Thread 96173649

Choose federal law enforcement. Choose the military. Choose NASA or the CDC. Choose lying to your superiors. Choose to ruin your career. Choose no friends. Choose divorce. Choose life through the bottom of a bottle. Choose destroying evidence and executing innocent people because they know too fucking much. Choose black fatigues and matching gas masks. Choose an MP5 stolen from the CIA loaded with Glasers, with a wide range of fucking attachments. Choose blazing away at mind numbing, sanity crushing things from beyond the stars, wondering whether you'd be better off stuffing the barrel in your own mouth. Choose The King in Yellow and waking up wondering who you are. Choose a 9mm retirement plan. Choose going out with a bang at the end of it all, PGP encrypting your last message down a securely laid cable as an NRO Delta wetworks squad busts through your door. Choose one last Night at the Opera. Choose Delta Green.


Anyways, new to making a general thread, any recommendations going forwards? Also I got the Green Box link, so should I post it here too or not?

>Thread Question:
What's your favorite group in the setting?

I love the Elder Things because they're the only guys humans can get along with at all
>I swear, those leathery five-sided frond wavers are about the closest thing to a friend we're going to find in a CoC universe. The fact that we can understand their art and their angles don't bite our faces off is a good sign.

I've heard about Delta Green several times but know very little about how it actually plays. What are the mechanics like, what's the campaign experience like?

>>96173775
Very much based off of Call of Cthulhu with some differences like the Lethality system (in addition to damage, some weapons have a set percentage of death, generally things like machine guns or explosives), and the Bonds system. Basically how many bonds you get depends on your background and are things like relationships or friends that are used to expand upon the character as well as regulate sanity. When Agents lose SAN or go temporarily insane, they can spend 1d4 from both Willpower and any Bond to try to repress the insanity, and usually gets played out the next time their is downtime between missions, and it's meant to symbolize it harder to even relate to the world know that you know the damning truths about reality.

Campaign wise I'd say it's definitely more investigative and horror driven. Think the X-files. They can also vary with the sheer amount of Mythos related groups/entities or even Era (90s DG was illegal conspiracy with 2000s DG having 2 forms of the official Program with all their fancy gov toys and the Cowboys that didn't come back to the new "official" DG and are largely self-reliant). It's a lot of fun, though I've only been a Handler for it. You can get the free starter book online called "Delta Green - Need to Know".

>>96173775
Take the investigation/mystery aspects of a typical Call of Cthulhu scenario, and add a healthy dose of conspiratorial paranoia and actual mechanics for watching your character's life disintegrate as a result of constant exposure to cosmic horrors, and that'd be a pretty close summary of your average DG campaign.

>>96173649 (OP)
All the 90's antagonists were very good. Sure having immortal nazis and magic mafias was perhaps too pulpy and cheesy for the new vibe they were going for; but at least the Fate, Karotechia and MJ-12 all had something going on for them. The new edition gives you some bare bones on potential threats and expects you to do the rest, while the presented groups from the Labyrinth pale in comparison with what is provided in Countdown, Eyes Only and Targets of Opportunity.

>>96173649 (OP)
Choose rockbanger. Choose berrypicker. Choose black fur and matching war mask. Choose flint tool
stolen from shaman with wide range of fucking attachments. Choose bang away at mind-numbing,
sanity-crushing thing from beyond stars, wonder whether grug better of stuffung rock in own mouth.
Choose Chieftain in Yellow and wake up wondering who grug are. Choose kilogram retirement plan.
Choose go out with rockbang at end of it all, PGP encrypting last message down securely laid smoke
signal as Rust Covered Arrowhead wetgrug bust into cave.
Choose one last Night at the Bunga.
Choose Moss Covered Arrowhead

>>96175235
I'm fine with them being dropped. Karotechia and Fate came off more as supervillain organizations than clandestine occultists and the "Greys are just skinsuits for Mi-Go" concept always left me sour on MJ-12. The OG DG antagonists always feel like afterthoughts stapled onto the game, albeit ones that had a lot of effort put into them.

>>96173979
>>96173980
Got any actual-play series you'd recommend?

>>96175582
I don't listen to actual plays myself, but I have heard good things about Black Project Gaming, Get in The Trunk, and Sleeping Low.

>>96175295
You know what, I had an idea for a Delta Green op where it turned out it either wasn't super natural and was just an agent gone anarcho-primitivist causing some havoc or something Ithaqua related happening to said agent, and I'm thinking about having them drop this or something like it, so thank ya for this.

>>96175522
I quite like Karotechia, even if the idea is a bit silly. Still a great first conspiracy for a group new to the game to work towards thwarting and feeling like they make a big difference, only to realize a bit later that it was an organization that was already on it's way out and they truly are in an unwinnable war.

>>96177595
Having a Night at the Opera turn out to be something mundane or the Mythos link be incidental can be very effective as long as you use it sparingly. There is a scenario where the players are supposed to investigate a women's shelter that might be a front for a Mythos cult committing sacrifices but it turns out that the people running the shelter are simply murdering their client's abusers and using a bunch of New Age gobbledygook that happens to unknowingly contain Mythos terms to make their clients think they have supernatural powers.

>>96179025
I think the problem is Karotechia being presented as a major antagonist when it's just three guys. I would have positioned them as much less important figures. However, I would posthumously made them one of the biggest threats to keeping the Mythos secret by having them realize that they're doomed by either the government or the progression of time and disseminating as much of their knowledge as wide as they could as a final "fuck you."

>>96179522
For the more mundane stuff, I know my players will most likely go in expecting supernatural stuff out the gate, so gonna do like 2-3 scenarios of mundane (with the last one having some unexplained elements that might be supernatural but might not) before leading it into either the first part of Future/Perfect or Music From A Darkened Room. And then from there throw in a scenario or two of mundane stuff as breathers or just to shake things up.

Also thought about throwing in some stuff like PX Poker Night to give them some established backup characters and stuff like that to flesh things out a bit more too.

>>96177595
Fish grug come out of water, make bunga with tribe. Tell story of sea father. Moss Covered Arrowhead
club fish grug.
Long face tribe come out of ground, eat dead grug. Tell story of earth father. Moss Covered Arrowhead
club long face tribe.
Sky devil come out of sky, take grug headbunga. Tell story of sky god. Moss Covered Arrowhead club
sky devil.
Long Walk shaman take sky rock to spirit hut, make bad magic. Moss Covered Arrowhead club Long
Walk shaman.
Moss Covered Arrowhead keep grugs safe from bad spirit. Store useful bunga and danger bunga in Moss
Cave. Talk with grugs by encrypted drum and secure smoke signal.

Identify Moss Covered Grug with call and response:
C: What do when cave filled with bug?
R: Make fire

>>96179522
Three guys with a lot of contacts, mythos artifacts/knowledge and a whole lot of latino neo nazis who would willingly lay down their lives for the 4th Reich and a chance of becoming proper aryans via the Veil of Skin spell. Knowing how many Swastika wearing South Americans there are that should give them a good recruiting pool.

Hi anon, I'm new to /tg and in general to 4chan, do u recommend buying the old DG books + coc (which edition?)? Or it's not worth the assle compared to standalone edition?

>>96182956
What type of brown are you

>>96183075
haahha no brown mate but not wasp

>>96182956
I'd say the newer edition is quite good with stuff like the Bonds system, but it did advance the time line about 20 years and it did take them a while to really flesh out any of the new groups for the old ones they replaced. I'd say at the very least if you are going to get any of the older books, then get Countdown. It's a wonderful trove of info and ideas, and really goes into depth on some of DG's best factions.

>>96173775
Premade setting is grimdark Call of Cthulhu with leftist political takes. System is something like CoC 6e meets 7e and a little more streamlined than both.

>>96184260
thanks for the response, honestly i much prefere the older books they get more of the vibe that i'm searching

>>96184690
Best thing to do imo is use both the old and new books lore stuff and take what I like, and use the rules from the newer edition.

>>96184493
Leftist political takes?

>>96185930
The books are generally anti-gubamint in general but they are especially heavy on "Trump bad, ICE bad, Christians bad, Rightists bad" narratives. The stock Delta Green villain is a cultist indoctrinating rightist and/or religious people to do evil shit.

>>96185968
Wow that sounds like it would be really annoying to read through.

>>96186075
It's mainly in scenario stuff like God's Teeth, a bit less so in the actual rulebooks. Also it's incredibly easy to subvert back lmao, since it's usually about people abusing their power in the organizations.

>>96186204
Is there a fan scenario where ICE stumbles across an aztec death cult and the players have to try and stop it?

>>96186223
No idea, but ICE is a player background you can have, so you could make it a campaign if you want.

>>96186075
It is, but like CoC itself you can ignore the setting and use the rules for w/e you want. IMO it's just a worse version of CoC though.

>>96186830
>IMO it's just a worse version of CoC though.
Can you elaborate?

>>96186223
No but there is one that flat out states the Tcho-Tcho weaponize claims of racism the moment anyone starts looking into their practices and the best option for a violent resolution is convincing the local Vietnamese immigrant community and skinhead biker gang to team up for hate crimes.

>>96186075
The main thing with delta green is that human beings are perfectly capable of being shitty without mythos influence, but nythos influence always makes bad things worse and is never that far away. The creators were anti government libertarian types in the 90s and they still are now. A big part of the settings core concept was taking what was going on in American conspiracy theory culture and saying "well what if nyalathotep was behind this?". The first DG scenario has greys and cattle mutilations in it and a big part of it.
They're more or less still anti bootlicking in general, they didn't stop just because we've got a new flavor of boot.
>>96186204
>since it's usually about people abusing their power in the organizations.
A big part of the new DG is that basically majestic won by rebranding itself as delta green and that it is impossible to know the actual motivations of the people up the chain. The same people that were giving mi-go permission to abduct people in the 80s in exchange for a cold war tech advantage are now your boss.

>>96186935
>The creators were anti government libertarian types in the 90s and they still are now
No, objectively untrue. They all have expressed support for left-wing/democratic politicians and at least two of them are self-described democratic socialists. Even when the setting has anything bad to say about leftism, it's that it's misguided or "its heart is in the right place", while anything remotely right is literally cosmic evil.

>>96185968
Aren't cult leaders and evil religions literally stock standard Lovecraft already?

>>96187649
>while anything remotely right is literally cosmic evil.
Dubya Bush didn't even KNOW about DG. Bush Sr. kinda knew. The only real moment a Republican was made to look bad was when Eisenhower made the deal with the Greys.

>All these snowflakes bitching about muh lefties
lol
None of the big names are really even mentioned unless they bump shoulders with the intelligence agencies or cause a shakeup. In a game that's based around fucking intelligence agents operating a conspiracy, I don't know what the fuck you limp wrists expect. Trump doesn't even warrant a mention outside of his little war against the intelligence services.

Is it good?

>>96188812
Yeah but those are cultists and evil cosmic religions. The church in innsmouth wasn't calling itself the local christian republican clubhouse. DG makes rl religion (mainly Christianity but occasionally Islam) and politics (overwhelmingly right-wing only) mythos fronts.
>>96189538
They specifically have to whinge about Trump being a "bigoted, unstable liar". How the shit anyone can read DG and then see what the writers post online and not get that it's borderline leftist agitprop is beyond me. They've used the in-character DG twitter to shittalk Trump ffs.

>>96189591
It's railroady as hell, *but* it's an adventure that deals with predetermined fate and casuality bent against the players to force their hunt onwards, of course it's gonna be railroady. Thinking about starting it as the 3rd scenario for my group as a overarching "adventure" stretching across my more sandbox style campaign.

>>96191575
It is exceptionally easy to turn it around on the real big lefty stuff in it, especially since government agencies always have fucky shit going on regardless on what party is in charge. Hell, God's Teeth has this one (optional) character early on that's the stereotypical "muh evil nazi gun lover" but I already got changes down to replace him with either a group of wannabe commie revolutionaries they can swindle or a more reasonable gun runner (think that one guy in Breaking Bad).

My usual friend group struggles with an actual campaign but I try anyway. I'm going to rip off a bunch of stuff and try to piece together something interesting that'll work for one session. Anyway I love this game, also love how much they like like the yellow king.

>>96191696
This is the thing that troubles me, for I cannot forget Carcosa where black stars hang in the heavens; where the shadows of men's thoughts lengthen in the afternoon, when the twin suns sink into the lake of Hali; and my mind will bear for ever the memory of the Pallid Mask.

>>96191798
Why don't we just speak of hastur and cassilda while the cloud waves break against the shores of hali, while the fog rolls in from the windows?

>>96191575
>Trump being a "bigoted, unstable liar".
But this is true.

>>96191680
Yeah but being able to ignore or replace it doesn't mean it isn't there in the first place, or that the guys behind DG don't express legit hatred of people they perceive to be against their politics.

>>96173649 (OP)
Not sure if these were ever posted or if somebody came up with a good home brew, but what would be some "realistic" stats and equipment for a counter alien MAJETIC team? UFO retrieval or elimination? Would it just be like Delta Force with next generation tech, or even more exotic? For example would it be unreasonable to have some guys whip out some 2025 SWAT team gear in a 90's campaign? Drones, real time WIFI connection, really good soft and hard armor.

>>96192333
I want to say there was some stuff people made for BLUE FLY, which are basically what you are thinking of since they were Majestic-12's UFO retrieval teams and usually had some stuff to try and make super soldiers.

>>96173979
>the Bonds system.
>it's meant to symbolize it harder to even relate to the world know that you know the damning truths about reality.
Seems like a very neat idea, but I've never liked it.
It feels removing agency to the character by forcing it to be shitty to people and spiraling toward depressing.....which seems to be the point of the whole game: crapsack world filled with depression instead of cosmic horror.
>All the 90's antagonists were very good.
>at least the Fate, Karotechia and MJ-12 all had something going on for them.
>The new edition gives you some bare bones on potential threats and expects you to do the rest, while the presented groups from the Labyrinth pale in comparison with what is provided in Countdown, Eyes Only and Targets of Opportunity.
I loved old DG and hate modern DG, except for the weapons rules.
>>96175582
Adding to >>96177501
Pretending to be People podcast.
>>96191575
>It's railroady as hell
That's the destiny of almost all CoC/DG adventures, with some rare exceptions.

>>96189517
isn't that just because bush sr. was DCI

>>96173649 (OP)
>Anyways, new to making a general thread, any recommendations going forwards?
Change "to ruin" to "ruining" in the OP to preserve the same tense stylization as the rest of it.

>>96179913
This seems like a potentially bad arrangement to me. Although it somewhat depends on how close you are to your players and how much they trust you (and I guess maybe their familiarity with the system, which tbf you do comment on when you describe what you think they'll be expecting).

But if you start right out of the gates throwing multiple mundane-resolution mysteries at them there's a good chance they start thinking something like, "oh great, this guy is an inveterate expectation-subverter, we're never going to get to the good stuff". It's like inviting people over for a BBQ and only grilling toppings to put on a pizza.

Imo sequencing the unexplainable scenario first is the superior general choice, all things considered.

>>96192333
>really good soft and hard armor.
dont even need to go fictional for that, vests comparable to modern armor carriers existed, they were just more expensive and not issued to line infantry. TG Faust, PBPV, Protech stuff, etc
https://gwotmuseum.org/2019/10/26/pbpv-personal-ballistic-protective-vest/
if you want to go more fictional you could give them kit based on the Objective Force Warrior proposals by crye, that was all happening at the turn of the century so it's not much of a stretch to push it back a decade or so.

>>96194020
I'm doing it that way, cause they got the general summary for the game system, and when we played Last Things Last, they were hyper tense and I had to prod them a bit to get them moving. I'm pretty sure they were expecting me to just throw something at them in the apartment, cause it ended up taking about 50 or so minutes in that part alone when it really should've have taken maybe 20.

Figure having things be a bit lighter/easier at the start will do well to not only loosen them up, but also make them a bit more confident. Also I feel like the increased confidence, sense of control and "wins" under their belt will make for a great bit of them realizing just how bleak and out of control things truly are as it goes on.

>>96191575
>They specifically have to whinge about Trump being a "bigoted, unstable liar"
Putting aside the fact that this is a statement of fact, show me this quote in context and explain why it's not relevant to the setting.

>>96192333
>but what would be some "realistic" stats and equipment for a counter alien MAJETIC team? UFO retrieval or elimination?
Counter alien teams would be essentially a platoon of bad motherfuckering dudes with designated air/ground support and a PR/blackout team on standby.
>UFO retrieval
Kitted out Delta Force dudes with specialized detection equipment like chemonitors or Geiger counters and multi spectrum goggles. Handing out alien equipment is a really bad idea given how poorly encounters with the Mythos go on average.

If you wanted to run this as a campaign it'd be pretty brutal

>>96192246
>Implying you don't
Glass houses anon

>>96189591
I've heard a lot of people say it's ok
I've heard some say it's bad
Never heard anyone really tell me how their run of it went because no one I know has ever played it

>>96192246
Seethe harder, boy... they're still at it and you still have a tiny dick that won't grow any bigger.

>>96194308
Well if there is a Delta Green thread up and you are still around here, I'll make sure to leave me and my players thoughts on it whenever we go through it

>>96193899
>removing agency to the character by forcing it to be shitty to people and spiraling toward depressing.....which seems to be the point of the whole game: crapsack world filled with depression instead of cosmic horror
That's Delta Green in a nutshell. People keep saying it's like the X-Files but it's more like fatalistic grimdark misery porn. It portrays the Mythos much more darkly than most other material, and is so angsty that it makes the stuff Lovecraft wrote look noblebright by comparison.

I think it's partly why it isn't nearly as popular as Call of Cthulhu. "Come play a game where you inevitably get assraped by a mi-go and then go home and beat your wife unconscious" isn't a great hook. It's definitely not my cup of tea. You can divorce the setting from the mechanics, but AFAIK the only two notable distinctions between CoC6e and DG are the Bonds (which like you said railroad you into a doomspiral so they really don't work for a more general setting imo) and Lethality rules for automatic weapons (which can be easily ported to CoC anyway).

tl;dr to me CoC is more like an X-Files experience while DG is more like a collaboration between Garth Ennis, Thomas Ligotti, and an edgy middleschooler from 2005.

>>96195069
It's just desperately trying to have an identity and react to a world where the media face of covert operations is so different than what it was pre-GWOT, (but without much knowledge of what that even means/looks like) the corny attempt to gamify combat trauma is just part of that being slathered on top of a game that's still at its core xfiles coc.

>>96195069
>"Come play a game where you inevitably get assraped by a mi-go and then go home and beat your wife unconscious" isn't a great hook. It's definitely not my cup of tea.
Same.
>Lethality rules for automatic weapons (which can be easily ported to CoC anyway).
That's exactly what I do.
>>96195151
>It's just desperately trying to have an identity and react to a world where the media face of covert operations is so different than what it was pre-GWOT
>the corny attempt to gamify combat trauma is just part of that being slathered on top of a game that's still at its core xfiles coc.
100% this.
I hope Chaosium will start pushing for more mechanics in handling Investigator Groups, especially fixing Credit Rating.

>>96195240
Anon, the bonds aren't just beating your wife, if anything they are mostly far from it. It's also stuff like being unable to really relate to others due to your experiences or emotionally distancing yourself for them for their own good even if it's destroys the relationship or devoting everything to your work life that your relationships with others slide away. And this isn't just relationships with like a lover or family, but can be friendships and the like.

>>96195331
Not him but it's still the same vein of an inevitable depressing doom spiral for your character no matter what they do.

>>96195338
I'd say it being a depressing doom spiral is fitting for something to do with Lovecraft, and before anyone like that one anon above says it, Lovecraft was incredibly bleak and it's actually CoC that I would say is lighter than what Lovecraft had written. Hell, even though the 3 professors at the end of The Dunwich Horror ended up saving the day, it still left them pretty messed up even if they still had their sanity and relatively uninjured. There are a lot of pretty good scenarios people have made for DG that honestly pretty damn tame when it comes to anything bleak or depressing. Also there are quite a few ways to repair sanity and bonds, and even form new ones.

Idk, maybe I'm just used to a depressing setting cause I've played a fuckload of Dark Heresy and the other 40k TTRPGs where there are really no happy ends for a character.

>>96195400
>and before anyone like that one anon above says it, Lovecraft was incredibly bleak and it's actually CoC that I would say is lighter than what Lovecraft had written
Randolph Carter? I agree that CoC is lighter than Lovecraft and more based on Derleth (I prefer it personally), but Lovecraft stories weren't as miseryporn-tier as DG's.

>>96195417
Randolph Carter was an author stand-in for Lovecraft and one of the very few Lovecraft protags that didn't succumb to a horrid fate. And I'll agree that DG can go overboard (mainly and especially the more recent stuff that Caleb Stokes has been doing), but there's also a lot of stuff is DG that is rather tame, like Dead Letter, Future/Perfect or A Victim of the Art.

Also doesn't help that Arc Dream is for some reason going all in with Caleb Stokes with all the "God's ----" stuff. IMO there is definitely something weird going on with that guy.

>>96195444
>Caleb Stokes
>there is definitely something weird going on with that guy
I mean, TDS is literally a mental illness now.

>>96195467
No, I mean other than that. Besides all the "God's ---" scenarios he also wrote "Love in the Ice" with the facehugger-wannabe rape ape. He just really seems to like writing about sexual horror/trauma.

>>96195476
He's fucked up, but it seems like most modern CoC/DG scenario writers are. Most of the modern-day CoC scenarios also constantly feature rape and sex cults.

>>96195476
just seems like typical 'edgy' horror fiction stuff

Going to CO my first game this weekend for a group of 3-5 newbies to delta green.

Last Things Last > A Victim of the Art > The Last Equation is a good sequence for one-shots right? Scenarios that happen in relatively the same region in quick succession. Plus it's way too early to put them through something big like Impossible Landscapes.

Anyone know any other good one-shots or short scenarios that can be done in a few sessions with the same characters? I'm using the early 2010s as the setting for these.

>>96195678
Can't say anything for The Last Equation cause I haven't read it, but I love A Victim of the Art and was definitely gonna be running it for my group.

As for your other question, use this: https://dg-scenario-database.com/
Great resource for getting a list of official scenarios along with a bunch of together stuff like shotgun scenarios. Plenty of stuff to choose from and expand to suit your tastes.

>>96195730
Thanks, what would be your personal recommendation for virtual tabletop? The roll 20 modules for $5 seems pretty cheap, but I usually use owlbear rodeo and just scrounge up free assets

>>96195746
Oh, I used Foundry for when I ran Last Things Last for 2 separate groups. I've had some real annoying experiences over the years with Roll20's fucking jank, and I'm not about to run a campaign on it if I can help it.

>>96195730
nta but thanks, great site

>>96195791
No problem, it's honestly such a great tool that I'm still kicking myself for having forgot to put it up top.

>>96195497
He's a edge lord who got an outlet for his fetishes.

whose's got the last two pages of Victim of the Art? The archived 4plebs PDF seems to have messed them up

>>96198062
And here's the last one, good luck with your campaign.

>>96198110
Ah okay, I thought there were 2 more pages after Thornhill, guess the 4plebs PDF just had extra pages, thanks

>>96185968
yeah there are way too many Christian cult antagonists

>>96173649 (OP)
How would a Black cod island game go?
Especially given that the head of the Program has a hateboner for Deep ones, it might be too easy for players.

>>96195746
Also while setting some stuff up, I realized I forgot to post a screencap of how it's looking with Foundry. Gonna be using the Journal system to make little pins so my players have a choice in scenarios (unless I decided to override them at points or they want to start up a larger operation)

>>96200155
The book claims that it will take weeks and several dead agents to discover the secrets. I personally don't believe that shit for a second. It's pretty obvious.

>>96175582
"Role playing public radio"
Its a rotating cast and they play other systems as well. But i think at least a few of the regulars have published DG modules.

>>96189591
It's a railroad through and through but in a way that contrivance pops up and it calls attention to its nature as a railroad. It's one of those things that really depends on your group because it more or less requires your group to go along with the plot as written and expects the GM to enforce the narrative. On more subjective notes, its politics are front and center, it's surprisingly squeamish about its topics at times, and, at least in the first part, it muddles its themes.

>>96202081
I think only Caleb has actually published, Ross submits a green box scenario every year.

>>96201970
i guess if they mean it in the sense of figuring out every detail, but yeah the gist is pretty much there

>>96195069
The X-Files was fatalistic and grim as fuck, you just didn't notice it because half the episodes are Mulder and Scully investigating a guy having his intestines sucked out of his ass by the Shit Sucker of Scamblebam County, Arkansas. The arc episodes are basically "the world is inevitably ending sooner or later, and the best Mulder and Scully can do is push for a later ending." And while I do feel the Bond system should have better implementation (there really needs to be other ways to bleed off trauma in addition to it), I think it works better than CoC's insanity mechanisms.

>>96195476
Stand name?

>>96202267
Yeah, even though I generally like most of God's Teeth, the political shit gets even more in your face and far more annoying in the last half. But I'm having more fun with planning how to change things up to have less stereotypical "ebil right wing" and throw in some lefty loonies too, to about an even split, and also changing some of them to be more reasonable. Honestly, Caleb Stokes is the worst when it comes to shoving his political views into any new Delta Green stuff, cause at least the other writes have done a lot of stuff that doesn't involve their politics (or politics in general) in them, like the Transformation of Henrietta Z.

>>96173649 (OP)
What's the next book that's likely to be released?
I hope its a sourcebook we have enough scenarios right now and there hasn't been a proper sourcebook in like 4 years.

>>96203163
They've been talking about a new York/fallout from the destruction of the fate book for forever, and I know Glancy has been working on his campaign that takes place over an entire century that involves Ghatanothoa. I'll assume we'll get some news at gencon.

>>96203163
The put a little update on the DG website for art in the Millennium sourcebook like 2 weeks ago, but I'm not paying for membership so I don't know more than that.

>>96195444
>Also doesn't help that Arc Dream is for some reason going all in with Caleb Stokes with all the "God's ----" stuff. IMO there is definitely something weird going on with that guy.
I liked in God's Teeth the Agents being unwilling pawns of a God, but the setting has become "misery & depression" porn for me.
I can make CoC more lightweight, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but I can't see myself running DG in any other way.

>>96203163
It's probably going to be Millennium, but given the schizophrenic work ethic of the main guys it could be anything. Both Millennium, Operational History and Those Who Come After have all been worked on for some good fucking years.

>>96203315
They're all stretch goals from the original Kickstarter, aren't they? If Impossible Landscapes is anything to go by, Arc Dream is feature creep: the company.

>>96203176
>the fate
i sleep

Before I finally get some sleep, just wanted to show off the progress on the campaign plans. Each pin is a mission, usually shotgun scenarios or other small ones mixed in with the larger ones.

I’m running my party through Reverberations at the moment. One of my players executed a prisoner in a DEA interrogation room. The party has full access to the DEA office. They deleted the camera footage, but the prisoner was shot with a signed out service rifle. They were going to try to pin it on a ‘mole’ in the DEA who they suppose stole the old reverb case files from the 90s, but they just found out from their handler that DG did it and they don’t have a convenient way of producing evidence for a different patsy at present. Is there any reasonable way out for the PC that domed the guy, or does he just have to take the fall?

>>96202381
>The X-Files was fatalistic and grim as fuck
Isn't Scully protected by Catholic angels?

Regardless, the fact Mulder and Scully even succeed and survive makes it less grimdark fatalistic than DG, where you are expected (and intended) to inevitably fail an operation and die or go insane and become unplayable. You have to buy into its specific brand of horror and be in favor of hopeless misery and anti-agency akin to Warhammer. I don't care for it.

>>96173649 (OP)
>Anyways, new to making a general thread, any recommendations going forwards?
I don't think it will be sustainable and if you regularly want to talk about it the horror general is one of the better generals on this board

>>96193899
Good thing you can just use the new rules with the old lore without any issues. Program is too busy being on the lookout for Hastur Incels on the chan instead of going boots on the ground like the old days.

What's a good way to balance a new Agent being adapted to Violence from the start? I can't imagine that a dedicated military veteran wouldn't be used to killing people or being shot at already.

>>96203315
I'm willing to bet it's going to be those who come after and then another 4 years of either reused 90's stuff and more scenarios before we see any more source books.

>>96204936
They avert the alien colonization in 2012 but the Malthusian extinction plot of the revival seasons was left open ended.

>>96189591
hahahah, God No
No its not
It's politically charged to an annoying rate, especially for someone who doesn't care about US politics. Im a European, most of the adventures inside just have a brush with the paranormal. If you take that out, little changes. its still "Some system in America is bad" type of story and it gets real tiresome. it's also annoying squeamish about everything.
The idea isn't outright bad but it jerks itself off too much and others parse it too much. its not that good. If you ask someone whats the best DG campaign they will probably say this and Impossible Landscapes, but I didn't play IS so I can't say for that. GT definitely isn't that good. You can always blame your group or Handler for it but you can do that for any game.

>>96203176
I hope they cover more of the Keepers, they are more interesting than the fate.

>>96207017
Hell yeah, another Keepers fan. I already love ghouls, and then they have a holy war between traditionalists that only eat the long dead vs heretics who hunt fresh victims? It's cool as hell, and it really makes you wonder just why they haven't expanded more on them.

>>96205823
You can always modify the Extreme Violence stuff under the Damaged Veterans section of the Agents chapter.

>>96207054
Its cause they are obsessed with Christian cults.
Any other cool Unnatural groups are way under utilized.

>>96203315
I am waiting so patiently for my big-ass order to arrive.

>>96195400
Call of Cthulhu is in no way light, what are you talking about.

>>96189591
It's ok.
It's no Impossible Landscapes tho

>>96207926
He never said it was light, just lighter than DG. DG is straight grimdark.

>>96194297
NTA but I would wager the main difference there is if he had a DG-like IP he probably wouldn't do what the DG devs do by pretending one side is blameless and the other side are a bunch of tropes.

>>96205625
>Good thing you can just use the new rules with the old lore without any issues.
That's exactly what I do.
I love old discarded ideas, like the Rhino Teams, and hate the direction modern DG took.
http://fairfieldproject.wikidot.com/rhino-teams

>>96209966
none of the gear listed meshes with the description given

>>96210057
It was more about having a specialized team going in when the investigation goes south, and saving the campaign (maybe even some PCs) with it.
I liked that concept.

>>96209966
Isn't N-Cell (from Owlstead mountain) basically a Rhino team.

>>96210325
Yes, but Rhino team was fanmade and came before it, so I'm kinda fond of it.

>>96202081
If you wanna listen to a DM go "uhhhh" between every word, sure.

>>96203163
More than likely it'll be The Millenium (ie Countdown). Im pretty stoked on that, since 90s DG is best DG.

>>96210728
NTA, but I much prefer rppr to the usual actual play cast of aspiring comedians and improv actors either telling jokes over each other or super hamming it up, with an obnoxious podcast-safe soundtrack in the background. I just want some dudes playing some games going on in the background, and as a bonus, several times I think "shit, these guys literally get paid to do this and they aren't *that* great, I have no reason to be worried when I run a game."

>>96210728
I don't know about them going uhh, but the one episode I watched a third of I found the entire cast annoying.

>>96210933
Handler and Agent guides: try to keep a good and straight mood this is meant to be a horror game
Every single actual play: either B tier CriticalRoll where everyone is cracking jokes and making references to media or its a they/them Skittles party.

>>96192361
>>96194066
>>96194289
I'm less worried about exact specifications and more about presenting a captivating picture. For Delta Green I envision hardened veterans dating back to the last major war or two of the present time. For 90's Vietnam and Desert Storm. For present Shock and Awe. For anything earlier WW2/Korea. They're dressed in "civilian" military looking gear, suits that can hide guns and body armor, or sweaters and "baggy" jeans or sweat pants with similar convenience. Motorcycle club gear for more exotic, meaner look. They're using tricked out, custom setup black market guns. Steyr's that were "destroyed" from old police armories. M16's that vanished from military bases. Possibly personally issued (not to them) Glocks if they're still in active policing jobs.
For the Majestic Team I see guys in either straight up military hardware or decked out with Secret Service undercover gear using weird equipment. Nothing supernatural or alien, but prototypes possibly pioneered from tertiary breadcrumbs born of said alien research. Narcotic stimulants that can put off sleep for half a week. Armor that's really, REALLY good. Covert optics that fit perfectly into field glasses and let them see in total darkness with proper colors and no "glowing" downsides. Perfect comms. etc. I want to avoid any "cheesy" shit. The most I'm willing to think they might have are guns that are distinctively "after market," IE something is very strange about them. Blue Muzzle Fire, etc.

>>96211196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4hTSHqrQs

>>96211249
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DtgMQw2Pog

>>96192333
Pic related is from Jack Frost. In the novels BLUE FLY Operatives are described as wearing dark blue uniforms with black helmets and vests. Their rifles are topped off with whatever spec ops shit you can imagine. The NVGs are the most special thing, described as being at least 15 years ahead of what was standard military use in the 90s.

>>96211330
In Through a Glass Darkly they used 10mm MP5s but I would assume they would also primarily use the Colt 723 or the M4 depending on the time period

>>96211196
Define cheesy

What's a good site to find modern VTT assets? I just need the usual like cars, trees, small buildings, etc. to set up the map

>>96211196
so DG with the OGA contractor look of a given era and Majestic with the slightly sci-fi/ghost recon equivalent? makes sense. those near future clancy games have a lot of gadgets that could fit their vibe i think, fusion optics that use sonar or other spectrums, integrated information processing, rudimentary metamaterial 'cloaking' etc.

damn that makes me wanna stat up an sv8 team with bodark stuff

>>96214099
TC modern (use Kemono)

I bought the Humble Bundle package and I'm getting ready to play with some friends on Foundry. I have the game set up, I just need a good scenario to play. Is there a better intro scenario than the one in Need to Know? It seems like there's not much to it, just visit two locations, investigate a bit, zero combat unless you ask for it. I get that it gets recommended because it's free but given that I already own a bunch of books, is there something better out there to start with?

>>96215175
It's a great little primer and you can spice it up pretty easy, especially if you say, drop this scenario (https://fairfieldproject.fandom.com/wiki/Metamorphosis) in at the end. If you do that, you can have a bit of foreshadowing while you are in the apartment like on a tv or radio.

>>96214571
Yeah, that's pretty close to what I'm thinking. I feel like the "hunts" these two groups go on should have a more "personal" taste to them. The men capable, but still highly relatable.
>>96211540
Matrix inhuman movements, obvious energy weapons, stuff that's a little too cyber punk. The hunters shouldn't be the side show attraction. You've got enough of that from what you're disposing of.

>>96215209
Oooh, that's a good idea, thanks anon I'm stealing this!

>>96215175
>>96215209
>>96215616
Actually, one more question, where does everyone get their NPC images? I tried using AI slop but it's mostly fantasy stuff and the rest has that instagram look that makes everyone look like a doll. Does anyone know if there's a repository of realistic looking character portraits that would fit DG style?

>>96215837
this person does not exist
public domain images
local sloppa

>>96215837
>Does anyone know if there's a repository of realistic looking character portraits that would fit DG style?
Look up video games from the genre like a Tom Clancy title or real pictures of Swat Teams. Using Duck Duck and a few other search engines you can exclude AI images, or suppress them at least. For extra SOUL levels look up old Blizzard avatar icons from their Starrcraft, Terran units. Also, "Crusader Without Remorse" has some good looking portraits.

>>96194257
The context is that Trump does irrational and illogical things that risk the clandestine nature of Delta Green and the extreme lengths the Program goes to in order to keep the Unnatural under wraps, so it's completely logical honestly. Trump IS the president you would NOT trust with Delta Green shit. He would just kind of go "Well, folks, big Mi-Go! They're my friends! Some of the friendliest, ah- big lovely Mi-Go men, folks! They're here, in the Poconos! I met some, very friendly, not like Hillary - not very friendly at all! - folks!" in the middle of a debate about school zones or some shit.

>>96216808
You have no idea how often I wish leftist views about Trump like that were real. I want him to either be super useful to general right wing causes, or so destructive he takes this nation right into the shitter, but neither has happened.

>>96216831
As a person he is almost entirely the latter but he is surrounded by an elite general staff of tard wranglers who constantly keep him shackled. Occasionally he picks up a tard wrangler and eats them alive and manages to blurt out something obscenely retarded and unhinged or even outright leak classified intel publically, but then the other tard wranglers just pull on his shackles again to keep him low to the ground. Either way it's a risk DG doesn't want to take.

>>96215837
I've tried generating my own AI slop for certain out-there NPC concepts but it's extremely inconsistent for basically everything.

>>96216848
I think that's probably 99 percent propaganda and the truth is much less entertaining than that - and much less hopeful to me, since as I mentioned I do hope things get very bad very quick.

>>96215837
>>96216850
I dunno, I get pretty good results with ChatGPT

>>96217602
Damn. What's your secret?

>>96194257
>>96216808
>>96216831
Libshit views on Trump are so disconnected from reality concerning him it's amusing as they fail to grasp why their repeated criticisms of him ring so hollow. The guy's weakness isn't that he's some irrational NAZI (TM) nor is it that he's a conman, liar. His weakness is ironically enough his loyalty to "oldschool" libshit positions that are no longer "popular" amongst their degenerate thralls and his familial and friendships he has connected to Jews, which cause him to compromise his positions based upon those friendships/loyalties.

>>96217602
>Generative AI is amazing and magical, totally not using archived pictures and a minimal catalog of postures to barely get away with copyright infringement/IP theft. As it produces shitty recreations that look like they were smeared with Vaseline.

>>96217718
>Delta Green
>Steal popular conspiracy theories
>Steal Lovecraft's mythos
>Change names/tweak shit to avoid copyright/IP theft
>Totally nothing like AI output

I like Delta Green more than any game, but pretending it isn't just stealing other people's shit and filing off the numbers is pretty funny

>>96217770
I think most RPG's "suffer" from this, but nobody really gives a shit.

>>96217780
Of course they do. Stealing shit and tweaking it for personal use is the root of the hobby.

>>96195759
If I buy Foundry can I directly upload Foundry VTT modules from kemono and have it work with full walls and lightning, or do I have to directly purchase them?

>>96217791
Still doesn't change the fact that AI is ghey, doh.

>>96217896
yeah you can just drop them in the folder manually or use the manifest url if they provide one

>>96173649 (OP)
I think I’m going to take the iconoclast premise of starting as ISIS fighters and roll with it. I brought up the general premise of the campaign to my players and they were receptive to it. They even created their racist arab-sounding names and all.

>>96217996
Oh well damn that's good. It'll save so much time having to set up fog/lightning for every map.

It's a shame about God's Teeth. Caleb Stoke's original version was a lot better and less preachy, but between his beta version and release it got stupid fast.

I prefer the original less politically polarized (though not entirely absent) version he did for RPPR back in the day.

>>96217896
That's how it works but just FYI Last Things Last module doesn't have any lighting, walls or anything like that. It's very straightforward with its maps. Also if you're going to run on Foundry, Terminal module is a must.

>>96218088
Got it thanks, I'm sticking with owlbear rodeo right now its its really simple, and Last Things Last just needs like a handful of maps.
How does character inventory work for DG? Is there full support for having player characters carry weapons/armor/etc? Or do you just quickly add items like "AK-47" and give it it's own stats?

>>96218138
If you're asking about Foundry then you have a bunch of items all ready to drag and drop onto players character sheets

>>96218278
Yeah that's what I meant. It'll save time gearing up NPCs if it works for them too

>>96218088
Are you referring to the "Terminal" module by CodaBool or the DG Player UI by Zephir, that makes it look like the game is on a terminal. Cause that first one does cost money, though it is a small amount.

>>96217630
IDK, Adjectives and precise descriptions.

I really hate the discrepancy between how Delta Green is portrayed in the lore and novels vs how scenarios tend to actually play out
It's disappointing reading about Delta Green engaging in large scale military operations against mythos threats or all the major players within the organization being these Michael Mann-esqe characters that are cool, competent and always one step ahead of their enemies and then jumping into the game itself and having players blindly bumble their way through everything.

>>96205823
>How do you balance not losing sanity from very specific SAN loss situations, which still happens if you gun down innocents, at the cost of being able to talk your way out of situations that you might not be able to shoot your way out of?
What's there to balance, numbnuts?

>>96217702
>His weakness is that his coup attempt failed
>His weakness is that as a rich land owner in New York, he cultivated relationships with Jews
>His weakness is that he isn't as much of a chud loser as he'd like chud losers to believe he is
Poe's Law is in full effect here

>>96218955
>A story that's written out by one dude is more coherent than five people all pulling in different directions
Wow holy shit anon you might be on to something here

You need to harness the chaos caused by the players. Part of the fun of DG is the cover-up and trying to explain to your handler why you needed to bomb that orphanage.

>>96218955
Fall of Delta Green’s GUMSHOE system makes PCs feel smarter at the cost of removing player agency. It’s worth looking into.
Also, it happens in the era where most of the cool shit happened.

I like my Delta Green more "Rust Cohle-via-Fox Mulder" than this tactical SWAT shit so many of its fans jerk off over.

>>96218955
give your players more information and more resources then

Handler's Guide doesn't say it but what's the typical lore-accurate response if DG finds out your Agent can cast Hypergeometry? Instant kill-on-sight?

>>96221254
In most situations it depends on which DG you are working with. Cowboy? Probably. They will also keep an eye on you and have a kill team ready even if you have a good reason. Program? I guess they will turn a blind eye to that as long as you are a valuable asset.

>>96221254
the Outlaws leadership has a wizard on it
and the Program has connections to march technologies

>>96218332
The first one.
>Cause that first one does cost money
Lol.

>>96220350
>PCs feel smarter at the cost of removing player agency.
You're gonna need to elaborate on this shit.

>>96221683
I was just making sure, didn't want to spend some money on something I didn't need and then be told it was the other one lol

>>96201329
Is there a site you use to get the Foundry modules for the scenarios or do you just buy it from drivethrurpg?

>>96222191
Depends, I got mine back when they did the Humble Bundle, but a lot of it will stuff I have to make myself. Which honestly isn't too hard to do, just takes time.

>>96221854
It was the paying for software part I was laughing about.

>>96218955
From what I understand Delta Green lore is that the agency and agents are extremely, exceptionally retarded, inefficient, and suicidally stupid in the decisions they make and actions they take. But apparently that's intentional because "muh grimderp nihilism" setting and tone it goes for. The writers can do that if they want, but I'm definitely not interested in playing it.

>>96223260
Where did you get the idea that the agents are incredibly retarded?

>>96223260
In my games the players are retarded in their choices but the agents are kinda proficient at what they do. I dont know where this misconception comes from, must be GMs fault.

>>96221698
GUMSHOE investigation systems are based around having skills (called investigation skills) as pools rather than a linear scale, and spends them according to the difficulty of the task. For example, a scientist will have 8 points in biology and can spend 3 of them to discover some bullshit mi go fungus. When you have the necessary skill points and spend them, you will always receive the clue. You then try to amass as many clues as you can.
This means that the game is inherently kinda railroady. All the open-endedness comes from which clues they gather and how they interpret them.

>>96223580
It always goes like this
>there's [insert generic evil mythos plot here] going on and we gotta stop it
>we have no resources and don't want more because we're too busy dicking around like high schoolers with inter-agency drama so we're sending 4 retards with a local broom closet as their base to go stop [generic evil mythos plot]
>4 retards are supposed to bumble around blindly and ineffectively with the goal of the game being to show off how awful the world is and how hopeless humans are so the agents never actually succeed at anything significant
>if they manage to not get killed they'll still go insane and if they are extremely beyond belief lucky with dice rolls they might be able to stop [generic evil mythos plot]
>gm is supposed to reveal in the ending their efforts didn't matter anyway and there are 9 million more generic evil mythos plots going on so the agents were doomed from the start
>"the end, hope you guys had fun playing"
It's your bog standard 40k helplessness wanking, but at least in 40k you can look somewhat cool while marching to your inevitable and shittily-written demise. In DG you're a lamb to the slaughter from start to finish, except you also have to go into detail how your agent's life is slowly and irreversibly ruined by how incompetent they are at their mission.

If I wanted my balls busted I'd go to the local Thai massage parlor and spend less money and time for the same experience Delta Green prides itself in offering.

>>96224012
Please do not insult 40k by comparing it to DG.

>>96224012
So you're either the retarded one or have a dogshit GM, ok.

>"we have no resources and don't want more because we're too busy dicking around like high schoolers with inter-agency drama so we're sending 4 retards with a local broom closet as their base to go stop [generic evil mythos plot]"
Well the Outlaws don't actually have too many resources, what with being an illegal conspiracy and all. And the Program still has to deal with other agencies bullshit, much like real-life, because there are a LOT of grudges between agencies. Also the Program does have resources for the players to use, it's one of the main draws to a Program campaign.

>"4 retards are supposed to bumble around blindly and ineffectively with the goal of the game being to show off how awful the world is and how hopeless humans are so the agents never actually succeed at anything significant"
Wow, players aren't supposed to know what they are investigating right away in a game based on investigating thins? Color me surprised. Also not everything needs to be this big save the day and be the big old hero plot, if you want that just go play DnD or some shit.

>"if they manage to not get killed they'll still go insane and if they are extremely beyond belief lucky with dice rolls they might be able to stop [generic evil mythos plot]"
Have run a few games, have only lost 1 pc cause my players aren't retards and do dumb shit Also insanity is very much a slow process and successfully doing things like stopping the mythos threat or other things can award sanity back.

>"gm is supposed to reveal in the ending their efforts didn't matter anyway and there are 9 million more generic evil mythos plots going on so the agents were doomed from the start"
That's a shit GM. And the "oh there are more threats out there", it's a fucking adventure hook.

>>96224107
>insanity is very much a slow process and successfully doing things like stopping the mythos threat or other things can award sanity back.
In CoC. Didn't DG specifically get rid of that because something something "REAL men play to lose"?

>>96224116
No, it's still very much a thing that you can get sanity back. I had a player lose 3 SAN over the course of a scenario and at the ended he rolled well and got 5 SAN. Also some of the downtime activities for the Home stuff can strengthen Bonds, create new ones, or award San. Not shown in the image attached is the other like 3 or 4 Home activity besides therapy that adds San, or the others that give some San as a bonus on a crit success.

>>96224012
>It always goes like this
No it doesn't. Talk to your GM you don't like the way the game is played right now.

>>96224168
Didn't know about this. I admit that's a really good rule and I stand corrected.

>>96224012
did you just have a shitty gm or hear about it through osmosis or something?

>>96224327
Here's some of the other stuff that can help San or Bonds. Also on Bonds, depending on your job you can have quite a few starting out (minus stuff like SWAT that have very few starting bonds), and still get more AND have the ability to repair them. Also people forget they don't have to have their bonds soak some San damage all the time.

Also a lot of the real San damaging stuff is shit that's kinda obvious to avoid, like pissing of an Avatar of Nyarlothep to their face or studying the creepy, bleeding book made of skin or stuff like that. Play even a little smart, and you avoid a lot of issues.

Has anyone here run a GRU-SV8 campaign or used them in any meaningful way in their games?

>>96173649 (OP)
What book are you guys most excited for?
For me it's deep state as it looks to be a pure sourcebook focused on the program and march technologies and any info that fleshes out the Delta Green factions is great.
But that begs the question of what would an Outlaws Sourcebook be like?

>>96225957
Easily The Millennium and Machinations for me. I just prefer that era of Delta Green.

As something to just geek out on, I cannot wait for Operational History.

>>96223879
I know how gumshoe works. "You always have information" isn't inherent railroady at all. This is a really fucking stupid critique.

>>96224012
I've ran plenty of DG and it never goes that way. Either your Handler is an idiot or you are an idiot.

>>96225977
I am excited for Operational history, though it isn't a pure sourcebook going by the leaks.
I am just happy for more info on the P4 era, and unlike the other sourcebooks it might actually come out within the next 2 years.

>>96226025
Apparently it's so large its now been broken into 2 books. Considering Detwiller spends more time doomscrolling the news instead of writing and painting, I'd expect it in like 2 years.

>>96226048
Yeah 2 years feels about right (for part 1)
There's likely going to be one more book released this year, which is going to be just a scenario, and then December 2026 is when we will get Operational history part one.

>>96226048
I hate how that motherfucker is just glued to whatever social media sperging about the news instead of doing his fucking job and putting out books.

>>96217718
>autist is face blind
Many such cases

>>96219350
>Coup attempt
Go back

>>96225909
I don't play as russkockroaches.

>>96224012
Nogames detected

>>96227889
It's been a long time since I ran/played Delta green, where would be a good place to find a game?

>>96226451
It's hilariously stereotypical

Wasn't there someone making a homebrew book for a Japanese mythos hunting group a long while back? What ever happened with that, cause I feel like you could have some interesting stuff happen in Japan.

>>96191825
I pray God will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in its truth--a world which now trembles before the King in Yellow.

>>96173649 (OP)
The plot of Lover in the Ice.
https://youtu.be/Rhoq95LKo2E?feature=shared&t=35

I have a theory that the misery-porn tone shift from 90's Delta Green to Delta Green now is a knee jerk reaction by the writers from being compared to the X-Files for a decade.

>>96235678
Honestly, probably a mix of that and the constant doomscrolling online.

Sure thing, Dennis. Keep telling yourself that.

>>96235678
If you listen to any interviews with the Pagan dudes talking about the kinds of games they were playing before they even published the first DG, it's really obvious that these were the kinds of games they were running and playing in since the beginning. Its a lot more than baseline CoC has gotten more and more pulpy as the years have gone on.

>>96236047
None of these are incorrect and your feminine warbling doesn't change that.

>>96236058
Dennis, get back to writing you cuck.

>>96230053
Do what I did
Find friends. Figure if they're game for playing pretend for a few hours. Tailor a game to their tastes. Make pregen characters or something. Drop them into a self contained mission. See if they dig the style. If they do, twist the nipple for another sesh. My current group is about to lose one character to insanity so I'm gonna go over to his place to play video games and help him make a new character.

>>96236063
NO I WANNA DOOMSCROLL FUCK YOU

>>96235678
I think a big part of it is also just the current era media they had to consume was all 'pointless sandbox war' type stuff like hurt locker and etc. Internalize that as the zeitgeist and apply it to DG's Long War in general.

Also, going out on more of a limb, writing conspiracy stuff in the early 90s and the nature of mass media then meant you could insulate yourself from influences you found politically offensive much more easily vs. it all just being on the unified social media platforms, so it feels like much more of a downer to someone inclined to doomscroll 'cause they don't have to seek out militia movement literature to get it in their mindspace or whatever. Glancy said something to that effect in an interview (and also showed he hadn't read or didn't remember one of those 90s conspiracy manifestos while referencing it)

I find it fascinating how little people like Dennis see parallels in their hyperbole to retarded right-wingers during Obama.

Oh well, what do I care. I just want some new books.

>>96233818
Yeah, I've known a few people who were interested in it til they learned the big monster was just an otherworldy rape ape and could in fact do horrible things to their PCs.

>>96236117
>Also, going out on more of a limb, writing conspiracy stuff in the early 90s and the nature of mass media then meant you could insulate yourself from influences you found politically offensive much more easily
What conspiracy theories existed that weren't politically offensive to them at that time? Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, and thats about it?

>>96237126
Yeah, a lot of what we take as obviously fantastical today was seriously considered back then. Psychic abilities are a major one, being a fully mainstream topic in the 70s and 80s, ancient astronauts another.

>>96237126
UFO stuff mainly. The whole government made a deal with UFOs thing was a real belief in conspiracy circles, they just awkwardly shoehorned the Mi-Go in. What I mean is more like it was easier to focus on that part without doomscrolling into the second half of the conspiracy aka 'The ZOG made a deal with UFOs to subvert America into the NWO' and so on.

Thoughts on a homebrew system where you can take opioids or other heavy painkillers for 1d4 temp HP but run the risk of addiction?

Speaking of X-Files, has anyone played Conspiracy X? I've heard its a cool game but the system sucks.

>>96237813
How about reduce weapon lethality by half? Extra HP doesn't really make sense in this case.

>>96237813
I'd probably just have them reduce your Agent from passing out at 2HP to 0HP.

>>96238843
Gonna be using this for my games, cause that just sounds like a neat idea.

>>96175582
I really enjoyed green box gameings impossible landscapes playthrough

>>96236047
God I wish the DG writers werent such cucks. I can look past them being massive fagots as I can take the ideas and just make my own garbage for my players but boy do I want the pisces book just to get some ideas. I like twisting DG into it being a humans being very resilient even in imposible odds we just keep going.

Related I just finished a map for the first thing I've actualy written for my players. Feels good to know I'm doing more than Dennis

>>96237510
>The ZOG made a deal with UFOs to subvert America into the NWO
That parts true though

Watching a few actual plays over the last few days and wow, it is amazing how many people think you can just buy a handgun in a state you're not a resident of, but also think it's somehow impossible to fly with firearms.

>>96239788
Nice, what did you use to make that map?

>>96216831
>TRUMP IS GOING TO ROUND UP ALL BIPOC/LGBT/NON-CHRISTIANS AND GAS THEM!
>TRUMP IS GOING TO DESTROY THE US FOR HIS BILLIONAIRE FRIENDS!
God I fucking wish. Trump is honestly the worst fascist ever, he allows the media and people to protest continuously, allows firearms, allows boycotts and outright terrorism. Yeah if Trump was a fascist they'd find out really fucking quick.

>>96219350
>coup
I remember when the US Army stormed the capital.

>>96240151
Blender and a lotta pain

>>96233426
It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of a living god.

>>96175582
There's a really overlooked one called "Chaos Engine" that do a great job.

"Sorry Honey..." I *would* recommend because their Handler is amazing, but two players are so fucking insufferable I gave up after the second arc.

>>96236047
>>96240219
Dennis is a really good example of someone legitimately mindbroken by politics. He was literally telling gay and nonwhite people to leave for Canada or Europe because there were going to be death camps in Trump's first term.

IIRC Dennis himself emigrated for the same reason. Then when his schizo twitter posting obviously never came to pass, he started saying
>well no, but we gotta stop it BEFORE it happens!!!

>>96242684
I love how adamant he is that this "was the last election you'll ever have. It's over. Get ready for violence." He reminds me of Jeff Tiedrich, but even more schizo since he is basically talking to himself.

And aside from politics, he quite honestly comes off as the most arrogant person I've ever seen in the RPG sphere.

>>96243352
Strong words from a man who bailed before anything even started.

>>96243352
So when do we think he's going to become one of The Furious?

>>96243352
>we have to kill them before they kill us
He sounds very much like a nazi

>>96243593
He's never going to do anything he preaches because he's a middle-aged middle class, expat family man, on a Canadian island, who goes to "llama therapy" and spends half his day on BlueSky.

They should hug and make up

>>96225909
I've been on & off trying to incorporate them into a homebrewed Iconoclasts (that's ended up getting too big and too scattered honestly), but it's kind of a clusterfuck. give them a new unit number and have them trying to run something like the afghan bounty program but for DG agents & friendlies. maybe have some Alfa in the mix

>>96173649 (OP)
>>Says it's not copaganda
>>the power abusing feds are the good guys

>>96243352
My favorite part is how his profile claimed he "invented The Backrooms in the mid 90s" because of Night Floors, then quickly removed it.

>>96244275
>My father would womanize; he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

>>96173649 (OP)
Looking through descriptions of books:
-Fate content in the Conspiracy book
-Fate content in the Machinations book
-Fate contant in the Falling towers book
I am...fatigued

>>96237838
unisystem is great, not sure what your talking about unless your that myrmidon press shill that pokes into the armageddon threads.

>>96244317
oh boy i LOVE reading about an rpg writer's favorite """"""cool"""""" npc

>>96244388
based & sologaemspilled

>>96217770

As the old saying goes:

"Good artists borrow, great artists steal."

Finished my first oneshot as a Handler, doing Last Things Last
>party of 3, one guy couldn't make it
>On the way to Baughman's Cabin, they realized they were being tailed by 3 cultists, from a cult I made up.
>Stopped at an abandoned warehouse to take care of them, fairly easy combat against 3 unarmored cultists.
>At Baughman's cabin, I give one of the agents a grenade launcher with 1 round as loot
>Fires it at Marlene for 18 damage, one of the agents takes 3 damage even behind heavy cover
>Agent proceeds to die from Marlene's attack
>Revived by The Other and has to be put down by the other Agents
I really didn't expect a player death in this, but I guess it's a good way to have them prepare for really hard shit like Lover In The Ice and Music In A Darkened Room.

>>96245288
Hey, glad to hear it went well (other than one guy not being able to make it). Also I don't usually see people putting a cultist spin on Last Things Last, so that's rather unique!

>>96245335
Yeah I mainly wanted to ease them into combat with some basic cultists for them to cut through. I've got some cults set up with different motifs, but I'm trying not to force it into every adventure.

>>96175582
Get in the Trunk is the only one I've enjoyed enough to listen/watch more than once, it's solid on RP and action-to-consequence ratio, and the players/characters are amusing enough to keep it fun without ruining the serious atmosphere. Seasons 1 and 2 are related, season 3 is standalone with a different handler, and seasons 4-6 are the impossible landscapes campaign, with a s1/2 character brought back for comic relief/timeline bullshit.
Good time to jump in, too. They're actually starting season 7 in a couple of days, cold war era, "operation twilight specter." There's a 1 minute trailer somewhere on YouTube.

>>96246945
The *only* beef I have with GCN's run of Delta Green is a moment in Impossible Landscapes when one character *clearly* should have died in combat, but the Handler decided to switch what constituted a success on a Luck roll arbitrarily (or rather, clearly to keep the character alive for the show). It sorta took away the possibility that any real stakes were at play, and also destroyed what would have been a great and poignant character death scene.

Other than that, it's a fuckin great actual play.

>>96240225
>A coup is only ever a military action
Playing the pilpul game isn't gonna save you, rabbi

the amount of winter-themed modern battlemaps to run Lover In The Ice is pitifully low

>>96249054
Agreed. They definitely seem to care more about telling a story than sticking to the rules, at least in their DG and CoC campaigns. I'd love to see them do some highly lethal short DG scenarios, 2-5 episodes, where they can put the danger of the system front and center, instead of handling the characters gently for the sake of a big finale.

>>96173649 (OP)
Are there any rules for riots shields in Delta Green? My muscle man agent might become our squad's point man, and anything that can help keep the spooky pointy bits away from him would be useful

>>96254803
Not that I've seen in official or homebrew. But off the top of my head you could probably make it like the helmets where it adds a little extra armor (maybe 2 or 3 points), but to represent it better make it only work against attacks that are coming from a direction where they would logically impact the shield. So you (or a foe) would be tankier against attacks coming from in front of you, but stuff like getting flanked is still a reason to not blindly charge in.

>>96254853
Makes sense to me. I just wanted to see if there was something official before I asked my handler about it

>>96250283
NTA, but a coup implies that they had the means to seize power even partially. I don’t see that as being true even pif they did execute the legislature, which you’ll recall they went 0-5 against. A nuclear armed, planetary hegemony ain’t a golf cart to hop in and go joy-riding, it takes smart, organized people to do the most basic things (ie the people MAGA aren’t).

Saving a reply, if the bureaucrats in DC are ready to go full fash the minute some toothless hillbilly whispers “Hail Hydra” in their ear, why should we keep them on the job when they could stop the proverbial naughty mustache man by playing hooky for a day or two?

>>96244388
I used to like The Fate, but the constant favoritism of them over other, more interesting factions like The Keepers has near completely soured the group to me

>>96256045
Fate is yet another instance of something that could be good and interesting if the writers showed restraint, but ultimately made worthless through authorial indulgence.

>Arc Dream makes a big deal about how their going to update Delta Green for the post 9/11 world
>Majority of scenarios take place in CONUS
I get that investigations are DG's bread and butter but you think they would've down more stuff with the GWOT aside from Kali Ghati, Night Visions and Iconoclasts

>Arc Dream makes a big deal about how their going to update Delta Green for the post 9/11 world
>Majority of scenarios take place in CONUS
I get that investigations are DG's bread and butter but you think they would've done more stuff with the GWOT aside from Kali Ghati, Night Visions and Iconoclasts

>>96256045
>>96256119
I dunno, the Fate have always come off as cringey to me. It comes off as something from someone's long running highschool game.

>>96258762
>Frankly, it’s very, very unlikely that the agents could get far in a program against the Fate. MAJESTIC may be an easier target, and that’s saying something. It’s one thing to be among the most powerful men in the United States government. It’s quite another to run one of the most powerful cults in the world. Against the awesome power of the unnatural, the cloak-anddagger intrigues of MAJESTIC pale in comparison.
lmao, these guys got taken out pretty easily

>>96258555
it just seems like they're actually not really that interested in post-9/11 dynamics or the idea of players being in the fold instead of against it. being in the program is written a lot more like being an outlaw than not, hooks just say 'an algorithm flagged' instead of 'a friendly noticed'. iconoclasts and kali ghati are exceptions, and there's probably others i'm forgetting, but overall the vibe doesn't feel like it's really capitalizing on itself.

>>96259097
scenarios should factor in the differences between the Outlaws and Program more
the only ones I can really remember that could be done by both factions while being altered by the faction the players are a part of are Ex Oblivione and Victim of the art

>>96259097
At the end of the day DG is still restricted by being a clandestine, need to know, cell-based conspiracy that has to actively work against the efforts of existing agencies and power structures to do its job. I think the game could do well by showing that the difference between the Outlaws and the Program is philosophical, and basically boils down to "do you want your efficacy hampered by a lack of resources or by those resources having strings attached?"

>>96256119
The fate need to be much weaker, they should be a powerful occult gang with a tricky and unkillable leader.
He may be invincible but strike the ground underneath him enough times and he loses power.

>>96191912
>my opinions are FACT
k

>>96256045
What other factions besides the keepers need to be fleshed out more?

>>96173649 (OP)
Just how bad is getting fired if you have enough criminology to continue sourcing gear for DG ops?

>>96243352
If trump was based he'd enslave dennis and make him actually work on shit

>skim the thread
>mfw politics shitflinging
Every day I become more and more thankful that my Handler and DMs run homebrew shit instead of official campaigns or adventure paths

>>96261864
Anything that isn't more blatantly beating off The Fate. Hell, do some more stuff with the lesser used Old Ones. Anything besides this one fucking small group that basically lives in a single Night Club that they hype up to be harder to destroy than MAJESTIC itself!

>>96261864
Other national agencies/units that deal in the unnatural desperately it.

>>96262531
I fear for what Arc Dream has in store for GRU-SV8

>>96262623
nah it's gonna be pisces that gets it hard. they won't know enough about russian intelligence services or society to write anything truly embarrassing. i mean they're still calling it the gru in an official capacity

>>96262623
>>96262661
>a part of Russia's abysmal performance in the Russo-Ukrainian War is due to GRU-SV8 convincing Putin that they can restore the glory of the Soviet Union through mass human sacrifice using occult rituals
>unfortunately almost all of their legit eldritch artifacts and grimoires were sold off during the 90s and replaced with fakes

>>96263030
now I want to play as Gru-SV8 and have missions in the middle of a warzone

>>96262531
What are some good ideas for Delta green equivalents that we don't have?
And how can they distinguish themselves from the others, like Pisces and the Shan?

>>96265437
aside from russia, france needs a better one
china
pakis
iran & israel
>like Pisces and the Shan?
the really shouldn't all have gimmicks that color everything imo, more about having factions that can be the basis for international scenarios or complications in them or etc. often their natural irl position informs the flavor enough i think

>>96265764
>iran & israel

>>96265997
this is great, Iran should be the nation where the delta green equivalent is the most powerful (relative to the state)

>Dude every country should have their own version of Delta Green
I don't remember if it was Glancy or Tynes but one of them said the reason why their not going to do that is because it's going to undervalue the mythos since if there's like fifty agencies investigating that sort of thing then it's not really secretive anymore and it just becomes any generic urban fantasy setting.

>>96268720
Personally I would say they passed that point long ago.

Regardless, if you're going to have UK and Russian counterparts then there's no real reason for other notable regional powers or states with traditionally strong intelligence services not to have something, whether formally or informally. It's a setting where the unnatural is pervasive enough to have a steady stream of operations in just the CONUS, why not the rest of the world?

>>96269137
Because like I said earlier it devalues and turns it into any generic YA urban fantasy
I don't want DG to turn into the SCP Foundation

>meanwhile, Delta Green equivalent operatives in India
https://youtu.be/l01AMCBG0Wk?si=Elu2WlovTDjszrdV

So are we actually going to make /dgg/ a thing or is this sadly a one-off?

>>96270093
I'd like to make /dgg/ a thing, its my favorite game

>>96269918
we still need some more than the 4 we have
I'd like Iran to have one mostly

>>96262661
Not knowing enough about Russia or Russian intelligence services has never stopped anyone from writing about it before.

>>96270093
We should. The Horror General usually ends up being 90% DG talk anyways.

>>96270093
One of the big reasons I made this thread was also to gauge the popularity of DG and if it's viable enough to keep making a general thread for it. Since we are about 2 weeks on, I'd say it is.

What is the best modern era DG scenario?

>>96276157
Based on my personal experience and having not read all of the modern scenarios yet, Last Things Last is fantastic and should definitely be near the top. Great for on-boarding new players to the system/setting, can easily be dropped into a ongoing campaign with no problems, makes for great filler if you need some or want a breather. Also it's one of the easiest official scenarios to modify to suit your needs or tack anything onto. Just very versatile and easy to set up.

>>96276157
i liked wormwood arena, but desu the other anon is right that last things last is probably "objectively" the best in terms of accomplishing what it's trying to do and being flexible enough to work for a majority of games & groups.

>>96194086
This makes me think
The sci;adv games had killer tension as visual novels and could be classed as horror
For most of their runtime it’s a lot of mundane life shit with social anxiety, and the feeling of some looming conspiracy
With technology even something that breaks the rules of the world somewhat such as text message time machines or monopoles is something nightly secret that organisations of power would kill each other for

One of the scariest things in the world is not some monster
It’s people

>>96270093
/dgg/ isn't a common thread?

>>96276655
>It’s people
Anon you like thrillers and listen to trucrime poscasts while drinking wine in the bathtub, ywnbrm, stop bending other genres to your narrow range of preference and call it revolutionary
Leave horror alone

>>96270093
/dgg/ is like /dzg/ popular enough for a general but not enough to sustain one
You get one when anon's make it and you don't after a while until another makes it

>>96261885
Losing the clout, money, and administrative advantages of an official organization is devastating.

>>96262661
God, I don't want to see how they fillet PISCES.

>>96279889
we already have some samples on the archive, but they're from 2020

>>96173649 (OP)
>TQ
Never gonna pick a fucking RL spook faction for my table. I just play it with different divisions of SCP or BPRD.

>>96173649 (OP)
What the actual fuck is going on with this dude's mask? It's like...night vision goggles over a gasmask, but the gasmask is fucking weird and makes no sense to me.

>>96173649 (OP)
My favorite enemy is Black Cod Island
The pacific northwest and marine assthetic are great.

>>96280987
it's just an m40 mask

>>96173775
I've been watching DG content from "Into The Darkness Club". Pretty entertaining.

>>96282387
>want to watch DG stuff while at work
>tfw don't want to accidentally spoil something my Handler might be doing