Thread 96151919

Silver Tower Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96143083

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>Thread Question
Why was Tzeentch so ineffective at fighting KO?

>>96151919 (OP)
Chaos always loses to Order

>>96151919 (OP)
Because for all of the birds Tzeentch has, not many of them can actually fly.
Does anyone have the pdf for Aether war btw?

>>96151919 (OP)
lmao thanks for actually making the edit

>>96151990
>Because for all of the birds Tzeentch has, not many of them can actually fly.
Nothing a plate with teeth can't fix

>>96151919 (OP)
TQ
>no worth while hammers. Tzaangors come closest, but require buffs to be adequate
>Strongest spells can be simply nullified if KO player chooses

>>96151987
morathi, her followers and her spawn are chaos tainted puppets
she's a chaos mutant twisted by slaanesh in one its main shapes
all her actions knowingly free slaanesh more and more
she's suppresses the rise of khaine and other elven gods
and her cult has been parasitizing the actual cities of order

so thoughts on the army?

the aesthetic has already been discussed to death, what do you think about their roster? will this actually be a fun army to play? what do you think their gimmick or niche will be?

>>96152135
Have all the rumored kits been accounted for? Or is there a chance more might be announced in the weeks leading up to release?
I recall Votann did that.

>>96152135
I feel like they're missing a 2nd character. Some small named foot hero like the ghoul in a wig, light ghost elf, blacksmith orc, squid guy etc.

>>96152138
Rumour said 12 kits if i remember correctly, this is just 10

>>96152146
yeah, possibly terrain and spells?, though it would be great if they still had a few other units up their sleeves i feel like that would have been part of the reveal

>>96152150
I wonder if they're do an incarnate instead of a normal spell kit again

>>96152141
it really feels like its missing a character for the bull centaurs more than anything. its got a decent amount of foot heroes or foot heroes on mounts, but no centaur heroes at all, and they are missing that sort of mid level cavalier marshal level cavalry character

>>96152135
I think it’s really ugly and going by the rest of the rules for releases this edition it will be boring and lame. And it’ll only be boring and lame on a 3+ otherwise it will be nothing.

>>96152135
All their weapons have the demon balls, except the foot swords who carry a demon vial on their belts. I assume they'll have some rule to activate or empower them like finest hour or the kruleboy trick.
Cohort look like 10s, hobgrots 20s. That's nice, I don't like overpriced 5 man elites.
Looks like your usual stormcast style elite combined arms, Dominators will be like 200-220 points, 3 super heavy for 200, Cohort like 180 for 10. 140-150 for 5 shooters, 130 or so for the cannon, 420 point monster.

>>96152159
Just fuck off, quit already you don't like it. Tired of your fucking non stop shit posting faggot.

>>96152135
The khorne book looks fun so who knows if this was designed around the same philosophy/period as that book or if its basically an index hammer army. I expect the army to rely heavily on the bulltaurs, because even if shooting wasnt so tricky this edition, 5" movment dwarves with close range shooting is gonna be hard to capitalize on. Also monsters have fucking SUCKED so I'd be surprised if the bull does anything, who knows though. Im expecting a formation to make the arty good and because of that I'm probably buying the army box three times over.

>>96152172
i wonder if they're going to be 1 wound base like the disposessed and arkanauts, or 2 wound base like the rest of KO and fyreslayers

>>96152178
>this edition
I mean season.

>>96152179
I think 2 wounds, with 1 wound Hobgrots

>>96152175
Go to Reddit if you want corporate controlled hug boxes. You’re allowed to post negative opinions here you massive niggerfaggot.

>>96152179
1w is unusual for 32mm, only a couple units are still and they're a mistake.

>>96152197
go email you dumbass whining to community support lardo, no one here made the game or has any say in it you retarded slug.

>>96152202
>ask opinion
>give opinion
Why are you crashing out you massive faggot? Like I said, it seems like Reddit is more your speed

Please James whatever kit you bequeath upon my faction please make sure its loaded with enough tzeenchian bits that its almost comical.

>>96152135
They need a better color scheme, red flames for starters and the hatplates not painted in contrasting gold (look just how much better the artillerist hat looks compared to the normal infantry's)

They need a bigger artillery piece, the one kit so far is a start, but it's absolutely not enough given the bar set by of the old hellcannon and the dreadquake mortar, if they make a second artillery piece that's twice the size of the current one and with the dual option to build a big fat mortar or a big fat ballistic missile it would enhance both the range as a whole and the smaller current artillery pieces

They need a bull centaur hero, the centaurs are cool but quite pale in comparison to the heights of shartor and it would be cool to have a way to run an army centered on them

They need a hero with blunderbuss, the unit is unfortunately the weakest of the army's designs and a hero can serve to enhance their look with the cheerleader effect

They need spells and scenery, which always help the silhouettes and themes of an army and can easily provide some big piece, low hanging fruits are a lammasu-like apparition, swarms of raw demonstuff (to display flames that look more like demons), and prison bars emerging from fissures in the ground to entrap units so their theme of being enslavers is enhanced. as for the scenery 3 obvious elements would be a demonic furnace, an altar to hashut, a ziggurat and a train, fuse all these together so you have a ziggurat shaped furnace mounted on wheels with a statue and sacrificial altar of hahsut at the top and you have the perfect thing

They need to have access to the horns of hashut warband, so the hobgrots aren't the only slave unit, their theme of enslaving and taming the realms should also be explored better, a slave giant and chained beastmen would be brilliant


As of now, the range is too flawed in its infantry models to be anything other than a 6/10

>>96152210
Why don’t you kill your self you chud racist MAGATard hater

>>96152205
he asked for an opinion not diarrhea.

>>96152215
>>96152216
the fuck is wrong with you?

>>96152224
People are just tired of constant shitposting

>>96152155
They might get one in the campaign at the end of the edition, it would make sense to center a book around the newly arrived faction.

>>96152224
HoH derangement syndrome. If things don’t calm down soon they’ll start ranting about the Polish plot to destroy /tg/

>his new strategy is retarded falseflag
You know it's faster to ignore you than for you to write your shit?
Even this 1 post will cost me less

>>96152229
Arent we stuck in ghyran with the current season? I know that one white fang post talked about a couple of 1e/2e cities potentially getting destroyed but I cant remember which, but I know the smiths are located in ghur and uh...aqshy?

>>96152135
Very mid. Maybe I built them up expecting more and looking at their older designs but they are really uninspired imo. I am glad some people like them but to me they look like generic Chinese mobile game designs.

>>96152175
>hey what are your thoughts on [thing]?
>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT

>>96152242
one of the city being marked for destruction seem to be tempest eye in aqshy

>>96152257
Oh okay well yeah I guess thats what the end of edition campaign will be about. Starts in aqshy, ends in aqshy.

Jay from EonsofBattle doesn’t like the HoH. Who knew who was a towpilled grognard looking to destroy AoS ( and probably Polish too )

>>96152242
The new Spearhead season is all about Shyish; but the new Underworlds stuff is moving from Aqshy to Ghyran. As for cities, apparently Tempest's Eye is one of the big casualties expected. (AKA the elf city outside of Misthavn. I would also think that Misthavn is either destroyed or overtly taken over by the Daughters of Khaine.)

Helsmiths also show up in every realm (even the Eightpoint) but their main places are Aqshy, Chamon, and Ghur.

>>96152135
Making the only big centerpiece a hero model will make the range suffer for a while.
They should have switched the sizes of the bull robot and the cannon and avoided making a second hobgrots unit for something more iconic and fundamental.

>>96152135
Another one to add to the "factions with almost no warscrolls" list.
Which means either your list will either be one warscroll copy/pasted as many times as you can, or just be whatever you can grab without leaving much for customization

>>96152119
T. Seething Chaoscuck

>>96152271
no, that's you, I don't associate with filthy chaos factions.

>>96152135
I like em. I'm a grognard and had the original 90s ones.
The colours do them absolutely no favours.
Would like to have seen more war machines, so hopefully wave 2.

>>96152135
Worse than the state of lumineth and ossiarchs at their launch, despite the number of kits.

>>96152265
I thought Misthavn was a different was on different plane, and Tempest's Eye was the KO cloud-city.

>>96152297
misthavn is the capital of the human settlements in ulgu
tempest eye's gimmick was having lots of gyrocopters and skycutters

neither is meant to be "the elf city"

>>96152265
>>96152297
Tempest eye is in Aqshy and is Tempest Lord (SCE) turf (you can tell by the name) and it has some connection to KO + it used to house some scout Helf models.
Misthaven is in Ulgu.

>>96152263
>my hecking tuber told me it's bad
Why don't you make your own mind up on what you think of them

>>96151987
Man, this reminds me of all the fun kitbashing and conversions that were lost when GW removed allies.

>>96152277
Morathi is the Order MVP for fighting Chaos

>>96152332
GW should promote more lewd elves

>>96152340
chaos has always been the main antagonist of chaos

morathi isn't order, she's a tainted mutant

>>96152135
Lmao
imagine paying for this slop
Prob the worst range I've ever seen from GW

>>96152175
go back

>>96152210
I agree with everything except the beastmen thing, since those guys are extinct and they're NEVER coming back.

>>96152225
>people
you mean you?

Had any of you removed some/all ornamentation from Deathrattle skeletons' shields to make them less ornate? If yes, post pics please.

>>96152341
It's current year anon, attractive fictional women are the devil.
But it's more the loss of application of imagination.

>>96152344
Sounds like chaoping to me.

>>96152351
No, the Slayers and Kharadrons are worse.
At least the heroes, melee infantry, hobgoblins, and bu centaurs look great.

Does anyone know which other faction will receive an update in this 4th edition?

>>96152361
>At least [describes the entire range] look great.
Not being very subtle, James.

>>96152354
They're not extinct, they're cowering in the corners of the realms licking their wounds and being grabbed by the other powers of chaos for their marked legions.

Since the HoH are stomping over ghur and taming the realm by force they would surely encounter the beastmen, and since the beasts have bovine features (or bovine-affine) but are unrelated to hashut, and are the wildest inhabitants of the realm, it stands to reason that the chaos dwarfs would consider them both an insult to the sacred features of their god and a challenge to break them, using them as slaves and beasts of burden, with cut horns and hot-branded hides.

It's an imagery that I think vastly beats the classic association with greenskins.

>>96152367
>the ranged infantry is bad
>the monsters are bad
>the bale taurus is absolutely rancid and looks like a low poly videogame asset
The rest of the range does look pretty good. Although I'm not sure how only having 9 dwarfs and 1 gonggoblin is gonna work for larger units.

>>96152366
Rumour has it that nurgle has some big stuff coming, but Pestigor is like the only rumoured kit.
CoS probably gets the fort and that's possible dispossessed reflavoured, which would fit in the subtle dwarf subtheam we have goin this edition.
No other clues

>>96152366
all factions except fyreslayers will get at least a book and one hero model.
nurgle and cities of sigmar seem to be getting more than that minimum (with at least pestigors and the cogfort).
ogres are either getting an update of their infantry units or are getting removed at the end of the edition.
malerion's boys should start to come out.

>>96152371
You're right, but the beastmen will never be their own faction, never ever.

>>96152382
>some big stuff coming
that misunderstanding is going to cause a lot of disappointment:

a guy was speculating that nurgle might be getting one hero, one unit and one set of spells, saying that just that should be a decent release
the rumormonger corrected him saying it's not decent but magnificent

then everyone ran with the assumption he meant that they're getting way more than that instead of considering he's calling hero+unit+spell magnificent

>>96152366
>>96152382
>>96152389
Aside from the nurgle (incl pestigors) and CoS rumours we also might get eshin, and a Khul ascended was mentioned but "later than we would like". Could be end of edition, or somewhere in fifth we don't know.
A few threads ago somebody also mentioned something for seraphon but I don't remember what it was or how credible that rumour was. Haven't really seen any other place talking about lizards.

>>96152398
I think gw will reinvent the faction around morghur and chaos spawns eventually, like 5 or 6 years away, but yeah, classic beastmen are dead

>>96152389
When you say eliminated it means they traveled back in time to The Old World together with the beastmen and the wild orcs.

>go out of there way on stream that Chaos Dwarfs do not use hammers as they see it as profane symbol assosiated with Grunji
>only the priests use hammers as a form or desecration
Well that looks like a fucking hammer to me

>>96152415
pic didn't upload

>>96152413
He didnt even mention anything of that.

>>96152404
What are you saying? They're not dead, they just changed universes and are now in The Old World.

>>96152417
Its a uh. A mace.

>>96152415
>incompetant stream guys make shit up for no reason
VAMPIRE. OGOR.

>>96152422
Went back home. And the Pretyon is still missing.

>>96152344
How can one man be so wrong?

>>96152359
Trump won, we're allowed to have sexy again

>>96152422
They're still in aos. They're just the designated npc characters like they always are/were.

>>96152415
Guys on stream are bumbling retards that don't really know what they're talking about >>96152426.
However I guess maybe some of the chorf big shots are allowed to use dessecrated hammers as like a fuck you to the other ancestor gods or something ? Shoul've just given them axes man.

>>96152441
You'll take shitty short swords unable to thrust and you'll like it

Speaking of retarded weapon designs did the CAD designer for this try to make those most random impractical weapon shape possible

>>96152402
The talk on seraphon was about the saurus warriors kit getting reboxed with the name saurus guard instead.
That means at the very least that the old saurus guards kit is leaving their range.
It also means that gw is planning to reintroduce the old lizardmen models to the old world (there's no reason to rename the saurus warriors if not to avoid confusion with another product called "saurus warriors").
Does it mean that the concept of a more elite saurus unit for aos is gone forever?
Does it mean that the kits that are just as old or older (skinks, stegadon) are getting updated so they can be removed from aos to be handed to tow?

It is likely that seraphon are getting a set of spells, since everyone who didn't have them seems to be getting theirs this edition.
And it is very possible that skinks are getting updated, they are the oldest fantasy kit left in aos after the skaven night runners (and before dryads and the ogre infantries), and weirdly enough they were described as wielding bows last time they appeared in a story, which is an equipment option the current kit doesn't have.
But regarding the stegadon and guards I wouldn't hold my breath, the old world can make do with the older metal version of the stegadon just as well as aos can simply lose a plastic kit out of the blue like it happened with the chaos shrine, and gw might simply tell people to run only warriors instead of guards and bastis instead of stegas from now on and be done with that.

>>96152429
>payment processors keep fucking things over
>he also wants me dead
All I'll say is I'm glad I own physical media.

>>96152413
there are no savage orcs models in the old world range.

>>96152478
Soon anon.
Soon.

>>96152470
I think the talk on the guard kit just ended up concluding that it was a misprint or a regional fuck up, it was in some asian country iirc or whatever that had the muck up.

>>96152468
It's just typical special snowflake syndrome. They need to do something NEW no matter how much worse it makes something.

>>96152468
It looks like it can swing like any other axe or halberd, the impractical part of the weapon is the material engineering, since you would never craft a blade that big, but the xbox demoncore watermelon power source probably handwaves that issue.

>>96152487
Why would an asian country get a different english name, if they're getting a localised reboxing?

>>96152415
>>96152417
It's possible the unit champion also got the license for a hammer by sacrificing another dwarf.

>>96152504
Fuck if I know. It'd be nice to see the original source of the box tho, maybe it'd jog my memory.

>>96152468
hardly.

>>96152504
>if they're getting a localised reboxing
Are they? GW doesn't translate to every language that has a market. Maybe it's a fuck up from one of those weirder Asian places

>>96152498
>since you would never craft a blade that big
you wouldn't since you're runtygit.

>>96152513
This is the original post
https://www.reddit.com/r/seraphon/comments/1lzi7e9/new_saurus_guard_look_strangely_familiar/
This is the follow up post
https://www.reddit.com/r/seraphon/comments/1m0e6lf/update_saurus_guard_box/

The box's format is slightly different beyond the name change, but the instructions inside still say "saurus warriors".
It is possible that the new name is not an error and that for the time being they're still using the excess instructions booklet, changing them the next batch of booklets they have to print, just as it's possible that the new name is an error from the boxart department and will be corrected soon.

The new spearhead still calls them warriors on the back of the box.

By chance, does anyone have the 3rd edition Flesh-Eater Court PDF?

>>96152135
Seems like it's gonna be a slow heavy castle counter-punch army.
I'm a bit scared that there won't be much variety in how it plays, even though the roster is very nice and varied. It's like it has given you the tools to get a similar result in several different ways.
Hopefully you can do things like take a bunch of Centaurs, or have some way to deep strike a unit.
Absolutely love the release though. It's my favorite AoS release bar none.
>>96152146
Huh, you're right! That does fit terrain and spells as others have said, but there's no way they didn't show that off in the reveal if it existed.
Two kits kind of align with what the 32 cards could be, because without it you have to start guessing that they'll have two AoR's etc.

>>96152557
>thailand
Yeah I remembered it being an Asian country.
>it’s possible that
It’s possible that the sky could fall. This stuff happens sometimes I wouldn’t bother propping it up. I don’t remember what but I recall the naming convention getting mixed up on one of the primaris boxes a couple years back, can’t tell you what exactly but I know it was during the necron edition.

>>96152567
I expect a gun soam build and centaur soam build.
Hobgrots and big mech will be unplayable.

>>96152575
>I wouldn’t bother propping it up.
I would.

>>96152591
Then you're really bored.

>>96152562
https://files.catbox.moe/0dlwbj.pdf

>>96151919 (OP)
>2/3s of them liked or loved the release
nope, the 4 options of the poll were
>I like
>I like some, I dislike some
>I need to see them painted differently
>I dislike
the ones who liked the range are only barely ahead of the ones who disliked the range
practically noone has voted for the color thing, since one can already edit them to see how they would look
and the vast majority voted for the middle option because it's of course baffling that a fan of chaos dwarfs wouldn't like at least one of the new models (even just the bull robot)

>>96152589
>big mech will be unplayable.
nah you'll bring 3.

>>96152617
>>96145669

Finally, Warpblaster + Clawlord get
Former will require a lot of sub assemblies since those rats are practically glued to the damn thing, but damn if these aren't cool

>>96152468
The top part reminds me of an Ikakalaka, which isn't a necessarily practical weapon but it sure looks unique at least
Sticking it at the end of a long stick is pretty weird, but I can see it being used to bonk people over their head (or make pizza in all those ovens the chorfs have laying around)

More skulls and shit

>>96152639
Thats a mount, for sure.

>>96152639
"Could be literally anything" is the lamest genre of the rumor image

>>96152135

not enough daemon engines or artillery, hopefully thats what the extra kits are.

I quite like them and i think other peoples paintjobs will only make them look even better. the weird burgundy + green scheme is fucking SHITE

>>96152617
>the ones who liked the range are only barely ahead
>62% positive vs 38% "more negative than positive" with only 14% truly negative
You didn't even get the poll options right.
>Love all of it
>More hits than misses
>Dislike more than I like
>Don't want any of it
The 24% that dislike more than they like still profess to wanting "just the centaurs and hobgrots", so there are still customers amongst those.
And the people that don't want any stuff are amongst those who have full armies already(for whfb and ToW), often with no interest in AoS.
You know what, just go back and read the old thread.

>>96152639
I think we are at one of the lowerst points of rumor engines since the last reveal
barely ten of them and most of them don't even reveal the faction they belong to

>>96152666
Do we have the updated list?

>>96152662
>You didn't even get the poll options right.
I did, because I reported the poll of the actually largest and active community, the chaos dwarfs forum reached only 100 respondents, the one I mentioned got over twice that number

>>96152682
Why not average the two for an even larger sample size?

why do we care about some discord trannies polls ?

>>96152682
and you're being wilfully dishonest when reporting the percentages, even in the chaos dwarfs forum the ones that like everything are only as many as the ones that think the range has more misses than hits

it's not difficult to see why someone would think the range has more hits than misses when the heroes and centerpieces are numerically superior to the flawed troops, but the troops make the foundations of the faction, so the number of hits and misses must be weighted for the importance those hits or misses have

>>96152701
Because the fate of the world hinges on winning an internet arguement over the reception of plastic miniatures.

why do we need a consensus in the first place? is this Japan or something?

Imagine if like, this autism was used, for hobbying.

>>96152707
>>96152662

>>96152691
because there might be overlaps in respondents and because the poll options aren't worded the same

>>96152682
And which community is that? I know chorfs.com is niche, but it describes the reception of the OG veteran fans of chorfs.
You started your post by saying "nope" to a post explicitly referencing Chorfs.com, as if what was described from their thread wasn't correct.
I'm curious what community you're referencing that's apparently bigger than sites like that or reddit for judging the mainstream reception?

>>96152723
-sites like TGA* or reddit

>>96152723
>And which community is that?
The facebook group of that same site, which has actual activity because old style forums are dead.

>>96152726
>>96152723
Bvlls of desire.com

No faction that got a good range update ever made multiple polls asking people if they liked the new stuff, just saying...

>>96152741
Skaven absolutely did. So did soulblight back in…2e? Damn that was a while ago.

>>96152639
OGRES MY LORD

Honestly my knee jerk reaction to the nu-chorfs was extremely negative but there's some decent aspects to it as well. The most important part now is if there's enough bearded heads to avoid the dyke dwarf problem.

>>96152741
Every single old one did. Even StD and Seraphon.

>>96152757
That is the only potential fracture in an otherwise perfect release for me.
The infantry units absolutely will have enough male heads going by all other modern releases, but I've noticed there are "female" shields as well...
Also it seems like there will always be one female artillery crew member, so I hope there are spare male ones in the other kits.

>>96152776
>"female" shields
Jesus Christ, why? Aren't they meant to depict hashut father of darkness?

>>96152783
Cowgirls get the rope

>>96152135
People will get used to them and will like them. I thought the WF CD design was cooler, but I like these ones as well. Need more art and info about their heinous crimes against nature and other races.

>>96152776
>but I've noticed there are "female" shields as well
Is that true? can't check the images right now, but that would be a major letdown. They should have standard issue

>>96152799
I believe this is what he was talking about.

>>96152799

theres a few different shields and yes, sadly one of them seems to be a w*men

>>96152807
>even shields are gendered now
The absolute state

>>96152807
why do they all have the gem on their head?

>>96152809
wrong pick cus im retarded

>>96152812
>why do they all have the gem on their head?
The nu-GW target audience prefer more flamboyant types

>>96152814
>1 out of 5
The might still be optional then

>>96152810
Better news is that it's not 50/50 gendered, most shield sigils look like a mix of bulls, skulls and bearded dwarfs so that particular shield might be easy to leave out, especially if it's ten to a box and your musican/banner/leader combo doesn't need them.

>>96152814
the warcom article has more shield designs, a few more bulls heads, and one with a skull (the only skull in the entire range)

>>96152809
In this case you could easily paint the area underneath as its beard, the way the chevrons are placed lends well for it.

>>96152783
>why?
valaya went with the bull

>>96152799
>>96152807
>>96152809
Yes, this is what I am referring to. Some of them depict bulls, and I think I saw a different one of them that is a skull.
But there's at least one here that's clearly a women.
>>96152826
Ah, yeah there is the skull one. Refreshed the site.

>>96152834
>Chaos dwarfs are the NTR faction, they steal the women of the other dwarf factions which is why they have women and the others don't.
Deepest darkest lore.

>>96152810
We tried to warn you with CoS but you wouldn't listen

>>96152826
Really like the look of these. Surprised how much I liked the swords on them.
Hope they're as elite as advertised. Would be awesome if they borrow Fyreslayer's thing of Dwarfs having two wounds.
I want them to be comparable to Ard Boys or Mortek at the very least.

Carrying on from last thread, I've got a Cities Spearhead (the old one), I want to start trying to build up a AoS gaming scene starting with Spearhead, so I'm looking for a second Spearhead I can bring for demo games.

How about Flesh Eater Courts? It looks like a normal AoS force, and reasonably balanced against the Cities box

>>96152872
It's a good contrast, both gameplay and visually with the FEC and their tattered banners/musicians vs. CoS regiments. Go for it.

>>96152884
You need to change the color of the front of the hat, it has to be in the same colour as the rest of the hat

ngl dude kinda looks like a lady

>>96152927
>elf
Well there y ou go

>>96152927
They just like to make waves

>>96152429
>Trump won, we're allowed to have sexy again
But that's the US. The rest of the world needs a few more years to pivot in the same direction.

>>96152884
I think all the armor plated need to be red, like you did with the shoulderpads and gauntlets.
The robes are nice as black, but that leaves the sash. Maybe make it a bold red? Even redder than the armor plates, like some expensive cloth.

>>96152894
https://files.catbox.moe/92cpwi.jpg

>>96152927
That's a lady
I'm a GW female expert

>>96152997
NTA, there are some hardcore converter Chorf old guard that would probably love your services over on Chorfs online.

What's the target audience for this?

>>96153061

their own shareholders so they can tick the diversity box.

>>96152135
It has a complete silhouette which is nice.
The models look fine, nothing makes me want to jump up, buy, and paint it. Also I hate the stupid 'magic cloud' on the SC, even if it is easy to remove.
I hope Chorf fans are happy, it's just not for me.
> Gimmick
Slower, slightly better shooting than KO with infantry that can actually fight.

>>96152225
Giving an opinion isn't shit posting you fucking over sensitive faggot
Isn't there some fag content creators discord you could be on right now?
Get the fuck out of here. If someone wants to say it's good, it's fine. If someone wants to say it's shit, it's fine.

>>96153096
always funny how you retards will call each other oversenstive while losing your fucking shit like a 6 year old over the slightest fucking disagreement.

shut the fuck up you apes

>>96153061
>representation
mtf trans people in the UK and USA, they look just like that

>>96153061
If they were going to do one female Chorf it would have to be something that stands out.
Going for an exaggeratedly ugly "Agatha Trunchbull" matriarch would be a good idea, but the ideologues already ruined this by making the infantry units unisex with ugly pug-orc women.
As someone who loves the HoH release I don't want any women anyway. So it's not for me either. It's for the "modern audience" I guess.
If she was more unique I would at least consider her.
>>96153081
The infernal cohorts are my favorite, so I do really hope they can fight.
I'm a bit scared that all the units can only build these counter-punch castle armies, so I hope they manage to make 'em fun to play.

>>96153119
Damn she does kinda look like Valrak..

>>96152417
Sh-shut u-up! STOP NOTICING THINGS

>>96152639
Sweet new ogres

>>96152415
>>96152417
The infernal cohorts are from the royal clans (of the Despot I presume).
Since he's a unit champ maybe he is an Ashen elder "in the making"? Meaning he's a young royal of importance, training as a priest or something.

>>96153117
Anon what the flying fuck are you talking about?
I'm literally saying anyone can say their opinion. Are you retarded or on the spectrum or something?
Either way, consider the noose

>>96153144
what im going on about is, stop shitting up the thread flinging mud at each other over fucking nothing you fucking monkeys

>>96153161
>>96153167
>shitting up the thread
You're the only one doing that

>>96153061
that's just a British woman

>>96153061
I honestly figured /tg/ would love this character, as her backstory is literally that she is incompetent and led her army to destruction. I thought chud kings would jump all over that shit

Warcry was namedropped on the stream. Dare I hope?

>>96153203
They saw a woman they don't want to fuck, that's all there is to it

>>96153215
You are a disingenuous culturally blind retard, so high on your own farts you're incapable of seeing things from another's perspective if you assume they don't share your politics.

>>96153232
shut the fuck up already

>>96153204
>we haven't forgotten about warcry
>chorfs will get rules for warcry
which means nothing new for warcry

>>96152178
Khorne and KO books were both good so I'm hopefully we've turned the corner on boring army design.

>>96153203
disingenuous assumptions
disingenuous conclusions

>>96153240
There will always be people here who don't share your views. They will never shut up or go away.

>>96153267
I'll just kill everyone who disagrees with me, what then huh?

>>96153273
Leave the thread and find out what happens then, lmao.

>>96153273
I don't know whether to be insulted you compared me to an elf, or charmed that you used that reaction image.

>>96153161
if he ever stopped id be disappointed because it would mean he's no longer trapped here

>>96152135
dunno about the design and all that but I'm big mad that it's been 4 years and I still don't have mortek archers and these mother fuckers get 2 artillery that's not retardedly big and two variants of shooting units on release.

in before some mega retard claims obr shouldn't have ranged or death shouldn't have shooting

>>96153321
>in before some mega retard claims obr shouldn't have ranged or death shouldn't have shooting
I kinda wish they got like a three man unit of spell slinging liches or something.
Maybe if they wound something you get to heal something close to the unit.
A non-standard ranged unit that's a bit more interesting than a mortek with a bow at least.

>>96153321
I swear I've seen an obr archer at some point.

>>96153321
obr shouldn't even exist, waste of plastic.

>>96153341
magic users having ranged weapons is so underutilized in this game its crazy

>>96153341
mortek with a crossbow would have been ideal but ghosts stole the crossbows

>>96152135
It's going to be like every other AoS army
>big monster hero guy
>big monster wizard guy
>foot priest, wizard and buff guy
>heavy sword guys
>light sword guys
>monster infantry unit
>gun guys
>monster guys
>artilery guys
No holes, nothing unique, forgettable slop

>>96153321
If your faction wanted a second wave maybe it should have thought about it before putting noses and clown grins on primaris skeletons that are actually shorter than the normal skeletons.

>>96153061
Honestly that isn't even the worse female lead Underworld warband. Have you see the Slave to Darkness? The 2 females there look like males you can even make a mustache on them and it will not feel strange.

To be fair I think this chaos dwarf warband is neat thematically speaking. The female leader is an incompetent fat british woman who only holds power because the other dwarves own her big time and they are somewhat honorable to pay those debts. I mean, she lost a her army and the other 3 dwarves are the only ones who survived (and the hob goblino is just a slave).

>>96153349
There is one in their underworlds warband.
Together with that is their best sculpt in my opinion, Kainan.

>>96153341
It doesn't necessarily have to be a bow but it makes the most sense given the precedent, and the use of bows fits with their phalanx fighting style. It's the ultimate classical weapon, it's hilarious that Katakros and obr are supposed to be a military influenced faction but they don't have rank and file archers.

Eitherway there's nothing limited them to just one ranged unit.

>>96153341
there's definitely precedent in fluff and pic related

>>96153356
yes, not sure if I agree with the decision to remove arcane bolt but at the least they should have a ranged attack like the stormcoven do.

>>96153394
probably more likely covid fucked up the release schedule

as much as haters want to hate, the faction has been among the more successful new aos armies

>>96153404
>there's definitely precedent in fluff and pic related
I know, and I agree with this
>it's hilarious that Katakros and obr are supposed to be a military influenced faction but they don't have rank and file archers.
-too. At least that their only common ranged weapon is a fucking catapult. How do they deal with the flying fantasy monsters in the mortal realms?
But if I'm honest I think the Mortek is the worst looking unit. So I'd rather they do something more unique with their mini range.
They have already monopolized liches from SBGL and Barrow Kingdoms, at least do more cool liches then.

>>96153416
>probably more likely covid fucked up the release schedule
lumineth were released later and received a second (and soon third) wave before them
soulblight received 3 different kits of plastic skeleton warriors before ossiarchs could get a second mortek unit

>>96153416
lol cope more.

>>96152135
Not nearly enough war machines for my liking.

>>96152426
I will never forget the time that they explicitly stated that the Lord of Virulence in 40k would buff daemon engines specifically, when in reality he only buffed plague marines

>>96153448
the lrl release was split expressly because of covid fucking shit up, it was supposed to be 1 wave.

don't you think it's a little weird that lrl got two tomes with the only difference being the second one added more warscrolls?

sbgl was always slated to have it's miniatures refreshed like all other legacy factions, and i don't think anyone set the bar for a new army to outperform an evergreen one.

>>96153203
The model was surprisingly well received here actually

>>96153500
>it was supposed to be 1 wave.
No, it wasn't, no faction launch contains that many kits, not even in 40k.

>>96153500
>don't you think it's a little weird that lrl got two tomes with the only difference being the second one added more warscrolls?
Consider the following: GW are fucking retarded

>>96153520
i mean you can only speculate but given the timing of covid, GW going dark on LRL announcements, 9th edition needing to be pushed out, releases being weird for the following couple years, and this unprecedented rerelease of the same tome with just more scrolls. It makes sense to *me* that it's the likely reason they had two waves. I've not ever heard of a faction outside space marines or stormcast get multiple waves within a year, but of course you can claim whatever seems more likely to be the case to you.

>>96153426
at this point they need to introduce a new tier for infantry in the shape of 32's or 40's and rebrand mortek as our version of skeletons

>>96153614
its because the original first release itself was delayed over half a year.

So is AoS dead now?

>>96153648
as dead as your sex life.

>>96153321
death is not allowed to have good shooting, because the combination of attrition+good long range shooting or casting is a fucking unholy combo from hell that creates ultimate uninteractive armies that are unkillable and bully the entire board at once without fear of reprisal.

we saw this for a while with old kroaknado and DoT summoning armies and it terrorized the game for like 3 years straight.

>>96153655
I had sex like 2 weeks ago incel and will be having more this weekend :)

>>96153614
>timing of covid
almost a full year before lumineth
>GW going dark on LRL announcements
didn't happen
>and this unprecedented rerelease of the same tome with just more scrolls
it's not a new thing
daughters of khaine and hedonites of slaanesh also got books very close to one another, hedonites also came with models in both instances

you can't seriously claim the second wave of ossiarchs hasn't been made due to covid when ossiarchs were released before covid and it's been almost 5 years since

>>96153680
how big was he?

>>96153614
nah, timing doesn't work out. Their two battletomes actually were different in more ways than just the warscrolls, for example the OG battletome had a bunch of 2nd wave references hidden in it's lore section that were replaced with new lore in the 2nd battletome.

>>96153381
ARMIES HAVE UNITS? HOLY SLOP ZOMG GW ARE HACKS!

this is starting to sound a lot like perryanon. shitposts and then responds with boasts about his personal life

dont take the bait, just ignore it

>>96153696
Huge my arsehole needed the time to recover :^]

Tzaangors will be allowed to take guns soon

>>96153614
Mortrek should had been 32 to begin with. Cucking their power level goes against the elite thematic of the army and adding more tiers of infantry is going to be hard to balance.

Is it just time or has there been more hate for AOS than usual on /tg/ lately? There’s three threads up right now that all read the same.

>>96153754
Twink polish hands are responsible for this situation.

>>96153754
It happens after every reveal stream

>>96153754
No the last few months we were actually in a rare slow period where the schizos didn't have anything to schizo about so post reveal they're making up for lost time.

>>96153061
Secondary fags.

>>96153837
He's right but Arch is still a disgusting nomodels faggot

>>96153837
>bored so watch this
>he claims Warhammer dwarf women have beards too
Some authority we got here lmao

>>96153381
isn't IDK still missing a bunch of those
I don't trust your list

Now that the dust has settled, why did HoH flop?

>>96153754
Honestly surprised there haven't been more seethe threads after chorfs. I think when ko got revealed there were like 5 aos threads up in the catalogue seething about aos lol.
>>96153381
Half the armies in this game wish they had a roster this deep.
With chorfs they kept the amount of foot hero kits to 2, representing only 20% of the army. A monumental feat of restraint for GW

>>96153754
Arch has his discord raid /tg/ apparently

You know maybe some people just take a break from a general from time to time and big news brings them back? Even if just to shit on it.
Just a thought.

I'm just sad that HoH didn't get a Skullcracker remake or successor so that I could convert it into a doomwheel proxy

Is there anything cool to read about Tempest's Eye outside the original Firestorm book and the two CoS battletomes?

>>96154005
No. Anyone who doesn’t love every single new release is an anti AoS grog towtard arch and also sponsored by the Polish government.

>>96154005
Nope. This sites dead, and the audience is incredibly too niche.

>>96154026
He's talking about people who make threads shitting on AoS, not people criticizing model releases.

>>96154019
no
the cities of sigmar are footnotes pretending to be subfaction.

>>96154019
Anon they don’t exist anymore. All those models went back to fantasy and GW is notoriously autistic about not crossing streams.

>>96154062
All those models aren't a location retard

>>96154019
You will be able to read all about how they got destroyed during this edition midpoint campaign in a few months. Other than that, not much no.
Also this colour scheme is much better than the current one wtf.

>>96154019
I recommend looking fro short stories

>>96154079
see>>96154089
The models and characters are Fantasy and not AoS anymore. They're dead and gone.

>>96153404
Yup that's my biggest problem too. Tabletop nerf them to oblivion or give them a weird unit size I don't really care. But it's such an essential cornerstone for any balanced martial force, that the "Balanced Martial Force", of Death not having any not only feels a bit silly but also makes the range feel incomplete. (Bonus points if CrossBone units for the pun alone)

>>96154150
What Tempes Eyes characters are AoS?
Why the fuck would a specific version of a dude witha sword be relevant to a place?

>>96154019
There's bits about it scattered across the various Soulbound books. But there's nothing out there in terms of novels or even short stories.

>>96154150
Try again

when does siege of ghyran end? Do we pick up a new seasonal GHB after it ends or do we just wait for the end of edition campaign.

Think that chorf bombard could be good for an ironjawz conversion of the kruleshotz RoR? I’m thinking yes

>>96154358
I think those rotate every half a year

>>96154378
No, it's too well crafted for it
>they stole it, hurr durr
might as well use a 40k model then

>>96154378
If the base is the same long and narrow oval, then it should work fine.
1 orruk would probably take up the spot of both dwarf crew members

>>96154459
this thing is much less impressive when you realise that half the length of the the construction is literally useless

Whitefang claims GW is facing legal trouble from Microsoft going after them for copyright infringement. The Helsmiths look too close to original wow characters he has heard.

>>96154547
Really? well could be worse, I heard from discord that the southern realms will feature warhammers very first non 40k interpretation of indians. Its going to feature a tranny that's supposed to be a depiction of kali, and such imagery might pose serious condemation of the old world.

>>96154378
Too clean of a design imo, you'd really have to grunge it up with paint and bits. You end up looking into the ogre stuff ?
>>96154547
Alright I'll admit this one got a chuckle out of me

>>96154547
>>96154576
That's nothing. WBMU said that the estate of Lionel Johnson is suing over the dark angel poem and the related IP.

Disney is also suing over inquisitor obiwan sherlock clousseau and malekith

>>96154458
The wheels absolutely need changing for starters. Although with my warband’s lore I might try to find something that looks like a hellcannon
>>96154692
I have somewhat. I’m trying to force myself to finish painting what I already have before I start any new projects, so anything I’m doing now is just prep work

Fluff question : would malerion give even a single shit about a non-elf worshipping him ? Actually, would he even notice ? I'm assuming from morathi's whole arc that belief/worship does really affect the gods.
>>96154740
Are you one of our many blessed ironjawz model posters ? For some reason the most consistently posted army on here.

>>96154779
Malekith doesn't give a shit even if it's elves that worship him, he commands and the others follow.

>>96152361
Lmao

>>96154779
>would malerion give even a single shit about a non-elf worshipping him
Given his general cuck starues to Shadow Demons and the fact Tyrion is atracking him, i'm sure he'd want any support he can get

>>96153381
i think the more time passes, the more i disregard anyone who punctuates their opinion with the word "slop"

>>96154779
Yeah. I have my army’s backstory being the boss took a cursed daemon sword from a Khorne champion, and it’s slowly corrupted the entire army; they’re now red orcs (my way of getting to Warcraft fel orcs). There’s also a chance I just do the kruleboyz as they are just so I can paint green skin somewhere. Still to paint is another megaboss (the one with the sword), another shaman (the one presented is how I used to do the scheme), an anvilsmasha, 15 more brutes, 3 more wrekkaz, 6 gore gruntaz, a maw krusha, and 10 more ardboyz.

>>96154547
fanfiction

>>96154850
That looks genuinely cool, anon

>>96154866
No unfortunately GW cannot use the fan fiction defense because they intend to profit from it.

>>96154850
I feel bad that I basically have an entire army painted but they just got a bunch of my favorite units removed and kinda suck.

Still love me models though.

>>96154850
Ohhh, you're the guy with the cool rogue idol proxy/kitbash. Ran him as kragnos I think ? Anyway great army and backstory anon, any ideas on how you're going to do the demonic sword ?
>>96154866
Yeah you don't say anon

>>96154866
>fan
I don't think so

>>96154850
What Scroll is that mangler representing?

Good evening aosg.
I've been wanting to jump into the game for a while now and after looking up through the basics of what the models look like + background lore I've settled on two main choices, seraphon and soulblight.
I love the models for each army a lot, although mostly the skellies as far the gravelords are concerned. How de the two differ in general playstyle, and which faction would you generally recommend more for a total beginner to wargaming and warhammer ?

>>96155249
pick lizards because their models are fantastic

>>96155249
both are pretty general purpose armies with wide rosters. soulblight leans more into healing and reanimation, but its slower and with less shooting and ranged offensive capabilities, and probably lower damage overall. seraphon are faster, higher damage, and have more access to ranged firepower and offensive spellcasting, at the expense of worse defense, less healing, and less reanimation.

both are fine armies though and more or less beginner friendly.

>>96153837
I actually like arch, and normally agree with him, but I actually like these Chorfs, I would have rather not had ugly female heads, but I did expect to see female Chorfs, I also wish they had more hats and hat varieties, as well as hats on the Bull Centaurs, oh and where the fuck is my Lammasu? When it’s all said and done though, I would rate it a 8/10. It tried to blend in the Chorfs from all areas while listening to the new fans who wanted the 90’s Big Hats look, and to be fair, it’s like 70% Big Hats. If their swords were curved like their classic ones, which were Shamshirs (Persian Scimitars), I would go for a 9/10 rating, as someone who loves Chorfs and is absolutely in love with their OG Big Hats looks.

>>96154896
Thank you!
>>96154916
Kragnos proxy is the plan, but I don't have any actual plans to run a Kragnos atm. I'm still a nogames fag :( Pic related is the sword/shaman and the planned paintjob. The mawkrusha boss has the same sword/helmet
>>96154950
Nothing; I just saw a cool squig on etsy and got it. He shall be the boss's pet.

>>96155334
>If their swords were curved like their classic ones, which were Shamshirs (Persian Scimitars)
Yeah big ass scimitars or falchions would have been pretty dwarfy. Or just go for the good old gladius. Not quite the inspiration you'd go to for chorfs but they'd work.

>>96155334
>the hats are different
>the faces are different
>the weapons are different
>the decorations are different
>but otherwise they're the same
they're both dwarfs, that's the similarity apparently

>>96155334
you can get free print files that look exactly like this, just print those

>>96153837
arch is a fucking retard and so is anyone actually watching him for any reason

>>96155249
With Seraphon my understanding is that you need to like the variety of stuff, but as long as you do it's a solid army.
This is probably one of the easiest armies to recommend a new player.

I also got into SBGL with the Barrow Kingdoms release. You can play skeleton heavy, but you need some other units and you don't want to use their Army of Renown.
They need the healing found in the standard way to play SBGL, but when they have that a Barrow Knight army is CRAZY tanky.

>>96155334
Are you me? Arch has a lot of good takes, even though I don't really like they guy.
I rate the new Chorfs even higher than you, but I very much agree on wanting that Assyrian/Babylonian look, and really wishing for a Lammasu. I know people want trains for a future wave 2, but the Lammasu is the thing I want the most.
Curved swords was something I really really wanted, so I'm kind of shocked how much I ended up liking the short swords they got. I like them more than the spears even.
The women are actually terrible, and a clear ideological move from GW. But the new unisex warhammer kits always include enough male heads to make the women optional.
That is the saving grace of the release for me.

>>96155390
Yes, all the people with different political views than you are just retards, and not really people.
Good thing you don't have to listen to them or pretend they exist.
Are you confused as to why Trump became the president again by any chance? No, it's just because most people are evil racists, and morally inferior to you, right?

>>96155334
>>96155363
To be fair, curved swords would clash with their new geometric motif
But honestly I feel like a lot of complaints about AoS chorfs come from either paintjob, which is certainly weird there but you can also paint it however you want, and thinking that they were ever gonna be like classic chorfs in Fantasy, which they were never gonna be, just like Lumineth aren't the Helves or Cities aren't the Empire, well that and mindset of a lot of people being "AoS bad! Kill AoS!"

>>96155390
>>96155334
>>96153837
Man feels good to not care about sloptubers at all, I unironically don't know who the fuck this Arch guy is

>>96155360
Oh shit I used those exact same helmets on one of my underworlds warbands!

For those whom have parsed the new KO book and points, gimmie the QRD. Do we have rules that are fun to play with and against for once? Are the new guys good? Which models are winners and losers? What are the big shot lists looking like? Is there cool art? Any interesting lore developments other than Barak-Urbaz being FUCKING DEAD?

>>96155444
He's a retard because he fakes his carrrrrtoon accent in a weird attempt to sound posh

>>96155469
That screaming helmet is absolute peak lol

>>96155249
If you are doing it for the models SBGL, if you want to win and also think lizards are cool Lizards.

I was disappointed hopping onto SBGL once I realized that you can only bring back each unit ONCE per game. Skeletons are a strong meat wall, the graveguard are okay but flimsy at 1 HP, you'll most likely need non-skeleton units as well (vampires or something that can actually kill) Also be prepared for the vast majority of units being a named guy. Other bummer being a bunch of their range is being slashed off and there's no necessary replacements. (Obviously you can still use them in legends)

I got into AOS getting cursed city, Nagash, and a bunch of skeletons and had the fucking wakeup call of a century when 99% of cursed city is gone, Nagash sucks fat cocks, and SBGL are just kinda fine in a realm of stupid busted shit.

>>96155484
I think the new book is back to making them kinda unfun to play against, but I sitll haven't seen them in practice to really positively say that 100%. If you like tournaments, they're definitely going to see some play at least.

>>96155514
I'm half debating on doing my KB up like that, Icy and black are so fucking cool.

>>96155504
I won't argue against that. That's why I dislike him too, even though he has some good opinions.
He obviously likes the smell of his own farts, because no Norwegian learns to sound like that in school or through popular media. He wants to sound ""intelligent"" and posh.

>>96155527
>I think the new book is back to making them kinda unfun to play against
NTA, that was always the number 1 complaint against them.
Either because they shot too hard in earlier editions, could fly high to escape, or could alpha shoot your important stuff off the table.

>>96155484
They turned them into more of an AoS army like everyone else instead of just playing their own personal set of game rules. Wardens in the Frigate are very strong. Ironclad is incredibly strong. You'll see a lot of the new unit likely reinforced to run on the outside of the board. Thunderers got changed from bring a lot of them to do damage to bring one or two 5s to apply strong debuffs.

>>96155523
Also shit forgot to mention, skeletons still don't have any kind of Wizard. Even though they have an entire subfaction of just skeletons you can't even grab a necromancer of Mortis engine to support them. I really love the models but holy fuck GW just sliced out so much flavour and options for a soup pot of a faction.

>>96155523
soulblight is much stronger than seraphon atm.

>>96155591
Could you please explain how? Not as like a bit I'd actually like to know since I wanna crack my army out more often.

>>96155577
The faction terrain themed AoR looked pretty nuts to me. Can't you slap unmodifiable 2+ saves on your gunhaulers?

>>96154013
I'm hoping to see an equivalent down the line, along with a dreadquake and some sort of take on a lammasu

>>96155648
that would be difficult.

>>96155249
for a total beginner, id agree with other anons about seraphon being the best pick. The models will be much easier to assemble, paint, and store (in general) than soulblight, who have a ton of breakable spindly shit that looks cool but is a pain in the fucking ass in practice. For someone with more experience not a big deal, but as a newbie to the modeling and painting side you'll find the lizards far more forgiving and straightforward.

>>96155716
That fucking deathrattle skeletons kit can fuck right off with those shitty little legs.

>>96155725
The new ETB kit kinda makes it better by a little margin, but yeah its necron tier.

>>96155725
>>96155731
Broken bones just lend to the skeleton authenticity

Anyone have a pdf of IDK 4e or spearhead- sand & bone?

>>96152332
That, and also a very brief moment where you could take mercenaries during 2nd edition. I remember the Crypt Flayer option being a popular pick, not for the flavor unfortunately but rather their ability to scream units off the table.

>>96155249
Lizards first then Soulblight second if you're still up for it. While I don't know how they paint I'd assume most would be easier, and if nothing else they'd certainly be cheaper as well as quicker to collect and build.
One of my first hobby mistakes was going with a hoard army in 40k as my first army. It took a lot longer to make meaningful progress especially while I was new. Doing something a bit more elite can help you experience all of the hobby with a bit less hassle and investment. After which, if you enjoy it and want to commit more Soulblight could be perfect.

>>96155523
Holy shit that dread abyssal is huge, never seem them irl and thought they were just cav sized. Shame about cursed city stuff, the undead ogres were really cool.
>>96155601
Nta but seraphon is like a bottom 3 army right now, at least in tournaments. You can still make them work just fine in casual play but I wouldn't exactly call them competitive atm.

>>96155874
That's crazy, my entirety of playing Seraphon (2e and 3e) they were consistently top dogs. What happen given their refresh was not THAT long ago.

>>96155334
A lot of his complaints really came off as someone trying to apply the rules of Fantasy onto AoS and being upset they didn't match. Female Dwarfs aren't nearly as rare so they make up a much large bulk of the martial class. Female Dwarfs don't usually have beards, the gems in the weapons serve an actual lore purpose, etc... That being said I do agree that the older style is more appealing and they made some design choices like purely metal bulls I don't love. Unlike him however, I'm more than fine with AoS being it's own thing and having it's own interpretation. Just means there's a good chance I'll collect Skaven to be used for both settings instead of Chorfs like I was hoping.

>>96155874
So it's less that SBGL and more that Seraphon are shit?

Also yeah the Dread Abyssal is honestly pretty neat. Wasn't the biggest fan of Manny so I swapped him for my spare Vampire from my Terrorgheists I'm using for Ghouls. And yeah, cursed city continues to be shafted by GW, I'm half expecting them to kill off Kritza and the other bits and bobs they haven't sliced off yet.

>>96155874
>Holy shit that dread abyssal is huge
Shame they're annoying to get now. Start Collecting! my beloved...

>>96155902
I got that and Malignants for like 100 bucks from a british guy who lived in my local area, real nice guy. Wound up selling Malignants to bankroll a Nagash. What a fucking deal.

>>96155938
It's absolutely insane how much the price of the hobby has increased since those boxes were around. If I only knew at the time...

>>96155944
I still think AoS is "decently" priced comparatively to 40k etc. I've bought most everything second hand and people just sell off entire armys for like 200 bucks.

>>96155900
Where do you get this idea they're weak, barrow knights are disgusting. BKs with the new hero and the subfaction hit like absolute trucks.

>>96155960
I got this weird thing where I don't like Cavalry spam, and the best units in the faction are blood knights and black knights so I'm basically fucking myself is probably the reasoning!

>>96155966
Well you don't have to "spam" them

>>96156054
Nah I know, it's just a hangup I have. Especially with this edition since it feels like there is no real downside to having Cavalry. (I also play nighthaunt and have been trying to avoid hexwraiths like the plague)

>>96155902
>>96155944
>>96155950
Start collecting was so fucking good back in the day man, the seraphon one was 65 euros for a carnosaur, like 12 saurus and 8 saurus knights. You could also got a skink oracle out of the kit, or a scarvet if you built it as a troglodon. And that's not even mentioning the crazier conversion stuff you could try if you had some experience.
Today, the same carnosaur in that kit alone sells for 72.50.

>>96156094
You do know it sold separately for the cost of the sc then too right. In most cases when they changed to spearhead boxes the cost reduction was the same, even the fec box everyone loves to endlessly glaze.

>>96156129
Say what you will about the start collecting FEC box, 2 of these was a solid fucking start

>>96156129
I remember it being ever so slightly cheaper, maybe 62.59 compared to the box at 65 or something

>>96156174
you could absolute justify geting 3 of these, maybe even upwards of 6. The only issue is you'd have to paint that fucking awful kit of a dragon

>>96156174
It was only good when people were spamming TGs before their broken bullshit was rightly nerfed, after that you needed 9000 horrors and the TG kit was cheap anyway like $60 basically the price of 3 horrors anyway.

>>96156215
I've got 2 Terrorgheists and that's enough for now. I don't wanna have to keep coming up with new ways to pose it so they don't all look the exact fucking same.

>>96155460
A lot of the complaints are pretty unfounded in my opinion, when comparing them to the old models I mean.
I while I understand some of the laments the old guard veteran Chorf players have with the look, I quite like this rendition of them. For example the lore reasons for the chaos iconography being gone is something I find to be really enticing.
Things like the big noses being nerfed was something we already saw as the miniature proportions for Dwarfs changed since the 3rd-5th ed of WHFB, so I don’t think the Helsmiths have smaller noses than the Legion of Azgorh release for example. I suppose it’s unfortunate they have nose-guards on the helms, but you can still see the men have proportionally big noses on the helmetless models.
The only thing I dislike are the unisex units with women (I wanna collect DWARFS with BEARDS!), but thankfully they new modern unisex warhammer kits always have enough male heads to cover the unit.

I guess they could have gone for the GSG or Seraphon route with the units being just "HD 1:1" remakes of the old stuff.
But they would have still nerfed things like their noses and proportions.
I'm just glad I like the new ones.

a bunch of grognards dont like aos models?

ok and?

>>96156366
a bunch of aos fans dont like the new aos models either.

>>96152135
God the underworlds team they got is so fucking ugly.

>>96156509
They're fine, as one of the like 2 guys in this thread who plays underworlds I can assure you there are much MUCH worse teams.

>>96156538
There being worse and uglier diversity fest teams doesn't make this ugly ass diversity fest team any better anon

>>96156558
can you fucks ever pick anything else other than just diversity as a reason to shit on it, holy shit.

>>96156094
Ally boxes were also insane. Pic related was the price of an arock. My lgs had them at 50$ when they went oop.

>>96156094
People shat on the start collecting boxes for being too expensive back in the day. And I’m sure people will be reminiscing about the good value of spearhead boxes 10 years from now.

>>96156574
I mean it usually leads to things looking ugly as fuck and not aesthetically pleasing so why wouldn't people point it out?

>>96156594
Diversity?

>>96156538
It's the only bad Chorf kit due to the prominent woman minis you can't headswap.

Was that CoS/Ruination chamber novel released at the start of the edition any fun

>>96156574
that would require an original thought.

>>96156574
Pretty hard for them when complaining and being upset is a form of entertainment in itself

>>96156624
Not really, but mainly because it's taken them until pretty much now to write fun armies.

>>96155444
I'm not far off Arch politically but I still think he's a retard and his videos are shit.

>>96156653
I unironically had some fun reading old realmgate wars novels when it was literally just two armies face fucking each other to death over strange vistas. Pestilens is still one of my favs

>>96156666
Sorry, my bad, thought you meant the battletome. I have no idea about the novel.

>>96156624
It's not the worst novel...but I wouldn't call it fun, no. It's very grimdark, probably the most "grimset heroes grimly setting out for battle" of all the edition lead-in novels so far for AoS. I didn't hate it, but I doubt I'd ever read it a second time.

>>96156574
Stuff would generally look better and more sensible without the diversity quotas, so it would kill several birds with one stone to stop doing it.
It's a pretty general reason why releases are worse anon.

I remember back in 2nd edition there used to be a mega for pdfs of all the books they'd released back then, is it still around in some form? I'm not really looking for anything specific just wanted to kinda have a browse.

>>96156739
The discord-raiders and permanently online & assmad TOW players kept reporting them for copyright to take them down.
I mean I play both games myself, but you know who I'm talking about. The spergs that blame AOS for fantasy dying, and see it as representing everything wrong with modern GW.

If you want a tome now just ask the thread and someone will drop you a catbox link.

Are there any under world teams that are oop now?

Well that is it. My FLGS is cancelling their weekly night for AoS and replacing it with a monthly Spearhead tournament. This edition has been a fucking disaster.

Speaking of raiders..

>>96156781
Are you calling me a raider? Schizo retard. I literally spent $1200 on a Sunsteala army to play locally and now I have no where to play regularly.

>>96156799
Got any pics with a little sign saying hello? I wanna see all the money you wasted.

>>96156773
The same happened in one of the stores in my city. They canned their AoS night and replaced it with a Kill Team night. They did fire sale their remaining AoS stock so I did get some good deals at least.

>>96156771
>permanently online & assmad TOW players kept reporting them for copyright to take them down.
can't be them, theirs and 40k's megas got dismantled at roughly the same time too, and then the scanning/files sharing scene moved to other sites altogether

/gwsg/ is dead anyone in here have blood bowl almanac pdfs? Looking for all of them and thanks in advance.

>>96156843
Tow still has theirs. 40K has been gone for a while though

>>96156843
>40k's megas got dismantled at roughly the same time too
Months of difference

>>96156247
The problem is that even the male beards are pathetic and also they literally made male and female shields. There’s beardless HoH shield iconography to go with the girl sculpts. Forced DEI sucks. I wish they did it like Cathay where it’s just the heads are different and you get enough male/female heads to do a unisex unit if you want.

>>96156942
>wish they did it like Cathay where it’s just the heads are different and you get enough male/female heads to do a unisex unit if you want.
thats what they did.

>>96156942
See I'm sure more people would care if you actually bought models or played the game. Instead of popping your greasy head out of the hole every now and again to complain about something stupid then pushing it back down once you don't get reactions anymore.

>>96156872
tow remade theirs

>>96156942
Earlier in the thread we surmised that while it seems like there's several female heads we've only seen one female shield amongst a bunch of different designs. So I don't think that'll be mandatory either.
If anything the artillery piece still seems to be the only problem as it doesn't seem to come with it's own headswap.
But I do agree with you that the DEI is awful. It just seems like it's not mandatory, save for the space on the sprue.

>>96156949
Did they? Are there enough non female shields as well?

What the fuck is going to happen with the Zombie Dragon in the new FEC tome?

>>96156986
Doesn't share much in common with the new Ghoul aesthetic where they wear armour and use human weapons. Will probably be dragged behind the shed and disposed of

>>96156986
is it even still being sold

>>96156986
You stop having it as a unit.

>>96156773
I mean, if enough people hop onto spearhead, it could organically grow back in to a monthly regular AoS tournament. Unless the cause of the current switch is dwindling attendance.

>>96156986
They're keeping the kit at least right ? It's in a weird place but I think they might keep the zombie dragon scroll around too. Maybe that's copium.

>>96157211
It’ll come back within a year of leaving as part of the ToW range for Vampires.

Yeah the forced DEI all over the HoH range is pretty bad but that isn’t the death knell for the range. It’s that combined with how uninspired and derivative it is. As if the people who created the concept used AI and asked it to mix Chaos Dwarfs with Art Deco.

>>96157018
yeah, in all four forms, even

>>96157306
>how uninspired and derivative it is
Bad taste. I think they did an excellent job with getting a unique spin on it.
The "early-Warcraft" flavor and art-deco look are both aesthetics I really like. Even if I would have preferred a living Taurus, the animated metal statue coming to life is fucking awesome.
In the preview they spoke about HoH leaning into weaponized greed, and that shows up throughout the range with the sheer opulence of everything being so art-deco-y and decorated.

>>96155781
Also interested in the IDK tome

>>96157336
What

>>96157336
Oh, it is being sold. That’s weird. I guess it’s not going away after all? Makes some sense for sbgl to lose it, I think, with the new dragon guy. They’d probably have killed the kit already if it wasn’t gonna stay in fec, but then again night haunt still has the cavalry on their web page… so who knows.

>>96157336
>>96157450
I think he means the different build options, zdragon or terrorgheist, with or without ghoul on top.
>>96157486
I seem to remember people saying fec would keep the kit, and at least the terrorgheist warscrolls. Dunno about the zombie dragon though, but maybe ? The new sbgl one is technically a 'revenant draconith'.

>>96157306
You are not prepared.

>>96156366
I'm a Grognard and like the Chorfs. But I had the OG Chorfs not the Forge World ones so

>>96157450
there are still individual listings for all four build options. Which implies that all four will be in the new Battletome. Which implies that they'll be safe until at least Summer 2027 when the new Edition drops

>responsible for some of the most horrific shit in Fantasy, either directly or indirectly, and a reason the world was destroyed
>now she's still an evil shitty person but somehow ended up as the grand bastion of light, hope, and order
Morathi is a funny girl.

>>96157560
Man these editions are too fucking short. Hopefully 5th just keeps a majority of 4th while getting rid of dumb shit like the 3+ roll, maybe finding a way to incorporate path to glory into the main game too.

>>96157568
love a girlboss

>>96157568
I really dont know how to feel about her keeping khaine in the jar. She is cool though. Also she needs to smack her son into action.

>>96157568
She's just the best

>>96157581
>khaine in the jar
Khaine is gone now. She replaced him. Age of Shegmar.

>>96157574
More of a Cima guy, but based.

>>96157518
Kino.
>>96157532
Then you're more of an OG than me. Happy to see the old guard being able to appreciate variety if not change.
I got in during 8th ed because I found Dwarfs so boring to play as. The magic and unit variety of Chords lured me in, and then I fell in love with the "cartoon villain" feel of the army.
Never got to finish my 8th ed Chorf army before the end times, so I'm excited to have Chorfs in AoS. Just played with mostly grey tide back in the day sadly.

>>96157581
>khaine in a jar
I thought the guy was fully dead-dead ? Then again I'm not too up-to-date on elfs.

Anyway, I know you've all probably seen quite a bit of chorfs in different paint schemes, but I thought I'd still share this one. It's not really a hot take anymore but man the muted scheme they went with does not do them any favours does it.

>>96157685
Fuck, the middle one is good.
By having blue accents on the armor the black beard still stands out too. I'm definitely stealing that black armor.

If you made this, share it with Chorfs.com if you bother.

Good time to be a dwarf lover right now. The new KO stuff and the Chorf reveal got me back into the hobby after being away for so long. I started painting the one airship I hadn't finished yet for my KOs, the frigate.

How are KO doing right now? I know they were off to s rough start at the beginning of 4th but surely they've made a comeback, no?

>>96157706
Buy an ad

>>96157708
I really want to do KO but the massive models on flight stands have me spooked. I see you went with the thrid part massive flight stand, which seems like a better solution.

Are there any easy clever ways to do a disguised flight stand, like the ship is passing a tree or a mountain top or something?

>>96157718
Best I've seen was from the army that inspired my scheme (definitely didn't just steal it haha it's totally my own thing)
He did anchors dragging along the ground. Neat idea that I do not have enough skill or patience to bring to fruition.
I'm more accustomed to the easier option which is just the magnet baron stands. I wouldn't be in KO if it weren't for them.

>>96157568
Evil women just do it for me

>>96157735
lol I was thinking of doing white and blue too, but I was stealing it from Drekki's scheme

>>96157762
White and blue is just such a great scheme, man. Mix in some gold and you've got yourself Gold.

>>96157638
I am cynical about certain things, e.g. am worried Witch Elves will be updated and will not be sexy anymore. I dislike Primaris generally in 40k, some of the DEI stuff is very on the nose.
But can also appreciate certain things, with Chorfs it's very obviously a homage to the OG ones

>>96157708
Right?? Votann too for 40k, they got a big release.
>How are KO doing right now?
The time has changed up quite a lot. Opinions on whether we'll be strong or not are quite split, with some thinking we're gonna be annoying to play against (again).
>>96157718
The flight stands are a bit crap indeed. I also bought the third party one.
>>96157762
NTA, that's quite good actually. The cream and brass harmonize to they both look kind of white.
And I dig the green accent color on their lenses.

>>96157685
You guys figure GW still has time to put eavy metal to work and have them repaint everything, and then reprint all their shit in time? Literally every mockup I've seen looks better than the original scheme, and I don't think this is an unpopular opinion either.
>>96157708
Very nicely done anon, and yeah >>96157735 >>96157762 blue and white is peak kharadron scheme. Planning on maybe picking up the RoR + some endrins and have it pull double duty as a spearhead.

>>96157794
>Witch Elves will be updated and will not be sexy anymore
I can guarantee that will happen. Daughters of Khaine are aimed at female players, not male players. Same with modern Sisters of Battle. Malerion Elves might be aimed at men. If they even exist at this point.

>>96157811
Annoying to play against seems to be a staple for a shooting army inside a melee game. I don't play aos very much but the games I've had seemed to have my opponents tapping their feet. But oh well, I'm here for the models mostly anyway. I'm interested in what chorfs will bring for a playstyle, though.
And oh yeah, I'm stoked for the votann too. I've got a whole army of those dwarves. And with chords coming up? They'll be my third. Like I said, great time to be a dwarf lover right now. (Apologies for the 40k picrel, I felt it was relevant. Wish the dwarf proportions over there were closer to the aos dwarves)

>>96157817
I am pretty sure they have some internal rules about faction colors or some shit and thats why they deliberately went against the one that relies on red too much

>>96157818
Most women like sexy characters. The only people who like ugly female characters are dorky white males and androgynous fat women.
Just look at all the popular girl games.

>>96157852
In the gaming space modern women are fighting to desexualize ever female character. They might like female characters but they don't want you to enjoy them.

>>96157852
This.

>>96157887
And this. The women who actually play want sexy women, the ones complaining will never play no matter what.

Fuck I hate fat people

>>96157818
Women seem to like non-humanoid factions the most in my experience, mostly seraphon and sylvaneth for aos (+some ghosts and even skaven surprisingly), same with 40k and nids.
>>96157842
I think votann have some of the only lore in 40k that appeals to me, I'm a sucker for the whole ai going mad over millennia of use + the weight of all those memories. However the models are just kind of meh to me. I wish they leaned more into the nasapunk style, or take a page out of necromunda's book. I don't really like the faux nordic angle they've got, at least not for 40k. I seem to be in the minority though, most people seem to want the exact opposite. Your army is painted up beautifully though, gorgeous base + colour scheme combo.
>>96157851
I think you're right yeah. Classic scheme might be too close to khorne. Still, the black in the middle looks great and is different enough from the standard StD scheme I think, with the red accents.

>>96157842
Kek, your armies are similar to mine, as is your Votann color scheme to what I was planning for mine.
Brick red, gold trim, cream cloth and ice(frostheart contrast) blue for visors, plasma, weapons.
>Wish the dwarf proportions over there were closer to the aos dwarves
My only problem with Votann are the small beards. They only thing I envy the Fyreslayers range for is that they still get to have big beards.
Even if it obscures the torsoes I kinda wish the rank and file Chorfs got bigger beards too.
Really hope there will be more to the Chorf play style than castling up and counter-punching. Maybe we can be aggressive with some 2+ save bull-naughts in the middle of the board riding up with the centaurs.
You are right though. This year is the year of the Dwarfs for Warhammer!

How customizable are phobos marines?

>>96158181
Brother

>>96157744
You must be a really lucky guy in random dates.
>>96158181
Pick some of the extras from Storm Eternals and have fun, specially putting stuff on the base.

>>96158039
>>96157934
Yeah, the 40k dwarf range is lacking in quite a few fields. Their beards are small and they seem too tall. But to me they're still dwarves, and I do love their lore. The models grew on me as a learned my color scheme. I think the copper and warm colored armor is better than the stupid green and white they did for the poster boys for votann. It doesn't suit them at all to me.
You're right about fyreslayers though, they do mog the rest of the dwarves in the beard department (Though I will say I love the helmet beards on KO). That's why I'm glad chorfs give them a run for their money on some of their models. The chorfs even have cool beard adornments and jewels. I really can't wait to paint those models.

NEW THREA
>>96158300
>>96158300
>>96158300
D

>>96158227
Yeah hit and miss. Dated a bipolar girl who was batshit crazy but the sex was ridiculous. She even pegged me once
Current GF made me wait 2 months until we could have sex so I guess she qualifies as evil

>>96157568
Bitches live on easy mode

>>96152872
As someone who exclusively plays the first CoS spearhead and has played against the FEC spearhead i say go for it.
Its a pretty balanced match between the two.