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>Previous conclave:>>96116238>HH 3.0 Leakshttps://imgur.com/a/jYokLre
https://files.catbox.moe/98h6h7.pdf
https://litter.catbox.moe/9zh539zknqu9vqso.pdf
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N
>New Edition upon ushttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics
ใAdeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialisใ
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>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm
>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>Thread question:Reasking last one; what are you predicting for the preview? Hopes and fears?
You know they're going to release MK7 Power armor for HH at some points right anon ?
Are you going to let the Roman Empire Subtheme die ?
Post models or get the Dreadhammer
>>96121206 (OP)I predict they show the remaining miniatures they have teased but not revealed yet. Also more from the journal as if people don't know about Isstvan 5 because they gotta reel in those tasty tasty 40k players that have no idea about the setting.
>>96121206 (OP)>TQI hoping for anything SoS because the talons book is "delayed" (i.e coming out with models) but I fully expect it to be custodes with no SoS
and female custodes to be part of that too
>>96121220You just reminded me I need to get my buddy to print me some suzerain
Love the aesthetic, hate the posing on the models
>>96121206 (OP)>TQNew Cataphractii and Tartaros will be shown off. If they had no plans to show them before, they definitely do now. Also, after they show off the new Tartaros kit one of the casters will say " - and the old units will of course be in the upcoming legacies document, so you can still of course use all of your tartaros with power fists".
>>96121220>suzerain>thunderhammero i am laffin
>>96121228Been busy at work so I haven't gotten any more work done on the armada of Optae but to be honest I'm not looking forward to building fifty more
>>96121228Hermiatus works pretty well as a dark mech model. Currently waiting on two vulturaxii from zhang and some cawdor sheen birds which I intend to use as cyber-occularis because my group is going back to hh1
To anyone who has actually read the rules:
Is there anything stopping you from reacting with multiple things to one trigger?
If someone moves within 12" of me, can I move with 2 units?
If someone deep strikes in LoS, can I intercept with 3 units?
>>96121228If I could get my phone unfucked I'd post a WIP shot of Exodus
>>96121228Planning on wrapping up these bad boys by tomorrow
>>96121206 (OP)>predictingThey'll announce a book series about the Scouring, we'll also see new cataphractii and new femstodes.
>hopingSoS get multiple new kits, we see the other teased models from last stream.
>fearingSomething utterly hideous is announced today.
>>96121279I think you can do this as much as you want if you have enough units that fit the reaction's trigger and enough reaction allotment to spare.
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>>96121206 (OP)>>96121206 (OP)But Reddit told me they were the best terminators ?
>>96121340>gacha shit I know what you are
>>96121340>new femstodesI still don't know if it would be funnier for them to actually go whole hog on the doubling down or to completely sweep it under the rug model wise
>>96121279No, tou can react multiple times with multiple units to one trigger.
>>96121279RAW, nothing stops you if you have the good boy points.
RAI, they probably intended 1 reaction per action.
Talk with your group!
>>96121357Do you?
>>96121359Going whole hog would be funnier but also do more damage to the Talons brand. Hopefully we don't get lambasted in 2 hours.
>>96121262> S12 Damage 6 shot> Poor little Whyte boi T3 W1 bodiesNeed a couch edit for this one
>>96121359I think female heads are an inevitability. It would be funny though since you have people gaslighting themselves into believing it was a mistake
Consider the following: Interdiction Cadre Terror Squads
>>96121359I hope they reveal an upgrade kit with helmeted female heads, which are just slightly slimmer than the regular plastic heads.
pretty funny that they gave breachers a cool reaction but made them suck balls by having line (1) instead of line (2) so you autolose if you take them
>>96121403has to specifically be a tactical or despoiler squad
>>96121228WIP militia gun clanner grens with shotguns.
>>96121403Interdiction squads are limited to tacticals and despoilers.
>>96121206 (OP)>Reasking last one; what are you predicting for the preview? Hopes and fears?>hopes Non
>FearsNone, they all came true so i have nothing left to fear anymore. Game is getting 40ked.
>>96121440>Game is getting 40ked.The blackest pill is realizing that happened with 2.0
>>96121427I think you're in the wrong general
Was there literally any reason to take generic legion terminators in 2.0 outside of pride of the legion lists?
I really like them having vanguard in 3.0. Two 5 man units in land raiders to push line units off objectives has a place now.
>>96121443The black hole pill is realizing that the game was doomed in inferno
>>96121420Line one that lasts 2 turns is better than line 2 which only lasts 1 turn.
>>96121451yea inferno was the beginning of the end
>>96121427Your Militia world is filled with fucking Hereteks. I live it.
>>96121455Line is a bonus, though, not a flat score?
>>96121449It had a place before as well. People just insist that terminators have to fight other terminators and if they can't then there's no point taking them
>>96121448Isn't this the horus heresy general where Autek "Moonperson" Mor, sent a moon (hence the nickname) into my regiment's recruiting world?
>>96121464Yup, these are meant to be chaos androids masquerading as automata kinda like the other daemon engines did on Bodt.
>>96121427very cute beep-boops
would fight alongside them with my mech/10
>>96121491Glad to hear it, I'm sure if they weren't under control from that very WIP command section that's masquerading as loyalists over there they would actually break the lines and do that. Those Sarum eggheads should really implement more stringent engrams.
>>96121471Yeah, controlling an objective gives you X+line points.
If X>1 then 2 turns of line 1 control is better than 1 turn of line 2 control.
Even if X=1 this is still the case. Only if X=0 is this not true.
>>96121206 (OP)I think that for once GW designers theorycrafted the damage output of units for calculating their point cost rather than just being vibes.
>>96121549It must have been quite the experience for them
>>96121220Rather for Badab War than HH
>>96121340> 3.0 focuses on Drop Site Massacre > I tHiNk wE gEt BoOk oN tHe ScoUrInG!!!> Anime pic> Retarded opinion/postLike peanut butter and jelly
>>96121609>he doesn't know
>>96121427The black book describes the gunner clans on Sarum as some kind of Mad Max society and your models look like cheap not!Chappie robots. They don't fit and they don't look particularly good.
>>96121609I do acknowledge your confusion is grounded but I'm not talking about tactica journals I'm talking about black Library slop.
Era of Ruin is out so GW will be looking for some other means of ruining the lore of 30k, we'll get a Scouring series which will ruin all the post siege knowledge we have on the setting and Abaddon will be the protagonist.
>>96121621They are described as void nomad technobarbarians that were defeated by the WE and forced to live on Bodt where they left the planet either by becoming part of the world eaters or being recruited into one of the imperial army regiments supporting the 13th expedition which is my fluff for my militia. I went with a penal regiment where the actual gun clanners are used as cannon fodder and most of the advance stuff is used by barrier troops which aren't going to be gun clanners or automata so they can't rebel.
>>96121587>inb4 badab becomes a new, officially designated space marine game after gw bumfucks 30k
>>96121628Arknigs as usual prove to be retarded. Nothing new on the western front.
>>96121449>Was there literally any reason to take generic legion terminators in 2.0 outside of pride of the legion lists?Indomitus terminators were troops (support) and could be given storm shields if they were fists.
I will admit that female space marines is sort of a red line for me
>>96121681>95% of the player base is redditors playing lamentors or carcharodonsSounds like hell.
>>96121206 (OP)>HopesGeneric Tech Priest on Abayant
Tech Priest on foot with Servitors
>PredictionsThe Horus Heresy part of this stream ends up being bigger they'd initially planned because they want to try and rebuild hype after the legacies fiasco
Terminators
Charonites and maybe rapiers for Solar Auxilia
A robot for Mechanicm, maybe even two if they're lucky
They talk about Custodes, and LIgma ends up more or less revealing everything that they'll get, but they don't get shown in full and their reveals happen later in the year
Whatever the Skitarii or Dark Mech thing they teased last time is, it's still a way off and it doesn't even get mentioned on this stream
Resin character and a journal
>FearsIt's just a resin character and a journal
>>96121717You could give them proteus storm shields for any legion
>>961214492 land raiders at 265pts each just to transport your ws4 mooks is crazy
>>96121220Not until after they've done MKIV and MKV
It's gonna happen but it's like 4 or 5 years away
>>96121754>Tech Priest on foot with Servitors
>>96121722Female space marines are thematically stupid, the family dynamics of the Horus Heresy are defined by single fathers.
If women were involved in any stage of that the Heresy would have been a whole other kind of fucked up instead. Female space marines are a bad idea.
>>96121206 (OP)>Hopes:At this point, I've more or less given up on infantry models, so the longer the old models last, the better. I guess I'm holding out for the few vehicles I wanted, such as a plastic storm eagle.
>Fears:any new infantry, more doubling down on 3.0's worst parts, female cusotdes.
>Predictions:Definitely Skitarii Pilgryms, possibly new Cataphractii, decents odds of breachers or assaults too.
>>96121779>Those fucking drones are a retinue choice.What in gods name were they thinking.
>>96121725>that one executioners vs carchaodons battle where basically everyone died in a brutal melee
>10 man veteran assault squad with thunder hammers and combat shields is 400 points
Honestly, at that point I might rather just splurge on a praetorian jetbike squadron and get the extra speed, guns and a 2+ save
>>96121779Yeah I want that in plastic
>>96121762My falchion hungers for land raiders
>>96121725Bet they'll probably make up a few more chapters to participate in the conflict or hamfist non-Salamander first-founding in there. Granted, there's only like four chapters for the secessionists while about a dozen loyalist ones dogpiled on them over a decade.
>>96121810You won't get the vanguard vp
Guesstimates at price point for the plastic superheavies?
>>96121789010001100000011 hehe horrible cyborg thing go brr is pretty much the AM's whole thought process, as for why the gameplay reason, because they needed a human size model more capable than a zombie and they're niggers about Skittles
>>96121812Why? Does it come with too many bits?
>>96121823That also means they can capture objectives for more than 1 VP, which is arguably better on a super fast unit like jetbikes.
>>96121762You don't need transports to assault midfield objectives, just have a bunch of tartaros running around with LCs
If you don't keel them cheap there's not way they are going to be useful
>>96121844What's that in real money?
>>96121800>executioners made of nothing but fafnir rann conversions
>>96121847Uh, $18,000,632 dollerydoos or something
>Paragon type
>Paragon of Battle prime advantage
>Paragon Blade
D-did they run out of dog Latin words?
>>9612184711511,42 Mozambican meticals.
>>96121865I will vomit if I see another "siege" or "assault"
How do AL play in 3.0, anons? Armilus Dynat no longer gives alternative deployment to 3 units, and those units no longer bring their own dedicated transports. So no more Paramar 2.0 outflanking armoured assault, now he just infiltrates a non-Bulky thing :(
Saboteurs are restricted to using a power knife and no more combi-melta. I don't know if a meltabomb can destroy a tank in one go, which is what everyone told me Saboteurs were for.
What I do believe is power knives are +2i so you attack first in duels...but Saboteurs cannot engage in them because they're neither Commanders or (Master) Sergeants, they are Specialists.
And now that knives cost you a weapon, I don't see Lernean sarges taking them. Or Headhunters charging either. Rip their combos too Multi-melta snipers hehehe
>>96121228Just finished this, so responding to myself
>>96121355Why do they reference ID? Instant Death is gone lol
>>96121865Paragon blades and paragon of metal have been in the game for a loooong time and those make sense because they both refer to objects. The paragon type and paragon of battle came out of nowhere and the first so far appears just as a way to avoid writing primarch.
>>96121427Cute, you would be welcomed at my table anon
>>96121905I really like your IW anon; they look very iron and cool.
>>96121911>and the first so far appears just as a way to avoid writing primarch.It's so they don't have to call Valdor and Scoria primarchs.
>>96121549No, that isn't demonstrated by any of the math at all. Different units and guns are still wildly imbalanced and autocannons/missile launchers/heavybolters are complete trash.
>>96121937Autek Mor doesn't have HH3 rules, he will not have a datasheet in the Legacies PDF...
>>96121826Resin cabling is the actual worst thing ever and I wouldn't wish having to work with it upon my greatest enemy
>>96121964Tells you all one needs to know about 3.0 really.
T minus 10 minutes to FSM
>>96122019angron get ipad
>>96121206 (OP)I'm expecting Arlatax, vultarax and scyllax, as we already have their sculpts in LI. Probably betting on them being released in a combined box like the mechanicum HS one.
>>9612201940k is getting female space marines next year
>>96122028I wanted angron to get angry :(
>>96122041>ArlataxAnon, I...
Also expecting more on the fellblade i.e. the falchion and glaive. No idea if they'll be a combined kit or separate.
For SA, baneblade/stormhammer/stormblade etc. The current 40k baneblade kit is like 20 years old and due for a refresh.
>>96122058Separate off course, otherwise you would buy only one
>>96122053Lemme guess, you were gonna say the Arlatax aint in the liber. I know. I'm expecting it to be sold with the inevitable $50 book expansion down the line.
>>96122058You know I hope they have some fun options, I want stubbers and las weapons, not bolters
>>96121780The danger of female superhumans is population replacement. Despite being sterile, life uh finds a way.
Even if they give birth to regular unaugmented humans, now they no longer need to protect a frail human population for new recruits.
Champions who no longer need to protect a people they aren't a part of.
What kind of pig would you need to be to "subscribe" to the Warhammer Twitch channel. Why the fuck do they even have that turned on lol? I wonder how that money gets divvied out. Straight to the coffers, or do the talking heads on the channel have incentives based on subs?
Time for some 3.0 misery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqsb35bGVZs
https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer
Surely theyโre gonna announce theyโre fixing HH this summer preview hahaโฆ
>>96122114Hope is the first step for disappointment anons, lets keep that in mind
Cmon fix itโฆ cmonโฆ do somethingโฆ
The embers in the background are from the dumpster fire that 3.0 is.
>we'll be here for 60 - 90 minutes
Jesus wept.
Question: Why no tartaros power fists?
Already fucking up with 720p streaming....
HH White Scars are so much more stylish itโs unreal
Twitch is a few seconds ahead of youtube
>>96122150huh? tartaros were always intended as anti-aux units and so only had power weapons and lightning claws
How do you fuck up space Dwarfs. They look so bad. Fantasy Dwarfs are already pretty great, just pull from that.
The Tranny gun, if you will
The Dr eggman head is peak
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>>96122200>>96122201That's literally an Overwatch Video Game character.
>>96122200The Arkanyeist and Memberer aren't too bad. I prefer the Necromunda Squat aesthetic though.
Meh, from the silhouette he looked like a mech character. Boring.
>>96122241With enough skulls, anything can be a mech character
>>96122200Squats were already a thing but of course someone had to put their own spin to it like the nu-marks.
>Cthonian Earthshakers
>aren't from Cthonia
What did they mean by this?
>>96122279because it's greek for underground
>>96122200It's absolutely criminal how the Necromunda squats beat them.
>>96122285Why are the Norse LARPer mutant dwarves naming things with Greek words?
I dont know anons, these new minis are kinda nice
>hero's claim to fame is that he lost three times but he also escaped
Wow so cool
>>96122316Someone needs to take you out back and shoot you
>>96122114how long are the going to blather about space dwarfs.... fuuuuuu. Wake me when they said something about HH (which they won't)
>>96122316You are baiting but things are slow so here, have a (you) as a reward for making me take my eyes off those abominations.
>>96122300GW only has so many words they know.
>>96122329Ironically the only reason he would have survived that way was if he was so bad at fighting the nids didn't bother fighting him and just ate him.
>>96122329thats just drakyvac
>>96122316I don't hate the skinjacks (but they're useless in HH now that we have plastic thallax) and the robo-tactician (good base for a mech conversion)
>>96122329Hey if it's good enough for Abaddon...
>>96122340That is baby stuff, gotta have a tab open for each general to properly farm (you)
Not heard anything about Breachers yet - what's the lowdown?
This feels like a deliberate waste of time.
>>96122366Draykavac rose to the role of archmagos which is in fluff one of the hardest things to do. This is just a random hobo that was eaten 3 times.
>>96122399They did say it would only be a bit for Horus Heresy.
Oh for fuck sake move on you fat bald whorelover.
>>96122399It's an ad. Of course it is.
>>96122427i swear its like they dont even know they have a new edition coming out (even if its fucking trash)
>no HH
well, pack it up Iโm going home
>>96122475there is the mk2 assault squad in the silouhettes :^)
Why is everyone so negative what the fuck
>>96122502How new are you? I don't mean anything bad by that.
>>96122502exceptionally unrealistic expectations
>>96122502The presenters clearly don't want to talk about anything other than 40k and it sets a really negative tone over all of these reveals
>>96122502Where do you think we are?
>>961225023 POINT 0 SUCKS ASS
Are they removing comments from the youtube stream?
>>96122513Galactus top left
>>96122395They are nice. The extra bodies are just 2ppm more than a tacticals squad for +1 to status resistance, an invulnerabe save and access to the +1T reaction.
You can also put them on rhinos now so that's a much cheaper way to move them around than a termite
Line (1) is not as good as with tacticals but it's a good improvement over 2.0
So like people that defend 3.0?
>>96122502legit, are you fucking new here? I can't see anyone else asking that unless they are, or they're trollin
>>96122225Is that a space wolves freeze gun?
Cancelled my saturnine preorder and got some SA stuff instead I will hate myself having to paint all those las rifle sections
>>96122518>>96122583Not new, been around for awhile. I just find the negativity performative as fuck.
Pic related, proof of painting
>>96122232newcromunda squats were so promising compared to what 40k got.
Anyway, to return this to /hhg/, do you guys wish there was more overt discussion of abhumans in 30k?
>>96122624Same boat anon, same boat.
Fuck those marines though.
>>96122622No its a gay gun, its a gun that makes you gay, getting hit by it makes you want to collect space wolves, im sorry anon, you might be gay.
Whatever, I'll grab something to eat and watch the reveals later.
>>96122627>toxic positivity >UltramarinesName a more iconic duo :^)
>>96122660NTA but necromunda Squats looked more true to their OG theme.
Squats were meant to be like grease monkeys, think power wrench wielding mechanics that had bolt guns, not like bolter bolt guns like a gun that litterally fired out molten hot bolts.
I have long said Squats never should have came back as a full blown army, they should have been just small kits that guard can treat as upgrade units.
Have a heavy weapons team? You can upgrade it to a squat crew and get a bonus, got a tank? Pay 50 points for suqat engineers that increase its power or something.
>>96122627It's not performative, I actually am full of hatred
>>96122627One again, posting models doesn't give you more authority over anything, model posters can and do be faggots often around here
Pilk
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>>96122714im full of pilk.
>>96121962Autocanons are not trash by any mean, especially when manned by imperial fists.
I dare say they are currently the best 2W model killer there is at the moment. They even outperform lascanon against moderately armoured target, such as dread and AV 12/lower vehicles.
>>96122761>posting models doesn't give you more authority over anythingFuck you yes it does say that again, SAY THAT AGAIN MOTHER FUCKER
>>96122761>t. someone with no models to post
chorf dominator engine as a kytan y/n?
>>96122795>>96122801Posting models doesn't make you less of a faggot, if you had confidence in what you said you wouldn't rely on people foaning over you.
Keep your model posting and opinions separate, friendly advice.
>>96122827its tiny compared to a kytan
>>96122502People here only like the rose colored memories of 1.0 and any change over that is the worst thing ever made and you will never hear the end of it
Makes me wonder why no one ever talks about playing 1.0
The fantasy thread has plenty of people who prefer 6.0 and just talk about that instead of ToW.
You never get that here, it's just bitching about how awful the current edition is
>>96122761The nomodels cries out in pain even as he strikes you
Cannon in arm and mace the other and you have a deamonic leviathan
That fat bull robot looks cook
>>96122834>>96122761>foaning>can and do be faggots oftenESL retard
>>96122834 failed his Cool test
>>96122834>if you had confidence in what you said you wouldn't rely on people foaning over you.I odnt give a shit if people like what i post or not, i post what I make because i want to and my only hope is that its good enough to inspire others to want to paint their models because in a hobby like this everyone wins if more people paint their models.
>>96122873Today my grammer is better, but tomorrow you'll still be a faggot lol
This all most makes me want to play AOS
Converting Bull Centaurs into Dread Saggitary
>>96122865the chains and other details are so shitty in that model.
I don't like talking about CADslop, but that's totally CAD slop.
But yeah, it looks like a good base for daemon conversions
>>96122931>grammerApparently not good enough though.
>>96122865For the love of God anon just because something has a name that starts with chaos doesn't mean you can use it for word bearers. Just make a terrain piece with it if you really think it's cool.
>>96122795I regularly visit these threads, I can say with 100% certainy model posters are by default wrong on every issue ever. Modelposters are far too retarded to ever actually have any evidence for their arguments so they try to make up their own imaginary schizo trap cards in lieu of any actual intelligence. If they had friends in real life they wouldn't need to post their badly painted miniatures online, they'd already have enough compliments at the club itself, but they have no friends so they need to get it here.
>>96122913Cool warhound but how does it make your opinion different?
>40k and soon 30k getting mogged again
They can keep getting away with it.
>>96122947>spelling is grammar
>>96122225man votann would be cooler if they used more stuff based on DAoT stc stuff, something like an open topped not-Land Raider or Rhino with drills. They also lack a not-dreadnought.
>>96122931Tomorrow you'll still live in a third world country
>hobgrots arent slaves
Throw hlthe whole army away, stop producing new models/lore, and don't start again until you start acting like fucking adults
It's amazing how they've managed to completely removed any trace of babylonian asthetic from these models and just turned them into generic AoS bad guy dwarves
>>96123027What country do you think I live in?
>>96122985the reason votann are 0% cool is the dwarf miners aesthetic was already stolen by the genestealer cults faction.
It should have been genestealers on low gravity alien moonbases and space stations, with moonbuggies, hoverbikes and stuff - while Votann should have been the high gravity rock world mining faction with the huge drill trucks, sledgehammers, rock grinders, wheeled motorcycles and war-trains (which are used to transport mining materials in high gravity and also move heavy artillery like 256mm cannons)
>>96122704You might be onto something - I find the concept of traitor UM fascinating and I'm jaded as sin.
>>96123062IDK what country you live in, but i sure as hell know which state.
A state of perpetually being ass mad OH GOTTEM!
>>96123061>slaanesh no longer sexy at all>chaos dwarfs no longer chaosNuGW is so fucking bland.
>>96123060>>96123061I like the cannon
That's it
>>96123096IDK if the anon is here, but many moons ago the idea was being tossed around for Traitor UM, and i threw out the idea of making them all look like Visigoths and various Germanic tribes. With the idea being that they were like the Roman solider that were basically foreign legions that did not have any real tie to Rome so like a lot of their armor was not upkept all the time.
I think it would be cool as fuck.
>>96123106Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Fuck you
See you tomorrow, same time?
>>96123143Same bat time, same bat channel my fellow shitposting anon.
>>96123143Same time.
Post some models so I can identify you <3
>>96123171I can't, my wife can't know about us
>>96123137Neat historical idea. For me, it'd be more about following the UM that weren't quite onboard with the Imperium to begin with. Maybe not necessarily onboard with Horus, but more about secession.
>>96123186What ever you both do, dont go to a coldplay concert.
>>96123060Are they still responsible for creating the black orcs?
I thought he said "Check in with Christian Horner" lol
>>96121722Any female space marines we would/will get would/will be written as men in women's bodies.
>legion imperialis first shown
THEY KNOW WHO THE MONEY MAKER IS WOOOOOOOO
LIGMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
That's one solid looking whirlwind
LIGMABALLS COMING IN FOR THE KILL
>>96123279Sasuga Ligma kun
>>96123294Are we getting Deimos-Pattern Whirlwinds in 3.0?
>>96123294Horus Heresy will be all the old space marine stuff confirmed
Can't wait for mk7 and mk8
>>96123311They've dropped the legion whirlwind from legacies, so maybe
>>96123190Horus~=Brutus is right there; kill the emperor, restore the republic
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Imagine going cross country in a mastadon like an RV? It would be so comfy. Traffic? Gone. Detours? I dont think so. Enforced by aircraft? Eat this.
>>96123294>no hyperiosHope everyone's ready for that unit to disappear as fast as it was added to the liber as a mere kitbash.
>>96123344Fuck LIGMA, can't be assed posting the rest of the LIGMA shit.
Oh man the chainaxes are embarrassingly big
>>96123365That wasn't the heavy chainaxe then. Jesus
>>96123369those backpacks are retarded.
>>96123279>>96123292Anything larger than a rhino or boxnought doesn't belong in 28mm battles, fight me
>>96123372>this is a bad thing
they only come with fucking axes? are you for serious right now James. The entire pdf bullshit was how options were limited to the box
>>96123367>>96123365>These are normal chainaxes>heavier are even biggerChainaxe anon on suicide watch
Assault marines just don't look right in green.
>>96123365>people thought the axe shown was the big axe
>>96123365>they're bragging about how kitbashable the HH line is>after they just shat on all the kitbashed minisDigging even deeper.
These are going to be 60 or more for 5 aren't they.
>>96123365Didn't they already reveal these?
An entire journal for saturnine shit
>>96123411They showed a single mini prior, iirc.
>Bruh just buy the OTHER assault squad and use their weapons if you want chainswords
Yea, sure, let me get right to that
>>96123408Why would they be? You can't even field them in fives
Saturnine command squads and Saturnine Centurions confirmed
>it wont get rules its just a fun studio kitbash
>>96123414it's three units in a journal. You'll need 2-3 journals for some legions.
>Want chainaxes? Buy assault mk2
do they come with chainsword instead?
That TS paint scheme is lovely
>Saturnine Command Squad
>Saturnine Centurion
Coming in Journal Sloptica #2
>>96123406>The Scouring book series
>scouring
Ready for mk7 and mk8?
One step closer to Badab
Oh boy here's the start of our 80 book scouring series
>>96123438No
buy the assault kit and use those arms lmao give us money
Scouring guy was right. Fuck
>>96121340>They'll announce a book series about the Scouring>>96121609Apologise
>Scouring Series starts
NEVER FEAR WE'VE GOT STORIES FOR YEARS
>says that the best thing about heresy is the kitbashing and converting etc
>in the edition where kitbashing and converting was removed and kicked up a stink
he CANNOT be that out of touch
>>96121609Get owned faggot
>>96123449>another doorstopper by WraightLove to see it.
>>96123449lmao, anon called it
>I read Khorne himself ALL of my autism for CENTURIES and you were STILL late?!
>>96123477Can Wraight save the scouring?
>>96123431I wonder if there will be a more economical way to build them than just buying a ton of praetors just for weapons.
>>96123449>ScouringI FUCKING CALLED IT!
Holy shit i called it, i fucking told EVERYONE on here that this was gonna happen. Everyone told me "NO NO ANON YOUR CRAZY! ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN"
And low and behold i was fucking right AGAIN!
HH is 100% going to move into the scouring, and then become a soft reboot of 40k.
>>96123369>>96123367the 1h chainaxes are primarch-sized and look complete dogshit.
That double laurel look really stupid
>codex astartes civil war
>iron cage
what else happens
>>96123498we told you that it would suck, and we were right.
My beloved Badab, I await for your return
>>96123498>Horus Heresy may be done>Now we have 10000 years of lore before we get up to 40k!
>The book is brimming with the lore behind some as-yet unexplored events in the Horus Heresy: the Saturnine Renewal, the War of Bitter Iron between the Word Bearers and Iron Hands, and the Kolarne-Distal incident in which the White Scars and Thousand Sons turned on each other.
BITTER IRON FINALLY FUARK YEEEAAARRRRHHH
>the scouring
how long until the return of THE BIG MAN
>>96123481God that art is fugly.
>>96123498When you're right, you're right, trust your guts
t. Autismus
Get ready for bootleg looking Mk7 armour in 5 repeated poses and no weapon options in the box :^)
>>96123497fist and guns are probably the default loadout. You could just add a slab or blade to the fist for a super puncho
We are never actually going to explore the hersey
are we.
>>96123469At least its Chris Wraight
>>96123477Come on, Chris Wraight is one of, if not THE besh BL writer. He truly gets the setting and writes super well.
They should have shown these on stream. They look sick.
>40k's section starts off with 5 space marine named heroes
L M A O
>>96123508The Dark Angels fall
Yet another Imperial Fist terminator Praetor with shield
>sharmaris mk7 helmets
So cringe
>>96123551that looks pretty cool
Iron Hands finally getting something
Well the IH can pass as Gorgon-armored HQ (that doesn't exist right now)
>>96123528five marines in a razorback will always be the first thing i see when i think about space marines.
>>96123529At least it doesn't look like bad 3DCG like most Heresy covers, just bad regular art
World Eaters, we're laughing at you
>>96123572This looks like ass
GIVE ME CATO YOU CUNTS!!!
>the mega-emo haircut
CUT MY LIFE TO PIECES
>>96123601>>96123591>Scottish chapter>Japanese weaponWut
Scars Praetor on jetbike in plastic, let's go
>>96123645It looks cool anon, dont think about it too much
>>96123498The writing's been on the wall for ages, even though some frogs have been adamant the water is fine.
>>96123648>Mk X armorAnon i got some bad fucking news for you....
>>96123572Lysander is ok I guess.
>>96123591>>96123601Nice for IH to get a character. Bit surprised it's 'ot their de facto chaoter laster though. Also, Avernii are supposed to have oaths all other their armour with black wax to represent their failures, starting with the death of Ferrus. Neat piece of lore from the Guymer books but still, something for IH players.
>>96123431These guys teleport into your back lines. What's in your list to stop them ripping you a new one?
>>96123498you'd have to be retarded to not see that coming
>>96123666Thanks satan, but fuck it feels good always being right. Even when i dont like the truth of what im right about.
>>96123445Is this...just the Praetor kit?
>>96123693>You would have to be retarded>The average 40k and HH playerWe are playing the same hobby right anon?
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>>96123648>MKX>Repulsor tech bike(it cant actually fly, needs ground to push off to float)
>>96123551very nice, can't wait to play 3.0 with these bad boys while the over the hill grognards cry about it
I hope they let us run double fist saturnine in the book.
>>96123713>Lion White knuckling his sword>"God i wanna punch that faggot in the mouth."
>>96123689A movement value above 5
>>96123648>40k has jetbikesI'm tired boss
>>96123475So do you prefer scouringanon, or scouranon?
So that's why they've been throwing C&D to anyone making cosplay items
>>96123713>Khan alive and angry>Russ in the back looking uselessbased
There's so much to hate about this hobby nowadays.
>>96123551>here's your warpfire plasma bro I love having my options sold back to me
>>96123713>holy fuck are you retards already fighting again
>>96123713>sassy blood angelsmake sense, considering that your dad is dead
>>96123481possibly the most homo energy in any 40k art
>>96123779primaris slop eaters ruined 40k
>>96123781Why are you surprised, they literally told you they were going to do this in the PDF announcement yesterday.
You dont get to act shocked when they literally told you they were going to be slapping you in the nuts.
>>96123648>literally just an outrider bike conversionSuch creativity.
No....not the kill team box...
>ligma
>assault squad we already knew about
>characters
>saturnine upgrades
Extremely weak showing. Particularly next to chaos dwarfs.
>>96123713>"Man fuck all this, I'm going back to Caliban.">"I miss Luther."
>>96123812The terrain is pretty cool, we know what to aspect when ZM comes out
>Deathwatch with the chapter pads painted black
Way to take any personality out them, geez
>>96123785does the scouring include the khan being turned into vect's fleshlight?
The Deathwatch has been shartmaris'd
Press F to pay repsects
>>96123803Bro, had they gone with a brand new design, people would have complained about it not resembling the 40k aesthetic.
This makes sense, Cawl came back with an anti grav design they can duplicate, they slapped it on the standard bike and called it a day.
>>96123830Deathwatch will NEVER get a soulful release as soulful as Killteam Cassis was.
now THAT was a good fucking box.
>>96123830>all except the Ultramarinelmao.
>>96123785>khan lost an eyeOdin Russ...
>>96123823Chorfs might take the cake for ugliest AoS line for me.
>>96123845Greyknights are the last bastion
>>96123823chorfs were a disgrace anon, Flesh Eaters is were its at
>>9612375840k has had jetbikes since the Eldar, and then the Custodes had jetbikes
why do dorn's sons all look like that??
>>96123611Im so fucking angry
>>96123862I thought they were pretty predictable but decent. I liked the bull centaurs and the cannon.
>>96123863Draigo is gone, I was hoping that they would show a new model but he has truly been lost to the warp....
>>96123899>Draigo gone>Cato goneI miss Matt
>>96123648>Primaris shitNOT
HERESY
>>96123878its ok bro its a 4 turn game, you werent getting into combat anyway
>>96123900>Female robot>Long buglike body107,000 entries on rule 34, no less
>>96123846Primarisfag disapproval doesn't matter, I've seen what they approve of. They'll buy anything GW puts up, so might as well make something nice for the rest of us.
>>96123914Cato isn't gone. He now has super PTSD and leads Guilliman's Victrix guard. He's actually interesting in the Dark Imperium trilogy.
>necrons, votann
Am I in 30 or 40k?
>>96123824Didn't Guilliman and Dorn go at it when Guilliman revealed his Codex, and that was years after the Heresy. Meanwhile, Lion returned to Caliban to get bonked right after the Heresy.
>>96123941I meant his model
>>96123950Well their was fuck all for heresy.
Nice, no need to spend any money on any of these releases
So what I donโt understand is that whatโs the point of soft rebooting from the scouring which is back to 40k? That would make two games that are 40k? Do I understand correctly that HH is gonna transition into something else? Iโm confused.
>>96123900Does she have fat robot tits?
>>96123956Yes, but that comes later.
>>96123481 has the dialogue correct.
>>96123956Yeah post terra, Lion went back to Caliban because he remembered he left his dad on read the entire time and then got bonked.
Guliman anounced the codex and pissed a lot of people off, and funny enough Russ and the wolves out right said LOL go fuck yourself we are not doing this.
Dark angels said oh ok sure we will totally follow this *wink* and then proceeded to make chapters that totally did not follow the command of the grand master of the legion
>>96123957he'll get some dogshit primaris interdemptor model or someshit next year. he'll be dual wielding knives and jumping off a rock
I think chainaxes are pretty neat and all but making an assault squad without chainsword just feels wrong, man
>>96123986No you gibbering dolt. Its just a new black library book series. Not a game.
>>96123986they are never going to move 30k into the scouring. the scouring book they showed is some shitty novel from black library
>>96123900Anon, I hate to tell you but half the necron range are female. Especially the warriors. They were drawn off the population of normies.
>>96123926Watch me squeeze 20 Assaults into a 6" radius
>>96123900>>96123928Fans done a better job long ago.
>>96123986It's only BL that's moving on the the scouring, we probably won't get any scouring content until like 5th edition
>>96124008Just buy both kits and use Mk VI arms on your Mk II marines bro.
that new raven guard model is female btw
>>96124014I said this in response to the anon saying HH was going into a soft rebooting of 40k. Presumably with xenos? To me it seemed ludicrous.
>>96123986HH probably won't become the Scouring, that'll probably be a spin-off.
Also, the Scouring era is very different from Heresy AND 40k, it has xenos as bit players but the Loyalists win handily in the end, leading to an era of peaceful complacency broken by The War of The Beast.
>>96123972>Just wait for the Legacies pdf
>>96124029Stupid sexy necrons
>>96124046No hes just British
>>96123713>Leman Russ: I can't see shit, please lower your hammer, Vulkan! Please!
>no new cataphractii
what the fuck
>>96124063Now its wait for the new plastic kits.
>>96124046raven guard have always been female
big titty goth praetor when?
>>96124089I was gonna say
>you might see some options traded for other options
more like
>we'll blindfold an intern, give him a shotgun and set him lose in one of our warehouses
>where his shots land we'll remove every single option
>if the heat from the pellets fuses two kits together you'll get that option
>>96124032>>96124059Thanks anons. I love HH and donโt want to see it go. We have so many kits yet that need to be in stock (lol) and new kits to move to plastic.
>>96124076One is 55CC cm high, the other is 39.
>ADB gets to write his Sevatar book
>>96124114I wonder which is which
>>9612411840k designers chickening out on releasing corax too far into development so we got a BL character.
>>96124076You're on thin fuckin ice there, anon
>>96124149I'm just assuming, he said Sevatar's story wasnt over
>>96124076>should we bring back corvus corax?>nah
those chainaxes look retarded
>>96124144true, that's way too ornate to be a non-primarch sculpt. This definitely originated as a prototype of Corax but they decided just headswap it and release it as-is.
Anyone do a mockup of the Saturnine termis in TSon colors?
I know the dread was
>>96124206There's one up the thread, it actually looks pretty good.
>>96123713>nobody noticed corax missingWhere the fuck is Corax?
>>96124118Primaris scale crept so much in-setting that the leader of the RG now gets to wear his primarch's armour.
>>96124144>>96124187even the whole "h-hes the new chapter master the other guy just retired or something!" is a retarded asspull even by gw standards
>>96124008Nah, heresy is the time of chainaxes, anon.
Too bad they suck though lol. +1S for -1i. Especially in an edition where you might tolerate -1S for that sweet +1i
>>96121206 (OP)So has this edition moved away from the whole take your time this is a historical type war game?
>>96124089Shit you're right. What in the actual. We didn't even see the skitarii looking thing, nor more on the Fellblade.
>>96123397Melee weapon upgrade box, plus the Mk VI Assault Marines. :-3
>>96124229Fucked off to the sadness tower
>>96124229they are retconning it so corax dies
>>96124089We got literally nothing, they revealed the Assault Squad last time
>>96123551is that a Black Sun on the legs lmao
I choose to believe this new RG chapter master begun his design life as corax not because it is true, but because it is funny
>>96124029>Haydee tombworld
>>96124221Oh nice
>>96123445 does look good
I don't see it any of the articles, is it a conversion of the Praetor?
>>96124240Yep, bird-up corax was definitely slated for this. Wonder why they changed it?
>>96124256No, we found out we need to pay $40 for the rules for a Saturnine Centurion
>>96124076I guess Corax could use more leather and feathers, not gonna lie
>>96124170Luckily, you can swing heavy chain axes 1 handed, so I know what I'm doing: fuck scale creep.
>Weโll meet a new cast of characters, including bitter Iron Warrior Ortag Theokon, zealous Word Bearer Adraharsis and Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines, Prayto. Expect grand battles, bloody revenge and political intrigue... as the series unfolds and rivals vie for power.
>>96123713>RG: Listen, Brother, there are simply too many marines in a Legion, we need to break them up into smaller independent forces to protect the Imperium from itself.>RD: I am no cuck to be locked in a metal cage!>CV: Numbered Mistakes. This meeting is clearly keeping me from performing my duties oiled up and in my underwear for 10k years. As the Emperor would have seen us punished.>V: Does anyone else here realize that Dad, just regenerates back to full health when killed?>LR: I wish my legion had enough members to have an opinion about this argument.>JK: Could you two at least wait until my eye heals to start a second civil war.>LJ: For the first time in my life I miss trees.
>>96124076>tactical treeBecause it's a bird.
>>96124166>>96124144That can't have meant to be corax, he is a shadow monster in 40k
>>96124297sound like itll be shitty even by black library standards
>>96124318>implying the design team knows any of the lore anymore
>>96124282Why the fuck are Saturnine Centurions and Command Squads in a separate book previewed before the core army has even been released
Mk2 Assault
>Every Space Marine can be equipped with a chainaxe and bolt pistol, while the kit also includes optional combat shields which can be swapped out for the pistols. On top of that, there are two each of the following weapons: power mauls, heavy chainaxes, volkite serpenta, disintegrator pistols and melta bombs, along with a variety of other grenades, holsters and pouches.Journal Sloptica
>three asymmetrical Onslaught Missions, two new Legiones Astartes Detachments, and new profiles for a Saturnine Command Squad, a Centurion in Saturnine Armour and, for the Word Bearers, the Phraetus Anointed Conclave (>>96123551). There is also an Arcana Upgrade for a Thousand Sons unit clad in Saturnine Armour.
>>96124337what you should be asking is why is the official way to make the unit "just buy 3 praetors lol"
>>96124297>a 14 year war spawned a 50 book seriesHow long was the scouring? How much time do they have covor now?
It's a doubled 5 man sprue isn't it
>>96124348>remove terminator armour from centurions>sell saturnine armour as DLC >remove warpfire plasma from word bearers>sell warpfire plasma saturnine as DLC
>>96124318Only because he wanted to be, he took several forms in his fight with Lorgar
>release terminators with plasma weapons
>announce two legion terminator units
>Thousand Sons
>Word Bearers
Where's my fucking Naufragia, James!?
>>96124384ofcourse. it also doesnt come with chainswords
>The army lists in the Liber books are a reflection of the current range of miniatures. They are written to reflect the contents of boxed units, so new players can build armies without feeling the need to buy multiple kits just to make one unit.
>Just buy 3 praetors gweilo
AHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA HOLY FUCK HHAHAHSHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>96124446>>96124363erm teknikally you only need TWO praetors and a command squad
>>96124396>>announce two legion terminator units>>Thousand Sons>>Word BearersWhere is this announcement?
>>96124412That's ok, they're just going to be yet more destroyers
>>96124376Guilliman is put in a coma a hundred years after Horus' death and the First Black Crusade happens about 700 hundred years after the HH. Dorn dies in that, so I imagine that'd be the very last thing we see, and probably as a distant epilogue.
Dropping marines for SA and using my remaing marine stuff for my silly little Christian word bearers army
>>96124385Time to get into 3.0 when 4.0 launches and you can get the 3.0 GOTY edition with all the DLC and patches.
>>96124446why would gw, a model company, who has always stated that they are a model company, and uses the legal defense of "we're a model company, not a rules company" be concerned about someone BUYING MORE
>>96124473What I need is to stop laughing because it took embarassingly long for me to type this. You really can't make this shit up.
Are those WBearer saturnines a legion specific upgrade kit? The heads look different and I can't tell if those runes are modeled on
Followup, does that mean the TSon mention would also have an upgrade kit?
>>96124522Those are the alt heads in the existing kit and it's all decals
>and thatโs all before we get to the rules content:
>three asymmetrical Onslaught Missions,
>two new Legiones Astartes Detachments,
>and new profiles for a Saturnine Command Squad,
>a Centurion in Saturnine Armour and,
>for the Word Bearers, the Phraetus Anointed Conclave (see below).
>There is also an Arcana Upgrade for a Thousand Sons unit clad in Saturnine Armour.
interesting
>>96124493Option A: buy 3 HQ-level characters like a good goy
Option B: print
They could at least pretend they are a viable alternative with a less insane price
>>96124535Thanks anon
I thought they were pushing the termis hard with upgrade kits already being pushed out
>>96124385>remove terminator armour from centurions???
Centurions have both a cataphractii and tartaros option in the libers
>>96124446>>The army lists in the Liber books are a reflection of the current range of miniatures>The non liber books aren't and are designed for you to kitbash models upYeah? And?
>>96124546Option C: buy a recast to recast more from.
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>>96121228Can I shit on the new edition yet?
>>96124384These are pretty much custom made for WE, even the shields are perfect for their legion icon.
They only need a naked 40k berzerker head with the nails for the sergeant
>>96124384>>96124241>. +1S for -1i. Especially in an edition where you might tolerate -1S for that sweet +1iAre you going to use chainaxes, anons, now that they are sidegrades?
>>96124474An offhand comment somewhere on warcom. If it's not there now, it probably got shoahed for revealing something early.
>>96124076He looks like a gundam
>>96124594Finally a kit with a maul
>>96124594wtf is that salamander so smug about?
>>96124566If we go by your post it's even funnier because it implies that people are going to have to wait several months for something like seekers with sniper rifles and they are going to have a faux latin name like Sniporex Seekers. My sides are currently saturnine because they left this earth and are currently there.
>>96124229Locked in his room listening to My Chemical Romance
What unit shall I mathammer next ?
Ranged weapons only, preferably something that could be point efficient against a specific target.
>>96124624>Laughing because GW did what they said they were doingOkay?
>>96124624>Sniporex SeekerHighly likely
>>96124559Oh shit that dent on Dorn's shoulder is from when he fought Alpharius :O
>>96124574drill ya barrel
dab yer nuln oil
>>96124594Are the torsos the same size as the old resin ones?
>>96124482Dorn getting torn to pieces by masses of shit-smeared cultists would be an absolute kino ending. However I have zero faith in GW in committing to actually killing him for good.
>>96124594They also make a good basis for Ashen Circle
>>96124546I assume your pic is an STL already widely available?
>>96124634outriders, plasma vs equal points in bolters
>>96121206 (OP)Did the ligma vid portion show or talk about any of the rebalancing?
>>96123551WORD BEARERS WIN AGAIN
>>96124624>>96124646Better faux latin than something primaris like "Seeker Interdictors"
>>96123710Yes, kitbashed with a regular termi so he's got guns.
>>96123713>All the other Primarchs looking on like cucks while Dorn and Guilliman shape the future.
>>96124634Veteran tactical squad loadouts please
>>96124634I wish you had included Headhunters next to the Seekers. At their cost, Banestrike seems to be not that far away from regular fucking Tacticals lmao
>>96124567Option D: not running Fatturdswine units
>>96124229>>nobody noticed corax missingThat is his special skill
I'd like to use this guy in Horus Heresy...
but that bike...
>>96124651it actually is drilled, I didn't oil cos its just an old test model.
>>96124745I wouldn't, not even if GW gave me enough to buy a small country in other models. That said recasting should be more common considering we are going to see a lot of older models go away from recasters too.
>>96124229If Corax comes in there, they'll all turn to him and say "Look who finally decided to leave his room"
Should I buy up all the old cataphractii before they go out of production?
>>96124796No, they're still ugly
>>96124731Fukken neat. Any chance you could share? I have some of Wilph's stuff if you want.
>>96124674Bro it has been available since MAY.
>>96123498People on actual reddit have been calling this for several years.
>>96124756Remember when Jetbikes were a thing only the Dark Angels had in 40k?
I miss that.
>>96124822> go cults3d> search saturnine > arrange by date> ten trillion results https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/dreaded-saturnaught
>>96124756Depending on how the model is actually put together, you could put him on a scimitar/golden keshig bike, snip off the knee flanges, swap the backpack and be 99% of the way there to a praetor
>>96124848buy an ad, faggot
>>96124796I have 10 cata sitting unassembled from the AOD 2.0 box
>>96124843I don't, it was retarded, and jetbikes are cool.
>>96124229oh hes there alright
>>96124872No
Why would I buy an ad for something that isn't mine
This one has presupports
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/heavy-robot-cronus-doc_demidov/makes
> 792 downloadsLmao
>>96121228i comply for the warmaster
>30k reveals
>literally just the same exact unit we got last reveal with no new info or images
>didn't even show the breachers this time
Why are they both pretending to bolt summat
>>96121228Thought I might try metal over grey primer to get a brighter finish, not happy with him, will paint strip and start again later
>>96124924MkII Thousand Sons look pretty good.
You've now made me torn on how to paint mine.
>>961248487,50 for a turd, lmao
>>96124952>God damn it, dad...not again...
>>96124952He's imagining the weight of Guilliman's balls in his hand.
>>96124796Yes, I think so. This would have a really valuable public benefit, preventing newcomer players from buying into a bad old kit that's going to be getting a fire replacement soon.
>>96124957Doesn't seem like anything you need to strip to fix, it's just a flat base coat. Give it a wash and do some highlights, I think you'll be happier with the outcome than you might imagine.
Don't give up!
>>96124980I'll keep going and see what hapoens
>>96124924Nice
I'll probably do white shoulders
>>96124240wait he is the new chapter master? they literally yarricked Shrike?
I missed the stream how many bodies come in the assault squad box? 10?
>>96121228I only have a pair of legs built so far (that still need sanding and gap filling), so maybe he already got dreadhammered
>>96125006Shrike stepped down to being just a captain again, which granted was always what he said he'd do (not that alot of people even read nu-40k lore)
The new chapter master is the same Raven Guard guy who helped Uriel Ventris from The Chapter's Due
>>96124600>now that they are sidegradesYou know that you can think these things through rather than just assuming the GW saleswhale is correct, right?
>>9612500810, yeah. All chain axes + 2 power mauls + 2 heavy chain axes and a few sergeant pistols, like the disintegrator
If you want chainswords, you need the Mk6 despoiler/assault kit arms.
>>96125030I play world eaters so all chainaxes sounds good to me :^)
>>96125043You are 100% good to go then.
Cheap veteran assault squads with chain axes actually seem like decent tactical/despoiler killers.
They don't break the bank like TH vets, but are still pretty damn decent against their intended targets and so will likely get their Vanguard (3) scoring points.
>>96123713Ol Raldoran prompted into big boi club
Have our reddit gods told us what our opinion on the new releases should be yet?
People have been coming here to shit blood in pure anger on their behalf, so assumably they'll download their next opinion shortly.
>>96123923Retards like you make me want to use primaris in heresy
>>961250088x male 2x female
>>96125097There were primaris in SoH colors published in White Dwarf, it's an officially endorsed practice.
>>96125107Possibly the lowest point in HH history
>>96121905excellent painting, and viewport glacis being replaced with metal is very on-brand
>>96125107The only mix of 30k and primaris I'll even consider accepting is "They kidnapped this legionaire, experimented on him to the point of near death, stuck him in a stasis tube and now he's a primaris in M42"
>>96125117Give it a bit and GW will show us how someone can go even lower.
>>96125098No, anon, 2x4 Male and 2x1 Female. Don't get the guy excited about getting 10 different sculpts.
>>96125054Points add up quick on them, though. 230 for 10, 280ish for Shields and a few toys, but 330 for 10 LCs gets no shields, so 350 for power weapon + shield or an eyewatering 400 for 10 THs+shields...
>>96125166That's why you keep them basic, and use their speed + anti-grav to pick good matchups.
230 points for a unit that will beat a 200 point 20 man tactical squad no problem is a great trading piece.
>>96125184I'm looking at 278; 9 Shields, LC sergeant, 4 heavy chaxes.
>>96124946Well we did confirmation those are regular chain axes. I'm sure that one anon is having an aneurysm.
I'll wait fir it to dry and fix up that cross and add some more depth and he should be okay
>>96125232I don't think you necessarily need full shields, but they're not super expensive to fill out either.
LCs don't seem that amazing in 3.0, but a master sergeant with a power weapon may very well be worth the investment for sure.
Regardless, I think you get a lot of unit for 278 points. Fast, 20 WS5 wounds so pretty resistant in melee against almost everything. They could be a real pain to deal with, and are exceptionally dangerous to the lone 10/20 man tactical squad on a back line or side objective, something that can be a game-clinching difference with their Vanguard (3)
>>96124796Nah, I sold mine knowing the new cata would come. As long as the new design doesn't have the stupid half heads, I'm happy.
>>96121228Here's Corax I painted the week after he came out however long that was. I forgot I threw him up there when I got my army out for storage.
>>96125277>master sergeant with a power weapon may very well be worth the investmentYeah, with +2A for the breach/render hitting at Init; +1A for the Prime, too; then everyone follows up with higher str hits, should be good
>>96125328Even if they're all attacking with i-1 weapons, going into a 20 man tactical squad they'll only take 1 wound on average, and then kill 5 tacticals in return winning the combat by a *lot*, giving you a very reliable routed status on the enemy and triggering your vanguard (3).
Plus fuck the haters, I think the giant jetpacks and axes look neat.
Tacticals are good, but they're more vulnerable in melee than ever in 3.0. I think despoilers may still end up being the more popular choice, because they're still Line (2), but are more threatening to melee units trying to get them and with a master sergeant they can have a little bite.
Master sergeant on tacticals just seems like a waste, you only get 2A where a despoiler sarge would get 3A.
>>96125018Kind of a weird lore development, I wonder why they did that, was Shrike unpopular or what?
>>96125491They wanted a fancier looking guy to be chapter master.
>>96125119Yes, that was entirely intentional, and not because I'm a lazy prick
>>96125491I think nobody actually read his newer lore, because the codex has straight up said he was going to stay as chapter master only until he could find a replacement since he got his new model years ago.
>>96125491Shrike states in every single publication since becoming chapter masters that he doesn't want the job. All the way back to 6e or 7e when he became chapter master. He never wanted it and and just wants to lead the third company and rapid strike all day. For GW this was a way to have a way to bring back Corax or shill a new OC. Which they did.
>>96125491It was always kind of weird we got the Raven Guards Chapter Master as the obligatory Primaris character, along with Korsarro and the Iron Hands guy. He's not really a centerpiece model
>>96123713why is the lion even there? he never knew the codex even existed he wouldn't have been around for an argument about how to implement it
>>96125594The codex was made a century after the HH, this is immediately post siege where Dorn (And Khan apparently) is ripping Guilliman a new asshole for being late
>>96125608Looking better already, do a mid-tone silver and then a highlight of bright silver and he'll be looking great
>>96125623Cheers, I'll do that when i get the paints
>>96124657>shit-smeared cultistsThey were black legionnaires, but I agree with you he should die.
>>96125666Just always remember, unless you really cake the fucker in paint, you can almost always fix it with some clean up. You'll feel better perservering than giving into frustration by starting over.
>>96125605Even after all Dorn saw he still doesn't grasp the warp. What a dumbo
>>96125668Lmao. Rhino camper.
>>96125688He managed to do what Horus himself couldn't, and tell a Chaos God to its face to fuck off (For an entire century)
>>96124657isn't it canon already?
>>96124384I really like how these guys look. Might get them for my NL, either them or some recast raptors.
Not a fan of the weapons, but id need to change them either way. Big axes also make good headsmans.
>>96124634IF dont get a benefit for the arakne, its a vehicle
>>96124634The hell does EFF mean. It cant be efficiency since the cheaper rapiers have a lower one when they do more damage than the more expensive lascannons.
>>96125681I will keep that in mind
>>96125766Looks like it's the number of points spent per wound inflicted, so lower is better
>>96121905Could I get a paint scheme / guide for your IW anon? I'm thinking of doing a loyalist contingent to go with my AL
>>96125405Tactics got +50% ranged damage when camping an objective. Despoilers lost an attack, shred and spite of the legion. I doubt anyone is going to take despoilers just to sit them in an objective. With rhinos more expensive you might as well take assault marines if you want that profile
>actual new Legion Imperialis content
>it's a fucking Mastodon, my favorite model I'll never have in full sized heresy
What... what is this feeling?
>>96125823>I doubt anyone is going to take despoilers just to sit them in an objective.>With rhinos more expensive you might as well take assault marines if you want that profileThey're the only other Line (2) marine unit in the game, if they get to sit on an objective all day they'll win you the game.
So what role designation would saturnine terminators take in the fluff? Are they like linebreakers? Artillery support? What kind of company (or in my case chapter) would have them rocking around? I want to try and build a fluffy force of them since I like the way they look + it seems like the WB's took a shining to them
>>96125869I'm very happy for you anon but I am certain that you can already find pretty much every unit from third parties already
>>96125921They're probably split between the shooty ones and the melee ones.
They're heavy assault slots, so doctrinally they're probably not considered much differently than normal terminators.
>>96123516>the War of Bitter Iron between the Word Bearers and Iron HandsGet on with it, metal mittens. Rad-bomb those shitheads back into the stone age. Fuck them up.
>>96125921they are trashcans
>>96125921Short-range heavy fire support and highly durable anchor unit
>>96125869THe feeling of being a retard. You can a superior one for $13 and 3 hours.
Printfags are the vegans of wargaming
>>96125993Of all the things to do proontard over I think a mastodon might actually be the most fucking retarded one I've seen, even worse then a titan because the interior details and doors actually matter and on the outside it's mostly big flat panels
>>96126027Can confirm, I was a printfag before getting a good recaster and tried printing out a Mastodon - like 99% of Warhammer third party stls, looked like garbage in person even with a good print.
Tore it to pieces and am now in the process of turning it into terrain
>>96126027Did they say if the plastic one has opening doors and detailed interior? Because the Wireframed one does
>>96124623He's holding a chain axes and takes pleasure in the knowledge of how much this upsets WEfags.
>>96122865this looks like an ugly warmachine model
>>96126080>Implying there were good looking warmachine modelsLol. Lmao, even.
>AoS gets ANOTHER new faction
>Immediately get a kill team for it
>Old World gets some hot skellies
>40k gets some boring special characters
>Kill team where the mindless drones are cooler than the space marines
>HH gets a preview of a kit that was already revealed
>LIgma gets some stuff that should have been released months ago
Space marine bros it's so over
>>96126099I've been tempted by some of the new ones honestly
>>96126134>>Immediately get a kill team for itIt's just Underworlds. It's not a huge deal.
>>96124971The old ones are clearly superior though. Less is more.
>thousand sons' gambit is to use their WP for focus
>those who win focus get +1 and fights first
>focus is a d6 + modifiers
Am, am I insane, or is this absolutely fucking busted?
>>96126211Underworlds tends to have some good character sculpts
>>96126134>LI What pisses me off is GWs own fucking incomitance is killing this game.
Its a good fucking game, but holy fuck they released the damn thing half fished in every aspect
>>96126217It's worse than finishing blow no point in ever picking it
>>96126217If it wasn't a gambit, it would be pretty cool. In effect, it lets you guarantee a 9 (ish) on your focus roll, but getting above a 9 on a focus roll isn't that insane for other HQs and they get whatever bonus their own gambit does.
What happened to the folder with the 1.0, 2.0, LI, and imperial armor books? Did I miss something?
>>961263293.0 is coming out and out of solidarity with GW and /ourguy/ pardo hhg is only playing 3.0.
>>96126329People kept spam reporting it so much the mega folders got taken down faster than the anon managing it could re-upload it all. He's waiting until after the release of 3.0 in hopes that everybody has calmed down enough that a new mega archive will be left alone.
>>96126357>>96126353Thank you very much!
>>96125921Says they are heavy assault bro
>>96125689Tanks are cramped, but I hope the Rhino Camper is comfy enough to live in n.n
>>96126259>>96126320I figured it out; I was thinking focus is just d6 + stuff like duelists edge, I forgot it also added initiative
>>96126432It helps that it lets you still roll before deciding to take the WP characteristic instead, but an I5 model with no other modifiers will roll an 8 or 9 on average rolls, so it can be a bit of a trap option depending who you're fighting.
>>96125823>With rhinos more expensive you might as well take assault marines if you want that profileOh shit how the turns have tabled
>>96125871I think there will be merit in Line 2 Despoilers supporting Vanguard X units in an assault. Both cooperate to win combat, one Pursues and the other one Consolidates idk
>>96126018Antiprintfags are the closested homosexual bald-beard bacon-grill men of wargaming.
>>96126449Maybe it helps slower characters? Like the ones wearing Heavy armour (or i4 Saturnine), wielding power fists and such
>>96126455With the increased durability and mobility I think 60 points is still rather cheap for what Rhinos provide.
>>96126406Out of curiosity, I got pissed at Pardo's awful fucking takes during the ugly/bad/good vid. What was the "fuckpardo" thing before about?
>>96126486My issue is that land raiders look cooler, so I have no burning desire to get metal bawkses.
>>96125823>Despoilers lost an attackWhat you mean? The got +1 attack on their statline compared to 2.0, but lost dual wield bonus. End result is same number of attacks.
>>96126217it's largely a pointless gambit. If Thousand Sons want to go first, just take Divination psychic which gives a passive initiative 8 for Magnus in duels. 8 and add highest of 2d6 will normally be at least 12 which is the same as Magnus willpower after legion trait, except Outside Support from the rest of the bodyguard squad will bump the non-gambit focus up 1-4. The only time to pop the gambit is near the end of a fight when magnus squad is massacred and magnus is wounded with 1 wound remaining, then you can't survive going last and the willpower gambit skips the negative wounds modifiers giving a chance to maybe win focus.
>>96123645>Power maul.>Power maul, Japan.
>>96126490I wasn't involved but I say fuck Pardo because he used an ad hominem in the whole social media shit storm and that is the lowest of lows (even assuming the guy he talked to was the leaker which makes it twice as bad). I blocked his channel, he is a pathetic character. Fuck him. I don't care what the rest was about. It never took it seriously and found it actually quite entertaining to see the messages all over the leaks, it made my day. But the ad hominem nailed his coffin. Fuck him. I enjoyed the Dark Angel batreps before. But fuck him now.
>>96126455>I think there will be merit in Line 2 Despoilers supporting Vanguard X units in an assault.Same, if the unit you're attacking falls back after losing combat then Vanguard (x) goes off, then your unit with Line (x) scores. They work together well.
All they need to fix heavy terrain:
1) The "no line of sight" rule gains an exception for declaring charges
2) You cannot fire barrage weapons out of heavy terrain
Bam, it becomes a "No Shooting Allowed" death zone, except for having barrages dropped on it.
>>96126239Feels like that's the issue for every GW product now a days.
>>96125022I didn't even watch the thing, anon. If an option is loses one thing to gain another, I'll call it equivalent. And if on top of that it's also free, a sidregrade
>>96126490when the leaks frist dropped like 3 weeks ago people were saying that the edition sucked and pardo sperged out defending GW and arguing with people on his little live chats so they started saying fuck pardo and he had a meltdown. then 2 weeks later he made his video, an attempt at backtracking.
basically hes a retarded manlet goblin who shills for GW
>>96126515>lost charge attack >lost Sergeant attack >lost spite of the legion They'll still probably beat tacticals but not much else, especially due to also losing pride for bogging down big models with low attacks (although tacs lost that too).
>>96122865wow that looks worse after seeing it zoomed in. Ugly fat nurgle belly is not killer minontaur at all. Lifeless zero-motion chain skirt and shoulder tassels. Legs built like that would only move at 2-3 miles per hour like slowzombies. Head looks absolutely tiny and unnoticeable between the belly and shoulders. Little chaplain hammers like the cow thinks it's Erebus, huge downgrade over a 10 foot 2h axe which looks capable of chopping a dragon's head off on old bullgore. Lame robot thing so no fear of a huge angry beastman with razor sharp teeth trying to chew your arms and legs off and eat them mid-fight. The primarily symbol of Hashut is on his nutsack, that's how worthy of worship his "god" is.
>>96125266He looks really cool. Like his right hand was all a mass of deadly knives. I suppose it is
>>96126515No extra attack on the charge. 3 was the norm before for units who's whole thing was charging
>>96125518>He never wanted it and and just wants to lead the third company and rapid strike all day.Chad. We really go Corvin Severax 2.0. That and all RG look very similar to each other. Bunch of Sasuke chapter
>>96126625The raven guard high command room has 10 corners so each captain can lurk in one
>>96126632*whispers* Sir, that was the plan, but the Hot Topic was unable to get a permit for that many corners, the Orange Julius refuses to budge.
>>96126559Naw bro. Let it block LoS through it, but not to it. Let regular shots be able to target a unit inside it โ they have a 4+ cover save, they can take it
>>96126658That's pretty much effectively what medium cover already does, except 5+ save
>>96126603yeah. also chainswords are shitty now
>>96126581>They'll still probably beat tacticals but not much elseOmg you just made the best argument for slow chainaxes over the faster chainswords: weather attacks from non-melee units in order to deliver a devastating counterattack.
That and routed units attack even slower anyways lol
>>96126575Thanks for the info. I already got the impression he was a manlet twat when he pulled said "just snap those weapons off!" and the dickish condescending sad music and fake tears.
>>96126632>Decagonal war roomFund it
>>96124076Raven Guard really went "Hey! Those Space wolves wolf a lot. What if we Raven as much as they wolf?"
>>96126666This. I feel AP- Shred 6 has no real target. Poorly armoured hordes are single wound, Multi wound models are heavily armoured
>>96126700They really responded to the Caw in Father Cawl
Bets on saturnine centurions being able to take the deep strike transponder wargear?
>>96126710One might suspect they changed shred because they wanted rid of rerolls, but didn't actually consider the full implications thereof.
>>96126700Blame the law. It requires them to either display 3 animal totems or else they have to wear a huge retarded looking sign on top of their shoulders which says their Legion and prevents them from ever entering any doors.
Lysander went with the retard-banner because he has no animal option. Vulkan he'stan is already wearing enough salamander parts he didn't need to, but he went with retard-banner anyway out of solidarity.
>>96126716I always felt less was more for RG.
I can't get over how the HH reveal was a unit that had already been revealed and just further emphasized how World Eaters are being stripped of character
>>96126581>Lost spite of the legionSure, but I can counts the number of times I've seen that rule come into effect on one hand.
Losing heart of the legion is way more devastating if you ask me.
>>96126730Actually it does mean that each successful wound they land on a dread will be D2, and with dreads being nerfed to WS 4 it might actually mean despoilers have a real fighting chance against dreadnoughts now.
Why is the page with volkite weapons from the marine libers not in the PDF? Seen it pass by during the leaks. Also, anybody know what krak grenades do now?
>>96126765You can now make any unit in your army possessed with a prime slot advantage, which is pretty big
Having to kill every single model in a line unit to prevent them from scoring, or to even activate Vanguard (x) is strong as hell
>>96126808melee dreads are totally non-viable and a complete non-factor. And ranged dreads will simply be sniping in the back of the army. In a 4 point game, if despoilers are ever brawling with rifle dreads it means the game is already over 2 turns ago.
>anti-grav completely ignores difficult terrain, and doesn't even treat difficult terrain as dangerous terrain anymore.
God damn.
They can save it by releasing the lost primarchs.
>>96126357Why the fuck would they report it in the first place? wtf is wrong with people
>>96126865It's a sign of how pointlessly spiteful people have become.
>>96126865Lotta people who only care about ruining things for others these days.
>>96123551Is there actually any extra bits on these guys or are they just straight out the box satties? Might nab some sprues of them for my WB lads
>>96126919they're just painted differently.
>>96126765>World Eaters are being stripped of characterThe Heresy was chainaxe palooza, everyone had them. I hear only Space Wolves and some other fringe chapters from among the loyalists kept them
>>96126765If you think having chain axes was the only thing special about WE, you are the problem.
>>96126822Krak grenades are i-3 1A S6 Ap4 D2 Detonation melee weapons
>>96126993Can detonation still target Automata and Walkers
>>96127036Yes but with AP 4 I don't see the point.
>>96127036Nope, only vehicles and thing with no movement
>>96126962I might end up buying some HH chainaxes for my WS successor dudes. are there any kits with chainglaives or do I have to figure out printing them?
>>96126962Pure cope. The only non-World Eaters artwork I can remember featuring chainaxes is when they're being used as power axes on terminators.
>>9612699310 of those are pretty dangerous to anything with A10 rears
>>96127094Why did you post a Carcharodon marine?
>>96127112Yup. At 1/3 to do damage its still like 6HP or a dead predator/rhino/whatever. Dont get charged kids.
>>96127092You are telling me automata can no longer be bullied by basic tacticals?
>>96126962Frost weapons used to be all chain weapons, even the axes. Around 5e they introduced the electrified alien diamond ice blades for axes and swords, so they could be either chain weapons or classic blades.
Mechanicum rules please ?
Has anyone seen the Chaplain sheet yet? I've been scrolling though all these threads and can't find it.
>>96124318>literally had him shifting between forms and materializingretard
is there any way to get more than one apex detachment?
I scanned through the rules and didn't find anything
>>96127153>You are telling me automata can no longer be bullied by basic tacticals?No, but shock chargers are AP4 now, so castellax aren't doing a lot back to them either without power blades
>>96127311It's in the gofile leaks
It's basically just a centurion with Cool 10 and a D2 power maul
Not great but it's only 80p. If the pdf gives him more weapon options it might be worth taking if there's a unit you really don't want affected by status effects
>>96127367Combat is won by killed models, not lost wounds. Unless it is despoilers with shredding weapons, a tactical squad might lose a single member and thus lose the combat
>>96126767Anon if you actually choose to take advantage of it, it's genuinely a cracked.
A few sniper rifle shots let you snipe a sergeant, ridding the unit of 2+ save and giving your whole unit +1 attack is nuts.
Do thousand sons get staves on regular dudes sometimes or is it mainly character models
Awesome, thanks anon! I've been working on 3 if then and couldn't finish until I saw the pistol option
>>96123372Yup I prefer the OOP anvil industry chainaxes
>>96126767Pinning was really good in 2.0 and for some reason everyone decided to collectively ignore it for 3 years...
>>96124384Same poses, but I'm ok with that since they are at least different to the tacs. The real crime is not including any hand flamers and instead go for the dis-pistols
>>96124594The plastic khorne berzerkers have plenty nail heads
>>96127535Dreadnoughts are fearless, elite terminators with character are Ld 10 with inexorable or stubborn, even Ld 8 tests don't fail all that often. The only real way to reliably pin enemy units was Telepathy, which was so cheesy that not using it was the gentlemen's agreement in most places.
>>96124634Math hammering is Molech worship.
>>96121206 (OP)So really, there is no pint on putting a melee weapon on a tac sgt now with 1 A is there?
>>96124924I do not like the smal head and ugly bolter, but I do like ur paint job anon
>>96125314What helmet is that?
Combi grav seem kinda plainly the go to for tac sergeants, yeah? Gives you a chance to chuck statuses onto both vehicles and non vehicles at decent range.
>>96127570Generally, no.
>>96127524The simple fw chainaxes are nice (photos pattern?)
>>96127555That kit is nuts for heads, there's like 20 different heads.
>>96127402That's fair, though I certainly wouldn't mind squishing a few more tacticals to get the penalty on their route check
>>96127535you must have never played a game then bc pinning was a super common tactic
>>96127570It looks cool, a sarge with a chainsword is classic
>>96127589Yeah true but anvil axes were so much cheaper, now you can just print or buy printed axes.
Yeah I love it when a box has lots of bitz, like back in the good old days.
>>96127587I think combi-flamer looks better to maybe fend off some charges.
>>96127646The chance of forcing a panic test when charged genuinely seems useful, yeah
>>96127642The remastered i use sells them in packs of 10 so ayo
>>96127311These last weeks have been so intense. Several hundred, even more than a thousand comments per thread. I think it's as many as 40kg or even more, just without making a new thread every three hours
>>96127646>>96127651Reactions can't cause status effects or leadership tests. So no stopping a charge by shooting a flamer during Overwatch.
>>9612767540kg has been really slow, A LOT of the ragebaiters and baitees are genuinely tourists
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>>96127646>>96127651you do not make status checks for volley fire nor overwatch
>>96127651there are no panic tests or any other status tests when volley firing.
>>96127689>>96127688>>96127684Ah fair enough, I suppose melee might be frustrating enough without having to take leadership checks every time you charge
3.0 really does seem totally flavorless
>>96127720The different legion builds posted have been pretty interesting
There seem to be less outright losers when it comes to legion rules
>>96127720>laughs in mechanicum building exactly like their lore >cries in having 10% of the units required to making things work according to their lore
>>96127582That's the laureled beakie from the old Sternguard veteran kit, if I'm not mistaken.
>>96127720It's grown on me but I'm mad they got rid of how grav and haywire worked and other stuff like that.
>>96127720Gonna wait to see some games in the wild before I make a final decision, but my kneejerk reaction is leaning the same way.
>>96127835I am the beakie autist. It's not a terribly useful skill, so it's nice to put it to use.
>>96127863Do you have the same knowledge of mk5 helmets?
>>96124594The slots for the head on that new kit look rather narrow. I'm not sure that all of the 40k berzerker kit heads will fit (the respirator ones are very wide just looking at them compared to my Mk2 helmet bits). Same with the World Eaters legion resin helmets with gladiatorial crests. Might take some chopping or greenstuff to make it work (or african neck stretching?).
>>96127868I do not, but I can try.
>>96127535Fr. Some legions like IW, AL and NL paid attention to it, but I guess some just don't like sniper rifles or something
>>96127931I love them, any sources at all would be great
>>96127974Oh, as in where to get them? The main source is just the Forgeworld Mk V kits, unless you're looking for third party models or STLs.
>>96122043so the fetish meme is becoming real lmao.
Going to be honest chief considering picking up 12 saturnine and when the price drops to meme levels like 15 bucks a pop on ebay 7 saturnine praetors for a command squad, replacing my plans for 2 sicaran omegas since those are apparently no longer good AT
Why is it so fucking hard to find a rhino?
>>96128047they are an endangered species
>>96128047Because everyone wants em. And also because it's a rhino rush edition, or course all the WAACfags are gonna rush to buy one
>>96128047because they're broken in 40k right now
>>96128047The printing of glorified tokens and actual tokens shall continue until morale improves
>>96127772I don't really see people taking thralls when they cost 10ppm.
>>96128069yeah I was doing some list building and I really couldn't balance running two squads of thralls for 600 points
60 dudes isn't even that many
>>96127835It is indeed the vanguard kit. I've been sitting in two boxes since 1.0 and Corax got one and main got the other.
>>96128069Aren't they like the only line in mech?
>>96128082Tech thralls are less of a horde unit and more ablative wounds for a laecrymata archmagos now. Remember that just the archmagos alone can now restore 8 thralls per turn with a machinator array and no longer requires him to give up his shooting or rites
>>96128112So my dreams of using my Necrons army with mech rules as an unknown metallic xenos race is still on?
>>96128107there is no line in mech
Only bonus VPs are vanguard and Magos/Tech priest comptroller(x) bonuses
>>96128107They don't have line and mech's line comes from their magi and tech priests
>>96128069Marines wound them on 5+, and they have FnP, which even Apothecaries don't give you
>>96128112the unit still has to actively be doing something besides standing around
magi have surprisingly poor firepower
>>96124229Didn't he go into the Eye of Terror to hunt a bitch?
>>96123689i have several Tarantula Sentry Guns to protect my delicate posterior, people said it was dumb to get them but i didnt listen.
>>96124644> "I dont care if I'm being raped, as long as the rapist tells me he's going to do it first!"Faggot
>>96126329anon would you like my repository for 1.0?
150 for 12 saturnine + 25 dollar shipping because colony tax. Worth it off ebay, or wait for price to drop even lower?
Hammer on saturnine praetor and axe on command squad or vise versa?
>>96128546doesnt matter where you live, it's a massive flop so price will be massively lower a few months from now. There's tons of things you can work on that aren't in the box then pick up the box after you finish your other project when the box is $100 cheaper.
>>96128546the terminators aren't even the part of the box that's in demand. They'll be 6 for $30-40 in no-time, so 175 for that would be retard tier.
And their rules don't even look appealing, plus they're ugly as well.
>>96126134>HH gets a preview of a kit that was already revealedwhats crazy is that it was still the best thing shown all day
>>96128659Even the Saturnine Praetor is coming down in price. Couple of days ago the presale ebay listings were all around ยฃ30
>>96129217>tfw all the prices are so up charged for my currency Iโd be better off just paying for the box outright instead of only getting the saturnine terminators and praetor from most of those resellersItโs a unique kind of hell. Youโd figure with how everyone here slanders them all the time youโd think people would be giving the buggers away for free.
Taking in more request.
If not, i'll start on saturnine stuff.
For blast/large blast, how many model hit average shall I count for calculations ?
>>96129987Maybe the various meltas into vehicles? 10TSS (from drop pod) vs some speeders with two multi meltas vs whatever else?
>>96128568I think you want the axe on the praetor basically in all cases The fist is almost as good as the hammer for duelling, and you need those extra reaping blow attacks for actually clearing your way through dudes. Being only 4A will hurt you otherwise, really liable to just not kill enough dudes to matter.
>>96130499Can't you take both? Hammer + Axe?
>>96127741Whereโs the builds?
>>96090174Thanks anon, I enjoy my BL sloppa but not enough to pay for it.
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