Unironically, how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game like the old days and stop focusing on the tourneyfag shit that's butchered the game?

>>96176273 (OP)
Just do that, nothing is stopping you from playing that way.

>Inb4 some post 8e. fags tell you it was always tourney/compfag shit

Have friends or children.

>>96176329
SOVL

Go to the battle bible thread and realize 40k died a long time ago

>>96176273 (OP)

First, it probably has to be a separate game. 40K/MtG/DnD are the containment games to keep all the worst people out of other games. You could tout it as being like 40K for adults.

Then, insert stuff competitive players will hate. Random terrain tables, NPC monsters/aliens attacking passers-by, random event tables for stuff like rain and solar flares, units/characters being able to level up, etc. It will be unbalanced but as with games like Necromunda it would be up to individual leagues to enforce decorum for their campaigns.

I don't think it will happen though. When AoS first dropped it tried to be a beer and pretzels game. It had rules like "shout a war cry to re-roll your hero's misses" and encouraged players to just use a reasonable amount of models and then give the losing side some reinforcements. And then you had all the interesting 40K variants like boarding actions that the fans just totally ignored. So in GW's eyes they get punished by the playerbase when they try to have fun and expect gamers to act like reasonable people.

>>96176335

>>96176329
I have those same trenchs what do you think of them?

>>96176273 (OP)
Post your last game of 40k so we can mock you for not having:
>painted models
>actual terrain (painted)
>a custom scenario

>>96176374
Damn, that's so true. Everything is streamlined for tournaments and everything that's not is mocked or at best ignored. I kinda get why, I was playing Warmahordes at a super competitive community. While playing tournaments you get to travel to other cities, play with new people against armies and lists that are less common in your area, etc.

>>96176273 (OP)
What is it about 40k that facilitates narrative, and how does that narrative impact gameplay?
From an outside perspective, it looks like it's played as a series of one-shot battles that are more dependent on army composition, positioning, and tactical decision making than on the grimdark slop story pumped out by GW or the fanfics written by the slop-chugging imbeciles.

>>96176374
There's the idea of the narrative campaign. The problem is that nobody actually plays like that, as much as they whinge about how awesome it is. Largely because it involves a lot of time and effort that's not appreciated, and trying to wrangle players into it is way harder than "we all show up at X and play a 3-round Swiss Bracket", and anyone that's TO'd can tell you that's a pain in the ass already.

>>96176273 (OP)
Just play necromunda, has the rules for that already and a better design team.

Narrative gameplay for a game that can be as expensive as 40k sounds like a massive pain in the ass to facilitate

>>96176447
There's a good reason the most successful systems are ones that facilitate pickup play and have points and listbuilding.

>>96176374
big smash bros players turning off items and playing on battlefield vibes

>>96176273 (OP)
>Find a friend who likes 40k fluff
>Agree to play a fluffy game
>Have fun
It can't be that difficult, can it?

>>96176329
>Gets shot off the board in my opponent's first shooting phase

>>96176273 (OP)
Rebrand quick-setting polyurethane foam spray as Citadel Instant Terrain(tm)
Modify it to have thematic color tints with names like Nurgle's Garden, Vraks Battleground, Skalathrax Gorefield etc
Have it packaged with a small baggie of sprue clippings and the occasional actual bits (skulls, etc) that you have the players sprinkle over the foam while it sets
Market it with cheaply made plastic tools like a crater stamp or citadel branded drywall scraper for cleanup

You can have this one for free, you're welcome Gdubs

>>96176335
>>96176400
Thanks. Need to paint more but it's been fun using my FDM printer and some foam/cardboard.

>>96176409
I don't use the quick connect tab thingies but I like them well enough. Appreciate that it's free.99 for the files and let's me add some flavor to my board.

>>96176561
I actually played 1,000 pts of my necrons based in the town and my buddy deployed his 1,500pts of Tau where ever as long as they were >36" away. Goal was to take the Necrons out and secure the town before turn 3, or I'd get to deepstrike another 500 pts anywhere on the board. I totally understand this doesnt translate to like a competitive tournament vibe but it was awesome. We're playing pretend with lil toy soldiers and it's way more fun imo then cookie cutter lanes and l-corners.

>>96176374
tbf that's entirely the wrong way to do beer and pretzels. You still want to know how much a unit costs. And the gimmicky "reroll if you have a beard" just wasn't fun. It's not fun to do that. You need to have crazy stuff happen on the board, misfire charts, stupidity rolls, bizarre spells. You need actual potential for wacky shit and not just "if you are over thirty your tomb kings get an extra inch on their charges"

>>96176273 (OP)
Does that fatass have purple tips at the end of his hair or is it the lighting?

>>96176329
This is so boring. Lackluster painting on your stuff doesn't mean it's some how soulful where are we, /v/? Who would build a line of trenches facing rocky outcrops and why would the soil somehow be so dissimilar to nearby ground?

>>96176273 (OP)
>how do you make it fun
You cant with the current community becuase the current community does not understand what a wargame is.

Modern 40k is viewed as a board game where the objective is winning or losing.
The reality is, warhammer is meant to be a WARGAME where you play out scenarios and simulations, the enjoyment is the running of the simulation and seeing the outcome of it. When your community is approching it that way, you can then start making a metric fuck ton of simulation ideas to run and see how they play and have fun with it.

Modern 40k cant be fun because its trying to be a board game with a winner and a loser and when 50% of your participants have to lose, 50% of the people dont have fun.

>>96176703
He dies his hair pretty regularly and it always looks retarded because he is so unkempt and gross. It’s how he thinks he’s showing solidarity with troons or something

>>96176273 (OP)
You play those old editions with your friends. You have friends, right?

>>96176995
Yeah but I still like making new friends and meeting people with similar interest in the hobby at cons and lgs

>>96176483
A question about Necromunda...
Games like Underworlds or Kill Team tend to add more and more warbands/teams and at the same time phase out some of them that might return on the future or might not. Is this a thing in Necromunda as well?

>>96176526
Best way I’ve heard it put. These sorts of people would probably have been delighted to learn that chess is a thing if they had fathers growing up

>>96177032
So you go to the lgs or con and set up a narrative game using an old 40k edition to find more like-minded people who can become new friends with similar interests. Of course, this will require a modicum of effort, so you will probably dismiss it as a possibility.

>>96177197
I get that, and I’m not dismissing it at all - the time and effort of crafting is the lions share of the hobby to me. What I’m grieving is the lack of support for that style of play from the very company that makes the game and the apathetic and antagonistic attitude towards soulful efforts from tournament fags

>>96177197
And realistically, nobody will bite. Because it's more fun to talk about playing a narrative game than actually play one.

>>96177039
No

>>96176329
POST MORE DOG. HE IS CUTE. PET HIM. MAKE HIM HAPPY.

>>96177197
>>96177219
>>96177420
I prefer to keep all my shit at home and play there exclusively, safe and far away from the nasty cocksuckers infesting lgs like the mutant in op

>>96176374
>encouraged players to just use a reasonable amount of models
God I forgot about that. And then the playerbase tried to salvage some sense of balance by using wounds instead of points, so you'd have like a 35W army, and it didn't work at all

>>96176447
>While playing tournaments you get to travel to other cities, play with new people against armies and lists that are less common in your area
I get your point but to me these sound like bad things. Especially the playing against strangers. There's far less opportunity for social contracts and gentlemen's agreements among strangers in other cities at "tournaments" (which are supposed to be competitive by definition; I have no idea why every event needs to be a tournament these days). I'd much prefer to play against the same few local guys who I know and trust to be good sports in both their listbuilding and game playing, and we're continually iterating on our armies to try and counter each others' latest tactics. If we want to play a new army then one of the regulars could start one, since everyone knows nobody has just 1 warhammer army.

>>96177039
No, most of the core gangs in fact continue to just keep getting new stuff.

>>96176995
Yes and I'd never admit to them I play tabletop games, because they're not incels

>96176273
>lust-provoking image
>irrelevant, time-wasting question
all fields

>>96177981
Sure thing fag. Meanwhile back in reality, braindead consoomer fatasses like in op who don’t craft, don’t paint, and don’t care about the enjoyment of aesthetic immersive tabletop gaming are probably the single biggest, solvable issue plaguing warhammer rn. GW needs to stop pandering to them and focus more on selling hobby supplies, publishing magazines and video content about crafting, etc., and disgusting shitmos with gay died hair need to fuck off

>>96178283
Yeah, we need to be buying more citadel branded super glue and water pots and mold line scrapers and clippers and sanding sticks and contra-ink-auto-finisher and sororitas bush tufts and guilliman's golfcourse static grass and the imperiatus section eighticus plastic ruins.

>>96178690
Yes you moron. When I run out of flock and am trying to build something new I need to buy more flock.

>>96178832
I don't know if I can trust anyone that buys hobby products at citadel prices with anything sharper than safety scissors, but go off king.

>>96176273 (OP)
How do people get like that?

>>96176273 (OP)
You should make up a situation and play that. It doesn't need to be balanced, it should just be fun. Put a big knight on the table and have one player racing to reactivate it and the other trying to stop him or something. Me and the boys enjoy a good last stand type scenario.

>>96176306
This. No one makes you play meta list competitive objective games. Quite literally GW wrote the crusade rules to encourage narrative gameplay. Just round up your friends and do it.

>network with likeminded people
>organise games rather than rely on pick up games
>organise as a club
>play campaigns
>play older editions (if they are avoidant for stupid reasons short circuit that with an alt ruleset like Renegade Scout)
It's not that hard tbqh

>>96176642
>You need to have crazy stuff happen on the board
Blood bowl does this but it just results in people not taking those units to minimize the variance. You have to enforce it across everyone playing by doing specific leagues for it where everyone is forced to do it

>>96176796
This started to really be an issue when it stopped being about your dudes and spamming named characters everywhere. 2nd edition had a handful of named characters for each army and they were too high priced to really be in every game so you got to build your own stories. Now every army is built around captain gayus fuckus and his cohort of prebuilt named characters. Who cares if they die? Where's the reason to just play games to advance your own stories instead of ditching them for the next stupidly overpowered shit that James decides to fire out his ass

>>96176273 (OP)
You're going to hate this, but co op skirmish game involving a gm using an ai deck akin to gloomhaven or kingdom death

>>96176768
>>>/v/
fuck off nogames fag

>>96177361
B8

>>96176273 (OP)
play 4th or 5th edition. Tons of narrative gaming aids in those editions.

>>96180912
>5th
Don't know why you keep recommending the edition that planted the seed for tables that look like the OP pic

>>96180970
>Don't know why you keep recommending the edition that planted the seed for tables that look like the OP pic

>>96181190
apocalypse is the gayest thing to ever happen to 40k
so you are gay

>>96181210
>Having rules to facilitate large narrative battles is gay
You've convinced me.

>>96180728
Do you have any recs for games like that? That sounds pretty comf, especially if I can play together with more than two people.

Huh.
Looks like >>96176472 was right, narrative actually has nothing to do with actually playing 40k.

>>96181278
not that anon, but i hear great things about kingdom death though its basically impossible to actually play.

>>96180728
I don't hate it at all, I love co op skirmish games. Just the two you suggested are shit

>>96180629
But if you have to force people into doing it, than who is the event even for? If the players wanted to play that way, they would.

>>96176796
>The reality is, warhammer is meant to be a WARGAME where you play out scenarios and simulations, the enjoyment is the running of the simulation and seeing the outcome of it.

You can't simulate something that doesn't exist lol

>>96176472
>>96181286
>From an outside perspective, it looks like it's played as a series of one-shot battles
No shit anon... If you're just passing by any game of 40k is going to look like a skirmish with no context, but for some one actively invovle din a campaign, that same game coudl be just one chapter in a much larger narrative, that one game could be part of an ogoing war with real stakes, consequences, and history behidn it.


>that are more dependent on army composition, positioning, and tactical decision making
An army's composition is like the cast of characters in a story, each unit has its own role, personality and purpose. The units in an army shape the story of each game, greatly deciding how a battle is going to be fought. All of this is left to the players to decide.

Older versions of 40k had a bit more randomness to it, where the outcome wasnt fully decided by player choice or player skill. This made outcomes unpredictable at times, it was less about win or lose and more about seeing the outcome of it as this anon points out.

>>96176796

>than on the grimdark slop story pumped out by GW or the fanfics written by the slop-chugging imbeciles.
the GW canon grimdark is the back drop or inspiration for narrative campaigns, the "fanfic" is either the details of the campaign your playing in or the opponent your playing against.

>>96181334
the US simulates going to war with countries that dont exist every fucking day, what the fuck are you on about?

>>96181190
3rd had Cityfight. 4th had Cities of Death. Neither of those editions had TLoS, which is cancer.

>>96181395
They aren't entirely made up countries, they look at the capabilites of contemporary nations and paste them onto a generic opfor.

>>96181242
>hurrdurr my giant vehicle that barely fits on the the board shot its one shot super death destroyer laser and I place 5 blast templates over your entire army
you are a fucking faggot and you should kill yourself

>>96181894
What the fuck were you doing trying to play apocalypse on a standard size table are you actually retarded? Of all the complaints you could make about it

>>96181907
the whole concept is for retarded people who spend to much money on giant retarded models
go play Epic you fucking retarded retard holy fuck

flyers/titans/all this actual trash made 40k complete dogshit and you faggots just eat that shit directly from james' asshole and beg for more, fuck outta here

>>96181928
>spend to much money on giant retarded models
Isn't that pretty well everyone? If you're not a 15mm or under chad I guess.

>>96181948
anyone that buys a $2k+ titan to play fucking 40k is an absolute clown retard

>>96181956
Exactly, you should play apocalypse at half scale or less so the minis are cheaper.

>>96176329
Don't force your dog to play tabletop wargames with you. It's bad for their posture.

>>96176273 (OP)
I'm building an all terminator army based off of the vanguard spearhead rules because it's as if they can teleport back onto their warships and re-port back down. (GUERRILLA TACTICS 1CP - take a unit back into reserves)

Lets me place all their silly teleport homers and keep them threatening the entire match.

Haven't built them up yet but I plan on DA rules with a custom chapter. Who I will have them hunting a geneseed related chapter that went renegade that I'll build up.

It's nice to own two forces that claim each other as absolute nemesis.
>I last played in 4th edition and I have no clue what the current meta is

>>96176273 (OP)
Why do you keep posting this guy? He's your boyfriend or something?

>>96181928
Braindead retard
How does somebody with such dogshit reading comprehension even understand rules?

>>96176273 (OP)
Kicking out faggots like the dude in your pic from the hobby

>>96176374
>Then, insert stuff competitive players will hate. Random terrain tables, NPC monsters/aliens attacking passers-by, random event tables for stuff like rain and solar flares,
All of these are great ideas and exactly how you should go about filtering tourney and WAAC-fags
>units/characters being able to level up, etc.
Bit iffy on this

>>96176273 (OP)
The White Dwarf need to return to being a lore and art focused magazine instead of a souless merchandise catalogue. I used to spend hours reading the White Dwarf magazine and poring over the stories and dioramas.

>>96176273 (OP)
So does anyone know who's the dude in the picture? He must've done a real number on this mindbroken retard because he's been posting this picture multiple times a day in different threads for a good couple days now

>>96182699
When we were young a friend played catachans and built all the dangerous plants the codex statted out and was always trying to convince us to play with them on the table.

>>96182713
Yes, I stopped when they just outright killed it and split it into that "new product catalogue" and Warhammer visions, immense fuck up on their part.
What point is an expensive, trashy product catalogue that just tells you to buy stuff? It doesn't include any of the fun stuff it used to include, since the greasy execs at GW and their sleazy marketing team hates anything that doesn't outright tell people to buy GW products, they fucking hate creativity.
I know they went back to the older white dwarf format after a while but they still don't provide anything close to the quality that used to be the baseline.

>>96182744
It's fun to mock danger hair fatass spergs playing on tables with unpainted L-shaped mdf terrain and those hideous "objective zones".
It really conveys the current state of GW games/40k in a single picture.

>>96182765
That did not answer my question you schizoid sperg

>>96176329
Anon posts a board that would have been laughed out as a tourney fag board in 7th ed

Lol

Lmao even

>>96182744
Of course you know him he’s you

>>96176273 (OP)
>how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game like the old days and stop focusing on the tourneyfag shit that's butchered the game?

By reading the actual campaign books and playing narrative games?

>>96176273 (OP)
>purple hair
libtard detected, thread filtered

funfact. 40k in the golden days of 3rd edit wasn't a "narrative" game. no-one played narrative except once in a blue moon in a dedicated group of friends.
the reason was you didn't need to do "narrative" games. 40k was generally played as a 1500 point pickup game played under the normal competitive rules of the day.
They were your dudes and you were proud of the conversions and lore that you wrote for them.
The difference is that back in those days you didn't have 20 years of power creep that began when Andy Chambers gave Terminators a 5+ invulnerable save (instead of dropping points or +1T and maybe 6+ invuln, or pointing out that assault terminators had a storm shield option so use them instead or take a land raider and transport or deep strike them in a safe location) and the Death Company a Feel No Pain.
Units were fragile. Units weren't getting re-rolls and auras and strategems and you didn't have fancy special characters except by agreement (and you didn't take those units in your all comers list anyway).
Why does the basic primaris version of a tactical marine need two wounds? Why does the game need a strategem to give a unit a 6+ invuln or +1 save? Why does the game need overwatch and counter-charging? Why give everyone fleet of foot and then more strategems that let you ignore the drawback of doing a fleet move?

>>96182787
Ops pics is essentially has the impact of a renaissance painting.

>the distant, despondent look in his eye, the way the backwards hat gently slopes off his huge malformed head with tufts of dyed purple hair protruding which - coupled with the faded full color tattoo on his bloated forearm - silently scream ‘please notice me somebody, I’m fun like a kid. Please.’ The fraying, frizzled beard strains to conceal the full extent of his enormous chubby cheeks, now sagging with age and the turgid watermelon of a gut betrays a life of painful excess, consuming for the sake of consumption itself.
>The table reflects the completely nothingness of the man’s soul - barren, flat neoprene with unpainted, laser cut mdf set atop clear plastic footprint boundary markers, and equally flat neoprene circles fading into the table meant to convey areas of significance but unable to fully distinguish themselves from the raw blandness of the rest of the table. The game laid out before the poor soul is no game at all, it is an exercise of purchases made and displayed, a mimicking of tabletop wargaming. In word, it is a pose. Only in this case, the poser is unaware that he is in a facsimile of life, and believes himself the genuine article. Hence his pained, hollow expression - desperate to convey a realness that simply is not there.

>>96182875
here's my narrative list bro - wait, where are you going? I have 3 sentences of homebrew!

>>96176973
It's somewhat ironic to complain about tranies people in this thread, when OP wants to play with trannies...since they are the ones who will be running the games they want

bring back green flock bases & tables.
>>96182917
>knights
you wouldn't be let into proper 40k to begin with

>>96182080
OP said that this guy sexually assaulted him. Not like full blown rape, but he licked his fingers and reached in his pants. Not surprising he omits that part now, everyone laughed at him.

>>96182936
So it was more 'friends with benefits' -type of relationship?

>>96182926
>proper 40k
No such thing

>>96182918
that’s not even a little bit ironic. There’s a 19yo at my lgs that I regularly fuck in the ass and he’s way too autistic to play even a minute of a narrative campaign. He fucking paint some minis though, that’s for goddamn sure

>>96182936
ohhh so that's what this is about lmao

>>96182936
>>96182943
>>96182964
Uh oh, I think the guy in OP’s pic is here and is a little upset…..

>>96182765
based

>>96182949
You get to get right bend for autistic fuckers, they love narrative shit if you dress it right.

>>96176273 (OP)
>Unironically, how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game like the old days and stop focusing on the tourneyfag shit that's butchered the game?
Play a fun narrative game with your friends.
Stop playing with randoms and stop worrying about how other people play.

>>96176374
>Then, insert stuff competitive players will hate. Random terrain tables, NPC monsters/aliens attacking passers-by, random event tables for stuff like rain and solar flares, units/characters being able to level up, etc. It will be unbalanced but as with games like Necromunda it would be up to individual leagues to enforce decorum for their campaigns.
There's an even easier method - play asymetrical missions. They're more fun and competitive players HATE that.

The fog of war missions in Epic 40K (not armageddon, the edition before that) were fantastic.

>>96176273 (OP)
What is your obsession with spamming this image lmao

>>96176273 (OP)

I absolutely despise when tournie players have their stupid little t shirts like they are some kind of athlete.

>>96183550
I'll take it over them going topless.

>>96176768
Where i live (not that anon by the way) you see grass and stuff but like 6 inches down the earth is mostly reddish brown clay. No reason why that couldn't be the case for a newly dug up trench.

>>96176768
>>96183599
Same here, except it's sand 20cm below ground. It looks like healthy fertile dirt on the top, but the layer's pretty thin.

>>96183550
>sector cville
>some kind of grated knight helmet with a wreath
Ooof

>>96176472
>tactical decision making
Kek this is hilarious and non-existent in current 40K. Dropping a murder block of Deathshrouds for a 6” charge doesn’t make you Clausewitz. It’s the luck of having overpowered rules written for your army. I main death guard and it makes me not want to play with my army in the current state.

>>96183913
Exactly. These pathetic faggots want a literal solved, equal game. What they are trying to play is actually just another game that already exists called chess. But because they’re afraid of people with actual intellectual rigor they avoid it. Thus they have to do everything in their power to reduce beautiful, soulful, immersive hobby games into barren wastlelands of completely stark, flat, boring garbage.

>>96182972
Not as butt-bothered than OP it seems

>>96184135
hi Ben :)

>>96184262
Hi OP. Please report your felt injustice to the relevant authorities instead of traumadumping on a mongolian carpetweaving forum.

>>96182039
>its easier to convince your existing play group to source, build, paint, learn, make terrain, and play an ancient niche game than it is to just include a titanic unit in your already exsting 40k collections.
Fucking big brain

>>96176273 (OP)
How do we fix pizza? I know tons of people eat and enjoy it, and more people than ever before are eating pizza because they started putting pepperonis on it, but they're all clearly retards. Nothing is meant to be put on top of pizza- just cheese and marinara sauce. So how do we fix pizza and get people to eat it the RIGHT WAY?

>>96184532
How do we fix cars? Tons of people drive cars, but now the roads are full of badly driving shitboxes and soulful musclecars are a minority.

>>96183896
What is it?

>>96176329

Have children friends.

>>96184532
paging greasy pepperoni fartfag to the thread

>>96181827
>Editions that reward modeling for advantage are good
I'll take abstract LoS rules thanks.

>>96184532

>>96184965
>THEY'RE PLAYING WITH MY PLACTIC ARMY MEN DIFFERENT FROM HOW I LIKE SOCIETY HAS LITERALLY FALLEN

>>96185131
>actually there’s nothing wrong with being unable to escape soulless games and tables with unfinished L shaped ruins, stop noticing things chud.

>>96185131
If you don't possess the capability for abstract thought then that's not something I can help you with.

>>96185282
Go be the change you want. You won't because what you want combines the failure points of both organized tournament play and RPG campaigns.

>>96184367
>>96184532
>>96184574
Wildly false equivalences and deliberately obtuse reductivism seems to be all you fatherless cunts can ever muster whenever anyone asserts that people who habitually shit in the public pool shouldn’t be allowed in the public pool. It’s like you realize you’ve lost, but you feel the need to keep arguing because you take it personal for reason (you’re probably a pool shitter yourself)
Disgusting fat fags like the homeboy in op essentially shit up the entire scene; no one with any dignity or self awareness wants to be anywhere near them, so by simply entering into flgs and plopping down their boring toys everywhere they drive away good decent people who would otherwise like to enjoy a communal gaming area to meet up with friends for whom home games aren’t an option or are inconvenient for whatever reason, and to meet new people and who gradually become new friends. When nasty shit smeared people are allowed into a civil or even neutral space, good and neutral people leave.

>>96185282
The only stopping you from escaping anything is you anon.

>>96185734
>whenever anyone asserts that people who habitually shit in the public pool shouldn’t be allowed in the public pool.

Anon calling something shit and then saying shit bad is not an argument.

>>96185714
I literally do it and make sour milk fatties like you seethe all day at lgs when normies chat me up while their kids actively avoid even looking your direction. Feels good man

>>96185743
Shit is bad moron

>>96185759
Well your argument is shit anon

>>96185767
It’s 100%
You’re literally doing exactly what I said you stinky fats do when cornered with reality

>>96176329
Hell yeah dude. Gaming at home with friends and the nephews.

>>96182857
You are not wrong. Leafblower + Razorwolves was brutal from 5th and onward. 40k has always needed heavier terrain.

>>96182910
spot on. I started in the middle of 3rd.

>>96183220
This should have been the end of the thread

>>96185774
And you're doing exactly what I said. You're nothing but pejoratives

>>96185735
>"how does this affect you personally" but rephrased as an inspirational quote

Sounds like a lot of angry crybabies in this thread are sad other people don't let them win when they play. If you don't enjoy the game part of the game just use them as action figures at home alone and you wont have to worry about it.

>>96185884
Just you lardass

Needs to be a completely different game, if current gw were to make it, it would have to be a rule set between kill team and 40k. Tout it as "40k for beginners" but make it the actual good game like kill team kinda is now.

>>96184894
I don't know how calling TLoS "cancer" was unclear but nothing surprises me anymore with you retarded fucks that post here

>>96185853
Anon he's comparing that he's unable to escape like as if he's being forced into this situation which is objectively false.

>>96185759
Um excuse me do you have peer reviewed studies conclusively proving that shit is bad, chud?

>>96186176
Again, if you're not capable of the level of abstract thought this discussion requires then I can't do anything for you.

>>96185734
>Disgusting fat fags like the homeboy in op
Idk anon, you can post a pic and a timestamp to disprove me but you sound like you're one of those autistic fat sweaty fags

>>96186221
Chalking it up as a comprehension issue on the part of the other anon is exactly the sort of faggotry I'd expect from you delusional sperg fucks. It's so easy to do the barest minimum of talking to people to see who feels similarly then scheduling a game. Instead you lazy queefing cunts would rather continue to put in zero effort, continue to rely on pick up games on store terrain, pretend everything is hopeless, and ceaselessly moan about it. I'd tell you to enjoy the punishment you've created for yourself but I bet you repulsive perverts actually do.

Lots of lazy fat fucks itt defending the observable shitiness of playing 3D game in what is essentially 2D. Guess MtG is too hard for some people and they need games with zero variables and full knowledge of their opponents’ assets being equal to their own

>>96185734
>When nasty shit smeared people are allowed into a civil or even neutral space, good and neutral people leave.
This happened to the warmachine scene at my lgs.
The sweats quickly drove out the casuals and they weren’t exactly specimens of human beauty they were like op. Then they only had themselves to play against and soon their armies appears in the used army sections. Not sure if they went back to warhammer. Never saw them playing warhammer.

>>96176273 (OP)
Copy Warcry.
Have cards for mission, deployment and twist.
Not all are symmetrical or "fair" for every army. But each mission has a story to it.
Makes it simple for pick up and play

If you play with mates it's easy as, just make a story