>Previous thread:
>>96093982

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,
Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,
Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,
Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics...
...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.
Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,
OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg

>TQ
What's your favourite manufacturer you want to shill for?

>TQ
I don't even know anymore. I want to say Wargames Atlantic, but we all know what that would cause.
I want to say Victrix Limited but I'm a fantasy nerd.
I want to say maybe Foundry because I like old school sculpted aesthetics, but I am not sure.

To be honest I like Anvil Industry. Yeah they made stuff that looks Warhammer enough, but they're also making modular 28mm miniatures and trying to do their own thing which I respect greatly.

>>96136319 (OP)
Are those boobs?
Anyways Malifaux.

>TQ

hard to name just one. From plastic manufacturers I've really liked north star and fireforge (never actually bought any victrix yet, as great as their models look). For STLs I really like warp miniatures and bestiarum. Both have a style that's immediately recognisable, which is high praise in a scene that is full of GW copycats. Bestiarum even recently announced that they'd be doing less monthly miniatures to avoid lack of inspiration and burnout. I think this was a good move, as we've discussed in previous threads, WGA suffers from an extremely aggressive release schedule that makes some sets look rushed.
My only critique for bestiarum is that od wish they'd do more modular sets, but that goes for basically all STL sculptors.

>>96136325
Victrix really shot themselves in the foot with the AI art in Pillage. Lost some goodwill with that choice. And my money too.

>>96136319 (OP)
TQ would have to be the Lazy Forger right now. Brilliant sculptor of small scale miniatures. STL only at the moment, but I see big things in their future.

>>96136425

Did they really resort to AI slop? What a shame.

>>96136425
>Victrix really shot themselves in the foot with the AI art in Pillage.
Which one is that? Were they not recycling the French rulebook in the first place?

How is "Pillage" as a system anyway? Anyone tried it yet?

>>96136505
>>>/tg/hwg has a few Anons that tried it already and at least one that posted quite elaborate battle reports.

>>96136319 (OP)
>What's your favourite manufacturer you want to shill for?
They got seized by His Magesty's Revenue service and forcibly dissolved.
So, uh.. Forge of Ice, I guess. I also love Crooked Dice.

>>96136335
yes. Fat ol' Reitari-tiddies. Bless Scotia Grendel.
https://shop.scotiagrendel.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=217_218_60_75&products_id=3362
They also have Amazonian decurions and various other things in the Gladiator line for Urban War.

>>96136682
I want to buy an Amazonia Decurion and a Gladiator Strike Team badly but fuck me if I want to pay the ridiculous Brexshit shipping.

>>96136444
>>96136486
Any company that endorses this nonsense goes on my blacklist, it doesn't matter how cool their minis are. It's super bad news for tabletop wargames when they don't support the industry that support them.
And it's the slippery slope thing too, if the author was cool with genned art, who's to say he didn't gen the text. Just weirds me out.

>>96136425
>>96136798
Well, fuck Victrix as a whole.

>>96136798
>when they don't support the industry that support them.

What are you even talking about? What is your problem with AI?

>>96136825

NTA, but AI art always reminds me of sleazy snake oil salesmen who are also lazy to boot.

>>96136825
Fuck AI sloppa

I will not touch anything with sloppa involved

>>96136825
If it was free then I'm not paying for it.

>>96136319 (OP)
Warploque/arcworlde maker and the Mom miniatures guy.

>>96136931
Using cringe images like that is just as annoying as using AI itself.

>>96136931
Wouldn't understand that sentiment, if I hadn't had to deal with "artists". I worked with women, I worked with some sketchy people, and I never met a more lazy, flaky and entitled people than people than draw for comisions. Than they have the worst politics sure doesn't help, so any euros than doesn't go to them, I get a warm, fuzzy feeling in my stomach.

>>96136978
Spiting ordinary humans for techbro corporations made up of much worse cunts who trained their models on stolen content?

Mate you might just be a knobhead yourself

>>96136319 (OP)
>What's your favourite manufacturer you want to shill for?
The Stargrave/Frostgrave line by Osprey Games. For just 25€ you get 20 (TWENTY) highly customizable/kitbashable sleekly designed miniatures with a ton of leftover heads, weapons and accessoires. Things you'll hardly find anywhere else too, duch a great variety of heads, alien, human, everything. I wish I discovered them sooner. You get so much for so little money.

>>96137024
Still waiting on Stargrave Automaton's to come up for sale in my country. Then I'm kitbashing them with the Scavengers kit.

>>96136825
Are you kidding? Without the completely massive amount of work by the artists and writers, there would be no such thing as tabletop wargames. This spits on that legacy, and establishes a precedent to destroy it.
It's not complicated.

>>96137094
If i look at "art" like here >>96137024, with a knife upside down below a barrel, not even extruding it, i can't see how AI would come up with any worse.

>>96137155
Isn't that supposed to be some makeshift bayonet?

>>96137155
Nah mate, not that anon but a Bong not understanding a bayonet but still painting it by hand is nothing compared to stolen Sloppa

>>96137010
Don't fucking care, the techbros made the artist a relic in such a small time frame is hilarious, I haven't had to deal with any tech bro(thanks god!) but the amount of my "granny died", "I have cramps", just ghosting etc I had to deal wtih "artists" and had to push timelines because them (really small stuff too thanks god again it wasn't lot of money or important), than friging free Chatgpt has liberated me, is priceless.

>>96137175
>techbros made the artist a relic

This just simply hasn't happened, maybe in the mind of some bitcoin pajeet and people who make ChatGPT their girlfriend.

It's a sick mentality and rather than being liberated it's actually another form of corporate control.

>>96137155
Funnilly enough the art matches minis. Its counscious design choice.
And creator makes napoleonics so he knows how bayonets work.

>>96137010
>stolen content

>>96137216
Yeah? These techbros trained their models to generate images from a database of other people's work, without their permission. How many would have agreed?

Those guys from Dune had the right idea.

>>96137213
At a guess: The bayonets can slide forward when needed but otherwise stay retracted to prevent accidentally stabbings, and the sharp edge faces upward towards the barrel to make it harder to accidentally cut yourself when hastily grabbing your gun.

>>96137224
>when I copy someone's work and transform it is good actually give me money
>no, maths doing it is theft even if I still have my portfolio and saleable skills

This argument is pointless. Evil is to be eradicated not argued with.

>>96137213
There is not a single rifle with knife attached in the sprue.
Besides that, the sculptor of the miniatures is not the painter of the box art.

>>96137248
>Evil is to be eradicated not argued with.
Based crusader.

>>96137258
>they lost
Fitting.

>>96137225
>>96137248
>>96137258

>>96137253
There is a Bowie type knife on the sprue, so he used his creativity. It's not a sloppa hallucination.

>>96137240
Yes. If you can't see the difference you're clearly some pajeet or poor eastern European or something. Go and listen to ai "music" on Spotify like the golem you are.

>>96137277
You can see it's taped. Almost like the scavenger scavenged his kit.

>>96137281
Pathetic.

>>96137268
Tell that to the Pagans in Northern Europe, the Arabs in Spain, and the Cathers in France.

>>96137240
Uh yeah? Why do you want to be a slop eater?

>>96137305
Praise your urinal.

>>96137283
>Almost like the scavenger scavenged his kit.
No fucking way

>>96137024
Love these lil niggas like you wouldn't believe

>>96137010
>stolen content
It would be hypocritical for me to be mad about it.
I pirate STL files, music, movies, tv shows, games, books and pretty much everything else i can get online. I buy recasts and not original GW stuff, and i buy knockoff lego sets from China instead of the actual product, and now i should be mad at someone using AI?
Nah, its irrelevant to me.

>>96137341
Do you think he's frowning or is that just how his face is?

>>96137347
At least those are thought out human endeavours. Not slop.

>>96137355
That's just his default expression, he's actually a pretty nice guy.

>>96137347
>I pirate
Do you rub the names off the credits, put yours on, and pass the stuff off as your own stuff? False equivalency, dishonest tactic, retarded poster.

>>96137416
As people said digital art was not art and photography was not art, this reactionary hate will pass. Hopefully so too these fanfictions of evil once you've matured.

>/awg/ being mostly anti-AI

I didn't expect anything else but it's always good to see.

>>96137441
Another false equivalency. Digital Art and Photography do not require pre-existing work to be generated from in order to exist. You're willfully dismissing it as an issue of a new technology rather than an issue of an exploitative technology stealing from other artists to function. You doing this, along with pretending it's the same as piracy, because you cannot argue the actual issue people.

>>96137441
Yes, I hate sloppa polluting the internet because of midwits like you. You are no different to boomer grandmas or pajeets.

>>96137416
>put yours on, and pass the stuff off as your own stuff?

Did Victrix do that? On that picture above i can see that they even said which AI model they used.

>>96137463
You must have been a jester in a past life.

>>96137463
You are talking with at least two different Anons.
I just dont give a shit about artists. Simple as that.

>>96137466
>On that picture above i can see that they even said which AI model they used.
You think that crediting the software used solves the issue of that software stealing from artists? Really?

>>96137480
Why are you shifting your position constantly Anon?

>>96137466
You are dense as fuck

>>96137474
And so are you. You listen to music, probably have watched a film. But you're also a tasteless goon.

Hold the fuck up.
>written by Guillaume Rousselot
>illustrated by Guillaume Rousselot
Victrix only did the translation.
This is an independent creator using AI to help illustrate his work, because commissioning artists costs money some small French YouTuber doesn't have.
This whole diatribe has been deranged.

>>96137488
I haven't, at no point have I ever said that the issue with AI is that people aren't crediting the software used to generate it, but at this point I suspect you're just trying to get (You)s. Enjoy your last.

>>96137498
>This is an independent creator using AI to help illustrate his work
Using a software that was trained using thousands of artists stolen work to refine it's capacities. Unless you have evidence that MidJourney only used Guillaume Rousselot's artwork to train their entire software?

>>96137510
>stolen
Learn what words mean.

>>96137395
What's the difference? Like what's the great diference with ai slop or art station slop?

>>96137510
You are a clown Anon. Nothing was stolen.

>>96137503
You clearly asked if i rub the name off and put my own on, when in fact that would be idiotic in terms of recasts or Lego Knockoffs or "stolen" movies.
And the same i dont do this, Victrix did not do it, because they clearly mentioned the AI usage in the book. Your entire point makes no sense. They never claimed that it was their art. They outright said: We did use AI to make some of the pics.

>>96137510
So wait a minute: An artist can only ever use his own art to train upon? If i give some random painter 500€ to paint me something, how can i be sure he did not learn his craft by looking at other artists pictures?

The purpose of art is human connection. You can't share a connection with a machine, so machine generated images aren't art. They're just content.

>>96137559
Not every picture or logo needs to be art tho. I wont buy the book anyway, but do we even know which pages are the ones with AI useage? Is it the big artworks? Some shading to the bigger headlines?

>>96137498
Why do 100 other sole writer wargames books that then get published by a larger company not use AI generated images then?

Fuck you

>>96137447
Do you think these bases are too big to effectively playt a wargame at that scale? I am always suprised by how big the bases are

>>96137559
That's such a weird, eat-pray-lovekind of of shit, that doesn't mean anything.

>>96136319 (OP)
>What's your favourite manufacturer you want to shill for?

EM4 Miniatures.
I love how cheap and old school their minis are.
Perfect for large armies, as practice for painting, conversion bases etc...
I just wish they had more of Lund's sculpts available in plastic.
Imagine dwarf artillery, handgunners or slayers for literal pennies.

>>96137570
They will, just wait.

>>96137567
>>96137550
>>96137538
>>96137498

AI generate yourselves some mates.

Don't really see how you can want to play /awg/ games but then can't comprehend the importance of the human touch.

I bet you are all thick enough that you've asked ChatGPT a question about a rulebook or something and taken its confident hallucinations as truth

>>96137559
>The purpose of art is human connection
It's not that deep bro
I just like looking at cool shit

>>96137607
You may as well watch reality TV.

>>96137586
It doesn't mean anything to an obviously mentally limited person like yourself.

>>96137598
...and is that meant to be a good thing?

What about that would please you?

>>96136319 (OP)
>What's your favourite manufacturer you want to shill for?

Currently: Archon Studios.
Their plastics are great, and so are their pricetags.
pic related is 99 models, some with multiple build options for 80€.

>>96137607
It is that deep, you are just stupid.

>>96137610
>...and is that meant to be a good thing?
Its a neutral thing.

>What about that would please you?
Nothing, and nothing about it displeases me. It will happen. And if it allows more people to come up with illustrated pdfs of their rules, then thats a good thing to me. If not, it wont change much for me.

>>96137600
Jokes on you, because you absolutely can play something like Shadowdeep with ChatGPT.

>>96137630
You are exactly the same as the guy who thinks a machine is his girlfriend >>96137208

>>96137463
>Digital Art and Photography do not require pre-existing work to be generated from in order to exist.
Digital art and Photography required pre-existing work so it could be invented, and artists or users of Digital art and Photography also required pre-existing work to learn how to "imitate" those with the new tools.
However, piracy is nothing like these or ai gen.

Honestly the problem with sloppa is not the tool, but how accessible it is and how every bumbling retard can just press the button while corpos are being corpos as usual.

>>96137630
You don't understand that an LLM is just trying to sound confident with you and isn't actually a thinking machine.

And fuck me lad, can't you just play RoSD from the rulebook?

>>96137659
>Honestly the problem with sloppa is not the tool, but how accessible it is and how every bumbling retard can just press the button while corpos are being corpos as usual.

Thats not the problem, thats the good thing. If only rich companies could buy the access, it would be an issue. But now everyone can create some more or less decent looking picutres. Its excellent for the customer.

>wahhhhh A.I. art is good and looks the bestest sarr!!!!
>wahhhhh A.I. art is literally killing me!!!! *pisses and shids himself*
Just shut the fuck up. Buy the new game or not or boycott Victrix or not but just shut the fuck up about A.I. art.

>>96137094
The sculptor, I could understand. The rules writer, I could understand. The playtester, I could understand. The internal decorations? Fuck off.

>>96137024
This. The fact that you easily can combine different sets make them the best current manufacturer imo.

>>96138068
Speaking of, I used them as base for my warbands for the Doomed.

>>96138110

>>96136931
>Reject fascism by rejecting an open source software that allow you to seize the means of production for yourself.
You're just a butt-hurt tradesman. Sell your commissions if you must but don't pretend you're fighting the Man by doing it.

>>96136714
Same for me. Scotia Grendel, Microworld Games, Eureka Miniatures are all top on my list but as a Yuropoor it's way pricier than it was 5-10 years ago. At least Oddzial Osmy is on the Old Continent so I still have that.

>>96136437
Hi Giacomo, keep on the good work.

>>96137094
Straight up lies. Wargaming started with Kriegspiel which was a military tool and keep on trucking with nerds the like of Wells. Your big corpo needs art and writer to sell you an universe, that's for sure.

>>96137596
Based

>>96138367
>means of production
Producing sloppa lmao

Well that looks a bit better

>>96138553
>good paintjobs make miniatures look good

You are on a hot trail there Anon

Seriously tho, i think their biggest issue is the tiny barreled rifles they hold. These guys need some bigger guns to look convincing.

>>96137559
You do realize every single human share a connection with mundane shit everyday, right? Your niece clunging to her plushies, your brother drawing a face on its eraser and giving it a name, your grandma and her photo album, your dad tracking an old used up Amstrad on garage sales, your mum and her wedding dress she'll never be slim enough to fit in again... For godsake there's even a whole souvenir industry solely dedicated to selling junks to people so they hold on to it their whole lifetime as a fucking memento.

If there's one thing human do, it's giving meaningful connection to absolutely still, lifeless stuff. That's why you have people falling in love with LLM or their new car right now as we write.

>>96137578
Regular bases are in the way, but still a better alternative than knocking or sliding off small individual bases when playing a skirmish game at lower scale. It's an acquired taste I'll admit that.

>>96138613
>These guys need some bigger guns to look convincing.
Disagree. I dislike the goofy "heroic" oversized barrels GW uses.

>>96137559
>The purpose of art is human connection
No art is about evoking an emotion.
The fact that AI art makes you so mad proves it's art.

>>96138613
>the tiny barreled rifles they hold

That's called 'realism' sadly. Most guns do not scale well to tabletop if you want them to look cool, which is how you end up with Bolters and whatever the fuck was going on with Warzone's guns.

>>96138644
>>96138685
Its a weird war game tho. There is no need for realism in whatever plasma-tesla-warp-energy-laser-whatever-guns they make up for their setting. They just should look good.

>>96138544
My brother in trolling, this very world I despise. AI sloppa or globohomo sloppa is the very same to me. At least citizens are on even grounds now and can strike back if they please.

>>96137625
>>96137688
Most sane poster on /awg/ right now.

>>96137693
It's good it happened otherwise we'd have to deal with "muh AI" every single time someone brought up Pillage. Now it's been said and done so they can get over it.

>>96138110
>>96138122
Great job anon, I'll take a second look at these kits thanks to you.

>>96138553
Much better paintjob, but they're still too barrel-chested. Actually I think the best thing to do would probably be to raise their heads a bit, which would be easy. They look like they're falling into their own armor.

>>96138685
It would still be realistic to give them a more robust barrel. The most iconic German machine gun from WW2 has a big square heat shield on the barrel.

>>96138822
I disagree. These aren't space marines. If anything it should go the other direction.

Posted it over on /WIP/, thought I'd share it here with you fellas.

Did another early Renaissance style knight in the chrome/black ink pinwash technique. I wasn't sure how it would look with so much shading but I think it sells pretty good. He's part of a human faction in yet another setting I am playing around with right now. If you're curious about how I did it, it's a pretty simple technique, albeit there is significant downtime between some steps. I wrote a post over there on Friday or Saturday about the method. It would lend itself pretty well to batch work, actually. If you have a command figure or something like that you really want to stand out on the board it's definitely good for that.

Shit picture but here's a shot of it beside a figure done in standard metallic, obviously if you're looking for a more worn and rustic look it's too much, but it looks pretty good if you want a figure to stand out. I am happy with the overall result, anyways.

You can also use the chrome for subtle highlights on regular metallics. The pens have a 0.5 mm head I believe. AK also makes a loose version of the chrome paint that you can airbrush or brush on. Brush doesn't work too well from what I hear. If you want to get a more realistic metallic with just a brush and don't I'd recommend the AK true metal series. It's a wax that you can polish when it dries and is very convincing. Also has the advantage that you can really polish certain areas over others.

I'll do a post on some of that stuff in the future for you guys have a good one

>>96138122
Looks cool but can you photo them at less red and reflective surface?

>>96139186
>the chrome/black ink pinwash technique.
I'm not familiar with this technique. How is it different from a regular metal+wash posting job?

It looks pretty good though I would do something to make the codpiece pop more.

>>96139430
Sorry about that. I'm fucking shit when it comes to taking photos.

>>96136319 (OP)
>Art Opinions on /awg/
Well that escalated quickly.
>TQ
>What's your favourite manufacturer you want to shill for?
Ramshackle is probably in the top 5. Lots of oddball stuff obviously made with a love of playing with little monsters. Guy's a bit scattered and large orders seem to have missing parts but he's good about getting the missing bits and extras to people.
Warmonger, Pig Iron, Eureka and Scotia Grendel are all bangers too.
I'm mixed on wga and north star, glad they're making a lot of neat kits, don't always want 20 of a style like female spaceship crew or werewolves but get sprues as needed. Has the Damned kickstarter stuff actually shipped? Haven't followed it but heard vague grumblings.

>>96139646
Way better

>>96139779
I want to love Ramshackle because I know Curtis and he's a good guy, but I'm not giving him like £6 per single resin miniature regardless of size. His pricing has gone crazy.

>>96138822
If you raise their heads, that raises questions about their necks and shoulders.

How would you approach WGA about their sub-par STL files. They sell good digital models, they sell okay ones, and they sell stuff like pic related.
But they are somewhat allergic to critique.. how could i approach the issue without them instantly going into defense mode
I dont want to get banned from their Facebook group, because sometimes they post interesting stuff there, and also people post good conversion ideas there too.
But i also dont want my MMF getting flooded with sets like this, that i would not print if they gave me money for it..

>>96139935
I don't remember when the prices went up, I got a bunch before the last big
>oh shit I'm bad at business buy my things please
bit but there's a lot of hit&miss in the catalogue. Looking at you simpsocube.

>>96139999
>But they are somewhat allergic to critique.. how could i approach the issue without them instantly going into defense mode
You don't. Its contemporary marketing to turn every defence into an offence with sassy blackladyface, basically having NPD to create a fanship and take their money.

>>96139999
Are you the same guy who had an autistic fit about that Mantic sprue?

>>96140039
The chaos dwarfs? No. Thats not me and i have not even bought or assembled a single mantic model in my life.

>>96139999
Instead of writing them a message on Facebook and getting insta banned by their perpetually online guard dog, write a hand written letter to their office siting your dissatisfaction. Be polite but dont be apologetic about disliking the STLs.

>>96140021
You might be right, but it still pisses me off.

Just look at these two sets:

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-german-askari-597820

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-spanish-civil-war-republican-carabineros-604357

Same price, and such difference in quality, that its not even funny. And of course, i'm interested in spanish civil war and not german colonial forces and i wish the guy that made the german troops would have made the other set.

>>96136931
With images like that all you're gonna achieve is to get more people into AI.

>>96140086
That image was probably made with AI

>>96139970
That whole area has so much layers of junk going on that I feel like you could position them about anywhere in there.
>>96138969
They don't have that look though. They've got skinnier legs and less backback. They don't look like hunchbacked armor, they're almost kind of lanky.

>>96140092
You have to be like 80IQ to not spot AI generated images instantly

>>96140086
Oh no, some more midwits might become even more socially detached and moronic, what a pity.

>>96140113
>they're almost kind of lanky.
That's my point. They don't look long guys in big bullu power armor. Raising the head up would make them look even lankier.

>>96140124
>"DUDE, LE FASHIMO!!!!"
>Calls others midwits
Make better pics, retard.

>>96139779
Just did a massive order from him.
Only ended up missing a single mini out of dozens.
Can't complain, so many extras were in the box.

>>96140183
>posts a picture from ABC Warriors, a comic with famously nothing to say about fascism

Are you stupid?

I just finished my first round of Five Parsecs From Home and I absolutely love it.
It has lots and lots of rolling for a vast variety of items, enemies and events
The battle rules are rather simple, but still fun for skirmishes.
It's solo, so I can play it anytime and it's miniature agnostic. I can use all fun and cool stuff I have.
It's truly a great tabletop adventure/RPG with wargaming battles.
For a game that relies heavily on random generation, it is surprising how well of a narrative/story you can develop in your head with just a little bit of imagination.
(Sorry, couldn't make a better pic)

>>96140445
I'm glad you enjoyed it lad, I've rolled up a crew and need to start myself, even just with a paper mat from one of those 40k partwork magazines.

There's something about d66 or d100 tables I've found exciting since Necromunda

>>96140445
The bookkeeping can get a bit out of hand with longer campaigns, but besides that, i totally agree. Its an awesome game.

>>96137248
>Evil is to be eradicated not argued with.
True. Please stand under the wall.

>>96140330
Are you reddit? Be honest.

>>96140700
Not at all, been here since like '07 when Dial Soap spam was a thing on /b/. Why does everyone have to be a shut-in here now or something?

>>96136319 (OP)
Hey, any System agnostic campaign rules out there? a friend and I are playing a Heavy Gear Blitz campaign for 3.1 but there's nearly no support for said campaigns. any suggestion is appreciated

>>96139779
I can definitely see this mini as the mayor of a ramshackled shanty town. Really cool fig.

>>96140986
Anon shared his own homebrew on the last /hwg/ thread:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13t1qa2ELlY85Yj0_eQT7WxaKmifkaksTcHZeuAvwEWY/edit?usp=sharing

>>96140724
I'll let it go for now, but I'm keeping an eye on you, bud.

>>96137596
>EM4 Miniatures.
Hell yeah my negroid companion

>>96138553
i still feel like their torso's and legs are so lanky and long
But this is easily the best paintjob ive seen of them
it feels wrong to have sunken in heads but have legs and a torso that long

>>96140445
>Five Parsecs From Home
I've been interested in it, I must be honest. How compatible is it with other game systems? Can I, for example, go on a power trip with my 40K space marines? Could I drop my Grognards into a werewolf hunt in space? General thoughts would be appreciated anon.

>>96138685
Hey man. Leave warzone alone.

>>96136931
> Reject AI
Ok that's your opinion to have
> But also if you don't you are fascist
What the fuck. Purely out of spite for this retarded as fuck non argument, I will support more and more AI.

>>96141782
Based

I still have this fucker to rescue. Weighs about 400g

>TQ

Gotta give a shout out to Brother Vinni. About a decade ago he had some really great Fallout-alike minis that were great for playing This is Not a Test with. I think the release of Wasteland Warfare got those C&Ded though.

>>96138110
I finally got around to reading all the playtest and design posts about Grimlite on Chris McDowell's blog. Cool that he kept the living rulebook up on his drive even after it became The Doomed, and a commercial product.

Another shot of the knight, this one was taken with the only light casting down from above the miniatures head, like the sun might as you walk under it, as opposed to the figure facing the light. You can see when comparing the two how the lighting can dramatically effect the appearance of the metal.

>>96140067
It still bugs me too man. Sorry. Main thing to keep in mind is waiting for enough economic retraction to start cutting into company's margins for their social media heads to get cut. It'll take a while and a bunch of them will go under regardless but its satisfying to know they'll lose their jobs and won't have much to go on because their entire skill set is being mean on the internet.

What is your favorite activation mechanic or turn structure?

>>96143120
I love the warlord/bolt action semi-random method with dice in a blind bag.

>>96144256

How did it work exactly? I've played OPR with chit activation, in practice it led to a more cautious gameplay because you couldn't know when is the next time you get to activate. Once my opponent also got like seven activations in a row, so think I should houserule it so that a player can only get three activations in a row.

>>96144268
Extremely simple: You have a colored die or other marker for each unit in your army, and it feels identical to the ones your opponent is using. Both go into an opaque bag, and you reach in and grab randomly to determine who activates a unit. As units are eliminated their dice are removed, so there's always one die in play for each unit in play. It's pretty fun and makes it semi-random but not completely.

>>96144268
Sounds similar. Basically you get a dice in "your" colour for each unit. And your opponent too. So you might end up with 8 dice and he has like 15 because you picked more expensive/elite units. All dice come to a bag and then you draw a dice from it.. and whose colour it is, gets to activate one unit. And the the next dice is drawn etc.
I believe this system is used in Antares and K47 too. I only experienced it in Bolt Action, but really liked the randomness of it.

>>96144283

Ok, so it's the same as in the advanced OPR rules. I think it was a neat way to introduce randomness or "friction" to gameplay if the system isn't built around an activation system the way Mersey games are. The edge case I outlined in my previous post was caused by my opponent just having a ton of chaff units, which meant that he had probably twice the amount of activation tokens compared to me.

>>96144297
Yup, that's part of listbuilding in Bolt Action and will be in K47. Picrel.

>>96144307
(Forgot to take my name from /btg/ off, I beg the forgiveness of the masses)

>>96144285
>>96144307

Do these games have ways to interrupt your enemy's activation? For example, in MESBG you have heroes who have pools of might points that they can use to move or fight first even if the enemy has priority. OPR has command points in the advanced rules, which can be used for things like out of sequence moves, modifying dice rolls, autopassing morale tests etc.

>>96144326
Yeah. Bolt Action has the Ambush order. You give a unit an Ambush order and it waits until a target moves inside its line of sight and weapons range, at which point it can fire or wait for a better target. Good for when your opponent's unit has to rush out of cover to grab an objective or the like.

There's also the option to go Down when a unit gets shot, letting them give up their activation for the turn but gain a bonus to cover saves, and when an enemy tries to charge into melee, you can make reaction shots against them.

>>96144340

Not exactly what I was asking for, but these seem like reasonable rules in any case. Overwatch is also an action in OPR advanced rules, which works almost exactly as the ambush action you described. Going to ground doesn't give the player the ability to shoot at charging enemies. Stand and shoot reaction is locked in the command point system.

Bumping this question:
>>96103648
>Is there anyone around who makes non-humanoid aliens in 28mm, ideally for cheap? (by that I mean well under 5$ per mini)

>>96142163
Thanks for the tip. I really fell in love with the Doomed and it's interesting to follow the process of how it came to be and the design philosophy behind it.

>>96144929
Is it actually fun as a solo game? The generic grimdark aesthetic always put me off, but I can just model stuff differently.

>>96144944
I think it's really fun, but I'm a former burned out tournament player grognard who loves it because it's basically a love letter to what made me get into miniature wargaming in the first place, so your mileage may vary. The setting is really just a collection of writing prompts, so you can change it as you like.

>>96144851
If you can find them: starship troopers bugs. Alternatively harvesters by WGA, or some of the Antares sets by Warlord. You also should be able to find smaller tyranid sprues from the starter sets on eBay for 1-2€/per model.
Some fantasy monsters might work too?

>>96141683
Easily. The game is very miniature and setting agnostic. It even says so in the book yourself. And on Facebook I saw a lot of people using that rulebook to do a 40K or Star Wars campaign, with minimal tweaks

>>96143120
Planned/simultaneous activations.
I really enjoy the playing in advance then seeing how things really turn out. And how plans fall apart.

>>96145029
Dope, I'll have to give it a gander now.

>>96136825

>>96144851
Mantic has Nightstalker Reapers/Tormentors for Kings of War that looks quite nice as bugs. The new plastic set isn't expensive either.

>>96145712

They're also done by archon studios, so their quality ought to be much higher than the old mantic sets.

I am never giving my minis to other people again if it's not over a table we are sitting at...

Wait, what's the fucking difference between Void 1.1 and Void 2.0? Which one is the latest one? Why Seb-games is listing Void 2.0 boxes in the Void 1.1 category?

>>96146251
Post the damage.

>>96143120
Momentum systems kinda like Rampant, and MESBG's phased with interrupts are my favorites.

>>96145886
Absolutely.
Archon does also those big sets with a large variety of fantasy miniatures.
If its not Army building, something like pic related would maybe also work? Pretty much all their sets include some more "traditional" fantasy creatures, and some that could easily pass as Aliens in any sci-fi setting.
The question is if its worth to buy a 50€ box if all you want is 2-3 minuatures out of 50. But sometimes they are sold as singles on ebay too.

>>96146429
it isn't much, just a long gun barrel snapped off
only annoying because it had bandage greenstuffed on and I can't find the piece so I'll have to redo that

>>96145255
Same for me. Historically a wargame was played between two opponents and an umpire that was the only one with a whole view of the board. Since the later disappeared there's no really practical way to simulate a true fog of war, but we can still simulate WEGO by the use of hidden token orders and the like.

>>96143120
Phases, as in: army A moves, army B moves, A shoots, B shoots, etc. Lets you coordinate your army, resolve similar actions together, keeps downtime manageable, and has room for special things acting out of sequence to feel unusual.

How were at-43 pre painted so well painted and posed? How did the game fail with models that looked better than imperial guard from james, pre painted with 10/10 mech design and art?

It's there a Sci-fi version of rangers of Shadowdeep? With pre made missions and maps?

>>96143120
I've played all different forms of activations, and frankly they all have a place in wargaming. Alternating activation is always mentioned, particularly as an alternative for Warhammer, but frankly Alternating activation is really a bad system for a lot of games. IGOUGU 40k is so bad for 40k because wh40k is a small scale skirmish game. If you play a lot of historical army games, a Napoleonic battle for example, alternative activation simply makes no sense. Your entire army needs to advance together, which is why games like Valor and Fortitude use IGOUGO and it works well.
For skirmish games I really like random activation systems like Bolt Action and Antares. I think this system would work well in Warhammer.
When people say "Alternating activation" they usually mean "I move and activate one unit, then you do, then I do, and so forth," similar to OPR. This system is a bit lazy and I don't think it's ideal for skirmish games where you're moving whole units. This system works well in small warband size games with 5-12 individual models per side. Mordheim, for example, would do well with this system.
In games like Spectre Operations it's alternating phases, where you alternate the move and activate your entire team all at once. For example, I move all my units, you move all your units, I shoot with all my units, you shoot with all your units. This would be ideal for 40k I think

Another activation system I really enjoy and I don't see it utilized too much, is activating whole portions of your army at a time, but not the entire army.
For example, one of the most enjoyable activation systems in my opinion is on Nevermind the Billhooks (inb4 Billhooks and Oathmark fags start arguing). In Billhooks your army is divided into three sections, the left, middle, and right wings of the army essentially. Each wing is lead by a commander. Each commander has a card. The cards are randomly drawn from a deck, similar to Bolt Actions random activation mechanic

>>96149636
>cont.
And when the commander is drawn he is allowed to activate his third of the army. It allows for dynamic plays and engagement and lots of interesting situations where you can have multiple commanders drawn in a row, and it alternated enough to keep both players engaged and excited

>>96149548
Space Station Zero kind of fills that niche.

It's an OOP boardgame (actually more of a corridor shooter) but Mantic's Star Saga kind of too.

Five Parsecs From Home has you roll up every mission but is the king.

When I look at Confrontation, wrath of kings, old maulifaux, warmachine and anima I realise the best days of miniatures are behind us

>>96149796

>>96149356
Because Rackham, who were financially unstable at the best of times, overextended and bankrupted themselves making AT-43 and the pre-painted Confrontation games. Their existing fanbase of high detail metal minis weren't chuffed on the swap to pre-painted plastics, and the new stuff didn't do enough numbers to keep them afloat.
Same thing that killed every high production value heartbreaker that was just dumped on the market with zero buildup. See also: Fantasy Warlord by Gary Chalk.
It's was pretty wild when I cracked open some of the mecha from the AT-43 starter set and they all had fully modeled interiors just glued away inside. They spent a lot of money on tooling that no-one would ever see.

>>96149855
>open some of the mecha from the AT-43 starter set and they all had fully modeled interiors just glued away insid
Yes that is really over the top! Confrontation was pretty pre paint was never going to work. I look at my havok miniatures often and the difference in prepaint sculpt and application from that to at 43 is massive, shame it died so horrid.

Guys im looking for a particular boxed game. Sort of a board game but wargame adjacent. It had this black box, very 90s hardcore metal looking. And the game was a bit like space hulk or blood berets. It looked pretty badass and the characters were in a dingy dungeon with tiles. I think the main dude was a dwarf maybe with a ciger? Any ideas what I mean?

Does anyone have any sort of list of the Dust Tactics units, particularly mechs and such? Is there a good wiki?

>>96146421
>Wait, what's the fucking difference between Void 1.1 and Void 2.0? Which one is the latest one? Why Seb-games is listing Void 2.0 boxes in the Void 1.1 category?
This is drastically simplifying, but Void was kind of killed on the vine. They didn't finish making all the options back in the day; Grendel's been kind of coasting with it the same way Prince August did with Warzone. From what I understand Void 2 is Seb Games taking over the new production license and filling out some stuff for a new edition. Haven't seriously looked into it yet, got other things that interest me more.

>>96149636
> aa wouldn't work for Napoleonic, that's better for IF YOU
Shit take, not saying AA would be better but any game where one side gets to move and apply all its force without recourse from the other side is stupid and anti simulationist. That's just not how battles work.
> Random activation
Always shit. The game is based on piece trading but it can randomly become IGOYOUGO all over again. It's pure shit and about one step above the absolute trash of AoS double turn shit.
> It doesn't work when you are moving whole units
If you can't see how in platoon/company sized skirmish games a single unit is essentially a single model you might be retarded. AA breaks down with gross disparity in unit counts and no mechanism to balance out the power of spamming small (or shitty) units to bait out all the opponents activations before activating shit you can about.
> Alternating phases
Better than IGOYOUGO purely by the fact that IGOYOUGO is pure shit for damn near any game.
> I like (random activation mechanic)
That's great. It's not for everyone or every game.

>>96150289
no one asked for your shitty opinion about the shitty opinions of other anons that a third anon asked for

Would Loin Rampant/Dragon Rampant work with Saga model counts? ie 4 and 8 instead of 6 and 12? Maybe using 8 dice too. Not just fielding 8 models but using wound tokens to act as the full 12.

I want to get some people into tabletop games (I've never played any wargames myself) and think Saga's model and unit count would be easier for people to test the waters with, purchase and paint up. But I like that Lion/Dragon Rampant allows a player to choose any historical or fantasy army and you don't have to learn faction specific rules.

Anyone here ever play Firelock 198X? Saw it mentioned in another thread and wanted to hear y'alls take on it.

>>96149636
>Your entire army needs to advance together,
Needs why? Doesn't actually increase in versimilitude? Or does it just please the autism of liking straight lines?>>96149636
>In Billhooks your army is divided into three sections, the left, middle, and right wings of the army essentially. Each wing is lead by a commander. Each commander has a card. The cards are randomly drawn from a deck, similar to Bolt Actions random activation mechanic
This seems like a terrible mishmash of random activation and igougo for no mechanical gain.

>>96150289
>AA breaks down with gross disparity in unit counts and no mechanism to balance out the power of spamming small (or shitty) units to bait out all the opponents activations before activating shit you can about.
I don't think AA is the best activation, but it's always weird to me to see igougo proponents complain about AA, when its biggest drawback is it becomes igougo when implemented poorly.

>>96149796
Fantasy aesthetic peaked in the 2000s, the 3.5, Eberron, Warcraft, old Warhammer Fantasy, and old Warmahordes days.

Does anyone know if theres a scenario book for an ACW game that has a scenario for Bufords delaying action on the eve of Gettysburg?

>>96150695
Woops this is /awg/. I searched the catalog for /hwg/ and this was the thread that showed up. Didn't look before posting

>>96150693
>Eberron, Warcraft
What a terrible take

>>96150707
What's your "good" take, then? You nogames, friendless cunt

>>96150707

>>96150673
>does it please the autism of keeping straight lines
No, it leads to unrealistic outcomes where a small portion of the line (yes, LINE INFANTRY in Napoleonic times fight in lines) is way ahead of the rest of the formation and can be flanked on both sides. This is fine if you're playing Warhammer Fantasy or Oathmark or some shit, but it's not fine in a true historical rank and flank game, and there is a reason 100% of historical rank and flank games use IGOUGO, because it most accurately simulates realistic troops formations and maneuver.

Classical wargame rank and flank in general is pretty hokey. In almost all cases it turns into micromanaging one unit at a time into slinging themselves around into a barely exposed corner of a unit to get maximum combat bonuses.
God forbid you get free repositioning and stuff. Seeing people sling about into a slightly out of position frontline unit surrounded by allies, wipe them in a turn, and then spin around to face again? What the fuck was that?
It feels more suited for a vehicular combat game where you're all trying to t-bone each other.

>>96151134
Sounds like you played a game of Oathmark

In 100% seriousness, I'm looking for a ruleset where I can play some Border Patrol or ICE special agents with my two bros, where we hunt illegals Mexicans and cartel members.

Does anyone have any suggestions for rulesets and where I might find some models that will work?

>>96151206
I feel like any modern skirmish game would handle that.

>>96150943
Then why IGOUGO when there are better alternatives like phases or preplanning?

>>96151206
Asymmetric Warfare, you can also play Haywire, which is designed to be solo/co-op against NPCs

>>96151206
Based

>>96150464
it's fucking great.
some fools would call it modern, but the wise know better.

>>96151173
Or warhammer fantasy, or kings of war. I can't speak for historical rules but any time I've seen fantasy rank and flank it turns out to be bumper cars instead.

>>96151206
Fuck you

>>96150943
>No, it leads to unrealistic outcomes where a small portion of the line (yes, LINE INFANTRY in Napoleonic times fight in lines) is way ahead of the rest of the formation and can be flanked on both sides.
Okay, but that doesn't seem all that ahistorical. One formation overextending in the chaos of battle and being out of line which opens up a gap to exploit seems like something you see regularly in historical accounts.

>>96151206

>>96150943
Proper historicals don't use IGOUGO - they use orders filtered down through commanders that can command only parts of their forces at a time or must rely on crude army wide orders given with flags. So you would have different commanders in charge of say center, flanks, cavalry and artillery. And if one of your commanders fucks around or killed you can get a part of your lines rolled over or just sitting back doing fuck all.

>>96151206
Spectre Miniatures makes lots of law enforcement and special agents models. Keep in mind most "tactical" law enforcement in the US wear the exact same gear and weapons as sof guys since they try to larp as tacticool operators, so really lots of stuff can work if you paint ICE or CBP on their plate carrier. Spectre Miniatures makes some criminals too, but I don't know if they have the wetbacks you're looking for specifically. They used to have a cartel gang but I just checked their website and didn't see it anymore

>>96151722
Any examples of that?

>>96151746
No.he has never played a game like that. He's being a contrarian and acting like kreigsspiel or some other shit played by 3 people in the 1880s is "proper" historical gaming

>>96151749
Dang. I'm working on a space combat game and was hoping to mine it for ideas, because I've decided each of five countries will have a different activation mechanic.

>>96149356
Prepainted is a downside to many people, despite how often you hear and read about how much painting is annoying or sucks. It's part of the hobby and if you sell things prepainted (at a higher pricetag, naturally), then you have a much smaller group of potential buyers.

>>96150438

Reduced model units work pretty well in the games, but reducing the number of attack dice would make elite infantry and cavalry nearly unkillable.

>>96151746
Force on force comes to mind.

>>96150693
>old Warhammer Fantasy
>2000s
What are you on about? No wonder you think Wayne Reynolds belt nonsense looks good.
Old WHF is correct as top tier fantasy aesthetics, bult old WHF comes from the late 80s and early 90s, which is the true peak of fantasy art, where you have guys like Blanche, Elmore, DiTerlizzi, Brom, etc. as central influences.

GOD DAMN IT

>>96136319 (OP)
>What's your favourite manufacturer you want to shill for?

Mantic. Their older ranges are pretty rough but they have been producing pretty consistently decent minis since around Ogres/Undead. I think of them as GW in a friendlier timeline desu. I'm not really gonna oversell them in the same way I wouldn't oversell the others I like such as WGA (some kits great, some just average), Victrix and Perries (amazing detail but a bit delicate in places) or North Star (surprisingly "modern" sculpts if a little soft on detail, maybe more utilitarian than exciting and best mixed up).

Warlord cops a lot of shit and I figured out who at least one studio painter was and their own stuff was ok, idk, I feel like Warlord is almost GW like in size and therefore difficult to gauge what they are doing lol. I know they are much more successful than you would think from reading here.

Warlord I just wish would update the older plastic kits, and make more kits generally. When they do a plastic multipart kit they generally do alright. When they bring in other kits and resin I start to lose interest

>>96136425
I hate AI anything and have just generally opted for being a luddite about it until it smacks me in the face. I will never consciously interact with it or pay for it if it can be helped.

I'm happy for people who use it and who enjoy it and get something out of it to do what they want, however.

Pillage is in a very crowded space. Even dark age skirmish games have a lot of options.

The army packs Victrix did look good though. I want to pick up some Late Roman Heavy Cavalry, and some Saxon Heavy Infantry.

>>96136798
Well if you go on Amazon you'll find John Lambshead's recent One Hour Skirmish Wargames. I have seen that Bretheren Game but don't know anything about it... there's always good old Fistful of Lead. Some people quite like SAGA. I like Lion Rampant well enough (though D.R. is truthfully more flexible).

Idk simultaneously I'm not inclined to buy it but I understand a lot of one man bands will be using AI these days. I have really enjoyed a lot of the Donald Featherstone, Charlie Wiesencraft, George Gush reprints and books by Bob Codery that John Curry has redone for Amazon and Lulu.

Maybe you guys would be disappointed by the tables and the simplicity but I love the conversational tone and historical tidbits

>>96151767
So still treat 1 model as 1 hit point. If a unit goes does down from 4 to 8 models dice will also go down from 12 to 6?

>>96151880

Yeah. Reduced model units should work just fine, but keep the amount of attack dice the same.

>>96144929
Doomed-kun I have a question
In the early part of my book about movement there are some notes around leader movement that are unclear, p11 "if a unit can its Warband Leader..." This has been driving me crazy since last night. It's a bit of an early stumbling block for me.

Otherwise, I am pretty excited for Doomage? My intent is to build a 5 man inheritor court and a 5 man unit of the lost. Will do similar for two horrors (incl. some "Hand" cultists) to add to my small pool of Stargrave minis.

Always open to good suggestions for parts for kitbashing the more cybernetic, biological mutation bits.

>>96151776
I would criticise but I unironically like Dragonlance.

>>96151856
Or Gripping Beast (good overall but soft detail on the faces, starting to show a bit of age) and wtf releasing a Welsh kit with no bows....Roman and Gothic cavalry kits could have just been the same with spare heads like Victrix

>>96151722
The written orders thing requires a GM, usually.

Most modern games have rolls for initiative. in DBA and DBMM you roll for the number of actions or PIPS

>>96151134
When did you play an historical wargame?

Generally speaking ancient and medieval battles involve a linear clash with one flank giving out due to pressure and being rolled. Usually people are exploiting weaknesses in the front line to create a flanking effect, not corkscrewing around the corners of each others' regiments.

>>96151905
Are the Gothic and Roman cav kit literally the same but with different heads on the sprues?
And do you know if they fit with Victrix? Like if I wanted to have a unit of mixed Victrix and GBP would they look OK together?

From the pictures I've seen the GBP poses on the Gothic cavalry look weird.

>>96151935
I don't normally scalefag especially with Victrix, because honestly in about 75% of cases it's not a problem, but I would say the Gripping Beast figures are simulteaneously a bit on the smaller side and they are the same kit with different heads and shields. Their cataphracts are different although Gothic cataphracts is a bit of a rule of cool thing.

>>96151945
>simulteaneously

also don't get it twisted, pretty much the entire Gripping Beast line is in my view better than its reputation, it's just starting to show its age a little bit. More recent kits are better. The Roman cavalry are a bit nicer than the Roman infantry. And swapping shields between kits that are in design the same is moot ie kitbashing between near identical kits is a waste of dry fit time.

>>96151935
Note that Victrix do the same for Late Romans and Goths, because this era is German on German violence in Italian clothes. Goths are using spangenhelms and plumes a lot more, less mail and scale and round rather than oval shields but a lot of the clothing and equipment is pretty similar.

>>96151980
Yeah, but they don't sell them as two different kits, at least not for the late roman infantry and cavalry.

I'm not sure what's going on with the Norman's, late Saxon and Anglo-Saxon Danes because the sprues look very similar.

>>96138122
It's pretty cool you can post from Mars. I hope they send you a better phone camera tho.

>>96152005
well as with most Armies in Europe for this era dress varied slightly but equipment was very similar. Saxons are anglo Danes via marriage by 1066

Konflikt '47 update: I now have plenty of rift tech units for my 7th Indian Division / British 8th Army. I want Automated Infantry, but I'm gonna hold out for a plastic kit, I've heard the metal one is miserable.

>>96151893
I read it as "Add +1 to the QL roll if the unit can see its Warband Leader" since it makes sense for the leader to be the one coordinating the groups movement. Agents on their own will have a harder time doing tactical manoeuvring.

When it comes to kitbashing just go ham. Sometimes I create a whole miniature around a cool bit I really want to use. Also, you can chop up larger bits and use pieces of them in unconventional ways. Just because the sculptor intended it to be something specific doesn't mean it can't be used as something entirely different.

>>96150799
Warcraft was actually okay, even if they concept art was better.
>2000s Warcraft
Makes me think wow pauldron core.

>>96151776
I meant to say Warhammer Fantasy from 7th and 8th, when the lore was getting serious and had a tinge of gritty, and the art by Paul Dainton captured what the world of Warhammer was like. I only said 'old' because Warhammer Fantasy is now called The Old World, which was a mistake on my part.

>>96149909
This one?
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5501/death-in-the-dark
RAFM is closed down though.

why are mass battle fantasy rules all derivatives of warhammer with a weird obsession with wheeling and charge arcs, rather than just like making a good mass battle game about command and control like the historical guys do lol

>>96152369
Finish your bases, saar.

>>96152369
Is this some strange Punjabi immigrants power fantasy?

>>96153431
I did a squad of Indians because the 8th army box included them, and then a guy over in /hwg/ had an absolute freakout over the mere presence of indians, so I decided to lean into it.

>>96153463
>had an absolute freakout over the mere presence on indians
A justified reaction, they are revolting

>>96151206
this sounds like a kickass game idea lmao, idk why I have never thought of it before

>>96153490
I'm adding another Sikh unit to the army just for you.

>>96153541
>I'm gonna be repulsive/retarded... to get back at YOU!!!! That'll teach you!!!
Yeah...

>>96153463
pajeets are revolting and no amount of cope makes you any less so

>>96153574
>man pursues his hobby, to his pleasure
>this is framed as something negative
NTA, post models.

Any war games made for space ship corridor or dungeon crawling adventures, like pic related? I'm looking for both sci-fi and fantasy games. I want to do some corridor/dungeon crawling but I don't want to play some fagshit RPG

>>96153588
Stargrave is good for this, I'm told.

>>96153584
he's not pursuing his hobby, he has said twice now he's only doing it to offend other anons. If he was doing it because he loves pajeets that would be based, but he's doing it because he can't stop thinking about other people's opinions, which is untermensch slave morality behavior

>>96153599
Hmm, unfortunately I don't enjoy the ____grave family of games d20 combat system, it's really unenjoyable to me

>>96153600
The first squad and the two weapons teams were purely for love of history before I was even posting them in /hwg/. It's only the heavy infantry that I did to upset the other guy, and even then, I think they're cool. I'm having a friend print out a scimitar that I'll give to the NCO for aesthetics.

>>96153608
>love of history
Just a minute ago you said you only included them because they came in the box set

>>96153490
>>96153581
>revolting
They're just exercising their rights as free people.

>>96153647
>meanwhile, the right they are choosing to exercise

>>96153624
The actual thing was
>Buy 8th Army platoon box
>Oh hey, Indian heads, could I include some Gurkhas?
>even a cursory Google makes it clear I'd want different heads for that
>grab some Ospreys from /hwg/'s trove
>read about the North Africa campaign while at work
>turns out the Indians had a big part of both North Africa and Burma
>including that one guy who held off a Japanese bayonet charge singlehandedly with his Bren
>Build a section of infantry, light mortar team, and AT rifle team with Indian heads
>post pics in /hwg/
>guy has freakout because he saw plastic toy brown people and got scared
>decide to lean into it
Did we need all that detail though?

Anyway. Hoping new K47 is good. The firefly kit looks decent but the new German heavy infantry is bad, so it's clearly hit or miss like usual for Warlord.

>>96153700
>German heavy infantry is bad, so it's clearly hit or miss like usual for Warlord.

It is. Not a bad thing in my opinion, because otherwise it would be hard to find them on ebay.
My hope is to get a sprue of those german heavy infantry for cheap after the initial dust has settled, and convert at least one of them it into not-terminators for Five Parsecs.

Just ordered the Bug Hunt book, so i finally will have all 3 books complete.

After postponing their Crowdfunder for some months, apparently in September it will finally go live according to the latest OPR news post there.

I'm not a fan of their decision to go with single piece/monopose PVC minis instead of letting someone like WGA or Archon do the sprues for them, but at least they choose two of their best looking factions to be the two opposing forces of their starter set.

>>96151890
Cool, thanks I'll try it out.

>>96136714
>>96138367
Got my Triad starter today and I have to say that the casting quality is fine in most cases but some bits are in rather unfortunate state. Seems like my box was manufactured almost two decades ago so there is hope that their current quality control is on higher level.

>>96153822

Yeah, I'd hope they'll partner with an established plastic miniatures manufacturer to gain a bigger foothold in stores. Not that I'd buy any current OPR minis because I find them to be awfully bland... But more competition in the wargame market is a good thing.

>>96154059
Their Not-Necrons are really a bit boring, but the Space Lizards are nice. Depending on their prices during that campaign i might get some of them.

>>96154111
I like them, but more than that no one does proxy necrons lol
It's good to have more options when everyone just wants to make more fucking guard.

>>96153180
How did you do that?! Yes!!! It is that one. Im going to save that image and start looking on sites for a copy. I just love the vibe. Thank you.

>>96151758
But, especially with harder pre painted, you can just spray and paint over it?

Are there any wargames that have a lot of lore and the like in their rulebooks?

>>96153588
Corespace, but i think its more board than war game.

>>96154449
Warhammer 40k

>>96154406
Why pay extra for prepainted minis to spray over them? Rightfully, people buy the cheaper unpainted plastics if they want to paint themselves.

>>96151636
>>96150943
A) this isn't /hwg/ it's better, mostly because one of these two people should be shot
B) one of the critical problems of Nappy warfare IRL was getting the line to advance evenly with the constant friction of command, terrain, and troops' willingness to follow orders. The side that moved first often became heavily disrupted on the advance, which the enemy could exploit as gaps and bulges appeared in the line. Movement like Clash of Spears' is the best overall simulation - Troops have no AP of their own. Each officer has several CP and can coordinate the movement of multiple units with them, but troops become fatigued quickly and oversaturating your officer corps just leads to the army becoming a disorganized mess that struggles to do shit. Embedding officers makes their own unit more reactive but at the expense of coordinating with the rest of the force.

>>96151758
>>96154406
Not really, a lot of the prepaints use very heavy, latexy paints that clog the shit out of detail. Some of them come off fine, some of them I've had to use acetone and a q-tip to salvage detail. D&D prepaints, I'm looking at you.

>>96154356
NTA, but a lot of us have been gaming since the 1980s and took an interest in random cool shit long before Warhammer managed to finally corner the wargame market back in the early 2000s.

>>96154449
outside of the GW sphere and Battletech, I really can't think of any besides new Trench Crusade?
and that's too new / still being formed so I can't recommend it yet until I see how it goes

Does any of the Frostgrave or Stargrave stuff have lore? Or is it just barebones for the scenarios?

>>96154356
If you email RAFM, you may be able to get a direct answer as to who took their end of production stock- they only closed a couple months ago, and iirc they still had the game available.

>>96154741
Xgrave has a little bit of lore, but mostly just enough to justify gameplay. More flavor text than setting guidebooks. Frostgrave ended up getting a handful of novels, but that's it in terms of fiction.

>>96154741
Infinity has lore in the rulebooks, and so do the Fallout games.

>>96154449
Yes void 1.1 has great lore in its book

>>96154684
Truthfully, pre painted has never had much of a price premium if any.

>>96154449
Halo Flashpoint is half decent for this. It doesn't give you a ton of stuff, but there's a pretty detailed timeline for the setting in the core rulebook and each of the unit cards have lore on that type of Spartan/alien and whatever weapon they're equipped with.

>>96154997
Prepainted Dust kits had an insane pricetag.

>>96151746
Hail Caesar comes to mind.

>>96150323
Shut the fuck up faggot I own this board

>>96153574
okay frog poster

>>96153305
Kek

>>96153463
Based. You do you, King.

>>96153463
Stuff like that is always neat, always loved when people done that in Bolt Action. Same WW2 Ethiopian armies using the semi-official booklet as guide.
Great job on your K47 models man.

>>96140445

>angular card buildings

comfy. gives me a DOS game vibe, like the original Xcom/UFO or Fallout

My new purchase! Im so happy to get this in good condition to play and display and archive. Another step in my dead wargame museum so the secret recipes never get truly lost.

>>96153290
>What is Fantasy Rules? What is Fantastic Battles? Why am I making stuff up?

>>96155784
>OMG I love token negros!!

>>96156143
Yeah, they are neat anon.
The whole Italy's Africa campaign, both pre-war and war era, is such an interesting pocket of history.

>>96156143

If I barely game due to scheduling that's actually not a negative as it gives more time for modeling and painting.

>>96150464
>Firelock
I only remember this thing from the picture, but the settings of that game is awesome

>>96156045
I'm jealous. I used to look at those boxes a lot as a kid. I really like those fire toad mechs.

>>96154741
>>96154449
Building new worlds (even with licensed IPs) was kind of FASA's whole thing. Crimson Skies, the Dr. Who and Star Trek RPGs, even Renegade Legion all got beefy sourcebooks and several of them got novels. There's a fan mirroring the original Crimson Skies fiction page, even.
From other companies, Heavy Gear has a decent amount of lore books along with some comics. Warzone/Mutant Chronicles is absolutely laden with it because they were trying to do the "multimedia franchise blitz" thing long before GW managed to pull it off. Legend of the Five Rings has had a living world since the 1990s. West End Games did acres of supplements for their Star Wars wargame/RPG that amount to a new universe. Basically, anything that came out before the D20 Boom/Bust is gonna have a lot of extra lore.

>>96154449
This Quar's War has multiple books fat with lore

anyone know of "post-apoc/scifi girl with rocket launcher" minis?

>>96157879
I feel like punk apocalyptic must have one.

>>96157879
Wargames Foundry has this in their Street Violence line. Honestly not sure if that is a rocket launcher, but there's not a lot else it could be.

>>96154356
>How did you do that?!
brain problems mostly
or more politely as >>96154722 put it.

>>96157879
Bad Squido from North Star. Their post apoc stuff is hit or miss but ymmv.
Should be able to put something together with Anvil's stuff too.

>>96157879
>anyone know of "post-apoc/scifi girl with rocket launcher" minis?
>hasslefree
Had a little girl who came with either a magnum or an LAW. It's still available second-hand. Obviously it's not much of an option otherwise now. They also briefly had a female modern trooper with a slung rocket launcher.
>Warlord
One of the weapons on the plastic Female Survivors sprues is an RPG-7. Also has a knapsack full of warheads. The old Terminator: Resistance sprues had a female trooper and a Stinger missile that's roughly compatible with either that body or the Project Z females.
Astonishingly, Reaper's got nothing, although there's a woman with a duffel bag who's prime conversion fodder.
Note that all of these are technically OoP.

>>96158664
Anvil definitely has missile options for their fem-operators.

>>96158907
Forget about hasslefree. They are done for. And this time for good it seems.

>>96158967
Oh believe me, I know. It's a shame. Figured they were done when GW poached Kev back right after the KS finished. I was kind of hoping they'd kick Dameon to the curb or at least force him down to an employee when they reincorporated, but no. He's right back on his bullshit.

>>96145712
>>96145020
More specifically, I was looking for "civilised" aliens. The kind that look like they could be using laser weapons and such.
The best I found is Khurasan's scifi collection: https://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/15mmscifi-infantry.html#alien-civilisations
The problem is:
1- He won't deliver to Europe
2- I already have a good collection of miniatures in 28-32mm
>>96146470
They could do, with a bit of kitbashing

Does anyone here have a comparison of WGA's Valkir Heavy Troopers to something like a modern GW space marine (like a 30k marine or a primarishit)? The only comparisons I can find are using the old Dreamforge Valkir Heavy Troopers.

>>96160867
Oh, nevermind, I managed to find one. Looks about to scale as an old pre-primarshit marine.

>>96161171
>>96161171
>>96161171