/mtg/ - Magic: the Gathering General - /tg/ (#96146893) [Archived: 60 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:52:31 PM No.96146893
eoe-113-requiem-monolith
eoe-113-requiem-monolith
md5: 11a66c9249a77fa5139b5fcdb409f208🔍
Drawing Cards Edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96134103

>TQ
Post the card from EOE you're most excited to play with
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:55:22 PM No.96146916
eoe-247-thrumming-hivepool
eoe-247-thrumming-hivepool
md5: 8e169bda3940289483c49f6d7db6a467🔍
tqq
in Pioneer
Replies: >>96146926 >>96147219 >>96147671 >>96152710
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:56:51 PM No.96146926
noita-homunculus-1848094525
noita-homunculus-1848094525
md5: 4154ef4cf57cdccefc8391131bb29b67🔍
>>96146916
>you control
Replies: >>96146933 >>96146946
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:58:05 PM No.96146933
>>96146926
It makes sense because it isn't a sliver. It's an artifact you control that produces slivers and grants them certain properties.
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:58:48 PM No.96146938
>>96146933
No.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:59:32 PM No.96146943
7382-3172152937
7382-3172152937
md5: bc65a7bbe0eb8a1617b099c56aaa6c97🔍
>Green Prowess
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:00:01 PM No.96146946
>>96146926
Don't understand the problem?
Replies: >>96146961 >>96146981 >>96151244
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:01:17 PM No.96146953
So they brought back Kavu for no reason... But couldn't bring back Nantuko?
Replies: >>96146982
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:02:17 PM No.96146961
>>96146946
Slivers always share their ability with ALL slivers.
Replies: >>96146981 >>96146994
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:02:27 PM No.96146964
crusade
crusade
md5: 8e87926229246f17f6f346a7038cf51f🔍
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71383&f=PREM
136 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71249&f=PREM
107 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71247&f=PREM
60 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70894&f=PREM
130 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70154&f=PREM
98 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=70075&f=PREM
128 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69859&f=PREM
177 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69584&f=PREM
78 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69543&f=PREM
123 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68297&f=PREM
279 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68163&f=PREM
92 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68886&f=PREM
84 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68956&f=PREM
66 players

Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...
Replies: >>96147138
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:02:38 PM No.96146970
1736349450691043
1736349450691043
md5: 3f4c217c1b0a51ceab42a1ddbb2ffd78🔍
Any recommendations for improving this deck?
https://moxfield.com/decks/LU6ntKwsvEWOjE-WnNlRYw
Replies: >>96147126 >>96147151
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:04:04 PM No.96146981
m14-128-battle-sliver
m14-128-battle-sliver
md5: 6f177c856c2605e0595c7ce3f00a0aab🔍
>>96146946
>>96146961
ignore the boomer whining, only the old ones are like that
Replies: >>96147014 >>96147149
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:04:14 PM No.96146982
>>96146953
Nantuko aren't their own unique creature type and they literally did insect people in the same set
Replies: >>96150350
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:05:54 PM No.96146993
>>96146911
????
Anon, Wheel was printed with its incorrect text.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:06:06 PM No.96146994
>>96146961
That was retarded and I'm good it's done for. It made mirrors annoying and obtuse and played like fucking shit.
Replies: >>96147005
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:07:35 PM No.96147005
>>96146994
But have you considered: old thing good, new thing bad?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:07:50 PM No.96147006
dgm-34-possibility-storm
dgm-34-possibility-storm
md5: 2be95e832f0281bd2aec7eab59c25ef1🔍
I'm newer to the game so I'm not quite understanding how this happened.

Opponent had Possibility Storm out. I played a creature card. It got exiled in response to Possibility Storm, and it exiled the top cards of my library until another creature card was found. It was greyed out and said "you can't play these spells". Then I had nothing left to do. I thought it was supposed to allow me to cast the next exiled creature card without paying its mana cost. What the fuck happened?
Replies: >>96147060 >>96151398
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:08:19 PM No.96147014
>>96146981
>"Hey remember when we fucked it up and everyone hated it?"

>"Wanna do it again?"
Replies: >>96147042
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:09:28 PM No.96147027
eoe-210-terrasymbiosis
eoe-210-terrasymbiosis
md5: 4dca3f4830bfece09d35ec9637674bc5🔍
>TQ
Insane card for Pioneer Scales, it's worth completely rebuilding the archtype from the ground up to support this card.
Replies: >>96147037
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:10:23 PM No.96147037
>>96147027
No, it's not.
Replies: >>96147075
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:10:39 PM No.96147042
>>96147014
>Hey remember when we fucked it up and everyone hated it?
Yeah I remember when slivers had stupid design
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:12:36 PM No.96147060
iko-11-drannith-magistrate
iko-11-drannith-magistrate
md5: 2674679975c05ccd66a879dc1fb31c46🔍
>>96147006
Probably some combo with a card like this. Basically you're unable to cast any spells.
Replies: >>96151398
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:13:57 PM No.96147075
>>96147037
It literally draws 2+ cards every turn, and you can draw even more with a X creature for 3 or 4, the amount of card advantage it can generate is insane, it's just a matter of being able to protect it from removal.
Replies: >>96147087
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:15:22 PM No.96147087
>>96147075
It won't win against demons. It just gets eaten by Invoke and all the shit you want to put counters on dies.

You're better off just not having a 4 copies of a brick and playing more aggressive threats.
Replies: >>96147119
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:20:50 PM No.96147119
>>96147087
Suit yourself anon, I'm gonna be playing the shit out of it, probably the first card I'll craft on Arena and buy on MTGO once it gets cheaper.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:21:24 PM No.96147126
>>96146970
Hh yes. More Izzet slop
Replies: >>96147139
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:21:52 PM No.96147134
Why does it seem like most people in MTGA are fat virgin losers?
Replies: >>96149573
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:22:25 PM No.96147138
Tog
Tog
md5: d442b8a33fd3eddaf0f0e0785ccefdda🔍
>>96146964
KNOCK KNOCK
Replies: >>96147186
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:22:31 PM No.96147139
>>96147126
that means nothing to me man
I started playing like a month ago
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:23:25 PM No.96147149
>>96146981
truly nu-design principles are inferior to the old ones
Replies: >>96147187
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:23:50 PM No.96147151
>>96146970
you might have some luck asking here
>>96137913
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:26:17 PM No.96147186
quiet oath
quiet oath
md5: 54dbd99f4ecc5bc388fd14218bc519d2🔍
>>96147138
Based Tog poster, please enlighten me with your wisdom.
How do you beat a deck like this?
Replies: >>96147191 >>96147237 >>96147620
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:26:47 PM No.96147187
diffusion sliver
diffusion sliver
md5: 661aa03ff1acc741c44be0653ed600b1🔍
>>96147149
faaag
Replies: >>96149430 >>96150350
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:27:07 PM No.96147191
>>96147186
grab the deck and start running from the fatass to make thousands in profit
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:30:35 PM No.96147217
57f8e2e9805d5e3e30ea9a9be0ddbaac69538abec65d0dc4fbfc9fd1c3898368
How can a multinational company be such a bunch of incompetent clowns?
Shouldnt they fire every single one of these retarded designers and hire some people with some brains?
Replies: >>96147270 >>96147342
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:30:50 PM No.96147219
>>96146916
Honestly, I'll be a bit disappointed if this is the only new Sliver card in the set
Replies: >>96147394 >>96147450
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:33:32 PM No.96147237
>>96147186
counter the spells you don't like
exile his graveyard
destroy the creatures
get a big hand
swing for 20 flying
if he makes the mistake of thinking meddling mage will save him, just make a bunch of zombies and win
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:36:58 PM No.96147262
busted
busted
md5: 02f81fcb761d8edf563ed1da9c3d70d1🔍
>>96146893 (OP)
This will ruin many formats in the upcoming months.
Replies: >>96147275 >>96147276 >>96147288 >>96147291 >>96148682 >>96148872 >>96150350 >>96150415
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:37:37 PM No.96147270
>>96147217
No anon, that'd mean they got it wrong, but it's the consumers that are wrong. Or maybe the market's down?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:38:14 PM No.96147275
>>96147262
this card is unplayable, retardbro
Replies: >>96147291 >>96147297
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:38:36 PM No.96147276
>>96147262
I've been testing it and it's a total fucking nightmare cancer farm. Shit's retarded, yo.
Replies: >>96147284
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:39:48 PM No.96147284
>>96147276
what deck have you been trying it in?
Replies: >>96147299
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:40:02 PM No.96147288
RIP
RIP
md5: 530e2d42701570fea95199cc3c67e157🔍
>>96147262
OOPS
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:40:31 PM No.96147291
>>96147262
>>96147275
Isn't it literally better Bloodghast?
Replies: >>96147300 >>96147309 >>96147338 >>96147359 >>96147621 >>96147856
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:40:48 PM No.96147297
>>96147275
See you in the next month when you come here crying about it.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:41:18 PM No.96147299
>>96147284
Just generic crap. Bx midrange slop. Not really the kind of card I care to brew interesting shit for.

My general assessment is
>"Oh, great, another fucking slop vomit garbagepile that puts even more pressure on all removal in all formats to be exile based."
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:41:39 PM No.96147300
>>96147291
They go in the same deck
>better Bloodghast
It stays for a turn and then you have to cast it from exile to get it back. Whereas bloodghast just comes out of your graveyard when you put a land down
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:42:19 PM No.96147309
>>96147291
>having to pay mana for a body
nah, sidegrade at best
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:45:46 PM No.96147338
>>96147291
you are fucking retarded
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:46:15 PM No.96147342
>>96147217
When your only motive is pleasing investors, you're incentivized to put in minimal effort. When your consumer base is a bunch of captive whales who don't care about even basic standards of quality, then the bar for minimal effort is incredibly low.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:48:01 PM No.96147359
>>96147291
I literally forgot Bloodghast was Standard legal right now.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:51:36 PM No.96147394
>>96147219
Anon, the entire set's been spoiled. It is.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:58:35 PM No.96147450
stx-68-crushing-disappointment
stx-68-crushing-disappointment
md5: 5823398138c625afc4b8acc5d4e35294🔍
>>96147219
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:05:40 PM No.96147514
just got started with mtg arena, any 4chan approved beginner guide?
also, are there any decks I can craft to get me to higher ranks? or should I wait for the next rotation since there's a new set coming?
Replies: >>96147556 >>96147558
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:10:07 PM No.96147556
>>96147514
there's a thread for arena
Replies: >>96147568
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:10:13 PM No.96147558
>>96147514
>just got started with mtg arena, any 4chan approved beginner guide?
Don't spend any money or you're a sucker. Of all companies, WotC is the one that deserves your support the least.

>also, are there any decks I can craft to get me to higher ranks? or should I wait for the next rotation since there's a new set coming?
Play red aggro until you get an understanding of things. It's the simplest deck, and yields the fastest games so you can grind shit in a timely manner.
But also yes wait until rotation to commit to anything, it's fairly soon. Just play simple bog standard budget crap, get your stockpiles and after rotation look for a deck that interests you.
Replies: >>96147568
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:11:47 PM No.96147568
>>96147556
sorry I missed it, I was looking on vg
>>96147558
thanks. yeah, I don't spend money on gacha out of principle, no matter the company.
Replies: >>96147591
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:13:44 PM No.96147591
m'gentleman
m'gentleman
md5: e9d18082d726e6e067597c298bfb2204🔍
>>96147568
> I was looking on vg
MTG sucks so much ass that the arenafags couldn't keep a thread going on vg so they migrated here and somehow it is allowed even though this is a board for tabletop games, not gacha games. Whatever, I guess. Easier to link the containment thread now.

>thanks. yeah, I don't spend money on gacha out of principle, no matter the company.
The game's a total fucking insufferable cesspit designed by blundering retards, but hope you still enjoy it.
Replies: >>96147615
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:17:30 PM No.96147615
>>96147591
>somehow it is allowed even though this is a board for tabletop games
the OG arena general way back in 2017 started on /tg/, people just used it to talk about standard since it was all you could play on it
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:18:24 PM No.96147620
Tog Tapped and attacking
Tog Tapped and attacking
md5: 9d9433cc1d0698eaef7986537dc19c1d🔍
>>96147186
Just discard your hand.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:18:26 PM No.96147621
>>96147291
Bloodghast reanimates for free. Timeline Culler wants 3 mana and 2 life across 2 turns.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:18:36 PM No.96147623
i play forest, tap it for llanowar elves and end my turn.
Replies: >>96147631 >>96147641 >>96147690
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:19:35 PM No.96147630
I play swamp, tap it, cast fatal push targeting your elf. End turn.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:19:46 PM No.96147631
>>96147623
I pay 2 life and gut shot it green nigger.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:21:25 PM No.96147641
>>96147623
I enter my second turn and play Swamp. I tap out my Forest and Swamp to Assassin's Trophy your Llanowar Elf. I end my turn.
Replies: >>96147755
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:25:47 PM No.96147671
>>96146916
What are slivers "slivers" of?
Also, my dyslexia did me a funny for years and I thought they were called Silvers.
Replies: >>96152317
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:27:47 PM No.96147690
>>96147623
I eat your forest and your llanowar elves, your turn.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:29:23 PM No.96147708
>not posting the green murder errata as the OP.
One fucking job
Replies: >>96147778
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:34:23 PM No.96147755
>>96147641
I untaped, play a land and then play 3 other llanowar elves from my hand, then pass my turn
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:36:44 PM No.96147778
1732535573868844
1732535573868844
md5: c0d4c0b43edae7000bc603ea7b0a7d37🔍
>>96146893 (OP)
>>96147708
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/a-statement-on-the-rules-text-of-diplomatic-relations
>you control
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:42:31 PM No.96147832
>>96147778
AI generated card moment
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:46:00 PM No.96147856
GMIle5NXAAAv3Je
GMIle5NXAAAv3Je
md5: 0780e648138b7e491ea9386b30c67bb6🔍
>>96147291
1 mana is infinetlye more expensive than 0 mana
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 8:48:28 PM No.96147880
1752968065988
1752968065988
md5: 82c49416d03bb2fcad70a768481feb9c🔍
>>96147778
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:05:40 PM No.96148075
1750864939793239
1750864939793239
md5: 7ccde243306176109976a2980197e1c4🔍
Now that is over...
What went so wrong?
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Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:12:00 PM No.96148139
>>96147778
They could've added "another" to the second target instead and it would've been interesting.
Now it's just yet another unplayable bite spell
Replies: >>96156838
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:13:01 PM No.96148147
>>96148075
>Now that is over...
>What went so wrong?
Pretty much everything.
I can't think of a thing about a Magic set that could go wrong, that didn't.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:13:58 PM No.96148153
>>96148075
Every set being designed with commander in mind.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:14:56 PM No.96148164
>>96148075
>What went so wrong?
They should've made the station numbers higher, in a month from now everyone will be crying about how broken the mechanic is.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:19:20 PM No.96148207
I really like the art of this new setting in space, but I know nothing about magic and I like the color blue.
Can I just build a blue deck and do fine?
Replies: >>96148346
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:22:55 PM No.96148251
>>96148075
They have to stop designing sets with Cummander in mind. Shitty mechanics, pointless legendaries, horrible recurrent elements like tokens, 0 original ideas.

This was the last Magic set of this year, i know it will break something in constructed but i expected a lot more of it.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:23:29 PM No.96148257
>>96148075
Take Battles
Apply the following changes:
>ETB effects cost 1-3 extra mana for the same effect
>Creatures can attack the battle with haste and unblockable and attack despite defender
>Defense raised from 3-5 to 7-12
>Flipped side of battles severely nerfed, no longer have powerful cast/etb/activated abilities

A 2 mana battle could get you a loot + treasure. On rate for 2 mana. With 5 defense it flips into a 3/4 that tutor-loots for a land or battle. Meanwhile a spacecraft costs 4 mana to loot. It takes 8 station to become a french vanilla 4/4 flying, no ability for unlocking it.

You cast a big splashy battle you can wipe the board or cascade into fetch quest or destroy any target. You flip it and you get a huge ETB trigger, or a monarch draw, or token spraying machine. 2 mana to tax a card out of their hand, 3 defense to flip, and you start getting a +1/+1 counter on your attackers each turn and a zero mana shield vs interaction or sweepers

How many stations are just
>cast spell or play land
>get artifact with no rules text or tapped land with no abilities
>need absurdly huge station cost
>becomes sucky vanilla creature
>becomes rampland that doesnt matter on turn 7

Fucking disgraceful
Battles weren't great but they showed WotC going through a long R&D to make them as best as possible. Now Hasbro has them churn out slop at breakneck pace so they phoned this shit in and gave us vanilla creatures and 20 station on a 5 mana card knowing it can't be played in any format. Safest thing for them to do, tank their own set rather than blow up standard again
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:25:22 PM No.96148275
eoe-111-monoist-sentry
eoe-111-monoist-sentry
md5: 4160f3ce8da78bbb31c8fc1af4687d89🔍
>they doubt the stations
Replies: >>96148370 >>96148726
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:31:34 PM No.96148343
I can't bring myself to play Golgari, Orzhov or Rakdos. Deadfully boring and unfun playstyles.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:31:57 PM No.96148346
>>96148207
>Can I just build a blue deck and do fine?
No. The game is extremely power crept. You basically have to play the cards designed to be the best cards or you're going to eat dirt.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:34:24 PM No.96148370
eoe-235-bygone-colossus
eoe-235-bygone-colossus
md5: cf16455466b7a71a222a673b3c479382🔍
>>96148275
If anything will be station enabler in standard, it's this guy.
Replies: >>96148382 >>96148434
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:35:35 PM No.96148382
>>96148370
>3 mana do nothing
Replies: >>96148473
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:39:32 PM No.96148412
$value-84376886
$value-84376886
md5: 30d74fc26dce04661b7259d2b12a0641🔍
>BEHOLD
>FOR THREE MANA, I ACTIVATE MY ULTIMATE CARD!!!
>BYGONE COLOSSUS, THE MIGHTY 9/9 VANILLA THAT ALLOWS ME TO STATION AT LEAST FORTY PERCENT OF THE STATIONS!

>NOW WEEP, AS MY PLAN COMES TOGETHER
>COWER IN FEAR OF MY ULTIMATE POWER
>I TAP MY BYGONE COLOSSUS, TO CREW MY STATION. AND NOW I GO TO COMBAT, SIGNALLING THAT YOUR DOOM IS NIGH.
>WITH ALL THIS POWER AT MY DISPOSAL, WITH MY NEWLY STATIONED SPACECRAFT, I....

>Swing for 3 with flying?
Replies: >>96148421 >>96150350
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:40:23 PM No.96148421
1748324504153233
1748324504153233
md5: 4999f56512db6e42eda044d5c0c15b4f🔍
>>96148412
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:41:05 PM No.96148425
fun fact: i used to goon over phage and akroma back in the day
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:42:07 PM No.96148434
eoe-196-loading-zone
eoe-196-loading-zone
md5: e29255d0656ca3e5471eeed78842d85e🔍
>>96148370
You mean this guy
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:46:44 PM No.96148473
eoe-238-dawnsire-sunstar-dreadnought
eoe-238-dawnsire-sunstar-dreadnought
md5: 202e8495b05ca991d99ec554d113c8ab🔍
>>96148382
3 mana station for 9
Replies: >>96148484 >>96148575 >>96148618 >>96150116
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:46:55 PM No.96148476
Spoiler: I casted slickshot ploted on my turn 3 and killed you
Great Station synergies nerd.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:47:48 PM No.96148484
>>96148473
ZOMG IS
IS THAT...
LE BIG NUMBER!?!??!!
Replies: >>96148509
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:49:42 PM No.96148509
>>96148484
You're God damn right it is.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:55:28 PM No.96148574
7Y6af6kK_1811151527541-750x400
7Y6af6kK_1811151527541-750x400
md5: 959cc45cde5e9a178ae500effdf30907🔍
https://strawpoll.com/GPgVYe2dBna
Replies: >>96148607 >>96148972
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:55:32 PM No.96148575
1735242016510796
1735242016510796
md5: 9c6afc3983d5e018bf9c9d8f0b2aab01🔍
>>96148473
8 mana 2 card combo to... kill a creature
I kneel
Replies: >>96148595
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:57:25 PM No.96148595
>>96148575
To kill a creature every turn.
Replies: >>96150350
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:57:44 PM No.96148598
>>96148075
It's a 3 mana tutor any more powerful and it would be annoying.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:58:34 PM No.96148607
>>96148574
Me? For me it's Dimir, Golgari and Ozhov. Yeah I think Black is the strongest color.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:59:46 PM No.96148618
>>96148473
>whenever you attack
What the fuck does this mean?
Replies: >>96148627 >>96148632 >>96148646
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:00:36 PM No.96148627
>>96148618
Having your creatures removed was considered "unfun" so WotC deleted creatures and now players attack instead.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:00:54 PM No.96148632
>>96148618
Translates to "Whenever one or more creatures you control is declared as attacking" approximately
Replies: >>96148667
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:01:46 PM No.96148646
>>96148618
It means when you declare attackers.
Replies: >>96148667
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:02:27 PM No.96148648
1740862466016263
1740862466016263
md5: 55c2dc6a9b4c47bfd417fa161be5f925🔍
Players can't attack, Wizards.
Replies: >>96148664
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:04:35 PM No.96148664
1343138978957
1343138978957
md5: 5145d9c84f707f8fc6ac1dfd67cca506🔍
>>96148648
>506.2. During the combat phase, the active player is the attacking player
Replies: >>96148686
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:04:56 PM No.96148667
>>96148632
>>96148646
Then just put that on the card. There is space on the card.
Whenever "you" attack makes me think I suppose to slam my first on the table, or that I am some sort of game entity.
Replies: >>96148681 >>96148685 >>96150495
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:06:14 PM No.96148681
>>96148667
Are you the same guy who sperged out about representation of rooms
Replies: >>96148702
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:06:17 PM No.96148682
>>96147262
You have to make sure it dies every turn so it doesn't slip into exile.
Also, warp is sorcery speed?
Bloodghast can be brought back on enemy turns with any instant speed land ramp.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:06:36 PM No.96148685
>>96148667
But sometimes there's no space on card, that's why we shorthands when applicable.
Replies: >>96148702
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:06:39 PM No.96148686
>>96148664
>If we hand wave it in the rules, it makes sense.
It's still wrong.
The rules ought to reflect the ideal state of the game's syntax. The ideal state of the syntax is one where each action and set of actions perfectly reflects the objects taking that action.

Players are not game objects that attack. Creatures attack, not players. To alter the rules in order to facilitate bad, broken wording is design failure.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:07:05 PM No.96148690
eoe-186-gene-pollinator
eoe-186-gene-pollinator
md5: cbbed9265104d58f78dc3f0c8b48364e🔍
>>96146893 (OP)
>TQ
Ironically, it's probably this guy. I was brewing with Icetill Explorer for a while, and while it is really cool what it can do with fetchlands, it's probably gonna stay anchored to the Tifa landfall deck. Not only does this other guy help pad out artifacts in a delirium deck, but its ability to tap anything else means you can either tap a 3-mana planeswalker (i.e., Grist in modern) or something like a Dredger's Insight or impending Overlord of the Balemurk to fix your mana in whichever way you please. Don't know if it's better than Molt Tender, but I'm definitely gonna try to do some interesting stuff with it.

>>96148075
Vehicles in general have always been difficult to make work in standard. They either have to be cheap and pushed as Hell, have some sort of insane ability that basically wins you the game or you need something like Greasefang to effectively free-cast vehicles and let them attack immediately. We have half of one of those in standard, but not much else. Maybe someone will make Salvation Engine work now that we have more artifact creature support, but I doubt it.

Anyway, rant aside, people were already struggling to find uses for vehicles outside draft and commander, and now they throw at us vehicles that are even harder to crew that are mostly just mediocre creatures. If they had better passive abilities, they'd probably have some use, but based on the way they implemented them, it's high risk with little reward.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:08:19 PM No.96148702
>>96148681
Nope. I just think WotC shouldn't shorten effect text to be misleading/confusing.
>>96148685
I think if they run out of text space on the card that should be a red flag to chill out on the effect. Not everything needs to be saga/vehicle/have 4 effects and a flipside.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:11:38 PM No.96148726
88
88
md5: f331c86acbe7ec7e432f7b21221cff61🔍
>>96148275
Hey, that's the monster from that MAD manga!
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:15:34 PM No.96148755
Vehicles are just a design mistake and reflect a deep misunderstanding of how people play the game.
The very hoop of casting and having a creature in play (not to speak of having a power high enough) to turn the stupid vehicle on means that the vehicle has to have an insanely powerful effect to be worth the cost. For it to be playable outside a kitchen table or a low powered draft it has to be removal, big numbers, draw a card and make a food and make a food and draw another card and so on.
You know what's even better than casting a vehicle like that and another creature to crew it? Casting 2 FIRE creatures that already do all those things.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:20:22 PM No.96148781
Stop. Trying. Vehicles.
Is shit, will never work, no one likes it and is boring.
Make Affinity work, Make Ammunition shenanigans, Make Sac work but stop with this ridiculous shit. DFT was trash, EOE is trash, fucking stop stupid designers.
Replies: >>96148786 >>96148791 >>96148795 >>96148805 >>96148810 >>96148825
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:21:27 PM No.96148786
>>96148781
>Stop. Trying. Vehicles.
>Is shit, will never work, no one likes it and is boring.
I'll I'm hearing is MORE VEHICLES!!!!!!
Clearly we just haven't done enough of them to figure it out. We need to do more until they work.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:22:19 PM No.96148791
>>96148781
But have your considered....saga vehicles? Perhaps we just need to do more retarded experiments for vehicles to finally have the spotlight.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:23:00 PM No.96148795
>>96148781
Cummander crew loves them though :D
Replies: >>96148887
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:24:32 PM No.96148805
>>96148781
We heard your complaints, but because sets are designed so much in advance, you'll still get 3 years (15 sets) of vehicles
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:24:56 PM No.96148810
>>96148781
I'm not even mad about vehicles, I'm mad about unnecessarily splitting the design sace between vehicles, mounts and spaceships
Replies: >>96148826 >>96148873
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:26:45 PM No.96148825
>>96148781
What really makes me mad about EoE is that we had the chance and the hopes for Slivers and Eldrazi support and instead of that we got a bunch of "Station" cards that no one will use. Truly madness.
Replies: >>96148900
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:26:49 PM No.96148826
>>96148810
>Artifact - Submarine
>Submarinate N
>(Tap any number of untapped creatures you control with total power N: This submarine surfaces until end of turn.)
Replies: >>96148831
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:27:57 PM No.96148831
>>96148826
Let's spice it it a bit tho...
How about toughness instead of power?
Replies: >>96148835 >>96148885
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:28:41 PM No.96148835
>>96148831
GENIUS.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:33:02 PM No.96148872
pgf elvis
pgf elvis
md5: 3537072b6ea1a530c068e762c4a9d924🔍
>>96147262
that could be sweet with a sac or discard outlet and anything that cares about cards entering or bring cast from the graveyard. i think dredgevine really likes it for sure.
how does it ruin anything though? surely there's enough interaction across formats and especially graveyard hate to slide this into 'niche but powerful' territory, rather than breaking anything.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:33:07 PM No.96148873
>>96148810
90% of card designers quit before making an off-shoot of vehicles work.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:35:13 PM No.96148885
>>96148831
Don't forget to use another name for the subtype and ability so every thing that worked with vehicles (then saddle, then spacecraft) won't anymore
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:35:15 PM No.96148887
>>96148795
Maybe don't say retarded shit you don't know. I want to make a vehicles commander deck and haven't been able to find one that won't be unmitigated garbage or just a pile of 'sorta goodstuff'.

Pilots matter is a lost cause, Greasefang is just artifact reanimator with an angle, extending to mounts is just a goofy value pile; not to mention more and more vehicles are just Crew 1.

Unless there's a breed of super-timmy out there that I haven't seen, a lot of vehicle design space is just so bad it might as well not exist. Only the most cracked vehicles and vehicle derivatives ever see play and only in niche spaces.

I suspect outside of limited, Stations will be similar.
Replies: >>96148905
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:36:52 PM No.96148900
>>96148825
Slivers I'm fine with them not doing since by design they end up taking over like half a set due to needing a bunch of them to function plus they've mostly exhausted all the "your Slivers have insert keyword/ simple mechanic" design space at this point so there wouldn't be too much interesting to do with them
Replies: >>96148961
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:37:28 PM No.96148905
>>96148887
all vehicles should've been crew 1 from the start. The mechanic should've just been "tap an untapped creature you control to crew a vehicle"
also they probably hsould've all had vigilance for it to matter
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:37:40 PM No.96148906
enUS
enUS
md5: 583d3cea452aaa72376f225e09ca5516🔍
>"I can't believe it's not a harry potter" set
>"I can't believe it's not a western" set
>"I can't believe it's not a space opera" set

Hearthstone and MTG are literally being fed the same analytics.

Who is really controlling the card game industry? This is too much to be a mere coincidence.
Replies: >>96148925 >>96148942 >>96148967 >>96149227
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:37:46 PM No.96148907
We already had vehicles before vehicles and it was perfect.
It was called Champion.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:40:30 PM No.96148925
>>96148906
I imagine it's just creative bankruptcy. Generic magical school, generic western generic sci-fi, and so on. Requires little effort and some basedgolems on reddit will clap.
Probably also why they are leaning on UB so hard because the current creatives are terrible anyway.
Replies: >>96148958
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:42:38 PM No.96148942
>>96148906
At least this space setting is being made more interestingly than the shitty western one.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:44:38 PM No.96148958
>>96148925
Some of them are released suspiciously close to each other. OTJ and Hearthstone Badlands in particular were like 3 months apart and hearthstones space expansion was relatively recent too
Replies: >>96148970
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:44:52 PM No.96148961
>>96148900
They could at least do reprints then if they aren't going to do new ones
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:45:19 PM No.96148967
>>96148906
This is not some great conspiracy anon, just two faggot companies trying to get revenues from the lower common denominator meanwhile their design team show their incompetence time after time.

Is sad but is true. Both HS and Magic are garbage.
Replies: >>96149032
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:45:50 PM No.96148970
>>96148958
Hearthstone's sets have a much lower development time so I wouldn't be surprised if Badlands and Dark Beyond were started after Magic revealed its respective sets. Magic's sets for both genres WERE revealed first, after all.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:45:54 PM No.96148972
>>96148574
>Golgari
What's wrong with you fags
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:47:03 PM No.96148982
They should do:
>WWI setting inspired by scythe
>Primal setting with stone age clans
>Sci-fi earth setting with each color representing a nation.
Replies: >>96149022 >>96149628
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:51:04 PM No.96149022
>>96148982
>Dogshit
>Muraganda's probably gonna happen
>Dogshit
Replies: >>96149078
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:52:25 PM No.96149032
>>96148967
You don't get that level of synchronicity without a common source.
Replies: >>96149063 >>96149100 >>96149162
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:55:35 PM No.96149063
>>96149032
>You don't get that level of synchronicity without a common source.
The common source is Marvel does a thing and then it appears in shit creatively bankrupt industries ~18 months to two years after the fact due to dev times.
Replies: >>96149093
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:57:13 PM No.96149078
>>96149022
>WWI dogshit
Massive shit taste
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:58:59 PM No.96149092
I'm kinda conflicted. on one hand I despise universes beyond for obvious reasons but then again I'm kinda proud that paypiggies bought so much ff because the set has no tokenism like every in universe set has. they can try and use their vile jewish sorcery to spin the data however thwy please but deep down they know what sells and it will keep cannibalizing their other products just like how set boosters did draft
the thing that sells?
white
anime
tits
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:59:05 PM No.96149093
>>96149063
Ah, yes, Marvel's famous cowboy movie...?
Replies: >>96149123 >>96150081
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:00:08 PM No.96149100
>>96149032
This has happened before in other media. Antz and Bug's Life in animated movies, released within a month of each other. There wasn't some King Illuminati Jew Insect-Lord that made the decision for Dreamworks and Pixar, retard. They were just chasing trends.
You wanna know what Blizzard and WotC both do? Chase trends.
Replies: >>96149137 >>96149149 >>96149174
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:00:59 PM No.96149114
>>96146893 (OP)
I'm going to kill people with Monolith and Dawnsire
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:02:27 PM No.96149123
>>96149093
Yeah, that one.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:03:40 PM No.96149137
>>96149100
Sci-fi has been in an utter slump for decades at this point, what fucking trend?
Replies: >>96149234 >>96149310
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:04:42 PM No.96149149
>>96149100
>Chase trends.
Who researches the trends and decides which ones are worth following?
Replies: >>96149154 >>96149234
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:05:10 PM No.96149154
>>96149149
Market research, suits, executives, investors, shareholders, who knows.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:05:46 PM No.96149162
>>96149032
the common source is the type of people who work at wotc and blizzard: leftists millennials who want to regurgitate the media they grew up on in some other shape or form
Replies: >>96149234
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:07:44 PM No.96149174
carlos
carlos
md5: aa58e25de46aebc075e5f0be8d3d9b0e🔍
>>96149100
>They were just chasing trends
yea, i guess bugchasing was pretty big in the 90s.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:11:16 PM No.96149204
i played a lot of drafts today, and i can say that is 100 % rigged to action, there is some plays that just make you wonder what the fuck, there is an action algorithim, this is not real, anybody thinks the same?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:13:38 PM No.96149227
>>96148906
The same people that control all the industries and the world, ever noticed through the years in all media there's the zombie era, the pirate era, the cowboy era, the police era etc, it's all piloted and projects that would take many years to come out all come out within 3 years of each other.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:14:24 PM No.96149234
>>96149137
>>96149149
It's pointless to spoon-feed you any information because you are just gonna weave it into your retarded 20-IQ conspiracy theory world view, but sure, I'll bite.
Both companies have some level of market research or planning so they can ideally make more money. The research or boardroom of Company A says Western Slop is going to be big in 2024 because of (insert random facts here) so they have to prepare a product for it, and Company B also comes to the same conclusion because both companies are doing the same fucking job and will come to same fucking conclusion sometimes.
Also you have instances like:
>>96149162
explained, where media ends up being a bit cyclical. I.e.: Kids that grew up with Harry Potter becomes adults in some creative job and they wanna make a Magical School setting. Or you have instances where you have a boy that grew up with corny sci-fi adventure serials and decides to make Star Wars.
Now please respond with your more logical argument about how the people in your walls actually control these businesses are force them into specific settings at specific times for ???? reasons.
Replies: >>96149415
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:23:12 PM No.96149310
>>96149137
Dune, possibly
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:31:45 PM No.96149384
_91408619_55df76d5-2245-41c1-8031-07a4da3f313f
_91408619_55df76d5-2245-41c1-8031-07a4da3f313f
md5: a7719c4c8bff79c7f8c8fa0a4beb9621🔍
I have Complexity Creep fatigue.
Replies: >>96149420 >>96149425 >>96149441 >>96149550 >>96149560 >>96152962
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:36:39 PM No.96149415
>>96149234
More likely Company A and Company B hired the same market analysts
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:37:18 PM No.96149420
eoe-66-mechanozoa
eoe-66-mechanozoa
md5: bed79427c32fd5d185412aaaa2297d61🔍
>>96149384
MORE!!!
WORDS!!!!
Replies: >>96149467 >>96149566
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:37:39 PM No.96149425
>>96149384
Simple yet elegant is a lost concept to modern designers
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:39:27 PM No.96149430
>>96147187
looks like yet another warhammer trace
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:41:05 PM No.96149441
>>96149384
I just reject all flip cards on principle now. I don't wanna read likely 4 different clunky effects between 2 sides + keywords.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:46:11 PM No.96149467
>>96149420
There's a bunch of words here but it's pretty straightforward to understand. It's nothing compared to rooms or mutate.
Replies: >>96149510
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:53:56 PM No.96149510
>>96149467
>but it's pretty straightforward to understand.
Wrong.
Replies: >>96149531 >>96149546
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:58:24 PM No.96149531
>>96149510
"When creature enters, tap another creature or artifact. It doesn't untap next turn" is an incredibly simple concept, you're just retarded
Replies: >>96149540
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:59:25 PM No.96149540
>>96149531
It doesn't do that, though.
You could read the card before commenting on it, anon.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 11:59:57 PM No.96149546
>>96149510
Anon, I...
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:00:45 AM No.96149550
cease-pepo-cease
cease-pepo-cease
md5: 17a0820f3f81be887fcaaa560c3c21d1🔍
>>96149384
>If you
>then you may
>when enters or attack or block
>if attacks alone
>at begining of your end step
>at begining of your upkeep
>at begining of combat
>at begining of your second main phase
>cast from hand
>cast from exile
>cast from graveyard
>cast from oponent graveyard
>look top 5 put 2 of them on your hand rest on the bottom
>look top 5 put 2 of them on your hand rest on your graveyard
>look top 5 put 2 of them on your hand and the rest on exile
>look top 5 put 2 of them on your hand the rest on the top
>look top 5 put 1 of them on your hand the other second from the top, put the rest on the bottom
>look top 5 put 1 of them on your hand, exile 1, you may cast at end of your next turn, put the rest on bottom
>look top 5, draw 2, discard 2, put rest on the bottom. Madness 3UU, Flashback equal to Mana value.
>trigger only once per turn
>trigger only on your turn
>if triggered more than 2 times, transform
>when this artifact enter create a token that is 4/3 WG Elephant Rogue Wizard with the lifelink and trample. Exile at end of your end step. Cascade.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:00:54 AM No.96149552
>"Bro nine lines of text on a common is FINE!!!!"
This is your brain on demoralization.
Replies: >>96149577 >>96149589 >>96149591
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:02:04 AM No.96149560
>>96149384
I have stopped reading new cards a long time ago.
Replies: >>96149595
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:03:36 AM No.96149566
saruman-of-many-colors
saruman-of-many-colors
md5: 23e18332f3205f12cc0c77251dd1de37🔍
>>96149420
Most of that is mechanic explainer text and the card itself is pretty straightforward to understand. There are far worse examples of non sensical text brick walls to choose from
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:05:34 AM No.96149573
>>96147134
Probably because they play Magic: The Gathering
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:06:11 AM No.96149577
>>96149552
>I'm too demoralized to read the card
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:07:59 AM No.96149589
fem-23a-merseine
fem-23a-merseine
md5: 122a3c94b27d2e5cd88860f5de215dc2🔍
>>96149552
yeah
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:08:22 AM No.96149591
arn-10-shahrazad
arn-10-shahrazad
md5: 238f090ca3f4fc3fa05bbd70a9e6367d🔍
>>96149552
Are you an ESL? Just because there are more words doesn't make the concepts more complicated. Shahrazad has 10 lines and it's extremely simple to understand what it does.
Replies: >>96149866
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:08:38 AM No.96149595
>>96149560
so did wotc apparently >>96147778
like, how does this happen? HOW? did AI just gen the set without anyone checking or what the fuck. didn't they say they have testers for standard? it's like missing oko could target opponent's permanents all over again but WORSE somehow
Replies: >>96149609 >>96150608 >>96154939
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:08:39 AM No.96149596
>BUEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MOM SAYS IM A BIG BOY NOW WHY SO MANY WORDS MAKES MY HEAD HURT??? I DON'T UNDERSTAND
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:12:44 AM No.96149609
>>96149595
Oh I don't think anyone reads the cards after they get finalized, WotC have zero standards because they know their intended customers also have zero standards, it's kinda like scammers leaving obvious mistakes in their scams to filter out anyone too smart to fall for them.
Replies: >>96149648
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:16:10 AM No.96149628
>>96148982
>WWI setting
I've wanted a dieselpunk/industrial revolution set my entire life. Sad that it just got completely skipped over.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:20:49 AM No.96149648
>>96149609
that.. makes awfully lot of sense
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:27:57 AM No.96149686
Choose one:
>WW1 angel/demon trench warfare set in The Abyss
>zombie apocalypse set in Azgol
>Mad Max post-apocalypse set in Gastal
>wuxia set in Shenmeng
>surrealistic art set in Xerex
Replies: >>96149869
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:00:16 AM No.96149866
The Bane of Nosewater
The Bane of Nosewater
md5: d087e6edb407a677f626adec35ef5af9🔍
>>96149591
Ah yes. Garfield's favorite card. We need this reprinted into standard.
Replies: >>96149890
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:00:30 AM No.96149869
>>96149686
None of the above
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:03:47 AM No.96149890
>>96149866
How did he fumble Artifact so hard bros...
Did he lose the touch?
Replies: >>96149927 >>96149985 >>96150010
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:09:31 AM No.96149927
>>96149890
Garfield had less and less to do with MTG as time went until before leaving JotC in 2000. He hasn't had anything to do with MTG for 25 years.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:19:19 AM No.96149985
>>96149890
He never had it to begin with. Magic was complete luck in a field with no competition.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:23:19 AM No.96150010
>>96149890
the game itself was good, the issue was the monetization
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:34:20 AM No.96150081
otc-desert-bloom__38883
otc-desert-bloom__38883
md5: fe2dfb89ec3a40cd80c70e8948d7fb67🔍
>>96149093
Not Marvel, but Disney had Mandalorian setting new trends.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:38:27 AM No.96150116
>>96148473
Dawnsire, monolith, select opponent's creature then force them to draw 100 and lose 100 life
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:09:14 AM No.96150350
mrd-143-altar-of-shadows
mrd-143-altar-of-shadows
md5: f513b05173d7cd11207a3ef098a2cca8🔍
>>96146982
They aren't as much as leonin and now Viashinos aren't their own creature types. Nantukos are the humanoid Mantis like sentient creatures from the otaria continent (Odyssey). And people do like them but wotc only listen to the fake fans from reddit, so there is no hope for nantuko fans.
(I love Thriss)
>>96147187
One good card of the new design doesn't make it good overall.
>>96147262
This is like the 1 mana zombie that you can play from grave if you control other zombie. (But is a Dix witch is now cooler)
>>96148075
Commander.
>>96148412
How can mtg now be so bad that even Yugioh looks more apealing ?
>>96148595
That card combo is so bad that it makes Altar of Shadows look like one of the most broken cards ever.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:11:26 AM No.96150364
Is there really only one Planeswalker in the whole EoE set? That's weird, right? I thought WotC was all about pushing their marketable poster mascots. Are they finally realizing their mistake?
Replies: >>96150376 >>96150887 >>96150940 >>96152545
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:12:53 AM No.96150376
>>96150364
we've been getting a single PW per set for the last severla years
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:18:39 AM No.96150415
>>96147262
I need this shit for my sephiroth deck.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:19:21 AM No.96150420
no cost on purpose
no cost on purpose
md5: cbbf1b636a31f4138ac1882793fde047🔍
Replies: >>96150835
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:30:33 AM No.96150495
>>96148667
Then you are dumb, sorry.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:31:35 AM No.96150500
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r0wJXb-Lozg
modern card text be like
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:35:02 AM No.96150528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAxer_1uEpA
modern card text be like
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:49:38 AM No.96150608
>>96149595
It's VERY easy to not notice that it doesn't say 'you control'. It's a card aimed pretty much entirely at limited, it's a fairly bog-standard effect, somebody just forgot that crucial part and nobody really paid enough attention because it's just "Green Bite Spell", one random card amidst hundreds.
Replies: >>96152218
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:13:21 AM No.96150757
So I just got into mtg. After doing a bit of research, there's the physical cards, Arena, and Online. What's the general consensus on getting into magic? Should I play physically with friends and people at my LGS, and just F2P my way through Arena? The idea of buying digital cards doesn't sit well with me.
Replies: >>96150772 >>96150806
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:16:49 AM No.96150772
>>96150757
Arena's probably the best way to learn to play, but if you wanna actually get into starting a collection... You kinda just buy singles you want.
Replies: >>96150837
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:21:15 AM No.96150806
>>96150757
F2P on Arena will get you enough to try out a bunch of starter decks, probably the best way to try out the game for free. Online needs you to buy in, though I think there's options that are relatively cheap (been ages since I've tried it). For paper, you either buy a bunch of chaff from your LGS at like $20 for a giant box of assorted shit cards and just mess around with those with friends, or you buy the actual starter decks and mess around with friends. If you're trying to play at your LGS with an actual deck, you should buy singles. Never open packs unless you're playing draft or sealed.
Replies: >>96150837
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:23:00 AM No.96150816
>Commanderbabies keep whining about how Izzet and "combo decks" are unfun
>Decide to throw together a hand control deck from my bulk pile to show them how you answer combo
>Before the game even starts properly two people had to mull under 5 just to get lands
>I'm the only person that plays a one-drop
>By turn 4 nobody has any cards left in their hand and they're whining about "discard" being unfun
Replies: >>96150840 >>96150853
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:25:27 AM No.96150835
>>96150420
>effect
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:26:18 AM No.96150837
>>96150772
Yeah, I'm learning on Arena currently. The challenges and bot games help with that a ton. Right now I'm just ignoring the billions of boosters Arena threw at me so I don't get bogged down in all the wacky abilities/keywords they have.

>>96150806
My LGS is offering mono color decks for $15 from this list (https://www.tcgplayer.com/content/article/5-Starter-MTG-Beginner-Decks-for-Magic-Foundations/da2f3a08-f1a7-4da5-b381-bd9920b4f96a/). From what I can glean they're simple enough and function, but obviously they're not winning a tournament. I was told they're a good place to start as a baseline.
Replies: >>96150888
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:26:34 AM No.96150840
otj-168-hardbristle-bandit
otj-168-hardbristle-bandit
md5: b9fc0ef8ce1d8d1fcee6c562c1c30587🔍
>>96150816
Did you not figure that out when they labelled interaction as "crime"? It's a minor miracle they didn't include a clause for wraths too.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:29:47 AM No.96150853
>>96150816
>Before the game even starts properly two people had to mull under 5 just to get lands
if this actually happened you should just get another group desu. bullying the blind gets tiring quick
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:35:53 AM No.96150887
>>96150364
>That's weird, right?
no, they purposefully reduced the amount of Planeswalkers per set so we can have more legendary creatures for commander, then they reduced the amount of legendaries a little bit on in-universe sets so they can go all out in Universe Beyond sets
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:35:56 AM No.96150888
>>96150837
>I was told they're a good place to start as a baseline.
This is a lie to convince you to play garbage, feed free wins to the assholes who gave you that advice, and learn wrong by playing a deck that won't teach you anything. You learn all the wrong lessons about why you win or lose when you walk into a fight with a weaker deck. It's the same price to buy one of the Top 8 ($200-$400) decks as it is to buy ten shit decks - and you will learn real skills playing a Top 8 deck and learn fuck-all playing 10 shit decks. Seriously ask yourself, do you think you're going to learn anything bringing 10 different sticks to 10 gun fights; why listen to the people who are encouraging you to play with sticks when anybody with a brain knows to bring a gun.
Replies: >>96150908 >>96150949 >>96150980 >>96151003
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:37:09 AM No.96150899
drk-50-nameless-race
drk-50-nameless-race
md5: bcb10ab5e250d8e4668dbf2a008c8e97🔍
it's a shame it's on the reserved list, could've been a funny special reprint for the Avatar set.
Replies: >>96151121
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:38:32 AM No.96150908
1751554848711390
1751554848711390
md5: fc25b9e2bbf0a41102abd1027e59dd30🔍
>>96150888
>telling someone who is totally new and has no idea how anything works to blow $400 right out of the gate
>mfw
Replies: >>96150941
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:43:01 AM No.96150940
>>96150364
They have beem dropping the amou t of planeswalkers on sets for like five fucking years now, are you retarded?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:43:11 AM No.96150941
>>96150908
What, you can't afford $400? You're going to spend god knows how many years playing $40 dogshit decks losing and never learning anything?

You're not going to spend $400 taking lessons on how to drive properly? You're just going to be one of those shit drivers out there who don't know shit?
Replies: >>96150952
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:44:52 AM No.96150949
>>96150888
Counterpoint; if they end up not wanting to get back into the game completely, at least as much money wasted. That, and, depending on where he plays, the other players there might help him out a bit if he mentions that he's new
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:45:02 AM No.96150952
>>96150941
just because you lose doesn't mean you can't have fun doing it
Replies: >>96150972
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:46:59 AM No.96150972
>>96150952
>mtg
>fun
Replies: >>96151013
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:48:07 AM No.96150980
>>96150888
the point is to see if they enjoy the game, anon
not to prepare for a tourny
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:50:36 AM No.96151003
>>96150888
You know you can just have fun and not sweat all over your LGS's tables, right? I'm pretty sure plenty of people would play some simple games with a new player to show them the ropes.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:51:43 AM No.96151013
>>96150972
Depends on who you play against. Like, if you're able to shoot the shit with them, any match can be fun
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:09:10 AM No.96151121
>>96150899
...zuko?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:11:26 AM No.96151135
>>96147778
>errata'd to a bite spell
this set really is shit
Replies: >>96151212
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:24:04 AM No.96151212
>>96151135
It was always a bite spell they just fucked up.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:30:51 AM No.96151244
>>96146946
graduate middle school, then we'll tell you what the problem is
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:57:31 AM No.96151370
yeeeee
yeeeee
md5: 6ca217f17a9d41079a89e70a0b68622d🔍
Memedern FNM report
>what i brought
UG Ritual
>matches
2-0 Ruby Storm
1-2 Grixis Shadow
2-0 Broodscale Combo
i considered mulling to Chalice in g2 and 3, but homeboy is playing T1 Thoughtseize: The Deck, so it would have had to have been Chalice+Force+Blue Card+2 lands and that didn't feel realistic. Had a removal spell for anything i tried to leave on board for Ritual or Flare and pretty much just had my number for g2 and 3.. Harbinger was real good when it resolved though.
idk if this deck is real, but its fun as shit.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:08:20 AM No.96151396
it's time to let this shit game go and move to 40k, anons.
Replies: >>96151420 >>96151482 >>96151498 >>96151606
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:09:00 AM No.96151398
>>96147006
>>96147060
i played against this deck earlier and slammed a t1 Vexing Bauble on him. now NOBODY gets to have fun!
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:14:04 AM No.96151420
>>96151396
If I wanted to set money on fire I'd just do it
Replies: >>96151426
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:15:24 AM No.96151426
>>96151420
>Buying mtg
Anon?
BTW Killteam is really fun.
Replies: >>96151518
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:22:30 AM No.96151447
I'll sell inexpensive good quality proxies at cost until JOTC files for bankruptcy
Replies: >>96152222
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:24:26 AM No.96151456
>Pauper deck
$20
>the Blue Elemental Blasts in the sideboard
$50
guess I'm not installing MTGO after all.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:30:28 AM No.96151482
>>96151396
>it's time to put down the crack pipe and start shooting heroin straight into your veins, anons
Replies: >>96151502
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:34:04 AM No.96151498
>>96151396
The appeal of Magic and 40k is completely different. Might as well move from 40k to breakdancing.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:35:50 AM No.96151502
>>96151482
I go to know several examples of both cokeheads and 40k players and let me tell you, the cokeheads had the wiser financial habit by a mile.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:39:04 AM No.96151518
>>96151426
>buy MTG cards
>cards are worth the same as you spent on them (or more, if you know what you're doing)
>buy plastic toy waste
>should have saved the effort and set that cash on fire
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Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:41:06 AM No.96151526
1641868207976
1641868207976
md5: 5a7cd59825b2d8779b85f422981c465c🔍
>>96151518
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:46:22 AM No.96151536
>>96151518
and if i buy mtg cards they can be banned but they're not nerfed to the ground like 40k armies are lol
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:52:00 AM No.96151554
>>96151518
>>cards are worth the same as you spent on them (or more, if you know what you're doing)
In what world ? Even in commander where cards are not subjected to standard and are not reprinted as often wotc can destroy the value of a card with a simple reprint.
FF cards that don't become modern/legacy staples will become bulk in 3 years.
Stop being delusional lmao.
Replies: >>96151663
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:02:14 AM No.96151606
>>96151396
is your game in that shit of a state that you feel the need to shill it to us?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:19:49 AM No.96151663
>>96151554
if you're buying cards that will become worthless in 3 years (or cracking sealed product of FF lol) then you are in the
>doesn't know what they're doing
category
Replies: >>96151733
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:50:15 AM No.96151733
>>96151663
How the fuck you play then? Lmao most cards end up losing value. If you want to play stock market with mtg cards then you are better actually buying stocks lmao
Replies: >>96151769
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:02:30 AM No.96151769
>>96151733
buy cards for the decks in eternal formats you play (modern/legacy/pauper/premodern).
I've always been against just randomly buying cards but I sometimes pick up eternal staples or neat old cards (like FBB stuff) if I find a good deal at a shop.
never buy Standard-legal cards or anything similar. if you want to play Standard or any of those new formats for whatever reason then go play on Arena for free.
don't know anything about EDH so can't comment for those players, but they can presumably buy valuable old cards that retain their worth.
>play with the stock market instead
I know most things about Magic and nothing about the stock market, besides that day trading is probably a terrible idea. maybe everyone should be putting money into an ETF instead of their magic collection but that's not fun.
Replies: >>96152023
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:08:37 AM No.96151927
Anyone ever run or been to an event with teams of two? I understand how it works for teams of three but how do you determine who wins the match in teams of two?
>both players win its obviously a win
>both players lose its obviously a lose
>one player wins one player loses, how do you determine which team won the match?
Replies: >>96151982
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:24:06 AM No.96151982
>>96151927
don't you just do points-based scoring?
Replies: >>96152001
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:29:52 AM No.96152001
>>96151982
My understanding was that teams are scored the same way a player is scored, but I'm asking how you determine the team match win or loss when one player wins their match and the other player loses the match
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:37:38 AM No.96152023
>>96151769
>modern/legacy/pauper
modern and Legacy? The formats that are constantly rotating since Modern Horizons 1?
Pauper?
The format that they ban key cards to decks all the time?

You must be joking or actually never look at the price of the cards that you supposedly buy.
Replies: >>96152060 >>96153030
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:54:10 AM No.96152060
>>96152023
If you've been playing the game long enough it's really not hard to know which Legacy staples are going to retain their value. (buy original printings)
Modern I'm not the biggest fan of but you can find one deck to buy into and stick with it, constantly chasing the newest thing is more likely to burn you. I've only played Amulet Titan for the last couple years. Boseiju and Urza's Saga I play in Legacy, Amulets/Scapeshifts have gone up slightly and I'll only get burned on them if the deck gets banned (which I guess is possible but they haven't for a decade so..). Everything else was cheap.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:00:22 AM No.96152063
Ruling question, if my spell gets countered, does it still count as caster?
For reference, let's say I play a 3 mana cost non-creature spell with Y'shtola as my commander. Her ability says whenever I cast a 3 mana cost or more non-creature spell, her ability actives.
If my spell gets countered, does her ability still activate?
Replies: >>96152081 >>96152124 >>96152140
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:31:45 AM No.96152081
>>96152063
Casting a spell puts it on the stack. It is casted.
On the stack is where things can be countered.
If the spell is not countered or removed from the stack in other ways, it resolves and either enters the battlefield (permanent card) or goes to the graveyard after applying its effects (sorcery or instant).
Replies: >>96152096
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:41:25 AM No.96152096
>>96152081
So basically it has to be *successfully* casted, as in the stack must completely resolve before her ability triggers? I thought casted means I paid the mana and the spell gets activated, Y'shtola's ability activates before the resolution of that spell.

Also, how does the interaction between Alisaie and Alphinauld work? Alisaie reduces the cost of the second spell that gets casted that turn by 2, Alphinauld allows me to draw a card whenever the second spell gets casted that turn.
Let's say I first call Alisaie onto the board as my first spell and use her ability to reduce the mana cost of Alphinauld, since he will be my second spell. After he gets placed, do I get to draw a card since he was the second spell casted that turn or does his ability not activate since he was not on the board when the effect of "second spell gets casted" gets resolved? And even if I play another spell after, I still can't trigger his ability since that will technically be the third spell of that phase?
Replies: >>96152124 >>96152128
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:55:06 AM No.96152124
>>96152063
>>96152096
>put spell on stack
>put the "on cast" trigger onto the stack above the spell
>pass priority attempting to let the stack resolve (this is when the opponent can cast their counterspell)
>order of resolution will be 1)Counter 2) Ability trigger 3)Your original spell(if it wasn't countered)
Once you put a spell on the stack, it has been "cast". Anything that triggers based on "cast" will trigger, there is no requirement for resolution.
"Responding" is actually a short hand for having been passed priority by the active player.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:57:00 AM No.96152128
>>96152096
>So basically it has to be *successfully* casted, as in the stack must completely resolve before her ability triggers? I thought casted means I paid the mana and the spell gets activated, Y'shtola's ability activates before the resolution of that spell.
How the fuck did you get that from
>Casting a spell puts it on the stack. It is casted.
Like, you took away the complete opposite of what I typed.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:02:18 AM No.96152140
>>96152063
casting a spell and resolving a spell are two different things
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:11:37 AM No.96152164
all of my cards (duals, bazaars, tabernacles, etc.) are slabbed. there is no "playing" here. just living vicariously through youtube videos.
Replies: >>96152191
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:19:03 AM No.96152188
BattleBeast-UnholySavior
BattleBeast-UnholySavior
md5: afc04646f1971552a897b3327299358f🔍
What was the most "metal album cover art" Magic set?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:20:12 AM No.96152191
>>96152164
you know they made like 20,000 cards right
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:31:35 AM No.96152218
>>96150608
that is if you are VERY incompetent. when I play a new card for the first time I read it out loud to my opponent to explain it. sometimes a second time if my opponent asks what it does. when reading it like that there is 0 chance to miss it, and I'm not even a play tester
Replies: >>96152248
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:33:08 AM No.96152222
>>96151447
keep doing god's work
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:40:37 AM No.96152248
>>96152218
>when I play a new card for the first time I read it out loud
I fucking hate people who just go "I play this" without saying what they're paying for it, what the card's name is, or what it does because they're too autistic to communicate with others. It benefits both players to read out your cards.
Replies: >>96152268 >>96152343
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:48:04 AM No.96152268
>>96152248
yeah, pretty much everyone in our lgs does this. makes you think what the play test team is doing or do they not have fresh eyes on the cards at all
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:02:32 AM No.96152317
>>96147671
They always try to meet up to create a hivemind and they can share abilities with other slivers around them.
So they're all a "sliver" of what they could be
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:11:57 AM No.96152343
>>96152248
who cares nigger it's 20 lines you're gonna have to read it anyway
Replies: >>96152349
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:14:12 AM No.96152349
>>96152343
This anon feels uncomfortable looking someone in the eyes.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:09:59 PM No.96152507
202502
202502
md5: c6fb4259a533e004cf79e15983bb039d🔍
>>96146893 (OP)
play it
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 12:23:38 PM No.96152545
>>96150364
1 is supposed to be the norm. 2 is when it fits the set.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:18:59 PM No.96152710
>>96146916
>this set will have eldrazi and slivers!
>1 eldrazi
>0 slivers
grim
Replies: >>96153275
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:28:43 PM No.96152747
file
file
md5: bc136916077fccffb8882c89f517c2c7🔍
I don't play MTGO but for Sealed FF you recoup your entry fee when you go 2-4 and anything above that is profit.
Isn't that really good EV or does this kind of thing happen often on the client?
Replies: >>96152827 >>96152901 >>96153074
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 1:51:49 PM No.96152827
>>96152747
huh the rewards are in play points and the entry is calculated with tickets
the EV assumes 1 play point = 1 ticket
but doing a bit of research, it seems like play points are worth less than tickets. (maybe around 1 play point = 0.6 tickets?)
if any MTGO players can confirm
Replies: >>96152901
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:23:46 PM No.96152901
>>96152747
>>96152827
play points can't be traded, you can only use them to enter other events, so the rewards are only as good as you can use them
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:41:30 PM No.96152962
>>96149384
You should try reading some old cards. Theyre truly arcane. Makes the wordiness of modern cards look palatable.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 2:57:53 PM No.96153030
>>96152023
>They ban cards all the hecking time!!!11
>Only two bans that killed a deck where glitters and scale
>Both obviously broken
>Both use cards used in 3+ different decks
Huh, huh... Neat.
>Inb4 MUH RELAY/TURBO INIT/CHATTER STORM!!1
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:07:36 PM No.96153074
>>96152747
What's the deal with MTGO vs MTGA anyway? Should I be playing one over the other if I haven't touched either?
Replies: >>96153088 >>96153130 >>96153140 >>96153164
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:11:36 PM No.96153088
>>96153074
>MTGA
Freemium "game" with dogshit animations, dogshit formats and phone port, adored by 4channers because the low skill floor and blatant rigging/gambling mechanics.
>Mtgo
High skill environment with an UI and user experience equivalent to playing on windows XP regedit. 4channers hate it because the high skill floor it commands and money-adjacent reward. Has all formats but alchemy, has community formats and leagues like premodern, penny dreadful, 93/94 (albeit sans chaos orb), etc...
NOT f2p, you have to piggy up 5$ and then buy or rent your cards (if you are good, leagues will pay for your rent).
Replies: >>96153116 >>96153155
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:17:08 PM No.96153116
>>96153088
>t. mtgo grinder faggot that enjoys the horrible interphase and is ok with the scam mtgo is.
classic.
Replies: >>96153132 >>96153268
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:20:04 PM No.96153130
>>96153074
Non-schizo answer, Mtgo is the older client released around 2000. Its clunky but functional and where most people play legacy and vintage, as well as vintage cube.

Arena is the modern client. It has vastly fewer cards as it was made around Ixalan block, but the focus is on draft and standard.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:20:06 PM No.96153132
>>96153116
>Can't read
>Calls mtgo a scam when the alternative is mtga
Lol
Just say you are a pioQUEER 1-4 gamer mate.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:22:20 PM No.96153140
>>96153074
>What's the deal with MTGO vs MTGA anyway?
MTGO is the official way to play digital magic, it was introduced way back in 2002 and it has almost every card in the game, therefore you can play modern, legacy, vintage, pauper, commander or whatever other eternal format you might be interested in
MTGA is essentially a hearthstone version of magic, it was introduced back in 2017 with the intent of getting people who like digital card games into standard, they have released a lot of cards since them and the client got its own formats like alchemy, explorer, historic and timeless
> Should I be playing one over the other if I haven't touched either?
it's just a matter of which formats you want to play and asking yourself if you want to invest time or money, arena lets you play standard and draft for free but you gotta grind ingame currency to keep up, magic online lets you play a bunch of formats that aren't on arena, but you're gonna have to either buy or rent cards

usually people will start with arena, build a standard collection to get familar with the game and then, down the line, they'll give mtgo a try to see if they like the formats arena is missing, you don't necessarily have to ditch one over the other
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:25:50 PM No.96153155
>>96153088
are you an MTGO grinder?
I'm thinking about getting into it, but I'm wondering which formats to play to build a bankroll of play points to start out with
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:27:42 PM No.96153164
>>96153074
play Arena for Standard, Draft, and newer formats (it's free)
play MTGO for Modern, Pauper, Legacy, Vintage Cube Draft, and older formats (you will have to spend money)
Replies: >>96153286
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:50:09 PM No.96153268
>>96153116
>interphase
Bloody bitch basterd
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:52:32 PM No.96153275
>>96152710
Stop, otherwise the shills will start to shit post against you
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:54:17 PM No.96153286
>>96153164
Unless you intend to just learn draft you shouldn't do draft on arena, it's a fake draft with fake players which changes the dynamic of the game.
Replies: >>96153301 >>96153415
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 3:57:32 PM No.96153301
>>96153286
Do you play with the same pod you drafted with in MTGO? I feel like hate drafting is becoming a lost art.
Replies: >>96153425
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:04:35 PM No.96153340
>they play anything but standard and MAYBE commander with their friends on the weekends with paper
Replies: >>96153403
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:14:07 PM No.96153386
https://moxfield.com/decks/YOqjjLNqy06u0VkE9Bk_Tw
wanted to try playing standard. how is this considering next rotation?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:17:04 PM No.96153399
shitlistv2
shitlistv2
md5: 2cdc90bb3d8ce193f1654518317e1f03🔍
WE GOING PLACES WITH THIS SHITBREW, MY BROTHERS.
Many of the Mine-type pieces are gone, in favor of the combo. High Noon's still there for how well it deals with Phoenix, though High Priest of Penance + Requiem Monolith covers much of those issues. Priest of Penance with an indestructible counter from Season of the Burrow is DANK.

Still much to test. It's feeling actually alright though. Being able to just instantly fucking murder people out of nowhere with Monolith+Sheo feels great.

Metropolis Reformer is a very good solution to the aggro slop that plagues the format right now. Block with it while it hoses Nemesis being able to hit you in the face, then bring it back indestructible with Season and you basically have the game on lock. Its ability also negates the life loss from Requiem and our big damage vomit so it kind of slots in.
Replies: >>96154010
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:17:56 PM No.96153403
>>96153340
>he doesn't play Shoebox constructed
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:22:07 PM No.96153415
>>96153286
drafting on arena being free kind of beats out everything else.
even good drafters can lose money on MTGO.
and good drafters can even make money on Arena, their Limited tournament system is pretty generous and has weak competition.
(there are definite downsides though. I'm worried about the competition on Arena being so bad it makes me worse at the game)
Replies: >>96153433 >>96153434
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:24:25 PM No.96153425
>>96153301
Both, there's queues that work like on mtga where you draft in a pod and then play with random people and a draft pod where you play within your own pod.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:25:39 PM No.96153433
>>96153415
If free is your concern then just draft on xmage, there's no money to be made on mtga but you shouldn't be playing mtg to make money regardless.
Replies: >>96153449
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:25:57 PM No.96153434
>>96153415
I lost all my gems going 1-3 on Bloomburrow drafts because that environment was a mess. I went infinite on pretty much every other set but I gamble fallacied myself out of my digital shekels so now I can't even build decks to play games to earn gems.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:29:00 PM No.96153449
>>96153433
>there's no money to be made on mtga
I played 1 run of Sealed last month and won a FF Collector's Box for it
should be easy to turn that into money
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:31:51 PM No.96153470
eoe-24-lightstall-inquisitor
eoe-24-lightstall-inquisitor
md5: c9f192f375ce7aec75931d8deff4f29f🔍
>We have Hopeless Nightmare at home
Replies: >>96153480 >>96153881
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:34:20 PM No.96153480
>>96153470
How's the Space set looking anyway? I'm a filthy casual, but I was thinking buying a few boosters.
Replies: >>96153482 >>96153516 >>96153692
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:35:05 PM No.96153482
>>96153480
>How's the Space set looking anyway? I'm a filthy casual, but I was thinking buying a few boosters.
Total shit. One of the worst sets of all time, down there with MKM and Prophecy.
Replies: >>96153546 >>96153653
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:41:23 PM No.96153516
>>96153480
Pretty decent if you have green commander decks. Otherwise it's okay at best, the major mechanic is ass.
Replies: >>96153552
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:49:10 PM No.96153546
>>96153482
Hey now, I like Foil.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:50:06 PM No.96153552
>>96153516
So as a perpetual red/blue fucker, it's no good? I only recently started, but Foundations has been really nice to me.
Replies: >>96153601
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 4:56:59 PM No.96153601
>>96153552
Blue has some potential if artifacts becomes an archetype, but for now Annul is probably the best card.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:06:46 PM No.96153653
>>96153482
the bonus sheet will save it financially, but the design really is garbage
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:10:36 PM No.96153674
Is the blue station the only station worth a damn?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:13:13 PM No.96153692
>>96153480
buying boosters is always a bad idea unless you want to use them to play Draft or a Sealed event.
you're going to get less money worth of cards when you open them than if you just bought singles.
if you want to drop $40 on packs of every new set that comes out then you're best off going to the prerelease at your store. at least you get to play with what you open. plus maybe they give away a promo or prizes.
Replies: >>96153873
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:37:27 PM No.96153873
>>96153692
My monkey brain still gets a rush from opening stuff. How do pre releases work? I've never done one.
Replies: >>96153911 >>96154270
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:38:54 PM No.96153881
LightstallInquisitor
LightstallInquisitor
md5: dae957e084ba04ceffde1857169cb76a🔍
>>96153470
>we have space tits at home
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:42:49 PM No.96153911
>>96153873
stores run Prerelease events the weekend before each new set comes out
everyone buys a box with 6 packs (plus a foil promo card and d20)
you build a 40 card deck out of the cards you open in your six packs (this format is called Sealed) and play a tournament with them.
usually pretty casual events, good for seeing your LGS crowd. if you say you're new you could probably get some help with deckbuilding.
I think they cost the same as what six packs would run you anyways? so it's much better than just opening them by yourself.
Replies: >>96153961
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:49:49 PM No.96153961
>>96153911
Well at least the sound of playing with only what you get prevents my ass from being whooped by some pricey meta deck. It doesn't sound like it would hurt.
Replies: >>96154270
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:57:04 PM No.96153998
1647112176857
1647112176857
md5: ce4eed54f295bc4d5261f27cff2dd173🔍
Don't trust the shills!
They are in panic mode trying to make people waste money on this dumpsterfire of new set.
Replies: >>96154021
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:58:17 PM No.96154010
>>96153399
based high noon gamer
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:59:23 PM No.96154021
>>96153998
But what if I just want some ayylmao cards? What if I enjoy running decks where everything is a goblin (red) or a cat (white)?
Replies: >>96154038
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:01:18 PM No.96154038
>>96154021
What ayylamo cards? There are none. Its just humans in space.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:34:54 PM No.96154270
>>96153873
>>96153961
I really recommend limited (and sealed is a more relaxing intro than draft) - it's fairly skill-testing in deck construction, but there's still enough randomness in pools and games that you can still get wins when being new.
I've drafted probably a thousand times in my life, it really is a great way to play the game. Sealed is a good intro to draft.
Replies: >>96154309
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:41:12 PM No.96154309
>>96154270
I fully expect I'll be whooped immediately, but I figured pre release will be less brutal than a standard tournament against people with pricey meta decks.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 6:53:45 PM No.96154419
1750468277415439
1750468277415439
md5: dda914fc2785d0ef3e21a0470fbacf5b🔍
>>96147778
>They nerfed green murder
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:04:20 PM No.96154503
sliver weftwinder
sliver weftwinder
md5: b3c8c5128e9d5608b8ad00f14a50f281🔍
Oh you wanted some Slives for Standard to go with the only Sliver card? Well fuck you, Alchemy will get new Slivers.
Replies: >>96154524
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:07:36 PM No.96154524
>>96154503
>Two arms
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Replies: >>96155927
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:08:27 PM No.96154532
IMG_1586-scaled
IMG_1586-scaled
md5: 6447ade303bc4c2cafccd8dd109e00a3🔍
the more I play with this card in standard the more I think it's just crushingly the best and only held back by being hard to play/a few answers that are rotating
Replies: >>96154580 >>96154690 >>96154757
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:08:56 PM No.96154537
tired
tired
md5: 01419075f7aef3f610ea4b3d4a430c02🔍
>>96147778
ah fuck off i was going to be the judge at our locals draft night, this is going to be a nightmare
Replies: >>96154557
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:11:22 PM No.96154557
>>96154537
you literally just have to announce it beforehand retardbro
Replies: >>96154589
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:13:45 PM No.96154580
>>96154532
If they don't ban this shit i don't know what this faggots are doing with balance
Replies: >>96154629 >>96154757 >>96154980
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:14:13 PM No.96154589
>>96154557
you know there is always THAT one fatso
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:17:43 PM No.96154629
2q6x0rluier91
2q6x0rluier91
md5: 65273e2148731f63a3f5501a46f4aad3🔍
>>96154580
I was trying to make Sephiroth work for awhile on Arena ladder and it was okay but required endless work and careful play to be mediocre.

Then I switched over to my prowess deck and every game is like "lmao all my cards are amazing, this is just a normal curve and if they don't kill Vivi they lose the game, if they do who cares, and if they do and I find Cauldron they just die anyway"

Vivi is going to be a problem. They didn't ban it at the last ban announcement because it's a chase mythic from the new set but a lot of top players said it was actually what was broken in prowess.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:25:47 PM No.96154690
>>96154532
This card feels unimpressive in play and comically broken under cauldron. I think cauldron might be the culprit for giving the ability of a 0 power creature to all of your creatures.
Replies: >>96154732
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:29:51 PM No.96154732
>>96154690
It's insane in play too because it's a must answer threat. Yes they can kill it but if they don't they probably just lose the game. The fact that you can spend the mana on anything, even on activating abilities of permanents or casting non-instant and sorcery spells was probably a mistake. It's hyper pushed
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:32:54 PM No.96154757
>>96154532
>>96154580
I'm just sitting here praying for a ban just so I can grab it for collection's sake after it crashes. I don't have enough kidneys to sell for $70 a pop cards.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:38:52 PM No.96154822
>vintage
>legacy
>modern
>nu-extended ("""standard""")
Dead.
>Coomander
Not MTG. Just a bunch of slop for trannies.
>Pauper
>Premodern
The only formats worth playing. Though premodern needs a reserved list ban to keep the prices of decks down.
Replies: >>96154835 >>96154904
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:40:26 PM No.96154835
>>96154822
>premodern
lol
Replies: >>96154884
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:44:08 PM No.96154884
>>96154835
It's a lot more fun than "standard," legacy, and modern.
Replies: >>96154919
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:45:57 PM No.96154904
>>96154822
lol retard
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:47:06 PM No.96154919
>>96154884
No it isn't. It's also full of the gayest players of all time that think calling a deck broccoli or full english is funny. Premodern is for fags.
Replies: >>96155195 >>96156563
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:48:08 PM No.96154931
AlchemySliver
AlchemySliver
md5: de97b29f99221d24fef84202efd6b1ec🔍
Alchemy will at least get another sliver.
Replies: >>96156154
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:48:51 PM No.96154939
>>96149595
Their proof read staff might not know anything about mtg and just check for spelling errors. And even if they knew they might not send back a card because they don't know the intended wording.

>testers
They obviously don't play with final printed card versions.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:53:05 PM No.96154980
>>96154580
Has any point in the past 6+ years of Magic given you the impression the retards at WotC have any idea what they're doing with balance?
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 7:53:18 PM No.96154984
slowpoke
slowpoke
md5: 57e8e685d5e57625eb8f7e0ebdbb345b🔍
>Alchemy will at least get another sliver.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:03:06 PM No.96155058
The digital only shit format is getting Slivers because... Obviously because we can!!! What a bunch of faggots.
Replies: >>96155103
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:10:38 PM No.96155103
>>96155058
You're allowed to make fake cards too.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:11:00 PM No.96155106
Ragost
Ragost
md5: ab370ad43607d2c62e88ce6f73041f86🔍
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/the-legends-of-edge-of-eternities
Things of Note
Xu-Ifit is a lesbian. She is experimenting on a way to save her wife.
The Hearthhull is a eumidian turned into a spacecraft.
The Inspirit is a temple/god.
Kilo is an artificial intelligence develop from the Inspirit who now seeks spiritual enlightenment.
Future Alchemy Legendaries
Axavar is a Drix assassin that believes stopping the Eldrazi is pointless so he began hunting other Drix assassins.
Sliver Weftwinder is burrowed inside the chaos wall.
Replies: >>96155130 >>96157663
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:14:05 PM No.96155130
>>96155106
have Alchemy cards been spoilered yet?
they're always complete nonsense based around some set mechanic WotC wants to push super hard in their format
Replies: >>96155212
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:17:24 PM No.96155149
>local shop is running prerelease
>you get a free pack for showing up
>each bracket you survive gets you a oack, then two, then three
>winning gets you the box
Time to pack some extra deodorant, because I'm going into the sweatshop.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:24:20 PM No.96155195
>>96154919
>his format doesn't have a deck named for breakfast
Time to get ready for school Timmy
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:26:15 PM No.96155212
>>96155130
No, only few arts.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:27:16 PM No.96155218
dude cephalid lmao
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:27:45 PM No.96155225
The real money hack is to invest only in eternal lands when they get reprinted. So only shocks and only at $5
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:37:31 PM No.96155300
>invest
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 8:57:36 PM No.96155433
Do you think wizards can even ban UB cards?
Replies: >>96155462
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:00:05 PM No.96155454
>Invest
Every day I pray this garbage game to finally push it too far and crash and burn and every single card's value to drop to -0.01

I hope you suffer.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:01:24 PM No.96155462
>>96155433
You mean like the UB cards currently banned?
Replies: >>96155510 >>96155535
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:07:13 PM No.96155510
>>96155462
Which ones are those? Didn’t see any that popped out from cursory look at the banlists
Replies: >>96155572
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:10:08 PM No.96155535
>>96155462
i just want 40k reprints
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:10:46 PM No.96155540
Is the Premodern tournament player around?
I'm wondering if MUD Prison is a real deck in that format.
Beautiful, beautiful MUD.
Replies: >>96155572 >>96155604
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:15:37 PM No.96155572
>>96155510
There's 1 banned in modern (very conspicuous) and 2 banned in legacy (much less conspicuous)
>>96155540
One guy at my shop plays something resembling mud, it seems ok
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 9:19:05 PM No.96155604
>>96155540
>I'm wondering if MUD Prison is a real deck in that format.
Absolutely.
It's an expensive deck to build though.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:08:50 PM No.96155927
>>96154524
The "big" ones often have more than one arm, mom got two and pops got 3.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:46:43 PM No.96156154
>>96154931
What are slivers "slivers" of?
Replies: >>96156169 >>96156463
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:49:41 PM No.96156169
>>96156154
I don't understand the question.
Replies: >>96156184
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:52:56 PM No.96156184
>>96156169
>sliver (noun)

>a small, thin piece of something cut or split off a larger piece.
Replies: >>96156204
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 10:57:18 PM No.96156204
>>96156184
I understand the meaning of the words. But the question appears to be nonsensical.
Replies: >>96156535
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:37:49 PM No.96156463
>>96156154
They're slivers of some oldwalker's dick
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:47:46 PM No.96156535
>>96156204
Well, they're a pseudo-hivemind, so the idea is each Sliver is part of a greater whole. A sliver, if you will.
Replies: >>96156556
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:49:48 PM No.96156556
>>96156535
Then the answer to your question is, Slivers.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:50:25 PM No.96156563
>>96154919
Sounds like you have some mental issues. Maybe you should see a psychiatrist.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:54:15 PM No.96156599
FLOURISHING
FLOURISHING
md5: 1343709a54a1ffca835f75215c84986c🔍
Looks like Izzet is the top deck again. I hate Izzet so much.
Replies: >>96156614
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:55:57 PM No.96156614
>>96156599
Again, Vivi is just broken. The amount of mana it can make with very little setup is obscene. They didn't ban it because it's the chase mythic for the new set, dooming standard for another year
Replies: >>96156638
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:56:53 PM No.96156622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH5DCEygNYM
it's on
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 11:58:37 PM No.96156638
>>96156614
>he didn't pull lmao4vivi out of his ass
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 12:23:02 AM No.96156838
>>96148139
even like "another player controls" would be cool
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 12:46:20 AM No.96156971
>Green Removal
>Is removed
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 2:33:04 AM No.96157663
>>96155106
Hang on, lesbian space necromancer trying to bring back her dead lover? Is this just a broad Locked Tomb reference?
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 2:46:12 AM No.96157734
>>96157726
>>96157726
>>96157726