it peaked here, right here.

fpbp

>>96138793 (OP)
It peaked here

>>96138818
Spbp
Trvth nvke

>>96138818
Yeah peaked out of my ass!

>>96138793 (OP)
That's a pretty solid conversion of the HH beakies for sure.

>>96138793 (OP)
>it peaked with a nonexistent release
so it was never peak, I agree

>>96138793 (OP)
nah, the toes are retarded
You figure all the warhammer faggrog spam is more effective at fermenting underlying resentment or creating more fans out of internet parasitic community?

>>96138793 (OP)
ITT: zoombers who miss 7th edition

>>96138818
yeah, peaked in estrogen levels

>>96138793 (OP)
Nah, Primaris are far superior.

>>96139569
4th actually

>>96139772
>>96139569
4th/5th

>>96139737
horrible bait

>>96139737
>try to recreate the old aesthetic
sure thing honey

>>96139569
I'm a zoomer and I miss 5th

>>96138865
I'm not surprised that a 40kid puts models up his ass and shits them out.

This was peak. Before 5th onwards brought shit like the Stormpigeon and Centurions

>>96138793 (OP)
This but 44mm instead of 36

The real peak

>>96138793 (OP)
>>96138818
There's no need to fight over it

>>96139990
New sculpts with old aesthetics is peak desu wa

>>96140200
NOOOOO THERE'S
uh
FLANGES ON HIS KNEES
and uhhhhh
LINES ON HIS BACKPACK
FLAPS ON HIS EARS
IT'S SO RUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINED
I hate autists so much

>>96140199
Mk 8 VIII, my beloved

>>96140219
There's autism and autism. Those thing you mention disgust me in a Heresy mini, but they're fine in a 40k one.
40k SM mixing bits of old and new armour suits is right and proper. They're no longer the mass produced legionaries of 30k or Cawl's factory.

>>96140199
This but 44mm instead of 35mm

>>96140200
Still looks like a turd and brutally mogged by real truescale mk6 and mk7. There's no salvaging fakemarine designs, they should just drop them and pretend none of this crap was ever attempted.

>>96140323
>real truescale mk6 and mk7
there's no such thing. Even the HH beakies are a new design. You're just contrarian or high in nostagia

>>96140200
>still mkX
>stupid primaris ear flaps
>still no actual boltguns
>still destroying how the original units work
>still too big compared to the new CSM/30k/GK marine scale
There's plenty to fight over.

Primaris can be dope but there are two huge factors holding them back which will hopefully be dealt with in 11th:
>Too much uniformity in their armor marks, we're already seeing this be dealt with in the new SW/DW kits plus this motherfucker
>Weird-ass weapon segregation per unit. Aggressors and inceptors are the only units I can name off the top of my head with alternate loadouts on the entire squad.

>>96140520
>he doesn't like Incestors and Passive Aggressors
Ngmi

>>96140219
This but completely unironically. The retarded knee flanges ruined the primaris for me way worse than helmets. Heads were trivial to swap and never a real problem.

>>96140520
>Primaris can be dope but there are two huge factors holding them back
No, just one, their fat details (thigh plates, crested kneepads, the child safe blobby backpack (fatpack?), hubcaps on their ankles, we heard you like armour so we put armour on your armour and now you have fat shins).
They are never going to look aesthetic, because they look like toys with all the edges knocked off.

>>96140161

Ideal army size for a 28-32mm game desu.

>>96140520

It's funny, the whole gimmick of the Eldar back in the day was that you had super fragile units that all had a niche weapon so if you picked the right mix and used them like a scalpel you'd win. And now every army is like that. 5 man units leapfrogging each other. A marine squad is all flamers or all plasma or whatever.

I'm not even sure how I'd go about fixing it. You had scoring units and a max size requirement to take a heavy weapon in older editions but that made tactical marines feel like a tax.

>>96140502
>still too big compared to the new CSM/30k/GK marine scale

GW's fault for having
IG
Eldar
Dark eldar
Clow Eldar
SoS
SoB
Orks
Tau
Tyranids
Necron
Votann
Gene Cult
IK
Chaos IK
IA
AdMech
ALL at Perfect 1:60 Scale

And Firstborn at 1:80
And Primaris at 1:75

>>96138793 (OP)
Nah son it peaked right here.
Soak it in junior, take in the magnificence...

>>96140520
retard with tiny eyes
>>96141175
large eyed understander

>>96138793 (OP)
the new black templars, dark angels, and space wolves primaris absolutely blow this guy out of the water

some of the primaris stuff, especially the first wave specialists, were a bit lackluster, but the newer versions (shitty blood angels aside) have been some of the best marines GW has ever done full stop.

>>96138793 (OP)
This may be a photoshop, but it is also a vision of the future now that HH is moving forward into The Scouring.

>>96138793 (OP)
Pure soul. I love it.

>>96139569
5th is my home actually

>>96141233
>Regular-ass Boxnought
>Venerable Dreadnought
Peak. I love the Ven Dread kit, but the simpler days of a Boxnought just having a straight upgrade is sorely missed.

>>96140199
>No tactical rock molded onto the foot
>peak

>>96141391
It's because a lot of the new stuff just straight up look like firstborn. Especially anything Terminators and the entire Space Wolf release.

>>96141367
Yeah, that kit's pretty sweet
I'm salty you can't get it anymore and have to resort to prints and recasts, but hey, if GW isn't selling what I want, they aren't getting my money.

>>96141589
>It's because a lot of the new stuff just straight up look like firstborn
Nah, the best looking Space Wolves are pure Primaris.
Even the first born bits on some of the other kits could easily be done away with without deactivating from the coolness.

>>96140200
The left guy actually is pretty great. Those knee-flanges on the right guy are just atrocious. I don't know why they bother me so much, but I just hate them.

>>96140457
Probably referring to the various hobby applied names to broad conversion techniques "real scale" "true scale", etc.
But what do I know.

>>96138793 (OP)
Yep.
>>96138818
So ugly. Why do they fuck yo the proportions in the artwork? At least the actual models are better.

>>96141094
The knee flanges are a hobbyist dog whistle because they're incredibly easy to clean off if you don't want them. Slightly above average mold line cleaning technique.

>>96141589
All those primaris markers still exist in the BT releases though

>The Mk4 inspired face masks, and over all lack of the angry darth vader mouth from the Mk7/8 helmets
>The knee flanges
>The flat chest plates
>The extra thigh armor
>The MkX vambraces and backpacks
They just have a bunch more detail.
The secret is that EVERYONE always preferred marines with a bunch of extra shit on them. Fur, robes, capes, tabards, filigree, whatever.
Almost NOBODY preferred having basic bitch marine units that look straight out of the codex. Even Ultramarine players would add Roman flair.

THAT is why the original primaris releases had pushback, and why the vanguard units didn't solve that issue. It took until bladeguard vets with tabards and purity seals everywhere before the meter started to swing back.

>>96142395
also the fact that they lean away from gravis and its consequences have been a plus for me. the weird curvy ankles, thick ass platform moonboots, ultra thick leg cables, goofy landing struts and integrated jump packs in the flying ones.

gravis does not look good and i'll die on this hill. but normal primaris works fairly well, especially when it has the additional hip faulds

>>96140199
Miniature most likely to actually stab you.

>>96140520
>Too much uniformity in their armor marks
THAT'S THE POINT YOU MONG
they literally took
>every suit is a work of art, millennial old relics
and replaced it with
>yeah we're just going to standardized shit so much that even Horus heresy wasn't this thought out.
reminder that during the age of the emperor, power armour was not modular. you had 2 and 3 which was (normal and HEAVY) and that's it you couldn't produce pseudo termies, pseudo scouts or pseudo whatever.
it's thematically stupid and was likely designed to reduce design work costs overtime.
bet the knee flanges are like AoS shit too,

>>96142462
no actually that's the battle for Black Fire Pass goblins. they're small, their spears are molded, they're like legos man, you drop one from your WIP bench it's not like the multipart that shit is going deep into your foot.

>>96140161
while I'm not surprised I;m a bit disappointed their vehicles aren't red and yellow quartered too

>>96138793 (OP)
Where is this from, is it a leak for nu-scale mk7?

>>96144930
Isn't that guy from the first space marine heroes series?

The fact of the matter is that the Primaris range makes the most money out of everything GW ever produced which makes it the best. Grogtrannies cannot refute this.

>>96138793 (OP)
It peaked with a converted nu-beakie? Less than 3 years ago?
I don't mind nostalgia, but if you're too stupid to know what you're nostalgic for, your opinion means nothing.

>>96144930
It's a conversion with the nu-beakies.

>>96145096
No he's not.

>>96145142
Too pathetic to be bait

>>96145142
whatever makes my CEO the most monies = best for the game!

>>96141233
>Ideal army size
Based and true, brother
>An HQ and a couple troops used to be 500pts
Take me back, bros. Fuck this gay timeline.

>>96145344
kino

Like you say, it's just a nice size

>>96141233
>You had scoring units and a max size requirement to take a heavy weapon in older editions but that made tactical marines feel like a tax.
I used to feel the same but now with people Feilding armies containing 2 angron's with a single squad of bezerkers the logic of restricting things that way makes a lot more sense now

>>96138793 (OP)
Which kits make up this build?

>>96145807
I think the best variation on 40k-style listbuilding was Flames of War, where you had different company types where your line platoons were different and different company types had different battalion and regiment assets they could bring. This also worked in tandem where different company types were assigned different roles.

So, a Fortified Company always defended. A Tank Company attacked an Infantry company. Two companies of the same type generally took a meeting engagement. Obviously, not all companies were created equal competitively, but I thought it was a very good force org and listbuilding system.

>>96138793 (OP)
It peaked with Rogue Trader.

>>96146301
Why is the ork so small though

>>96146301
Nah, the Harlequins in White Dwarf; so yeah, right afterward

>>96146321
Because the Marine is particularly massive. That makes him cooler.

>>96138793 (OP)
base too big

>>96140219
And the pointless layered plating. And the giant shot-trap gorget. And the faggy earflaps. And the ankle-balls. And the dainty feet. And the girly thin waist. Look mate we get it, you just love eating shit, just slurping down those branded turds, omnomnom delicious - not everyone is a coprophilic corpocuck.

Primaris are shit. They'll always be shit, and the more they try to recapture the things that made the original marks of gear so iconic the more they simply emphasise their own inferior nature. Deal with it.

>>96146549
32mm is perfect for every Marine from 1986 onwards.

>>96140457
>doesn't convert
>doesn't 3D print
>doesn't even buy 3rd party
Why are you even in this hobby if you're just going to live and die by what GW deigns to shart onto your plate? People were making truescale Marines before Primaris were a glint in Jes' senile, cataracted, corpo-gelded old eye and it's never been easier to get them - in the classic designs - even if you're a total hobbylet.

>>96146658
74thp bp

>>96143054
>THAT'S THE POINT
That doesn't make it good.

>>96143054
>you couldn't produce pseudo termies
They had Terminators though. Why would they need imitations?
>pseudo scouts
They had scouts.

I fail to see the issue.

>>96141269
New CSM scale is perfect precisely because of that. It fixes everything.

>>96147116
No, as the other megaretard autist here says, true scale marines are about 44mm high in perfect 1:60 scale. A random football player would TOWER above that marine.

>>96147166
Marines are 7ft tall or around 2.1m tall. That's massive next to any normal sized person and the new CSM scale is accurate to that.
>but kasrkin
Kasrking were always bigger than regular humans.
>but minicompare
It's full of mistakes.

>>96146645
It looks so retarded.

>>96146645
Huh you are 100% right there anon

>>96147382
Agree to disagree

>>96146645
I get the appeal of 25mm because it minimizes the attention to the base and focus on the actual model but in practice 90% of models had half their feet hanging over the edge.

>>96139789
>>96140161
>>96140199
>>96141233
>>96141367
>>96145344
I miss 4th and 5th edition 40k like you wouldn't believe.

>>96141367
It's so stupid how they just used bits from the Death Company for these tacticals, leading to them having the Death Company saltires but painted golden.

>>96147166
gws minis have never been accurately scaled despite insistence otherwise

>>96147964
?

>>96141233
Which White Dwarf is this?

>>96139569
4th and 5th

>>96148038

>>96148068
It's like 300 or so, it was the resulting battle report after 3-4 months of the Will of Iron articles were a guy made a really lovely little Iron Warriors army with loads of conversions

>>96148192

The final army
I had a really similar army making use of Iron Hands metal bionic parts and such inspired by it.

>>96140520
>>96140200
>The less primaris it is the better it looks
Gonna put my thinking cap on for this one

>>96147964
>BA tactical squad
>forgotten
I weep. I lament, even.

>>96148335
NOOOOOOOOOO ANON STOP NOTICING

>>96139707
Post body

>>96148349
It's too late anon, I already see it. What mkX could be. What mkX should be.
The path is longer than the universe but we are moving faster than light.

>>96148335
What a strange idea! Preposterous!

>>96148389
>It's too late

>>96146301
Goddamn right

>>96138793 (OP)
Fools, amateurs all of you - The peak was right here in 1988

>>96148471
Sometimes you catch a glimpse of it, a specific angle with a specific miniature, and you think
>What if MkX leaned more into being a thicker mk7? Large smooth front plates. Less pointless detail and more purpose.

That armour, I see it in my dreams...

>>96148582
That's litterally the Sword Brethren range, as you posted. Thicc marines.

>>96148605
>literally
Don't use that word when you don't even understand what the post you're replying to is saying.

I said
>a glimpse
>a specific angel
>specific miniature
This should have clued you in.

>>96138990
Why is this image posted in every other thread these days?

>>96148687
Sometimes you catch a glimpse of it, a specific angle with a specific post, and you think
>What if /tg/ leaned more into being a gayer /v/? Large obnoxious posts. More pointless semantics and less purpose.

That post, I see it in this thread...

>>96148730
U mad bro? Go shove your primaris up your ass, they're thicc like you like it ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>96148728
Some fag trying to push a meme

>>96148856
Lmao nice. Got me.

>>96148582
>Sometimes you catch a glimpse of it
It's enough to make one weep ;_;

>>96138818
even now, almost 10 years later I still can't believe how badly they fucked it up. Mk VII is perfection. The helmet literally looks like an angry scowl. It perfectly sets your expectations for the tone of the setting. MK X (which is actually MK IV) looks like a generic bland future soldier. Also I hate the fluted knee pads, and bolt rifles are a straight aesthetic downgrade from bolters. I'm so glad I don't play space marines, even if 40k is unplayably bad now, I can still enjoy my models cause they aren't primarislop

>it peaked when i was a teenager
>every time

snoooooooooore

I genuinely can't tell the difference between primaris and normal marines. How do you people differentiate them?

>>96149629
Outside of the helmet? Autism and Primaries Derangement Syndrome

>>96142018
Isn't that something? First there is the complaint that the Primaris are "too tacticool" but as soon as they start getting more of their chapter swag there is something else to complain about.

>Rib vents
Mark X sucks

>>96148881
I'm the creator of the meme, I'm NOT the one spreading it though. It sorta spread it's wings and flew.

Just because you don't like a meme doesn't mean it wasn't successful.

>>96149809
>Just because you don't like a meme doesn't mean it wasn't successful.
Obviously.

>>96138818
I honestly just don't like the helmets, want to make them less derpy? Fine, but why give a nothingburger helm?

>>96149340
Never forget the bolt rifle scope anon...

>>96142309
>Why do they fuck yo the proportions in the artwork? At least the actual models are better.

Look up "heroic proportions".

>>96148244

This was such a good era for Chaos Marines. They had older and badly sculpted models(like the metal possessed marines) so to compensate you'd have to put in extra effort with your paint jobs and conversions.

>>96150104
He should've gotten rid of 1 marine to make that points cost closer to 1000.

Fucking idiot posting that in a white dwarf.

>>96149665
>oh we shoved a cherry on this shit sunday why don't you want it.
nigger, there were MANY issues with primarus,
knock one down and you got many more coming.

I don't really mind Mk X except for the helmets, power packs, vambraces, breastplate, tassets, greaves, poleyns, schynbalds, and ankle balls.

>>96145344
Nice army. I've just printed off almost this exact list for use in 4th edition games at home actually. Done the same with tyranids, orks, space marines, chaos marines, imperial guard, and eldar - all 1-2 HQ, 2-3 troops, and 3-4 other units for variety per army. No need for any more. And no flyers/LoW or whatever, just classic force org.

>>96150245
*Cuisses, not greaves, mb.

>>96150104
Yeah it was. Even as like a 14 year old I had a conscious idea I wanted to avoid the kind of dated 2nd/early 3rd Chaos metals and instead use everything from Necromunda Pit Fighter arms to Killa Kan engine bits on my Daemon Prince, all helped by the Bitz you could mail order.

>>96150231
>there were MANY issues with primarus
Like?

>>96150316
They look like Buzz Lightyear and I don't like anything about the fluff of them or Cawl

I think this mini belongs in here for anyone who hasn't seen it before. Every time I look at it I think about what could have been.

>The miniature you see here was made from scratch in blender, using measurements I took from a primaris marine to get the proportions right.

https://garethnicholasblog.wordpress.com/2022/05/30/mk-7-space-marine-in-primaris-scale/

>>96150337
The WH Heroes range proves they can do MKVII/VIII in truescale, they just don't want to.

>>96150316

>aesthetically
the helmet is the worst offender taking the mk4 and and making it worse and blander some how.
the stupid fucking flanges are fucking awful and considering they look like the older liberator's i suspect it was set up so that it'd be easier to design but that's a theory, cad boys could give more insight.

the designs for most of their range that aren't chapter specific are dogs shit.
no, don't go running to the templars or whatever. all of the jump pack marines. the desolators, the FUCKING JORTS AND THE COD SKULL MASKS.

>hobby
the 1 unit 1 weapon design profile was made for pasteswillers, gw wants you buying your models and never converting, see literally the horus heresy right now, and middle earth (rest in peace my beloved fountain court guards with shields)

>fluff
it's literally the inverse of the setting being a collection of mass produced, spiritually immune to chaos (might be subject to change considering a grey knight was corrupted) standardized and modular units designed to fight as a legion with extremely specialized rolls.
they're the anttithesis of the setting on principle and are tied with the marvelization of the setting.

their vehicles often break the setting, look stupid and really shouldn't exist in the setting. like seriously GW maded some bad tanks since Alan Bligh died.

their dreadnauts suck ass and i love levis. also imagine selling you 3 kits when it could have been an upgrade sprue.

i think this all metastasized into the sludge we have, it's cooperate, it's bland it's direct. it's a blatant cash grab but worst of all it coincides with the artistic decline of 40k. we don't have kopinski, aWayne England or Dave Gallagher. we don't have people who show you what could, everything has to be a model you can buy, not something you could create for yourself.

GW used to be a studio of young retards trying to make money making models, but now i wonder how many people have passion for it. it's rule by marketing.

>>96150961
>print lines

>>96150104
>(like the metal possessed marines)
The ones from 2006?

>>96148244
I miss when CSM were a dark reflection of loyalists and you could swaps parts between kits. I know you sort of can now but the barrier to entry and skill level required is a lot higher.

>>96152362
What's stopping you from doing arm, head and powerpack swaps today?
Back in the day you also dont tend to separate the torso and legs anyway.

>>96150961
If we're very, very lucky the Horus Heresy line might extend into the Scouring once they've exhausted everything else and we'll get a proper refresh of the Firstborn range.

primaris more like gay niggers

Primaris look great honestly, its the lore thats bullshit. If they had dropped it as a simple new armour mark and resize nobody would have bitched nearly as much.

>>96152499
They unfortunately have to do it like they did or else people would stop buying the tacticals/devastators/vanguards etc the moment the primaris kits enter the market.
That would lead to the old kits taking up storage space and costing money.
They had to make it so they can still sell older kits while also selling primaris kits. Its a classic market issue when you update a popular existing model of something.
You dont want to stop selling the older ranges you have in stock, but you dont want to have a "gap" where you wait until the older kits are out of stock before releasing the newer models. So you have to gradually phase out the older models, thus parallel selling must occur.

>>96152534
It would have been a better course of action to make the kits compatible. The first born scale is mostly right, its just they have rediculously short torsos. The heads, arms and power packs could have should have been made to be easily swappable.

>>96151730
Yeah GW give their Eavy Metal painters the 3D printed final prototypes to paint, as the box art and promo pics can't wait for the plastic moulds to be ready.

>>96152534
Did GW care about the old stock of these CSM when updating them???

>>96152534

and this is why the soul is gone from warhammer. ever since the company went public they will do shit like butcher their entire settings story to justify primaris models instead of just making them new tactical marines

>>96152594
>like butcher their entire settings story
I always found hilarious when people say this when the biggest lore sin that Primaris made were that they are just massive asspull, thing that Warhammer has never been a stranger to, specially the SM. For fucks sake, people say "butcher the entire setting" as if any other faction was affected by this

>>96152632

Space marines are the protagonists. theyve gone from dwindling super soldiers always at risk of corruption to perfect uncorruptable legions. with their figures of legend being revived 10000 years later for reasons ($$$)

>>96152632
>Space Marines
Baroque warrior monks whose numbers are ever dwindling, the technology of their creation barely understood, their geneseed stocks corrupted and degraded over millenia, standing in the shadow of their glorious forebears and semi-forgotten fathers, fighting a losing battle against all the horrors of the universe.
>NuHammer™ Primaris© Space Marines ®
Gigachad operators with unlimited numbers, cool gizmos that are being churned out constantly annd flawless geneseed. Oh and btw that primarch you who disappeared 10,000 years ago just came back lol

>>96152553
SM is by far the biggest faction. Their stock is a lot bigger than other faction's.
They updated the necrons easily enough, for example. Cant do that for the SM.

>>96152694
Lmao Space Marines being "ever dwindling" was never a thing. Like Eldars being a "dying" race but thousands can die in a random tragedy. Everything you said about the primaria can be applied to the firstborn.

>>96152694
>whose numbers are ever dwindling
In text only, at the end of the day they always recover from their losses, see Rynns World, 10th Black Crussade, The Siege of Fenris, etc
>heir geneseed stocks corrupted and degraded over millenia
Outside of renegade chapters or chapters with serious geneflaws, this barely happens
>standing in the shadow of their glorious forebears and semi-forgotten fathers
Eh it deppends, Iron Hands? Sure they were better in the GReat Crussade, White Scars or Blood Angels? They were doing fine after loosing their Primarch
>fighting a losing battle against all the horrors of the universe.
This still happens tho and it is said again and again
>Gigachad operators with unlimited numbers
They die on the dozens and have lost entire chapters
>cool gizmos that are being churned out constantly
Their technology its just a +1 Bolter, +1 Predator, +1 armor, etc. Its the same shit
>annd flawless geneseed
No? They still have those flaws as seen as how there are Primaris in the Death Company

>>96138818
I'll never get over how retarded the primaris fluff is. It couldn't just be a new armor upgrade.
>uhm akchually we just pulled a trillion marines out of uranus just in time for the 13th Black Crusade, nevermind we never used them for other apocalyptic events, or that no one found them in TEN THOUSAND YEARS.

>>96152418
I don't want that though, I hate how monopose everything's becoming. It's tolerable with the Heresy range because you have so many minis but 40k is massively losing customisation options, even ignoring the posing.

>>96152965
>40k is massively losing customisation options, even ignoring the posing.

Only if you source your model from GW. this is a non issue everywhere else.

>>96150337
>Made in Blender
>printed on a 4k resolution 3D printer too.
Alright I've been procrastinating on Blender sculpting and 3D printing. I'm convinced it is time now.

>>96153359
Why the fuck is EVERY 3rd party minis so over detailed? Also why dont we EVER see a painted 3rd party model? Only the render or unpainted.
This is way too much details for a mini. It wouldnt look good painted.

The designs might be healing but what still pisses me off about Primaris is the base size schizophrenia
>Tacticus/Phobos dudes are 32mm: Ok
>Gravis dudes are 40mm: Fair. They're big guys like Terminators.
>Characters like Captains & Sword Brethren in basic armor are 40mm: Why?
We need categories back

>>96153592
>This is way too much details for a mini. It wouldnt look good painted.
skill issue

>>96153858
Post mini.
Nobody decent enough at painting would find painting that detailed mess enjoyable.

>>96152418
Nostradamus here, GW will move tacticals and devastators over to the Scouring and bring back 7th edition assault marines as well.

>>96150316
The main and most glaring one? They are not classic marines. Doesn't matter how good or bad a redesign is, the fact that it's a redesign willl make it worse to someone that liked the original design.

All Geedubs had to do to fix the scale problem was make Guardsmen a little smaller. That's it.

>>96152534
>They unfortunately have to do it like they did or else people would stop buying the tacticals/devastators/vanguards etc the moment the primaris kits enter the market.
This is straight up bullshit. If they did a normal update this wouldn't even be an issue because people would buy the new versions of those kits like they do with any other update. Primaris releasing did mean no one bought classic marine kits even if they were still being sold and still playable because 1. they are in a different scale and 2. they gave the classic units the shittiest rules imaginable.
>That would lead to the old kits taking up storage space and costing money.
>They had to make it so they can still sell older kits while also selling primaris kits. Its a classic market issue when you update a popular existing model of something.
That's exactly what happened though.

>>96154571
Guardsmen were fine. Every other model was properly scaled to 28mm. It was just marines being tiny for no reason. All GW had to do was to fix the scale of space marines. And they did. In 30k and for Chaos armies. Not for normal space marines though because that would be too good.

>>96153591
It's really fun, I'm nowhere near that guy's level but I've made a few weapons and accessories for my armies and it's incredibly rewarding when you're holding your own printed design in your hand

>>96154479
I used to think GW were going to rinse the "newness" of primaris for 5-10 years until everyone had replaced their armies with primaris and sales started to tail off, and then asspull some story event about an ancient foe outsmarting/outgunning the primaris and "oh no however is the imperium going to survive" type thing, and then suddenly a brand new range of firstborn would be released just in time to save the galaxy with their "old ways are the best" tactics and wargear.
Sadly I think you're right though, we'll get the most boring option of Mk7 being released in "HH: the scouring" in a couple years. At least the boxes will be cheaper than 40k I guess, I'd pick up a couple armies for 4th edition games at home.

This thread really showed that reading comprehension is the real skill issue of /tg/

>>96154962
Shut up tranny

>>96154530
>the fact that it's a redesign willl make it worse to someone that liked the original design.
What a retarded take, by the same logic they should never update ugly models like the roided melting Catachans or the GK baby carrier because "but what about the people that like them?" Not to mention that people wanted them changed, or at the very least their height

>>96138818
>>96138825
samefag

>>96138818
Shitmaris muhreens

>>96138818
Primaris are literally just age of shitmar stormcasts back-translated to 40k. They were shit on launch, they will always be shit. The only appropriate response is to ignore them

>>96155724
Nah, Primaris where fucking sick at release. Dark Imperium is one of my favourite boxes GW ever put out. It's the lore, and everything that followed, that sucks imo

>>96155788
(You)

>>96154628
Best I can do is delete and copy and paste objects together like digital object jury rigging. I’ll get better I hope.

>>96155788
i dont like the specialized units

>>96152499
The Redemptor is too big.

>>96156106
I'm the guy you replied to, I couldn't even figure out how to rotate the screen when I started. Took a lot of practice to get halfway decent but very worth it now. Keep going!

>>96140161
yessir

>>96156296
Thanks man!

>>96142114
It's a huge weak point, your lizard brain whisper you to "strike thereeee".
It's the wrong shape for the function.

>>96149665
>that picture
TFW im literally the guy who who made that miniature that inspired that design
TFW Im actually a dark angels fan.

This is my legacy.

>Rib vents
>Thigh vents
For what possible reason?

This was peak looks for warhammer, ignore that they made these things in finecrap after making them in metal.

>>96156682
Desu the cross shield looks way better in those colors and when it looks like a massive Crux Terminatus vs. the Bladeguard's cross inside another cross

>>96152499
>>96152534
The most plausible explanation I’ve ever heard is that with player numbers at an all time low in 7th, they wanted to completely redesign how SM armies played to get new players in. Instead of the swiss army knife faction with a huge range and customization options, they wanted a smaller range with more obvious roles.
So they came up with a lore reason why these marines fought differently, and a lore reason why the old armies still existed (because they didn’t want to squat old marines overnight) while also heavily implying that the old shit was getting phased out. The old range was still there, but it was obvious to new players which ones they should buy
tl;dr GW was trying to simplify SM to appeal to Timmy

>>96156188
Well I can understand that, but it sorta makes sense from a loose lore perspective. Besides, even Firstborn have specialized units.

>>96153686
Zoomaris were literal mistake.

>>96139772
4th for me as well. Paymoreis are dogshit, and fuck GW for not doing what everybody was asking for and just truescaling. We'd have still re-bought our army without you having to buttfuck the lore.

>>96153686
to play devils advocate
your entire army looks fucking identical, the base size is the only way at a glance i can tell the leaders from the chaff

>>96156908
Or it was just money. I don’t see changing from Tac / Dev / Assault / Scout to god knows how many they have now would make it any simpler, but it certainly means people need to spend more it they want flamers and plasma.

>>96152724
There was a time when CSM was bigger faction then SM , 2002-2005, 3.5 Ed COdex CSM

>>96147166
For fucks sake, imagine dividing the fandom with Primaris and STILL making new regular human models progressively taller, defeating the whole point of the size change

I hate Primaris aspect warriors. Four kinds of marine infantry (three if you don't count scouts, back to four if you count FW Breachers) was perfectly fine.

My hobby group straight up refuses to play with First Born cucks. Either go Primaris or fuck off, you are now welcome in our space

>>96159885
>primaris marines are 1ft taller than fbms
>firstborn csms magically get 1ft taller

bravo, gw, bravo. keep on making lore to justify height increases

>>96160150
Warp power

>>96138793 (OP)
They are going to make MK7 marines in the 40 anniversary with CISmon fists.

>>96141233
After looking at the responses to this image, I did an experiment. Just... Something I thought'd be fun. I wrote an army list at current points that's roughly equivalent to that image, so this:
1x Captain
1x Redemptor (gun/fist 'naught)
2x5 Intercessor squads
1x10 Intercessor squad (it's 7 dudes in the image, but basically "larger tactical squad)
1x5 Desolation Squad (heavy weapon marines. there are a few options here, like hellblasters or eradicators, but I figured Desolation squads are the closest to the old devastator squad. It's a 5-man, not a 7-man, but it's the heavy weapons that matter)
2x Impulsors (dedicated transports)
1x Gladiator Lancer (medium tank)
1x Terminator Squad

Honestly a fine 10th ed list. It clocks in at 1300 points on the dot. Then I found that Newrecruit has the 3rd ed army building rules in it! Not quite 4th edition, but a lot of folks online advocate using the 3rd ed codexes anyway, so why the hell not? I built the list using 3rd ed points, aiming to get it as close as possible as it is on the picture:
1x Force Commander, power weapon, storm bolter, artificer armor
2x5 tacticals with Missile Launchers (Salamander tacticals apparently can't take lascannons in 3rd?)
1x7 tacticals, TH vet sarge, melta, flamer (double melta isn't an option), Rhino with smoke, extra armor
1x5 terminators (heavy flamer instead of AC, again a salamander quirk, I assume)
1x7 Devs, 2x multi-melta, rhino with smoke, extra armor
1x Pred destructor, lascannon sponsons, extra armor
1x Dreadnought, AC, stormbolter and fist, smoke launchers, extra armor
And this package, with upgrades (you could add a few more pointless ones like bionics on the commander or vet sarges in the smaller squads, but they don't appear to be modelled, so I didn't) clocks in at... DUN DUN DUN... 1178 points.
Less than the modern points. So this army, which people praise as the perfect size, is actually less points than the modern equivalent of pretty much the exact same size.

>>96155181
You're working off of the false premise that the classic marine designes needed to be scrapped. They didn't. Scale needed to be fixed but that doesn't require changing every design and unit in the army. As evidenced by CSM and 30k.

>>96160122
You don't have a hobby group and are merely making things up for the sake of getting attention on the internet.

It peaked in Horus Heresy because Simperial Fists had no Mark4.

>>96152549
I hate the new helmets, just aren't as iconic as the classic mark7 helmets

>>96141727
Hear hear

>>96152785
>Blood Angels? They were doing fine after loosing their Primarch
>Every single blood angel is destined to go insane with the black rage
I don't think they're doing that fine anon

>>96155172
>/pol/shirt
That's the board that defends Epstein's best friend.

>>96140144
It's the best way to paint nurgle armies. Just don't ask how they paint the slaneesh models.

>>96147116
I love the scale and the proportions of the Forgeworld Death Korps, it helps me visualize just how big some of the other units in my other armies are and I typically use one of the "at ease" guardsmen as a reference for normal human height.

>>96138793 (OP)
That boring, "safe marine" paintjob will never be peak anything

>>96140238
> gay ear flaps
oh no no no

Can someone who isn't a manchild explain to me why everyone is so butt mad at a marine having a mk IV helmet and thingies on his knees?

>>96163878
It seems to me they're mostly mad at GW for other reasons and shitting on the Primaris range is just an extension of that, has little to do with the aesthetic or quality

>>96154696
Your storytelling is middleschool tier.
Never touch any pen or keyboard ever again and never tell stories. Of the "old ways" were good the imperium wouldn’t have been consistently getting his ass ended to them and loosing ground from years 30 001 to 40 999

>>96163878
>a mk IV helmet
The Mk4 helmet has a kind of 'snout' faceplate that tapers outwards towards the bottom, the Primaris helmet is just flat. It doesn't work as well
>and thingies on his knees
They are a superficial detail which look starkly out of place. Marine legs typically used to have quite a flared silhouette, the knee bits on Primaris armour break the lines up
>someone who isn't a manchild explain to me why everyone is so butt mad
It's incredibly gay to do that, "if you have a different opinion, you're just being unreasonable," routine

>>96156642
>No replies
Thought so

>>96164210
>the knee bits on Primaris armour break the lines up
Now this is just pure exaggeration, they are barely noticeable most of the time and when you have the marine face to face it might as well be invisible

>>96164470
like when you're painting them?
you do paint miniatures don't you anon?

>>96159800
And that's fucking retarded. I should be able to tell a rank and file dude from a leader by looking at the model standing on said base

>>96148244
fuaaaark, that's sexy
this is the era i played as a nipper, and loved the kitbashing. i got a ton of lyalist stuff 2nd hate off a mates brother and turned them all chaos. it was mint

>>96152499
>Primaris look great honestly
They really don't, that's my primary issue with them. I never cared much about loyalist marines but the helmets, poses and vehicles are all downgrades in terms of aesthetic. Firstborn armies almost always look better than primaris ones. No, it's not nostalgia/grog googles, I got into 40k around 10 years ago.

>>96163878
>i like marines
>GW changes how marines look, what weapons they use, what vehicles they use and how their units work
>I don't like this
It's pretty simple really.

>>96167927
This 100%.
>Hover tanks
>Aspect warrior style squads
>Lore
>Gravis armour
>Phobos armour

The actual helmets are not that much of a problem to me, compared to all the shit I listed above. Swapping a helmet with an MK7 one is easy, converting retarded hover tanks back into a tracked vehicle is possible, but way more annoying.

>>96167965
>Aspect warrior style squads
I never really got this complaint. Whenever I saw people fielding marines back before 8th edition, they always kitted their squads with as many of the same weapon as they could get away with, and if a squad only could take a few special weapons, it generally never took any. Tacticals were always barebones (or just replaced by scouts who were cheaper), devastators always had 4x of the same weapon (lascannons, plasma cannons, grav once it became available, and so on) and any bodies beyond that were literally just ablative wounds, nothing more. Once Sternguard were introduced, you had full plasma or melta units always.
The whole "tactical squads equipped to handle a wide variety of threats" was always a fucking joke. People min-maxed the shit out of their units.

>>96167986
Assuming you're saying this in good faith, that's not what people mean. There's a significant difference between having, say, a devastator squad with half a dozen weapon options and having half a dozen squads of different sizes and armour types that can only carry a single type of weapon. Outside of the mechanical and aesthetic difference, having a small number of squads with lots of wargear options was the core design principle of space marines for 30 years. Primaris tossed all that aside with their squads.

Personally, I feel like primaris tried to do what the Legion era units do, but the execution is worse in every way.

>>96167998
As a non-marine player, it's never been a difference to me if you have a single unit with options, or two different units (that are effectively the same thing) with different weapons. But I get how it could feel different (despite not actually being different in the slightest) during listbuilding. As an example, I play Sisters right now, and Retributors currently work pretty much exactly like old devs. You got 4 ladies who actually matter, with some different options (actually it's just one option, but that's a balance issue) and an ablative wound. If Retributors got split up into three different units, one for each of their heavy weapons, that wouldn't make any difference at all to me. To me, this is basically what happened to marines. Hellblasters and Desolation Squads are just devastator variants split into different units, rather than presented as wargear options, but there's no actual difference between having those two datasheets, and one datasheet with two options. It probably felt a little barebones for marine players back in 8th, since they were used to having much more unit variety than everyone else (because lets face it, marines get more releases than everyone else combined, and this has been true for the game's entire lifespan) and their range suddenly got narrowed down (though not really, because in 7th every marine player I saw was just spamming grav anyway because it happened to be the best option at the time). But by now, with all the releases we've had since then, marines are spoiled for choice.

>>96165321
>like when you're painting them?
Do you paint the same miniature forever?

>>96168055
Having a unit for plasma, a unit for rockets, one for flamers etc means codex bloat, and you also need to buy a lot more boxes of miniatures.

>>96168055
>I play Sisters right now, and Retributors currently work pretty much exactly like old devs
Imagine if they kill retributors and then they release 3 units of different sizes, armour types, aesthetics and with different weapons instead of the classic heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multimelta which look different and have better stats that make the classic weapons completely obsolete. That's not retributors at all. Might aswell be a different army. Now compare the primaris squads with the 30k squads. You have Tactical support squads that can use any of the classic special weapons and heavy support squads that can use any of the heavy weapons. That's a much better way of doing it.

>>96168055
The mixed units are obviously superior because you can mix-and-match loadouts for diverse usage.

It peaked here.

>>96168086
I wish newer Warhammer media kept up the absolutely ridiculous scaling of the old art. Titans were clearly half a kilometer tall or even more, not just a measly 100 meters.

>>96168072
>Having a unit for plasma, a unit for rockets, one for flamers etc means codex bloat, and you also need to buy a lot more boxes of miniatures.
Ehhh, maybe for marines? But that's because they were already bloated as fuck (someone post that "what if dark eldar were treated like marines" image). And the amount of kits you need to buy is the same, even less in some cases. If I want to field a full unit of melta retributors, then I either gotta convert and take bits from other kits, which means buying more kits, or I buy two kits of retributors. If I wanted to field a unit of heavy weapon marines, I just pick up a single kit of whatever heavy weapon I want. CSM havocs have the same issue, but even worse, because if you want reaper cannons, then good fucking luck.
>>96168074
But that's not what the "aspect warrior marines" complaint has ever really seemed to be about, and that also happened long before 8th, with grav weapons completely superceding all previous weapons (and before that, when assault cannons suddenly became the best weapon in the marine arsenal in like 4th or 5th edition) and marine players weren't whining (as much) about it then. Now, "my old units are literally removed and I need to rebuy my whole collection" is a very valid complaint (though inevitable, I don't expect my current sister models to remain usable in two decades, as an example, and because of their much higher rate of releases, marine units suffer a much higher churn too).
>>96168080
I adressed this earlier, but no one actually does that. Sternguard are the best example. They *could* take a wide variety of combi-weapons, spreading their capabilities to attack anything in the game. But I have never, ever seen a sternguard unit with varied weaponry. It's always either full plasma, full melta, or full grav.

>>96154609
gimme dat long finga
at least marines practice trigger discipline

>>96168089
original fluff had them at only like 100ft even for the imperator, which eventually got bumped up to 40m. when that died it was an author free for all with some sticking to the scaling and others going all out. so it isnt a recent thing.

though i do agree titans should be taller, much taller.

>>96148728
It is a continuation of the "you missed the general" meme.
Quite frankly I understand the sentiment as threads like this only teach me that generals are good for /tg/.
And I am yet to encounter a properly good argument for why generals are bad for /tg/.

Tbh Primaris Marines itself is nowhere as bad as their walkers and tanks

>>96168106
>But that's because they were already bloated as fuck (someone post that "what if dark eldar were treated like marines" image). And the amount of kits you need to buy is the same, even less in some cases. If I want to field a full unit of melta retributors, then I either gotta convert and take bits from other kits, which means buying more kits, or I buy two kits of retributors. If I wanted to field a unit of heavy weapon marines, I just pick up a single kit of whatever heavy weapon I want. CSM havocs have the same issue, but even worse, because if you want reaper cannons, then good fucking luck.

Imagine Having to go through all of that. instead of just printing whatever.

>>96155724
stormcasts are cooler than marines. Though I do really like chaos marines in mk2.

>>96168106
>But that's not what the "aspect warrior marines" complaint has ever really seemed to be about, and that also happened long before 8th
Wrong. Primarisfags always try to make it though as people are complaining about not being able to mix weapons (which really shouldn't be restricted, more choice is always better) but nobody complains about that. We complain about taking classic, iconic and well established units that follow a consistent design principles and trashing all of them to sell the primaris squads that are only somewhat equivalent and with vastly inferior designs.

>>96168606
The Redemptor is entirely too big.

>>96168106
I wish mixed loadouts on veteran units were actually viable just because of how cool it looks.

This seems like a thread for aesthetic scholars. So I ask you this; which kits, once combined, make the best Space Marine?

>>96168067
If you're going to have Primaris units in your army, you're going to be painting more than 1 of them

>>96163878
That's not a MKIV helmet