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>Previously
>>96102629

>TQ
favorite 1 mana creature?

>The existence of a Lightstall Inquisitor implies also the existence of a Darkalley Inquisitor
Thoughts?

Here's your tournament """"support"""", Pioneerbros.

I don't care that it's fake this card is based

>>96107845
>exiles all lands
We have an older better combos
>parallax tides
>parallax wave
>opulesence
Exiles all creature, lands, and enchantments you don't like. Add March of the Machines and you'll get rid of artifacts too. You can also generate infinite mana if you want with tides+waves. With liquid metal coating, you can turn anything into an artifact creature and exile it until there is nothing left on the board with wave.

>>96102629

>>96107980
>Midrange Victory
Uhhh Mtgtop8 sisters?

Accepted list of archetypes:
Aggro
Control
Combo
Midrange
Tempo

>>96108000
Aggro is bigger

Real archetypes:
Aggro
Control
Combo

Fake archetypes:
Midrange
Tempo

>>96107980
>try land engines, gays

>>96108076
Where do ramp fit into this?

>combo and control are different
You guys are so fucking stupid.

>>96108092
ramp is combo

>>96108076
>Best deck in Standard is Midrange
>IS FAKE ARCHETYPE GUYS!!!
Lmao.

>>96108186
It plays like an aggro deck, hence it's an aggro deck.

>>96108225
>It's an aggro deck i swear!!
Pathetic.

>>96108248
Doesn't change the fact that it's an aggro deck.

>>96108269
Is not and never will be, anon, stop trying o gaslight people.
Every deck has creatures or similar and that doesnt make every deck with creatures an aggro deck. Let aside the Dimir Midrange deck

All decks are combo decks because they want to put cards together in the table

>>96108402
All decks are aggro decks because they persue victory

TQ: there’s so many good ones but red is best

>>96108464
I’m special here’s pic

Brothers how many playable cards you think we will use in EoE? Set seems fairly weak

>>96108481
I am eyeing the Inquisitor, Xu-Ifit, Relic, maybe Chorale for fun. For Pioneer.

>>96108076
Poor soul never saw a delver or jund deck in their primes.

>>96108481
i don't care what you say i will turn this lobster into a functional and competitive deck.

>>96108524
these are both aggro decks yes

>>96108481
the green dude that let's you play an extra land + play lands from the grave and has "landfall - mill a card" looks quite strong

>>96108534
>Tempo
Fixed for you, faggot.

>>96108481
At least post the right art, jeez.

>>96108551
a rose by any other name is still a rose

>>96108551
>one deck is built around a fying 3/2
aggro
>one deck has lightning bolt, the most aggro card ever printed
also aggro

I understand nuance is difficult for anon but a delver deck and a rdw play massively differently and are built entirely different

>>96108579
If i punch your face is not the same as if i kick your balls, yes both are agressions but not the same kind.

>>96108610
Assault (aggro) vs sexual assault (tempo)

>>96108631
It's more like assault and battery

>>96108610
Both are assault. They're just different colors of assault. One is mono-red aggro. The other is mono-black aggro. Both are still aggro. Much like either one of those will result in me drawing my firearm and stopping you completely in self-defense.

Maybe you goyim would like to stop your argument and buy some overpriced... I mean well discounted foils from me? They're in Japanese!

>>96108686
Monoblack aggro is still different from tempo, tard

>>96108727
tempo is just another name for aggro kid

everyone should read compleat history of the magic the gathering metagame by Bruno Dias
it'll clear all of that up

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Are commanderkiddies creaming their pants over the new baloth? (Which will do pretty much nothing and dies to anything)

>>96108730
would you call this an aggro deck

>>96108759
No. That's a control deck.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71249&f=PREM
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Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96108782
THIS IS A HOUSE CALL

>>96108776
It's aggro-control slighted towards earlygame aggression; ergo, tempo.

>>96108790
Based Psychatog poster with Wonder in his graveyard.

>>96108798
Just a control deck with slow power crept creatures in place of instants and sorceries.

>>96108782
Not until you unban Force of Will

>>96108481
Screenshot this.
Warp creatures are abusable like impending overlords. Warp + birthing ritual in modern. Warp + outcast trailblazer in standard. The warp eldrazi in modern eldrazi decks. Starfield Shepherd, get an ocelot pride or guide of souls, sac shepherd to birthing ritual for a solitude.

Station will see no constructed play.

>>96108817
No, it doesn't want to stabilize into a board it can control. All its counters are soft counters and it will lose power in the lategame. It is not a control deck. It wants to present an early to midgame threat with Bitterbloss and defend it.

>>96108824
>unban Force of Will
That's never going to happen. Force of Will is ridiculously broken and overpowered.

Standard format? No such thing. The only formats are
>Vintage
>Legacy
>Pauper
>Modern
>Pioneer
>Extended

>>96108686
You've never even been in a fight lol quit your larping

A classic aggro card is Goblin Guide. It swings early to deal damage with utmost efficiency. It cares nothing for anything else.
A classic control card is Wrath of God. It destroys the board and annihilates the enemy's plays.
A classic combo card is Illusions of Grandeur. It gives you an instantaneous victory if you can do what you want to do with it.
A classic midrange card is Fable of the Mirror-Breaker. It generates card flow, mana, and a body all in one package, creating value in all sorts of different directions to work fine in almost any game state.
A classic tempo card is Delver of Secrets. It's good when your opponent is on the back foot reacting to an oversized 1-mana flyer and the deck is engineered to create those game states very consistently.

>>96108844
>All its counters are soft counters
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

And this is how I know everything you posted is wrong.

>>96108896
Having 4 cryptic commands is not going to save you in the lategame, sorry.

>>96108896
>HAHAHAH......
Why do zoomers love doing this?

>>96108908
It will if used correctly. And you're ignore the manlands in the deck which are used for the purpose of grinding out long games, one of the staples of control since manlands have ever exited. UB Faeries is a control. Always is and always was.

>>96108919
They can't convey emotion subtly because they are devoid of humanity

>>96108925
They are used for the purpose of giving your Spellstutter Sprite an extra fae to work with or to swing with all your Bitterblossom tokens for a win.

>>96108925
>esl
Opinion discarded. Try again without revealing your skin color.

>>96108936
Retard... You're just making yourself look more stupid at this point.

>>96108954
Are you saying "I animate my mutavault, then cast Spellstutter Sprite" is a play that never happens?

>>96108888
>You've never even been in a fight lol quit your larping
Yuropoors can't comprehend self-defense.

>>96107980
how do you make these?

>>96108978
https://catalog.neet.tv/harlequin.html

>>96108962
Not at all. I'm informing you, an ignoramus, that manlands are there primarily to grind out long games without needing a board.

>>96108892
This anon is fucking right. Faggots don't understand this game.

>>96108965
>Self-defense
I doubt you even know anything about defense behind your screen and with your Doritos bag at your side, sissy.

>>96108892
so midrange is the value slop deck?

>Run the numbers
>Maybe one or two rares left
>Maybe one or two mythics left
>Even ignoring the lack of a tribal lord, insects are still way slower than Tifa landfall
I think we may be doomed bros. I'm still gonna try to force the tribe, because I don't have any better hobbies to invest in right now, but it doesn't look good. Maybe Blex will make a return in Strixhaven or, God forbid, there will be spider support in the Spiderman set.

>>96108965
Imagine using that as an example of why your country isn't a shithole lmao your entire existence is made to serve jews

I had so much hops for robots...

>>96109097
Exactly, yes. Things like Bloodbraid Elf or Garruk Wildspeaker. Bloodbraid comes and gives you some other shit for free. Garruk comes down, makes a 3/3; and then continues to make 3/3s, make mana, or threaten to Overrun the opponent. Midrange wins by outvaluing you. It's why people frequently call cards "midrange slop". Midrange doesn't play burn spells, for one, while they are an aggro mainstay. It wants to shit out value, turn after turn, while removing yours, then win once it has the board that's large enough to kill you.

>>96109126
What category does Storm fall into

>>96107912
*Darkalley Answerer

>>96109140
I'd call it combo. Decks like, say Spinerock or Dragonstorm typically spend the first few turns preparing by banking mana, readying their wincons by suspending cards or digging through the deck, and maybe using cheap burn spells to control the game by killing a creature here and there.
Then, eventually, the storm player burns through all their mana and cards and wins, if not by an immediate lethal then by something that'll be lethal in a turn or even sooner.

>>96109140
Storm is combo always has been.
Just look at Modern Storm decks.

>>96109108
>thirdiebrown literally recoils in fear from freedom, wants to go back to the warmth of his paki rape gangs
Your entire existence is made to serve us, but if yapping makes you feel better about it by all means continue.

>>96108481
Warp cards are busted m8

>>96109201
I don't think so. It's Evoke-esque but they clearly held themselves back from putting big value ETBs on the creature like they would with Evoke because you get the creature back. It's a mechanic with potential for busted cards that you can use over and over, though.

>>96109233
Problem with evoke is that you can only interact with the creature with instant speed blink/sac effects like ephemerate. With warp, you can interact with the creatures in more ways like Phelia and birthing ritual.

>>96109189
>no u
Most original american. Your president is a pedo rapist lol

>>96109126
whart you just described is aggro though

>>96109341
loq b8 but i bite

Aggro is trying to kill you as fast as possible so you can't even get off the ground in whatever strategy you're running. If you consider casting lightning bolt 7 times kills someone then 7 spells is the gold standard for aggro, and they get 7 in hand at the start of the game. Affinity is the primo example since it tries to dump its entire opening hand on turn 1 and kill you as fast as possible. Often times Aggro burns its gas so fast if you can weather that storm you are almost guaranteed to win.

the jund anon was describing is about beating you on value of cards established over time, entirely different from aggro.

I'm edging over here

>>96107926
alright I'll try to 5-0 a league with some dumb shit like angels until saturday, don't really have anything else better to do

Playable cards from EOE so far:

>sunset saboteur (will be 4-of in top decks)
>green/blue mythic planets (kona only)
>cosmogoyf (vintage/legacy shenanigans only)
>quantum riddler
>pinnacle starcage
>lightstall inquisitor
>nova hellkite
>consult the star charts
>edge rover
>honor
>kavaron harrier
>hemosymbic mite
>plasma bolt
>pinnacle emissary
>space-time anomaly
>biotech specialist
>5 shocklands duh

That's a lot of playables in this set so far, we can stop acting like its a flop
but yes its also got a lot of trap cards that will actually be unplayable except maybe really contrived setups (timeline culler is bad)

>>96109786
>That's a lot of playables in this set so far,
lmao ok bud

>>96109786
You forgot about mono-black expressive iteration

>>96109845
the only requirement for expressive iteration to draw 2 cards for 2 mana was to cast it on turn 3+
triggering void isn't that easy, and we already have stuff like chart a course saying you can do it with a hurdle

You'll need to chain removal to draw cards off this and then the life loss is probably hurting

>>96108892
>aggro card
No such thing in the rules.
>control card
No such thing in the rules.
>combo card
No such thing in the rules.
>midrange card
No such thing in the rules.
>tempo card
No such thing in the rules.

There are lands or spells. Spells are either artifacts, creatures, enchantments, planeswalkers, instants, sorcery, or one of the few expansion specific types that don't show up anywhere else. And then there are the subtypes. The keywords
>aggro
>control
>combo
>midrange
>tempo
Show up nowhere in the card types.
>Goblin Guide
A creature.
>Wrath of God
A sorcery.
>Illusions of Grandeur
An enchantment.
>Fable of the Mirror-Breaker
An enchantment.
>Delver of Secrets
A creature.

The only deck classiifcation that matters is

>Your deck
A lame netdeck for losers.

>My deck
A cool awesome special custom brew.

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>>96109795
>no counter argument
Concession accepted, you may now post "I don't have to make an argument because it's so obvious!"

>>96109908
>inb4 JotC shills try their "acktually its midrange and tempo" cope

>>96109908
>omniscience combo: 1%
does 4->5 mana make THAT big of a fucking difference to them?
omni combo decks can still win the game quite easily

>>96109336
>no rebuttal at all, just desperate ad hom
Concession accepted, thirdiebrown, gg

>>96109908
just pick a top tier

>>96109929
No, it doesn't make that big a different. The problem is that the top decks now counter Omni, whereas pre-ban Omni had a decent matchup against them.

The meta shift pushed Omni out.

>>96109929
Before they could win on turn 4. Now aggro beats them before they can win.

>>96109908
>izzet
>dimir
>golgari
>gruul
>boros
Looks flourishing to me.

>>96109944
theoretical counter or actual counter
dimir has a ton of tools to counter omni but they aren't running them
ex
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71265&d=740051&f=ST

maindeck ONLY card that does anything is 2 spell sutters
sideboard is same ghost vacuums and duress that don't stop their t3 temporary lockdown -> t4 marang -> t5 repair and recharge

>>96109957
All five metarchetypes (Aggro in different colors) is represented! Standard is FLOURISHING

>>96109962
It's not worth it to counter omni when omni can't make it to top 8 anymore.

>>96109908
How about playing an actual properly balanced format instead, huh?

>>96110043
Yikes Brazilian anon is also this idiot.

>>96109614
Isamarubros...

>>96110011
I don't get why people aren't playing Omni, I'm still winning on turn 3-4

>>96110102
I'm not Brazilian.

>>96110043
>deck price $3k
>"b-but the budget decks"
They have a disadvantage thanks to the pay-to-win nature of the format legal reserve list cards. This is of course also not mentioning the non-reserve list cards who have not gotten reprints whose prices have skyrocketed. Enjoy losing because you went in with a $100-200 budget deck and got paired against a paypiggy deck.
>"b-but gold bordered cards"
Instead of $1k for a card it's $500. So what?
>"b-but proxies"
Enjoy getting kicked out of an event because proxies aren't allowed. Until they allow for proxies of reserve list cards as part of the official rules, it's just not worth it to play.

Now since there's a Pauper shill on here who would also agree. I have to put that faggot into his place by pointing out that Pauper is extremely unbalanced in favor of the tempo/aggro strategies thanks to powercreep from FIRE. Pauper is almost as bad as standard. Fucking Delver/Terror is a thing because of the FIRE power creep like Terror (Affinity for Graveyard, thanks Nosewater) and "pre-FIRE" creep like cryptic serpent.

>>96110130
Keep in mind that most "pros" and modo-players are extremely uncreative and only netdeck. The deck called Omniscience that they know about does not win fast enough, that is the UW control deck that plays omniscience and has to replace their turn-4 with a turn-5. They probably don't even know that invasion even exists and just mindless spam the "top" deck on top8 or mtgdecks. Part of the reason why cutter and mice got to almost 40%. They just copy decks rather than making their own. It was mostly the same with a card shop I went to with somewhat competitive players. Most everyone just copies some JotC shill's SCGcon deck or something like that and rarely even attempted to make their own.

>>96110130
get fucked by rotation fag

>>96110160
lol.
Sure, dude.
Sure. Whatever you say.
Retard.

>>96110184
Yeah. Because Pauper is such a healthy format.

omnibros we're so FUCKED next patch

>>96110174
What boggles my mind is the lack of bottom up critical thinking
They want to make a UW omni control deck
They wind up with a deck with ~5 total interaction spells, just lockdown, dispersal and maybe a single flanker or spell pierce or day of judgment
They want to make a pure combo list, they stick to UW and can't win the game before turn 5-6

If you want to play a control deck with omni finisher, you should have 20+ interaction spells. You could win the game with nothing but 4 copies of portent of calamity and 4 omniscience and 4 marangs, and the marangs/portents are draw spells.
How the fuck do people play control with a list of
>3 temporary lockdown
>3 ephera's dispersal
>1 refute
>some 2 mana cantrip creatures that get yeeted by lockdown
you'll have 40% chance to have 0 interaction in opening hand, and 18% chance to have 2+ interaction spells

>>96110199
Retard.

>>96110200
I play Kona and station my planet Evendo, putting Omniscience onto the battlefield on my second main phase

>>96109614
wtf this robot is so pushed
although the mono green deck already Llanowar Elves and Chocobo locked in as its 1-drops forever

>>96110130
>bo1 arena standard play queue
lol as if that means shit

>>96110395
>top XXX mythic ranked

Youcan verify your format is real IF you can play tron. Sorry this is the true measure of a real format.
Fake formats
>Standard
>Pioneer

>>96110438
bo1 graveyard combo deck on arena lol

>>96110473
Yeah that's a considerable portion of the format with zombidinos becoming so popular now, the difference is a deck with 16 ramp spells can actually hardcast its finisher

>>96110496
you post your deck here every day and you still don't understand why we all dropped it months ago for the UW version (that was good enough to get fucking banned lmao)

>>96109614
FIRE is fine. All cards are done with respect to the story of the game. There is no power push of strictly better cards, it is all variations of the cards that are balanced !
>>96109845
Oh, look, the black lose 1 draw 2 card in black. (use fetchland) to be fair this one I m ok with, it is crazy powercreep considering WoN but at least you need a set up to play it at full capacity.
>>96110457
You can play tron in legacy and vintage? (yes you can but it is really shit)

>>96109114
>>96109614
I feel like there's gotta be some way to make robots work. They've given them so many different payoffs in Aetherdrift and Edge of Eternities. They have tons of one-drops that are small but aggressive, surely Tezzeret can tutor up something to get the job done. Worst case scenario, Secluded Courtyard/Cavern of Souls will let you run all of them. It does suck, for robots and insects, that Haywire Mite is rotating out. It's arguably the best one-drop artifact creature they've ever printed post-Mirage that's legal in standard.

>>96108481
The 2/1 vigilance for 1 mana and the 4/1 menace for 2 mana are both going to see play.
The warp cards are ripe for abuse and playable even without abuse, which means they're solid.
The big green land devourer is under rated and I know I want to test it in turbo depths and BG reanimator.

>>96110907
Is Voyage Home playable in eternal formats? Or is the W pip too hard to justify?

Only tangentially related to Magic, but today I was reminded of Mythgard. I enjoyed the gameplay as well as the urban fantasy theme, which seems rare in TCG/CCGs. A bunch of solid design choices imo, like the often suggested turning cards into lands, as well as a HS-like power system for fewer nongames, among others. Of course the game died out within a couple years, as most do. Seems like it's a doomed genre, either you've already made it decades ago and can coast along, or you're just fucked. Even games based on big IP backed by big studios like Riot or CDPR or Bethesda don't last. Last I heard, even HS is dying out. I'm not that familiar with what goes on in Japan but it seems like stuff does better over there, idk if it's because of gacha or just weebshit. It's definitely not due to the art like anons keep trying to claim, Mythgard was throwing cheesecake at everyone, there was art for the men, the women, the furries, even the monsterfuckers. See picrel. It just didn't matter, because the market today expects you to pump out new content nonstop, and a smaller studio isn't going to be able to release six sets per year with hundreds of cards each like wotc does, so they're just fucked. Then people stop playing because they get bored, and then people stop joining because nobody is playing. It's like the MMO subscription model but for a less popular niche, the most popular monetization method is lootboxes, and you have to choose between having viable f2p or making money at all. It's sad to think that if Magic suddenly disappeared tomorrow, I don't believe there would be anyone to fill the gap, the genre would just be smaller. It's not a saturation issue, it's inherent flaws of the genre.

>>96110886
>use fetchland
void isn't revolt, it only counts nonland permanents
you can't reliably turn on void in most decks to get draw 2 from the black spell and definitely can't do it on turn 2
maybe on turn 3 you can cast a cut down and draw 2, but it doesn't start drawing with 2 mana unconditional removal until turn 4
its really a bad spell unless you're doing something janky that gives you sac on your turn for 0 mana but doesn't want a critical mass of creatures and fodder

I like to draw cards and I cannot lie

>>96108892
>A classic aggro card is Delver of Secrets. It swings early to deal damage with utmost efficiency. The deck is engineered to create those game stats very consistently
>A classic tempo card is Goblin Guide. It's good when your opponent is on the back foot reacting to an oversized 1 mana beater

>>96111032
for 5 mana I like to just win games

>>96111046
To be fair, 10 trample damage will probably win some games in UR.

>4x mistbreath elder
>4x nurturing pixie
hehe

I love fling decks

>>96111362

>>96111362
Based mouse player.

How is it?

>>96111538
Not as good as grand abolisher or voice of victory

Newbie here

Can cards from packaged commander decks be used in normal magic? and if not how can I tell them apart from the normal cards?
I bought a final fantasy themed box because it promised all thematic and cool cards from one FF game but apparently it's not meant for 1 on 1 magic and I just want to play with my friend who is also new.

>>96111563
Some can some can't
There's no easy to way to determine if cards can be used in any given format from the card's text
Preconstructed commander decks include some cards that are exclusive to those decks and only legal in eternal formats, like commander, legacy, vintage, etc. And some cards are just reprints of cards legal in standard, or pioneer, or modern, and you can't tell from the card itself.
You can look up cards on a case-by-case basis on a website like Scryfall to figure it out, because you'd need to figure out whether that card was printed in a standard legal set and when.

for example the Limit Break precon has
>Cloud, Ex-SOLDIER
legal only in eternal formats, not standard/pioneer/modern
>Vanquish the Horde
legal in pioneer, modern and eternal formats, but NOT standard
>Battlefield Forge
legal in every format
>Skullclamp
printed recently enough it would be legal in eternal formats and modern, but not legacy, BUT its actually banned in modern and legacy, but legal in vintage

Its a complex shitfuck

>>96111561
>Can cards from packaged commander decks be used in normal magic?
Nah.
>and if not how can I tell them apart from the normal cards?
You can't with a naked eye, the experts check and appraise the print quality of the cards with a microscope in tournaments to determine where the card is from, but it's still cheating even if you do it in casual play.

>>96111589
>>96111597

I see thank you, that's very disappointing.

I guess I'll have to either just find people to play commander with or sell off my FF6 deck, which the clerk assured me would retain its value.

>>96110199
>jund is an aggro deck
so this... is the power.... of mtgtop8

>>96111673
in Standard it considers the Unholy Annex deck with 20 mainboard removal spells to be an aggro deck

>>96111563
Cards are cards. No matter where you get them from. Boosters, pre-cons, starters, commander pre-built, whatever.

Which individual cards are allowed(legal/banned) in what format(basically game modes, different variant rulesets) vary and you will need to check those on sites such as scryfall.
If you play with friends just ignore all of the nerd shit. Bring a Commander deck to a standard 1v1, it's not a fair fight but who the fuck cares.

>>96111597
This is a josh.

HA HA HA HA HA
Darksteel Colossus. Haste Trample on T4

>>96111698
Too slow.

>>96111698
>4 mana creature you need to untaped with to do anything
>in red
it's trash

>>96111709
>T3 "do nothing
>T4. Colossus and Bulk Up
What are you gonna do?

If you flicker a warped creature you get to keep it too.

>>96111715
yes

>>96111713
The game is over T2.

>>96111718
>playing Legacy formats
you just hate fun

Tap, sacrifice another artifact: exile X cards from the top of your library, where X is one plus the mana value of the sacrificed artifact. You can play those cards this turn.

>>96111723
Standard is a 2 turn game just like all the others.

>>96111748
someone slept pass the Cori ban

>>96111723
You have brain damage if you think any sanctioned constructed formats outside Legacy or Vintage are salvagable, and even those are struggling.

>>96111786
then what are you doing here? go play something else
shu shu

>>96111728
cool card to play with metalwork colossus

Worship's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDOANoSsNyA

>>96108557
>>96111698
Humanoid kavu still irks me

event didn't fire but I found nice some nice cards in the bulk bins to use the singles tickets on
feelsgood

>>96111728
french is such a faggy language, jfc

>>96111698
>>96111728
>Kavu have roughly 6 creatures in the whole set
>They get a Kavu-matters card and two anthem effects
>No legendary Eumidians outside the memeander precon
>These are probably the last rares in the set
...No I mean I'm happy for them, I'm just a little disappointed is all. I don't know, looking through the leaks, it doesn't seem like we ever got #193 (between Icetill Explorer and Larval Scoutlander), so maybe they'll throw Kadrik into the set as an uncommon insect lord or something.

>>96110886
>FIRE is fine
FIRE is garbage
>There is no power push of strictly better cards
>no power push
Have you been paying attention to standard at all? To the gradual increase in power of creatures that started at least since Kamigawa? Not to mention the instant jump in power thanks to Nosewater's sets? And then we have ONE MANA COST creatures and TWO MANA COST artifacts being banned because of how much they ended up defining the format. And now in EoE, there is a 4/1 that you need to discard a card to remove and a green creature with haste that both prevents creatures from being countered AND stops all forms of damage prevention.

Creatures that end up being played today are strictly STRONGER than creatures in the past. The only place where
>no power push
Can be said to exist is in basic removal where other than some notable examples of mass removal, everything else is a reprint.

So what's the point of this set?

>>96111044
If anything both cards were mistakes. It was better when oversized one drops had a true drawback instead of evasion or haste, and, a fake drawback (you get a free hint at what you're opponent's playing).

>>96111928
To suck ass and be forgettable, I guess.

>>96111928
To provide a lot of slop for a coomander player's sci-fi themed commander deck and to provide a couple of power crept creatures for modern slop

>>96111563
In the bottom left of the card it will have a set code. You’re looking for FIN set that will be all standard legal (the premier constructed beginner format) you will find full art cards with FCA or FIC set code and those will not be standard legal but still playable in commander and other formats

>>96111830
How will you relate to them if they're not humanoid?

lol retards still crying about FIRE without ever having understood what it was

>>96111928
To fuck pauper up with more artifact value slop

>>96111960
>lol retards still crying about FIRE without ever having understood what it was
inb4 attempts at gaslighting about what FIRE is

>>96111972
it's a catch-all buzzword for whatever a youtuber told me to be angry about when I see a new card

>>96111983
>it's a catch-all buzzword for whatever a youtuber told me to be angry about when I see a new card
No there's actually an article explaining what it is that Wizards posted.

Corrected list of Archetypes for you Midrange deniers and Tempo schizos.
>Aggro
>Midrange
>Control
>Combo
Tempo is not an archetype. Any deck called a "tempo" deck can be coherently argued to fit neatly into control or into midrange.

>>96111928
Filler between Final Fantasy and Spider-Man*.

>>96111972
In practice FIRE is giving creatures dozens of overpowered abilities to try to make players "excited to read the rules text." I.e. Hearthfire Hero.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-preview/fire-it-2019-06-21
https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2019/05/the-designs-of-war-of-the-spark/
It's about power creeping creature strategies to the point where control isn't viable. Which is why standard is entirely aggro and midrange with very little control and no combo. The "control" decks that are winning have a lot more in common with creature-centric midrange decks than they do the classic spellslinger control decks of the past.

I don’t think we really understood the extent of how awful the final fantasy pricing situation is. I took my brother and nephew with me to my LGS last night for Wednesday night pauper. Of course, the kid wanted to crack some packs, so my brother spent $25 for 3 FF play boosters (that was discounted when you buy 3 at a time, usually they’re $9 a piece!!) and the kid only pulled 3 rares, one of which was fucking 50 cents

I always knew that buying packs was a scam due to the secondary singles’ market, but how does any normal person even buy a pack in this economy when the value is so bad due to speculating/gambling/generally high demand? I remember ripping tons of packs as a teenager but nowadays it’s so expensive I don’t think I’d want to pay for my kids to do that.

>>96111908
Tbf creatures used to suck hard for the most part. Look at the trash that used to be considered good in old pro tours (before 2007) you got shit like Serra angel being the meanest creature ever for the time

>>96112013
>>96111985
lol and none of you mongoloids have ever read the article.
you just eternally cry about the acronym after some other retard on social media instructed you too, same for all your other dumbass opinions.
subhuman social media creatures incapable of thought.

>>96112020
It's atrocious.
One of the lowest set EVs in a long ass time with by far the highest price. It's insane that the pack prices are sustaining themselves while their contents are sub-$2 on average. The pack EV for FIN is literally like $1.89 it's nuts.

Let me guess... the insect people are the good guys.

>>96112042
Cool story, bro.

I've been so checked out of MTG I had no idea they finally freed my wife.
I'm already going to put in my foil Chainer, but should I waste a slot for my foil Patriarch just as a thematic flex?

>>96111698
>last red mythic is even worse than I imagined it would be

This set really is just 3 ~ 5 playable commons / uncommons, then.

>>96112050
The worst/best part is all the alt art treatments. It means that opening a full art foil rare might only mean $5. However it’s good for commander players since they can get full art foil for cheap in some cases.

There's an LGS draft event this weekend, would it be a huge mistake to attend as a new player?

>>96112065
Your wife fucks black men

>>96112079
If you know the basics of play then no. If not you need to at least get to the point you aren’t fumbling rules. If you show up early you can probably get someone to give you a QRD on how to play. Just don’t expect to win.

>>96112050
>>96112074
You guys don't get the reason why boosters are opened in the first place. Rarely does one opens a booster looking for a return, thinking he wants his money back. That's competitive player mindset because usually boosters are prizes, and often it's better to just sell your sealed product you won anyways. No, boosters are opened due to both ignorance of the rates and the thrill of the gamble, the money made through boosters is entirely reliant on the casual playerbase and so the EV doesn't actually matter.

>>96112104
There's a difference between opening 4 dollar boosters for casual fun and getting some cool cards back, and opening a 9 dollar booster and receiving a stack of 2 cent bulk trash.

>>96112086
I am black.

>>96112086
My bad, didn't realize this was the wrong thread. Probably shouldn't put EDH in the OP so it doesn't show up when I search the catalog for it.

>>96111928
More slop.
Eat up, JotC shill.

>>96112026
>Look at the trash that used to be considered good in old pro tours (before 2007)
>Serra angel
Before 2007, there were better options than Serra Angel. i.e. Exalted Angle. If you ran the morph it is a strict upgrade of Serra Angel that comes out a turn earlier and unlike Serra Angel can stabilize the game if it came out on turn 6. And of course, this is ignoring the reality that there were a lot of big huge creatures with strong abilities that "cheated" into play like Hypnox, Akroma, etc. Or even pic related which in conjunction with phase out/stifle comes into play on turn 2. Madness cost was a thing that if you simply put one of the discard outlets into play, you could cast some big creature for a reduced cost. Moreover, there was Grinning Demon, a 6/6 flyer for 4 mana that did 2 damage to you each turn. You could also morph it in to reduce the damage you take from it for a turn. Spiritmonger from apocalypse is an example of a 5 cost 6/6 with NO drawbacks. You could regenerate it and change its color to deal with color specific cards/abilities, i.e. anti-green cards, protection from black.

And of course, we can't ignore the reality which is Affinity for Artifacts (Thanks Nosewater) where the expensive creatures were rendered free to play.

The difference between then and now is that you had to use some combo or ramp hard to pay the mana cost to get the extremely powerful creature into play earlier. At least mana cost/additional costs were balanced if JotC didn't print a way to negate it in the next expansion (literally what happened with Dreadnought).

What the issue is, is that there are now low mana cost big creatures that can be played efficiently often without additional costs and with a lot of benefits.

>>96112124
the difference is that, no one wants to open a booster pack in the hopes of receiving black women of strongs mythic #9843298498298, they want to open them in the hopes of receiving their waifu tifa or favorite character cloud or whatever. Even if it'd be cheaper to just buy the card, they can feel the connection they have with the character in gambling in hopes of getting it, sort of like they are "earning" their card. The hope of getting one of their comfort characters is bigger than the despair of the incredibly low odds of that happening, so they keep trying.
Also, the bulk is just more interesting. No one gives a shit about random artifact slop with black guy on the background #93290903290, but anyone opening these boosters probably enjoys moogles or some random minor character enough to not want to throw the cards immediately into the trash

>>96112166
>the difference is that, no one wants to open a booster pack in the hopes of receiving black women of strongs mythic #9843298498298, they want to open them in the hopes of receiving their waifu tifa or favorite character cloud or whatever. Even if it'd be cheaper to just buy the card, they can feel the connection they have with the character in gambling in hopes of getting it, sort of like they are "earning" their card. The hope of getting one of their comfort characters is bigger than the despair of the incredibly low odds of that happening, so they keep trying.
It's pathetic really.

>>96112166
>pay a premium because the 2 cent trash has some animu character on it the weeb faps to

How do I get better at draft? I’ve already got the basics down, like:
-no money picks
-generically good creatures are better than long shot synergy picks
-Either plan to win fast or stuff your deck with removal

What else am I missing

>>96112190
>What else am I missing
Crack the broken bombs and win the coin flip.

>>96112190
Always read guides beforehand.

>>96112163
You get the idea though that creatures used to rarely pull out 1 power/toughness per mana spent and getting to that point was generally enough to be playable. Then contrast that with non creature spells of the time and it tended to be night and day on power scale. There’s no creatures in the power nine or even worthy of note from the early years of mtg

>>96112166

Packs are for drafting or gamble thrill, for everything else there’s singles. The only play set I got out of my FF box was ice flan.

...I don't hate it. Has some fun lines where you just kill your own stuff to draw cards (will likely be the way this is played 99% of the time).

>>96112221
WTF IT'S SO FUCKING GOOD HOLY SHIT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK BROS

Literally the best card printed for Owling Mine since Ertai gat dayum.

Have we had fight spells on auras before?

>>96112190
Open the strongest cards.
Also current mtg is less about synergy and more about cards working by themselves; so check for mana fixing and don't be scared to splash for 3 or sometime even 4 colors if it means bringing more mythics to your deck.
Or just do a hard control deck with all removal

>>96112240
one other

>>96112253
Oh, that's a pretty big upgrade then. Probably still not good outside of limited, but hey.

>>96112206
>Then contrast that with non creature spells
Non-creature spells were not overpowered compared to creatures. They were appropriately powered. The difference is now creatures are overpowered and non-creature spells are generally underpowered.

>>96112221
>Death aint noffin but tricks and hoes

>>96112294
That’s reasonable, the balance has definitely been fucked lately. I think the power creep is causing serious issues tho in constraining the game. It won’t be long before 2cmc is too much for legacy play at this rate

>>96107980
>Always plays power literally, yeah.
Man, timmies still making themselves heard.

>>96112050
I hope all UB sets are like this.
the FF Collector's Boxes were comically easy to win on Arena for how much they sell for
literally free money for Limited players

>>96112450
>Win free boxes
>Sell to weebs
>They crack boxes and open zero (0) value
The weal and woe persists.

>>96112251
lmao a new player asks to learn how to draft and the advice here is
>ignore all synergy when building your deck
>try to play hard control

No one deckchecks for FNM.
I keep winning my local one playing Titan with 6 copies of Amulet of Vigor.

>>96112465
Yes, it's a good learning experience. A beginner won't be drafting for 3-0s usually anyway so you might as well get a feeling for what to and what not remove.

>>96112465
people here obviously are bad at draft, what can you say
they don't wanna try to improve, they just wanna hear that "draft is so low skill now, you just open bombs and win" despite not actually engaging with it

>>96112527
You're something that rhymes with Amulet of Vigor.

>>96112527
>Modern
Ha ha

>>96112527
>Modern
Ha ha

>>96112546
Elaborate

>>96112603
N-

>>96112527
based
for me, its 21 card sideboards

>>96111928
Hasbro demanded 6 sets per year and design team gave up and is phoning it in at this point.

>>96111698
Sneak attack at home.

>>96112527
>>96112642
>Having to cheat on decklists when you could just learn card mechanics.
Amateurs.

>>96108481
I had hopes for this set and then they started showing all the stations.

>>96112711
6 sets a year all of them Standard legal ones is the most pure unadultered madness i have seen from this company. I mean feels like a week ago we got this FF and now we are going to Space and two months later we will face Doc Oc and Green Goblin... Is an absolute shit.

>>96112827
>6 sets a year all of them Standard legal ones is the most pure unadultered madness i have seen from this company
You forgot that it's 6 sets a year PLUS extended Standard rotation.

>>96112754
I'm also the best player here and would win anyways.
cheating is for the lulz

So basically I have 2 weeks to spend all my gold/gems on FF packs on arena if I want to enjoy golden packs before we enter a 4+ month window of total fucking shitburgers
I wouldn't even crack packs of this garbage on a digital client

Your seemingly innocuous uncommon that will probably be used more than expected.

>>96112854
but would you cry about it on a digital social media forum?

>>96112827
Arent you excited to visit NEW YORK anon :) ?

>>96112870
I will always remind you UB slop enjoyers how trash this trend is so yeah you will be reading me a lot the next for months i suggest you to fuck off if you can't handle it.

>>96112868
>1 Eldrazi
>1 Sliver
>2 dog cards
>In the spacial set
What WOTC mean by this?

>>96111673
>Fog is combo
>Elves is aggro
>Delver/terror and fae are the same deck, also, both are aggro
>Affinity is aggro
>Hotdogs is aggro
>"Ephemerate" is a deck (????)
Bro is using worse tcdecks will never not be hilarious.

>>96112873
No, I play on Arena, so I will be visiting Ravnica and Lorwyn.

>>96112868
>Codecracker Hound
>isn't a Hound
I hate numagic
I hate numagic

>>96112891
You will get Parker Peter the Male Arachnid anon.

friendly reminder fae and delver are tempo decks and you will never be able to deny this.

>>96112891
>>96112900
Amicable Block Arachnid Dude.

>>96111698
Shan't be playing a card that subordinates itself to a they/them

>>96112873
>Venom, Chocobos, Cloud, Prince Zuko, Aang and Green Goblin will be sharing the same Standard
How this makes you feel anons?

>>96112889
>Fog is combo
yes. You bunker down then accrue mana to one shot the opponent either through rat or deck out, that's combo
>Elves is aggro
creature deck that goes wide then kills you, it's aggro
>Delver/terror and fae are the same deck, also, both are aggro
all blue agressive decks, aggro
>Affinity is aggro
galv blast and myr enforcers, aggro
>Hotdogs is aggro
creatures that hit hard, can't be more aggro than this.
>"Ephemerate" is a deck (????)
jeskai ephemerate is a deck

>>96112939
>I double down on my retardation
And Dimir is UB aggro right? Genius

>>96112946
dimir is a control deck, as shown by the categories

Oh boy a sometimes 2 mana 4/4.
That's it.

>>96112868
>space set
>can literally do anything and everything setting wise
>full of food references and heckin' doggos

Please stop this, WotC. You don't have to do this. No one is twisting your arm.

BROS
WHEN I CAST MY SECOND SPELL EACH TURN, THE THING TRIGGERS
THEY DID IT AGAIN, BROS!!!!

And a sometimes 4 mana 5/7 with reach.

It's all so tiresome...

>>96112939
Lmao, you got me.
I almost took you seriously, actually if you really think about it
>Shot
>Violent
Fog is aggro.
>Ephemerate
>Runs bolt
>Wins with creatures or burn
Also aggro
>UB terror
Plays creatures for much cheaper than they should be, cheating them, as one might say, thus it should be combo

>>96112939
Lol, I hope you are trolling anon

*resolves*

there is a japanese FBB Strip mine on sale at a local shop for like $7
I absolutely don't need a Strip Mine but it looks cool.
buying random pieces of cardboard I have no use for feels dumb though, should I?

>>96112991
I know you're mad cause you're wrong so I accept your concession

>>96113006
Yes. Then sell it for 20+shipping on tcgplayer.

>>96112991
I like the way you think.
Also first day of class has creatures, and uses them to win really early, so it is aggro.

>>96112939
Most of the "ephemerate" decks are familiars lmao.
Someone just drop the pissmodern copypasta this threat needs a truke.

If your format has the concept of a "budget deck" your format is comically expensive and you are just gaslighting naive retards into joining so you can farm them with your strictly superior and more money intensive decks, a 100 "budget" deck is almost always slang for "Spend 100 bucks on a dogshit deck that cannot be upgraded into a real deck" or, in the best case scenario "Spend 100 bucks into a worse version of a good deck so you can get your skull caved in except when you get lucky".

Along with that most of the premodern decks are 250$+ put into worthless cards, and "Muh proxies" isn't a really good argument because most people don't like them, it looks bad, and also most stores will still demand shit like gold bordered cards (even more worthless) as "proxies" or you'll say "just use chinaman proxies" without noting all the disadvantages that has, like getting store banned.

I'd even note that a lot of the actually good decks have shit like x4 Cradle, wastelands and a shitton of your tournaments also demand print specific because once more, it isn't a sanctioned format with hard set rules and said printings are all on the inherent reserved list.

Oh and btw, the average pauper deck is now in the 50 to 80$ range buying at the comically overpriced big name shops like TCGPlayer and Starcity of david with any expensive card being a perenial multi format staple (lotus petal, hydro/pyro variants) most of the time and the only real barrier of entry is skill, because in mtgo you can very easily pay your renting and then buy your deck and keep printing $

Sorry, not sorry if you are going to shill your format, which other than not being very competitive and having one big issue for long term high intensity play (closed format, which is also the inverse for long term low intensity play) isn't super bad, at least be fucking honest Mr. I am so super vvhite and aryan but I'll behave like my own racist caricature of a scheming brown jew

can someone give me a budget deck for Premodern that beats Stiflenaught and Replenish?

>>96113099
Every deck is a budget deck if you buy Chinese counterfeits

>Aggro
>Control
>Midrange
>Tempo
>Combo
You actually enjoy any of these archetypes in this game? Because they all look miserable to me.

>>96113124
What archetype do you like?

>>96113099
just play a random aggro deck (80% of pre modern is aggro)

>>96113133
None, is what i'm saying i just can't enjoy any single archetype...

>>96113124
all of these except the second one are just different flavors of aggro, retardbro

>>96113161
I will not fall for your retardation, faggot-kun.

Tempo presents a threatening board state then protects it to the finish line. Using lots of protection and interaction to maintain it.

Aggro spends every card they can to rush to the finish line before anyone else. Notably they don’t run any protection and limited interaction.

Retard anon and his aggro trolling.

Are you people still fucking on this shit? Shut up.

>>96113207
>Tempo presents a threatening board state t
literally aggro. You just admitted it

>>96113099
Nought has a hard time against discard. Duress and cabal therapy if used at the right times can just kill the combo. Having no hand, i.e. against pitrack = no noughts. Again, sideboard helps here. Most of the time the nought deck will not draw its combo until later.

Replenish can be beaten by countering the right things and forcing discard of all the right things. Again replenish does nothing if you forced the opponent to discard it. Usually you side in some tormod's crypts, planar voids, and so on and pop them into play on the turn before you think they're going to replenish.

>>96113124
>Aggro
>Slow aggro
>Medium aggro
>Timing aggro
>Fast aggro

Pauper is a 100% Aggro format confirmed

there are too many damn cards coming out

>>96113207
>Aggro spends every card they can to rush to the finish line before anyone else.
A good aggro player will not do this. If you play like that, often the control/midrange player will just exploit it and win. Only bad players play aggro like that. I learned this playing control against an RDW player when I started 15 years ago. The people who get three or four turn wins only go for it when they know they can get away with it. If they don't think they could get away with it, if they're any good, they player more conservatively and just wait for the right time to win while trying to b8 out your plays while putting on pressure.
>Notably they don’t run any protection and limited interaction.
Only true in really old decks like some of the older ones that just rush at you with 30 goblins. In reality there's a good amount of interaction and protection as a good aggro deck these days tends to run something like 20-25 creatures with 13-15 non-creature spells.
>green +X/+X spells, overprotect, etc.

There's very little distinction between Tempo and Aggro especially when it comes to how an actually smart player will play the decks. The only difference it what a blue or black aggro v. a red or green aggro deck run in those non-creature slots. Tempo should not be considered its own archetype.

The real question is whether or not the "tempo" deck is actually an aggro deck or a midrange deck.

>>96113354
Jesus Christ.
What a shit format this has become.
Just compare it to this:>>96110043
This is how a properly balanced format should look like.

>>96113354
Mtgtop8 grouping is so bad. Who would ever call jund or modern day grixis affinity aggro?

>>96113417
Good post but just looking at the top 8 from last pro tour tou will see how wrong you are about interaction numbers. I saw ~7 pieces of interaction on average and 4 of those are burst lightning which still slides into the kill plan.

Warp hate, because they seem to do a card like this with every mechanic now.

>>96113534
>4 mana 3/1 that makes the opponent "discard"
it's trash

>>96113473
>the top 8 from last pro tour tou will see how wrong you are about interaction numbers. I saw ~7 pieces of interaction on average and 4 of those are burst lightning which still slides into the kill plan.
You mean the mice v. cutter pro tour? Where cutter ran 8 dig spells (hence doesn't need as much interaction since it can draw what it needs) while the side board was 8 more interaction cards? And where Mice was built just to take advantage of the fact that it was superb on play and only need interaction on draw still with 8 more interactions in the sideboard? Of course this is neglecting that four of the top mice deck's creatures also doubled as interaction.

The Mice/Cutter meta is an aberration from what aggro decks typically were and how they've been ran in the pasted. You shouldn't let it distort your perception.

if wotc printed an epstein card in a secret lair wouldn't it also sell out? let's say it's limited run but they wouldn't pull the "sale has ended" trick to make it look like it sold out to investors

I wanna give picrel (surge foil) to my friend. He doesn't play mtg but he likes FF and collecting tcg cards. Which service should I use to grade it? I'm considering HGA atm

>>96113153
you look miserable to me

>>96113554
Just give him the card and if he wants to grade it he can grade it himself.

>>96113554
just give him the card, grading is a meme
also I hope you two are a cute couple

>>96113569
>>96113570
fair enough. any recommendations on how to zhuzh it up as a present?
and NO, WE'RE NOT GAY FUCK YOU

>>96113580
put it inside a inner sleeve, then a double sleeve, then a toploader or one of those slabs they use for one piece leaders
also kiss him afterwards

>>96113580
You must be really closeted about your gay romance if you're that angry.

>>96113580
He knows you are not gay, anon? You will hurt him :(

>muh tempo
>muh aggro
shut the fuck up already

>>96113673
Tempo is better than Aggro
Aggro is the small brain brother of Tempo

>>96110043
Premodern will never be a valid format until it solves the $3000 deck problem.

>>96110184
Nice counterargument faggot.

>>96113690
That problem is solved by you brining in proxies, and nobody caring.

>>96113690
>solves the $3000 deck problem
What problem?
Just proxy the cards, retard. People just want to have fun, make decks and play.
No one really gives a shit about proxies in the format and even gold-bordered cards are allowed.
Fuck, even tournaments always allow 8 proxies (which is enough for your 4 Cradles and 4 Mox Diamonds or whatever the fuck) and all gold-bordered cards are 100% allowed. Not to mention, you can also use new reprints of cards like fetch-lands, etc. which are much cheaper to purchase than the original ones.
Retard.

anyone play the Core Set 2019 flashback draft on Arena?
I totally forget what that set what like

>>96113723
proxies are illegal.

>>96113799
Premodern is an unsanctioned format so it's really just up to whether your LGS allows proxies or not.
But 90% of you retards don't play paper tournaments and most of the ones who do don't have an LGS that runs Premodern.
Seems like a nice format if you have a local scene for it. Mine is strictly no-proxy so I don't play it.

>>96113799
Not in Premodern.

Proxies are a form of dishonest piracy and making and owning them should be punishable by US law.
If you want to play the game, you buy your fucking cards. Don't play games that you can't afford. Get a job.

>>96113844
tsmt
brokies don't belong in Magic

>>96113844
Thanks, JotC shill.

>>96113844
>t.Mark Rosewater
Fuck off.

>>96113844
Giving WotC money in the year 2019+6 should be punishable by US law

>>96113844
Even the official Beta drafts that they do at the pro tour use fucking proxies to play the matches once the cards are opened.

>>96113844
Fuck. YOU.

>getting baited by that
Proxyfags lmao

>>96113923
>implying it's not a samefag beating a strawman

Maro here
Next set we will have a lot of cards that interact with the side board haha!
Green's identity is to interact with the sideboard so we'll have cards like
Green Removal
2G
Instant
Put target non land permanent into its owner's side board
and
Green Lurrus
Side board Companion (you may reveal this card from your side board, if you do: put it into your hand)

>broke proxyer seethe
Stop being poor.
You live in a market economy.
You make money, you buy stuff with money and that creates the economy that keeps you and everyone else alive.
It's all basic life skills you should learn and if you won't... Well fuck off then. Try russia or china.

>>96113969
Wouldn’t that make their deck illegal on the spot? Not sure how the wish card rules work regarding this

>>96114021
Can’t wait to bring proxy duals to an lgs for some fast cash. It’s just economics brother.

Tell me your deck, and I shall tell you why
1. It isn't actually white
2. It actually is aggro slop

I use 100% proxies (yes, even basics) for my pauper and penny dreadful decks. Why? For teh lulz.

>>96114077
mono white control

>>96114077
>All aggro schizo is also a White schizo
Fuck i should have known...

>>96114105
Deck list, retard

>>96114100
to make up for it, I actually only play with 200% real decks (I need to own 2 copies of a card for every 1 I ant to play with)

>>96114100
Based "online cards are fake" truther

>>96114116
>gets told
>n-not like that
kwab

>>96114116
26 Plains
2 Beza, the Bounding Spring
4 Enduring Innocence
4 Aerith
4 Day of Judgment
4 Get Lost
4 Lay Down Arms
4 Sunfall
4 Caretaker's Talent
4 Carrot Cake
2 Elspeth, Storm Slayer

>>96113844
so in short, they are based

leak

>>96114303
wtf Frenzied Baloth but she real

>>96114198
Games and fun are society's reward for the hard working people who contribute to society, support the economy and make money.
There's nothing based about ruining the system.

UG hasn't been the same since Uro left
Bring him home

>>96114303
>art is a screencap from the show
>cutting off the set symbol
clearly fake

>>96114326
it looks like a pringle so it is believable as a WotC product though

>>96114326
it's so shitty it's believable

>>96114322
>There's nothing I can do to stop you.
ftfy

Is universe beyond part of regular mtg?

Also the tarkir set looks fun with its big dragons

>>96114558
>Is universe beyond part of regular mtg?
They recently changed it so that UB is playable in Standard, yeah.
>Also the tarkir set looks fun with its big dragons
I enjoyed it, but anons seem to generally disagree.

>>96114558
There are better games with bigger dragons for cheaper than MTG.

>>96114558
only final fantasy

Mm'menon gets a second card, which surprises me.

And some green graveyard fuckery.

>>96114701
Has it been two cards for each enemy pair legendary? Haven't been keeping track.

>>96114709
>green gets a 5 mana 4 for 1
yo?

>>96114641
Name 3

>>96114709
this is a good card

>>96114303
>Cropped out the part where it's 2 mana and overstatted

>>96114793
Yu-Gi-Oh
flesh and blood
pokemon

>>96114136
Fake White deck. Beza and Sunfall make nonwhite tokens.

>>96114709
I also like the art with ayylmao.

>/edhg/ is now worshipping Loot and putting custom cards of him in the OP
This game is being ruined by commanderbabies.

>>96114729
Every legendary creature has two cards, it seems. Which is... I think only 14 legendary creatures? The general idea is the Uncommon one is them at the start of things, the higher-rarity is their more current state.

>>96114821
Well, most of them. Xu-Ifrit, Ragost and Dyadrine won't have one, probably, because they're not story characters.

>>96114819
They took the idea from here lol

>>96114819
Faithless Loot {R}
Legendary Creature - Beast Noble (M)
Haste
When Faithless Loot attacks, draw two cards, then discard a card. Sacrifice Faithless Loot at the beginning of the next end step.
Unearth (2R)
2/2

>>96114701
Its shit like this that makes me think color pie is pretty much dead.

>>96114819
Lootblade (1R)
Instant
Exile target chandra planeswalker. Its controller creates a legendary red 3/3 creature token named Chandler with "{RRR},{T}: Destroy target artifact creature" and mana cost {4}{R}

>>96114868
>>96114892
Your newfag is showing if you think these cards are balanced and not massive color pie breaks.

>>96114889
...Flying and cares about artifacts? What's out of pie there?

>>96114808
>pokingmen
>cheaper

>>96114819
not only has it been going on for 2 threads now but they also only like to talk about the games and movies associated with the UB rather than the card game

>>96114931
Loot Warp {R}
Instant
The owner of target enchantment shuffles it into his or her library, then reveals the top card of his or her library. If it's a permanent card, he or she puts it onto the battlefield.

>>96115039
Red can't destroy enchantments, newfag.

it's bait

>>96114931
>>96115071
All you have to do to not show everyone how autistic you are is not talk.

>>96114819
this >>96114847
we've been shitposting about loot since he got previewed all the way back in OTJ

>>96114958
>he's a collector
stop being a gaylord

>>96114819
I want Loot to die.

>>96114819
Still loses to elvish archer

>>96111044
Delver of secrets literally does not swing early without outside help with efficency. It can easily remain an 1/1 if your deck is not actively supporting it.
Neither is it hard to react to Goblin Guide. It's not good when your opponent is in the back foot. They can remove it if they want, it's already done its job by swinging once.

>>96112899
what does having 2 card types, Hound and Dog, actually add over having merely Dog

Treat me like a clueless retard, but I need some advice. I just got into mtg via a welcome deck (it had red/blue in it), and I found it to be fun as hell. My friend recommended sticking to mono color decks to start. Are there any decks that are recommended for plain old standard/casual (60 cards total, 4 max per card)? I was told the decks here (https://www.tcgplayer.com/content/article/5-Starter-MTG-Beginner-Decks-for-Magic-Foundations/da2f3a08-f1a7-4da5-b381-bd9920b4f96a/) were good to start with.

Any recommendations on cards and where to buy them? I noticed tcgplayer has insanely bad shipping prices (like $50 shipping for $10 of cards). The link didn't have a black deck either, so any recommendations on that would be nice too. I saw card kingdom had "rookie" decks, but my friend said they're total ass and to avoid them.

>>96115654
I recommend the following deck to start with

4 opt
4 sleight of hand
4 stock up
4 chart the course
4 think twice
4 deduce
4 impulse
4 Farsight Ritual
4 Moment of Truth
2 three steeps ahead
24 Islands

Best deck I've ever won. I'm almost undefeated with it.

>>96114819
Garbage card. Loses to boardwipe

I like proxies, fuck paying premium for papers
but make it so the proxy is easy to see on the table as the card it was meant to be
Fuckers making custom giant tittes slop proxies that all look the same ARE the problem why people in general don't like proxies

>>96115773
>no creatures
Explain to my 5 IQ brain how this works.

>>96115921
You win by playing spells. The more cards in your hand, the more you win.

>>96115921
He is trolling
If u really wanna start wait 2 weeks fr rotation then look at budget decks after
Rn most budget is boros convoke

>>96115939
No. I'm not trolling. There are no trolls in my deck.

>>96107899 (OP)
haha what the fuck?

>>96115654
These beginner decks are REALLY cool if you have frens and each buys one
Else wait for rotation and buy a cheap meta deck andgo to locals

>>96115971
Ahh, I love taxing my opponent's entire hand. Too bad Scrollshift is gone now. No more Pinnacle Starcage (Temporary Lockdown) bouncyboy shenanigans on a big scale.

>>96115939
>$90 deck
I take it that's the regular price for "meta" stuff? The beginner decks I linked clock in at like $10. I assume that's because they're not the current meta or especially powerful.

>>96115974
That was my plan. My friend said to get one deck of each color, learn with him (and others), and then begin learning how to blend colors.

What's the usual mode of building up a deck anyway? Start with a pre-made and then buy boosters and pray you get the good stuff?

>>96115996
If anything banning hopeless nightmare was the wrong ban. They should've banned pixie, kithkin, fear of isolation, and any other of those bounce creatures.

>>96116008
Trade buy or borrow for cards you need. Eventually you should build up sense of what’s valuable and what will maintain value and you can more or less cycle your collection of cards for what you want in the future. Just don’t get stuck with the bag on a worthless card jumped up in value during its standard tour. Most cards can’t cut it in eternal formats where the power level is higher than standard so once those cards run out their standard career they become bulk bargain bin cards

>>96112964
Trash. Avatar of Power requires one more creature for a 8/8 trample for GG.
>>96113534
Instead of making any exiled card they had to put the name of the mechanic... God the design of this set is so bad.
>>96113889
This.
>>96114701
Not good, also 0 flavor with that generic ability.
>>96114709
recoup but better because it ramps. (even if at sorcery)

>>96115916
Why even print proxies? If you want anime slop on cards, then there is the final fagasy set.

>>96116126
I'll have to learn about that (the whole cycling process) at some point. Right now though I'll focus on learning.

Is there any mono black deck that's in the $10-20 price range like those other beginner decks that would be good to learn with?

>>96114819
>fuck up an end in /edhg/ instead of her
>they have people who unironically say aetherdrift was a good set
No wonder wizard catter to edh player, they will eat all the shit wizard throw at them.

>>96116138
Doubt it. Right now black has a lot of heavy hitter cards dropping with EOE which will raise the value of other already strong black cards like dark confidant.

If a card is competitive it’s going to cost money for two reasons:
Demand
And WotC generally putting good cards in higher rarities to inflate “value”

Take it from me tho not all cards that are shown as $20 are worth that. They can turn to dust once something better is printed or it runs out of standard.

>>96116157
Thanks for the info. I'll go check out my LGS before buying online. The employees there are friendly and pretty knowledgeable.

>>96111698
yeah blightsteel is cool and all but hear me out

>>96116204
Good luck have fun. As for making sure you hold value in cards look at eternal formats and see if cards are seeing play there. If they are it’s a good indication that card will maintain some value. I wouldn’t say that goes much higher than $20 a piece though considering wizards have shown a willingness to reprint modern cards to depreciate their value. Tarmagoyf and dark confidant used to fetch very pretty pennies, $120 and $70, respectively.

>>96116288
It has a no cheat clause so it’s not vintage worthy.

>>96116310
the thing is that warp casts the card so it gets around it

>>96116327
Anon it doesn’t have warp….

>>96116354
:^) you think you're fucking funny and silly m8

>>96116310
>>96116354

Tannuk makes the card have warp in your hand, which if rules are as written, warp is technically casting and spending mana for whatever you warp.

It's not good enough for Legacy or Vintage, because why not just SnT/Tinker/Sneak Attack, but maybe Modern? IDK how fast Modern is now haven't played it in 6 years.

>>96116297

Bob and Tarm just got power crept. They'd still be expensive but they don't see play. Are they even good enough for Standard/Pioneer or whatever queer formats there are now.

I'm thinking Tolarian Terror/Eddymurk crab should become dominant in standard. Graveyard hate? Just ban it.

>>96116428
modern definitely isn't slow enough for you to play a 4 drop then pass

>>96116428
>but maybe Modern?
Illegal there because it is a card printed in a commander deck.
(It is stupid that those cards are attached to a standard legal set but were not playable in standard)

bros, i'm gonna paypig my way into vintage

>>96116892
You mean paypig your way into a thirty dollar chinaman deck?

>>96116930
nope. i'm going to paypig that 30k for a black lotus and then go watch my wife get blacked. yippee!

>>96116942
Why did they never do another black lotus clone? Just name it white lily and have the same effect.

>>96116952
because it would break the reserve list

Just make a slightly different lotus so it's not an effective reprint
BLACKED lotus
1
Artifact
Sac: Add 4 mana of any color

>>96116983
Blacker lotus lets you produce four mana if you tear up the card.

>>96116952
The reserved list agreement also includes 1 to 1 functional reprints

>>96116983
i'd buy my bull that for $50k

>>96116965
>>96117002
Fine make it 4 mana then instead of 3.

>>96116952
Lotus cobra is my favorite with this idea.
It’s not comparable in strength but with landfall and a fetchland you do create 3 mana which I just think is neat.

>>96117097
>>96117097
>>96117097

>>96114303
Reasons why it's fake.
Uses screenshot from the show.
Reusing shaman.
"Spells you cast can't be countered is above keywords."
Uses planeswalker in a Universe Beyond set.

>formats 4chan furiously and fervently hates
Pauper
>Formats 4chan WORSHIPS
Premodern, 93/94
>Formats 4chan actually plays
Pioqueer, alchemy, standard, arena draft, mtgtop 8 gooning
>Formats 4chan pretends to play
Legacy, modern, vintage, draft

Notice anything?
;)