Wouldn't a science fiction setting with advanced science and medicine be able to deal with a god of disease?

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>>96144730 (OP)
>Advanced science and medicine
The Imperium are the dumbasses who believe that if you don't praise your toaster, it's "machine spirit" will get mad and burn your breakfast.

>>96144730 (OP)
We have yet to conquer the common cold. In millennia.

>>96144730 (OP)
Half of the stuff nurgle makes happens to flesh and metal in almost an instant.

Nothing he does is slow.

>>96144730 (OP)
Science medicine can't defeat magical diseases anymore than tank armor can defeat magic fireballs.

>>96144738
The setting has medicine so far exceeding ours that they can revive a dead person shot with a huge bolter or Tyranid bioweapons.

>>96144787
99.9% of people living in the Imperium don't have access to that kind of medical tech.

>>96144787
>Taking videogame mechanics as Canon lore.
You're not actually this retarded, right?

>>96144826
The gene seed alone shows that their level of medicine is infinitely better than ours in 2025.

>>96144823
Space Marines should still be able to beat Nurgle, then. Or aren’t there enough of them?

>>96144838
99.99% of the Imperium are not Space Marines.

>>96144738
In fairness the toasters are possessed with daemons.

>>96144826
A majority of people think this, not saying its right but its a very common misconception

>>96144730 (OP)
>Wouldn't a science fiction setting with advanced science and medicine be able to deal with a god of disease?
Show me a science fiction setting, and I might be able to tell you.

>>96145001
>Warhammer 40,000 was an evolution of this taken to the opposite extreme (i.e., mostly science-fiction but with some fantasy elements).

Nurgle is a very very very busy man! He's making new plagues every 0.2 seconds and it's genuinely a scientific nightmare to try and patch them out or heal them up because they will just change or new ones will come up. Even if you picked a setting like Star Wars and threw every single Nurgle troop he has avaiable in it they could not possibly fight them all off. It's also hard to research plagues that kill you in 3 seconds. Nurgle makes so many plagues at the same time he needs his generals to carry around a little notebook detailing and remembering the names of every sinlge one even if they are just accidentally created. The general lack of healthcare in the 42nd millenium specially in but not exclusive to the imperium also feeds Nurgle and it's something most authorities in the imperium will do nothing over.

>>96145018
>some fantasy elements
>some
Sure thing buddy.

>>96144838
anon, there are so few space marines that most people in the imperium will never see one during their lives. including people living in active warzones. there's like a thousand or so chapters of a thousand marines. at that ratio of regular humans to SM, current day Earth would have like... one marine. maybe.

You know, a lot of doctors have pointed out that past a certain point, medical "advancements" or rather, greater dependence on medical technology and overreliance on new research actually worsens the quality and availability of healthcare at the population level. New machines and new drugs that the vast majority of patients won't ever need artificially inflate the time and cost of training for new doctors and the budgets of hospitals. It's great if you happen to have an illness that only the latest treatment works on and can get to a decent hospital to have it, but in the meantime, thousands of people are dying of things that ought to be treatable like pneumonia and heavy metal poisoning because there are so few people who can keep up with the new treatment and dozens of others like it on top of the old stuff and even fewer who can afford to try. And that's not even getting into other consequences of medical science like the drug resistance evolutionary arms race or the incentives for researchers to cover up mistakes, let alone commit deliberate fraud.

>>96144730 (OP)
Not if that science fiction setting was just a background to help sell toy soldiers. Introducing a super vaccine would invalidate an entire figure line and effect the profits of the shareholders.

>>96144744
Considered the following: advanced science is not millennia old

Nurgle is a sufficiently advanced disease you silly Billy.

>>96144730 (OP)
"It takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place." - Red Queen

The diseases get better as the medicine gets better, because the diseases humans can't deal with go extinct. The Imperium doesn't have any hard counters to classic diseases (e.g. turning meat into metal), so they're stuck with whatever Nurgle can pull off.

>>96144744
The "common cold" is actually not a specific disease, but a general term for viral infections of the upper respiratory tract. It's nonlethal because when, e.g., a rhinovirus becomes lethal, it becomes pneumonia instead.

>>96145021
Extremely lethal diseases are generally much less dangerous to populations than lower-lethality ones; there's a reason there was a global panic and millions dead for a ~1% lethality disease (coronavirus) but not ebola (~50% lethality rate).

>>96145537
>Extremely lethal diseases are generally much less dangerous to populations than lower-lethality ones; there's a reason there was a global panic and millions dead for a ~1% lethality disease (coronavirus) but not ebola (~50% lethality rate).
It's because in real life dead hosts have a harder time spreading infection to newer ones as opposed to how living and breathing ones do it, due to you know being dead and most diseases dying along with the body itself and not walking around. Now consider that Nurgle is the god of the plague zombie army and you come to the conclusion that's not really a issue he has to face. If anything the amount of gases being shat out of every single one of his followers only makes it easier.

>>96144730 (OP)
Science fantasy, you forget. The warp cannot be answered with science.

>>96145655
>The warp cannot be answered with science.
Not OUR science anyway. Chaos is fine understanding itself. The biggest scientist of all is Tzeentch.

>>96144730 (OP)
Salty chaosfags already beat you to this topic, OP. There was a world in 40k that used advanced tech to eradicate disease from their world. Nurgle was so insanely ass-blasted about it that he magically gave all of them infinity diseases at once and they died the end.

I'm only slightly exaggerating for comedic effect, but this is still a thing that happened. Nurgle actively punishes anyone that tries to get rid of disease. And, because chaosfag authors have zero chill or restraint when wanking themselves off, they just have to ask us all to please ignore that if nurgle can supposedly do this to an entire planet just because they upset him, why doesn't he use this same ability to spam plagues anywhere he wants to get rid of imperial space marines or other thorns in his side.

>>96145774
Tzeench doesn't understand anything at all. He acts at random and declares whatever happened part of the plan.

>>96145785
Perhaps he doesn’t do it because the cost of creating supernatural plagues on that scale would be impossible for him? There is a difference between infecting a planet with a super plague and infecting the entire galaxy. Not to mention both the Emperor and the other chaos gods would interfere. The emperor scarred nurgle’s garden after resurrecting Guilliman so they’re definitely on a similar power level.

>>96145900
He randomly understands everything anon. He’s just scatter brained.

>>96144730 (OP)
No. That's literally the point. The Imperium has retarded science and medicine.

>>96146014
I disagree. The imperium’s medical understanding is definitely greater than our own, since they understand genetic engineering. For example, cloning (Death Korps of Krieg), genetic modification (gland warriors), and life extending technology.

>>96145900
That's actually a pretty insightful comment. All of the chaos gods are like that in their own way. Blood for the blood god blaaaaargh except who's gonna do the fighting and killing? Sensation of any kind without bounds or limits ahhhhh! Except that pain is not pleasure and other sensations are also distinct, and it's pretty telling that all her outcomes always lead to ugliness and suffering and never, like... eternal blissful orgasm. Rot and decay and slime, mmmmmm! Ok, but much like the blood god you can't get those things without genesis or at the very least healing.

To us, it's obvious that the fantastic four are a consequence of some other effect and completely unsustainable by themselves. The characters in the setting can be forgiven for not understanding this very often since deep time scales are hard to comprehend and they have limited access to knowledge. But the actual question here is whether the fantastic four are themselves aware of how ridiculous they are?

I know Warhammer is a comedy franchise and all, but when it's that blatant the schtick gets a little old. It's like coming home from college and your little brother is reeking in his filthy room with some kind of shitty heavy metal music playing, trashy gorey posters on the walls, and he looks up at you with red eyes and grunts something stupid like "rock on, man!" while Adventure Time is flashing on the TV.

The fucking cringe. Not as cringe as Forgotten Realms, but Warhammer is definitely extremely dated these days. Smells like GenX's abandoned hope.

>>96145785
>why doesn't he use this same ability to spam plagues anywhere he wants to get rid of imperial space marines or other thorns in his side.
Chaos Gods don't care about real space that much and are more interested in the Great Game, think about it as a passive income

>>96144738
This is true though. Not taking time to perform the correct canticles of toasting(setting the timer correctly) then the toasters machine spirit will either burn or undercook your toast.

>>96144730 (OP)
Anon, this happened. A planet used science to eradicate all disease from its world. Nurgle got so mad that he literally manifested into reality and bitch-slapped the planet so hard it became a daemon world. Basically, all the science in the world means nothing when magical gods control the setting as their playpen.

>>96146077
Only applies for a couple very specific high ranking or rich people. The average hive worlder probably doesn't have cough medicine or a working sewage system. They shit on the streets

>>96144832
Geneseed is literally so advanced that an entire galaxy-spanning cabal of living pseudo-immortal supercomputers utterly failed at improving it or even fully understanding it. It is far beyond the Imperium's current level of medical knowledge pre-Cawl and only exists because its essentially a self-replicating array of symbiotic organs rather than something you produce.

That being said, high-end Imperial medicine is very good, but as others have pointed out a vast, vast, vast majority of targets Nurgle would strike have terrible sanitation, medicine and health.

>>96146077
The imperium doesn't "understand" anything, they use that stuff because it's whatever survived from the galactic dark ages, they don't actually know how anything works, thy just let the red robed toaster man-machine thing sign to the in vitro machines and they get more clones. Anyone who may actually understand and know how to recreate/improve that tech is going to be marked as a Heretic or will be possessed by a demon or some shit.

>>96146479
I understand why it’s tempting to think that, but read an admec book. They definitely have an understanding of physics that matches if not exceeds ours. That they have rituals is a moot point ima universe where psykers and the warp exist.

>>96144730 (OP)
Nurgle's diseases are basically space magic, the only way to counter them is more magic

>>96144730 (OP)
It's not cost effective.

>>96144730 (OP)
there was a STC that hardcounted Nurgle but Dark Eldar stole it for the lulz

>>96144730 (OP)
Chaos exists and functions off several hundred layers of plot armor and writer bias.

>>96144730 (OP)
2 more weeks.

>>96146148
This is the kind of shit you either love or hate about 40k. The chaos gods are way too overbearing on the entire setting, for better or worse

>>96144730 (OP)
Just about every nurgle plague has a cure, but only those who can hear Isha's secret whispers can know how to make them and they're always changing

>>96144730 (OP)
the fact the Imperium has several planet types that range from (pre industrial shithole to literal oonga boonga stone age retards) their dispersal of tech is piss poor, then you have to account for the fact even with advance tech if your population is living in squalor with little if any safety standards than diseases is also going to be rampant, you average hiver will probably see nothing wrong with having their water supply also be next to their literal shit because they already live like shit, then you have the inevitable nature of nurgles plagues defy any actual laws a virus would usually have since warp shit so the actual cure ccould be something strange like looking at a guy (which is something nurgle literally did make as a way to slow down gorillaman when he came back since walking in front of people cure them of a blindness disease)

>>96144823
Also in this sense, the imperium is more 'realistic' than most impossible future sci fi societies, since it has somewhat of a cognizance of how fucking hard it would be to manage a galaxy spanning empire.

>>96146088
Someone as concerned about cringe as you probably shouldn't be interested in the story of a toy model game for children.

>>96144730 (OP)
Nurgle can infect and subvert machines, metaphysical rules, space, time, and general logic on a whim. What exactly do you expect simple advanced science to do when the mere act of doubting something can produce a miles long deathworm that eats your entire fucking city?

I doubt there's a more efficient cure with a doubt worm than a bolt pistol to the head. Fuck, that shit is crazy ass retarded way of infecting people.

>>96146088
The chaos gods being absurd, cartoonish exaggerations of themselves is one of the less silly things about Warhammer. They're not people pursuing rational agendas, they're psychic black holes of emotion that spread the madness they feed on.