Thread 96161171

>Previous thread:
>>96136319

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,
Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,
Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,
Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics...
...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.
Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,
OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg

>TQ
What’s the most innovative/surprising/unexpectedly useful mechanic you’ve encountered in an alternative wargame?

>>96161171 (OP)
>tfw you will never join a hunting party through cobblestone streets hunting poor people with some cute decadent lady

>>96160892
I'd like those minis but that long ass tube gun is so stupid

>>96162105
Join ICE

>>96162276
I think the cute lady is an important bit.
Dr Phil isn't a cute lady.

>>96162190
Yeah, it looks like they were trying to do something with a barrel shroud and it didn't come cut.

>Whispers of the Deep still unfulfilled
Black Site Studios takes their time as always.

>>96162319
I just spent 10 minutes trying to find that ICE agent with the super fat juicy ass posing with a captured captured wetbacks, but I can't find it

Is there a system that feels like playing 2Fort?

>>96163019
Is there a system where I can put hats on my war dollies?

Is Corvus Belli the only company selling non-MDF bases with sculpted markings for facing? I find painted facing markings awful and I would definitely prefer to get bases with sculpted ones but to my surprise CB seems to be the only manufacturer of such.

>>96163096
it seems to be such a sweaty thing..

>>96163019
That Halo game with mirror terrain?

>>96163096
Facings seems dumb when you could just use square/hex/whatever bases..

>>96151746
The one I played is Russian Art of Tactics.

You set your activations from 1 to 6.

So you get say something like this
1 General
2 Commander 1 - Left Flank
3 Commander 2 - Right Flank
4 Artillery
5 Cavalry
6 Mercenaries

The default method of deciding who goes first and which commanders didn't fuck up is like this:
Both players roll 1d6, the one who rolls higher will be going first. Available orders are determined as Higher Roll minus Lower Roll
So if say player A rolled 3 and player B rolled 5 than player B can do orders on 4,5 while going first and player A after that gets to do orders he set on 1-3.

There are of course reactions and stuff, so if you don't get the orders you need your army won't be completely lying down and taking it but without being able to seize initiative chances of you winning are pretty damn low. Meaning setting up your orders and deciding how many commanders you will have is extremely important.

Rules wise big armies of average or even below average soldiers are in theory stronger in straight up combat since they can just surround the enemy and beat them into the ground, but they are very hard to control and if some part of them starts crumbling they may very well break down completely due to morale problems.

Recently got a full regiment of incarnate sentinels for conquest. Other then their left hand being all the same, it was a fun kit to pose. As if their bodies have the articulation of babies but the muscles of roided mongoloids

anyone got the latest Rogue Hammer PDF or should I head to the sharethread?

>>96163598
Wtf am I looking at

What's a good fantasy wargame to fight over diorama tables nowadays?
I want lots of 3D printed terrain, obstructions, verticality and so on.
Is Frostgrave the go-to now or do you have some other recs?

>>96164827
Carnevale is pretty good for dense 3D urban terrain. This is about the minimum viable, but it can get way thicker. The only real caveat is that it needs to have a canal running through the board and the buildings should be arranged such that short ones are next to medium ones are next to tall ones so the slower units can climb them one "step" at a time. It's playable even if your section of Venice looks a bit Kowloonish.

>>96163096
Maelstrom's Edge and I think the Star Wars games? Have indents

>>96165220
I didn't really care for Carnevale, but the boards look great.

>>96163598
The paint job is going to have to do some heavy lifting. Unpainted they kind of just look like blob monsters.
>>96164684
I had the same question

>>96161171 (OP)
>The glass she is holding is full and half full
wat

>finally buy the last oathmark book I needed
>find out about an upcoming 2nd edition
come on man

>>96165880
>find out about an upcoming 2nd edition
wait what

>>96164827
You really have so many options, you have to narrow it down more specifically what you're wanting for me to give a suggestion

>>96165880
That's what you get from playing a shit game from Joseph McCuckold

>>96166151
>play Misery Island Sinbad Happy Time
>no second edition because most gamers aren't masochistic enough to watch their expensive dudes get mauled by fucking turtles and monkeys leaving themselves stranded with basic thugs until they scavenge enough cash to leave
I win.

>>96166140
A TLDR would be give me an excuse to field a table of printable scenery stuff and iain lovecraft terrain, use it with a decent amount of minis and still enjoy the mechanics.
Regular fantasy options in the vein of D&D, Warhammer etc are a plus (or fantasy pirates with supernatural elements as another option) as are campaign rules though I can cobble those together on my own but overall I just want a fun fantasy game with lots of terrain and a decent amount of game to actually keep interest.
Basically a fantasy equivalent to Infinity, a less busted Mordheim or similar options.

>>96166180
What?

>>96166489
I guess he means Frostgrave: Ghost Archipelago and the fact that nobody plays it so the risk of a second edition is slim.

>>96166822
Yes.

Apparently the "Green Vault" from the new edition of K47 is based on the idea that a museum in Dresden is the core of a three century old conspiracy that manipulated central European countries to create the Axis for occult power reasons. Which is actually kind of cool.

https://warlord-community.warlordgames.com/konflikt-47-introducing-the-axis/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Vault

I think this new direction is good because it's more than just weird turrets on WW2 tanks.

Anyone know any companies that make good 28-32mm scale Chinese minis like Malifaux?

>>96162190
>>96162330
To be fair it is an anti-material rifle, so the length makes a bit more sense. The more common heavy assault rifle that the average trooper has is more proportionate to what you'd expect.

>>96167308
Wargames Atlantic to Boxer Chinese

>>96167303
That's nice, but it still comes off as blatant attempt to sanitize World War 2 and appease some overpaid sensitivity reader brought on board to satisfy some corporate investor's mandate. It feels very corporate and cynical.

>>96165880
Nothing says there won't be backwards compatibility so no reason to doom and gloom yet.

>>96167825

I think that's an unreasonable expectation from a Wargamer.

>>96167825
>so no reason to doom and gloom yet
LET ME ENJOY MY DOOM AND MISERY

My copy of the Doomed arrives today.
Hopefully I didn't get baited.

>>96167303
>indians in power armor
Hide your women

>>96168474
Didn't you get this out of your system in /hwg/?

>>96163119
>>96163223
Retard.
>>96165235
It's a shame SW Legion trooper bases come with no markings.

This Sandworm got announced for Heroclix, and I found it interesting how it is 1 character divided in 3 pieces tu simulate the worm lurking.
Is this a common thing in other games?

>>96167303
Their lore blurbs are surprising me. Apparently the USA has transitioned into a full Theocracy under gigachad war prophet FDR and they're planning to conquer the whole world. I like the idea of a Bolt Action variant that tosses in some Weird War shit, but the whole "changing the flags, changing the leadership" that they're doing for every faction seems like you won't just be able to throw walkers into your existing WWII army. Shame.

>>96169295
I haven't seen it much, I think Wasteman had a big resin worm that did that. But since ThunderChild Miniatures closed (the guy now is the Red Nebular 3D patreon) and Old School Miniatures took on the line, it's expensive as fuck and basically increasingly OOP

>>96167303
SHOW BOB AND VAGENE, MISS! SHOW ME YOR VAGENE MISS!!

>>96169295
I know there's some 3d prints of the same sort of thing. Also a dnd mini, pretty sure. They like doing that, like an octopus coming out of the water with tentacles on separate bases.

>>96167303
>The politicians of the Third Reich have been discarded
Pretty cringe tbdesu, agree with the other anon. It‘s an attempt at being safe edgy.
>Neu Republik
Why would that be a republic, are the demons of hell or whatever democratic? Also bad German.

>>96169295
I didn't think I've seen it with a worm. I've seen it with long krakens and tentacle beasts.

And none of them posts a picture of the actual miniatures. "Post minis" is never wrong.

>>96167303
There are many fun conspiracy theories around the end of WW2. The "Green Glove Society" was among my favourites when i read about it as a teen.

>Green Vault

Its a great museum, and i highly recommend it if you ever happen to be in Dresden. (And while you are there, you also should visit the military museum. Its amazing, if you like military history)

>I think this new direction is good because it's more than just weird turrets on WW2 tanks.

I agree 100%.

>>96169751
>Another Hudson Adams chimpout
Meanwhile, reality

>>96169830
Details aside, and just looking at the size, they fit almost perfectly next to each other.

>>96169751
>Bringing fb drama to 4chan
Ishygddt

>>96169751
Crawl back up your dad's pisshole. Stop trying to turn these threads into /v/tier shitposting.

>>96169751

You're really scraping the barrel here. Victrix knights are bigger than wga ones, while also being superior when it comes to detail and dynamism. It is also known that victrix has a bit inconsistent scaling with their models. Pic related for a size comparison between victrix and WGA.

>>96169751
Hudson Adams is such a a fucking faggot. Between his behavior and the extremely questionable casting quality, I refuse to buy from WGA at this point. It's a shame really because I had such high hopes with them

>>96169751
What's humorous is that he's trying to dig at their Napoleonic kits for being "almost 20 years old," which isn't true, but even if it was - Victrix 20 year old Napoleonic kits have sharper quality models than current WGA 2025 boxes.

WGA is the definition of SLOP. A constant steady churn of low quality shit

>>96169751
No one asked, no one cares.

>>96170167
hardly a problem in size i would say.

>>96170506
I agree, that's why it feels so slimy and disingenuous when the CEO of WGA is posting about incompatibility on Facebook, it just seems like he's slandering Victrix so you'll buy his product and not theirs

Schizos should be banned from public discourse.

>>96170506
>>96170546

He wasn't slandering victrix, he said that their models were bigger and that they've suffered from scale creep and he was responding to a topic about cross-compatibility between victrix and WGA.

Anyone here played Flames of Orion? I thought it's yet another remix of the mudcore slop but the rules look quite decent.

>>96167890
Would be nice to know what you think of it.

>>96170546
>>96170506
I usually don't mind differences in scale, but I think those knights are just different enough to be an issue. Maybe it's not so bad mixed in with a big unit but that pic just doesn't look right to me.

>play Stirring Abyss
>its underwater Lovecraftian XCOM

Lots of people make deep ones or sharks but does anyone make 28mm minis in standard diving dress? Other than Scooby Doo style ghost divers.

>>96171152
Reaperminis has a couple

>>96171020
Especially on that pic with the difference in pose it looks perfectly fine to me. But to make a proper statement I would need both sets in front of me, to see how victrix heads look on wga bodies and vice versa.

>>96170167
I think you could maybe get away with it for the heads but there's no way you could swap torsos and legs on those

>>96163598
A-are they supposed to look like that?

>>96170581
Hey I didn't do anything wrong I'm just lurking..

>>96163598
I think we need to see these painted. Or at least primed and then dry brushed to show the geometry. A lot of models look better after they've gotten edge highlights.

>>96171561
Based schizo lurker

>>96170167
thats also a case where the WGA barons war stuff is a little on the smaller side

>>96170642
This picture here >>96169830 clearly showed they're fairly comparable in size, with WGA actually being the tallest

>>96169302
I think the theocratic US direction fits because helpful magical Rift nonsense would definitely be seen through the lens of divine approval in the 1940s US, and it's consistent with their politics at the time.

>>96169770
It does sound cool from what I read on the wiki article.

>>96169551
"Republic" didn't necessarily mean democracy. It's as mutable a word as any other political term. But i like the angle of these shadowy conspiracy types creating the Third Reich only to produce the right conditions for their own rise to power. I'm kind of hoping after killing Hitler and blaming the Allies, they made Rommel their figurehead.

>>96171152
If you don't mind Victorian sci-fi, Deep Wars has a faction of deep sea treasure hunters.

>>96172611
Forgot pic.

>>96172611
>>96171152
Lead Adventure made several sets too
https://www.miniaturicum.de/VSF-03-Deep-Dive-Day-2
https://www.miniaturicum.de/VSF-13-Deep-Dive-Night-2

Some details on new K47 from the Warlord podcast, because I'm bored at work

>Army lists will be online PDFs, no Armies Of books
>The army PDFs will have fairly basic non-rift units because the focus is on Rift stuff, but all Bolt Action units are compatible with K47
>The starting factions are the Axis, US, British Commonwealth, Soviet Bloc, and Empire of Japan
>Seven supplements planned, not Armies Of books, more like campaign books.
>Five years of releases planned
>All units from 1st ed K47 have new rules with 2nd ed.
>Rift units are powerful but not obligatory. Playing a K47 force against a Bolt Action 1945 force will have a similar disparity to playing a Bolt Action 1945 force against a 1941 force.
>Not every option will have a model to represent its rules, expect to kitbash some stuff, example given was a Tesla cannon on a Pondskater mech
>Real life postwar units will appear, example given being an IS-3 tank.

>>96173773
Why do you keep spamming/shilling K47? We have already decided we don't like it. It's slop and they are cowards for removing all iconic WW2 iconography

>>96173972
>why do you talk about alternative wargames in the alternative wargames thread

>>96173972
>We

I really do hate the art design of the The Damned.

>>96173773
Neat.
>>96173972
>We

>>96173773
Fuck the haters, I like the German stuff. I need more fucked up science shit like Nachtalben.

>>96174041
I think the heavy infantry looks awesome.

>>96173972
>We

I don't care for K47 as a setting but the mechs look cool. I don't mind reading more news about it. And I honestly can't wait to see what they will release for soviets and Japanese in terms of new plastic mechs or power armour.

>>96174041
Post it here so we can hate it too

>>96174093
Have you been living under a rock? Damned stuff was posted here regularly during the last 2 years.

>>96174064
I meant The Doomed. My dumb ass just typed it wrong.

>>96170647
I haven't yet but I'm going to get a game in this next week with a friend. will report back.

The elf thread hit image limit so here's that elven knight/heroine I was painting up. She's the Reaper flood relief figure. Very striking pose, she reminds me of the uruk-hai commander in Two Towers so I'm just picturing her shouting at her girls to begin the assault on a human fortification.
No clue what I will use the dog for, likely another command stand. She can be a minor hero in Midgard or something, or a Warlord in Saga AoM.

>>96173773
>Army lists will be online PDFs, no Armies Of books
huh, might actually give it a try then, especially since i can just plop a unit of fireflies into a us bolt action force and call it a day
Definitely glad theyre putting in postwar units, though im curious how many and how far theyll go
It would be interesting to see a t44

>>96165880
Exciting. I love Oathmark.

>e idea that a museum in Dresden is the core of a three century old conspiracy that manipulated central European countries to create the Axis for occult power reasons.

Haha...yeah, that's crazy imagine if that's what exactly happened

>>96167434
I love the WGA Boxer kit for Pulp games. The WW1 Russians are a suitable opponent in Tsarist white and green with red caps.

WGA info video about their upcoming "Deathfields Arena" game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL3wIogUT4g

The mechanics sound quite nice.

I'm disappointed that they did not build a good looking board with all their available STL files for spectators, judges, and other npcs

In honour of the hulkster I'm thinking of buying rumbleslam, anyone played it before? Is it good?

>>96175808
Tbh I could get into this if I had an opportunity to do 5 of this sci fi kit, 5 or that etc. Mixing sprues into the starter set is a must

Has anyone here tried Sword and Spear Fantasy? Wondering if it has fully customisable army building, or prescriptive lists?

>>96175870
>anyone played it before? Is it good?
Imagine Blood Bowl but good.

>>96161171 (OP)
Can someone tell me about the war beagle minis?

>>96173972
I'm mad about K47 but I like hearing about it. I'm hoping they pull it off and right things. The new US mech does look cool and I like the idea of pulp rocketmen vs Teutonic powersuits, even if I think they've cucked

Any news about Oathmark 2nd edition? I'm wondering if it'll compile all the supplementary units/abilities into one volume.

>>96176785
Im hoping they do that as well as giving halflings a proper roster.

>>96161171 (OP)
No specific awg in mind but pretty proud of this one. Painted for a friend's b day

Is this any good?

>>96177118
neat, now post the backside

>>96177125
Yes, it has the anus :)

>>96177182
a singular anus?

>>96175870
I haven't played it myself yet (though I did get the Christmas set and will eventually get the starter set to play), but from what I've heard it's not the kind of game where you should care about balance or fairness. You're mostly here to watch a gingerbread man in a frosting speedo suplex a drider with big tits.

>>96177239
Well obviously, someone's gotta do the jobs brother

Does anyone have experience with PicRelated?
I can't tell from any of the pictures (rendering or painted models) if this guy has boots or is barefooted.

Most of their halfling are barefooted but they do have a couple of heroes with boots that I want to use as dwarf heroes, and I think this guy could fit well in my collection.

>>96177655
I don't have it but I say pull the trigger. Sculpting boots is easy and good practice.

And if you do a bad job, you can't really see his feet anyways.

>>96177120
>Weird Nam
Cool premise, but where do you even get miniatures for this?

>>96177816
Crucible Crush, who also publish the rules.

>>96161171 (OP)
sick aesthetic man.

>>96171152
>underwater Lovecraftian XCOM
isnt that just xcom 2 Terror from the Deep

>>96177823
Oh wow, their models look like SHIT! I'd probably end up using historical Nam figures from Empress, except for the monsters. Can anyone speak for how the game plays??

>>96177949
They look totally okay to me.

>Death Fields gets rules
>they're baffling and obtuse, asking you to keep track of the qi of each soldier that goes up and down constantly and this affects order of activation and stats

>>96178006
>more low effort SLOP from WGA
Imagine my surprise!!!

>>96175870
Played it several times, and find it most fun when you have 3-4 players. It's very much a party game. Hulkster himself, in this game, is alright. Not as crazy as the newer gold stars, but decent all around with good stats and abilities.

>>96177239
Yeah, that's basically it. And on topic of that: the jurassic team always puts the fear of God in me every time. Both T-flex and that turtle are pure monsters man.

>>96176785
the supplementary rules like skirmishes, javelin, shieldwall, phalanx actually make it a reasonable contender as a semi historical, would like to see those rolled in along with the halfling and Ratmen rules.

would also like to see extra heavy cavalry like cataphracts and early firearms without causing a math hammer rebalancing. If it's anything like the Dragon Rampant update which was mostly cosmetic I might save my money.

>>96176127
yes. it uses the bolt action style activation. you can very much build your own list. some interesting ideas but hasn't been updated in many a long year

>>96178181

The 2nd edition of dragon rampant is due in October, we don't know much about the rules yet. Did you mistake it for lion rampant 2nd edition?

>>96177805
yeah, you're probably right.
Can't improve and get better without taking some risks and experimenting.
I'll add him to the dwarf army box and a few more hero models.
Maybe I'll place the order by christmas or new year, after I get more models painted

Anyone know what the beagle mini's in the OP are?

>>96178564
Hunting Dogs from Carnevale. They'll probably be pretty big since the game's 32mm or something like that.

>>96178775
>>96178564
If you need a smaller beagle there's a great hound in one of the Reaper two-packs. It's a bit dear, though
https://www.reapermini.com/search/dog/sku-up/03970

Lately when I don't feel like actually painting a figure or find myself procrastinating I have been painting up a bunch of random scatter and set dressing that I had laying around half finished. Ive been using up these renedra infantry stands I have with the stuff and making little scatter pieces. They're kinda like mini dioramas almost. Keeps your painting skills sharp, good for practising edge highlighting and stuff like that too.

Please note the bird shit on the roof of the outhouse, thank you for your attention to this matter!

>>96178041
Are we still mad at WGA over comments and tweets or did WGA fuck up again?

>>96181201
It's just a schizo sperg, probably the same one who was posting midgard stuff a couple months ago. For several threads now he has been trying to stir shit up.

>>96181201
I don't want to know. My point is Combat Effectiveness is not exactly intuitive. Reminds me of both the speed clock in a marvel tcg and the wound system of Warlord from Reaper. But it changes on the fly, I think they were designing it like a videogame where the computer keeps track of this for you.

>>96181232
Well this statement didn't take long to confirm.

I definitely need to finish off my K47 fellas now! The Panzer IV needs some dusting and the side skirts to get glued back on though.

I don't know if I'll get the armored guys, since I ended up using WGA eisenkern and kitbashing, but I love the mutants, and double barreled STGs are interesting. I like the mechs too, but I have to finish my Spinne and Thor...

>>96181365
I need to buy a 12" GI Joe weapon and helmet set to finish the conversions for my Pacific War detachment.

>>96181390
I always figured Godzilla would be a soldier for the US. Minus one was basically him making sure they took that loss

>>96181306
Which one do you think bottoms?

>>96181434
Godzilla is a tsundere.
He "hates" the Japanese, but he won't let anyone else bully them.

WGA Friday email came out, and they showed off this as their Sneak Peak, but I can't make heads or tails of what it is. Some new faun kit? Beastmen? They have hooves, but their face are weird. Definitely something for their fantasy lines giving the movement tray.

>>96182057
>movement tray
Also they do kinda look like kitbashed RGD male fauns.

>>96182159
Maybe they've retooled them? Added new stuff to the old sprues? Didn't they do that with their Satyr Brutes recently?

>>96182196
They look the same to me.

Has something happened? the thread is so good right now.

>>96181365
I'd personally skip those new armored guys, they look too Star Wars to me. Older ones are cooler. The Panzer 4 mech is cool though.

>>96163096
Unfortunately. I hope they stop.

>>96177206
Yes, the brown eye of the beholder.

>>96178231
That's the one! Not much different from the first. It's a nice book but...

I remember seeing a "pulp Nazis" box fairly recently but can't find the actual name, anyone know what it was? It was about 20 varied minis (soldiers, gestapo, mad doctors, army dogs etc.), all in hard plastic, from one of the more popular smaller companies I think.

>>96182347
I think they work together fine. Similar to how Space Marines wear power armour, but Terminators exist too.

>>96181491
(You).

>>96182057
I thought it was just them showing off the movement trays and the new base design.

>>96182347
yeah, I'd rather just use Iron-Kore models and be done with it. Especially now that Warlord metals are pushing $10-12 a pop with shipping.

>>96182614
You aren't confusing the German Sentries from WGA, are you?

>>96182680
Definitely not; these do look very much like some minis of the set I'm looking for, but I remember that box having some kind of evil doctor, "butch Helga" type woman (possibly the same mini?) and being very much "gonzo adventure minor villains" pulp-style rather than historical.

Unboxing the at 43 starter box. I am very impressed by the pre paint and the sculpting its super good. Last thread someone said they were jealous I got hold of it but I promise to treat it good and share lots of great diorama pics and stuff

>>96182614
Wolfenstein Boardgame?

>>96182865
Not boardgame. Standalone miniature box. It might've been for some game, but it was just minia, no mention of rules of any kind.

>>96182858
Yeah, that was my reaction too when I saw it back in the day. AT-34 prepaints were the only decent ones in a sea of shit.

>>96182897
Definitely leaps and bounds above even the Rackham confrontation pre paints. I love havok so I'll do some comparisons at some point. These troopers are a good comparison model. A decade apart but still!

I've decided the British "Automated Mobile Platforms" are by far my least favorite models in the existing K47 range. Anyone know some good looking weird war 2 robot/mini mech models i could use instead? STLs or kits, either is good. If kits, about 3x the height of a human seems ideal.

Picrel is the current candidate, found it on Cults.

>>96182946
The thing I'm replacing, for reference. I get where they're coming from, but I wish they'd made it a robot holding a 76mm the way a human hefts a machine gun.

>>96182946
Have you checked Golden Dragon Games?

>>96182946
I was going to say Gear Krieg but then I remembered that there was no way those would be in scale and also I didn't know if it even still exists, but it turns out they apparently do have some STLs in 28mm scale.
Seems like it's just US and German stuff, but you could probably slap the arms and legs on a regular churchill kit since that's basically what the designs are anyway.

>>96182957
>>96182978
I'll check both these out, thanks. I may be having fun making weird war two stuff and planning to use their rules, but odds are Warlord won't get much more money out of me. Picrel, printed for a friend.

>>96182983
>>96182957
Update: Golden Dragon's Rhea Light Walkers are pretty close to what I was hoping for, thanks.

>>96182732
Dust?

>>96183030
Nope.

>>96182560
Of all the things /awg/ is hating on, the vendetta against Infinity bases is one of the silliest. I don't like square bases on sci-fi minis and round bases are THE standard shape of bases for skirmish wargaming,

>>96183078
I just don't like to waste money. I never use them and I'd gladly swap all my LOS arc bases 1:1 for the same bases without the arcs.

>>96182952
I have one of these and I love it just because it's so utterly ridiculous

reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrEokWE0dSE

>>96183078
Not! Void! looking hella swaggy there bro. Honestly sick models, they got some steez.

Does anyone know a good method making backdrops for mini photography?

>>96183096
It has goofy charm, but I've already fallen for >>96182997 these things. I'm gonna use the left body and reinforce that they're automated by painting a glowing red monoeye on the cockpit to evoke HAL 9000.

I'm pretty sure the first new British k47 release will have plastic Automated Infantry, so I'm holding off on those for now. Heard bad things about the metal kit.

>>96182614
Fucking found it, pic related. Turns out there were some rules/cards in the box after all.
Made by WGA, sold by North Star, branded as something else. Had me fruitlessly searching for WGA for a long time.

>bought some Oathmark minis
>now paralysed by choice as to whether I should base them individually for Oathmark itself or multibase them for a mass battle system

>>96183175
Why not use a movement that the individual bases can slot into?

>>96183182
I would use a movement tray with individual bases anyway. the thing is that multibasing looks a lot different. left is more versitile and appropriate for fantasy rules I'm aware of. right looks a bit more 'realistic' and a full unit would look impressive, but I'd probably need to come up with my own 'Dwarves vs Goblins' mod for a historical ruleset.

>>96183175
Multibasing sucks. How are you going to change formation when they're trapped in the one rectangle?

>>96183172
Also they have totally-not-The-Great-Escape minis.

>>96178116

T-Flex is a glass cannon, all mouth and no staying power. The Turtle, as you rightly say, is where it's at.
I've always wanted to do a Monster Mash team of Not!Blade, Teen Wolf, Frank & Stein, The Mummy, and one of the Black Lagoon dudes.

>>96183233
Multi basing looks different it is true but it completely locks them in the same formation. It would make running games like oathmark a bit harder unless you multi based them in single lines of 5 man units. Even then I find often I may have odd numbers making my units up like 18 spearmen or 12 archers etc...

>>96183368
yeah no that's what I mean though - I wouldn't play Oathmark if I multibase them. I would find something else to play.

>>96183384
I get that but you can still play those other games with movement trays.

>>96183368
where do you get the idea that 24 figures on six bases are "locked" in formation? it's easier to show line, column, square in this manner.

personally I think multi basing is great and speeds up setup and play but I don't like the really big diorama bases. Something always breaks.

in any case I would single base any 28mm game and keep my aspirations modest.

what's your notion for five figures a side Sci fi skirmish? just put together 5 Stargrave troopers, 5 crew ii, 5 scavengers and 5 wga cannon fodder.

>>96183496
The fact that those 6 figures can't be individually removed from their multi-base? That's what im talking about, not that you can't show "formations" but that the individual models are locked to whatever bases you put them on be it 5, 6, 10 or 100.

>>96162357
BSB's incredibly slow fulfillment on their 'totally not kickstarters' and 'holiday bundles' have really turned me off the company.

>>96183512
Well the ideal range for turn based tactics is 3 to 10 elements per side. And five is very much inside it.

>>96183087
>I just don't like to waste money
You are aware you can buy 100x 25mm bases for like 5 bucks with free shipping right?

At 43 spam will now die for the rest of the day lads.
I love the photos I got with the models, they have a very halo reach concept art sort of vibe

>>96182858
That was me, you'll 100% see more use of it than I ever will. It just reminded me of being a kid

I like your dead wargame museum idea you've got going

>>96184422
Im glad you like the idea! Ive got a havok display and a at-43 display now. The at one looks really good. For havok I have some sealed kits which look nice next to the models. I think I want to get VOR for the display next. Storing the empty boxes is the next adventure

>>96183078
I'll die on that hill.
If facings matter, circles are stupid.

>>96184325
It's the principle of the thing. I just don't like having to buy useless shit because it's bundled with stuff I want. Same goes for CB's current way of bundling minis.

>>96184404
>At 43 spam will now die for the rest of the day lads.
>it's back to K47 spam
noooo

>>96184826
Its funny how many wargames are just letters then numbers for some reason.
Ive got one more for it, the models from the starter safely in their display and an extra fire toad for good measure

>>96178564
>>96178775
>>96179665
dark sword have one in 28mm that looks nice
https://www.darkswordminiatures.com/shop/beagle-dog-2-pack/

>>96163096
They are not in fashion anymore, but thanks to battletech it should be pretty easy to find hex bases. Depending on the arcs you need you can just indicate facing with the way the mini on the base is positioned relative to the corners.
The only other laternative to painted markings were brass etch parts a company used to sell. They were made with Infinity in mind, but I suppose if you can handle a graphic editor you could also whip up some custom decals.

I just want to paint random dudes

I need a run down with pics as to why k47 is getting hate other than that the new nazi power armour guys are a bit of a downgrade from the last batch

>>96185428
I think it's cause across the board the game is leaning more heavily into the sci-fi element, where it's less attached to its roots as a WW2 setting and seems to want to appeal to a broader non-historical audience. This is manifesting in both the game's fluff with explicit references to Nazis removed completely, and in the models with the german power armour models in particular looking more out there and less grounded.

>>96185450
I know not much about K47 but the wierd war elements always looked not grounded to me really. Removing references to nazi's is grounds to never look at the game twice so I hope that isnt quite true.

>>96185473
>Removing references to nazi's is grounds to never look at the game twice so I hope that isnt quite true.

Who or what stops you from painting big swastikas on all the german models?

Mantics website doesnt work anymore, they have so many products. On the firefight factions page they have a page for asterians (old) and asterians and asterians doesnt load

>>96185518
I dont even care if they remove swastikas, but removing mention of nasizm is retarded. That is the faction, that was the force in the war the game is based on. Imagine making a game based on the civil war but removing any mention of the south

>>96185531
I think Deadlands unironically did that.

Mantic firefight has some pretty sick designs stuck in a game with years of unoriginality and bad models. I bet if it got rid of their not orks and not space marines the game would be better

>>96185591
Same with Kings of War. Some of the newer plastic kits are nice. But then you have the fucked up looking elves that are never getting replaced.

>>96185612
I dig the DESIGN of the elves, but I actually own some (well I own original twilight elves) and even though the kit had really good customisation and I like the design ultimately they are 25mm at best and that is generous, a warhammer fantasy high elve is twice as tall and 3 times as wide, its a bizzare joke that they thought it was okay especially when the rest of the game, such as their early undead are clearly in scale with GW's models.
Comparison pics online somehow show them as similar scale to warhammer fantasy but trust me they are not

they did show an updated elf for their dungeon game but it completely ditched the design which I like for generic steel plate, its a much better model but more generic

>>96185591
>'93 Super Mario Brothers Movie Koopa Troopa Not Halo BrutesTM

>>96185677
exactly on the money anon. When the bikes came out, and the newest enforcers were all power armoured up I knew they were showing off they could do HALO.

>>96185531
Maybe i'm not autistic enough to be bothered by that.. but again: who or what stops you from pretending your army in the game is 1st SS Leibstandarte, led by Hitler himself, inside his super mecha armor? Who gives a fuck if this is written inside their rulebook or not? You can play what you want with those models.

>>96185751
Yeah, you can just use the game system but it feels really wierd to have to headcannon the fact your german ww2 dudes in leather jackets and gasmasks are nazis.
I'm sure there are ways the writers can make it make sense, like Hitler is dead, someone else took over and declared a new movement which inspired the germans to keep fighting under a slightly new banner.

But you have to stop and ask why they made the decision in the first place. And then ask, do I want to have anything to do with people like that

>>96183233
Or use any of the rank and flank rules for fantasy.

>>96183356
T-Flex isn't as much of a glass cannon as I I heard. You need to double-team him in order to get his defenses down, and he can still counter-punch like a motherfucker on the first person attacking. Plus it's easy to keep him safe with that pink thing close-by.

>>96163096
>o
dick helmet head
vs the circumcizer guillotine wielding french neo revolutionaries

the at-43 images made me think about dust, is it not odd how exactly similar the aesthetics are between the 2 games? same boxey mechs, same blue scheme for the normie humans, same tone of blue too, and similar power armour

>>96185591
I'm really digging that Battle Pope/ samurai

>>96185903
Well, they were both designed by the same artist.

>>96186058
Oh thats interesting, if I were a company id prolly of asked him to make them a bit different

>>96185903
IIRC AT-43 was supposed to be Dust initially, hence the acronym Alternate Timeline '43. After Rackham died the artist started Dust. Not sure what he's doing now. Better models than K47 tbqh.

>>96186303
I don't think anyone would argue that K47 has better models or art. It's just a shame Parentes is such an ass, so Dust died.

>>96185768
NTA, but on the other hand...

Why the fuck would I want to play Weird WW2 if not to kill pulp Nazis and smash Nazi Wunderwaffe? They make perfect villains!

>>96186554
Kinda the problem, they do make the perfect villain. But in this kind of game, someone has to play the villain, and unlike a DM crafting a story, wargamers put themselves a bit into their army's shoes. And not a lot of people are comfortable with that and actual Nazis.

Think of it as a marketing tool to help those that want to play the guys with the cool werewolves and vampire mutants, but don't really want to fully be associated with Nazis. The players that want some more historical basis can still stick on their swastika, and everyone else can just play it off as the Nazis failed, so a new party took over the Reich.

So, to clarify: We don't have the full picture yet, but what little we've seen of New K47 lore makes it clear that the Third Reich were puppets of an occult conspiracy called the Green Vault (tied to a museum in Dresden apparently) and after the atomic bomb was dropped on Germany in 1944, the Green Vault openly displaced the politicians of the Third Reich.

In terms of visuals, I think the more sci fi direction is a good call. Old k47's weakness was that it was too dependent on just sticking sci fi turrets on normal WW2 tanks.

>>96186606
>And not a lot of people are comfortable with that and actual Nazis.
The average person playing a wargame is not going to randomly throw a Roman salute and start screaming slurs just because they played a WWII German army. More so, I think people are incredibly thin skinned outside of historical wargaming if they feel uncomfortable with playing against Nazi armies - be it weird war or otherwise. No offense to you and you have the right to your opinion, but it seems silly to me. The phrase Nazi is so overused that most people just tune it and the concept/historical aspect of it out at this point. Too many people have normalized it and cried wolf and now it is just a passe phrase.

>>96186719
It's a weird dichotomy.
Like Nazis are the worst thing ever, to the point where they cannot be allowed to exist, even as villains in fiction.
But also everyone who doesn't agree with me is a Nazi.

>>96186752
In all fairness, I've noticed that pretty much every weird war two thing has the nazis get completely distracted from their actual ideology in favor of whatever weird war stuff drives the plot, werewolves or infinity stones or whatever, to the point they're just generic bad guys in German uniforms. I guess there's nothing wrong with leaning into that.

>>96186606
If there's anything I've learned over the years: most military guys and gals love to collect, play, and dress as nazis even when they hate nazis down to their core.

Nazis just look cool......

Landsknechts look cooler.