Thread 96152029

Late for the Mi-8 edition

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>>96073968

>Thread Question:
How you you like to link tabletop battles together? How do make each battle become part of a wider war?

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>New Trove Link
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>Advanced Squad Leader
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>Black Powder
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>Hail Caesar
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>Impetus
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>The Perfect Captain
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>Phoenix Command RPG
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>Saga
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>Wargaming Compendium
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To the anon who freaked out about my Indian bolt action troops: Because of you I decided to make my K47 Armoured Infantry be from the 7th Indian. >>96152369

Hope you enjoy that.

>>96152788
NTA, but there is nothing wrong with taking inspiration from the unlikeliest of places. As long as you enjoy the process, it serves itself.

>>96152875
Oh yeah, I actually read a few more ospreys to find stuff on the 7th Indian after he went nuts, was cool.

Next thing is some Sherman kangaroos because I want to experiment with true mechanized infantry for the late war.

For a warhammer fantasy player who wishes to get into ancient historicals, and wants specifically to use 28mm models for the enjoyment of painting and playing with them rather than smaller scales, would you recommend the actual warhammer ancient battles rules with individual basing, or accepting what seems to be the current fashion of sticking 4 models to a base and using a set of rules that has no casualty removal?

I LOVE ULTRA MODERN WARGAMING!!!!!


>>96152029 (OP)
>Mi-8 edition
I love Russian helicopters so much, I'm still searching on my quest to find a 1/48 scale Mi-8 or Mi-17 that doesn't cost a small fortune for my Ukraine project

>>96153698
Have you considered looking for a Hind? Probably more available than a Mi-8 and can be used as a troop transport as well.

Does anyone know if theres a scenario book for any ACW game that has a scenario for Bufords delaying action on the eve of Gettysburg? The game doesn't matter, just want ideas on how to make this scenario for Pickett's Charge

>>96155080
Idk

>>96155080

seems like it would be fairly simple do yourself? Have Buford's cav already deployed and units of Hill's corps deploy randomly or regularly scheduled. 6 or so turns to dislodge them before Reynold's Corps comes up.

If you want to go from the Confederate side encountering unknown resistance maybe a series of blinds or concealed jumping off points to probe the union lines

Hi anons, can any of you share the Hail Caesar Army Lists (Biblical to Early Medieval) pdf? Just checked the trove and there's only a scan of the 1st edition one

I am greatly enjoying Tobruk: Tank Battles in North Africa 1942

Finished these 28mm military order foot knights by Footsore Miniatures for Barons War: Outremer. Painted as templars.

>>96153207
I wouldn't recommend WAB. Otherwise, the best advice I can give is to just find a rule set you enjoy and go with what it does instead of trying to go about it the other way around.

>>96156293
Looking nice. Good job with the white.

>>96153698
This actually looks pretty fun.

>>96155423
I do have ideas on how I can do it myself, just wanna see what others might've done

>>96153207
Hail Caesar is the spiritual successor to Warmaster and use individual basing and casualty removal.

Are any of the WW1 Wargames good? I'd like to play one but ofcourse its difficult ot know where to start looking.

>>96157504
Hail Caesar doesn't use individual bases and doesn't have casualty removal...

>>96158041
I love Great Wars in the East quad by SPI games. But I also have a fascination with Austria-Hungary

>>96158183
Except it uses individual bases and if you want to note casualties by knocking off your minis or removing them it's your call. My guess is you got mixed up with Epic Hail Caesar maybe?

>>96159897
It really doesn't. Hail Ceasar is somewhat agnostic but usually it's 40x40 with four minis on a base.

>https://www.warlordgames.com/hail-caesar-base-sizes/

>>96160262
Wow look, your own link says you're wrong. Sorry I tought you were arguing in good Faith, didn't realize you had no idea what you were talking about.

>>96160413
Not sure why you're trying to bait us, this is a slow thread.

>>96160413
Try buying some of their minis before you talk out of your ass.

>>96155080
You have a scenario about Bufords'action in "Across A Deadly Field" scenario book: "The War in the East"

>>96160413
ESL spotted lmao

Anyone have any small niche or lesser known conflicts they have an interest in wargaming?
For me it's
>Sierra Leone Civil War, white mercs killing RUF
>Rhodesian Bush War
>Israel-Hamas in Gaza
>2nd Chechen War
It's kinda difficult to find models for a lot of these, strangely the Chechen War has the most support it seems.

>>96160784
Greek-Turkish war would be neat.
>It's kinda difficult to find models for a lot of these
Just play 15mm and you can wargame all the MENA conflicts. Khurasan has excellent minis for Hezbollah, Taliban, JIDF, Kurds, Turks and generic insurgents suitable for all the various Islamic and "secular" groups.

>>96160812
I don't want to play 15mm, it's too small for me I have a lot of 28mm terrain that I've spend a decade making and accumulatingz it would be useless for 15mm. I have a lot of interest in 20mm because I could use 1/72 vehicles, but they seem to not have a lot of options, which is why I stick to 28mm

>>96160784
I binged Yugo music videos, bit of a meme all in all but I enjoy the aesthetics.

>>96160835
Well Empress has modern figures in 28mm but no Jews.

Artizan makes these guys for the Arab Revolt, does anybody else make early 20th Century Arabs/North Africans?

My uncle knows I'm into historical wargaming so he left me a big box full of ... military maps from WW2, Vietnam and Desert Storm. Not exactly sure what I'd do with this that's wargaming related but I do do WW2 and Nam gaming. Any thoughts?

>>96162608
https://www.destrancheesauxbarricades.com/index.php/product-category/premiere-guerre-mondiale/revolte-arabe-de-1916-1918/

>>96165636
Use them for campaigns to tie your individual battles together.

>>96165636
Scan and Upload them

anyone have any experience with the WGA dark age kits?

their army builder box has caught my eye, just wondering what their other boxes are like and if any of you would recommend them having built them yourselves. I realise they look a bit simpler than the Victrix offerings, and I know that there are companies like Footsore who do amazing metal minis, but I'm on the lookout for plastic minis for ease of transportation/cost efficiency, and looking at using them for rank and flank rather than skirmish so the simpler poses suit that better than Victrix's.

>>96168273
They're fine, not really suitable for late Romans tho.

>>96168371
oh...that doesn't sound fine

>>96168273
Absolutely horrible quality compared to Victrix. Most Victrix ancients kits are made for rank and flank. Genuinely there is no reason I would ever buy WGA over Footsore and victrix

>>96168440
Victrix uses AI for their artworks.

>>96168497
No they don't. This thread isn't as retarded as /awg/ so don't start that shit here. They helped publish and distribute the English translation of a game made by a Frenchman who used AI to produce some background art for his game.

>>96125399
Of course it is. Can you not spot Hilter's Dog when it's standing right next to him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbX3yWw74JY

>>96168539
Then my dumbass posts the wrong video of a nazi dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eQwAilMWtE

Captcha: GAYJJ

>>96168497
And?

>>96168497
Give me one example where Victrix used AI to produce their artwork.

>>96169363
They credit MidJourney for illustrations in Pillage.

I've been reading a bunch about the Great Northern War and I'm hankering to do some gaming with it, but I've never played anything in this era before. Would any anon know a good set of rules for early 1700s?

>>96169614
And? Victrix didn't make Pillage, so what is your point?

>>96169614
>Author: not Victrix
>Translator: not Victrix
>Photographer: not Victrix
>Illustrations: not Victrix
>Review: not Victrix
Why are you blaming Victrix exactly? Because they chose to sell it on their website?

>>96168407
They're better for the middle period but not really perfect for that era either. It's a bit odd that they made a kit that isn't perfect for any period.

>>96170243
>>96170285
i think theres definitely a point to be made that its not good that victrix supported the pillage guy using AI but my understanding is they probably didnt even know untill after they signed contracts, and even then using pillage as an example of "victrix using ai for their artworks" is beyond retarded and i think its just the local victrix hater

>Print spitfire to have one on the ground ready to take off, potentially as an objective
>because i print as single FDM piece, propeller comes out broken and wings are all scraggly
>No loss, crashed spitfire terrain piece now

>>96168273
some WGA kits are fine
their late roman kit is unfortunately literally one of their worst
really bad kit all around and has THE WORST loss of detail on a head ive ever seen >>96168440

>>96172098
>they probably didnt even know untill after they signed contracts
That is not a company that does basic due diligence then. That does not make the situation better for them.

>>96173784
Boomers are incapable of identifying AI.

>>96173784
The whole debate about AI probably has not entered the British boomer who runs Victrix' mind even a single time. It's only a big deal to you because you're terminally online.

>>96173951
100% this. It's a complete non-issue to everyone who's having a normal life.

>>96173951
Good thing that Johnny Victrix is only selling his products to himself then, right?

>>96170199
Politely repeating my question.

>>96153207
I generally feel like individually based miniatures are best for games of 10-20 models, ie: a true skirmish where a figure is the unit of operation.

Unless you are playing small raids and border disputes, capture the bridge, capture the farmhouse type actions (nothing wrong with any of this) you're going to be dealing with battalions of soldiers represented by 24 or even more figures.

Also, the condition of units is more than just dead and seriously wounded, there is also supply, morale, exhaustion/elan. I think with the figure count of the average historical battle, multibasing trumps figure removal every time.

Then there is protecting your figures etc. Even though some old school rules use it, I think multibasing is way more convenient:

that said, do it your way
if 40mm is too tight use 60mm
I use 40mm and base 2 for loose order troops or mounted, 3 for drilled close order and 4 for horde/conscripts
I do 5 bases so all units are 10-20 figures
A sixth base with unit filler/casualty marker is possible
even sci fi games over a certain size I do this way

>>96174139
>NOOOOOOO WHY DOESNT VICTRIX SUPPLICATE MY EVERY NEED!!!!
Grow up, manchildren are so pathetic

>>96175635
>take a week off
>the same weirdoes are ritualistically chanting their individual sour grapes

why are they like this

>>96169614
>793-1066

Dropped. Is this even dark ages lol all the VIkings in this story are Christian

Gimme late rome v goths any day

>>96176025
>Christian Romans vs Christian Goths
WOW WHAT A DIFFERENCE

which of the colonial wars that perry have miniatures for is the most fun to wargame?

>>96178756
You looking for a good black powder era game including small scale skirmish and large tank and flank battles, or just killing brownoids like in Sudan or Zulu land?

>>96179623
just looking to have a thin red line unleashing volley after volley against unending hordes of the globe

>>96179674
Then do Anglo-zulu war. I like the Mahdist and Second Anglo-Afghan war, but the bonga wore khaki in those.

Crimean War would be KINO, it's where we get the Thin Red Line and Charge of the Light Brigade, which is when white Brits were at their peak, but idk if Perry makes Crimean war range, I haven't checked. You'd be killing Russians and Greeks, but that's close enough to a brown horde

>>96170199
That's a really interesting period, you could try something like Ga Pa for the rules, there's a few more suggestions here:
https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/24738/the-great-northern-war-1700-21

I know War by Sail covers the naval war too.

>>96177267
>Normans ending slavery vs Late Romans buying Gothic children in exchange for rotting meat

We are not the same

>>96179777
Thank you anon! I'll check it Gå På, seems interesting.

Is this set of rules a good way of playing a casual beer and pretzels type game of ACW? Not looking to recreate any battles, just have some fun small battles

Any recommendations for submarine wargaming?

>>96187060
Harpoon is pretty legit, requires 2 players and a referee, but well worth it.

Anyone have a pdf for Osprey's: Dutch Armies of the 80 Years' War 1568-1648?

>>96184502
Good luck anon!

>>96156293
>>96156306
>>96156320
>>96156329
>>96156336
Very nice Anon.

>>96175635
>no counter argument
Concession accepted, loser.

>>96188303
https://www.mediafire.com/file/f7qglf44yrfemt5/men-at-arms-510-dutch-armies-of-the-80-years-war-1568-1648.pdf/file

How did Warlord Games become so big? They consistently sell inferior products for every one of their periods.

>>96189026
Thank you anon!

>>96189289
Do you want 2 as well?
https://www.mediafire.com/file/kvwwj44zmgvnoud/Dutch+Armies+of+the+80+Years’+War+1568–1648+(2).pdf/file

Anyone know the best place to get some New Kingdom Egyptians (preferably who also sell opponents for them to match design style)?

>>96190332
New Line Designs
Peter Pig
Both great options but 10 and 15mm
Best opponents imho are Hittites because you also get Canaanites and Libyans just like with NK you get Sherden and Nubians so it becomes a bit of a regional bash.
Underrated period and imho underrated opponents are the Midianites - pre Islamic Bedouin camel raiders who basically harrassed the shit out of Egyptian trade caravans.

>>96184502
>>96179777
>Gå På

Who sells these rules? Any scans?

>>96190720
Gå På second edition is on Lulu. The rules PDF costs pennies but the army lists are apparently only available as a pricey paperback.

>>96185553
I just use OHW + scenarios

My old man is in his mid 60s and is looking for a hobby to get into now that he's thinking about retirement. He's been a lifelong model hobby builder (mainly WW2 tanks) and I am thinking Bolt Action might be a good thing we can get into together.
He has very little experience of modern TTWG and most of my experience is in WG products (MESBG, 40k).
How hard would it be to try and teach a 65yo man BA?

>>96191632
Bolt Action is pretty easy to learn. Basically a GW system.

>>96192186
BA is easy but is still quite a lot of required reading
Its not as confusing as it was in 2nd but its still just quite alot for even the base rules

>>96190720
Some old scans, with basic lists.

https://gofile.io/d/FJgaSp

>>96188462
Why are you interested in arguing? Are you a faggots or a woman?

Has the UK getting range banned completely killed this general?

>>96197837
No because that hasn’t happened to us

>>96196527
Thank you anon.

My latest batch of perfidious Ukrainian soldiers to battle my Russian patriots

>>96198811
Don't forget to give them the color ribbons. Did all the R*zzians use red or was that just the Donbabweans?

>>96200994
Yeah I'm gonna give them yellow. I'm doing 2022 era because it was the most kino before this gay FPV drones attritional war slop. In this case the main Russian ground forces and VDV wore white ribbons primarily

>>96201181
I can just see H.G. Wells complaining about how Little Wars isn't fun anymore now that he has to account for this gay trench warfare attritional slop.

>>96196845
>unable to argue your point
>resorts to insults and absurdism
>then calls someone else a woman
Lol.

Lmao, even.

Need to do some more weathering on them, but I've added some LRDG trucks to my Brits alongside the SAS jeeps. There's some walkers over in /awg/ too.

>>96204372
Who is driving them?

>>96204410
The guys who set up the camera.

Anyone got a copy of Black Seas: Hold Fast? My group is trying out some games before we commit

>>96204372
if you're determined to fdm prints, either work more on sanding print lines or don't use drybrush.
it looks bad.

Travelling to the UK next month, unfortunately I'll miss Britcon by a day but are there any wargaming things to visit in the UK? I know GW and Warlord has a big location you can sortta tour. Or any stores worth checking out?

>>96206270
Invest in one of these before you do

Just picked up a box of battlefronts plastic Cold War US infantry. What’s your guys favorite 15mm Cold War gone hot rules? Preferably something easier to learn because I might be teaching a friend to play as well

>>96208076
What scale? Platoon, company, battalion?

>>96208076
I really like 7 Days to the River Rhine. I personally play it in 6mm to make the ground scale make a bit more sense, but it's written out the box for 15, and does a good job of being fairly quick and easy will still feeling period appropriate.

>>96208088
Probably gonna start with just a company per side, but eventually work up to 2 companies

If anyone grabs the BA Great Britain book, I offer cat pictures in exchange for the PDF

How does Helion & Company compare to Osprey?

Looking to make terrian. Do you guys DIY? I saw a video on using a carpet square and sprinkling some grass fibers to make a plowed field. Is that pretty standard way of doing it?

Do you guys have any other DIY terrians that a newbie could try out?

>>96210824
There are many tutorials on the internet and in books. The techniques used for model railroad layouts are also good for wargame scenery.

>>96210503
>BA Great Britain book
Please, buy and upload it

>>96210977
Unfortunately, if I buy it, I'll get the physical copy from my shop rather than a digital from Warlord.

>>96210503
Also been waiting to see about any uploads, that and iron coffins for ap, since ap seems like a pretty solid ruleset with some pretty good campaign rules and options, but the base game just lacks QUITE alot of tanks (for some reason the base rules has almost all shermans, even russian shermans, but not even like the later valentines or even the m3 lee)

>>96211020
There was an anon who uploaded tge books for Germany and the USA a few weeks ago and said we could count on him for Britain when it released, I'll wait for him to come around

>>96211287
>count on him for Britain when it released,
Not when released but when a copy will be available somewhere...

>>96210824
Yes I'm the guy that makes the occasional terrain general. I love making terrain. I actually have made a plowed field using brown carpet tiles, and it looks very good. Unfortunately I'm currently moving between houses so all my stuff is (carefully) packed in boxes. You can make almost anything yourself, it's very easy and fun.


pic unrel

what would be the best mass battle rules for 10th-12th centuries? like, rise of the normans, early crusades etc.

>>96214165
>pic unrel
Thanks, I knew this table from afar and had no idea it used cheap chinese kits. I'll look into it.

>>96201181
2022 was a crazy time for watching the news because you never knew what was going to happen and when things did happen they were crazy.

Ironically though the later stages are really good for wargaming as a setting because the forces involved in an engagement can range from a squad on each side to a few dozen soldiers, just like 28mm plus games. Its almost like trench crusade where little units just run into each other prowling around a huge no mans land during a frozen conflict

>tfw paralysed by too many choices when it comes to rules

holy shit how do historical gamers ever get projects beyond the planning step? I'm stuck trying to work out if I want to play Wars of the Roses as my first non-WW2 project with multibased minis and use some sets of rules, or base them individually and use others. Then even if I pick one or the other there's questions, like do I do a multibased system with single diorama bases like Midgard, or multiple bases for formation changes like Hail Caesar. Or if I do an individual based system do I base commanders like everyone else for something like WAB, or make command bases for NMTB.

>>96220138
Just commit to one project for one set of rules. Trying to be flexible just leads to burning out.

>>96220138
You can always put single minis on a movement tray, or have some single based for skirmishing and others multibased.

>>96156293
do you have a photo booth for your minis?

>>96175621
I think individual base can work for any game sub 100 models as long as you have movement trays.

I like my little 100 years war guys next to my desk. Now I just need someone to play with :( (Live on a small island)

>>96210503
Available in Rick Roll Trove
https://mega.nz/fm/3kxWDKbR

I want cats

>>96225633
Link corrected
https://mega.nz/file/jkZXmBZb#hezBpBP3yqyMkZuyZiiywQfNCxPO5gmhMGivw9zDRvE

>>96225633
>>96225664
Many thanks to you, anon. Have a Bucky.

>>96225790
Follow up: Nicky

>>96224957
No, I just use a sheet of paper and use my desk lamp. Should have a better lamp though since this one flickers on my phone but increasing the brightness to max solves it.

What should I use for barbed wire that looks good at 28mm scale? I've seen various products, is one in particular good, it is there a good easy in-home alternative?

New Warlord Soviet Infantry looks nice.. And it was about time they replaced the old kit. Next is hopefully the Japanese.

>>96228155
I'm more happy with the plastic Katyusha

>>96228307
What's up with the loader tho?

>>96228349
That's my friend Piotr, be nice

>>96228374
Piotr must have been in alcohol induced coma when they were teaching about human body proportions.

Thoughts on Spectre? Just seen they've put out a more generic set of rules for pre-modern time periods going back to medieval. Know it's been praised in previous editions, but wondering if anyone enjoys the current system?

>>96228425
A common occurrence in artillery, or so I've heard.

>>96228155
I don't know how warlord does it but the soviets they painted look so boring, they look like reenactors half-assing their job....they'll look better once i've got my hands on them though obviously

>>96228988
Coma?

>>96228425
How dare you insult Comrade Stalin's vodka naps!

>>96228155
the faces look bad again, but again i think this is still just a case of the studio painter not doing faces well
Besides that, it looks like an overall upgrade from the old soviet infantry
And while i actually prefer the summer uniforms, im surprised they didnt do the winter infantry since theyre on a winter streak for infantry

>>96231666
I think their logic was that the Soviet winter kit exists already, even if it's dated.

>>96231732
so does the basic soviet infantry kit
This isnt (really) new, this is more or less an update (like the us rangers)
Like i said im ultimately fine with that it just feels weird having the starter box release with 2 new winter infantry sets, and the next release being the british winter infantry, would have expected soviet winter infantry update more (but ultimately, i think their summer uniforms look a bit nicer AND are more versatile)
The katyusha is pretty weak though, and is blown out of the water by the rubicon one (i think they should have gone for another armored car, or yknow, something more common like the bt-5/7 , one of the td's like the su85 or isu122, or just one of the weird early tanks like the t28)

>>96228307
its serviceable
I definitely think its a downgrade from the ab41 they just released, and more importantly it pales in comparison to the rubicon one

>>96225633
Have a wargame cat.
Ayla helps me playtest the new Ostfront edition and likes to crunch British command sections, tearing off the balsa wood bases. Hence why I often have to use cardboard flats for testing...

She is known to roll a 9 on a D8 too. Quite skilled.

>>96223307
This. It's not obvious in this (old, but it's what I have saved) picture, but these are on a combination of 'element' and individual plasticard bases to accommodate casualty removal in necessary rulesets. So for instance I'll have a back rank of a pair and two singles for the '4 model to a base' units.

>>96224984
NZ?

>>96215303
I like Field of Glory, and it's free: http://bloodsandsteel.blogspot.com/p/fog-31-resources.html

> soviet winter infantry
hopefully they update these too. A 1/56 Katy on a 6x4 in 28mm is just sad, plastic or not. Frankly, the infantry kit is welcome but the rest looks pretty lackluster.

honestly couldn't care less about new Warlord WW2 kits now that Victrix have started making them obsolete in that period as well.

>>96235152
Victrix doesn't have any Japanese though.

>>96235232
>he doesn't play mirror matches with late war Germans

Is the Warhammer Great War rules worth trying for WW1? I'm struggling to find any other recommended rulesets desu

>>96235152
Victrix has 1 set of germans, and siocast brits.
You need a bit more for a full WW2 range.

>>96232255
I'm pretty sure that they will release an updated winter set for the soviets too. You are right with your thought about its a "winter streak" and it would have made sense to go with the winter set first, but they will do it eventually. (I hope the Japanese come first tho, it has always been their weakest infantry set).

>>96235270
They're not bad.

Other decent ones are 'Through the Mud and Blood', ironically enough Battlefront's "Great War" and Chain of Command has a World War I conversion in one of the Lard magazines. Contemptible Little Armies isn't bad either, though it's a bit more abstracted.

Aside from that, I know Great Escape Games has 1914, there's Blood & Valor and Square Bashing, but YMMV.

>>96228926
Spectre Operations v2 is one of my favorite games, I still play it fairly regularly. Spectre Operations v3 (current version) is dogshite. They had to completely rewrite the rules once the v2 author left the company and took the rules license with him. The generic pre modern rules are cool in concept but part of what made Spectre great was the very specific and in depth hyper focus on modern warfare, also the rules and mechanics are very tailored to represent modern combat, so idk how they made them able to handle medieval combat and shit, it seems like a cheap cash grab.
I see a lot of people in the Spectre Facebook group playing the latest v3 and I can't help but feel embarrassed, they're the Warhammer fags who have to play the latest shit even if it's literally a different game system. Fortunately Spectre v2 still has a lot of players, arguably even more, especially if you add Asymmetric Warfare players (the name the author is currently publishing Spectre v2 rules under)

>>96235152
The new Victrix ww2 Germans have really odd proportions. I'd just use the Paul Hick's metals.

>>96236511
>The new Victrix ww2 Germans have really odd proportions.
Really? How so? Reviews tend to say they're amazing...yes yes, I know, but I haven't seen them-in hand so I don't have much else to go on yet.

>>96236511
Hello Hudson Adams

Anyone seen Mad For War floating about?
Or barring that WI 425 where the designer goes over the game?

Somewhere in upstate New York...

>>96238854
A force of oddly monochrome US Airborne infantry have been rushed in to counter a raid...

>>96238858
One of the repeated strikes by the British 8th Army, including elements of both the Special Air Service and the Long Range Prairie Group that's seen success in the Ohio River Valley finally meets opposition.

>>96238862
The Yanks and the Brits found themselves both rushing to claim this small, bombed out town. The British had numbers and mobility on their side, but the Americans had an advantage in firepower, especially after we figured out I'd gotten the number of shots for a Vickers K wrong.

>>96238873
The most memorable moment was when an American fighter bomber mistook the Americans' CO and his escorts for British troops and did an attack run on them, scoring no kills but forcing them to hit the deck, which was followed by a British infantry squad charging them and finishing them at bayonet point.

>>96238885
There was also the moment the Boys AT rifle mounted on the universal carrier hit and killed an exposed American artillery officer.

In the end, the result was a draw, both sides having taken heavy losses and each controlling two objectives. While the British can't afford to lose momentum in their invasion of New England, they are at least achieving their principle aim of drawing troops away from their allies in the Confederacy fighting along the Mississippi.

Mini batrep over.

>Pillage kicking off strong in my area
It is very neat. While not Pike and Shotte, at this rate I'll take anything that's not GW slop and so I'm interested.
Are the Irish in the game? I assume it's very western Europe focused.

>>96239058
>Pillage
Real shame that uses AI art.

>>96239064
Disgusting. Those guys from Dune had the right idea.

>>96239064
I'm not that bothered by it.

>>96239069
Now, when it's mixed in with hand drawn art. But you give people an in, and they'll push it further. You don't want to end up with Horus Heresy and have AI generated rules.

>>96239087
HH is very human designed. To be evil.
Only a human could be so heartless as to say if the company doesn't sell that specific thing it should not exist.

>>96239091
>HH is very human designed
People have run it through AI detection software and it usually returns a 70% to 90% chance of being AI generated.

>>96239099
Now I hate AI as much as any god-emperor fearing supporter of the Kwisatz Haderach, but I'd be curious what those software say about wargame rules text in general. Like if you put the original HH rulebook through the same, I wonder if it'd call that machine slop too, since rulebook text is generally very formulaic and can feel mechanical and that software is probably optimized for prose.

>>96239171
Well HH3 is almost completely devoid of prose, contradictory in it's rules, and overly complicated/unclear with new mechanics/systems.

>>96239171
>>96239191
From /hhg/

>>96185553
Remembered this from a youtube channel I occasionally revisit. I remember he did a a few others at some point too (Men Who Would Be Kings was one, I recall). Just in case it helps.
https://youtu.be/IoNi8Y5xTV8?feature=shared

>>96239201
>>96239191
Its interesting, but to draw any kind of conclusion, there should be comparisons between other rulebooks and codcies, like Codex Space Marine 9th vs 10th, Rulebook 9th vs 10th etc, to see if those percentages the HH book gets are usual or not.

>>96239201
That's also a long-running complaint across so many of their systems though. And probably not coincidentally, tracks with the rise of the Competitive Srs Bzns Player, some of which will have either moved into rules writing or heavily influenced (by moaning) those who do. Squeaky Wheel and all that. Don't forget that tournaments are the reason we have the infamy of WRG Barkerese in the first place.
It's mildly ironic to see American-dominated sites complain about dry, legalistic rulebooks when that was often the impression of US rules back when I started. Not all, of course (I have fond memories of a very nicely written air combat book), but it did tally across a number of wargames and RPG's. I did sometimes wonder if writing in 'human' was one reason GW started to do so well there.

>>96239741
>Barkerese

This form of English is delightfully conversational compared to rules made by much bigger companies, DBA, DBR and HFG are all good rules sets and easy to learn...HOTT might be a game you can use for anything. It has the best reading list of any game I have ever seen.

WRG 6th edition was the real Barkerese because itwas that fanzine style plus super granular rules.

Only boomer exploits are around lining elements up which is resolved by either using HOTT or a gridded table or being a nice chap.

>>96239983
To be fair to Phil, every time he wrote about THAT writing style he always seemed quite open that he had to do it for the tourney circuit; it wasn't his personal preference.
Agree about the DB family although I was never sure of the 'taste' of -R. Had some marvellous campaigns with M, too... I've never had a good time playing 6th though. Maybe it was the match-ups or the old guy who was trying to demo it to me (been playing the series since before I was even born, so knew all the tricks but couldn't turn them off. Assuming you knew all the ins and outs of a ruleset/period was actually a blind spot of his with anything he tried to rope newbies into) but it was always like pulling teeth.

>>96239064
I don't give a fuck. It was a passion project made by literally one single dude. If I made my own game I wouldn't hire a bunch of art fags to fill up my book either. The author did the artwork for the book himself and then used AI to enhance it, which is totally understandable for a non artist to do

>>96238858
This is why bolt action players get a bad rep.

>>96240773
Normally I'd contradict you, but I played him a few weeks back too and they weren't painted then either.

>>96240981
This made no sense. What i was trying to say was that he hadn't made any painting progress in two weeks.

>>96241233
We all get those periods. I'm in one now. Get all my stuff out, stare at the desk for a few minutes, and then pack it all away again. I hate it, but clearly my heart's not in it for whatever reason (life in general, really).
That said, give yer lad a bit of encouragement. Even just as subtle as "I'm really interested in seeing where you take these". Appealing to someone's inner peacock sense can work wonders.

>>96241292
Will probably do. I'm not much for painting but even I like getting compliments over my models

>>96239058
>Are the Irish in the game
Yes. The Irish and Scots use the same list, their theme is large numbers of unarmoured bods with spears and slings or javelins. And wardogs, wardogs are really good. I've got another batrep coming, saxons vs vikings.

>>96238854
>>96238858
>>96238862
>>96238873
>>96238885
>>96238890
I ken your passionate anon, but this is really more an AWG game than HWG. Especially as your using K47 units in this campaign.

>>96170199
>>96175618
GNW is my one true love. Personally I like Twilight of the Sun King the best (it's written as a generic early 18th century ruleset but with GNW really being the core conflict it's built around, rather than the usual WSS with GNW bolted on), but I do actually rate Maurice as a pretty good system to do Great Northern War with as well. Might&Reason a little less so, it's a bit too SYW even with variant rules. Aside from those and Gå På, Beneath the Lily Banners is another ruleset worth looking at, though I would say that is more geared towards WSS than GNW.

>>96242049
Patrician post. From picture to rules, everything is kino.

>>96240981
Were you man enough to ask him about it or made a snide comment? Or did you reinforce his bad behavior by providing him a game without, at minimum, a remark?

>>96241292
Can't relate. Any models I get I immediately paint and then I have nothing to paint so I get bored waiting for new models to come in the mail so I build terrain.

>>96224984

Which small island? Any game stores nearby?

Picked up Squad Leader: Cross of Iron for $5 the other day. Is it worth getting Squad Leader or should I just skip it and go right to Advanced? I've never played a game like this before but don't mind slow turns and looking up rules as I go.

1488th Memetic Warfare Squadron reporting in.

Global psyops operational.
Frogs in formation.
Shitposts deployed.
Everything's alt-right.

We never sleep. We just meme.
Godspeed, anons. o7

>Local "historical wargaming" group in my area
>Go to one of their meetups
>literally just Bolt Action

>>96243315
Better or worse than having no LGS historicals within 2 hours of driving?

>>96244208
Worse. No games are better than shit games

>>96241325
We aren't actually using K47 units, I just happened to buy that mech after the last game. It's also not a proper campaign, just my autism compelling me to come up with elaborate backstory to justify a US vs Britain game.

Alternate history Bolt Action games will still get posted here, but if I have K47 stuff involved once that launches it'll go in /awg/

anyone have the the new chain of command edition? i want to see how it compares since its supposed to actually be alot more readable with a nicer layout than 1st.
Also still requesting iron coffins for AP!

>>96243161
>Is it worth getting Squad Leader or should I just skip it and go right to Advanced?

Only the mounted mapboards are worth keeping from SL.

Go right to ASL, it's far more complete and it's easier to find opponents.

The problem with ASL it's his entry point, money, materiel and rules level.
So you can try ASL Starter Kit... if you can find one of the four volumes
Each box is a stand alone.
They should be reprinted soon... or maybe not so soon...
Try it with Vassal or tabletop simulator until you catch one.

Any good games set in the French and Indian War?

>>96247910
I haven't played it but I'm interested in Musket and Tomahawks. I watched Last of the Mohicans recently and wanted to do a very small French and Injun project.
Silver Bayonet is an interesting idea too if /awg/ interests you

>>96243315

Show up with your preferred game, complete with two armies, rulebook, dice and all tokens and accessories. Ask who wants to try it out.

or

Just cry about it.

>>96247910

The Fire on the Frontier expansion for Blood and Plunder is set partially during the FIW. Looks like it plays well.

I think The trove has the Blood and Plunder rules
Battle reports to see the rules in action.

https://youtu.be/fYIujKRkrjQ?si=dN7ekWHW8Qp1aHs7

https://youtu.be/fYIujKRkrjQ?si=dN7ekWHW8Qp1aHs7

https://youtu.be/Z6IzfUg69Qs?si=kpAhv-A_ACvfyRFi

>>96248493
No thanks, I'll stick to playing with family members

>>96248114
Yeah I started collecting both a French set of figures and a British set for this. Can't get anything to do with the first edition anywhete but managed to get hold of all the second edition stuff. Rules read well but unsure on the "game within the game" system with the hand of cards.

>>96248626
Thanks anon, will check it out!

>>96239064
Im there for the game not the rule book art. Seeing the buzz around this from people who normally dont give a shit about historicals is nice.

>>96218668
This war is peak for wargaming
>Small unit sizes let even 28mm battles be authentic
>Equipment used ranges from pre-ww1 to top of the line
>Shit like atvs and motorcycles used on the frontline
>Mad max style vehicles for scratch building
>Small units have bonkers variety, ranging from french monarchists to pagan neonazis to redditors
>Anime bodypillows are historical
>Individual soldiers customize their kit
>Melee combat
Only thing missing, from wargaming perspective, is different camo patterns for each side

>>96250648
It literally has everything. Air assaults, amphibious assaults/small boat river craft, Island assaults, small scale trench warfare, dogged urban battles from small villages to bunkers to tunnels to large apartment blocks, special ops teams in ghillie suits ambushing a hundred kilometers behind enemy lines, massive tank battles, small tank battles, penal colony meat waves to small special forces precise raids, etc.

You're right about uniform variety, but that's why I like to paint my Russians in early war Ratnik gear for the distinctive Russian look and Ukrainians in their classic MM14 pattern. I think everyone is just wearing multicam slop now because all their unique uniforms are covered in bullet holes and it's easier to buy tons of multicam clones from China than to keep producing their native uniforms

>>96250750
>>96250648

Does anyone make North Korean troops for Ukraine conflict?

>>96251129
They wore Russian uniforms, so just use some 20mm Russians and paint their faces yellow

>>96251369
I bet they felt like supersoldiers wearing all that modern gear

>>96250750
You should get some ladas, golf carts and electric scooters for your Russian suicide assault teams.

>>96251632
Haha that would be funny! This is /hwg/ though, so I'll leave the redditor fantasy stuff to /awg/

>>96251923
Go back to discord you tranny and pretend you ziggers still have T90s.

>>96251946
Damn it didn't take much for you to out yourself as a /uhg/ NAFO pol tard kek

>>96251632
Imagine losing to electric scooters

>>96251969
>unironically using NAFO
Spotted the third-worlder. Just two more weeks for the 3 day special operation!

>>96252021
Imagine losing to camel herders wearing sandals.

>>96252041
Embarrasing indeed but somehow the US still managed

>>96245476
https://mega.nz/file/UQIxRSRI#82EULfs05BmsF_qqVPyIVrfc1_IknGBTvu33REy-8qw

>>96252059
Post the webms of dead American servicemen then. Oh wait, Americans don't leave their fallen to rot or get packed into cubes. Russians are faggots that all suck cock and get fucked in the ass.

>Can't even post my latest project without maladjusted /pol/niggers having an autistic chimp out
Many such cases

Any of you guys using a 3D printer?
What projects are you working on?

Has anyone found a scan of pic related?

>>96242049
Anon who originally asked about GNW, thank you! Gonna look through all these to see how they compare.

Do any of you all have particular favourite styles of multibasing? currently trying to settle on how I want to do my first multibased army for WOTR, coming from having always done individual basing. Want it to be aesthetic as hell

>>96165636
This >>96167427 and this >>96167442 but place them on the Internet archive for people to get use out of.

>>96252710
Individually based on 20mm circles, then played in a tight formation movement tray.

>>96250750
What ruleset?

>>96252376
Got it 3 days ago and just made some tests.
Plan to build a modular hexes terrain.
Print, paint and flock these tiles will take time.

>>96252376
I've been trying to 3d print some Vickers MGs for Bolt Action. The resin ones were fragile enough they shattered coming off the supports, and the FDM ones just didn't look any good. I'm now considering buying metals.

>>96256129
>The resin ones were fragile enough they shattered coming off the support

Use different resin (more flex) or be more careful, simple as that.

For Pillage, would it be appropriate to use gallowglass models for my armoured Irish? Or is that too modern.

>>96252376
>>96256129

3mm pike & shot test, that morning.
FDM is better for terrain.
Resin gives good minis but it's a bit painful to manage in an apartment.

>>96256244
Can someone post the Pillage PDF?
Also Gallowglass are aesthetically cool as hell. It's funny they were still wearing mail skirts when everyone else was using full plate harness and firearms

>>96256482
>Can someone post the Pillage PDF?
Rick Astley has uploaded it for you:
https://mega.nz/folder/78pF0CYI#Jc2IO8IQVwRDP1Chwr_iGA

>>96256482
Irish stuff was always about lightweight SPEED and hit and run. Im waiting for the physical copy to arrive, Ill scan it if I can get access to a scanner.
>irish faction gets no heavy hitters and cant do shield walls, and armour is super expensive, but gets free javelins, spears, improvised weapons and slings, so they just have to pay the base unit cost for a unit that has a decent weapon
Is there a unit cap? I didnt see anything about that from what I glanced, seems the strat with this faction is to spam lightweight stuff so you can hit the "add a chieftan for every 20 models" where you just aimed to have a bunch of special ability guys outfitted in expensive stuff.

>>96256647
They also uniquely get free spears which means that instead of shield walls and heavy armour you play like MESBG where if a spear is behind a friendly unit they give stat bonuses/negative effects to the engaged enemy.

>>96256604
Uhh... Did they really include a tranny in the rulebook?

>>96256244
It would be more accurate to use Vikings, or kitbash with Vikings. The Irish adopted the Dane axe and mail coat for nobles, but notably wore a leine rather than shirt and trousers and remained barefoot because Ireland was basically subtropical rainforest and wearing shoes was a great way to slip and break your neck (there are accounts of island men soaking their shoes in sea water daily). Gallowglass is basically a Renaissance figure, the helm and polearms will stick out.

Culturally the Irish tended to view armour as unmanly, but a helm as common sense and a buckler as an offensive weapon, but by the battle of Clontarf, Irish armies would have adopted the Dane axe extensively as well as using Norwegian merceneries. Javelins, slings and a hereditary bronze short sword passed down through families were also popular.

Vikings occupying Ireland had actually moved more to the sword, a real status weapon, backed with spears.

But yes hit and run was the order of the day.

>>96256647
>Im waiting for the physical copy to arrive, Ill scan it if I can get access to a scanner.
Are you retarded?

>>96256901
Did I miss something?

>>96256945
There's a PDF mate

>>96256725
I thought as much. The Irish of this period just seem to be wearing differnt color tunics which is kindof boring compared to every other faction, I wanted something a bit more distinct looking to work around.

Where is the line between /hwg /and /awg/
Alt history-no one would claim cold war gone hot is later, but what if divergence is bigger, like 2acw something like kaiserreich or timeline 191 or even imaginations
Units-rare units, war ready versions of prototype (think su-47), stuff that never left paper, fully-fictional but grounded, things that make sense for scenerio that never happened irl (militias for nato/wp), or purely hypothetical things like rods from God and exoskeletons
Where do you draw the line?

>>96257069
I only paid for the hardback, I wanted the book for reference on the table. Seems I saved myself some money too, the PDF is in this thread, didnt know it was even out there already.

>>96257080
I believe theres a clear line between having British WW2 soldiers who arent wearing entirely historically accurate uniforms where one is wielding an experimental gun, and British soldiers who are wearing made up uniforms mixed with plate armour and are all wielding that experimental gun. The aim is accuracy, but minor deviation is where you can get flavour, too much and you make slop.

>>96257071
Do not buy these dogshite WGA Irish sculpts

>>96257291
I wouldve bought them primarily for the cheap hounds, any suggestions for the guys?

>>96257347
Victrix and Footsore are both much higher quality than WGA.

>>96189277
Thy used to be good, started off with paul hicks stuff way back, their core games offered plastics back when it was still almost unheard for non-GW, also easy to pick up rules sets. not the best but customisable and mini-agnostic.

The rot set in with antares, suddenly all their ''core'' games took a back set, they started selling random shite like boardgames and inflatable tanks shells, things were still fine with them buying in superior ranges to sell, then it really went downhill with them pushing judge dredd/2000ad despite numerous reboots, trying to reinvent warhammer with rick priestly but releasing the most dogshit boring fantasy game ever.

Now we have them pushing their own shitty scale game, and they've brought on two new sculptors one of which is decent but always gets the scale wrong and the newest guy who should honestly be fired, we have finecast 2.0 to save money. Ranges bought up and released in drips years later, more 2000ad nobody wants and shitty books because they literally try to pay guys in miniatures.

...All in a bid to pump up share prices so when airfix inevitably buys them up stallard makes bank.

TL DR: Ex-gw guys do a gw for historical (not realising the unique ip is the only thing keeping gw afloat) and fail.

>>96257403
The Victrix aren't evenout yet, the WGA kit is fine for rising out and Kerns.

>>96257467
Totally mentally ill take on the world's second biggest company, they are doing very well.

>the guy deranged about Warlord is also the guy deranged about Wargames Atlantic

Quelle surprise

>>96225664
Anyone have the US book?

>>96257611
The poster didn't ask about warlord doing well, they asked why their current releases are shit and I answered.

>>96257611
Also, ''world's second biggest company''?

...They aren't even the second biggest miniature company lol. I've no doubt their financial health is grand, but their quality days are behind them, the abc warrior game was on sale before the pre-orders had ended (iirc someone on here said something like they got 3 preorders for their initial run of 2/3000 starter sets.)

I dare you to tell me pic related (released recently) is good.

>>96257403
Reckon using their germans will do? Their poses are a bit more varied than the gaellic ones and everyone is wearing shoes so they arent even accurate..

>>96257734
>Anyone have the US book?
Yep, Rick Astley, you can find it not far in that thread.

>>96257883
>the abc warrior game was on sale before the pre-orders had ended (
Ugh, I remember that one. They wanted something like £70 for 8 rather sub-par minis and a rather meh rule set. Tbh I would have bought some 2000ad stuff if they had charged a reasonable price for it, but £22.50 for 3 mid 2000's era sculpts was a joke and a half.

>>96258459
Thank you, not sure how I missed that

>>96256706

Don't be stuck in the old days, bro.
The world has changed, and thank God there are a lot of trannies in the wargaming community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qauxQRe7Hzw&t=9s

>>96258518
what really got me is the previous iteration of judge dredd minis by warlord looked so much better.

Now they are doing the same with the ww2 plastics, winter yanks/falschirmjager had great options and no pouches molded on so you could do officers/support crew/smg's, now the winter brits and new soviets are back on that bullshit.

>>96256706
See, theres always something. Woke game, time to contact Arch so he can run airstrikes on this project. Wheres the chud games though, seriously.

>>96256706
Who gives a fuck? Throat a shotgun faggot

>>96259500
Yee. I like that they do plastic ww2 stuff, whilst it's not the best they where for a long time the only ones to produce plastic multi part ww2 minis. There's other companies getting in on the scene now, but Warlords still has the best range. It's just a pity they want to go the full jewdubs route.

>>96259527
Without getting too /pol/ here, cancelled. If it doesn't toe the purity spiral line then it doesn't get made, though hopefully the tide is turning.
All that said, Pillage is not a political game, its a historical game, and it's good fun. All good games divorce themselves from the retarded woke vs chud culture spazzfight

>>96259567
I mean, Trench Crusade is called woke exactly because it tried to get away from culture war shit, people came in and were upset the community and creators werent pandering to them, even though there is nothing woke in the game itself. It seems that unless you are expressedly anti woke, you are woke, apparently.

>>96256706
It's fun because I remember this picture from a French magazine (Vae Victis) review and I stood there for a minute wondering if it was a tranny or a really ugly broad. This magazine invite high schoolers and uni students to wargame initiation events every two month so there's usually a young but mixed crowd featured in.

>>96256706
The author and his wife (just married)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYD_7J_YJV0

https://pianowargames.de/collections/austria-stl-bundles
Not really sure which bundle to get for a first bundle along with a French one
The Alps Aflame gives you Austrian line infantry whereas the other one gives you Hungarian line infantry
It seems The Alps Aflame would give you all you need for a division but then you miss out on the fun of painting different cavalry units
Am I correct in understanding that the grenadiers fought together in battalions unlike the French?
Why does he paint the Hungarians as being so ruddy btw?

>>96257080
My personal take is that it becomes /awg/ when you have units that never would've existed in real life. So the US vs Britain Bolt Action game i posted upthread, while very ahistorical, is still /hwg/ because it's just real infantry and vehicles fighting an unrealistic conflict. But if I'd taken all the stuff I've rigged up for Konflikt 47 in my Brits, it'd be /awg/ material

>>96259802
Wtf I thought French girls were supposed to be cute!

>>96260076
>pajeets in power armor
>historical
Lmao

>>96260150
Those weren't on the table, try to keep up.

>>96256198
I got another guy to print them for me and I don't want to go back to him like "hey, i broke the tripods on those MGs" so what I'm going to do is print out some low walls of sandbags and just have the guns resting on them. It's not quite right, but it's close enough.

>>96257080
Imaginations are more historical than Alt-History in my book.
No, I won't explain myself.

>>96258524
>european hands posted this meme....

>>96259464
That is gross.
Hard to watch, even.
There is nothing good that this kind of person does for the hobby ...the dude is just making a scene and getting giggles.
These are real-life internet trolls, and you are supporting them.

>>96259678
>I stood there for a minute wondering if it was a tranny or a really ugly broad.
You know...I am starting to think T's exist to undercut ugly women from getting any romance or chance at relationships.
...is this social warfare?

I mostly have Victrix, but I also have some WGA and Fireforge. Victrix look noticably taller, are they closer to 32mm or are the other ones smaller? On the Victrix offical website it says they are 28mm scale.

I am thinking of ordering some resin printed Medberry figures and I want them to match Victrix and the seller offers 28mm and 32mm options. Which should I go for?

>let's talk only about things we don't like including some dude's wife just to change it up
>scalefaggotry and basing autism

Biggest pseud threadon the whole website going.

>>96257974
Why wouldn't you just use Dark Age Irish and some Norse as discussed? We have done this before...

>>96257883
Wrong, they sell a few thousand of one tank per month alone. Epic scale, for its quirks, has been a huge success.

Friends looking at running a Barons War campaign. After playing I have noted that shooting seems rather strong, even if 2e claims to have fixed this. There's also a weird "10% of your points must be spent on green troops" tax. Anyone else's thoughts on it?

>>96257080
I would say that the line is crossed when you use units that could never face each other chronologically, or using tech that has never been built and at least tested a few times.

Like the Su-47 existed, there was a prototype built and flown, it could theoretically go up against an F-16 or two, provided you give it some weapons (Rule of cool!), but I think if you had like 30 Su-47s vs. 30 F-16s, people are going to experience some 'wtf' factor.

Units that never existed would definitely be a no-go, nazi mechs, ww1 helicopters or zombie zulus. Also matching like samurai vs. 1980s Iraqis is going to raise some eyebrows and people probably won't consider it really historical.

People start getting surprised at even existing new tech however, so imagine 10 years ago you played a game with mass drones and those lockheed martin HULC exoskeletons that allow soldiers to carry 200 lbs of equipment, as well as mass UGVs. The tech existed, it was around, but no one had really used it en masse before (not until Nagorno Karabakh in 2020 do we see mass drones used, or at least big drones to take out tanks). So people seeing these conflicts on the table would probably call "sci fi" even though the tech exists, they'd say "yeah but nobody actually USES it yet".
Now, 10 years later using mass drones in a game, people just think of Ukraine and it's pretty well accepted in the popular understanding of "what's used in militaries".

Any oldfags here that want to do the bi-monthly painting challenge again?

>>96262616
Fuck yeah. I used to run some of the challenges, it would be good to bring them back.

>>96262628
Should we choose between four or three choices to keep it simple?

>>96261599
>Why wouldn't you just use Dark Age Irish
Because as its always said, those models look terrible. Victrix are doing a new irish range for this game by the way.

>>96262640
4, say
>Artillery
>Command
>Elite
>Line/regular
As a starting point, then get more detailed with the options as momentum is built. Those are generic enough that anyone can get involved initially.

>>96262738
Someone here was railing against their late Romans, like ok maybenot an exciting set or as many options as Victrix but honestly mine turned out ok. I ended up getting both and even the scale difference wasn't massive.

Many of you guys would behapier printing and tightly controlling every detail.

Stephen Smith doesn't care
https://youtu.be/k078JQ9neUU?feature=shared

He just mixes em all in

>>96160784
When I was 10 I asked my parents for Franco-Prussian war toy soldiers and was silently disappointed when they got me pewter napoleonics instead

>>96165636
Use them for scenario inspiration, just last week I played the battle of Vilosi/Hill 312 using Chain of Command

>>96257291
>>96262738
>nooooo don't buy the thing that's exactly what you want!!!
>instead buy seven other kits to combine bits from
>or subscribe to this kickstarter that might come out in five years
>NOOOO SAAAR DO NOT BUUUY SAAAAR NOOOOO
NTA, I don't understand some of you people. I keep seeing this type of sperging out so much in these threads. Want to explain to the class in detail what is so atrocious about these sculpts that you need to avoid them like the plague? Details seem sharp and the proportions aren't awful based on what I can see.

>a cool rule letting you represent a horde of infantry
>shaving 10pts off a list
How inspired Warlord, glad I never started 3rd

>>96261270
Hello Hudson Adams.
They're closer to 28mm, 32 mme look like giants next to them

>>96262418
If I was a Russian SSO commando behind enemy lines and captured this broad, unquestionable acts and war crimes would be committed

>>96263438
this, my historical games need to emulate ebin enemy at the gates

>>96263425
They are nogames, DA Irish is a handy kit

>>96263474
>BA
>historical
Bolt action is a Hollywood style WW2 game. Its molded after the idea of WW2 that boomers grew up on, it's not a true historical game.

>>96263497
>nogames
40k paypiggy ahh typa comment lmfao

>>96263515
Can you post what you're trying to say in English?

>>96263425
They have so little detail they just look bad is mostly the issue, Ive never seen a good paintjob with them because of this. Compared to the rest of their stuff in this range its just not very good and there are better alternatives.

>>96165636
Campaign maps get, I guess.

>>96263604
Is that the WGA Irish?

>>96263992
Yes, its from the sprue anon posted. Theres an odd lack of folds on the clothing that isnt in their other ranges so everything looks like its not very detailed. If youre on a budget they are perfectly fine, I dont want to seem like Im trying to write them off as worthless, they arent.

>>96263501
This is the best way to do historical models in my opinion. Stuff like the British uniform are ugly as sin, with simple flair based on real things wore but were not common it can look good.
>everyone has multiple bandoliers, is wearing scarves and fingerless gloves with more pouches than the average loadout on some of them
Its fine, just dont get stupid with it like give them different helmets and uniforms entirely.

>>96263604
Looka like PS2 graphics

>>96264042
>on a budget
Thats the thing though, WGA miniatures are higher cost per model than higher quality companies like Perry Miniatures and Victrix

>>96262954
Skip artillery and have cavalry/tank/mechanised.

>>96263604
>>96264042
Anon you're replying to here. Seeing them closer like this, I'll agree that they're kind of dull, especially the cloak. Not a dogshit affront to all creation though like the above anon made them seem.

>>96264231
Fair enough, I can see that (was going to do a 2mm battery if that git voted for)
I'll do the poll next bread

Are Warlord's releases always at the end of the month like the Britain book was?

>>96264544
Thanks man.

>>96263370
Bring it up at the next family event and be a real bitch about it.

>>96262418
Actually drones were first used in Donbass conflict, Ukraine pioneered it.
In the same war DNR used IS -3 tank

>>96263440
Those WGA figures look about the same. My Victrix Dark Age Late Romans tower over my WGA Goths.

>>96262418
The SU47 example is really just a rehash of the WW2 German player's desire for "what if" wunderwaffen though. Lord knows I've seen plenty of Maus inching their way across the tabletop and no-one really bats an eyelid - in moderation, of course.
The drones thing reminds me of the 'authors notes' bit in Dirtside 2 by GZG, about 25, 30? years ago? That the future of warfare was likely "autonomous drones shooting at each other across an empty battlefield", but that wouldnt give us interesting tables or pretty toys to paint and play with, so tanks and grunts it is.
Drones do have the advantage, for the ultramodern gamer, of finally explaining the wargamer's "god view" of the tabletop. How do you know about my hidden units? Well my drones spotted them, didn't they?

I've decided to go with Austrians for my first project and not French despite being a rabid Francophile because the uniforms seem more fun to paint on the Austrians

>>96270085
What time period?

Unrelated. Did some barbed wire.

>>96152029 (OP)
Is there a historical ancient/medieval skirmish game for around 30 models? basicly platoon level tactics for pre firearms.