fun, there's a weird narrative people here push that only people that want to sweat and play for podium go to tournaments.

The other piece is looking at things like how many people watched battle tome review videos for each faction from the same content producer as well as when they were dropping the faction packs for the new edition.

>>96114476
closest thing is the goonhammer survey, but that's mostly NA and tourneyfags, so not particularly representative

>>96114597
>tourneyfags
>which includes a pothead I played, a guy and his son, and some dude and his wife

awful people really

>>96114597
tournament players are maybe 1% of all consumers if you're being generous.

I wonder what the chuardin army rule will be

>>96114290
With how their recent models look, I prefer to not get anything new.

>>96114686

>>96114686
sad thing is this face would be perfect for a deranged halfling

>>96114706
Indeed.

>>96114095
Chorf and Sylvaneth warbands
FEC Ghoul King and Hawk Master (mutant bat)
Nighthaunt apothecary hero
Roadmap showing DoK, Maggotkin, OBR, CoS
path to glory book alongside a new terrain set for fighting in mosscairn

>>96114686
All to appease people that will never buy a single kit of the faction.

>>96114724
>Uncle Androoooosss

>>96114805
literally no one is clamoring for more ugly models btw
I'm what you'd call a woke sjw cuck or whatever and I want pretty girls too y'know

>>96114724
>>96114831
I can fix her, I hope. Just have to use that SoB face panting guide.

>>96114686
Has GW ever managed to pull off attractive female faces?

>>96114861
>Morathi, AoS and Fantasy
>Alarielle, Fantasy
>Elisse
>Miao Ying
>hand maiden of the everqueen
>GSC magos girl
>and a lot of vampiresses, particularly lahmians and the latest Isabella from Fantasy
They are capable of doing it, and their sculptors are talented. The ugly faces, like shoeless state troopers, are a deliberate design choice.

>>96114735
>Fec hawk master (mutant bat)
Soul

I dont think the miniatures are ugly, i think GW artists paint them ugly. Crazy eyes, no eyebrows OR evil caricaturesque ones, huge under lips and mouth wrinkles.

desu it's not like with any miniature in my hands will look attractive with my poor painting skills.

>>96113120
>bonefags begging to be nagashmarines

>>96114998
it's a tabletop game my man I'm not seeing shit, if you don't paint googly eyes it's just a vague face shape

crypt ghoul refresh....... please gw we didn't need crypt guard

>>96114623
> Bringing your wife to a tournament
Fucking weird

>>96113403
Idk but it works so I'm happy
More OBR please

>>96115007
They are touted as death's elite faction but mortek haven't felt elite in a long ass time, not since 2e. I'm still confused why they can't get a point of rend. They somehow burned one of our two SOG scroll slots on making a worse version of mortek, it's like the writer for the faction has PTSD from playing against them.

>>96115286
and you think adding a chaos warriors eq, literally the worst general archetype of unit in the game is going to somehow change that?

>>96115243
>he doesn't team up with his wife to win some toy soldier tournaments
Ngmi

>>96115309
nta who posted the picture but I don't think anything will make me optimistic for the game or wanting to play as much as I did last edition until 5e.

That being said I'll take any new OBR unit. If there's a design issue with OBR's lineup it's that they are an elite army without sub 100 point options. S2D and SCE have multiple.

Outside that I don't really understand what the army's identity is, and I don't think their writers do either. They have auras and artillery like a castle, but the points are expensive enough that people just say fuck that and spam whatever unit is the most efficient.

>>96115286
Mortek don't get rend because of the Old World like stat reduction they tried to do in the 4e indexes, baseline 4s and 4s, rend 0 hand weapons, you need a 2hander or enhanced racial strength to get rend and wound on 3s, need to be skilled to hit on 3s etc. The game system doesn't respect that design inherently so we've already seen it abandoned. Likely directly due to AoD and other forms of +1 save being a continuous design plague on the entire game.

stormkeep discord has the KO and khorne full rules pinned in the leaky pipeline channel

anyone have a pdf for the 4th edition skaven battletome? I can use wahapedia but want to look through it

>>96115425
>>96084251

>>96115395
>KOdex
It's dumb and bad
Instead of like fixing anything, we get new abilities to use when we inevitably get charged and die

Do we have an IDK tome uploaded somewhere already?

>>96115438
Really? Almost the entire army gets +1 to its saves and arkanauts get a 3+ overwatch and that's your reaction?

>>96115452
ko is a waacfag army, it has no actual fans outside of being a stat sheet.

>>96095697 (OP)
I wish Brynden Rivers looked like this.

>>96112187
Seems neat. Anyone know of any good proxy models for a bloodthirster? I kind of hate the pose of regular ones. I converted a verminlord into one and also made a skarbrand/bloodthrister stand in so far.

>>96115503
No, he should look like Drycha. Yes that includes tree tiddies.

>>96114137
This is the best hope I've got to give you.
I am currently huddled over it like a small fire that's trying to blow out in a winter night.

>>96115817
We are so fucking back

>>96115842
See, I don't trust it entirely. Valrak said something about spear infantry for example, which unless he meant for hobbos -doesn't sound very chorf-y.
But I am hoping it will be something adjacent to their old looks at least.

>>96115817
which iconic style?
azghor or oldschool or even older school?

>>96115817
yeah, thank god nothing of value will be lost.

>>96115817
I'm gonna keep an open mind no matter what. I will be a little annoyed if my Warhammer World daemonsmith doesn't fit in, though.

>>96115888
Yeah, that's the slippery slope.
Maybe it's ""Azgorh adjacent"", and then it's this >>96108379 godawful look.

>>96115817
LETS FUCKING GOOOO

>>96115842
>>96115935
You guys are deranged with how much stock you put into vague bullshit like a like.

>>96114095
New AoS game, ChorfsVsAlzheimerEternals Underworld box, Chorfs spearhead, Nighthaunt units, lots of W40k and Old World announcements.

New
>>96116068

>>96114095
I think they'll sneak in a surprise Maggotkin mini release preview. New Plaguebearers and a Nurgle Chaos Warrior analogue.

oof, yeah, okay the KO book is bad. giga nerfed.

all i'll say is that the points better come down a LOT on these units, because KO are gonna have to play actual warhammer now.

>>96115882
God I hope not, never seen dorfs with spears pulled off well, just looks off. I hope it's just valrak being a blind retard when it comes to non marine stuff. Remember that this is the same guy who got a necron combat patrol leaked, but assumed it was for admech because he literally didn't recognize any of the necron unit names lmao. 40k is this guy's livelihood.
>>96115972
Eh the guy has a rock solid track record. Besides, not like we for anything else to go off. Gw has kept their shit close to the chest for once, which is surprising. Horus heresy is leaking like crazy again. Either way we'll find out in a few hours.
>>96116034
Are we finally going to find out what the fuck mosscairn is

>>96115972
Not those anons, while I agree that the like is too vague to extrapolate concrete information from, -that is how Whitefang confirms or denies things.
So we don't know which iconic style it is, or if Whitefang's comparison is even accurate. But we know Whitefang confirms he thinks it's the same style (as (?)-style).

>>96116089
>KO are gonna have to play actual warhammer now.
oh no! anyway..