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>Thread Question:
What's your favorite power to create servants, and why?

>>96101481 (OP)
Blood magic. There's so many creature building and customization options via various paths and rituals.
Technically a mage with mastery of life, mind, spirit, and prime could replicate anything any other supernatural power could make, but paradox is a bitch.

Asymmetrical Reproduction. It's an adventure by itself.

We're waiting for those ERP logs, anon.

>>96101481 (OP)
Previous thread.
>>96080231>>96080231>>96080231
This is what I get for making the OP drunl

Four Malfeans walk into a bar. None of them know anything about each other.

>>96101481 (OP)
Populate night's garden + sculpt the perfect servant lets you make super-servants.
There's a theoretical combo that would allow you to crossbreed normally incompatible splats, like dhampir/dhampyr + anything else. The bastet gift freya's blessing + the high-torment fallen ritual prenatal guardian will ensure that two childrin will both be conceived and survive to be born healthy, with all the "curses" of the parents that'd normally kill the child all forced onto the evil twin. With this you could make a healthy half-kindred/half-cathayan crime against god that'd normally be incapable of living(and also one healthy human baby with a very unfortunate family situation)

>>96101611
I know about wyrm spirits, neverborn, and infernals, what's the forth?

>>96101620
>and also one healthy human baby with a very unfortunate family situation
I imagine they'll be named after some variety of food.

>>96101589
Wait, what?

>>96101481 (OP)
>TQ
I just like (spirit) familiars in general.

>>96101639
One anon found their players wrote a whole novel's worth of ERP while he was asleep.

>>96101662
That's just rude.

>>96101620
>a healthy half-kindred/half-cathayan crime against god
This would be weird to stat out. The chi and blood systems weren't built to be compatible.

>>96101620
>Populate night's garden + sculpt the perfect servant
Where'ss that from?

>>96101672
Vitae counts as yin chi according to KotE, so my geuss is the abomination would have access to its entire chi pool regardless of their vitues, but wouldn't be able to acquire or use any yang-chi. They should also have difficulties with fire/wave soul since vitae lowers the difficulty to frenzy in being with a rage score.
Power-wise, this thing is basically just a "lupine" from the back of a VtM book. A being with easy access to potence, celerity, and a beast form that's really hard to kill.

>>96101700
>Populate night's garden
House of tremere dark age's book
>sculpt the perfect servant
Blood magic: secrets of thaumaturgy
Both are tremere thaum rituals.

>>96101708
Potence, Celerity and Black Wind would just blend anything they could reach.

>>96101481 (OP)
What is this rag doll gal? She's really cool.

>>96101736
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/6b1N50
This is where I found her

Does your PC carry swords?

>>96101840
No, they prefer to lasso "people". He was a Texan recruited by Ashwood Abby to capture monsters.

>>96101481 (OP)
>TQ
I know this definitely isn't what you mean, but dominate/presence are easily the best powers to create servants with. You can't make your super special supersoldier, but you can use it to take control of other people's special supersoldiers. There's a reason Vozhd are lobotomized.

Most importantly there's convenience. These powers are easy to get and easy to use. You can have short term servants that can slip beneath notice and create no lasting problems for you if you're creative and thorough.

>>96102113
This sort of reminds me of the anon who played a Tzimisce kamen rider wannabe, refusing to brainwash his szlachta monsters because he wanted to record himself fighting them.

What would the WoD look like if the council of 9 traditions won the ascension war? Could it really be anything but a cartoonish, apocalyptic hellscape?

>>96102192
It's a magical place.

>>96102192
>Good and unlikely non-grimdark ending
The Traditions truly begin working towards Mass Ascension, bring back wonder and magick to the world allowing for bygones, changelings and fera to happily coexist with mankind.
Naturally, the clashing paradigms force the Traditions to at least partially break ranks and begin worrying only about their own growth. However, Earth is declared a neutral zone where everyone has to work together towards awakening every human. More Horizon Realms are created too.
Despite what older, crusty mages want, cross-tradition cabals become a lot more common as a consequence of this.
>What would happen if X Tradition got the upper hand in the war
They enforce their paradigm across the world and everyone else fucks off to their respective Realms.
Some are fun and wacky, like the Etherite endgame. Others are essentially anarcho-primitivist paradise like the Dreamspeaker and Verbena.
>The grimderp route
Everyone fights each other to enforce their own paradigm because we can't have nice things. Europe becomes Abrahamic vs Pagan again, the Americas are torn between Shamanism vs Technomagick, Asia has every flavor of magickal practice fucking each other over. Alliances are short lived and seen as treason, "universalists" (technoshamans, esoteric scientists, occult scholars, etc.) get fucked, Horizon Realms become rare and unreliable, people fight over nodes like it's water and fuel in Mad Max. Sleepers get fucked harder than in the Dark Ages.

>>96101754
Thanks anon. Even has a full turn around.

>>96101840
Currently, no. Might pick one up later. He's a Hunter in 1816, the sword is starting to go out of style but it isn't dead yet. The main issue is money. He's saved up a good amount of money but wants to find a way to set himself up for the future, as he's hoping to get married soon.

Only anachronistic sword use I've had in a PC was a Ventrue I played a while back, and there are actually several practical reasons to use a sword if you're a vampire
>Far quieter than a gun
>Hurts vampires more than a gun
>Shorter swords can be hidden in a coat
>Most VtM fights start at very close range

It was a short, slightly curved cut and thrust sword. Think a hanger (infantry length saber), with all the fancy aristocratic trappings you see on wealthy officer's swords.

No. He makes them out of thin air.

>>96102243
They really do worship demons, dont they?

>>96102357
One sadhana guy told me those are just friendly spirits.

>>96101481 (OP)
Mage is free real estate; any combination of Mind, Correspondence, Forces, Matter, and Life can be winged into something serviceable, Mind 5 is the only real high bar and you can usually cheat with mind link and multitasking.

From the Thaumaturgy, on the other hand,
Sanguine Assistant (Rank 3 Ritual; Guide to the Camarilla) - UTTERLY loyal bundle of animated tools or custom pieces, has all your skills and knowledge but can't use disciplines.
Populate Night's Gardens (Rank 3 Ritual; House Tremere) - anything you want, anything at all, as long as it's living creature but the ritual needs a special lab, supplies, sea of blood, a lot of time and iterative re-casting, and much thought put towards a tailor-made training routine.
Elemental Mastery: Animate the Umoving and Summon the Elemental (Rank 3 and 4 Path powers; Guide to the Camarilla) - up to your Int rating quick and dirty animations that last a hour and as long as they're watched by you (so forever, if you're so inclined, rituals, rituals, hah-hah) after, or any elemental you want in your service (sweeten the deal and stack your persuasion attempt as much as you can so they'd be inclined to linger).
Biothaumaturgy: Experimentation line of powers (Rank 2, 4 and 5 Path powers; Dirty Secrets); more limited than PNG, but doesn't need a sea of blood and can be used on supernaturals like your party; is fantastic if you can convince your ST to let you have it (as it essentially gives you ability to enhance traits and alter physiology like Life and Mind Spheres your own good judgement is ESSENTIAL, don't abuse it, cooperate with your ST).
Soul of the Earth (Rank 1 Ritual; Storyteller Secrets; requires an allied gargoyle of sufficiently low generation) is good for gargoylefiing your creatures.

Ushabti (Path; Blood Sacrifice) is good when you play Egyptian-flavoured Tremere or Children of Osiris.
Spirits and demons (different Spirit Paths from Guide to the Camarilla and Dark Ages Companion) are finicky, but good load up to possess vampires because you can rob them from their agency (sweeten the deal anyway, why burn bridges, and lower ranks are dumb enough that you can spin riding a combat asset or socialite puppet as a free reality show easily enough).
Bone Path (Necromancy; Core) is meh, but essentially free labour for simple, but disgusting and onerous tasks your Necromancer colleague can produce so you don't have to.

There's a couple more, but I don't mention them cause they're either as above but worse, or as above but worse, AND too obscure to boot.

I'm not that fond of Sculpt the Perfect Servant (Blood Magic) >>96101620 because it's rank five and as such competes with mandatory Talisman (Guide to the Camarilla)/Phylactery (Guide to Low Clans); essential Vires Acquirit Eundo (Blood Magic) you need to get after, and takes an unacceptably massive timetable slot out of performing the above and developing your own rituals to learn.

>>96102658
>Spirits
Bind the Familiar, bro.

>>96102664
>as above but worse
With detrimental exclusivity of the deal tagged on. Same goes for homunculae and imps.

By all means use it if you're attached to one specific spirit or just like the concept of a Familiar, though.

>>96102664
>>96102680
Something to keep in mind is that you can take a familiar at chargen using Retainer, Ally, Mentor or Companion advantages (there's specific merit and background in blood libel and somewhere else).

Less hassle and you get more say over their appearance, character and competences if you present ST with one baked in your backstory.

>>96101624
Any of the denizens of Malfeas in Exalted

>>96101624
>>96102733
Also any Nephandi who worship the Wyrm, so this joke can fit five different Malfeans in it.

>>96101840
Rarely.
Even for my martial artists using a weapon is more of a handicap cause they have rotes that allow them to ignore all bullshit forms of defence that isn't natural Stamina soak dice of a normal human as long as they hold no faith but their own Dao, covet no riches and vices but enlightenment, foster no attachments but that of a mentor and disciple and use no weapon but their own body and will.

>>96102656
A typo.
>Elemental (Rank 3 and 5 Path powers
4 is turning yourself into an inanimate object of equal mass till sunrise. Which, oddly enough, doesn't confer any benefits so it's an useless vampire armchair rote unless you can convince your ST/re-develop power into a proper Elemental Form that can assume any element, lets you move about, if with difficulty and confers element specific resistances (water is resistant to physical attacks but loses shape and flows, flame cannot be burned but needs oxygen and periodic fuel intakes, wind cannot be really harmed by anything but can't really affect anything in turn, stone is durable and hits hard but is very slow and clumsy and so on).

Dreamt last night that there was a Fairly Oddparents splat for WoD

>>96102247
>The Traditions truly begin working towards Mass Ascension
Literally the exact opposite of their game plan. Mass ascension is the goal of the technocrats, the traditions are fighting for individual ascension that doesn't require collectivist mass manipulation(read:they want to bring back the age of sorcerer kings where unawakened are treated as slaves)

>>96102954
There is though. It's called Changeling.

>>96102954
>calarts dogshit
Hell no.

>>96101721
They'd only get one dot of each anon. Black wind and celerity don't stack either, both require you you only take physical actions.
Black wind is just better than celerity anyway. Dham can get it higher than 1 and it provides more options.

>>96102992
I'm not familiar with CtD. Is there wish granting in it?

>>96102192
Nothing good for you and me and most normal people.
I would also imagine the Virtual Adepts and the Etherites split to their own little group, afterwards.

>>96102967
Amusingly, another way to say it, I guess: theTechnocracy believes it can forcefully make the rest of the world ascend in spite of itself. It has a centralized state revolutionnary communism ethos (as in self-appointed curators dictating policy in the name of common good, if necessary againt the will of those being administrated).
By opposition, the Traditions show a strong liberal, free marlet, bias that believes it can lead humanity to ascenscion by giving individuals the incentives to self-actualize in an unregulated space, leading to balkanization/atomization of groups and the creation of an aristocracy of "merit".

>lost 2e has all these pages and pages of rules for new subsystems
>they're all very cumbersome and aren't even enjoyable to use once you've learned them

the best cofd games are the ones that only had a few books and focused subsystems from the get go. Mummy the Curse doesn't count because it's bad.

>>96103093
Except for Dramaturgy and Bedlam the subsystems are just different ways to use Hedgespinning/Dreamweaving.
Or what exactly do you mean, frogposter?

>>96103186
NTA but Hedgespinning and Dreamweaving are great examples of cool ideas with the most tortured implementation. Baubles are much the same.

>>96101624
>infernals
I thought infernals were something separate. Where are they noted to be a type of Malfean?

>>96103036
>Mage: the Horseshoe Theory
You are correct though, both the Technocracy and Tradition endgames effectively involve turning humanity into slave batteries for their own vision of Ascension 'for their own good'.
Never trust a mage who thinks he knows better than you.

>>96103230
>Hedgespinning and Dreamweaving
-declare intent and mundane dicepool
-st says yes/ no and required successes
-spend glamour and roll
-successes-1 go towards goal
-repeat roll in future turns if needed
It could have been way worse. It's not like we play any of these games for well written rules texts and examples. Or even a clear separation of fluff and crunch

Baubles suck though.

How do I get into Wraith? I tried reading Wr20 but I never finished it and apparently it's considered not very good.

>>96103387
Wraith is bleak grimderp even by WoD standards, and even then, an acquired taste.
Can really easy break up friendly groups since you're supposed to dick each other over even more than in proper Vampire.
Nnnot power fantasy, not ERP material (not that it ever stopped a determined player), not for everyone.

>>96103477
I've heard as much but I still want to read more into it, if only to round out my World of Darkness knowledge

Someone last thread said that Caine thinks the Verbena are liars, why is that?

>>96103689
Guess who Lilith and the Crone were.

>>96103721
He's mad because they like Lilith and don't acknowledge him and what she did?

>>96103564
After reading 2e, either of old cores, really, you can more or less judge if you care for it and need to read further.
Player's Guide if you're gonna play, Shadow Player's Guide about dicking each other over aspect, Haunts is a weaker book but convenient for the Storyteller, browse the guild books that you're interested in, Legions for more understanding about mandatory military service and society over all, Renegades about opposing that society, Doomslayers is a must read, most books are worthy even if you're in just for lore, there's a decent sea segment.

Jewish people, for reasons that should be obvious, appreciate Charnel Houses, but I don't care for it much. Great War and Dark Kingdom of Jade on the other hand are worth checking out even if you don't care for those settings.

Orpheus might be a better approach from the paranormal investigator side, but it's essentially post-apocalyptic for Wraith's setting with all that entails, if you need mediums go with Mediums.

>>96103976
Yeah, I'm familiar with Orpheus, it's the game I actually want to get into and play but I thought I'd check out Wraith first for some background

>>96103976
>for reasons that should be obvious
Eternal unwarranted victim complex?

>>96103689
He's not wrong. Europe doesn't have a history of matriarchal druidism like the verbena preach, they're literally a group started by genuinely evil witches that got got lucky when the order of hermes ascended to create the traditions and some great PR in the 20th century that to feminists promoting Wicca as an actual pagan religion(even though it's literally a crowley era sex cult).
They have no business being their own thing.

>>96103347
Ironically, that means the Weaver is the only greater force in WoD that truly wants to improve humanity since she's the only one who wants to completely cull the supernatural nonsense and allow humans to have our comfy, mundane lives without horrors beyond comprehension randomly derailing stuff on a whim

>>96103976
>Orpheus
The weirdest part about orpheus is that normal wraiths technically exist and aren't statted any different. Its just that with stygia gone and new-stygia still in the process of being built by the protagonists of ends of empire, the orpheus groups never have a chance to meet them.

>>96102247
I'm pretty sure the least destructive scenario for a Council Win would still involve most modern tech going to shit as they really don't have a good explanation for why most of it would work. That would almost inevitably snowball as a lot of people just die before they have a chance to turn Earth into Exalted Creation and it is unlikely that the planet would survive the surge of supernatural bullshit on top of mundane catastrophes.

>>96103347
Not really true. The technocrats do not want civilians in the crossfire and are actively working to make it so that every individual has the same power as an awakened mage.
Their biggest issue is that they're control-freaks constantly trying to make utopia, only to cause a market-correction(paradox on a society scale) that ends up making everyone into wagies. The technocrats are genuinely, unironically the boring good guys with flaws, while the traditions are that fun friend who's actually a crackhead that'll knife you in the back to get ahead in life.

>>96104147
No? The Weaver literally wants to turn you into a drone, anon. A fly wrapped within the same web in which it entrapped the Wyrm.
It is the horror beyond comprehension smothering you to keep you 'safe'.

>>96104186
>No? The Weaver literally wants to turn you into a drone, anon.
That's the opposite of what the weaver wants. Drones are supernatural and break her laws of physics. The weaver Hates having drones around, but employs them because it's the lesser evil compared to not fighting the wyrm/wyld/gaia in her eyes.

>>96102152
This is exactly what it means to be Tzimisce, to ignore the small mercy of lobotomising your agonised bio-soldiers, for the chance of them rebelling so you always have something to fight. This is the sort of Fiend the Old Clan hate the least

>>96102357
Anon, half of those things *are* demons. Like the giant red thing creeping up on the elephant looks like one of those tusked snake pachyderms (from either hindu or north african mythology, forgot where its from)

The Weaver wants everything to be stationary so nothing is destroyed, since it can't outright stop time on a large enough scale she makes do with spirits that avert the acts of destruction.

For old world of darkness, where can I find (if no one has it on hand) mortal rules/a character sheet for a mortal. I would also accept a sorcerer/psychic character sheet, since that’s just a mortal that knows magic
Or is the Mortal character sheet just the vampire character sheet without anything supernatural (except for any dots in occult or knowledge of infernalism or sorcery)

>>96104353
Original Hunters Hunted.

>>96104353
mrgone.rocksolidshells.com/

>>96104370
I am not clicking that without a vpn. You aren’t infecting me with digital barnacles

>>96104379
Guy makes interactive sheets for all things WoD/CoD.
Should be safe, for the time being, but by all means, use a VPN.

I trust you can find what you need, there are sheets for pretty much everything.

>>96104379
Bruh

>>96104379
nta and that is not a bad philosophy, but in this case mr gone is just a guys who does wod and related digital character sheets for free here is his twitter
>https://x.com/mrgonev6?lang=de
if you google "wod character sheets" his side is also the first results

Thanks guys, i also successfully found the book in the Mega. I am just new to all the sites for this franchise. Every tabletop game has their version of 5etools, i know that, the hard part is always finding them. Again, thanks for helping me out, maintaining and protecting this massive archive is a virtuous thing

>>96104370
Damn. This is awesome

>>96104595
>>96104486
While I would like to share more throves putting links to them has lead to some of them going to shit for months. So yeah let's not repeat that.

>>96104379
It's one of the best makers of custom sheets, you dumb nigger.

Never played a WoD game but my group wants to give it a shot. A guy in the group who's never been DM before is going to run the campaign. What would be easiest to get a feel for the game, vampires, werewolves, or hunters? We're still deciding and pretty open to anything. Background is mostly DnD 3.5 and the guy who's going to DM really likes Pathfinder.

>>96105469
Hunter, Tier 1. Best game for those who know nothing about the setting is playing a bunch of normal dudes who know nothing about the setting.

>>96105469
>>96105505
Remember to use Hunter the Vigil 2e because their rules are a lot easier to learn and run on top of not having to deal with the Imbued's metaplot and weirdness.

>>96105469
Thirding Hunter but also throwing Werewolf into the ring

>>96105469
Vampire or Hunter are both pretty easy to get into.
Since you're choosing those particular three splats, I'm guessing you're playing 5th edition? If so, know that 5th is not popular around here and avoid W5 (ie, werewolf 5th edition). Vamp5 and Hunter5 are also largely mogged by V20 and Hunter: the Vigil, so unless your group is dead set on using the most recent edition, I'd recommend starting with those.
The main tip about WoD coming in from DnD and PF is that WoD is generally much more focused on intrigue, politics and character interactions than combat. If your group is full of rollplayers used to the action economy or dungeon delving, you're not gonna find that here. This game's primarily focused on roleplay.

>>96105539
Oh, yes, I forgot to specify. Hunter 2e is the best for your purposes.

>>96105563
Werewolf is fine but the ST needs to know a bit more than Hunter to run.

>>96105505
>>96105539
>>96105563
>>96105574
Great, thanks for the recommendations. We're not picky about the edition used, so if Hunter the Vigil 2e is the best option we'll play it over the new editions. Can't speak for the others but I'm good with lower intensity combat. I guessed it would be a little less than DnD just from reading the wiki a little to learn about the lore.

Would it be reasonable for Rituals like Sculpting the Perfect Servant to affect twins?

>>96105866
If casted on both ya?

>>96105730
New players are better off with Chronicles (2e) because the base rules are better and messing around with the lore is easier. The main reason Why people play Old World is because they find the lore better and they have more players around.

>>96105883
Yeah but would they need a single casting or one per baby?

>>96102243
Anyone else think it's kind of creepy how AI will make such demonic shit if you let it?

>>96105866
There's a similar ritual in DtF, system there is that it affects multiple babies, but for one less success per child.

>>96105927
I'd assume if they are still inside the womb, one? If they are already hatched, 2 one for each.

>>96105971
Not really, Its to be expected. They are those controlled by ones banished that cannot directly speak, interact or more with us.

>>96105971
>Tell AI to make demonic looking hindu shit
>It makes demonic looking hindu shit
>This surprises anon

Just got done watching a Borgar Video* on Marauders and Nephandi and, well...the first of those (and the Umbral Underground) would have been really helpful to know about abefore I came up with my very poor ideas about "Factions" of Marauders.

Like it helps to imagine that there's 3 major "Sections" of the UU each of which holds a Majority of the Marauders in a particular state of Quiet. The Fluxians** for Madness, a group of Marauders in Denial and a group of Marauders fallen to Morbidity.

I also hold that there's two types of Marauders:
>1: Those who occur within Consensus as a Bad End to being a Wizard.
>2: The Tradition Mages trapped in the Deep Umbra after the Avatar Storm

*-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcVyTW_f-KA

**-Yeah my general idea is that for the Marauders there's a group who just hangs out in Flux.

>>96105866
Two stillborn, ten hours weekly. Next!

>>96106020
>**-Yeah my general idea is that for the Marauders there's a group who just hangs out in Flux.
Now that's cool

>>96103477
My ST says that it's his favorite OWoD splat but that he absolutely wouldn't know what to actually DO with it.

>>96106056
Should there be a separate ritual for animals?

>>96104206
>That's the opposite of the Weaver wants

No, the Weaver wants to freeze everything to study it and admire it forever. OneSong is a part of her that operates with her favor and turns living beings - and sometimes vampires - intro Drones. And unlike banes, the licks that get turned don't get to power trip with just a few exceptions.

Why are redditors so obsessed with making the Technocracy good guys and so hung up on the Verbena and Dreamspeakers being antivaxxers?

>>96105991
>There's a similar ritual in DtF
The thaum ritual gives exact stats for the baby(3-4 dots per attribute MINIMUM), while the DTF ritual is left vague. Less things left to handwavium, the better.

>>96106246
>Why are redditors so obsessed with making the Technocracy good guys
Because they believe a lot of the same shit and see a lot of the council's beliefs in IRL people they hate.

>>96106246
Because I HECCIN LOVE SCIENCE BROOOOO (so long as it's approved by the government, corporation and mainstream media)

>>96106246
>Traditionfag trying to strawman
Most anons are going to see what you're trying to do anon. The verbena definitely deserve the hate, not sure about dreamspeakers though.

>>96106357
>The verbena definitely deserve the hate
they are also forgettable as shit outside that context. The dreamspeakers are too much of grab bag of different religions to say anything about them.

>>96106246
Ah yes, why would anyone sympathize with the guys who're canonically keeping the horrors of the outer dark at bay to keep humanity safe while the traditions mostly faff about in their artificial wonderlands in the umbra between attempts to reinstate wizard monarchy.

>>96106383
Holy run-on sentence batman!

>>96106246
>Why are redditors so obsessed
Are they?
>making the Technocracy good guys
In my experience outside of Plebbit, its less "the Technocracy are good guys" and more "the Traditions aren't good guys", but I have also seen people with a dumb inability to separate their real life pro-science/rationalist/atheistic/whatever beliefs from a game of pretend
>so hung up on the Verbena and Dreamspeakers being antivaxxers
"A dumb inability to separate their real life pro-science/rationalist/atheistic/whatever beliefs from a game of pretend"

Where does Epstein fit in to the WoD?

>>96106164
No. Level five is high enough as it is. Just get appropriate stillborn and adjust blessing cycle for a shorter gestation.

>>96106164
Doesn't specify "human", and ghoulification works just as well on animals, so it should work just fine.

>>96106383
>>96106357
Seething technocrapper.
So when's the cure for cancer coming out according to the timetable? Because that's something the Verbena make in a cauldron mixing fungi and lizard skin.

>>96106418
Mammonite

>>96106246
Personally I like the Technocracy because they're basically the same thing as Warhammer 40k Imperium, right down to specific details like having a cyborg faction that's possibly worshipping an alien god (if that's still a theory in 40k).

>>96106418
>Where does Epstein fit in to the WoD?
What part of his deal would be better as supernatural?

>>96106246
The technocracy are sympathetic but they’re also undeniably the bad guys. They’re simultaneously the reason the world is so good and in large part the reason the world is so bad. They’ve made calculated gambles and weighed pros and cons and largely lost the forest for the trees. Anyone making them the good guys unironically rather than just liking them as a faction is simply a simpleton who doesn’t see how they are one of the main threats to humanity. They are the enlightened elites, high up on a crowd, crushing the average person beneath the march of progress for the good of Mankind (read: the top 20% of society)

Anyone who doesn’t understand that is a manchild. Anyone who does understand that and thinks it’s based is an authoritarian. Both should be put down like dogs. I would vote for gladiatorial bloodsport but it would largely be a one sided bloodbath with auth right nazis absolutely curbstomping tankies. Like actually, I imagine they’d intentionally recreate scenes from American X while dabbing or something

>>96106418
Given how many powerful people are hiding the list? Fucker would have had live, indisputable evidence of vampires and true magick. The technocrats, camarilla, and probably pentex are all pouring every resource they have into keeping that shit Burried, and something seems to be still interfering...

>>96106432
The progenitors made it back in 1887 but the Syndicate convinced them that it would both cut too much into profits to simply cure it and deprive the progenitors of too much quintessence farms at the children with leukemia and fathers with dick cancer harvesting ops

>>96106432
Anon, the "cure for cancer" has come out multiple time. For different cancers.
IRL, "Cancer" is multiple similar diseases, trying to find one magic bullet cure for all cancer is like trying to cure all bacteria or cure all viruses.
In-character: They've already released multiple ways for unawakened, non-magical citizens to cure most cancers and are working on the rest. I don't see the verbena contributing much to society, there cures seem to stop working the moment someone else mixes them.

>>96106418
Syndicate/NWO triple double agent asset. Not even a "le turned nephandus" situation because you should ignore M20's garbage nephandi lore. He was just an EC asset used to collect dirt on other ECs, politicians and such.
He may have been at some point influenced by a bane but is not necessary. His evil was 100% human which is a much more grim realization.
Officially, the Syndicate made it public that he killed himself. Behind closed doors, everyone knows he was assassinated by technocratic agents. NWO representatives claim it was the Syndicate themselves, Syndicate claims it was NWO. However, in order to keep up appearances they have started the rumor within lower echelons of the Union that it was actually an Euthanatos/Ecstatic assassin that got him.

>>96106464
Super based take.

>>96106464
>said by an anon currently living a better life than the highest kings in eras past, despite being a broke deadbeat by modern standards.
Anon, if you think today's society is crap and would be better without the technocrats, then you haven't seen the pit we dug ourselves out of. It is deeper and darker than you have ever comprehended.

>>96106418
Epstein tried to use the wrong blackmail on the wrong cat and ended up getting a visit from an operative. The clean-up crews are thorough, so if you want to have the list? What list? There never was a list

>>96106495
Wait so let me get this straight: The Progenitors have a stranglehold on the medical consensus and instead of actually releasing cures they just let the unawakened do it themselves even if it takes decades and millions of children dying in the meantime?
The Verbena at least have the excuse of their paradigm being against the consensus.

>>96106527
>The clean-up crews are thorough
Which is why it's so blatently obvious that even the most retarded american is seeing the hoax for what is is. There's definitely no backlash that's having the people in power backpedaling with every new story.

>>96106357
>The verbena definitely deserve the hate
Can I get a QRD on why that is?

>>96106535
Anon, if they didn't make ways for the unawakened to do it, then the cures wouldn't work after they left the lab. There's like 200 progenitors on cancer resourch at most right now, they don't have the numbers to produce a cure for all 8 billion.
Therefore, they have to distill the cure down to a level Anyone can use,which makes the miracle drugs less effective.

>>96106526
This sounds like techno-rat cope to justify an engineered society led by the very same type of elitist authoritarians they claim to have fought back when they were the OoR.
If they were fighting for something akin to Mass Ascension or the Etherite sci-fantasy paradise I'd be more swayed.

>>96106540
That its obvious what they're doing doesn't mean the evidence hasn't already been destroyed

>>96106558
It's almost like it was a very bad idea to hijack the consensus in favor of their narrow paradigm!

>>96106495
To be fair, a lot of methods are applicable to multiple forms of cancer. That, and if people could afford to go through bimonthly exams, a lot of cases would be curable with modern tech.
The out-of-character problem is that the Technocracy isn't "allowed" to unfuck reality on a large scale because that would make the setting no longer urban fantasy.

>>96106246
Good guys, bad guys... Who the fuck cares.
Can I play as T1000, Matrix agent, OG Doomguy or, heck, just a smug, sharply dressed scientist or MIB? Can I blow Satan's brain out with a pistol? Can I make it rain tac nukes and call down orbital lasers against wannabe gods? Can I put chems that make werewolves gay in the water? Can I command a space battleship? Can I perform some recreational police brutality towards potterfags? Can I drive stock gamblers to suicide? Can I go out with a bang?

Yeah? I'm in.

>>96106556
>Because they still sacrifice people to do their magic despite swearing to the other traditions that they "totally" stopped doing that.
>Because they're not a real tradition, they're a collective of legit devil-worshipping witches from the medieval that hung onto the hermetic coat-tails into tradition status and made a cover-up story about matriarchal druidic practices(which didn't ever exist)
>Because they're mostly made of new-age hyper-feminists inducted via the wicca movement(and are one step above the black furies in their retardation).
They deserve the hate.

>>96106596
The only based techno-rat itt.
Although you're probably just a few steps away from just becoming an Etherite which is why you're kind of okay.

>>96106596
>Matrix agent
This is literally what the Virtual Adepts are for

>>96106574
>If they were fighting for something akin to Mass Ascension
Anon, that's literally the exact thing they're fighting for. The entire point of technocratic magic is to bring sleepers to the level that they're equal to any awakened mage and can never be subjugated ever again.
Tell me, what is literally the first thing that will happen the moment Any tradition is in power?

>>96106605
t. didn't read a single Verbena book

>>96106590
The paradigm of what non-magick people can do has always been limited anon. How many un-awakened medieval peasants were out there curing the black plague?
The fact everything isn't magically perfect forever does not mean everything did not get significantly better.

>>96106627
That's a nice ideal. Just a heads up, Control didn't like your post.
Please report to Room 101.

>>96106590
Anon, if you were slowly dying of cancer, would you rather die in 12 months or take a semi-effective treatment that increase your lifespan and health significantly, but still be worse than perfect? The technocracy are that imperfect cure. There is no faction out there with a perfect cure.

>>96106627
>The entire point of technocratic magic is to bring sleepers to the level that they're equal to any awakened mage and can never be subjugated ever again.
Instead, they will be subjugated by the Technocratic Union. Got it.

>>96106676
Citizens don't go to room 101 dumbass.

Etherites are the only Mages whose end game is good. Sci-fi utopia, where everyone can invent anything they want. Verbena/Dreamspeakers are banished to the Deep Umbra with all the other savages. Technocrats are seething chuds who can't do shit and can't stop mad Science.

>>96106683
>More traditions propaganda
Because the former wizard-kings Never did that, ever. They're totally innocent and absolutely not murdering people for personal enlightenment.

>>96106464
That's not what the writers think, they always say shit like how Technocracy is bad because it brings equality to the masses and empowers the "lowest common denominator", these are terms they use even in M20.

>>96106682
>There is no faction out there with a perfect cure.
Pretty sure that's just Life 3 or maybe 4.
Whether it's a Crone's sage, lizard tail and bat wing potion, a Dr. Wondercure's "Amazing All Healing Pill (with superpowers as a potential side effect)" or a silver amulet with Paracelsus' medical sigils, it works.

>>96106699
Because czar vargo never ever happened. IF he did, he never used the words "benevolent rule" when speaking to all world governments at the same time.

I'm not reading all this voodoo hoodoo wicca paganism demon-worship alchemy babble, too busy fighting Threat Null

t. Void Engineer

>>96106699
Etherites failed STEM and compensate for it by taping dildoes to toasters and calling it !!SCIENCE!!

>>96106707
>Your side did it in the past so it's okay when we do it now, chud!
I thought you techno-rats liked living in the present?

>>96106726
>Immediately deflects
So are you going to acknowledge that this was an analogy at any point or are you going to keep deflecting?

>>96106748
You act like history isn't a major scientific field. Entire constructs are dedicated to history anon, if only to find out wtf is even going on in this circus of a setting.

>>96106526
Only because I was born in America. A society built on cheap foreign child labor. I could have been born in China, or Mongolia, or India, or England, or Chad, or South Africa, or Zimbabwe, or a hundred other shitty places like the Balkans where my options would be to “live like a medieval serf or die of alcoholism.” I am the top 20%. I simply acknowledge how shitty life is for your average person and in the WoD you can double that suffering and give it to the next person.

>>96106714
It's fucking wild that the writers themselves end up proving the technocrats right by hating on them so hard.

>>96106749
I'm going to keep pointing out that any Awakened/Enlightened with Life 3/4 can cure cancer, but the Technocratic Union is the only faction that could do it en masse with little fear of Paradox and yet refuses to do so.

>>96106780
>A society built on cheap foreign child labor.
Anon, america was built on local and fair labor. Foreign labor is literally killing the country because it only gives money to the rich rather than stimulating the wider economy. Dumbass rich vampires keep forgetting that peasants with no money = no one to buy products = failed business = economic downturn and no more rich people money.

>>96106743
Don't Void Engineers often have to enlist traditionalists to help them fight Threat Null?

>>96106803
>I'm going to keep ignoring your point because I have no counter
I accept your concession. I love winning so easily.

Guys guys
hear me out
what if
what if
the technomancer faction that ended up winning and forcing their paradigm onto the world is House Thig?

>>96106812
>Anon, america was built on local and fair labor.
So what song should we play on the montage of slavery, civil conflict, self-sabotage and other abuses?

>>96106780
>Thinks the options of people living in China, Mongolia, India, England, South Africa, and the Balkans are live like a medieval serf or die of alchoholism
You have no idea how anything outside your country works, but that's beside the point. The standard of living in all those places is higher now than it ever was 200, 400, or 800 years ago, and it wouldn't be nearly as high if the Traditions had their way. Also China has a higher standard of living than the USA

>>96106626
If only! You'd think that Virtadepts be more like Morpheus, err, Dante, but they're unwashed basement dwellers that do nothing but shitting themselves, petty remote vandalism and screeching about the Technocracy on the internet.

>>96106780
Lots of those countries have gotten a lot better exactly because of authocratic technocrats (in the real life sense of the term), while in America evangelical hicks are re-legalizing child labor and child marriage.

>>96106787
The writers are perpetually the most gotten to and assblasted group involved in WoD

>>96106842
>>96106880
>>96106812
What part of
>double it and give it to the next person in the world of darkness
are you missing in my satirical post that put England and Chad in the same bracket of shittiness?

>>96106849
Adepts are the people who play second life and other games where they aren't constrained by IRL bullshit Bbecause they already have resources 5 due to Cryptoscams).

>>96106928
>even successful adepts are boring losers

>>96106981
What else did you expect given their premise?

>>96106908
>are you missing in my satirical post that put England and Chad in the same bracket of shittiness?
I don't see the joke. That's just the truth.

>Mage lore discussion
>Turns into two retards discussing politics

Is it inevitable?

>>96107104
>Is it inevitable?
Yes.

>>96106880
>Lots of those countries
At least 5 of 7 mentioned are currently falling apart because of retarded technocrats anon. People in england, france, germany, and europe in general are getting arrested for wrong-think on the internet while one door down a woman is getting gang-raped by invaders that'll face no consequences

>>96107104
>>96107107
That's the point of the game.

>>96106842
>Also China
>*crushed by falling bridge*
>has a
>*bisected by elevator*
>higher
>*mulched by escalator*
>standard of
>*spaghettified by lathe*
>living than
>*sent into the stratosphere by exploding manhole*
>the USA
>*spontaneously combusted for no reason out of nofuckingwhere*

>>96107104
WoD is about irl politics anon. It's literally a parody setting for irl political ideas/events.

>>96107104
>Is it inevitable?
This is why instead we should only discuss CtD and CtL instead

>>96107120
One of these days I'm going to send the group to China and less than the mages being a problem it'll just be the local machinery trying to eat them in various ways
>Lifts: Sparks fly as it tries to cook you alive, nice and baked
>Escalators: Crushed within metal teeth
>Freezers: The door closes on your hands as it wants a nice warm snack for a change
>Bridges are just single-use tenderisers
>Cars burst into flames for that nice engine grill char
>Try out a sensory deprivation chamber, it traps you inside and starts to sous-vide you
>Factories? Forget it. Like a revolving buffet of metal chopsticks and lovingly high-vis packaged people all for them

It's like the haunted mansion that lures people inside with a modern twist.

>>96107120
Do you think those acidents are because they are sloppy or because they are main manufacturer in the world?

>>96107220
Why not both?

>>96107120
>>96107204
What if those machines failing spectacularly is just paradox backlash caused by the collective weight of 1.3 billion people and a 5000 year history of alchemy and superstition?

>>96107185
>This is why instead we should only discuss CtD and CtL instead
What is there to even talk about? CtD is by all metrics a less shit vestion of Beast but, for the most part, doesn't really give a reason to give a shit about the fae.
Lost has a overpower PC problem but otherwise it does have enough to keep the ball rolling.

>>96107250
Nah, that's just mismanagement and a lot of corner-cutting because human life is cheap.

>>96107250
Why would it be a backlash? Sounds perfectly consensual to me.
>Videos of chinese infrastructure failing go viral, both in China and the world
>People in WoD watch that and go "I guess Chinese stuff just eats people I guess"
>Consensus reinforces that point.

>>96106432
Verbena also genocided their fellow humans alongside Werewolves.
As for your question, a Mage curing cancer is easy.
A cure that is acceptable to the Masses is harder since they are god damn stubborn.

>>96106485
It's also the part of finance war between New World Order and the Syndicate.
New World Order is all in on Universal Healthcare while the Syndicate is for the private healthcare.

>>96102192
the Hermetics would immediately turn on the others and become the technocracy 2.0 but this time it's magical

>>96105866
The one used by Mumm-ra

>>96102357
all pagan gods are Earthbound

>>96107487
or fae or mummies or vampires or mages

>>96107261
Lost is great and as someone with strong opinions on preferring 1e, I don't begrudge anyone who likes 2e. I wish the edition divide didn't dominate Lost discussion , the problem it (in terms of discussion) has is the same thing as many nWoD games. The setting isn't as strictly defined, which means unless someone is discussing an actual game, there's less to go on. Unless we really want to discuss Ybalashi or the that dragon true fae (I ain't trying to spell his name) again. Most nogame talk gravitates around oWoD because their are more setting fixtures and canon events to draw from.

contrary to the rumors i do not in fact exist! so i would appreciate if you would all try to stop or harm me as it makes you all look very silly indeed

>>96106246
I'm pissed they enabled the faggots to have a wheelchair bound fucking mage work in the Technocracy. I hate reddit.

Also cause Reddit loves 'state approved science' and hates anything else, Read the uh.. 20th mage book thats the Union shit. Its all retard speak

>>96107487
>Mithras has entered the chat
>The One from certain Choristers’ views has entered the chat
>Every Euthanatoi has entered the chat and currently pinpointing your location

>>96105469
fuck it man just go balls too the walls and play mage

>>96106418
His island is a Syndicate construct.

>>96107487
>>96107518
>>96107553
>the actual gods come down from the umbra to enter the chat

>>96107104
Its suffering being a technocrat fan and watching it every time.

>Wraith going around possessing people to commit arson
>A Wraith tearing down a false Valhalla Far Shore while Led Zeppelin’s Immigrant Song plays in the background
>The entire existence of Doom Slayers
You guys said WtO was bleak?

>>96105469
I know this has mostly been answered but Hunter: the Vigil is hands down the most noob friendly WoD game, and I'll give in depth reasoning.
>As you are playing mortals, it's more familiar to your typical RPG player, who is used to playing exceptional "mundane" races fighting supernatural beings.
>As Hunters know the absolute least about anything, players do not need to learn any lore to roll up a character.
>Vigil has a monster creation system, meaning you only need to go into other books if you want to.
>Vigil has options for every flavor of monster hunter. You can be three random dickheads who just found out monsters are real, mundane members of larger groups, or any flavor of mystical weirdo with genuine powers to fight fire with fire. Or you can be government agents with hypertech. Though not recommended, you can even mix these tiers. In my experience it's actually not a problem until you get into the high exp point, otherwise skills and merits can compete with endowments.
>Vigil is setting agnostic even by nWoD standards, you can easily incorporate things from oWoD if you want, many do so.
>Most of the 1e supplemental books for Vigil are backwards compatible with 2e

The only real complaints people have with the Chronicles of Darkness core rules is athletics to defense making melee combat easy to break, as well as conditions and tilts being annoying to pull up on the fly they were designed to be printed out as cards, but nowadays most games are online and it's still annoying to make sure you have all the conditions/tilts that might come up in play ready to go and certain merits being overpowered. Granted that last one is pretty universal and all of these have easy fixes.

>almost all problems in the Technocracy boils down to the Syndicate
>almost all problems in society is being caused by the Syndicate
>the Syndicate founded Pentex, thus fucking up the spirit world at record speeds
the NWO is unironically correct that the Technocracy needs TOTAL SYNDICATE DEATH, half of those greedy scumbags are probably Nephandi anyways.

>>96107104
It annoys me too but Mage is basically a game about your Beliefs and that makes it prone to political beliefs as well.
>>96107487
Nah, some are actual Gods and some are Vampires
Some are both even, there is God Odin and there is Vampire Odin.
But just like Apophis and the Wyrm, people tend to think them as one even though they are not the same beings.

>>96106495
>one magic bullet cure for all cancer
Scale humans to whale mass. Then every organ system has so much redundancy they can thug out cancer until the cancer mutates and dies.

>>96107527
I have notes on old lost games but I don't really know how to make an interesting conversation out them.

>>96107735
Tell me about the motley. I might be playing in a Lost game in the nebulous future, I wanna hear how someone else's motley came together because right now we're in the concept phase.

>>96107548
>wheelchair bound fucking mage
Fucking how lol? The only Convention that wouldn't forcibly fix him if he wanted to stay crippled is Syndicate, and even there they'd have few strongly worded messages from progs and iterators every other shift.

>>96107779
Sure, give me moment, I just need to take a look. Would you like to hear about the guy who shot a kid, the mooncaine seller or the guy who baked explosives first?

>>96107984
Guy who shot a kid. My group doesn't do unhinged stuff like that too often, so I'm always interested by that kind of story.

>>96108058
Ok, so this guy was an old geezer from the winter court. One night our motley ended up at a super market/mall for pipe bomb supplies and while the other two stooges went to burn down a KFC our Old Fart decided to harras one of the employees.
The 16 year old proceeds to get tripped with a cane and bathed in the prune juice he was stacking the shelves as the old Changeling starts a usual old man tirade. The red-headed boy takes and little is left of his dignity and quits, grabbing his skateboard and flipping off the old man as he passes by on the way out.
The old man because of a minor frailty to "rebellious youths" would lose a point of willpower if the kid actually passed in front of him, so instead of suffering the minor consequences for his actions he decides to use the shotgun hidden in his cane making a bigger problem for later by rolling 5 success to shot the guy.
The only reason that he managed to escape was because the police car hit the firetruck putting out the KFC fire.

>>96106418
Another ashtray, ultimately.

>>96107366
>Quoting original Fianna tribebook

You're really not sending your best here, anon.

>>96107837
Amalgam forgot to budget in the Quint to ward off the Paradox of using the effect. Perpetually. Probably to dangle it over the individual's head and control them. This is the Technocracy that we're talking about here.

Ventrue=girl boss
Lasombra=sigma male grindset

>>96107837
Because its the fucking "persons choice" The latest M20 book with all the Technocratic gadgets and other shit was written by retards. Well more so then normal.

>>96108608
>>Quoting original Fianna tribebook
>You're really not sending your best here, anon.
Do you want me to quote Horizon the Stronghold of Hope where you will be eaten by dragons, drown in storms and "To the mages of the Council, people are just a link in a larger chain.", "human survival is not the ultimate measure of Horizon's worth"

Oh wait, another anon already did it! >>96103028

Traditions have a literal planet where they can show their way of living and it's basically medieval kitchen sink fantasy with a tiny population.

>>96106418
Venture Ghoul

>>96108650
I don't care about the Mage material. I'm just saying that the old Fianna tribebook is so full of cringe that the Revised edition one threw it under the bus. Without hesitation, and without mercy, for it deserved none.

Did anyone ever actually find Samuel Haight cool? It seems unbelievable that anyone would have unironically found him cool, and yet I have someone claiming that he did have real fans in the 90s

>>96108769
>Samuel Haight
I don't even know who the hell that is, but everyone keeps bringing him up; so I guess I'll have to look him up.

>>96108769
>Did anyone ever actually find Samuel Haight cool
Yes, he was a good antagonist in Frankfurt Foundation and it took a while for the crossover bullshit to go overboard.

>>96108802
Update: I looked him up, and got as far as the intro paragraph before I decided he's the single most shit thing that ever came out of WoD.

What was so wrong with the original Fianna book?

>>96108769
>>96108802
>>96108803
>>96108811

>>96108533
Damn that's unhinged. What was his clarity?

>>96108858
Kek

>>96108820
It was twee silly new age fae mixed in with bloody Protestant vs. Catholic fighting brought over to the werewolves. Generous quantities of drinking stereotypes mixed in to flavor.

>>96108873
He had like 4 clarity boxes but this didn't affected him in slighted.

>>96107104
In a few more hours, they'll both reveal themselves to be schizos

>>96107727
Do vampires get anything from worship?

Is god-Odin celestine-tier or a little bit lower?

>>96109190
Can you use true faith to buff other people?

I don’t know if anyone remembers, but I came up with a character a while back. It was a Fianna werewolf who’s also a fairy knight, joining her kind to fight fomori, in order to get stronger to stand up to fomorian.

Well the good news is that I found a game to play her! Only thing that I had to change was the scabbard of Excalibur, the fae treasure. ST had it changed from a 3 dots treasure to a five dots fetish. It only heals instead of healing and preventing damage, and cannot heal any damage caused by silver.

Our game starts this Sunday. Our characters are going through their rite of passage. Mine has just rejoined the garou nation not long after exiting the dreaming. She has been hanging out with the fairies ever since her first change, and has been lost to the world for something between months and years.

>>96109371
Good luck anon.

>>96109387
Thanks anon!

>>96109371
Sounds fun; I hope you have a great time.

>>96109426
I hope so too! This game is supposed to be an alternative for when our vtm ST isn’t able to play that week. I was really eager to play WTA, and also play a game with more action.

>>96109243
it would go some ways to explain the obscenely powerful methuselahs and why they like to cultivate worshippers

>>96108873
Oh Yeah that was the first time he killed the kid, he came back as a werewolf.

>>96109777
How the hell did that happen?

Had a dream yesterday night that I was part of a garou group and we captured a pentex guy for info. We decided to quad amputate him for convenience, but between two interrogations the pentex guy screamed a prayer to the wyrm. Limbs made of neon bright green radioactive fire sprouted from his stumps and he turned into some kind of fiery black spiral dancer. I woke up when our group concluded that we’ll never try to squeeze for info anyone from pentex ever again. Kill them all immediately, figure out the rest later.

>>96107464
This reads like M20 "my politics are canon to the game" babble. Kinda like the Book of the Fallen.

>>96107618
See that's the same question I had a few threads ago. It's supposed to be bleak, but it's also super wacky Tim Burton gothic-fun (as opposed to gothic-punk) while also being super heavy metal FIGHT THE SYSTEM with ghost chainsaws and swords.
It's the most schizo splat I've read so far and I'm loving it, but planning an actual chronicle feels like a titanic task.

>>96107708
They're also the ones keeping the Union alive and funded.
The Syndicate are, unironically, the most important pillar of the Technocracy.

>>96108769
I still think he's super cool... as a villain.
But then again, my dream is to one day run Midnight Circus with 15+ players so don't count me as a reasonable person.

>>96109928
>We decided to quad amputate him for convenience
Ah

>>96110104
See normally I shit on Garou for being retarded but they may have been in the right here.

>>96109861
>How the hell did that happen?
The spirits thought it would be funny for the old man's actions to literally bite him in the ass so they tiped the scales with some temporary health, allowing the paramedics to save him. He got sent into a coma for a while before he had his first change so we even got to see he was in the hospital through the news.

Sadly, none of the KFC employees were blessed that way. A part of me wanted to fight a werechicken. Anyway, the old man had to fight him again to prove that the motley were good enough combatants to be allies to a werewolf pack. Our little grocery clerk died, again, because the old man pulled out the termite Molotovs we made.

The funny part is that is that another member of the Motley revived him again, because Asclepians are busted, before setting him with a woman we kidnapped and employed as a maid after burning down her house in search for clues related to the main plot. Pic related was roughly what he looked like with his third chance and why he got the nickname of Crispy.

>>96101481 (OP)
Drawfag here, I sketched out a Tzimisce!

>>96110237
Good pic
What does his little midget friend do

>>96110243
Dances a mean Charleston.

>>96110237
Pretty neat. Did you have any specific character in mind?

>>96110245
As ALL midgets should be forced to do.

>>96110245
Hell yeah.

>>96110243
He's like a very, very small szlatcha, but still (mostly) in possession of his faculties. He's like a little ghoul imp, that scurrys about doing duties for him. In the long-gone days of his mortal life, this szlatcha was actually a midget in the employ of the circus that both of them were employed by. Through many, many long nights of vicissitude, this radically transformed dwarf has survived a preposterous amount of time, down through the ages.
>>96110248
Yes, actually! Like I intimated before, he was, a very long time ago a circus performer, and a downtrod freak that still retained a vicious spark of dark creativity. It was this that drew the attention of a powerful fiend, and he was Embraced. His infirmities melting away, he and his sire devoured not just the circus and its performers but also the audience in a night of unbelievable carnage. He left his humanity in the big top.
In Modern Nights, he is something of a minor sage of the flesh craft, and leads a small group of fiends who seek out the Bogatyri, among other esoteric searches for further secrets of the flesh and undeath.

>>96110294
Cool! do you think he still makes his creations perform or would that be too close to his former humanity?

>>96110403
Good question! I hadn't imagined him running anything like a circus, not just because of his mortal life being left long behind him, but also because he long hated his life as a performing freak (his left arm will forever be elongated, as that was part of his deformity, along with the many other physical ailments that were "cured" by the Embrace).
Now being long-freed from all that, he pursues the hideously intellectual pursuits, aforementioned, of a truly refined and well-wrought fiend.
The sole remnant of his life in the circus is his little ghoul "friend", prized above any of his other possessions, szlatcha, or other fleshcraft projects.

>>96110099
>Midnight Circus
Based
>with 15+ players
Genuinely impossible.

>>96110463
Not impossible as long as they're not 15+ people at the table at all times.

>>96108769
He was great until rage across the amazon turned him into an immortal author-insert and impossible multi-splat.

>>96110423
Seems like a good character, mind if I use him in a game?

>>96110470
Not that anon, But no. You MUST have them there all at the same time.

>>96110514
Well, I can't stop you! But it's not like I own a character I just made up tonight, so you can do as you like really! Though you may want to wait until the art is finished, if you want to show something really impressive. I can give you some more info and pointers for his character, if you feel you need to know them!

>>96110514
Though I should add, if you want, you can just use it as generic Tzimisce art! I really made up the character after the fact to justify some of my design choices anyways.

I also have these warmup sketches I did for fun

>>96110551
That last one at the bottom looks like his trying to get money out of somebody that owes him it.

>>96110237
>>96110551
Your Tzimisce are so Cenobite, it rules

>>96110571
Hellraiser IS definitely one of my favorite series, and I loved the original novella too! And some of hte older art for the Tzimisce and vicissitude really inspires me.
I strongly feel that Tzimisce look progressively more and more nightmarish, the longer they live, as they constantly mold themselves and craft themselves over and over. As well as all of them developing a sort of "surgical addiction", and the added "benefit" of living in an echo chamber where all they have is their ghouls, revenants, and slavish fleshcrafted servants to tell them how beautiful they are.
After all, they ARE literally following in the footsteps of the Eldest, and we know how THAT thing is.

>>96110537
>>96110526
Thanks

>>96110602
>Hellraiser IS definitely one of my favorite series, and I loved the original novella too!
You have patrician taste, as is obvious from your art. That aside, I definitely agree that the older and more powerful Tzimisce get, the more they make themselves look like Cronenbergian horrors

>>96110627
I see it like this: firstly, Tzimisce go off the deep end, forsaking their humanity and becoming alien mentally before it shows physically. And then secondly, you know clay starts to get weird if you mold it too many times? It's like that. Their bodies start to pile up the "residues" of past instances of self-vissication, and things don't form "right". Not like they care, because their sense of "rightness" went out the window when they started molding mouths out of their stomach and so on.
So that's kind of my personal logic for why the older they get, the more terrible they become to behold.

For me, it's the flanged mace.

>>96110470
Can you really call that one game though?

>>96110602
>After all, they ARE literally following in the footsteps of the Eldest
I find it amusing how, despite being a clan that attempted to overthrow their Antediluvian, how much they're all made in his image. They rejected the being, but they wholly embraced its philosophy.

>>96110858
I guess it'd be a long term chronicle.
It could probably work better with two or three STs in a Discord server.

>>96110874
I think that the pull of vicissitude is too strong for them NOT to, and of course, the chasing of the high from that one night all those millennia ago in the black hills of the Carpathians.

Speaking of Tzims...
What would it take for one to be accepted enough by the Old Clan to be instructed in the ways of Koldunic Sorcery?
What would it take for a Tremere to betray his ilk and teach a Tzimisce Blood Magic?
Can any of those things be learned without a teacher?

>>96111053
Define "old clan". Do you mean the actual no vic bloodline or the fancy way of saying "non-sabbat tzimisce"? Because neither has absolute domain over Koldunic Sorcery, you can be a vicfag and be a koldun.

Tremere Antitribu will teach thaumaturgy to their fellows in the Sabbat, the Blood Brothers were the result of the Tremere Anti and the Tzimisce working together.

Technically you can be a self taught blood sorcerer, though official examples are rare.

>>96110925
I think they're all a bunch of good lads, even if they don't realize it.

>>96109190
easy access to blood
ego boost

>>96111079
Most of the most powerful kolduns are also Vicissitude users anyways. Hell, Dracon was/is one of the most powerful Vicissitude users up there with Yorak

>>96111053
>What would it take for one to be accepted enough by the Old Clan to be instructed in the ways of Koldunic Sorcery?
Old Clan would never suffer a Vicissitude user. Koldunism exists in the Vicissitude user's hands, albeit vanishingly rare.
>What would it take for a Tremere to betray his ilk and teach a Tzimisce Blood Magic?
AntiTremere and Sabbat's Tzimisce were thick as thieves over the whole "our elders are assholes, let's kill them all" and "monstrosities are fun, fun, fun" initially. Insomuch as two evil nutjobs can be thick, backstabbing for shits and giggles and all. Vozhd was the fruit of their collaborative labour, and so were Blood Brothers. So they would happily exchange Thaumaturgy and Vicissitude pointers.
>Can any of those things be learned without a teacher?
Sack a chantry, read the books.
Koldunic sorcery needs the connection to land and Old Ways, though. No issue with letting you start with it if you're a Slav of specific pagan mindset, but developing it would be onerous and require pacts with the land's spirits and great sacrifices.

>>96111137
They like to think they have their own thing and it distinguishes them from being just more medium for the Eldest to play with. They might let a young Tzi into their club for acting impressed and making them feel secure.

>>96106078
I figure it's the same for Threat: NULL.
The Castes that represent the Scientific and Dogmatic schools of thought within "Enlightened Science" (Read: the Dynamic and Entropic Spheres) are the ones that are getting into fights with the VE's, the Technical (Static) Caste is just hanging out in Autocthonia.

>>96110135
The dream still ended with garous going back to their initial mindset tho… out of curiosity, is sprouting atomic flaming limbs/turning into a balefire garou something that can happen in game? I’m curious if my brain unconsciously picked it up while going through the books

>>96111996
Several elemental enhancement and transformation gifts exist, but as a rule Eji (werefox warrior path) are more known for those.

Transformation to radioactive substances and balefire is near-universally considered to be the sign of Wyrm-taint.

>>96109190
>Is god-Odin celestine-tier or a little bit lower?
acording to mage he is a "godhead" on the same level as zeus and jesus which is above a celestine, but m20 also puts helios in the same category so by wta standard he'll probably be really high celestine tier?

>>96112040
He was a high executive at pentex, I’d raise an eyebrow if he was completely free of any wyrm influence and corruption before turning nuclear

>>96112062
Ah, then it's entirely appropriate.

Mind you, you don't need to be tainted to use Kiss of Helios to become an avatar of the Sun's burning hatred.

>>96111996
>>96112040
>>96112062
>>96112077
https://www.wyrmfoe.com/2799/cloak-of-anthelios/
This is the closest that you can get, though it's not strictly balefire, just the twisted energies of the sun.

>>96106013
It's weird that it's so good at it.

Showing my age, I guess, but that practice of announcing future announcements will never not be weird to me, even if I get the economical impetus behind. Still:
https://www.gameinformer.com/2025/07/16/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-is-game-informers-next-cover-story
>the next Game Informer cover story will showcase Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2.
>next issue will launch digitally on July 22
Hopefully, this kickstarts the pre-release marketing campaign. Getting tired of waiting.

>>96107204
Mages making bank selling fox piss soaked blankets to cure bad luck and hair loss
Werewolf getting classified as wyrm tainted after eating one cardboard steam bun
All Mummys were eaten after the 760th famine
Changlings can't even breathe the air without being reduced to nothing
Vampires thrive in the smog
Demons & Pentex have spy's in all parts of the Chinese communist party to take notes to more effectively destroy earth
Wraiths possession are usually found out if the person gave you a fair deal

>>96113465
Magazines tell you what the next issues cover all the time. Like, since magazines were invented.

>>96113478
Expectation:
>Vampires thrive in the smog
Reality:
>Vampires starve because every chink's blood is tainted with mercury, asbestos and sewage

>>96113545
>Vampires starve because every chink's blood is tainted with mercury, asbestos and sewage
five dragons stronk
scorpion dharma reigns supreme

>>96113493
Yeah, but what made a modicum of sense in a context of limited - generally monthly - communication outup feels an out of place relic in one defined by a constant barrage of information.
At the very least, it changes meaning.
Not that it matters much, I guess.

>>96113616
But it's a magazine doing the thing a magazine has to do?

>>96113478
>All Mummys were eaten after the 760th famine
Kek

Reminder that, according to Inanimae: The Secret Way, Mannikins are one of the most populous supernaturals. In fact, the book gives several thousand in America and ten times that as a conservative estimate, that would mean the total population of Mannikins could potentially rival that of Vampires according to older editions' 1:100k rule. In other words you need to start putting more rag dollies in your World of Darkness games.

>you need to drink this concoction made of bat piss and ant vomit to cure your erectile dysfunction
>you must live in the mud and suffer with no chance of improving your life because you don't have the right bloodline
>showers shouldn't be part of the consensus
>impergium was actually le good
why are the Verbena like this?

>>96113826
Inanimae in general are underused, but I still can't get over the Paroseme's curse.
It doesn't fit elementals at all, and elemental of air the least, it can work with like four out of hundred character concepts, and it makes every other person present at the table hate you for something you're forced to do.

For those wondering, the curse is that they can't shut up. Ever. And when forcibly silenced they're obligated to make people miserable in some other way.

>>96113856
They want to hold a monopoly over magic.

The idea of a witch living in the woods that the villagers suck up to for help once in a while is their dream State. They're not even sorcerer-kings cause that would imply they need to do work, they're people woth power that need to be begged to help

>vampires fly into a mindless panic at the sight of fire
>vampires are grievously injured by fire, even worse than living beings
>China is a country where every single object, no matter how seemingly innocuous, can burst into flame or explode without any warning
Holy shit, I cracked the code. They're doing it on purpose to prevent vampire infestations.

>>96113856
They are extremely selective on what they keep
Turns out people get upset when you try to keep the traditional baby eating rite of Saturn
Or the Hindu dance of death where you dance on stolen child bones

>>96113883
Inanimae birthrights seem pretty uninspired and poorly thought out in general, Solimonds in particular seem at odds with their history and characterisation. Same deal with their Slivers, which barely interact with the Realms system apart while still requiring them as an exp tax.

>>96113928
The blood quality is also so low a Cyst wouldn't even drink from them

>>96113826
Just a reminder, you can replicate the entire plot of Yu-Gi-Oh in WoD with ancient egyptian sorcerers enslaving inanimae in stone tablets and a modern sorcerer rediscovering the process, but using cards instead.

>>96113928
>The quinox, who are absolutely in league with the current government, have these same issues with fire
They're still retarded anon.

>>96103024
That's pretty much all the Hsien do. Well, they grant prayers but it's the same difference. Those are the Asian Changelings.

>>96113995
And an Amenti possessing a young boy lacking confidence, while the mummy soul lacks empathy. Not quite a soul fusion like in actual mummy, but still easily reflavored.

>>96113995
Not just yugioh, you can also fit beyblade, bakugan, hell even transformers, into the WoD universe without any homebrew. Inanimae are amazingly flexible.
It's a shame none of the books ever use them. Weird how common that is with WoDs best ideas.

>>96114020
Would that mean Marik and Bakura are possessed by bane mummies?

>>96114028
>Weird how common that is with WoDs best ideas.
Almost like there's an issue with the writers focusing on making self-inserts rather than expanding the worldbuilding...

>>96113947
Yeah, but Paroseme is the only one that makes games unplayable if played out at all.

Even if your teller is a purist, implore upon him that "unable to stay quiet" needs to be replaced with "unable to stay still", which is as close as it gets and equally inconvenient for the player, but much less unbearable for everyone else involved.

>>96114041
If I recall, marik was just genuinely deeply disturbed. But yeah, Bakura was totally possessed by a Bane Mummy.

>>96113928
>vampires fly into a mindless panic at the sight of fire

>>96113995
>Losing a shadow game means having your soul sent to the shadow realm/put into a coma depending on version
>Taking too much Wyrd damage means going comatose and some effects can toss your soul into the deep dreaming.
It fits far too well.

>>96113995
>Inanimae
You mean Lycians anon? Inanimae are stuck with human husks. Lycians are the "I manifest a fucking dragon from a children's playing card" fairies.

>>96114066
At the very least, the book doesn't give any mechanics to enforce their frailty so you have some leeway with how literally you define never shutting up and it never forces you to reveal secrets or anything like that, ideally I think it should work like the Pooka frailty with the option of a willpower check to turn it off for a scene. Also, I'm curious, what about it makes you think it doesn't fit Parosemes? They're spirits of sound and music as much as the air.

>>96113995
>Awakened mage (Marauder?) Kaiba
>Blue eyes is his fucking avatar

>>96113826
I'll let my ST know, he loves animate toys.

>>96113995
A lot of shows can very easily be retooled into wod. My favorite for this would be totally spies. The story of NWO amalgam fighting reality devianc- er... saving the world. The girls possess a ''spy gene'' that makes them spies above all the rest (avatar). Most of the villains are either etherites, rogue technocrats, normies who've gotten their hands on technocratic equipment, sometimes adepts or traditonalists and in one specific case the Black Furies.

My idea for a Chronicles of Darkness Dragons splat

Dragon: The Legend

>Somehow, YOU are a Dragon
>Either its because you have dragon blood in you, are the reincarnation of a dragon, or you stumbled across a Dragon Heart and that turned you into one - whichever
>Now you have a flame inside you that's finally sparked and before you, you have two choices: Smother the flame and return to mundanity, or grow the power and become a True Dragon

>How do you grow the fire?
>By proving you are a Dragon
>By becoming a Legend
>Gain wealth beyond measure, rule like a tyrant, slay monsters with your power, become a keeper of knowledge and wisdom. BE what dragons are always : Greatness
>Whether you're a feathered Dragon of Meso-america, Su-Lung Dragons of the Orient, or the most classical of European, you have to bring Awe, you have to reign on top
>Not just a Monter to be fear, an idol is be worshipped
>A Legend to be REMEMBERED

Am I somewhere with this idea or is it too basic. I've post the idea of Dragon: The Tale for WoD here before but that didn't seem catch any eyes. Is this something?

>>96114380
I do recall you.
Sales pitch does sound cooler this time around, from what I recall. A focus on becoming something grand and exceptional sounds interesting to me. Trying to become such a being without losing touch with your own humanity also sounds appropriate for WoD. Maybe have a mechanic about needing to burn backgrounds as you gain power or have to go through hoops to keep them? Can't exactly manage your own resources if you're too busy grinding to achieve your ambitions, after all.
One Idea I'd toyed with for my own dragon-splat imaginings would be to gradually go from 'human with a limited ability to turn parts of themselves draconic' to 'dragon who has a harder and harder time turning human again as they gain power', could be something to consider.

>>96114201
Paroseme are forced to talk constantly, and to make insufferable noise in other ways when their mouth is sewn shut.
Being obligated to tell lies, with you being able to chose how to lie and when to talk at all, when everyone knows you're a lying git is nothing in comparison, and you're allowed to resist the compulsion, not obligated to try and carry it out anyway. Pooka's trickery in general is in player's hands.

And don't start with this fitting nonsense. Water, trees, fire are often described in various "speaking" synonyms, marionettes are made to imitate people, but wind is aloof and free. A fraction of krofted Paroseme might be enamoured with songs and music, a larger share might be inclined to howl and gossip, but to impose that specific game-killing frailty on every wind elemental is abominable.

>>96114380
I’ve read a bit of the Dragon Fan-splats, but they usually encourage you to “play tall”, you intimidate your underlings (employees), grow your hoard (micro-manage your family) and bask in your power (sit on the kost comfortable chair in your barred up house living in perpetual panic over a fellow dragon coming in to eat you for more power or another aspirant seeking your heart from Dragonhood).
*it feels like I’m playing a Dragon*, but it doesn’t feel like I could ever stop and enjoy the fact that I am a dragon, nor does it feel like my character would go out to bully other supernaturals with their draconic might, since paranoia is part of being a Dragon.
And even if you survive and grow in power till you can finally turn into a fully grown unrestrained dragon… you still don’t really feel like a supernatural apex predator.

>>96114253
Kaib is one of the few examples of a respectable Syndicate mage. He's a tech billionaire hyper-genius that's so fucking determined he pieced his soul back together with raw willpower after getting ass-blasted by exodia.

>>96114457
The actually part of my premise too.

Going to all in in your Dragon life becomes, from the outside looking in, an obession that becomes an addiction. If you're not careful you start losing your humanity and start become more Dragon than human.
So much power is running through you that it overloads your senses and mind. One day you can binge your Dragon power, fully transforming, and finding that you can't turn back. You've gone Full Scale.

You kinda have to balance how much you're using your power. Burn what you've built up on useless things to keep a good internal balance.
The flame inside you can go wild so sometimes you HAVE to smother it.

Thats is unless you dont care, and wouldn't mind being a scaled beast

>>96114380
On an objective level there's no glaring issues with it. It's just not to my tastes. I don't like the "you're a dragon but only technically and actually you just look like a human at first/if you want" set-up. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it's arguably necessary if you want to engage with an urban fantasy setting that has a masquerade, but it's not to my liking, at least not for dragons.

>>96114462
I'm not trying to say that it's like the Pooka frailty, I just think it would work better if it was more in line with it.
>And don't start with this fitting nonsense.
Honestly, I was just curious to see your reasoning, I didn't mean to imply you were wrong for thinking it didn't fit

>>96114511
I've think I've read those splat too

My problem with those releases to what you've said though; the dragons don't seem to have an end goal.

My initial idea in Dragon: The Tale was that the dragons had a goal, save their realm. They do that by inspiring greatness and awe in people and taking a bit of it back. But the metaplot of it was "Does the world need dragons anymore? " and have the idea of dragons giving up being dragons and letting the world move past them.

Dragon: The Legend is just a Chronicles version of that idea where it's a bit of the inverse. The dragons never left they just became a bit more human and a bit more selfish. They survived by becoming human and continues their dragons lives with human behavior in the mix. Ambition and its consequences would be the metaplot

>>96105441
>>96104370
Do I need to commission him for a custom character sheet or do I just grab a Mortal sheet and modify it in Paint?

>>96114603
DIY
I do stuff like replacing skills and adding extra fields and circles and squares constantly.

But there's like a dozen of mortal sheets already, maybe one already has what you need.

>>96114380
So far it sounds like you have a better idea of what the game is supposed to be about than most fan splats. Good luck fleshing it out and differentiating it.
>>96114603
Just get the editable pdf or a screenshot if you want.

>>96114637
Is there a good editor for those kinds of editable pdfs?
Nta, but I've been wanting to change certain fields in particular sheets.

Speaking of Fan Games, what's the most out there premise you have seen someone tried to translate into the ST engine?

>>96114575
Anything but forcing every wind elemental into the most annoying archetype possible, anything but constant talk/noise will absolutely work better.

Paroseme can be chatterboxes, but they absolutely shouldn't all be, and player needs to exercise good judgement still. Especially when the game isn't PbP, but involves actual talking.

I'm sorry if I seemed confrontational, but it's one of those things that sounds innocuous to people who won't play the game, but makes for a short-lived and utterly miserable experience in implementation.

>>96114762
Just write all you can on it then screenshot it and Paint the parts you cannot edit, neh?

>>96114762
I use Acrobat Pro Portable (pirated, never support those scumbags) but only because it was the first thing available to download.

>>96114762
The fillable PDFs have some compatibility problems with certain browsers. They work best on Firefox but I'm not sure if that's a problem with the file or my computer.

>>96114799
Oh, I was talking literally editing the intractable field. Like, turning one that is a drop down menu into one you can type into.
>>96114802
I'm not a fan of even pirating Adobe crap, but knowing that makes it easier to search for alternatives. Thanks.

>>96114777
Leviathan.
Its one thing to play an Elder Vampire. Its one thing to play as Cain, the progenitor of an entire breed of supernaturals. Its one thing to play as a Changeling. Its one thing to play as True Fae, your entire existence operates on contracts and oaths, instead of physics and biology and everything has a loophole and a fine print.
Its another thing entirely to play a Demon (be it the biblical version where you lead cults and people worship you for power, including entire other splats; or the glitch in the God Machine version where you have all the powers of an Admin in a “reality is a simulation-type” story but are considered a virus by the System, and thus, no better than the humans)
Leviathan though… its Demon on steroids. You are Kupala, but reincarnated into a teenager and must grow up into your full “mind-melted on eye contact” power, by scamming suckers you dream-catcalled into worshiping you so you grow up faster…. How exactly… do you write a chronicle for *multiple* such characters? How would anxious teen Kupala even consider sharing its limited worshiper pool with other infantile god-like entities?
Its a cool idea! But this is not something you play in a Theatre of the Mind game
Kinda like how you don’t play Skinchanging nature-paladins turned eco-terrorists in a Theatre of the Mind game, but here we are

>>96114884
I mean, nuMummy was written with the intention of players playing one mummy and its cultists, so that evidently can work.

>>96114913
Yeah and nuMummies wake up for one week, drop a meteor and then sleep for a few decades to centuries.

>>96114913
>>96114936
Can be weider, waaay back in Arse Magicka the group essentially leapfrogged being GM, self-important wizards, and their gormless retarders.

>>96114945
>retarders
retainers

>>96114373
The Venture bros could a "what if the Technocracy Let their etherite selves stay and the weird shit live"
Everything is open from magic to super science and it's just ridiculous and annoying.

>>96114598
I think what a lot of fan-splats are also missing is some sort of splat social structure. No Camarilla, no Traditions, no Courts. I get that they want their stuff to malleable, but putting some thought into how a particular being would socially interact is half the point of WoD.
For dragons, being largely solitary would be on point, yes, but that doesn't mean they won't have any form of contact with each other. Like, do dragons who seek wealth look down on those who seek knowledge? What are the social norms for visiting other dragons? Do the old boomer dragons look down on the younger ones, mentor them or try to smother their perceived future rivals in their cribs?
>>96114514
A different Idea I also had was to have their half-splat be Kobolds, essentially people who can use some limited amount of draconic transformations (never wings, though), but are not ambitious enough to become full dragons, usually just used as middle men by the stronger dragons who are stuck in their caves and towers. Essentially, a bunch of sycophants/admirers/suckers who think they'll be uplifted, but will never be more than fundamentally human.

Fuck supernatural fan-splants.
I want Pimp: the Backhanding translated into a splat.

>>96114884
A Star-Spawn of Cthulhu, a Fire Vampire of Cthugha, and a Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath can't walk into bars together without telling their progenitors?

>>96114884
Leviathan is in a weird spot because of how it would work better as a Changing Breed but their size gimmick and power concepts want to put them into the same power level as a Mummy.
If the people behind knew how to trim the fat it would actually be playable.

>>96114995
You can just play the game as is.

>>96115023
>If the people behind knew how fucking design their way out of a paper bag it would actually be playable.
FTFY

>>96114995
You can pimp hos AND have supernatural powers.
Toreafags and sneks are perfect, but any clan can work (and many other supernaturals).

>>96115171
Your various pimps and hoes can be some form of supernatural.
LaSombra Pimps back handing Knocker where's
Red Talon stripper shaking it for some Syndicate business men
Nosferatus trying to get soem Sidhe pussy

>>96114970
My idea for Dragon social circles would be a sort of Racketeering set up. There are Territories that are controlled by Overlords who are in charge because they're the strongest and expert loyalty from the weaker dragons as a cost for protection.
There's the Compact , an alliance of Draconic Overlords that keep the dragons from doing something stupid through threats and just killing them. So you can say it's like the camarilla, but it s not that organized, very much just everyone agreeing there should be a group to cull the idiots who draw too much attention.
There's also The Ways. Social circles that each have their own take on how to achieve greatness(Think the traditions)
One says through wisdom, another through strength, and one just says "fuck being smart about it, just be a raving beast for a bit and you're good" - the mindless savage option.

My name for the half-splats was going to be wrymlings, those that learned of their potential but haven't sparked it yet. Tho yours does sound interesting
Maybe they could also be those with the potential but don't want to be involved. Those not ambitious enough to go full dragon, but are content with the little power they have.

>>96115336
It sounds fun (though kinda only dark ages compatible, not that you couldn’t do Modern Nights since you have your own realms) and I would like to help you flesh it out with mechanics and such, but I still have another project I need to finish

>>96114995
Vampires and Ctl has that in strides

>>96115354
Id say it's actually compatible with modern nights.

Best way to think of it: The Dragons just turned into Gangs. Arbitrary territory lines, there's the big boss, peop, people in charge of sub areas, and the dragons under them. It's a shitty pyramid base on "I'm better and stronger than you so unless you're willing to fight me on it - DO. AS I. SAY"

>>96115263
>LaSombra
You better not be the guy that used to write "LaSombra" all the time.

>>96115426
I'm not but that way could technically be the right way given how "La Sombra" means the shadow.

Lasombra is more than likely just the fast talking way of it. Like how goodbye comes from "God Be With Ye"

>>96114884
>How exactly… do you write a chronicle for *multiple* such characters?
My table had no interest, but my ST loved them as antagonists.

>>96115491
Honestly, I think the best thing to do is to decorrelate the clan name from the original language, and act as if it was a totally new word of unknown origin that just happen to look/sound similar.
Like no French player EVER uses/pronounces ventrue as a the original French word, replacing the /y/ phoneme with a /u/.

>>96115685
Correct. This is why I say Broo-zhah instead of Broo-hah. They ain't witches.

>>96115685
The problem is that LaSombra is way too transparent to work as a Homophone for the Spanish Clan.

>>96115800
>Lasombra is way too transparent
Not sure I'm getting you. Do you mean to say Ventrue isn't?

>>96115755
Just call them rabble, lol.

>>96114380
I mean, isn't that just Scion 2e Dragon?

>"witch" in Spanish (but it's not the vampire clan that specializes in sorcery)
>reference to some pro wrestler guy
>entire-ass faction and lore ripped straight off another game
>venture capitalism but with one letter shuffled around
>on-the-nose reference to a super well-known vampire movie
>just a male Italian name
>literally "the shadow"
WOW GENIUS WRITING1!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!1

>>96112146
>>96112077
>Lvl 5 gift
Holy shit, dream ST wasn’t fucking around. Shame I don’t remember how that guy was defeated. My first alarm rang when he just transformed and the only thing I remember before waking up from my second alarm was the pentex nuclear garou beaten, and my allies concluding we’ll never take anyone prisoner to get info ever again.

>>96115895
>entire-ass faction and lore ripped straight off another game
Which one is this?

>>96113545
Does nothing lmao
The only toxins that can ruin blood are alcohol and drugs

>>96115917
Tremere, I assume. Mark, the creator of Vampire, played Tremere Grimgroth as a sample character in Ars Magica, a game he created earlier.

>>96115895
And then Tzimisce are Wamphyri form Necroscope whole cloth.

>>96115895
I see, I knew all the others but not that one. Never played Ars Magica.

>>96115829
Let me phrase it like this: I can't see a scenario where the Lasombra name works in universe but Ventru and Bruhja are a lot more believable. I can see the latter two keeping their names despite it sounding funny in other languages, but Lasombra sounds so retarded in Spanish it wouldn't last to the modern nights as the main name.

>>96115948
meant for >>96115933

>>96114884
>How would anxious teen Kupala even consider sharing its limited worshiper pool with other infantile god-like entities?
have it be like the Earthbound in Devil's Due where they just swallowed their innate need to be top dog to work together because it's objectively more effective for them (atleast until they become strong enough that they don't need the others anymore...)

>>96115933
>>96115917
He just a ported a faction he liked to play into a modern game, nothing really wrong with that (Mage wasn't a thing when Vampire was being designed and playtested, Stewart Wieck came up with it later).

>>96115952
>>96115829
>>96115895
>>96115800
What if Lasombra from other parts of the world actually called themselves "the shadow" in whatever language they speak naturally. Imagine a german vampire introducing himself as "Clan Derschatten" or a a french one going by "Clan L'ombre"

>>96115895
You forgot Toréador, probably a Bizet référence.
>venture capitalism but with one letter shuffled around
More probably, ventrue comes from the French word ("potbellied"/"paunchy"). In 19th century political jargon, the term was used for those politicians that always landed in key positions whatever the government (republic, monarchy, empire, etc), and made of politics a lucrative business.
The word has lost that use in modern French, but first edition VtM has a strong inspiration from that period.
So yeah, the Ventrue a re Clan Potbellied.

>>96115933
Ars Magica Tremere
WoD Tremere
CofD Tremere <- we are here
Curseborne Tremere
Every-AI-made-RPG Tremere

>>96115895
You forgot
>bullfighter in Spanish
but also, gangrel is just an actual word

>>96115895
Gangrel predates the wrestler. It just means "vagabond", vaguely related to one of Odin's very many titles in Gangleri.

>>96115895
Is the wrestler one supposed to be Gangrel? That's actually the other way around, the wrestler got his name from VtM.

>>96115895
https://www.members.tripod.com/neworleans_larp/word_etymology.htm
>tzimisce is named after carrot stew

>>96116047
>That's actually the other way around, the wrestler got his name from VtM.
Bullshit, like anyone even knew what a tabletop game was back then, let alone one that wasn't D&D.

>>96116023
Actually, my bad, yeah, I misremembered 1st edition having the accent (Toréador instead of Toreador), but it's only the Bradstreet illustration that has it, and then only in phonetics.
Still, I think the Toréador Song fits. If only, it /is/ alluded to in the 1st ed Malk clanbook.
I always foget about Gangel (cue "doesn't anyone?").

>>96116085
>"doesn't anyone?"
G-gangrenesisters, are we irrelevant?

>>96116022
>Tremere.png
>Smash the Patriarchy
I still find it funny that he characterised them as patriarchal meritocratic hierarchy... then every single writer in all settings proceeded to write them as equal opportunity meritocratic hierarchy with girls on pretty much every power level from signature character to the Council.

>>96115988
That could be a neat detail, but the writers didn't think of that.

>>96116069
David Heath was given a vampire gimmick and the name Gangrel by the then-WWF's writers in 1998. It is 100% from VtM

>>96115988
In a way, I could see that working, juste remove the "clan" bit., with others clans describe them as "the clan of shadow(s)", but the clan members defining themselves as part of the very substance of shadow.
Add some elder/childer intergenerational loss in transmission, the path of night in the mix... could work.
>What are we? We're the shadow. This isn't a metaphor. Just a truth your mind can't comprehend... yet.

>>96116055
I'm loving this.

>>96116130
Some did, to a point, with Xi Dundu in Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom.

>>96116069
VtM was huge in the nineties, anon. It was D&D's biggest competitor in the TT space at one point in time.

>>96116175
>>96116130
>According to the Bavili of the coast region north of the mouth of the Congo, a man’s shadow, xi dundu, enters and leaves the body by way of the mouth, being thus associated with the breath, muvu. A dead man has no shadow even as he has no breath. The shadow is thus a vital element, but it is associated with mortality: it dies with the man. When a person swoons, it is because his xi dundu has been stolen by a sorcerer; if it is not returned, death ensues. Xi dundu is, evidently, a concept of the same nature as the “spirit of the body” referred to above. It can hardly be called a spirit in any modern sense of the term. It is only spiritual in that older sense which survives in such expressions as “animal spirits,” “high spirits,” an immaterial principle governing vital phenomena.

>>96116069
the first line of the first song on slipknot's first album is "PENTEX SUCKS"

>read Leviathan
>turns out they are all friendless losers with anxiety and poorfags

>>96116226
Noice.
>Bonegnawers suck! Bonegnawers suck!!
>They roll around in garbage bins
>All bonegnawers suck!

>>96116183
>VtM was huge in the nineties, anon. It was D&D's biggest competitor in the TT space at one point in time.
I'd say Star Wars and Warhammer were still bigger in all regards that matter, but yeah, Vampire gained immense popularity right off the bat, and most of WoD revenue was consistently funneled back into Vampire products, and then Vampire was responsible for the second round of that satanic panic thing, so not just nerds, metal bands and faggots, even some housewives were aware of it.

>>96115884
Kinda
There really isn't a grand plan/agenda with these dragons however.

You are give power without consequnce, you become a force without any check or balances (sort of). You're a gorilla give the knowledge and ability to wear armor and use a shotgun and are told to go ham so that you can get a pile of bananas and an AK-47. You're not really a part of a great destiny or conspiracy (so far as the one that keep your existence a secret), you're a force of nature having fun.

>>96116013
>More probably, ventrue comes from the French word ("potbellied"/"paunchy").
Anon, that's literally one of the the roots for the word "venture" in modern english.

I updated this Tzimisce! I also felt it would be amusing for his dwarf-szlatcha to have smoking problem, if only to visually show that the midget is alive, while his master is not.

>>96116337
>and then Vampire was responsible for the second round of that satanic panic
The funniest part about this is that round 2 also targeted D&D, because boomers didn't know it was a separate game entirely. All ttrpgs were "Dungeons&Dragons" to them.

>>96116183
>>96116226
It's incredibly painful to see how far we've fallen. I don't care if you like chronicles, hastily killing wod with time-of-judgement making it was a fucking Mistake. Most of the fanbase left and the ones that remained split into endless skub wars about old and new wod.

>>96116567
Pretty neat. Are you the same artist who was drawing the Ferectoi a few threads ago?

>>96116598
>hastily killing wod with time-of-judgement making it
*to make it
hastily killing old-wod to make chronicles was a big mistake(though there were others)

>>96116598
I'd say their biggest mistake was hiring brucato, achili, and travis williams in the first place.

>>96116598
It sucks because mechanically Chronicles is actually just kind of better. Grafting oWoD lore and plot onto Chronicles mechanics makes for a much smoother play experience.

>>96116598
They could have just kept making historical WoD settings. It's the most baffling thing, since they were already doing historical WoD settings.

>>96116600
Yeah that's me! I was fiddling around with a new version, actually

>>96116618
>their biggest mistake was hiring brucato, achili, and travis williams
Heining, McFarland and Wendig too, but yeah, pretty much.

Williams alone is solely responsible for overwhelming majority of WoD's inherent problems. For all that he buggered off early enough, he still managed to shit all over the setting in ways that make it impossible to fix without nuking it.

>>96116567
>>96116644
Cute. Why is the big beastie darkened out though?

>>96116567
Pretty good.
I know it's an ongoing project and may take some time, but do Tremere next.

>>96116655
What would you say are the top 3 biggest problems he introduced?

>>96116644
Cool, would love to see it when you're done

>>96116567
Cool.

>>96116670
Oh I just havent painted it in yet

>>96116727
Ah, alright. Looking forward to it.

Adding my compliments for the drawings.
>>96116543
As far as I know, no. "venture" is genrerally agreed to come from the Latin "adventura" (conjugated form of ad-vernio) by way of French, "ventru", adjectival form of "ventre" from "venter". Similar sound, different root and etymology.

>>96116598
>historical revisionism
Quit putting the blame on "Chronicles" will ya? oWoD was on its death throes back then, it had grown into such a convoluted clusterfuck it needed to be nuked and rebooted, hence a NEW World of Darkness. The Time of Judgement books were just the sendoff. But because the guys at White Wolf have sub-Saharian IQ when it comes to marketing, they botched the execution so badly they had to slink back to reviving oWoD Frankenstein-style to milk the nostalgiabux. And then they got bought out by Paradox, and that's when things really took a nosedive.

>>96116851
To be fair, V20 started as a celebratory book that was so successful it ended up driving a revival. I don't really think it was planned as much as it happened, and they seized the chance.

>>96116337
I was too young in the 90s and not American to experience any of that, but how come I never see people who are not explicitly oWoD fans mention it? Like you often see people online who are not anime fans randomly mention an older anime like Gundam Wing or something. This is obviously not a real metric, of course, it just seems strange to me.

>>96115895
All the other clan names make some kind of quasi sense, but why name the Brujah clan Bujah? It seems very strange given they're more like rebel vampires than something like the Tremere.

>>96116694
Flaky minorities that are either irredeemably shitty things that should've never existed, or ruin good concepts and cool cultures by sheer retarded ignorance of their creator;
reservation of special powers and spotlight for those flaky minorities at expense of main playable factions and other gamelines where the concept would've been more fitting;
obnoxiously extraordinary self inserts and sues and general 'powers for me never for thee' faggottry.
Remote fourth is the trend for unironically portraying clearly malicious actors as innocent victims retaliating.

>>96116567
love his little midget buddy chuffing back a fat dart there

>>96116922
Cause you didn't play then. Like I said, for all its popularity in certain circles, it wasn't ever as all-permeating among the general population as LotR, Star Wars and Warhammer. Prolly wasn't as known as Battletech and Shadowrun either.

Bloodlines probably accounts for about 90% if not more of external exposure at this point. And most of that 10% is Redemption.

>>96117099
No one remembers Redemption

>>96117099
Thank God Bloodlines 2 will reverse that and give the ip the attention it deserves.

>>96117118
>Best weapon in the game is a sword that requires lowering your Humanity to use, but guarantees a bad end

>>96114511
>I’ve read a bit of the Dragon Fan-splats, but they usually encourage you to “play tall”, you intimidate your underlings (employees), grow your hoard (micro-manage your family) and bask in your power (sit on the kost comfortable chair in your barred up house living in perpetual panic over a fellow dragon coming in to eat you for more power or another aspirant seeking your heart from Dragonhood).
I think my mom might have been a dragon
and my dad was named George

>>96117140
BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH YOU POOR NAIVE SON OF A BITCH

>>96114598
There's also a question about how to make dragon their own thing because, for the most part, you would be better off playing a high Xp Changeling given how they have more to make a game out of.

>>96117145
>Best weapon in the game is a sword that requires lowering your Humanity to use, but guarantees a bad end
Unique choppers are all inferior to top quality generic weapons cause they don't allow a top quality shield, have less to waaay less dps, and their special bonuses are trash. If you want an axe (the low humanity unique is an axe) for its looks top axe is better in every way and looks the same anyhow.

Just like Hands of Destruction (Thaum path that needs low humanity) is inferior to general Thaumaturgy that fucks everything in your way.

Put the Blood jewellery on before you increase your generation status (neonate to ancilla and so on) every time, it will permanently increase your blood pool.

>Lasombra antitribu
It’s not too snowflakey for a first time player, is it? I just want access to Obtenebration.

>>96117140
>>96117166
Even if the game crashes and burns it will still bring more people into the fanbase than everything released since 2011, when V20 was released.

>>96117364
Nah, it's fine.
Besides, being a bit of a snowflake is an old and honoured WoD tradition.

>>96117364
If you are worried about that you could always play a Caitiff with Obtenebration. Sure people won't respect the character but they would still know not to fuck with them.

>>96117376
Given how many writer's pet factions we have on record it would be weird not to at some point.

>>96117364
>I just want access to Obtenebration.
At least you're honest. I have had real bad experiences with Lasombra Antitribu though.

>>96117392
It's probably because that kind of choice hints towards an unwillingness to play within the box of a faction most of the time.

>>96117364
>I just want access to Obtenebration.
You can always select any clan and buy "Additional discipline: Obtenebration". Because, you see, your sire ate a lasombra or some shit like that.

Can you only diablerize vampires of a generation directly one above your own?

>>96117408
Just take the know diablerist flaw like a man.

>>96117422
You can diablerise any generation but the gains are a lot less consistent an the risks significantly higher.
In other words in the vast majority of cases where you manage to eat them odds are thy will override your mind and personality.

>>96117422
No, but the bigger the difference between your and their generation (assuming they have a lower one, of course), the more likely you are to become their little bitch.
V20 The Black Hand has all the rules you want.

>>96116633
>Grafting oWoD lore and plot onto Chronicles mechanics makes for a much smoother play experience.
How would you recommend doing that?

>>96117513
Anyone who can do that should do so.

>>96117425
>>96117408
Anon's >>96117371 sire is actually a lasombra controlling the body of a Camarilla vampire who tried to diablerize him.

>>96117540
>forgot pic
>can't find the picture i was going to post
>fuck
>here, have a weresimp instead.

>>96117547
Kek

>>96117513
>How would you recommend doing that?
There were translation guides for at least some of the splats.

how can one play a stand user from jojo using wod? preferably not nu-wod

>>96117540
If they puppeteering the guy the diableri was a success, the aftermath not so much.

>>96117591
Just play mage moron.

>>96117603
Fair enough.

>>96117591
You can do that in Mage RAW

>>96117590
The Demon translation guide had the general translation guidelines allowing to port stuff in general.
The problem is deciding if it is worth the effort to deal with some gaps. iirc Soak rules are too inconsistent to be converted linearly or something along those lines.

>>96117591
Literally just play Mage.
You can make your Avatar manifest like a Stand.

>>96113826
>Mannikins
...Honestly, why are these guys meant to do?

>>96117665
It takes something like prime 3 and 6 dots of merits.

>>96117681
Perfectly viable at CC.

>>96117591
Just play Geist moron. It's Goth Jojo.

>>96117673
Sex.

I like it when Technocrats and Traditionalists join forces.

>>96117691
But I don't want to sleep with the creepy david bowie sex mannequin again, mommy!

>>96117898
It's either the mannequin or rapelion.

>>96117908

>>96117691
Imagine being a animated object and turn out to be a fleshlight

>>96117954
Grim.

>>96117954
Imagine dying, being too traumatized to fully pass on, and then getting turned into a fleshlight.

Another update on this Tzimisce!

>>96117984
Is he a weeaboo?

>>96117984
Behold!
The king in yellow!

>>96118000
No, but I like to think back in the Victorian period he took on the trappings of that period's fascination with the exotic East, and just never stopped creeping around in the sorta half-kimono you see here. He still thinks it's the height of fashion and exoticism.

>>96118010
Giga-based

>>96117984
Gotta love the monkey smile!

>>96117984
Your tzim is so much cooler than mine

>>96118039
When a vampires gets nice and old and dry, I feel like they stop remembering to close their lips, at least I like to think so, at least among the ones that are pretty detached from their humanity.

>>96118039

>>96114373
The Totally Spies girls being mages would certainly explain a lot of the wacky shit they pull off like .gif related

>>96118133
Daily reminder redhead is best head.

>>96118133
That's just average etherite matter + forces shit.

>>96116851
>But because the guys at White Wolf have sub-Saharian IQ when it comes to marketing
Do you really think poor marketing is the only and/or primary reason why the New World of Darkness failed to keep the World of Darkness audience?

New bread:
>>96118229
>>96118229
>>96118229

>>96113826
So recreating Fnaf isnt that crazy?

>>96117681
You don't need prime 3 just manifest avatar merit and then put dots of ally into it based on how strong you want it to be

>>96117973
Imagine living, accidentally bumping into a horny wizard, and then getting turned into a fleshlight