Thread 96154634

I don't see why so many here dislike this game. I think it's easy to set up, and a lot of fun once it gets moving. Also, a lot of the third-party content is sick too. What's the deal?

>>96154657
Fip bip

>>96154657
Ok, I forgot about all the leftist shit the company bloats on about, so yeah you got me there. I mostly ignore that in this case, but it is annoying.

I like Pirateborg more, Black Powder & Brimstone is also a better *borg game

>>96154634 (OP)
>it's easy
doesn't mean it's good
>a lot fun
entirely subjective
>a lot of third-party content
so it's not good and other people had to maek it good for you to have fun with it.

>>96154634 (OP)
Easy games are plentiful. That one is ugly and needlessly difficult to read.

>>96154634 (OP)
How does it differ from any other osr slop besides aesthetics?

>>96154634 (OP)
... ok?

>>96156250
It's twice as unreadable and disorganise as a typical OSR.
Otherwise - same deal as always

>>96154657
Saved

kill all communists and globalists

>>96154634 (OP)
I also like it. It is simple to understand and run, and I also agree that the third party content is pretty great. I know a lot of people dont like the way it is presented, and I think thats a fair criticism that would probably bother me way more if the game was substantailly more robust in mechanics and rules, but that is not mork borg. I also think the artwork is pretty great. I think something that a lot of grognards can't comprehend is that for mork borg style is very much part of the substance; unlike most other generic OSR games and systems, the world of mork borg has such a distinct atmosphere and feeling and aesthetic that imagining what the world looks like when you're playing the game, or trying to come up with new content that is thematically appropriate or interpreting the more (intentionally) vague elements of the incredibly light worldbuilding in the rulebook, is incredibly easy. Its got a pretty vivid flavor to it, when you compare it to another equally-derided OSR game like Shadowdark I think its pretty easy to say which of the two games I can envision what being in the world would be like better (I also don't like Shadowdark that much, for other reasons). The fact that its infused with so much stylization actually makes it easier for me to envision and come up with concepts and ideas for the game, as I am primarily a solo gamer at the moment that is a giant boon for me. Also I personally am not someone who tends to play very complicated systems in general, I'll play in or run the occaisional pathfinder one-shot, so that doesn't really affect me. Also, I think if you get filtered by the book's layout (i.e. "I can't understand the rules because I can't read them"), that is a skill issue on your part, it really isnt that bad.
Also the culture war is dumb and the vast vast majority of people dont care, if someone has a different political position than you that doesnt automatically make everything they create inherently bad

>>96157196
>ackhually it’s SUPPOSED to look like shit to immerse you in how the world is shit!

>>96154657
FPBP, get fucked op

>>96157196
Also, there's a literally free version without the art if the colors and shit bother folks so badly. Yeah, I agree, though. Total skill issue. The art/atmosphere/lore is a big part of it for me. I just hate the fags now that are making it like some Joss Whedon zany shitfest now.

>>96157905
Thankfully you can simply ignore what other people do and play the game how you want, just like you can do for every other tabletop rpg.
>>96157221
Unironically yes. Generally when you make a piece of media that has a visual component to it have a style that is synchronous with its tone and themes, that is a good thing. And also, not all art needs to be accessible or pleasant to the eye or whatever. Imagine how stupid it would be to say that House of Leaves is bad because its presentation makes it difficult to read.

>>96154634 (OP)
>schoolshooterborg

>>96154634 (OP)
>What's the deal?
It's a game that's not D&D.

/tg/ has become so dominated by contrarians that it wraps back around to attacking any game that isn't already popular. While I haven't played M'o'rk Borg, any time I look for discussions of the games I have played, and enjoyed, then I fully expect /tg/ to shit on them for completely inane reasons that are so stupid I have to assume they've never played the game, and quite possibly not even read the rules.

Maybe not Delta Green. I don't even go into the Exalted general because last I looked in, they were spending all their time homebrewing out the best part of the game (the fun and deep combat system).

>>96157196
>I think something that a lot of grognards can't comprehend is that for mork borg style is very much part of the substance
It is for every game. GURPS THS is a future where people live like +50% as long, there hasn't been any WW3 or other mass deaths, there are SAI and colonizing Mars, and minimal democratic backsliding, but the artist drew it all dark and gloomy in the core so people think it's a depressing setting.

>>96158573
>It is for every game. GURPS THS is a future where people live like +50% as long, there hasn't been any WW3 or other mass deaths, there are SAI and colonizing Mars, and minimal democratic backsliding, but the artist drew it all dark and gloomy in the core so people think it's a depressing setting.
Oh yeah, compare to Eclipse Phase, a game named after the fact that humanity is living on borrowed time, where Earth and most of the population got eaten by alien supervirus-infected god AI, the "good guy" faction will turn you into a permanent exile for complaining about people fucking in public even though we invented post-scarcity so we don't actually NEED to use reddit points to allocate goods, there's an evil space virus that will basically destroy everyone, and you're working for the Prometheans who are totally not going to end up exactly like the last batch of god AI.

But Eclipse Phase has pretty art, even though it's pretty explicitly a horror setting, so people treat it differently.

>>96154925
Frontier Scum is also pretty solid.
If anything I like MB just because it helped push other games I like and that's good, like the opposite of 3e.

>>96158413
You are really bad at pretending to have intelligent opinions about art and game design. But please, I beg you, do continue doing this shit as often as possible. More people need to fully comprehend that mork borg is solely defended by pretentious retards like you, and not people with actual taste or substantive reasoning

>>96158573
>bitches about contrarians
>I haven't played it, but /tg/ dislikes it, so it must be good!

>>96158625
I didn't say that because /tg/ dislikes it, it was good. /tg/ dislikes ~every game, therefore it is useless as a barometer of whether a game is good or not.

>>96154634 (OP)
Refer to >>96154657, specifically the part labelled "phase 2", which deftly illustrates /tg/'s violent reaction to any game perceived as giving players that aren't the GM any kind of participation that isn't narrating the action of their PC. Whether mork borg actually does this is irrelevant, it is clearly some sort of artfag leftoid tranny book because it isn't a series of double column text pages in 6 point font.

>>96154634 (OP)
>morkbaiting
anon, bumpfag can barely keep a shadowdark bait thread going let alone fotm from 5 years ago.

>>96158750
Shadowdyke is pure shit tho

>>96158617
If you have an actual argument for why the game is bad beyond "it looks like shit" please do inform me, it would be nice to have an actual conversation about the merits of the game but people who constantly shit on it like you tend to just scream that its bad and then call anyone who disagrees a pretentious.

MB filters people hard.
That doesn't mean it's too good for them, I can't imagine why someone would intepret that but I know someone will. It's caustic and hard to read on purpose, they didn't accidentally make it look consistently like that. And some people react very badly at something that isn't easy to consume.

Most of those hard to read parts are flavor tho. You don't actually need to read them and they won't be part of play in most cases. So the complains about readability are like complaining you can't read a picture of a castle.

I've tried playing it and a game where most class options are combat oriented while the average HP is around 3 makes little sense to me. I liked the tone expectations, very over the top, the players laughed at things I hoped they'd laugh so it had some good. Overall not too enjoyable. I liked cy_borg a bit more, so I'll try the cowboy ones at some point and see if gus make the lethality feel more reassonable without cutting off parts of the game.

They hate that it's different while claiming it does nothing new.
They're not really worth listening to.

the world is... le dark and evil
except strictly no transphobic and racist content, the skeletons are hecking wholesome and inclusive

>>96160116
you can't write a dark setting unless it's also racist

wonder why rightoids never make any TTRPGs that people want to play

>>96160116
>when I'm watching Aliens but the xenomorphs aren't racist
How am I supposed to take them seriously?

>>96158605
Im gonna pick up frontier scum soon.
I just got Farewell to Arms, the weird ww1 borg game. I also enjoy Never Going Home and like the idea of Trench Crusade.

Easily one of the biggest nothing books out of my country's already terminal trpg scene and like most utter shit published here it's from Fria Ligan.

>>96158829
Not that anon, but mork borg is a very minimal game overall. It is pretty much a narrative game with little crunch. It goes beyond that and is barely a game outside of the bare minimum. The design is hard to separate from the game itself since it prides itself on being as metal as possible, but it all just apes the aesthetic more than anything. The readability is poor. Generally some third party hacks of it do it better without the pretentious preaching or pretentious presentation.

Also the devs got caught pushing the game here, sending their discord/twitter fans here to defend it, and name searching themselves multiple times.

>>96154634 (OP)
1. False marketing. Trying to latch onto a scene it is in no way part of as a marketing stunt and freaking out for months when people tell them to fuck off with that shit.
2. No depth to it. If you actually play games outside of one-shots it crumbles and actually offers less help for a novice or experienced player group to keep a game going than the original 3LBB D&D books which are famous for having to have the DM finish them themselves.
The layout is also terrible for actually running a game and is more aimed at read-only:s.

>>96154634 (OP)
Based, fuck these tards

>>96160604
What mechanics do you think the game is lacking?

>>96160143
mork borg is for the romulus crowd

>>96154634 (OP)
You probably had a really good GM who was totally on your same wavelength. Cherish your GM. There aren't many out there who can make ruleslite not suck.

>>96160124
Fantasy racism is fine. Not every setting needs to be a harmonious globo homo day dream.
t. Wokeoid progressive

>>96158817
>shadowdyke is pure shit as well

>>96154634 (OP)
>game
Good joke.

>>96160791
>YWNBAW

>>96160143
>the humans in aliens make tons of slurs for the xenomorphs
Ummmmm, yikes

>>96160820
It's not an either/or though. Just because the orcs don't lynch gays, doesn't mean they attend pride parades. Maybe they don't care either way.

>>96160915
the xenomorphs are products of their environment and will integrate if given a chance

>>96154634 (OP)
I enjoy Borgish things

>>96160820
Similarly, not every dark setting needs to have the orcs chant about how you will never be a woman and praise Hitler.

>>96160604
Could you explain what you mean by "narrative game"? To me, when I think of what I consider to be "narrative games" its usually stuff like Fate, PBtA, and Blades in the Dark. Where the fiction of what the character is doing and moving along the story is more the emphasis the mechanics, and the mechanics in turn bend themselves to accommodate and reinforce that.
Mork Borg doesn't really have any of this, it has a d20 dice resolution system, only a single optional meta-currency in the form of omens which is mostly there to provide a bit of a safety blanket for low level characters, clearly defined character statistics, etc. In most regards, its very much like many other OSR or OSR adjacent ttrpgs, mentally I actually think that games like Black Sword Hack are not to dissimilar to Mork Borg. I'm just not sure what about Mork Borg makes it a "narrative" game to you, as I don't personally think that an OSR game that lacks more in-depth character classes or crunch automatically becomes a narrative game.

>>96161136
You won't get an answer because he hasn't actually read the book.

>>96155671
>>a lot of third-party content
>so it's not good and other people had to maek it good for you to have fun with it
There are shit tons of third party content for every popular game, like any edition of DnD for example.
Does that mean only impopular games can be good?

>>96154657
As funny as this is, it's not really representative of what Mork Borg is about.

>>96154782
I don't think oppsing the hypocrites who always talk about "muh children" while playing mental gymnastics to defend Epsteins best friend while he robs them and gives their money to the oligarchs is that bad anon.

>>96162433
>while playing mental gymnastics to defend Epsteins best friend while he robs them and gives their money to the oligarchs is that bad anon.

Not true but that doesn't matter to you

>>96157196
>Also the culture war is dumb and the vast vast majority of people dont care, if someone has a different political position than you that doesnt automatically make everything they create inherently bad

If it doesn't matter then why do the devs care and speak on and on about it? And surely the culture on that side won't mind a right leaning person getting into wargames?
Unless you're the guy Catalyst tried to cancel.

>>96162862
If the devs spoke on and on about how much they loved Revolutionary Girl Utena, like their Xitter page was just screencaps from RGU and fan theories and ships and fanfic links and fanart, etc, and when you went to their discord half the channels were about it, and if you said "actually it's not very good" you'd get banned, would that mean that M'o'rkBorg was now about Revolutionary Girl Utena and if you thought it was a bad show, you shouldn't play it? Assume the actual content of the game is identical.

>>96162862
>why do the devs care and speak on and on about it
Do they? Where do they do that? Can you show me where they do that?

>>96154634 (OP)
>REEE THEY USE A DESIGN STYLE I DON'T LIKE TO EVOKE THE SETTING INSTEAD OF MASSIVE WALLS OF GYGAXIAN PURPLE PROSE
It's fine for one shots but I didn't find it has enough substance to it to use it for long term play in the campaign style that I prefer

>>96158829
I don't know how you can convince yourself that hostile, amateur punk graphic design is somehow thematically appropriate for a minimalist dark fantasy RPG, but go on and keeping calling other people pretentious, you clown.

>>96162389
Good games don't need to RELY on 3rd party content to be considered good. It's an unfortunate trend in overhyped faux-indie RPGs to be praised to high heaven, but then be given a quiet little qualifier that the base game and material contained therein aren't great, but if you buy some zines from some fags on itchio, that the game suddenly becomes playable and interesting in ways it wasn't out of the proverbial box.

>>96163337
He didn't call you pretentious. And it isn't appropriate, that's why it's interesting.
>>96163348
>good games don't need to RELY on 3rd party content to be considered good
Agreed, but how is that relevant? Are you saying Mark Bark relies on said content?

>>96161101
But this one desperately needed them, with satanic warmaster blasting in the background
Metal and metal aesthetic is about evil, I wish trannoids would stay the fuck away

>>96163995
Right, this is why no one wants to play your games, you care more about whether the game alienates certain players than whether it's good in its own right.

>>96162862
>If it (culture war) doesn't matter then why do the devs care and speak on and on about it?
because they want to?
Same way a KKK member would talk about killing blacks even if it doesn't help sell their crocodile sandals or whatever grift is going on. You talk about politics because you care, not to be part of a crowd.

>>96163337
are you saying doom metal isn't hostile and minimalist in composition?

>>96161136
>Where the fiction of what the character is doing and moving along the story is more the emphasis the mechanics, and the mechanics in turn bend themselves to accommodate and reinforce that.
No. Narrative games have mechanics for the fiction. The mecha is are not deformed for the fiction, the fiction is subject to mechanics.

>>96163995
Are you an 80's midwestern mom?

>>96163995
>metal aesthetic is about evil
The metal aesthetic is leatherdaddy with longer hair.
So it's somehow even gayer.

>>96154634 (OP)

MB is kinda bad (not terribile, bad), but certainly not because of the art/layout. Actually, it's pretty funny to see nerds sperging about the best part of the thing.

It's basically a simplied early DND with zany layout and a pinch of dark humour. That's... uninventive and derivative, at best.

I kinda like the adventures tough.

The most damning thing I've ever heard said about Mork Borg Hefenshurfen Swedish Chef noises:
>The way I'd describe Mork Borg is 'OSR as ran through the filter of a hyper-violence anime'
>Characters explode into organs at the slightest touch, ect. As such there's little to no weight to death since 'Fuck it, my character is a walking corpse anyway'

>And so the only options to play it long term are full edgelord or full comedy.
>Every game of Mork Borg wants to be Berserk, but in reality it's always devolves into either Corpse Party or Dokuro-Chan.

I got MB as a gift and read through it. Putting aside the exhausting culture war angle everyone fights about, It's more or less an OSR game with some pretty brutal math (DC12 is standard, so the game will always skew towards failure). The classes kind of suck, but if you're a decent GM you can rope a fun session or 3 out of it. The map is cool and some of the fluff is interesting. My main gripe is that it's really style over substance, but that's true for 99% of books on the market, not everything is like ACKS or rules cyclopedia.

PirateBorg is a much better game, and imo is the best way to run a slightly grimdark version of Pirates of the Caribbean. It's got a lot of good stuff for piratey campaigns regardless of system too.

>>96164293
The comedy is intentional, though.

>>96164322
In that case, stop trying to ride two horses at once. You can either be:
>The hardcore metal game of dark horror fantasy
Or
>Paranoia

>>96162850
Oh so you're one of those guys who defends child marriage? That's even worse.

>>96164331
A lot of old comic book edgy fantasy didn't take itself seriously. This is like when nu-40k fans start taking the setting too seriously when it's just a pastiche of what GW thought was cool and interesting at the time.

>>96164331
Metal is already over the top. Do you believe that metalheads never find their thing funny?
It's a completely different comedy from Paranoia. You might as well had brought up Everybody is John or Monthy Python. Different comedy games are different.

>>96164331
Huh?

It seems like "hardcore metal genre of dark horror fantasy" would fit perfectly well with black comedy where everybody dies stupidly. Why do I have to pick between them?

>>96164239
Okay, but even in that case the only thing that Mork Borg has that relates to that idea is the calendar, which is basically just a table of random events

>>96154634 (OP)
I don't like it because people with the wrong political opinions (leftists) seem to flock to it despite the conservative aesthetic the game presents

>>96154634 (OP)
My experience with Mork Borg is that it works much better as a funny concept than as an actual game. Yes, the ridiculousness of player creation options and over the top grimdark can be amusing, but it makes the game hardly suitable for anything that isn't just goofing around the table. And the mechanics just aren't very good, even compared to other minimalistic games.

It's not awful or anything, but it's definitely overrated. Works decent if you need to throw something together quickly and have a bit of dumb fun with your group, but not much besides that

>>96156331
Wrong, retard

>>96164741
But conservative aesthetics is oligarchy and paedophilia.

>>96164771
>My experience with Mork Borg is that it works much better as a funny concept than as an actual game
That's ususally the thing with the "everything is OSR" marketeer crowd and part of why the actual grogs get prickly about it.
You can really tell their games have never been played in the long-term because they break apart the second the players actually try to do anything outside of a one-shot session.

>>96164304
>Pirate Borg
Most of their GM facing content seems to be on the level of throwing out a few ideas and letting you do all the work for them.
Like regular Borg it's probably fine for a beer & pretzels one-off but I ain't paying $40 for that unless I already really like the company and them grandstanding about paying off sensitivity grifters precludes that.

>>96164734
I don't think that mork borg is a narrative game and won't be defending that position.

>>96164876
>the thinks that's conservative
bro do you have any idea how many rich people are like that?

>>96165458
and conservatives dedicate their time to defending and elevating rich people

>>96165479
People deluding themselves into thinking Epstein best friend was a man who stood up for the working class is the funniest shit ever.

>>96165529
If you just described Trump's presidencies in a future history in your book in 2010, your lib agent would be like, "look, I know you don't like Republicans, but this is ridiculous."

>>96154634 (OP)
From what I have seen it's just not different enough to be it's own game rather than a D&D module. A decent chunk of what's original to it doesn't work well with most tables, like the doomsday clock just ending the game in very unsatisfactory places most of the time.

>>96162433
Found the faggot retard communist.

>>96163348
Mothetship 3rd party content is phenomenal. Pirate first buy later.

>>96164331
Wrong.

>>96163425
NTA but I personally consider mork borg incomplete without some of the other content like heretic and feretory

>>96164293
"This comedy game isn't very serious" isn't exactly a negative review.

>>96167420
I can see that, but they're official content aren't they? I don't believe they're third party.

>>96166809
But anon, I don’t like communists (authoritarian ideology). I also don’t like passing legislation to make the already ultra-rich even richer and protecting pedophiles (Epstein) and mass collecting citizens information in privately owned databases (Palantir owned by Peter Thiel) to own the libs.

>>96167637
Both heretic and feretory are made by the Mork Borg Kult, which is described as follows:
"Mörk Borg Cult (MBC) is the sub-label for selected, approved and curated Mörk Borg content written by fans and laid out and illustrated by the Mörk Borg team."
So I guess they're like, half-official?

>>96154634 (OP)

It's started as a collaborative art book based on b/x.

Art fans got pissed off it was written for a system with actual rules.

b/x fans got pissed it wasn't specifically written to homage the 83 editions (or thereabouts)

People who weren't expecting either didn't sperg out. I found it a little too grimdark but nothing about it pissed me off, and that's actually the majority view.

Just not the loudest.

>>96165479
lefties do that all of the time, look at Bernie and his three houses

>>96167830
So why didn't Biden fix all of that when he and his allies had a narrow majority in Congress?

>>96164144
the villains in his hypothetical (the orcs) are praising hitler and that is alienating?

>>96169526
Can people on this board not fucking read?

>>96163995
>I wish trannoids would stay the fuck away
Hm, is this possibly a statement of preference for the game to alienate certain players? Nah. Time to misread what's posted in order to ask extremely stupid questions.

>>96169313
Ah that sounds about right. Yeah there are some absolute gems out there thanks to the third party licence but also some absolute stinkers.

>>96169451
Because Biden is a neoliberal.

>>96169418
>Thereabouts
BX is the '81 edition, whereas as the '83 edition is BECMI. OStards get pissy about that a lot, but don't let /osrg/ lie to you, BX and the BE portion of BECMI are fundamentally the same game.

Look at you little homos, talking about politics. This is why tabletop is gay now.

>>96170530
It's because retards here have a kneejerk reaction when the devs say "don't make adventures where you're killing blacks and gays because it will make us look bad when people mistake OGL-adventures for stuff we'd make and that's bad for the company".

>>96170741
Going off about Trump and other shit has fuck-all to do with that, though.

>>96171701
Where in the rulebook do they talk about Trump? Also Trump sucks and is a pedophile but that's beside the point.

>>96154634 (OP)
It's not all that bad, it's just a kinda mid setting with nothing special in the gameplay when competing with half the rpg market of rules-lite OSR whatever. Art is cool I guess, but hardly worth the price, and if I'm eating a salad and they put a nice dressing on nothing but old romaine, my only thought is going to be about how salad itself is lackluster, even if the vinaigrette is good. Also, fun is an abysmal indicator of quality. Put enough good friends in a room and they can easily have fun with anything, unless we're talking FATAL-tier bad. That's an entire other level of horrible than this game ever had a shot at being.

>>96154634 (OP)
lol lmao

>>96171917
Getting tilted over the game saying that you shouldn't be a dick on purpose is real gameless cuck behavior there, kiddo.

>>96171917
>>96171936
>make a game that's a goofy dark heavy metal pastiche
>anons get mad because the devs don't want you to include real life politics in the game
And yet they whine that it's political? What's the problem here?

>>96158573
Man, I love Delta Green, and I've thought about starting another thread about it besides the one I made like a week ago asking for advice.But I also don't want to deal with drooling retards derailing it in 5 seconds.

>>96154634 (OP)
Devs told me I'm not allowed to play it because I think that we should work towards lowering the national deficit

>>96171996
Trump isn't doing that though.

>>96155671
>so it's not good and other people had to maek it good for you to have fun with it
Guess every edition of every single semi-popular RPG from 1980 to today is not good.
Post your super niche heartbreaker of choice that is good.

>>96157196
Adding onto this as a different anon, the art is intentional and is meant to be device to aid in memorization and quick indexing.
You don't need to remember what the page number is for a specific rule, or even tab, because you know what the page physically looks like.

>>96154634 (OP)
I don't like it because it's yet another ttrpg made by an artoid, and it has the typical artoid sensibilities of copying better games, but making them lamer and disguising it with the flash of the book's aesthetic. Didn't like any of Abaddon's lame games, either, despite his art being better than the Borgs.

>>96171951
Projection and extreme culture war brain rot.

>>96171996
damn, glad to see another Democrat here.

>>96171951
Doesn't include facistphobia.

>>96157196
personally I like the really grungy art, some of the choices feel less cool and more like a serial killer mailing a letter out of cut newspaper clippings or a shitty punk ad but a lot of the designs are neat.
it feels like an edgy metal apocalypse, which is neat.
can't say the rules are anything spectacular though and good luck convincing your average player to use the system.

>>96171936
YWNBAW

I find it a bit trite.
My elfgame with gnomes and elves running around feels like it has more edge to it simply by virtue of using the monster manual with all the arch-devils and not making any excuses about devil worshippers being anything but the scum of the earth.
Doesn't hurt that there's an actual game underlying it either.

>>96172558
it's poser shit acting edgy and punk while wokescolding you

>>96171936
fuck you i won't do what you tell me

I feel like it's too high lethality sometimes. For example, result #46 on the Corpse Plundering chart can easily kill characters who haven't advanced. Characters start with an average of 4 or 5 hit points and the weakest encounter deals 1d4 damage. You might think between this high lethality and the morale system this game is encouraging caution and avoiding fights, but the very first enemy in what passes for the bestiary throws out a curse, no test to avoid it, that will turn your character into an NPC in d6 days if you don't chase it down and kill it.

>>96172785
Thank fuck I won't, my wife would be so fucking pissed if I were.

>>96160947
One of the things I like about Mork Borg is the Calendar, but i don't like how clumsily CyBorg adapts that part of it specifically

>>96171936
>dick on purpose
>you can't have a setting where fantasy racism or slavery exists because the themes are wrong in and of themselves
Honestly sounds way more kiddie than the old versions of D&D aimed at actual kids learning to play.
I don't really get this twitteroid fad at all, like don't you people want to fight evil slavers or do you think having elves hate dwarves and vice versa is intolerable for some reason?

>>96173037
I have fantastic racism in my games, but it's more often to be weird racial superstition, like goblins who swear humans turn to dust after they die, rather than an elf who just fucking hates orcs. Mind you, after generations of elves and orcs fighting bloodily for the same patch of land, the elves slaughtering orcs and planting orchards on their corpses, then orcs slaughtering elves and slashing and burning their orchards for grazing land, the latter definitely exists

>>96173037
The way I read it, its less about not wanting you to present fantasy evil as the villain and more about wanting you to not inflict those isms on your players.
Also, slavery isn't racism.

>>96173146
>not wanting you to
And here's the problem. Don't tell me what to do, faggot. Even though I wasn't gonna do that anyway. Now I might just to spite you.

>>96173237
Oh, you're a childish faggot.

>>96173266
you don't get to be a dorky liberal melvin and dictate morality, that's the job of great men.

>>96173146
>The way I read it, its less about not wanting you to present fantasy evil as the villain
You'd be wrong. It mentions tropes and themes not just subjecting your players to it.
This kind of thing is explicitly about saying you're wrong for including those things at all. It's why the same kind of douchebags added disclaimers to old modules and demanded X-Cards for games.

>>96154634 (OP)
From a superficial read it looks like its value is strictly the artistic expression. Maybe if I play it the math will unexpectedly make me go "WOWEE, THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ALL ALONG" but, with little in the sense of mechanics that jumps into your face out of that meme formatted text, It doesn't seem to be any better at being itself than just reskinning any other game I already know how to run with the edgier side of a heavy metal magazine's art.
Sure, there's a more readable version, but then it strips 99% of what makes it even a choice for anyone interested in first place, and is still shit to read. It calls itself OSR but their biggest OSR influence seems to be clutter and bad foratting (yeah, ODnD is a slog to read). I'll admit it's very interesting visually, it felt like browsing some brit artist's late web 1.0 website in 2004, but I feel like I can achieve the same end result with dice and some random tables stapled to some rules light system.
It would've been entirely more palatable and valid IMO if it was just a system-agnostic sourcebook with some instructions on powerlevel balance. Or even better, abandon math and rules entirely and just make an artbook.

I'm bothered that Japan is making it's own version of it...

>>96171917
I thought this was neither supposed to be generic capeslop nor sanitized and safe...
>>96172157
It's not even a good artoid

>>96173718
"Nobunaga Mork Borg" it be called.

>>96173146
It's neither. It's part of a set of guidelines on making third party content. It has absolutely nothing to do with how you run your games.
This is like being refused entry to a bar for not wearing shoes, then claiming the bar is trying to dictate what you wear when you drink at home.

>>96173934
This is already out btw.

>>96174224
And this is what the anon can’t understand. When you make third party content you’re allowed to put the “Compatible With Mörk Borg” sticker on your product. What they don’t want is someone making an adventure called “nigger genocider” or “Hitler did nothing wrong” with that sticker on it because to outsiders who don’t know how third party content works it looks like the developers themselves have blessed those adventures and thus approve of the messaging. It’s a bad look and it’s bad for businesses. The anon can never understand this because most anons don’t have a real life outside the net.
>>96173146
>Also, slavery isn't racism.
You can tell they’re American when they equate slavery with racism.

>>96157196
>as I am primarily a solo gamer at the moment
Excellent bait, had me up until this point.

>>96171936
>Be edgy! Play my grimdark blackmetal edgefest!
>oh god! not like that! You can't say that! Oh my god, won't somebody think of the minorities!
such a perfect encapsulation of everything that portrays itself as 'edgy' in modern day.

>>96173270
>>96173276
Childish faggot responses.

>>96175258
Hiding genuine racist intend behind layers of post-irony was never "edgy", that was just being an asshole who can't commit to being genuine.

I know that you 'people' don't want to understand since it'd knock a hole in your ideology, but there exists a middle ground between:

>Lord Death Murderkill sweeps across the land, ripping off the organs of every man one by one to extend their suffering
>But he won’t attack women because that would be misogynistic. Lord Death Murderkill is evil, but he’s not a monster.
>His armies of Rapehound descend upon the kingdoms, ravaging entire cities!
>But they avoid the red light districts and any minority neighborhoods, because Lord Death Muderkill believes sex work is real work and systemic racism is an ill upon society and should be fought against to end oppression
>If you ever encounter Lord Death Murderkill...
>He will ask your pronouns before he sends you to the Shadowrealm.

And:

>Chud Wightmail sat back, spreading his legs as wide as was physically possible. His throne, upholstered with the finest (and blackest) negro-leather, was undeniably comfortable, yet he longed to stand. To leave. To escape the obligations of rulership.
>“Female”, he called to his latino-broodslave, “I grow thirsty. Bring me a chalice of human blood. But ensure the blood is drained from minorities." before he considered "Baby minorities, I don’t want AIDS”.
>The woman submissived out the room.
>Wightmail cast his piercing blue eyes across the throne room, taking in the banners of a thousand conquered kingdoms.
>Absent were any Pride or Antifa flags, as they had all been burnt or used as toilet paper.
>The concubine returned, goblet in hand. In her nervousness, the whore spilt a little blood onto the floor. Wightmail tutted, and made a mental note to rape her later.
>“Bring in the survivors of the raid on the LGBT alliance!”, he bellowed "Prepare the litany of 41%!"
>"Very well Sire." said Cishet, his Grand Wizard, unfurling the ancient scroll, with its long-scribed runes that could drive even the most stable LGBT to their own destruction
>"Ahem, You shall never be a woman..."

>>96154634 (OP)
>I don't see why
You do actually, because everytime it's brought up people elaborate on why it's far lamer than it first looks. You just don't accept their reasoning because you're pretentious.

>>96175341
>Chud Wightmail
I chuckled

>>96175341
Hey you improved on my copypasta. Nice work.

>>96175351
I'll fully admit I stole that name from a post that was made in the last thread where this came up.

>>96175382
Hey, my man, glad you like the tribute

>>96175341
>His throne, upholstered with the finest (and blackest) negro-leather

>>96175267
Do your discord friends (she/they) know you use that word?

>>96154634 (OP)
Fa/tg/uys hate all games. Because they don't play any. It's not really deeper than that.

>>96164293
>that VN
The most unforgettable horror porn game I've ever played. No other game had a bunch of elementary schoolers gangbang a teenage girl against a wall. And the teenage girl loved it. No other game I've played had a 17 year old bishonen guy drink a 14 year old girl's piss and chase her down the hall to rape her, only to wind up getting anally raped by a 32 year old fat man. I still remember the scene where a 16-17 girl was hiding under a bed as her same age best friend was having sex with that same 32 year old fat guy on top. She heard every moan, bed shake and sound. In the wrong end she was discovered under the bed by her friend and made to join. A most terrifying scene was when an unwilling girl relives another girl's sex memories. The girl in the memory consented but the reliving girl didn't. It didn't matter that she was mentally screaming, her body in the memory did all the motions and actions as in history. It's like mind control rape except the victim was fully aware. Another scene the same girl and a friend were almost raped in a magic sex ritual, saved by the girl's older sister, and the backlash made the older sister want to rape her younger sister and friend.

The loli in this pic is freakishly lewd and once disguised herself as a teenage girl, fucked a boy until he nearly came, transformed back saying
>You thought you were having sex with a highschooler weren't you? I'm an elementary schooler all along!
And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotected, when he screams in fear upon learning this. This isn't even getting into the tentacles, the gay sex, the lesbian sex, the incest, the sequel's mother/daughter lesbian scene, etc. The first chapter alone contains lots of lesbian sex scenes with an unavoidable girl masturbating in the bathroom. Truly horror is intrinsically connected with sexuality.

>>96179000
What the fuck are you talking about? The only point in Corpse Party where a girl gets pinned to the wall by some grade schoolers is when they throw her into it a mach 15 and splat her against it.

>>96177471
Even more childish faggot retardation. Either grow up or kill yourself.

>>96154634 (OP)
People don't like it because they view it as all style over substance. It's mostly just a very simple OSR clone, a B/X variant like everything else.
I think it's playable and you can have fun with it, but people have been playing variants of that ruleset since TTRPGs were invented, it's just nothing new.
The only thing that sets it apart is graphic design.

>>96173037
>>96173304
bro this is literally from the explanation of their third party content license on their website lmao:

https://morkborg.com/license/

yeah, no shit they don't want you to use their trademark and slap "compatible with MÖRK BORG" on your new supplement, NiggerSlayer1488, all about killing 1,488 black people.

>>96180115
If your grimdark game is already balking at formorians abducting the local women, what the fuck's the point of it?

>>96180115
A lot of nu-4channers like to take shit like that out of context to make a point and plenty of other people here fall for it because they can't be bothered to do any research themselves. I remember one guy I know once fell for some tiktok he saw after the sharty hack that claimed that the hack "exposed the fact that most posts on /pol/ are from Israel" and the dude in the video then proceeded to go to 4plebs and filter out all posts on /pol/ to only those with Israeli flags and pretended that this was some secret data that had been aquired in the sharty hack. When I showed my friend that not only can you check the frequency of each flag on /pol/ on 4plebs which disproved the tiktok but that the dude in question had just filtered posts on there and that the data from the sharty hack was publicly available and that 4chan doesn't save post data after it's wiped from the archive his response was just "i'm not a programmer, how should I know". People here are retards.

>>96179000
bro what is this schizophrenia post
what the fuck are you talking about
CORPSE PARTY HAS NO PORN

>>96180171
iirc this is an old /v/ copypasta. I remember seeing it years ago.

>>96180115
>make setting where only cishet whites exist and only male PCs are allowed
>no bigoted tropes

>>96154634 (OP)
It's Lamentations of the Flame Princess but Woke. That's why /tg/ hates it.

>>96182095
>but Woke
I don't think that's even true.

>>96182095
LOTFP is an actual game with gaming content and not just a faux-art project.

>>96182181
Yeah but it sucks too. Though it sucks less than pretensios gaeme

>pretentious
Did 4chan collectively learn this word just yesterday or is it one guy seetheposting relentlessly?

>>96180145
You can publish that so long as the men are getting raped too, I guess.
>>96182062
What about female NPCs?

>>96182478
>What about female NPCs?
Dead or dying

>>96182543
Sounds pretty gay anon.

>>96182548
My only active group consists entirely of men, ERPing with them in any configuration would be gayer.

>>96182632
Yeah I figured you don't meet women often

>>96182867
Kek, resorting to that already? Guess it tracks, first go for masculinity then deny sexuality, you're powerless outside of it. I doubt whatever you often meet qualifies as women though, at least for anyone with standards.

>>96182898
Nerve = struck

>>96180145
not every grimdark game needs to be about rape, anon.

>>96182062
i'm pretty sure this is not an accurate description of M'o'rkBorg's rules.

>>96182933
you can tell someone is mad when they calmly identify your pattern of behavior.

>>96183108
I mean if you advertise and market your game about being a grim and dark fantasy then the basics of what I might expect could involve women being carted off to be reproduced with. It's like the core of this sort of pulp shit. I'm not saying you need it, but to outright legalese ban it? Fuck off, eat my dick with your ass.

>>96183121
Or when they mistake a little banter for a genuine attack ;)

>>96183204
You can do whatever you want in your home game. The "outright legalese" is if you want to use the M'o'rkBorg trademark.

>>96183234
Isn't what what you did first?

>>96162399
No, but it’s funny.

>>96183355
Nah bitch

>>96179000
This is really missing some of the best parts. I came buckets when one of the girl’s was fucked in a pool and the chad kid who liked her was forced to watch. The ending cg with the shot of the girl’s limp legs had me in diamonds. I also love the fact that all the tomboys have big boobs. And the scene where the main boy gets a double blowjob from his tomboy childhood friend and younger sister was great. The OVA had nice original scenes too. Once that chad kid was holding back a door when the ugly middle aged fatty used his tick to break through the door, aiming his dick right at chad kid's anus and lifted him into the air with his long dick. But we can't forget the double blowjob the main boy gets from his tomboy childhood friend and his little sister. Why do you keep on forgetting https://files.catbox.moe/8wpfo0.jpg?

How much work do you need to do to run lotfp adventures using Mork Borg?

>>96171917
>make a heavy metal game
>throw in progressive themes into the game for no reason
Why are swedes like this?

>>96157196
I gave Mork Borg an honest read and while I didn't have any real trouble understanding any single discrete thing, it was how they all fit together that kind of escaped me.

With a lot of games, I feel like I could read the core book and give you at least a semi-accurate idea of what you'd do in a game, but I don't think I can do that with Mork Borg.

Which I admit is indeed a skill issue on my part.