Thread 96150683

>a devastating scene just happens
>one of them gets the great idea of trying to "lighten the mood" with a joke

>>96150683 (OP)
God forbid a game should be fun. Get over yourself faggot. Your """"story"""" isnt interesting or deep.

>>96150683 (OP)
You fail to understand the human heart OP and this is why you suck at DMing

>don't speak unless directly spoken to
>don't engage or make plans within the game
>don't take notes, need a refresher a few times per session
>barely understand the rules, checks out if someone tries to explain it

>>96150683 (OP)
Yeah, there are people who do that in response to devastating things happening to them in real life, too. People are people, no matter how much you might want them to be dramatic set pieces.

>>96150683 (OP)
What was the scene?

>>96150683 (OP)

>The contrarian(if it's a low-magic world they want to be the last sorceror or whatever)
>Lone wolf or any variety of "I'm not really part of the group, just traveling with these people for my own ends".
>Wants to rest or return to town after every single skirmish
>The NPC(runs away or wants to call the town guards/police/authorities whenever something bad happens)
>Pop culture spamming(that's what she said, dead alewives etc). A good joke is an amazing thing but these feel like verbal spam.

>>96150683 (OP)
>Things you hate
>players
Short thread. Let's pack it in.

>>96150683 (OP)
Not having their character behave as they should.
I know /tg/ gets bottom blasted when a player has their character do something retarded or dickish and say "It's what my character would do." However, I am of the opinion that is a very valid response. What is bad form is when the player doesn't expect fallout for that action.

As an example, I was playing a legitimate kleptomaniac in a game, so I was stealing shit constantly. Useless shit most of the time that nobody would give a fuck about like flowers in a vase on a shelf. Any time we changed scenes, venues, etc, the first thing I did was swipe something.

All well and good until you steal from a dragon's hoard with the dragon right the fuck there. Got caught. Said "I got a condition. I steal constantly. These other guys have no idea I am doing it. Don't hold them responsible." and was absolutely cool with getting roasted right on the spot and rolling a new character. The annoying players would demand they get away with their bullshit, expect the party to back them in up in a suicide move, and other unacceptable bullshit. Stinkfinger Steve stole the panties of a cloud giant once, getting blasted for trying to steal a fucking skull sized ruby while the dragon was looking directly at him was an appropriate death.

>>96151285
>I know /tg/ gets bottom blasted when a player has their character do something retarded or dickish and say "It's what my character would do." However, I am of the opinion that is a very valid response. What is bad form is when the player doesn't expect fallout for that action.
I believe the core of the "it's what my character would do" problem is entirely predicated on the admittedly-selfish prospect of it only affecting that guy or affecting anyone else in the group.

Have an example of not something I hate, but just the reality of playing with women

>run evil campaign
>have a party adopt a treacherous backstabbing szarkai (albino dark elf)
>the dark elf has repeatedly proven to be extremely selfish, evil and manipulative
>this lasts most of the campaign
>nearing the end of the campaign
>drow starts killing of NPCs (that I find mechanically useless OOC and dead weight)
>women players start literally crying
>"WHY WOULD SHE DO THIS?!"
>"WE WERE SO GOOD TO HER"
>Tell me the whole campaign ending was ruined for them

>>96152212
Now that's funny.

>>96152212
I've seen similar story before. It's almost as if there's a pattern...
Also if this is DnD or one of its derivatives bringing back dead NPC soon becomes just a minor inconvenience.

>>96150683 (OP)
The thing I've been dealing with lately is the DM having a friend who just cannot let anything go ever. Every single campaign he plays a vengeful asshole, but the slightest hint of anyone being an asshole back means the entire story is now about putting that person in their place. It's do fucking tiring, but he's friends with the DM so fuck me. Dude's ego is so fucking fragile its like playing with a teenage girl despite him being a grown-ass adult in his late 20s.

>>96150683 (OP)
>Be Me
>Tell players I want to run a game with a serious or grounded tone
>A few days pass
>Ask players how their characters are coming along
>Every single one is a joke character, last group I did this for one was a literal isekai character

Is finding good players supposed to be this hard? I have filtered through at least two dozen at this point. I know online play is garbage, but I live somewhere without many other options. I don't need Game of Thrones or mudcore, but for fucks sake I just want some players who can be a bit more serious than fucking Konosuba.

>>96152394
sturgeon's law and so on
you just have to get lucky and stumble on the guys that want the same shit as you
I got mine on the third try like 10 years ago on a gamefinder thread and am still playing with the same core group (some have come and gone, including a few shitters and the irony poisoned like that guy that wanted to initiate ERP with his veiled hitler joke character)

>>96152212
>"evil campaign"
Retarded.
>surprised women act like women
Retardeder.

>>96152212
I have two female players in my regular group, and their default response towards any female NPCs is extreme distrust, avoidance, and general bitchiness. That the two players get along with eachother genuinely surprises me, because they both seem to hate other women as a rule.

>>96150752
>le FUN
you're the kind of faggot who plays a rerarded gnome barbarian and acts fucking cringe and useless for the entirety of the game
I want to strangle people like you when I'm at the table but thankfully you always drop out cause you have the attention span of a goldfish

>>96152394
This was me in my last game. The pitch the GM sold us was "You're in a hell-blasted arid mountain continent, resources are scarce, you have to do caveman politics with others and make tough decisions about how to keep your town alive".
I built a gruff, serious orcish cavalryman. Come gameday, I was surrounded by cute little goblins, one of whom had some kind of schizophrenia about his pet snake. This sabotaged a meeting with an important polity when said snake decided to go firebomb their caravan.
But anon, you may ask. Logically, wouldn't the snake be controlled by the character who owns it?
Yes. Yes, it was. And he chose to have an in-character argument with himself via the snake, thoroughly fucking over the entire second half of our first session through a destructive fit of lolrandumb.

>>96152510
Queen Bee syndrome.
Women hate other women, outside of the ones of their own hive, more than anything else.

>>96151188
i have a player who's a contrarian/NPC
>in this game you play as over the top, exceptional people, you aren't gods or anything but you have the potential to-
>oh i'll play a cowardly everyman who runs away at the first sign of trouble and will contribute to any convo only by saying how scared or clueless he is

That one guy that always wants to play a different game. If everyone is down for a TTrpg night he wants to play cards, play cards he wants to play a wargame, play a wargame he wants to play monopoly.

>>96150752
>Your """"story"""" isnt interesting or deep
This, dm's need to stop acting like they're writing the next Lotr
>Noooo stop doing unexpected things during the game, you're ruining my hecking story
Shut the fuck up you hack it's a game not a novel

>>96150683 (OP)
My pet peeve will always be players who don't bother to have even a general understanding of the rules for the game they're playing, expecting either the GM or the other players to spoonfeed them the necessary rules, retaining nothing. Why even play TTRPGs if you have something against reading?

>>96152880
I saw Critical Role and Critcrab on YouTube, I basically know the entire game already. Remind me how I roll an attack though.

>>96151188
Maybe the lone wolf is doing a character arc thing where they'll eventually come to accept working with other people for a cause greater than themself...aw who am I kidding

>>96150752
>being too insecure to take the story seriously
Sad.

>>96152880
Between that and the Rules Lawyer which is worse?

>>96152604
>>96152946
Absolutely malding over a game. Sad.

>>96152212
>Buddy has a wife who wants to try playing D&D
>That's cool, man.
>She joins the game
>Current adventure has the villain being a female elf wizard who is abducting children to use as components for a dark ritual
>Party tracks her down
>The players beat her to death
>Buddy's wife is not cool with that at all and demands to leave
>He tells us later that male characters harming female characters was promoting violence against women and misogynistic values that were extremely problematic to her and she doesn't want him playing anymore
>He still plays though

Honestly one of the few encounters I have had with retarded SJW shit in the wild instead of online. As a general rule, spouses and girlfriends/boyfriends are welcome to play or just come over to game nights unannounced to verify that we are indeed just playing games and not using drugs, getting drunk, or cheating with other people. Other than nicotine and caffeine, our game nights are drug free and we don't tolerate being accessories to infidelity. One buddy's wife joined in and became a routine player that really got into playing barbarian type characters.

>>96152915
It's worse when the player takes on a mechanically-complex role, like playing a hacker-type character in either Cyberpunk or Shadowrun, without knowing how to even do any hacking in the game, and that's on top of the rules for hacking being notorious for slowing games to a crawl.
>>96152987
I believe that there are "degrees" to being a Rules Lawyer, with the lower end (i.e., players who love reminding everyone else about RAW) being more tolerable. It can certainly get to the point where it becomes intolerable, such as a player who actively fights with the GM and the other players over the rules, but, in my experience, I'd certainly take that kind of player over someone who knows absolutely nothing.

The player who doesn't make an attempt to learn even the most basic of rules is a player who I'm certain is not as invested in the game as they might claim to be and will drag the game down with their need to be instructed at every turn.

>>96152979
You can easily shut down a rules lawyer if you just put your foot down. Getting a lazy slob to read three to five pages of a book is harder.

>>96153065
>TFW the female players are the most violent two in my group, ESPECIALLY towards female enemies.

The metagame police always get way more annoying than actual metagamers. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that players would have learned basic lore about common monsters from other adventurers or share basic non-secret information between scenes. Like, don't you have anything better to do than constantly pumping the brakes to point out one of the PCs stepped was outside the camp when a conversation happened or insist we RP not knowing what a troll is?

>>96152394

Online play is like the equivalent of how public events at the LGS attract all the gross troll-creatures who couldn't find a prviate group but with the entire internet as your pool of players.

>>96152979
NTA, but rules lawyers are worse.
A player who doesn't learn the basics still has a chance of learning while playing and becoming competent over time. Most systems are actually really easy to learn once you understand the primary conflict resolution mechanic (d20 roll over, d100 roll under, etc) but some just stay retarded.

Rules lawyers are retarded 99 times out of 100. Damn near 100% of them are trying to break the game and using rules incorrectly. For example, we had a guy who had built his character around using Shadow Step to teleport behind enemies and get situational bonuses to backstab the hell out of them with his attacks. He got super fucking salty when it was explained he has to use a standard attack action to use extra attacks and Shadow Step cost that standard action. His entire broken ass build was revolving around not understanding basic rules. This was back in 3e and is still in effect in 5e and mother fuckers still keep getting it wrong.

>>96152672
I would leave the group out of embarrassment from seeing something like that. I don't know how you guys have such a high tolerance to this kind of shit.

>>96151285
I don't think people ought to design their characters to be the kind of retards who do ridiculously stupid things like that

>>96152510
>default response towards any female NPCs is extreme distrust, avoidance, and general bitchiness.
Ah thats an easy fix. Just make your female NPCs goth. Simple as.
>>96153065
Thankfully, I live in the Balkans so SJWs are few and far between.
>>96152300
This is why I mostly play/run low fantasy with resurrection banned. Best that can happen is short term animate dead. People really need to be taught not to get attached to characters

>>96153145
I don't view players knowing what monsters are as metagaming most of the time, unless they are in area they have never been before and it's local flora and fauna. Even then, if the character is some kind of academic, has other buddies that have been there, or some other excuse, a basic check to see if they might know it second hand as an free action is permissable. In Starfinder, it should be treated like the characters know what 99% of shit is because they would have access to Space Google and essentially have a fucking PokeDex on hand.

>>96153071
Meant to reply to >>96152979

>>96153149
>rules lawyer
>that doesn't read the rules
That's not a rules lawyer, it's just a retard.

>>96153172
What does making them goth have to do with anything?

>>96153149
>what's worse, a rules lawyer or a guy who doesn't retain rules over time
>well, if the guys who doesn't retain rules over time eventually does retain rules then the rules lawyer is worse
Riveting posts as usual /tg/

>>96153218
I have no idea but it worked for me and all the females I played with..

>>96151285
Have to agree with the others, and it leads me to mine:
>Player doesn't build their character's personality to engage with the game set in front of them and their fellow party members.
If I put a tree in front of you and say "Your current session's backstory is that you're in front of this tree to climb it," the absolute last thing that is going to endear me to you or your character is if you turn around and spend 20-30 minutes splashing in the river, or if you shit talk the NPC to get him to attack the party.

I know as a DM I'm expected not to railroad you, but the complete inverse is true. I expect you as a player to railroad yourself and only to go off the track when you have a great in-character reason for doing so and you understand it will not drastically alter the story in a negative way for your co-players.

>>96153307
I don't mind players avoiding prepared stuff to do something else that interests them, what I do mind is when they don't do FUCKING ANYTHING

>>96152987
You don't even play games, you're just here to be a rancid piece of shit.

>>96153345
And he still gets (You)s because fa/tg/uys can't stop themselves from feeding trolls even if their lives depended on it.

>>96152394
>>Tell players I want to run a game with a serious or grounded tone
>>A few days pass
>>Ask players how their characters are coming along
Did you give them anything other than “a serious or grounded tone” to work with? Setting details, major conflicts, backstory that their characters would be aware of? Or did you just say “more serious than usual, guys” and leave them to figure it out?

If you have a particular vision in mind for the kind of campaign you want to run, it’s your responsibility to communicate that to the players. That can mean providing them with background material, sitting down with them to workshop their character concepts while they’re in development, or dictating certain restrictions in advance. If you just send them off to make their characters with only vague instructions, there’s no reason to assume that they’ll be able to read your mind.

>>96153242
His main argument was people who didn't read or learn any rules with rule retention being a secondary qualifier.

The person who doesn't retain rules? Yeah, they didn't come to play games at all and just want to be in a group of people. Those guys are the worst because they actively steer shit away from why people got together in the first place.

When broken into guy who didn't learn shit vs rules lawyer? RL is worse.
RL vs hobby distracting shitheel? The latter is infinitely worse.

Got one worse than either of them though. The guy who DOES know a game, is good at the game, and is a dismissive and belittling douchebag to newbies trying to learn the game. Ran into a lot of these guys in MtG groups. Not tournament plays but casual groups where newbies were kinda common. Hobby bullies.

>>96150683 (OP)
Players inserting new-speak, zoom-speak or modern knowledge about our world world
I had a player having a kleptomaniac char and when he got caught in the act by a fucking dragon steeling from his hoard he literally went
>I got a condition. I steal constantly.
the midwit couldn't think of something fun and setting appropriate like
>I'm possessed by the demons
he had to go with modern lingo

>>96153149
You're describing a munchkin, not a rules laywer

>>96153612
>broken english
>reddit spacing
>incomprehensible point
Are jannies botting this board after they scared everyone away with overbearing moderation?

>>96152472
Yes, you are retardeder.

>>96152394
I feel like a lot of people see posts on social media about funny D&D characters and decide they want to try the same.
I have to wonder, are joke characters even fun to play? I can't imagine a joke that wouldn't get old quickly.

I was playing a game once and the guy with the joke character dropped from the campaign minutes into session 0 while the DM was giving a rundown on the world.

>>96153801
Most dnd 5e campaigns last a few sessions, it is in these environments that joke characters thrive

>>96153801
Joke characters are not fun to play because D&D 5e itself is not fun to play. The person you're replying to was playing 5e, I guarantee it. When the system sucks ass, people make joke characters in an attempt to squeeze some amount of fun out of a void that offers none.

>>96152831
>playing with group
>that one guy won't shut the fuck up about how we'd absolutely love playing another system
>it's always some lightweight/ultralight itch.io crap
>trying to substitute our wargame with this

>>96150752
I'm a fellow playoid and I hate Whedon quipshit, and I hate the people who badly imitate it even more. Go back to playing World of Warcrap.

>>96150683 (OP)
>have a player who has clearly shown that they struggle with playing mechanically complex characters
>every turn, let alone every session, they have to relearn their character
>among other things, this results in their turns taking a LONG fucking time, just for them to default to the same basic cantrip cast, just like every other turn
>they refuse to play anything other than mechanically complex characters
We once had a session where each round took an actual hour because of this.

>>96150683 (OP)
Write a book if you can't handle players acting out your plot up to and including how their characters react to events.

>>96153842
That is a fair point. Not sure how many jokes can last a few session tho

>>96153867
1. Why bother joining a 5E game in the first place if its so terrible?
2. What system would be better then?

>>96150683 (OP)
Showing more than 15 minutes late
Not announcing ahead they will skip the game
Inability to schedule their life with the sessions

Everything else is trivial bullshit when compared with those three

>>96154164
Nta, but top of the top of my head
>Why joining
The only game in the area, the only working schedule, the only group speaking same language, the only place you can get with ease (or get back after the game)...
>What system
Any system that isn't just DnD clone is going to be better than DnD. Even the shity ones

>>96150683 (OP)

>Playoids don't want to skim the rules or even watch a short YouTube lore video
>Alright, I guess I can gradually roll the lore out and teach the mechanics with a simple adventure ala a vidya tutorial level
>Playoids are still confused or get bored

>>96150752
Eat shit and die Whedon.

>>96152604
Tee Hee Hee, Macaroni Macaroni!

>>96150752
FPBP fags mad

>>96154105
If they could they would.

>>96154164
5efags have an INTENSE hatred for any other game/previous edition of D&D. Even discussing the possibility of playing something other than 5e makes them confused and fly into a wild rage.

OP is a fag for letting one player's comments to throw them into a bitchfit in the first place at all. What did you expect? An applause for your melodrama trash like some special-ed kid? I'd be insulted if I were praised for every single stupid thing I've made.

>>96150683 (OP)
Try running more interesting games.

>>96151188
All good.

>>96151285
Why do you choose to make characters that aren't appropriate for cooperative games?

>>96152394
>tell players I want to run a game that sucks, is boring, and isn't fun

Try making different choices.

>>96152604
Sorry you hate having fun.

>>96152672
Based, that player is good and you're trash

>>96152946
>being too insecure to have fun
Sad.

>>96152979
Why did you buy a rulebook if you don't want to use rules?

>>96153065
Why doesn't she have a problem with violence against men?

>>96153145
Why are you using monsters out of the book?

>>96153307
Why is there a track? If you want a story, write a book. Games aren't stories. If the players aren't free to make any conceivable choice, there's no reason for them to show up.

>>96153630
Condition is a D&D term, it's perfectly appropriate for the game.

>>96156724
Wrong. You will play the game I want to run. If that's a problem, leave. I can pick and choose my playoids, and you'll spend the next 6 months trying to find any GM willing to give you a crumb of game.

>>96157084
Nope, you'll do as you're told with a smile.

>>96152979
A good rules lawyer ensures that you're consistent in your rulings. Since they try to rely on the written and intended rules, all you need to do if you disagree with them is say that you're the DM and your word is law.

This isn't like actual legal practice, where a judge who makes a stupid ruling can get appealed.

>>96157421
Nope. The book overrules the DM.

>>96157465
Enjoy getting kicked out of your group

>>96157483
Nope, the group belongs to me.

>>96157485
So you're the DM?

>>96157499
No, I'm simply more powerful than all other human beings. You cannot kick me, and even if you had perfect access to all energy that has ever existed in the universe, you still wouldn't be able to move me a single nanometer.

>>96157508
Enjoy the entire group leaving you, then

>>96157511
How are they going to leave with no legs?

>>96156644
>Why
Random flaws make for more interesting roleplaying sessions. In a more serious, everything counts kind of game? Yeah, I'm playing that shit straight. Survival is hard enough as is. Shadow of the Demon Lord? I'm playing it straight because I will more than likely get fucked in the head through the game anyway. 5e? It's already power gaming story shit right out the gate. Even then, going for a character with flaws like that is only on the table with vets who also find such stuff interesting.

>>96157573
Stealing everything isn't a flaw, you just want to be a cunt because you're desperate for attention. Don't bother replying, I won't read it.

>>96157580
>Stealing everything
Not at all what I said.

>>96157515
they're gonna emotionally leave you

>>96157645
Nope, enslaved them with neuralink.

>>96157652
do they care for you if they're just a puppet saying what Elon thinks you want to hear? Can you grow as a person if your interactions are with husks that pretend to be people?

>>96157659
I don't need to grow, I'm already perfect in all ways.

>>96156724
>Why is there a track?
There isn't. You are in one town and the next town is labeled and marked clearly on the map, and I expect you to put the rails down and then drive yourself to that location because that is the task I spent 30 minutes building 32 minutes before the session started, and you are expected to build characters that want to build those tracks and go to that town or you will find yourselves trackless and townless in the middle of the woods without a DM.

>>96157861
So there is a track, then. Why?

>>96157909
What?

>>96158226
What, are you deaf as well as stupid as ugly? READ THE FUCKING POSTS.

>>96156724
Because not every GM is an ingenious master of improv able to come up with anything at a moment's notice, and there is only so much time in the day to be able to plan stuff out in.

>>96150683 (OP)
>funnyschizo copycat on /tg/
I've seen it all.

>>96158389
If you can't do your job, stop GMing.

>>96156724
You play with different GMs to get different experiences. Same reasson you watch movies from different directors. If every GM just acomodated the players you'd end up with people playing the same characters over and over again.

>>96158601
No. Games aren't stories.

>>96158626
You play table talk role playing games to have a board game? Most ttrpgs are bad board games sustained by a narrative.

>>96158665
Role playing games. Not role playing stories.

>>96158626
go be retarded somewhere else

>>96158670
You first.

>>96158230
WHAT? What the f-wait a minute...I'm white!

Ha. Ha ha.

Concession accepted.

>>96154035
>We once had a session where each round took an actual hour because of this
put the dude on a minute length hourglass or something holy fuck that is completely unacceptable

>>96150683 (OP)
>Partyface Maincharacter decides to split the party again so he can have yet another long solo scene
>He does this every session
>Even when the party is together, he takes over every social interaction and directly tells the rest of the party to stay quiet
>Decides most of our plans and battle strategies, treats party members' suggestions with suspicion
>Goes out of his way to clarify that he is intentionally preventing other characters from getting involved because they're dumber, clumsier, less charismatic, and less homosexual than him
I must be retarded. That's the only possible explanation for why I tolerate this game.

>>96150683 (OP)
Aside from the regular ghosting, being late, going AFK, there is:
>Trying to be the strong, silent type, but that translates to never contributing anything to a scene, unless being shot at.
>Complaining about player power differences. I don't mean the edge case, when someone can do everything and someone is plain useless, I mean fucking jealousy of what other PCs can, and ignoring what they are good at.
>Completely collapsing on the spot if they meet a challenge. This monster is taking more damage and hitting stronger than I thought? This door is not open? It's over, it's all over! We are doomed!
>Not knowing how to roll your skills, use abilities, and basic rules 5 sessions in.

>>96162011
desu if you're putting up with this every session instead of telling him to stop doing that then after a certain point it's just as much on you guys

>>96150752
FPWP

A lot of bad player habits can be cured once they DM a game.

>>96165512
In my experience bad players make even worse GMs. Still showing same disegard for order or consistency but now with much grater authority.

>>96162275
I generally agree with you, but I've been in the position of having someone take over a game and it kind catch you flat footed. I was already half out of a group, but the last couple months were just about the new player taking over everything and the DM fellating him. I talked with another player months later and he had also left beause the table vibe turned into each player having a solo game and that dude taking over 50% of the session.

I think there was some time to stop it before it became an issue, but if you jump the gun then you're the asshole telling others how to play and if you wait too long the general mood of everything has changed and you have to make it a confrontation and drama. Unless you really care about the people in that group outside of game or something it's easier to dip out.

>>96150752
FPBP

I can't really think of anything at the moment, I must be blessed with good players.

>>96165512
I have to agree with the other anon's reply. The last time I let a bad player run a game, he was just an even bigger menace. I had even swapped into his character and played his character as himself, and he kept punishing me doing what his character had historically done.

>>96150683 (OP)
>tfw it's not even a funny joke

Gathered a few over the last two decades. From general to hyperspecific

> Passive players. If you're not going to be actively involved in making choices why should I bother hosting you?
> Players that are playing other games during the session. Before I stopped playing with him I had a guy who was overtly playing fucking runescape at the table.
> Main character syndrome faggotry. There's five other people at the table. Stop trying to make the game all about you.
> Players who can't remember the most basic rules. I don't need full rules knowledge, but after three years I do expect you to understand how to roll an attack.
> People who treat it like a fucking videogame, to the point they asked me which direction they could take a conversation. They said they'd been playing for over a year before I reffed for them.
> Brainrotted 5e players who disbelieve me when I say "I don't have a prepared plot. You guys can do anything you want" and still go on about 'well we should probably chase that bad guy because otherwise we won't progress the story'.
> Players who aren't paying attention to what's happening and get buttblasted because I didn't actively try involving them.
> People who join a game and then go "oh yeah I can't do [days I said the game would be on]. We should move it to [other day]".
> That waste of air that complains about other people's availability when he's responsible for 80% of the scheduling issues.
> The fucking guy that plays the same character every game.
> That fucking player that got mad I didn't invite them to a VTM game because I knew beforehand they'd play a fishmalk.
> The faggot that gets mad because he got hit twice in combat and starts accusing you of targetting him.
> That absolute sperg group that thought that BX was too hard to learn and asked me to run 5e again, getting mad when I said no


Probably could think of a few more...

>>96150683 (OP)
I'm not fond of powergamers. It's fine when a PC is powerful and contributes meaningfully to a story, but I don't like it when one player has so much system mastery that they can make a character that is incredibly strong with minimal or oftentimes NO flaws.
I do not like it when a PC has no weaknesses to exploit, I do not like it when they massively outperform most every other member in the party (oftentimes in their own niche). It feels gross to me, unsportsmanlike. I want the party to be in a position where they need to work together because no one person can do it all. I like niches.
I've had this experience in dnd 5e, dnd 3.5, PF, and PF2e. I do not run these systems anymore.

Also when players bring "builds" to the table. Overengineered reddit thread theory posting about how to make something "busted" or "broken". I hate that shit. Do not bust and break my game please. That is not fun for me.

>>96174358
I saw this list and thought it was going to be an autistic shitpost but I too have experienced everything here

Friendo I play with is basically Leeroying it up every fight. When you view it from an outside perspective it's a fun time, but look further and every player is just putting up with him and not in on the joke.

Things we had to do to save him:
>Revived during battle, only for him to die again instantly. Revived after battle.
>Begged a god for mercy. Ended up being a horrible deal.
>Built a tank that diverts attacks just to keep him alive. (because the classic tank that holds enemies down was not enough, he would rush in anyway)
>At high levels, researched a custom spell that basically says "you can undo one stupid shit decision you made."

He's still being a liability. The reason no one is taking decisive action is because the character is canonically an idiot (so is the player) and we aren't salty enough

>>96174910

I confess I've occasionally done a Leeroy Jenkins out of boredom. Like FFS I don't want to spend 30 minutes out of a 4 hour game arguing about what tactics to use on the dungeon boss. After 15 minutes, I'm going in.

>>96150752
If I put an Oprah's Book Club sticker on the wall would you read the fucking room?

>>96177069
Those agreeing with him are autistic, Anon. They literally cannot read the room.

>>96174910
We had a butt-buddy of the DM join in one time and he was like that. Was also very about starting PvP and the DM was also kinda into PvP. He started doing shit like killing helpless people right in front of my character, then tried to get in my face about it when my character yelled at his. I dealt with it in the most beautiful way that I'm not sure if it would ever work again: My character tried to fire his character from the party. Just said "Okay, we have differences. You can leave. We no longer require your services." All of the tension flew out of the room as everyone that had been taking sides and gearing up for a fight suddenly had no logical reason to escalate things and knew they'd be in the wrong if they tried to push. Guy clearly got the message when nobody tried to defend him and then he just kinda fell in line better. Started to be a good player by the end of it.

>anons falling for the most stale /a/ bait imaginable
Christ sometimes I forget this board is filled with fucking redditors

>>96150752
>>96154105
>>96156621
These posts all assume the fault is in the DM trying to force his magnum opus on players when that was never stated or implied. OP's situation applies equally importantly to the table retard fucking up an important moment between two other player characters, which I've seen more than the former.

>>96180636
back to >>>/a/, tourist.

>>96180886
You first redditnigger

>>96180503

I like it. Players who actually reform are based as hell. My guy's never done the 'chaotic stupid' spiel, and just purely lacks strategy, so we never had this talk.

>>96180676
Try playing real games instead of play acting.

>>96177138
>>96177069
You are the autistic ones trying to force a certain emotional outcome to you boring "drama"

>>96174910
I had a recent session where our wizard ran into the cave with a known monster ahead of us, died to a crit, and then quit the session halfway through

>>96176050
>Like FFS I don't want to spend 30 minutes out of a 4 hour game arguing about what tactics to use on the dungeon boss. After 15 minutes, I'm going in.
desu a lot of planning for TTRPG combats doesn't pan out anyways. You're best off having an idea of what they can pull off and then hoping the other players have the judgement to choose properly.

>asshole jockeys for a fight every time the party talks to another group
>asshole doesnt realize this makes him look like a psychopath
>continually starts fights, taunts the local lord, thinks being Fighter 6 means you own the world
>stop being sympathetic, npcs default to attacking him more and attempting to stop him
>worst part is he's the worst strategy gamer of the entire party so his turns amount to fighting the least threatening unit with simple strikes
>combat drags on and on as he fidgets with dice and remembering rules that he wont use
>still wants to be treated like a hero god
lol

>>96182963
t.can't read the room and think quips are the epitome of writing

>>96150752
>Marvel quips are good actually
Preach it xister

I swear that couples are stupid to put in games, mostly on the woman side. We were having a good campaign and the GM brought in his girlfriend. Very soon, the girlfriend was doing everything like she knows the adventure in a meta sense without waiting for everyone else. We were just trying to have fun but she keeps rushing us.

I got one
>Hasn't spent a minute looking at the rules post character creation
>Doesn't remember a single rule correctly, regarding his character
>Expects the GM to remember all his rules, talents and spells
>Tries to interpret what little he does remember so blatantly in his favour it's b̶o̶r̶d̶e̶r̶l̶i̶n̶e̶ cheating
>Prompts ChatGPT until it argues in his favour instead of taking a single look into the rules even when we literally hand him the open book and point at the paragraph
Took a bit longer to kick than usual because he and the GM used to be friends, but his increasing brain rot apparently crept into other aspects of his life by now.

>>96150683 (OP)
>New player joins table
>Explain to them that you have to roll above opponent's defense (ditto for opponent attacking player)
>Rolls to attack opponent
>Opponent then attacks them back
>"Uuuhh can I roll to dodge? No? Why not?"
This shit makes my blood boil.

>>96185732
that sucks.
Whenever I play something on the crunchy side (meaning 5e or harder) I enjoy how we have 2-3 manuals doing the rounds around the table and we're collectively trying to understand how thing work. Playing WHFRPG it's been a bit of an issue, once every couple sessions there's a complain about how the manual is structured, but slowly getting how things were designed to work is part of the fun for me. With 5e once we had settled all possible issues outside of the rare niche spell the game became much more boring for me.

>run game where players are all experienced adventurers
>tells them this as much as the campaign opens
>they do retarded shit
>inform them out loud and to their faces that they are doing something that their characters think would be retarded
>they do it anyway
>complain when things go tits up
it's so fucking annoying, they're usually the best group ever but occasionally it's like they're huffing paint

>guy in group complains whenever someone else takes a longer turn
>we start using turn timers
>he has the highest average turn time consistently
>rolled a "healer"
>refuses to heal anyone and instead tick away at people with his shitty ranged attacks
fucking faggot ass bitch

>>96153630
>>I got a condition.
>modern lingo
what the fuck are you talking about

>>96150683 (OP)
Overuse of Whedonisms in media brainwashed multiple generations into thinking tension always has to be broken with humor.

>>96186377
New players being confused by dogshit mechanics makes your blood boil?

>>96150683 (OP)
Depends on the joke. Not everyone can handle death well, maybe someone like a Bard would think to lighten the mood because they feel a loved one wouldn't want them paralyzed by grief. Maybe another person cracks jokes when under extreme anxiety as a coping mechanism. It depends on the character and it depends on the joke.

>>96184914
Nice selfie. Keep seething.

>>96186778
I have a word for this specific thing: the Poop-Pants Test (PPT).
>Dear players, if your character is about to do something, stop and ask: Does this pass the Poop-Pants Test?
>Ask "If my character or myself were to do this in real life, would it be the social or mental equivalent of pooping my own pants in public on purpose?"
>If they answer to that question is "yes," and you are not passing the PPT, then try this option instead: Reconsider.

>>96191066
I have to ask, what actions have you seen in game that would fail the PPT?

>>96150683 (OP)
Depends how it goes really. It can make the situation even more devastating if no one laughs

>>96192577
>Spending an ungodly amount of time specifically mentioning that you take out all your torches, unlit, and line them up in the start of a circle nowhere near anything relevant or with any clear intention to actually light them up.
>Casting their one level 1 spell on another party member for just being a little *too* weird. With the extra twist of literally none of the other party members stop this or wake up that character.
>Running into a group of fire-spewing beetles and then intentionally ignoring every single sign of aggression to walk up and pet one.
All happened within 30 minutes of each other. Maybe I'm treating these instances as a little harshly for examples, but they stuck out in my mind, especially because we spent another 50 minutes doing character creation with one guy trying to really aggressively argue over me on a ruleset that he had literally never interacted with before AND was caught trying to cheat a few times.

>>96162011
Have you considered fragging him in character?
Also:
>Goes out of his way to clarify that he is intentionally preventing other characters from getting involved because they're dumber, clumsier, less charismatic, and less homosexual than him
Well.
Are you?

>>96153133
>There are no thoughts in your head
>You just think
A woman wrote this.

>>96151188
If your plot can broken by "I call the guards", then you need to work on it some more.

>>96199739
I don't think it's even that much work to just sit the players down during campaign planning and say
>you are the guards/police/authorities

>>96199804
"I call for backup".

>>96152212
>playing with women
>they assume their turn is the only time to think about what they want to do on their turn

>>96199924
"this is backup, we'll be there in 20 minutes, try to keep it under control until then"

>>96200274
This is fine. But if, say, there is a big threat to the city, and the party is not allowed to appeal to the authorities or to the parties concerned, that's just stupid. This needs to be accounted for properly.

>>96200414
I figured the complaint was aimed more at crap like
>"an orc with a gun barges through the door and yells 'THIS IS A STICKUP!', what do?"
>"I run out the back door and call the police!"
than anything that actually puts the world at stake

>>96152979
depends if the lawyer is purposefully belligerent or just autistic

>>96199924
Time to dig up my thoroughly optimized GMPC, I normally wouldn't but since you've asked... he's the backup.

>>96153345
I can tell how much of a redditor you are by how much better you think you are than everyone else here. Even between threads your tone is easy to distinguish, very sad, sir

>>96199925
If you played tabletop games and not just act stupid in /tg/ you would know a lot men will do that too.

>>96193353
I came to post exactly this picture. So because it is here already OP just gets this instead
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>>96199925
I really wish this was a woman-only problem. I also wish that indecisive people with ADHD would stop playing classes with tons of abilities (like casters)

>>96201301
>Even between threads
Yes I am in your walls. Boo!

>>96191066
I don't get it. What if they don't want to take a poo at the moment?

>>96150683 (OP)
Players who bully NPCs.

Not necessarily every time - I've had players legit snap and string an especially loathsome NPC up by his entrails - but more the socially inept creeps who do it seemingly just as a power trip and to look cool and edgy.

They're almost invariably socially inept even among other gamers and tend to laugh spidery at the NPCs and brag about how they 'totes tortured this guy' and so on, in excruciating detail. Pun intended. It's a very specific kind of insecure braggart but it's one I've seen a few times now.

Also as a GM that one LARP bard who brought an acoustic guitar on combat missions. Now those plinking death-of-the-houseparty instruments are dull at the best of times, but standing up and saying "I think your adventures are so easy I can get away with going not only unarmed but encumbered" is a surefire way to get me to try and end your character.

>>96150683 (OP)
>Session ends with party sleeping for the night
>Perfect, let's do all the character sheet upkeep between sessions
>Players decide to not look at their character sheet until 2 minutes before our next session begins, wasting the already limited time we have for sessions
I get it we all have lives outside our games but all players definitely had a ten minute period of free time at some point in the two weeks since our last session.

>>96153065
Call her sexist for thinking women are excused from the consequences of evil actions.

>>96150683 (OP)
They learned it from modern films and TV shows, so don't judge them too harshly.

>>96153801
I had a joke character. They were an orc who belived they were a wizard, druid, cleric, bard, etc. Basically the greatest spell caster in existence. He was in fact a barbarian with a pointy hat who used tools, props, and acting to "simulate" spells. Magic missile? He threw a javelin. Cure wounds? Medicine check. Wild shape? He pretended to be an animal. People loved him because his antics were always to help the party succeed.

>>96204333
Most playoids are normies doing it for the socialization, you could replace ttrpgs with watching Friends and they would be just as happy

>Tell players the game starts at 1 PM and they should have lunch before coming over
>Half of them ignore this and still show up ravenous
>Want to raid my kitchen rather than bring their own snacks
>Also, damn, I'm fat but even I can go 4 hours without stuffing my face.

Bonus hatred if they summon slop with one of those demonic delivery apps where you play 20 bucks for cold McDonalds. The driver is always some braindead FOB guy who can't figure out where to deliver it or the playoid forgets to change the delivery address from his house or office so he has to re-order and waste even more time.

>>96203296
>doubling down

>>96152917
>tfw trying to play this arc
>select party members keep veering off into chaotic evil BS
He was fine with putting up with, if occasionally shittalking, the annoying fatalist but I really hope our gunslinger's recent foray into cannibalism never actually comes up in game or else I'm sure it'll be a complete shitshow.

>>96152212
>>96152472
>derp durr.

>>96153801
Idk about playing them because my characters are mostly only inadvertently jokes. But some people can read the room and play them very well, I mostly play at cons these days so there you meet all types

>>96204272
Then you won't be hungry because you already ate breakfast and lunch.

>>96150683 (OP)

Sad Followers
> "I dont know" "i follow the group" "i do the same". They dont interact, they dont talk, they dont think, they dont play. They are like npcs without dialogues and only do something if you tell them what to do or if you play for them (and not because they are shy, or dumb, or dont know how to play)

The Groupal Min-Maxer
> "Hey X, take this feat, and this spells, and let me change this stat for this one, and change your race to elf because it has a bonus in shoting fireballs from your ass, and we can combine your build with mine and one shot enemies 6 levels above ours". You want to be a pathetic Min-maxer? Ok, be one, but dont try to control what and how other players want to play to fulfill your no-life power-level fantasies

>>96210274
I've seen a few Group Min-maxer do some good. The ones that help new players get their concept up off the ground or help someone struggling, but when you get the ones like you mention it gets really bad. Especially the ones that group minmax others to support their super cool murder build.

>>96213602
generally with munchkins you either get a knowledge repository who's actually good to have at the table because he helps everyone else get their character ideas off the ground and functioning (I had one of these as my GM for the best ttrpg campaign I've ever played), or you get a railroading fuckhead who gets annoyingly insistent about building your character "correctly" and must never be allowed to GM or he will murder everyone's characters for the players failing to read his mind and copy his degenerate play patterns.

>>96161330
Been some days, but some extra context for this:
>this session in particular was an invasion, it had a lot of NPCs, so rounds were going to be longer than average
>identical enemies had their turns combined to speed up the process, though it would still take quite a while
>like maybe 10 or so minutes per round, depending
>it gets to their turn
>spend a few minutes trying to get their attention
>they spend a few minutes observing the field because they didn't pay attention to anything that happened
>rereads their entire character sheet to remember what they're able to do
>asks the GM if they can do a thing that their character is incapable of doing (or something that another player already tried to do but proved to be impossible)
>spends a few more minutes deciding on what to do
>realizes they took damage, spends some minutes calculating how much damage they took
>goes back to deciding what to do
>"I'll punch this guy twice"
>end turn, 30 minutes
>whoever's next basically gets snapped out of a stupor and needs to remember what the fuck they were gonna do
>repeat this over the course of 4 hours
That session ended with a GM fiat from what I recall.

>>96151188
>The contrarian(if it's a low-magic world they want to be the last sorceror or whatever)
We kinda had this as our GM at one point. if he ever explicitly mentioned something gone or dead or extinct(elves, dwarves, dragons, magic in general), odds are that's exactly what we'll be running into non-stop once the game actually starts with some half-assed handwave of "well they came back" oftentimes as our enemies.

>Last game he tried to run for us, we're used to this by now
>Explicitly tells us no magic campaign, magic is gone, wizards haven't been spotted in over a thousand years
>We know what this means
>Show up to the game, all of our characters are kitted out to skullfuck magic-users(we didn't coordinate this, we just all ended up being on the same page).
>Session 1 we completely unexpectedly get attacked by wizards, kick the shit out of them because we were ready for the
>DM gets pissed and walks out because we were supposed to lose the fight so he could do some event to set them up as bad guys.
>Refuses to ever run for us again.

>>96216415
Pathetic DM cant even make the "last wizards" OP to keep his railroading hahaha.

>>96199739
I'm of two minds on this.
On one hand, there's the idea that the players are willfully disengaging from the challenges of the game, like Call of Cthulhu players abandoning the investigation to drive to Florida and fuck hookers.
Shrugging off the trouble and pawning it off on the local guards can be cheap.

And yet, sometimes it's fucking genius and a perfectly viable chess move, I which case I fully would expect the GM to roll with it.

>>96150683 (OP)
>>a devastating scene just happens
This isn't how you run games, btw.

>>96217550
>last wizards
Nah, knowing him we were going to be up to our ears in wizards. During the "no one's seen an elf over over 10,000 years" suddenly had 90% of the NPCs we interact with and meet all be elves by session 2, and not much longer than that we found out there were entire elf cities and villages that no one about because reasons or rather, he didn't think about how no one knew they were there because he seemed legitimately surprised when someone asked and NPC how they hid entire cities).

Things I hate about players from another player's seat?
How non-commital they are, refusing to actually talk about their plans or even think ahead, not willing to take the fucking wheel for once.
I can expect that sort of behaviour from dementia boomers, but from people in their 20s? The fuck?

>>96216415

I was once in a campaign where everyone thought undead either never existed or used to exist but don't anymore like dinosaurs. And the campaign revolved around them reappearing across the land. It was kinda fun, especially since the DM didn't tip his hand too early.

>DM gets pissed and walks out because we were supposed to lose the fight so he could do some event to set them up as bad guys.

I'm a railroader but I never plan things around the PCs being defeated/surrendering. I've always found players get super lucky in the hardest battles. If they get their asses kicked it's usually during some filler encounter I stuck in at the last minute to make the dungeon or whatever longer.

>>96151188
>>The contrarian(if it's a low-magic world they want to be the last sorceror or whatever)
this can be annoying if they insist it should make them the main character but otherwise I have no idea why you WOULDN'T expect something like this, it's extremely common for stories in fantasy and scifi worlds to feature protagonists who stand out in some way that generates conflict. It's not any different from choosing to be an Arcane magic user in Dark Sun despite it being hated and forbidden because that's how the Dragon Overlords are draining the Sun's power, which even back in AD&F people recognized was something that people would want to play and lean into the experience it would give at the table.
You could be a half-orc even in Greyhawk, and that was pre-Warcraft and Elder Scrolls when orcs were actually considered monstrous and not just green gigachads with tusks, the equivalent nowadays would be playing a half-troll or half-ogre.

If something is completely off the table just ban it as DM, don't be a pussy and whine about how somebody wants to be a magic user in a world where magic is rare or dangerous and poorly understood, no shit that sounds fun and like half of every fantasy story

>>96150683 (OP)
>Serious story
>As a group
If you want to develop a serious story either go play solo or just write it out.

>>96152917
Every time I try to make a gruff "lone wolf" type I end up having to basically abandon the concept two sessions in because I'm stuck being the Party Dad and tard wrangling the party and playing the straight man/responsible adult instead of getting to brood or be edgy. Playing an older character probably backfired since instead of edgy and brooding he was perceived as "mature" (also the only character who owned property instead of being a homeless vagrant at the start of the campaign, and the only character who had been married, so he went from being treated like a lone wolf to silver fox in like half a session in the eyes of other party members, especially since they were cheapskates who insisted on crashing in his living room instead of paying for a fucking inn when we were in the city he lived in)
I got like one session of being genuinely spooky and mysterious before being stuck co-parenting the party as party dad with the dwarf

>>96152212
>play campaign about defending a city-state from besieging oni and evil corruption infecting the land as a 10,000 year old oni emperor is struggling against his seal and we need to try and fix it or get strong enough to kill him when he breaks free
>a player introduces an IRL friend of his who's a woman
>she immediately decides it's a good idea to make a tiefling (after first wanting to be a Drow but later deciding against it because of the mechanical penalties) and whines about how we're persecuting these man-eating monsters and we're not giving them a fair shot even though we're fighting an entire enemy army under command of a millenia old monster who wants to eat people and they aren't even humanoids
women

Sometimes humor does crop up in sad situations. I was helping my sister load up her dog for his last trip to the vet. And her other dog was whining thinking he was missing out on a car ride. My sister just blurted out "he wants to die too!" and we both chuckled.

Also, players play RPGs to get that sense of freedom you don't when you watch/read media. You don't have to trust that sketchy person who shows up out of the blue. You can keep hitting the homicidal maniac to make sure he's actually dead and not just stunned. You could describe a heart-wrenching elven dirge and like clockwork a player will immediately pipe up that his character doesn't care.

>>96220297

Kinda amazing how those maternal instincts get turned to dark ends if they don't have children to care for.

Conversely I feel like all the successful Chud societies figured out how to activate and weaponize that cruel side of women you see when they're torturing their Sims or yelling at some guy who works 70 hours a week about how he doesn't help around the house enough. EG Sparta encouraging tomboyism or Iran appointing older women as morality police to enforce Islamic rules on younger women.

>>96220385
>weaponize that cruel side of women you see when they're torturing their Sims or yelling at some guy who works 70 hours a week about how he doesn't help around the house enough.
My mother is one of the biggest bleeding hearts in the world and will literally stop her car to give water to homeless veterans on hot days and whose hobbies are like a twelve year old's idea of what a grown-up is with her favorite things unironically being knitting and flower gardening and yet she's the harshest critic I've ever seen of how women do their hair/makeup/dress and looks at us like we're cavemen for not understanding what's appalling about it. If a guy wears the same suit three days in a row she won't even bat an eye though and at most will comment if somebody's got a dumb looking tie.
Women are absolutely each other's worst enemies, I always roll my eyes at the idea it's men gatekeeping fashion or that women feel like they "have" to dress a certain way. Most dudes don't change clothes in their wardrobe until they no longer fit or they get worn out enough a woman in their life demands they throw it out.

>>96220240
In my experience, this isn't true. For example the VTM campaign I'm in right now is very serious. If you can't find a serious campaign or don't want to play one, that's fine, but we don't have to pretend they don't exist just because you don't like them or can't play them.

>>96162011
Make an NPC that excludes his character specifically; they'll only talk to women, or familiars, or fellow mages, whatever. Make a quest that would benefit him greatly, but its part of one of the other characters origin/backstory, so he can't sit in the driver's seat all the time.

>>96220023
Some DMs are way too obsessed with video game tropes at times.
>Have one DM who pulls out a super powerful level 30 demon we aren't supposed to beat
>Except it's stats and damage are pathetic and scaled for us because "oh it's just toying with you"
>when we "kill" it, it instead drops our HP to 1, then mocks us, then walks out of the room
>We aren't allowed to react or do anything while it's talking and leaving(any attempt to do so is ignored or he just tells us "No you don't do that"), presumably because this is a post-battle cutscene where we're supposed to be beaten and ragged
>Except he only hit us once, did like 3 damage, and we spent the entire fight clowning on it until the "HP to 1" attack
He's a good GM honestly but holy fuck he just never understands this is not a fucking video game.

>>96150683 (OP)
For me, it's excessive powergaming.
I know it is pretty much expected, but if it is excessive it just drains the fun if the whole table isn't doing it. You either get:
>one powergamer carrying the whole group all the time, does everything by himself
>a perpetual competition of power between the DM and players, shit gets DBZ real fast
>one person who is playing for fun feeling left behind when everyone else is powergaming.

>>96220189
While I understand >>96151188 's point, I gotta agree with you in the sense that people often wants their characters to feel special, it's a normal thing in fiction (the boy who survived, the brave hobbit, the last dragon, etc).

It's just a good idea to curb it a little and not go full ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONUT STEEL. Also, if the DM pre-stabilished that there are none of that thing, then the players must know that it is off the table.

>>96223082
I don’t know your DM, but I think he is at a certain phase of his DM skills. He knows what sort of game he wants, but doesn’t know how to make it happen without being ham fisted about it.

>>96150683 (OP)
I always annihilate any sense of drama or tension with awful puns, bit, or attention diversion. Always.

>>96153071

>"degrees to being a Rules Lawyer
>players who love reminding everyone else about RAW

To niggle somewhat, guys who remind others of RAW strictly speaking aren't Rules Lawyers. They just know the RAW and can tell you how it all works.

Rules Lawyers are those who, at the expense of the group (including the GM), argue for how a situation ought to play out, especially when it's in their favor. They found a "magic loophole" they can use to absolutely wipe the board and succeed at everything.

Thus, the guys who know the rules and Rules Lawyers are two different entities.

>>96150683 (OP)
You didn't make the scene heavy enough if they're able to joke about it.

>>96174820

I feel this post very much. It's why I was driven to make my own games. That being said, I am making my own personal version of D&D (3.X) specifically to ensure all the classes have a level of being able to go hog wild on powergaming while I go hogwild on my own bullshit.

What I'm saying is, is that it's not so bad if you put everyone on the same page and just say, "Here, guys. Let's make the craziest shit, and play them out against my crazy shit!" I'm more fond of giving limitations of creativity, and I like to say, "You are a four-class Gestalt, and there is no way to multiclass beyond that. Prestige Class features will be feats you can take up so long as you qualify for it. These races and monster races are allowed, but you need to spend feats and such to get all the ability bonuses and racial traits the race has to offer. [...]"

>>96204272

They do want to take a poo, but they won't do it in the loo.

>>96214274

The guy who is being helpful as a knowledge repository isn't a Munchkin. A Munchkin has the attitude of treating a cooperative game as a competitive game that you "win" by outdoing everyone else.

>>96224835

I just fart really wetly and loudly

>>96174358
>> People who join a game and then go "oh yeah I can't do [days I said the game would be on]. We should move it to [other day]".
>> That waste of air that complains about other people's availability when he's responsible for 80% of the scheduling issues.
>> The fucking guy that plays the same character every game.
Worst part, these three could be the same player. It almost always is

>>96226884
The best part is the guy going missing mid-session on online games without saying anything so the group is left wondering if they just went to the bathroom without saying anything for the next 5 minutes and wait it out only for them to not come back until 4 hours later.

>>96226905
I had a dude legitimately go, "Aight, I'm going to bed" mid session
Obviously I kicked him out next week

>>96226913
I had a GM on the other hand that wouldn't kick the flakey guy or anything, and if anything kicked me out instead because they'd rather have passive players that plays like children so he could railroad shit without complain.

Then again the guy was one of those insecure muh anxiety types anyway.

>>96226931
Im anxious, ADHD and insecure too, but I don't use em to act like a fag.