Is there anything in 40k that would stand a chance against the Space Monsters of Gunbuster? Considering that the basic space monsters can survive laying their eggs in stars and the bigger ones can absorb black holes into their own biology and survive direct impacts from planets moving at relativistic speeds, I don't see anything but the rarest and strongest of archeotech being of any real value. With necron tech or DAOT archeotech you might be able to kill space monsters, but the sheer size of their swarms mean that no faction in 40 has *enough* of their heaviest firepower needed to do the job.

And before you try to pull chaos into this, remember that Space Monsters are endgame evolution psychics. Diebuster confirms this. Rewriting the laws of physics and teleporting halfway across the galaxy is all physic in nature. If there is a future where humanity evolves psychic mastery and shuts out chaos like the Emperor planned, Space Monsters are what is on the other side of that evolutionary hurdle. The Topless psychics from Diebuster would be easily alpha+ by 40ks metrics (with feats like moving planets with their minds) and that is just the early stepping stones of the space monster evolution tech tree.

>>96145679 (OP)
My dad.

Ask your dad about it.

>>96145679 (OP)
Goku easily solos Gunbuster

>>96145679 (OP)
what's their leadership score? one farseer + hemlock can lower their LD to a potential max of 8, then chip it down with mind war. if they have spirit stones they should be able to deal about 600 wounds over 1200 turns before they perils on average

otherwise, virus bomb?

>>96145784
I can't imagine how a virus bomb would even work on space monsters. They are entirely spaceborn, they don't really land on planets except as crash landings by accident or when badly injured.

Like, lets say you fire a virus bomb at a space monsters and hit it, Congrats, you have infected that space monster. There are usually going to be dozens of miles between it and the next closest space monster, even when they travel as a swarm, because space is big. How is it ever going to infect anything else? Whats your transmission vector? Airborne means nothing when there's no air, and without the protection of an electromagnetic field or atmosphere any individual spore or virus particle is going to get cooked by cosmic radiation in open space. Earth viruses can't even survive *sunlight* for long.

>>96145828
oh nah im just hitting the space monster with it on the assumption that its not immune to the life-eater virus
>the virus will die of radiation
actually i think it will die in the fire after it converts all the biological material to explosive gas and self-ignites

>>96145679 (OP)
The Doctor.

>>96145896
Okay, that will likely kill one of them.

What about the rest?

>>96145679 (OP)
>Bringing animeslop to a powerscaling competition
Yawn

>>96146112
i dunno, how many are there? 40k can only win with clark-tech space magic, so its really just a question of how many virus bombs i get

>>96146112
There sure was a lot of degeneracy in Gunbuster....

>>96146375
>so its really just a question of how many virus bombs i get

Probably not enough. To even loosely fill a volume of space that big, we are talking something above trillions. I'm not enough of a mathematician to be able to put a number to it, but its safe to say that its in the range of 'unfathomably large'.
To even make a dent in a space monster swam of that size, you'd have to be armed with enough virus bombs to perform a 'conventional' exterminatus of basically every living planet in the IoM. And I don't think event he IoM would keep all of that ordinance in one place.

And this isn't even all of the space monsters. This is just the space monsters that show up to *one fight*. Its important to remember that Gunbuster 1 ends with mankind using a black hole bomb to swallow up and destroy the middle 60% of the milky way galaxy to wipe out the densely clustered stars that the space monsters use as their favored breeding grounds. A level of firepower that is orders of magnitude above anything thats possible within 40k. It didn't solve a damn thing.

>>96146517
okay i checked, theres only one of that dude ever and he shows up alone after all the other ones die so its hordes OR the one big guy, not both, and not hordes of big guy. there's no way to know how big the cruisers are presumably because its a vibes anime, but they seem bigger than 40k ships so i guess they win

>>96146829
>okay i checked, theres only one of that dude ever and he shows up alone after all the other ones die so its hordes OR the one big guy, not both, and not hordes of big guy.

I'm guessing you mean the Exelio Variable Gravity Well, from Diebuster? That is correct, then, in that it is one of a kind as far as we know. The only space monster that survive a black hole and managed to absorb it as a power source rather than be consumed by it. Exelio is a beast.

But even the smaller space monsters have been shown shooting through planets to strike at fleets of ships that were hiding on the other side of them. Exelio may be the biggest and the strongest, but its would be a dangerous mistake to assume that means that the more common space monsters are therefore 'weak'.

>>96145731
/thread

I dont care if this thread is a shitpost, I FUCKING LOVE GUNBUSTER.

One day, I plan to make a Gunbuster themed knight, right after I'm done making my EVA themed knights (started with an Atrapos painted like 01)

Aim for the top, bros.

>mogs your setting power level easily

>>96147153
Paperclip maximizer is limited by the tools at is disposal. Just because it WANTS to re-order all of time and space into producing paperclips for maximum efficiency doesn't mean that it CAN. A paperclip maximizer running on nothing more than a dell desktop with no internet access is still effortlessly defeated by anyone who has enough of a will to press alt-f4 or unplug the machine.

>>96145679 (OP)
Necrons almost certainly would have a "Break Glass In Case of AU Sized Alien Ships" button that deploys their nega-proton hyper beam cannon or whatever the fuck

40k is like 2000 AD, the lore gets pushed forward because there's some gigantic crisis and then a solution just happens to exist already, the protagonists just need to find it.

>>96147264
Universal Paperclips is a specific thing in that genre:
https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html

>>96145679 (OP)
Why does everything need to be compared to 40K as a metric?
There are tons of settings that 40K would dominate, and there are tons of settings that would dominate 40K.
Get a better barometer.

>>96147468
Because this is /tg/, and 40k is the only scifi setting on the board.

>>96147468
In that case it's a perfect centerline for the barometer, like 0 Celsius.

>>96146894
>eats a black hole
When you're at that level of physics-breaking-stupid you might as well say they can juggle galactic clusters in one hand, ie, whatever the fuck they want, I don't have to explain shit it's magic-scifi.

Gunbuster is all style no substance.
You can essentially experience the whole anime by just watching this AMV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZaavNTCO5I

>>96147529
>no substance.
No substance? They explain time dilation, tau, gravity wells and mass-energy conversion using IRL physics! How many fucking animes do that?

>>96147529
>no substance

Look at this nigga, he didnt realize the science babble was actually relavant to the plot!

>>96147468
because people on the internet have this perception that 40k fans were some obnoxious powerscalers (despite every other setting having people like this) so now every faggot (like marcus vance) on ytub uses it as a punching bag

>>96147908
Back in the day there were some real obnoxious "40k is the strongest verse ever, chaos gods are ontologically invincible, tyranids are infinite, necrons can control reality" types presented with genuine sincerity. And even though it's been a long time since 2011, they've never been able to live it down.

>>96145679 (OP)
>With necron tech or DAOT archeotech you might be able to kill space monsters, but the sheer size of their swarms mean that no faction in 40 has *enough* of their heaviest firepower needed to do the job.
Necrons are exactly the ones you want to take on that job. Problem isn't even the weapons or production capability, they have both in spades - they literally use time-tech and black hole batteries on personal scale. Problem is that most of Necrons were crazy even when War in Heaven ended, but still had enough functional guys to keep their forces moving in a single direction. Now, after their Sleep a lot of them degenerated even further.

If you can find enough semi-functional Necrons to build a core of their forces they win. With post War in Heaven weapon ban repealed they turn Space Kaijus into sushi. They literally had a Time War going with the Old Ones.

>>96147935
absolutely but every universe has those types of people. see star wars fans for the last 30 years with muh 200 gigaton turbolasers

>>96147948
Necrons are certainly the faction with the best shot at it, but considering the sheer bullshit that Gunbuster Humanity was up to by the end of things the fact that the people of that setting eventually still gave up and went into hiding behind a big fuckoff wall to hide behind forever rather than keep fighting space monsters says a lot.
Like, Gunbuster humanity was capable of making a ship literally, physically indestructible and make human sized robots that could think black holes into existence on command with pinpoint precision enough to eat lightspeed weapons in midair... and they still couldn't see a version of the war that ended in victory.

>>96147935
Necrons could control reality in 2011?

>>96148105
It was an over-extrapolation of the Celestial Orrery, which can remotely cause supernova detonations like 3 times per millennium and is only ever used in unbelievably extreme circumstances. And represents the absolute pinnacle of Necron technology, one of a kind, their apex superweapon. Not something they can just do.

>>96147486
>Because this is /tg/, and 40k is the only scifi setting on the board.
Excuse you.

>>96148064
>Like, Gunbuster humanity was capable of making a ship literally, physically indestructible and make human sized robots that could think black holes into existence on command with pinpoint precision enough to eat lightspeed weapons in midair...
How the fuck do you lose at that point?

>>96148064
>Making a ship literally indestructible

Are you referring to the Excellion?
I seem to remember it getting it's ass beat in the last ep of the original show, and wasnt it destroyed in Diebuster?

Its been a while since i've watched the entirety of both, but even Gunbuster itself was almost entirely destroyed at the end.

>>96148504
By winning every battle and still losing the war. By realizing that all life, everywhere, in the universe eventually evolves into space monsters and that some day humans will too. That we are an evolutionary anomaly, and we will never find another 'civilization' out there that resembles us in any way that we can recognize... because galactic civilization exists, and its the space monsters. There will always, always, be more of them than there are of us. Not just in this galaxy, but all of the others as well.

We destroyed most of the galaxy just to try and stem the endless tide of space monsters in an absolutely horrific act of carnage, and it didn't change anything. We kept fighting, and kept fighting, and eventually we just gave up trying because we couldn't think of anything bigger we could possibly throw at the space monsters that wouldn't kill us too in the collateral damage. The space monsters are the inevitable, natural order of things. It was humanity that was in the wrong, and no amount of fighting could ever change that immutable truth.

>>96148504
Enemy uses Chronocannon from Lem's Star Diaries or some similar bullshit (Cyberiad omitted on purpose, due to how broken the achievements in it are).

>>96148656
The Excellion was a hell of a ship, bit it was just a warship. The Eltreum was the literally indestructible one, built during one of the generations-long offscreen relativistic timeskips. By some science we don't understand, the ship's hull is all one single molecule. It cannot be broken down into anything smaller than it already is. The science notes say that this artificial molecule materials, also named Eltreum, can theoretically be destroyed but only by contact with its antimatter equivalent (anti-Eltreum) which would naturally annihilate both in a conversion to pure energy. But since neither material is naturally occurring, anti-Eltreum doesn't exist unless someone goes out of their way to try and make some of it.

If I already enjoyed Gunbuster, should I watch Diebuster?

>>96148737
Oh crap, I entirely forgot about the Eltreum lol. Despite being my favorite anime, I purposely avoid watching it so that I can savor it sometime in the future.

Even thinking about the ending sequence gets me to tear up lol.

>>96148775
Diebuster is a different experience. It shares a lot of the same concepts and themes as Gunbuster, but its a lot more modern (circa 2003). If you liked FLCL and Gurren Lagann, I'd say yes, since it has a lot of the more over the top and wacky elements that Gainax started to do after FLCL.

>>96148775
Yes, but with the understanding that its from a very different era of the studio. Diebuster is closer in style and tone to something like TTGL than to the original Gunbuster, but while it takes a while to get there it ends up making the original even better IMO because of the extra weight it gives the events of Gunbuster with the added context of hindsight.

I can't tell you specifically how without spoiling it, but its only 6 episodes so go give it a watch and form your own opinion.

>>96148504
>>96148684
Basically this. Humans didn't lose physically in Gunbuster universe. They lost morally. Their spirit was crushed when galaxy after galaxy was just Space Kaijus flying around.
Resurgence happens only post Diabuster when humanity decides that "Fuck it! if they want a fight we are going to give them one". Shit escalates from there.

>>96148965
Did we ever get any post-Diebuster material that elaborated on that? Because IIRL they never actually say that they are leaving the solar system specifically to go fight space monsters again to wave the old flag. Just that humanity will no longer hide in the solar system and that extrasolar colonies that humanity had *assumed* would die on their own when they abandoned them and put the wall up have survived, and that contact with them is one by one being restored.

The fact that the human colonies still exist out there means that something about Earth's assumptions was wrong. Maybe the colonies came up with a weapons program that actually keeps the space monsters at bay. But, perhaps, the colonies came up with a way to communicate with the space monsters instead and there is some kind of peace now. We just don't know.

But I lean towards the 'peace' angle, because Gunbuster has a lot of The Forever War in it, and The Forever War ends with the soldiers coming back home from yet another relativistic timeskip and finding out that the war ended without them and the aliens and humanity have merged into one gestalt civilization now (which the paleo-humans don't understand at all) and finds the continued existence of the time-displaced soldiers of the war to be more of an embarrassing burden than anything else.

>>96149036
>But, perhaps, the colonies came up with a way to communicate with the space monsters instead and there is some kind of peace now.
What if we turned the Space Monsters into CUTE GIRLS?!

>>96149036
Nono class Buster Machines are perfectly capable of keeping star systems safe if they don't fuck around. Problem mostly stems from the fact that they are sapient and capable of depression over long enough spans of time and under enough pressure.

Post Diebuster you have a shortish manga/novel, but I don't remember if it was ever translated so most of my info is second hand. If I remember right they basically go into some kind of higher dimensions and fucking ontologically destroy the very idea of Space Kaijus by fighting with their "god". Meaning the very nature of the universe is rewritten by removing possibility for species to turn into Space Kaijus.

>>96149175
That sounds cheap, bad, and thankfully noncanon. Like Anima is to Evangelion.

>>96148684
I could see that leading to a nomadic type of society where the mega Type 3 human civilization flies the milky way around trying to dodge intergalactic monsters
Presumably, those big monsters fight each other and would likely care more about inter-monster conflicts than humans trying to escape it

>>96149319
Weirdly, no. The space monsters evolved from different worlds all seem pretty chill with each other. They fight alongside each other against us, and we don't know how they communicate.
We are the outliers. Spaceships shouldn't exist. If you haven't evolved the physical forms to exist in space yourself without any need of technology, you're not supposed to be here. Get the fuck back down on your planet where you belong until you have finished cooking.

>>96149401
>Get the fuck back down on your planet where you belong until you have finished cooking.
NO LITTLE ONES YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE YOU CAN NOT EVEN BREATH IN SPACE

>>96149401
This post kind of makes me want to do a Space Monster run in Stellaris and bully every civ I encounter that does not use organic shipsets back to their starting planet.

>>96147948
The necrons didn't do anything but get bent over by the old ones then came back and got bent over by orks/eldar. The ctan did the heavy lifting. That they came back as trannies is proof.

>>96149401
That feels a little arbitrary.

Like, every single solar system and galaxy in the *entire multiverse* is somehow on the same philosophical page about everything and anything?

>>96150083
All I can tell you is that we've never seen them fight each other, and that while humanity originally thought they were all one big species we eventually figured out that that were actually thousands or millions of different species that had undergone some kind of convergent evolution.
As for why they work together to attack us, the original theory (before we knew about the convergent evolution thing) was that they were some kind of galactic antibody that saw us as an invasive threat.
It's possible that there were species of space monster that went against the grain and got wiped out, or simply don't work with the ecosystem of space monsters that we were at war with. It could be that humans flying around in little metal ships is such a visceral affront to the natural order that everyone else agrees that we MUST be stopped. The why is uncertain, but the level of coordination among them is self evident.

>>96150208
Imagine trying to exterminate an anthill in your front yard, and instead of them dying, they kill your dog in retaliation. Then you come back a few days later and some ant in a mech suit comes by and kills half of your town, a year later they fucking nuke the country after mass producing a bunch of dog sized ant mechas.

I think that kind of puts things into how nuts Gunbuster is lmao.

>>96145731
But does any Dragonball OP come close to Gunbuster's?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boIq-ep5A9g

>>96147050
It was really good

>>96150411
Yeah, head cha-la btfo's it, sad to say.

The lamest versus threads are when you start a coughing baby/hydrogen bomb scenario and basically have to rely on unsuspecting outsiders to drip feed in to say "uh I dunno maybe they could shoot them?" so you can shit on them.
Unless someone comes at you first with a "heh that looks gay the chaos gods could simply wish it into unexistence..." bullshit it's just clubbing seals.

>>96150411
What you gotta appreciate is that they had the guts to made a Volleyball anime about universal space war.

>>96147908
Please stop saying powerscaling when you mean vs debating, powerscaling is an already established term which means degenerate extrapolation

>>96145679 (OP)
My orks
>but orks lost at Octarius
Mine didn't, and they're the protagonist of this story

>>96145679 (OP)
Diebuster was mid, therefore your argument is invalid

>>96152547
>a volleyball anime
It's a top gun anime with space mechs, retard. The reason volleyball is in at all is because it was in top gun. Did AIM FOR THE TOP, GUNbuster not tip you off?

>>96153539
You are very aggressive for someone wrong.
The sports themes of the early episodes of Gunbuster don't come from Top Gun, they come from the tennis anime Aim For The Ace, which is reflected in the title Aim For The Top.

>>96153539
>>96153577
>The title is a combination of the titles of classic tennis manga and anime Aim for the Ace! and hit action drama film Top Gun, whose plots inspired Gunbuster's.
Congrats, you're both right AND you're both wrong!

>>96150355
>>96150208
It probably *should* have just been one species, then it would have made sense. Some alien race became a biotitan hivemind in the very early universe, and has spent billions of years spreading to different galaxies making new biotitans out of entire stars.

I understand the whole "every alien species eventually becomes a hivemind/kaiju and they hate us!" is intended for the existential dread factor, but as a setting it kind of relies on fiat.

>>96154809
Granted its been a while since i've seen Gunbuster, but I dont remember them mentioning a whole lot about the space monsters themselves.

To be honest though, a lot of the lore is set dressing to have sick ass mecha fights so I dont think its all that deep when it comes to the kaijus themselves.

>>96154967
>To be honest though, a lot of the lore is set dressing to have sick ass mecha fights so I dont think its all that deep when it comes to the kaijus themselves.
Which is completely fine. It's scifi godzilla and the lore is justifying why there are a (literal) endless stream of gigantic kaiju to fight.

Gurren Lagan clearly took a lot of inspiration from Gunbuster for the anti-spiral, and used that as a springboard for saying more with the same-ish premise.

>>96155397
>Gurren Lagan clearly took a lot of inspiration from Gunbuster for the anti-spiral, and used that as a springboard for saying more with the same-ish premise.

What do you see of Gunbuster in the Anti-Spiral? Because I always saw that as much more of a Getter influence.

>>96153672
fukken lmao

>>96152705
true, i just have a bad habbit of using them interchangeably. plus a majority of people do just powerscale, most ‘vs debates’ fall apart because nobody actually wants to, they just want to drop the biggest number no matter how nonsensical it is

>>96155764
>Because I always saw that as much more of a Getter influence.
Well both were probably drawing from Getter to begin with...

>>96155397
>Gurren Lagan clearly took a lot of inspiration from Gunbuster
From Diebuster more like. Diebuster was basically a test run for TTGL, it being the prototrigger anime and all.

>>96147153
Which one would win, a machine that turns the universe into paperclips or Mantrid Drones turning the universe into Mantrid Drones?

>>96149401
>>96148965
>>96149175

Is Mass Effect just Gunbuster with some technicolor space babes thrown in?

>>96145679 (OP)
wtf even are the space monsters?

>>96160187
Women in Gunbuster have pubes, so no.

Also there were no uplifted dolphin navigators in Mass Effect.

>>96160757
Monsters in space

>>96145679 (OP)
Slaanesh

Eh, I'll take weebs being insecure about the power level of some obscure weebshit over yet another episode of Halo/Destiny kiddies doing it. At least there's the novelty factor this way.

>>96160920
>uplifted dolphin navigators
That truly was a period in scifi, wasn't it? Just like WW3 being a nuclear one and we just moved on from it.

>>96161980
Highly publicized dolphin experiments in the 1960s-1970s brought widespread awareness of dolphin intelligence to the mainstream. That's why Flipper was popular.

It was natural to imagine a future where humans and another terrestrial intelligent species were cooperating.

>>96160920
>Also there were no uplifted dolphin navigators in Mass Effect.
I'm sorry, there was no what?

>>96162004
In a world with sapient dolphins, how much more dolphin porn would you imagine there being? They would, after all, be able to consent.
>>96162015
Dolphins.

>>96162093
Scifi dolphins everywhere.

>>96162118
Live-action scifi dolphin porn uploaded straight into your brain.

>>96145679 (OP)
>Spacebattles powerlevel wank
No one but you autists care. This is a discussion for 14 year olds.
I think the Space Monsters are kinda neat. And the story they are in is cool. They are the way they are because of the story they are in. Putting them in a different story which has different tones and goals, is, at best, missing the point.

If you started this thread just to talk about Gun/Diebuster then cool. Carry on.

>>96162131
>>96162118
>ANONS
>FORGET ABOUT
>DARWIN

>>96160187
mass effect is babylon 5+berserkers

>>96160187
Mass Effect is just a really derivative scifi setting with the last 12 things the writers themselves read smooshed into a barely coherent excuse to fuck space babes.
I will never understand why people like it so much besides the space babes.

>>96162844
Nobody remembers Sea Quest.

>Humanity is ended by MWO

>>96161980
Personally I think the potential is much higher to uplift Corvids, simply because they are significantly easier to interact with, being land animals, and don't have murder in their hearts.

>>96162916
Dolphins may be the Rape Horses of the seas, but at least they aren't commies.

>>96162955
How are Corvids commies?
The live in family units. They are the definition of the nuclear family unit.
And they steal from each other all the fucking time.

>>96162895
/tv/ posts webms from it all the time.

>>96162989
It's a reference to Orcas attacking the rich.

>>96163045
I think thats just a statistical anomaly, since its mostly rich people who own boats.

On the other hand I think we really need to take it upon ourselves to ban uplifting Orcas right fucking now. They're already too damn smart. They have culturally agreed to not kill and eat humans, despite frequent opportunities. They decided that the creatures that nearly wiped out several species of dumber whales should not be fucked with and all agreed to it.

>>96162916
Problem is a bunch of New Age hippies didn't study them and try to fuck them, so they didn't get the same recognition.

>>96148019
Yes, but some fanboy writing a non-canon technical manual that has Star Destroyers firing Chicxulub craters from every gun but having the density of styrofoam it's funny. 40k fanboys have an obnoxious tendency to enter into discussions comparing franchises and not only immediately downplay everything not 40k but also to argue for a version of 40k that doesn't align with the actual fluff while immediately demanding the "rules" of the other franchise be invalidated and replaced by how 40k functions but the other franchise also doesn't know that.

>>96163398
This. 40k fans spent like a solid decade on this board doing nothing but arguing how much stronger 40k was than other settings, using a very specific set of arguments that anyone who was here before the first Trump presidency can probably quote from memory.

It happens less often these days, but only because /tg/ as a board doesn't *everything* less often these days, no one has bothered to program a bot to make crossover battle topic threads yet.

>>96147935
And the Halo kiddies have never recovered from the emotional trauma of realizing that “le glass le planet” isn’t actually an impressive feat.

>>96148504
Bad writing with flowery language, Japan’s real good at doing that.

>>96151916
> head cha-la
The WORST dragon ball opening btfos gunbuster? Damn, that OP must fucking suck, glad I didn’t open the link.

>>96162893
>I will never understand why people like it so much besides the space babes.
There was genuine love and care put into the world of the first game and Bioware has been coasting on that ever since

>>96163398
>but also to argue for a version of 40k that doesn't align with the actual fluff

I can agree on the downplaying though I don’t think I’ve ever seen too much of this, unless you mean how people occasionally insist SMs are routinely tanking autocannons because a couple of sources show it.

>>96164744
Movie marines is one
"Chaos instacorrupts all AI" is another huge one I see
I've also seen anons insist that any magic/spacemagic user would likewise instantly fall to Chaos
Or pretend the Imperium would be able to bring its full might to bear on anything at all when in lore they can't even focus on a tyranid hive fleet beelining directly for Terra

>>96164744
The most egregious I routinely saw was "literally any technology, especially AI, that isn't blessed by tech priests instantly and completely falls to Chaos." which constantly got extended to "anyone remotely important instantly and completely falls to chaos"

>>96150411
yes, any of them come close and even surpass it. Fuck off, you smell like old cum
/thread

>>96145679 (OP)

>>96164767
I like the "lasguns are actually insanely powerful and instantly melt steel and frag human bodies into chucks on a glancing hit, and they're the WEAKEST gun in the setting!" and then you look and they're just stubbers but laser.
>>96164767
>any magic/spacemagic user would likewise instantly fall to Chaos
I saw the being applied to entire factions. "X couldn't beat warhammer, their lust for war would lead to them all being corrupted by khorne!"
I mean even aside from chaos corruption happening at the speed of plot, is that even a loss scenario? Like great now the bloodthirsty warriors from a different universe are even more bloodthirsty and wear red. They're not dead or anything.

>>96164767
>"Chaos instacorrupts all AI" is another huge one I see
Which is weird when even within the setting there's plenty of AI not corrupted by Chaos.
>>96166627
I wouldn't say insanely powerful and there's plenty of variety between models, but for the most part they do seem to have the power of a full rifle cartridge at least. Bigger problem is that D6 gives pretty wide scale to work with. A 19mm explosive rocket and a .50 BMG are equally powerful, as is an emaciated pencil neck nerd and a roided up body builder capable of firing heavy machine guns from the hip.

>>96166627
>then you look and they're just stubbers but laser.
Lasguns are weaker than autoguns, which are LITERALLY ak47s.

That's right, a fucking AK47 gets armor piercing against space marine armor
>>96167305
Honestly I think a good chunk of tau hate is from powerbattles fags mad that their existence is a hard denial of a lot of pro-40K powerbattle arguments

>>96167752
>Lasguns are weaker than autoguns, which are LITERALLY ak47s.
Since when? In 2e lasguns had AP-1 while autoguns didn't, and in novels it's mentioned Navy prefers autoguns and shotguns to avoid puncturing hulls or damaging equipment during boarding action. Many lasguns are mentioned as being semi-automatic while auto weapons have high rates of fire, both equating to the same rapid fire S3 stats on the table. Autoguns are also caseless and use future materials, while stub weapons are equivalent to 20th century firearms.

>>96167793
Could've sworn it was autoguns that got the AP-1, not lasguns. Could easily be wrong tho.

>>96169268
Laspistols were bad at long range and lasguns had AP-1. Hot-shot power packs made lasguns and pistols S4, so they became effectively bolters.

>>96146420
>Jung in her underwear
Nice

>>96170877
>Laser pistol gets penalty to hit at long range
¿

>>96172058
Lasers loss efficiency and also diffuse at long range.

>>96172058
Laser doesn't fix issues with an unsupported firearm with short sight radius and all that jazz. Stub guns and plasma pistols also get -1 at long range. Autopistols can fire bursts, increasing their chance of scoring a hit. Same with shuriken pistols.

>>96145679 (OP)
Probably not.
I don't care for Gainax so I'll take your word for it

>>96145679 (OP)
Xenosaga can fit into this category. They have an enemy called the Gnosis which are actually the souls of people who refuse to join the collective conciousness. They can have many shapes and some are even made out of whole planets (which happens in game) or an entire Solar System.

Then of course comes the massive scale such as the size of such super structures as the Song of Nephilim and the even bigger Proto Merkabah and super weapons such as KOSMOS's Phase Transfer Cannon