I don't see why so many here dislike this game. I think it's easy to set up, and a lot of fun once it gets moving. Also, a lot of the third-party content is sick too. What's the deal?

>>96154657
Fip bip

>>96154657
Ok, I forgot about all the leftist shit the company bloats on about, so yeah you got me there. I mostly ignore that in this case, but it is annoying.

I like Pirateborg more, Black Powder & Brimstone is also a better *borg game

>>96154634 (OP)
>it's easy
doesn't mean it's good
>a lot fun
entirely subjective
>a lot of third-party content
so it's not good and other people had to maek it good for you to have fun with it.

>>96154634 (OP)
Easy games are plentiful. That one is ugly and needlessly difficult to read.

>>96154634 (OP)
How does it differ from any other osr slop besides aesthetics?

>>96154634 (OP)
... ok?

>>96156250
It's twice as unreadable and disorganise as a typical OSR.
Otherwise - same deal as always

>>96154657
Saved

kill all communists and globalists

>>96154634 (OP)
I also like it. It is simple to understand and run, and I also agree that the third party content is pretty great. I know a lot of people dont like the way it is presented, and I think thats a fair criticism that would probably bother me way more if the game was substantailly more robust in mechanics and rules, but that is not mork borg. I also think the artwork is pretty great. I think something that a lot of grognards can't comprehend is that for mork borg style is very much part of the substance; unlike most other generic OSR games and systems, the world of mork borg has such a distinct atmosphere and feeling and aesthetic that imagining what the world looks like when you're playing the game, or trying to come up with new content that is thematically appropriate or interpreting the more (intentionally) vague elements of the incredibly light worldbuilding in the rulebook, is incredibly easy. Its got a pretty vivid flavor to it, when you compare it to another equally-derided OSR game like Shadowdark I think its pretty easy to say which of the two games I can envision what being in the world would be like better (I also don't like Shadowdark that much, for other reasons). The fact that its infused with so much stylization actually makes it easier for me to envision and come up with concepts and ideas for the game, as I am primarily a solo gamer at the moment that is a giant boon for me. Also I personally am not someone who tends to play very complicated systems in general, I'll play in or run the occaisional pathfinder one-shot, so that doesn't really affect me. Also, I think if you get filtered by the book's layout (i.e. "I can't understand the rules because I can't read them"), that is a skill issue on your part, it really isnt that bad.
Also the culture war is dumb and the vast vast majority of people dont care, if someone has a different political position than you that doesnt automatically make everything they create inherently bad

>>96157196
>ackhually it’s SUPPOSED to look like shit to immerse you in how the world is shit!

>>96154657
FPBP, get fucked op

>>96157196
Also, there's a literally free version without the art if the colors and shit bother folks so badly. Yeah, I agree, though. Total skill issue. The art/atmosphere/lore is a big part of it for me. I just hate the fags now that are making it like some Joss Whedon zany shitfest now.

>>96157905
Thankfully you can simply ignore what other people do and play the game how you want, just like you can do for every other tabletop rpg.
>>96157221
Unironically yes. Generally when you make a piece of media that has a visual component to it have a style that is synchronous with its tone and themes, that is a good thing. And also, not all art needs to be accessible or pleasant to the eye or whatever. Imagine how stupid it would be to say that House of Leaves is bad because its presentation makes it difficult to read.

>>96154634 (OP)
>schoolshooterborg

>>96154634 (OP)
>What's the deal?
It's a game that's not D&D.

/tg/ has become so dominated by contrarians that it wraps back around to attacking any game that isn't already popular. While I haven't played M'o'rk Borg, any time I look for discussions of the games I have played, and enjoyed, then I fully expect /tg/ to shit on them for completely inane reasons that are so stupid I have to assume they've never played the game, and quite possibly not even read the rules.

Maybe not Delta Green. I don't even go into the Exalted general because last I looked in, they were spending all their time homebrewing out the best part of the game (the fun and deep combat system).

>>96157196
>I think something that a lot of grognards can't comprehend is that for mork borg style is very much part of the substance
It is for every game. GURPS THS is a future where people live like +50% as long, there hasn't been any WW3 or other mass deaths, there are SAI and colonizing Mars, and minimal democratic backsliding, but the artist drew it all dark and gloomy in the core so people think it's a depressing setting.

>>96158573
>It is for every game. GURPS THS is a future where people live like +50% as long, there hasn't been any WW3 or other mass deaths, there are SAI and colonizing Mars, and minimal democratic backsliding, but the artist drew it all dark and gloomy in the core so people think it's a depressing setting.
Oh yeah, compare to Eclipse Phase, a game named after the fact that humanity is living on borrowed time, where Earth and most of the population got eaten by alien supervirus-infected god AI, the "good guy" faction will turn you into a permanent exile for complaining about people fucking in public even though we invented post-scarcity so we don't actually NEED to use reddit points to allocate goods, there's an evil space virus that will basically destroy everyone, and you're working for the Prometheans who are totally not going to end up exactly like the last batch of god AI.

But Eclipse Phase has pretty art, even though it's pretty explicitly a horror setting, so people treat it differently.

>>96154925
Frontier Scum is also pretty solid.
If anything I like MB just because it helped push other games I like and that's good, like the opposite of 3e.

>>96158413
You are really bad at pretending to have intelligent opinions about art and game design. But please, I beg you, do continue doing this shit as often as possible. More people need to fully comprehend that mork borg is solely defended by pretentious retards like you, and not people with actual taste or substantive reasoning

>>96158573
>bitches about contrarians
>I haven't played it, but /tg/ dislikes it, so it must be good!

>>96158625
I didn't say that because /tg/ dislikes it, it was good. /tg/ dislikes ~every game, therefore it is useless as a barometer of whether a game is good or not.

>>96154634 (OP)
Refer to >>96154657, specifically the part labelled "phase 2", which deftly illustrates /tg/'s violent reaction to any game perceived as giving players that aren't the GM any kind of participation that isn't narrating the action of their PC. Whether mork borg actually does this is irrelevant, it is clearly some sort of artfag leftoid tranny book because it isn't a series of double column text pages in 6 point font.

>>96154634 (OP)
>morkbaiting
anon, bumpfag can barely keep a shadowdark bait thread going let alone fotm from 5 years ago.

>>96158750
Shadowdyke is pure shit tho

>>96158617
If you have an actual argument for why the game is bad beyond "it looks like shit" please do inform me, it would be nice to have an actual conversation about the merits of the game but people who constantly shit on it like you tend to just scream that its bad and then call anyone who disagrees a pretentious.

MB filters people hard.
That doesn't mean it's too good for them, I can't imagine why someone would intepret that but I know someone will. It's caustic and hard to read on purpose, they didn't accidentally make it look consistently like that. And some people react very badly at something that isn't easy to consume.

Most of those hard to read parts are flavor tho. You don't actually need to read them and they won't be part of play in most cases. So the complains about readability are like complaining you can't read a picture of a castle.

I've tried playing it and a game where most class options are combat oriented while the average HP is around 3 makes little sense to me. I liked the tone expectations, very over the top, the players laughed at things I hoped they'd laugh so it had some good. Overall not too enjoyable. I liked cy_borg a bit more, so I'll try the cowboy ones at some point and see if gus make the lethality feel more reassonable without cutting off parts of the game.

They hate that it's different while claiming it does nothing new.
They're not really worth listening to.

the world is... le dark and evil
except strictly no transphobic and racist content, the skeletons are hecking wholesome and inclusive

>>96160116
you can't write a dark setting unless it's also racist

wonder why rightoids never make any TTRPGs that people want to play

>>96160116
>when I'm watching Aliens but the xenomorphs aren't racist
How am I supposed to take them seriously?

>>96158605
Im gonna pick up frontier scum soon.
I just got Farewell to Arms, the weird ww1 borg game. I also enjoy Never Going Home and like the idea of Trench Crusade.

Easily one of the biggest nothing books out of my country's already terminal trpg scene and like most utter shit published here it's from Fria Ligan.

>>96158829
Not that anon, but mork borg is a very minimal game overall. It is pretty much a narrative game with little crunch. It goes beyond that and is barely a game outside of the bare minimum. The design is hard to separate from the game itself since it prides itself on being as metal as possible, but it all just apes the aesthetic more than anything. The readability is poor. Generally some third party hacks of it do it better without the pretentious preaching or pretentious presentation.

Also the devs got caught pushing the game here, sending their discord/twitter fans here to defend it, and name searching themselves multiple times.

>>96154634 (OP)
1. False marketing. Trying to latch onto a scene it is in no way part of as a marketing stunt and freaking out for months when people tell them to fuck off with that shit.
2. No depth to it. If you actually play games outside of one-shots it crumbles and actually offers less help for a novice or experienced player group to keep a game going than the original 3LBB D&D books which are famous for having to have the DM finish them themselves.
The layout is also terrible for actually running a game and is more aimed at read-only:s.

>>96154634 (OP)
Based, fuck these tards

>>96160604
What mechanics do you think the game is lacking?

>>96160143
mork borg is for the romulus crowd

>>96154634 (OP)
You probably had a really good GM who was totally on your same wavelength. Cherish your GM. There aren't many out there who can make ruleslite not suck.

>>96160124
Fantasy racism is fine. Not every setting needs to be a harmonious globo homo day dream.
t. Wokeoid progressive

>>96158817
>shadowdyke is pure shit as well

>>96154634 (OP)
>game
Good joke.

>>96160791
>YWNBAW

>>96160143
>the humans in aliens make tons of slurs for the xenomorphs
Ummmmm, yikes

>>96160820
It's not an either/or though. Just because the orcs don't lynch gays, doesn't mean they attend pride parades. Maybe they don't care either way.

>>96160915
the xenomorphs are products of their environment and will integrate if given a chance

>>96154634 (OP)
I enjoy Borgish things

>>96160820
Similarly, not every dark setting needs to have the orcs chant about how you will never be a woman and praise Hitler.

>>96160604
Could you explain what you mean by "narrative game"? To me, when I think of what I consider to be "narrative games" its usually stuff like Fate, PBtA, and Blades in the Dark. Where the fiction of what the character is doing and moving along the story is more the emphasis the mechanics, and the mechanics in turn bend themselves to accommodate and reinforce that.
Mork Borg doesn't really have any of this, it has a d20 dice resolution system, only a single optional meta-currency in the form of omens which is mostly there to provide a bit of a safety blanket for low level characters, clearly defined character statistics, etc. In most regards, its very much like many other OSR or OSR adjacent ttrpgs, mentally I actually think that games like Black Sword Hack are not to dissimilar to Mork Borg. I'm just not sure what about Mork Borg makes it a "narrative" game to you, as I don't personally think that an OSR game that lacks more in-depth character classes or crunch automatically becomes a narrative game.

>>96161136
You won't get an answer because he hasn't actually read the book.

>>96155671
>>a lot of third-party content
>so it's not good and other people had to maek it good for you to have fun with it
There are shit tons of third party content for every popular game, like any edition of DnD for example.
Does that mean only impopular games can be good?

>>96154657
As funny as this is, it's not really representative of what Mork Borg is about.

>>96154782
I don't think oppsing the hypocrites who always talk about "muh children" while playing mental gymnastics to defend Epsteins best friend while he robs them and gives their money to the oligarchs is that bad anon.

>>96162433
>while playing mental gymnastics to defend Epsteins best friend while he robs them and gives their money to the oligarchs is that bad anon.

Not true but that doesn't matter to you

>>96157196
>Also the culture war is dumb and the vast vast majority of people dont care, if someone has a different political position than you that doesnt automatically make everything they create inherently bad

If it doesn't matter then why do the devs care and speak on and on about it? And surely the culture on that side won't mind a right leaning person getting into wargames?
Unless you're the guy Catalyst tried to cancel.

>>96162862
If the devs spoke on and on about how much they loved Revolutionary Girl Utena, like their Xitter page was just screencaps from RGU and fan theories and ships and fanfic links and fanart, etc, and when you went to their discord half the channels were about it, and if you said "actually it's not very good" you'd get banned, would that mean that M'o'rkBorg was now about Revolutionary Girl Utena and if you thought it was a bad show, you shouldn't play it? Assume the actual content of the game is identical.

>>96162862
>why do the devs care and speak on and on about it
Do they? Where do they do that? Can you show me where they do that?

>>96154634 (OP)
>REEE THEY USE A DESIGN STYLE I DON'T LIKE TO EVOKE THE SETTING INSTEAD OF MASSIVE WALLS OF GYGAXIAN PURPLE PROSE
It's fine for one shots but I didn't find it has enough substance to it to use it for long term play in the campaign style that I prefer

>>96158829
I don't know how you can convince yourself that hostile, amateur punk graphic design is somehow thematically appropriate for a minimalist dark fantasy RPG, but go on and keeping calling other people pretentious, you clown.

>>96162389
Good games don't need to RELY on 3rd party content to be considered good. It's an unfortunate trend in overhyped faux-indie RPGs to be praised to high heaven, but then be given a quiet little qualifier that the base game and material contained therein aren't great, but if you buy some zines from some fags on itchio, that the game suddenly becomes playable and interesting in ways it wasn't out of the proverbial box.

>>96163337
He didn't call you pretentious. And it isn't appropriate, that's why it's interesting.
>>96163348
>good games don't need to RELY on 3rd party content to be considered good
Agreed, but how is that relevant? Are you saying Mark Bark relies on said content?

>>96161101
But this one desperately needed them, with satanic warmaster blasting in the background
Metal and metal aesthetic is about evil, I wish trannoids would stay the fuck away

>>96163995
Right, this is why no one wants to play your games, you care more about whether the game alienates certain players than whether it's good in its own right.

>>96162862
>If it (culture war) doesn't matter then why do the devs care and speak on and on about it?
because they want to?
Same way a KKK member would talk about killing blacks even if it doesn't help sell their crocodile sandals or whatever grift is going on. You talk about politics because you care, not to be part of a crowd.

>>96163337
are you saying doom metal isn't hostile and minimalist in composition?

>>96161136
>Where the fiction of what the character is doing and moving along the story is more the emphasis the mechanics, and the mechanics in turn bend themselves to accommodate and reinforce that.
No. Narrative games have mechanics for the fiction. The mecha is are not deformed for the fiction, the fiction is subject to mechanics.

>>96163995
Are you an 80's midwestern mom?

>>96163995
>metal aesthetic is about evil
The metal aesthetic is leatherdaddy with longer hair.
So it's somehow even gayer.

>>96154634 (OP)

MB is kinda bad (not terribile, bad), but certainly not because of the art/layout. Actually, it's pretty funny to see nerds sperging about the best part of the thing.

It's basically a simplied early DND with zany layout and a pinch of dark humour. That's... uninventive and derivative, at best.

I kinda like the adventures tough.

The most damning thing I've ever heard said about Mork Borg Hefenshurfen Swedish Chef noises:
>The way I'd describe Mork Borg is 'OSR as ran through the filter of a hyper-violence anime'
>Characters explode into organs at the slightest touch, ect. As such there's little to no weight to death since 'Fuck it, my character is a walking corpse anyway'

>And so the only options to play it long term are full edgelord or full comedy.
>Every game of Mork Borg wants to be Berserk, but in reality it's always devolves into either Corpse Party or Dokuro-Chan.

I got MB as a gift and read through it. Putting aside the exhausting culture war angle everyone fights about, It's more or less an OSR game with some pretty brutal math (DC12 is standard, so the game will always skew towards failure). The classes kind of suck, but if you're a decent GM you can rope a fun session or 3 out of it. The map is cool and some of the fluff is interesting. My main gripe is that it's really style over substance, but that's true for 99% of books on the market, not everything is like ACKS or rules cyclopedia.

PirateBorg is a much better game, and imo is the best way to run a slightly grimdark version of Pirates of the Caribbean. It's got a lot of good stuff for piratey campaigns regardless of system too.

>>96164293
The comedy is intentional, though.

>>96164322
In that case, stop trying to ride two horses at once. You can either be:
>The hardcore metal game of dark horror fantasy
Or
>Paranoia

>>96162850
Oh so you're one of those guys who defends child marriage? That's even worse.

>>96164331
A lot of old comic book edgy fantasy didn't take itself seriously. This is like when nu-40k fans start taking the setting too seriously when it's just a pastiche of what GW thought was cool and interesting at the time.

>>96164331
Metal is already over the top. Do you believe that metalheads never find their thing funny?
It's a completely different comedy from Paranoia. You might as well had brought up Everybody is John or Monthy Python. Different comedy games are different.

>>96164331
Huh?

It seems like "hardcore metal genre of dark horror fantasy" would fit perfectly well with black comedy where everybody dies stupidly. Why do I have to pick between them?

>>96164239
Okay, but even in that case the only thing that Mork Borg has that relates to that idea is the calendar, which is basically just a table of random events

>>96154634 (OP)
I don't like it because people with the wrong political opinions (leftists) seem to flock to it despite the conservative aesthetic the game presents

>>96154634 (OP)
My experience with Mork Borg is that it works much better as a funny concept than as an actual game. Yes, the ridiculousness of player creation options and over the top grimdark can be amusing, but it makes the game hardly suitable for anything that isn't just goofing around the table. And the mechanics just aren't very good, even compared to other minimalistic games.

It's not awful or anything, but it's definitely overrated. Works decent if you need to throw something together quickly and have a bit of dumb fun with your group, but not much besides that

>>96156331
Wrong, retard

>>96164741
But conservative aesthetics is oligarchy and paedophilia.

>>96164771
>My experience with Mork Borg is that it works much better as a funny concept than as an actual game
That's ususally the thing with the "everything is OSR" marketeer crowd and part of why the actual grogs get prickly about it.
You can really tell their games have never been played in the long-term because they break apart the second the players actually try to do anything outside of a one-shot session.

>>96164304
>Pirate Borg
Most of their GM facing content seems to be on the level of throwing out a few ideas and letting you do all the work for them.
Like regular Borg it's probably fine for a beer & pretzels one-off but I ain't paying $40 for that unless I already really like the company and them grandstanding about paying off sensitivity grifters precludes that.

>>96164734
I don't think that mork borg is a narrative game and won't be defending that position.

>>96164876
>the thinks that's conservative
bro do you have any idea how many rich people are like that?

>>96165458
and conservatives dedicate their time to defending and elevating rich people

>>96165479
People deluding themselves into thinking Epstein best friend was a man who stood up for the working class is the funniest shit ever.

>>96165529
If you just described Trump's presidencies in a future history in your book in 2010, your lib agent would be like, "look, I know you don't like Republicans, but this is ridiculous."

>>96154634 (OP)
From what I have seen it's just not different enough to be it's own game rather than a D&D module. A decent chunk of what's original to it doesn't work well with most tables, like the doomsday clock just ending the game in very unsatisfactory places most of the time.

>>96162433
Found the faggot retard communist.

>>96163348
Mothetship 3rd party content is phenomenal. Pirate first buy later.

>>96164331
Wrong.

>>96163425
NTA but I personally consider mork borg incomplete without some of the other content like heretic and feretory

>>96164293
"This comedy game isn't very serious" isn't exactly a negative review.

>>96167420
I can see that, but they're official content aren't they? I don't believe they're third party.

>>96166809
But anon, I don’t like communists (authoritarian ideology). I also don’t like passing legislation to make the already ultra-rich even richer and protecting pedophiles (Epstein) and mass collecting citizens information in privately owned databases (Palantir owned by Peter Thiel) to own the libs.

>>96167637
Both heretic and feretory are made by the Mork Borg Kult, which is described as follows:
"Mörk Borg Cult (MBC) is the sub-label for selected, approved and curated Mörk Borg content written by fans and laid out and illustrated by the Mörk Borg team."
So I guess they're like, half-official?

>>96154634 (OP)

It's started as a collaborative art book based on b/x.

Art fans got pissed off it was written for a system with actual rules.

b/x fans got pissed it wasn't specifically written to homage the 83 editions (or thereabouts)

People who weren't expecting either didn't sperg out. I found it a little too grimdark but nothing about it pissed me off, and that's actually the majority view.

Just not the loudest.

>>96165479
lefties do that all of the time, look at Bernie and his three houses

>>96167830
So why didn't Biden fix all of that when he and his allies had a narrow majority in Congress?

>>96164144
the villains in his hypothetical (the orcs) are praising hitler and that is alienating?

>>96169526
Can people on this board not fucking read?

>>96163995
>I wish trannoids would stay the fuck away
Hm, is this possibly a statement of preference for the game to alienate certain players? Nah. Time to misread what's posted in order to ask extremely stupid questions.

>>96169313
Ah that sounds about right. Yeah there are some absolute gems out there thanks to the third party licence but also some absolute stinkers.

>>96169451
Because Biden is a neoliberal.

>>96169418
>Thereabouts
BX is the '81 edition, whereas as the '83 edition is BECMI. OStards get pissy about that a lot, but don't let /osrg/ lie to you, BX and the BE portion of BECMI are fundamentally the same game.

Look at you little homos, talking about politics. This is why tabletop is gay now.

>>96170530
It's because retards here have a kneejerk reaction when the devs say "don't make adventures where you're killing blacks and gays because it will make us look bad when people mistake OGL-adventures for stuff we'd make and that's bad for the company".

>>96170741
Going off about Trump and other shit has fuck-all to do with that, though.

>>96171701
Where in the rulebook do they talk about Trump? Also Trump sucks and is a pedophile but that's beside the point.

>>96154634 (OP)
It's not all that bad, it's just a kinda mid setting with nothing special in the gameplay when competing with half the rpg market of rules-lite OSR whatever. Art is cool I guess, but hardly worth the price, and if I'm eating a salad and they put a nice dressing on nothing but old romaine, my only thought is going to be about how salad itself is lackluster, even if the vinaigrette is good. Also, fun is an abysmal indicator of quality. Put enough good friends in a room and they can easily have fun with anything, unless we're talking FATAL-tier bad. That's an entire other level of horrible than this game ever had a shot at being.

>>96154634 (OP)
lol lmao

>>96171917
Getting tilted over the game saying that you shouldn't be a dick on purpose is real gameless cuck behavior there, kiddo.

>>96171917
>>96171936
>make a game that's a goofy dark heavy metal pastiche
>anons get mad because the devs don't want you to include real life politics in the game
And yet they whine that it's political? What's the problem here?

>>96158573
Man, I love Delta Green, and I've thought about starting another thread about it besides the one I made like a week ago asking for advice.But I also don't want to deal with drooling retards derailing it in 5 seconds.

>>96154634 (OP)
Devs told me I'm not allowed to play it because I think that we should work towards lowering the national deficit

>>96171996
Trump isn't doing that though.

>>96155671
>so it's not good and other people had to maek it good for you to have fun with it
Guess every edition of every single semi-popular RPG from 1980 to today is not good.
Post your super niche heartbreaker of choice that is good.

>>96157196
Adding onto this as a different anon, the art is intentional and is meant to be device to aid in memorization and quick indexing.
You don't need to remember what the page number is for a specific rule, or even tab, because you know what the page physically looks like.

>>96154634 (OP)
I don't like it because it's yet another ttrpg made by an artoid, and it has the typical artoid sensibilities of copying better games, but making them lamer and disguising it with the flash of the book's aesthetic. Didn't like any of Abaddon's lame games, either, despite his art being better than the Borgs.

>>96171951
Projection and extreme culture war brain rot.

>>96171996
damn, glad to see another Democrat here.

>>96171951
Doesn't include facistphobia.

>>96157196
personally I like the really grungy art, some of the choices feel less cool and more like a serial killer mailing a letter out of cut newspaper clippings or a shitty punk ad but a lot of the designs are neat.
it feels like an edgy metal apocalypse, which is neat.
can't say the rules are anything spectacular though and good luck convincing your average player to use the system.

>>96171936
YWNBAW

I find it a bit trite.
My elfgame with gnomes and elves running around feels like it has more edge to it simply by virtue of using the monster manual with all the arch-devils and not making any excuses about devil worshippers being anything but the scum of the earth.
Doesn't hurt that there's an actual game underlying it either.

>>96172558
it's poser shit acting edgy and punk while wokescolding you

>>96171936
fuck you i won't do what you tell me

I feel like it's too high lethality sometimes. For example, result #46 on the Corpse Plundering chart can easily kill characters who haven't advanced. Characters start with an average of 4 or 5 hit points and the weakest encounter deals 1d4 damage. You might think between this high lethality and the morale system this game is encouraging caution and avoiding fights, but the very first enemy in what passes for the bestiary throws out a curse, no test to avoid it, that will turn your character into an NPC in d6 days if you don't chase it down and kill it.

>>96172785
Thank fuck I won't, my wife would be so fucking pissed if I were.

>>96160947
One of the things I like about Mork Borg is the Calendar, but i don't like how clumsily CyBorg adapts that part of it specifically