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Anonymous No.96176273 >>96176306 >>96176374 >>96176416 >>96176472 >>96176483 >>96176555 >>96176562 >>96176703 >>96176796 >>96176995 >>96179091 >>96179671 >>96180728 >>96180912 >>96182076 >>96182080 >>96182679 >>96182713 >>96182744 >>96182875 >>96182894 >>96183220 >>96183239 >>96183550 >>96184532 >>96186948 >>96189033 >>96189376 >>96189951 >>96189988 >>96191225 >>96196123 >>96197359 >>96201808 >>96202445 >>96204907 >>96205711 >>96206482 >>96212072 >>96214092 >>96215571 >>96215822 >>96219991 >>96220259 >>96221079 >>96228776
Unironically, how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game like the old days and stop focusing on the tourneyfag shit that's butchered the game?
Anonymous No.96176306 >>96179693
>>96176273 (OP)
Just do that, nothing is stopping you from playing that way.
Anonymous No.96176308 >>96187254 >>96200214
>Inb4 some post 8e. fags tell you it was always tourney/compfag shit
Anonymous No.96176329 >>96176335 >>96176409 >>96176561 >>96176768 >>96177475 >>96182069 >>96182857 >>96184813 >>96185779 >>96201859
Have friends or children.
Anonymous No.96176335 >>96176400 >>96176608
>>96176329
SOVL
Anonymous No.96176347
Go to the battle bible thread and realize 40k died a long time ago
Anonymous No.96176374 >>96176447 >>96176479 >>96176526 >>96176642 >>96177487 >>96182699 >>96183224 >>96189077
>>96176273 (OP)

First, it probably has to be a separate game. 40K/MtG/DnD are the containment games to keep all the worst people out of other games. You could tout it as being like 40K for adults.

Then, insert stuff competitive players will hate. Random terrain tables, NPC monsters/aliens attacking passers-by, random event tables for stuff like rain and solar flares, units/characters being able to level up, etc. It will be unbalanced but as with games like Necromunda it would be up to individual leagues to enforce decorum for their campaigns.

I don't think it will happen though. When AoS first dropped it tried to be a beer and pretzels game. It had rules like "shout a war cry to re-roll your hero's misses" and encouraged players to just use a reasonable amount of models and then give the losing side some reinforcements. And then you had all the interesting 40K variants like boarding actions that the fans just totally ignored. So in GW's eyes they get punished by the playerbase when they try to have fun and expect gamers to act like reasonable people.
Anonymous No.96176400 >>96176608
>>96176335
Anonymous No.96176409 >>96176637
>>96176329
I have those same trenchs what do you think of them?
Anonymous No.96176416
>>96176273 (OP)
Post your last game of 40k so we can mock you for not having:
>painted models
>actual terrain (painted)
>a custom scenario
Anonymous No.96176447 >>96176491 >>96177487
>>96176374
Damn, that's so true. Everything is streamlined for tournaments and everything that's not is mocked or at best ignored. I kinda get why, I was playing Warmahordes at a super competitive community. While playing tournaments you get to travel to other cities, play with new people against armies and lists that are less common in your area, etc.
Anonymous No.96176472 >>96181280 >>96181382 >>96183913
>>96176273 (OP)
What is it about 40k that facilitates narrative, and how does that narrative impact gameplay?
From an outside perspective, it looks like it's played as a series of one-shot battles that are more dependent on army composition, positioning, and tactical decision making than on the grimdark slop story pumped out by GW or the fanfics written by the slop-chugging imbeciles.
Anonymous No.96176479
>>96176374
There's the idea of the narrative campaign. The problem is that nobody actually plays like that, as much as they whinge about how awesome it is. Largely because it involves a lot of time and effort that's not appreciated, and trying to wrangle players into it is way harder than "we all show up at X and play a 3-round Swiss Bracket", and anyone that's TO'd can tell you that's a pain in the ass already.
Anonymous No.96176483 >>96177039
>>96176273 (OP)
Just play necromunda, has the rules for that already and a better design team.
Anonymous No.96176484
Narrative gameplay for a game that can be as expensive as 40k sounds like a massive pain in the ass to facilitate
Anonymous No.96176491
>>96176447
There's a good reason the most successful systems are ones that facilitate pickup play and have points and listbuilding.
Anonymous No.96176526 >>96177176
>>96176374
big smash bros players turning off items and playing on battlefield vibes
Anonymous No.96176555
>>96176273 (OP)
>Find a friend who likes 40k fluff
>Agree to play a fluffy game
>Have fun
It can't be that difficult, can it?
Anonymous No.96176561 >>96176637
>>96176329
>Gets shot off the board in my opponent's first shooting phase
Anonymous No.96176562
>>96176273 (OP)
Rebrand quick-setting polyurethane foam spray as Citadel Instant Terrain(tm)
Modify it to have thematic color tints with names like Nurgle's Garden, Vraks Battleground, Skalathrax Gorefield etc
Have it packaged with a small baggie of sprue clippings and the occasional actual bits (skulls, etc) that you have the players sprinkle over the foam while it sets
Market it with cheaply made plastic tools like a crater stamp or citadel branded drywall scraper for cleanup

You can have this one for free, you're welcome Gdubs
Anonymous No.96176608
>>96176335
>>96176400
Thanks. Need to paint more but it's been fun using my FDM printer and some foam/cardboard.
Anonymous No.96176637
>>96176409
I don't use the quick connect tab thingies but I like them well enough. Appreciate that it's free.99 for the files and let's me add some flavor to my board.

>>96176561
I actually played 1,000 pts of my necrons based in the town and my buddy deployed his 1,500pts of Tau where ever as long as they were >36" away. Goal was to take the Necrons out and secure the town before turn 3, or I'd get to deepstrike another 500 pts anywhere on the board. I totally understand this doesnt translate to like a competitive tournament vibe but it was awesome. We're playing pretend with lil toy soldiers and it's way more fun imo then cookie cutter lanes and l-corners.
Anonymous No.96176642 >>96180629
>>96176374
tbf that's entirely the wrong way to do beer and pretzels. You still want to know how much a unit costs. And the gimmicky "reroll if you have a beard" just wasn't fun. It's not fun to do that. You need to have crazy stuff happen on the board, misfire charts, stupidity rolls, bizarre spells. You need actual potential for wacky shit and not just "if you are over thirty your tomb kings get an extra inch on their charges"
Anonymous No.96176703 >>96176973
>>96176273 (OP)
Does that fatass have purple tips at the end of his hair or is it the lighting?
Anonymous No.96176768 >>96180896 >>96183599 >>96183675
>>96176329
This is so boring. Lackluster painting on your stuff doesn't mean it's some how soulful where are we, /v/? Who would build a line of trenches facing rocky outcrops and why would the soil somehow be so dissimilar to nearby ground?
Anonymous No.96176796 >>96180715 >>96181334 >>96181382
>>96176273 (OP)
>how do you make it fun
You cant with the current community becuase the current community does not understand what a wargame is.

Modern 40k is viewed as a board game where the objective is winning or losing.
The reality is, warhammer is meant to be a WARGAME where you play out scenarios and simulations, the enjoyment is the running of the simulation and seeing the outcome of it. When your community is approching it that way, you can then start making a metric fuck ton of simulation ideas to run and see how they play and have fun with it.

Modern 40k cant be fun because its trying to be a board game with a winner and a loser and when 50% of your participants have to lose, 50% of the people dont have fun.
Anonymous No.96176973 >>96182918
>>96176703
He dies his hair pretty regularly and it always looks retarded because he is so unkempt and gross. It’s how he thinks he’s showing solidarity with troons or something
Anonymous No.96176995 >>96177032 >>96177801 >>96228142
>>96176273 (OP)
You play those old editions with your friends. You have friends, right?
Anonymous No.96177032 >>96177197
>>96176995
Yeah but I still like making new friends and meeting people with similar interest in the hobby at cons and lgs
Anonymous No.96177039 >>96177420 >>96177516
>>96176483
A question about Necromunda...
Games like Underworlds or Kill Team tend to add more and more warbands/teams and at the same time phase out some of them that might return on the future or might not. Is this a thing in Necromunda as well?
Anonymous No.96177176
>>96176526
Best way I’ve heard it put. These sorts of people would probably have been delighted to learn that chess is a thing if they had fathers growing up
Anonymous No.96177197 >>96177219 >>96177361 >>96177484
>>96177032
So you go to the lgs or con and set up a narrative game using an old 40k edition to find more like-minded people who can become new friends with similar interests. Of course, this will require a modicum of effort, so you will probably dismiss it as a possibility.
Anonymous No.96177219 >>96177484
>>96177197
I get that, and I’m not dismissing it at all - the time and effort of crafting is the lions share of the hobby to me. What I’m grieving is the lack of support for that style of play from the very company that makes the game and the apathetic and antagonistic attitude towards soulful efforts from tournament fags
Anonymous No.96177361 >>96180905
>>96177197
And realistically, nobody will bite. Because it's more fun to talk about playing a narrative game than actually play one.
Anonymous No.96177420 >>96177484
>>96177039
No
Anonymous No.96177475
>>96176329
POST MORE DOG. HE IS CUTE. PET HIM. MAKE HIM HAPPY.
Anonymous No.96177484
>>96177197
>>96177219
>>96177420
I prefer to keep all my shit at home and play there exclusively, safe and far away from the nasty cocksuckers infesting lgs like the mutant in op
Anonymous No.96177487
>>96176374
>encouraged players to just use a reasonable amount of models
God I forgot about that. And then the playerbase tried to salvage some sense of balance by using wounds instead of points, so you'd have like a 35W army, and it didn't work at all

>>96176447
>While playing tournaments you get to travel to other cities, play with new people against armies and lists that are less common in your area
I get your point but to me these sound like bad things. Especially the playing against strangers. There's far less opportunity for social contracts and gentlemen's agreements among strangers in other cities at "tournaments" (which are supposed to be competitive by definition; I have no idea why every event needs to be a tournament these days). I'd much prefer to play against the same few local guys who I know and trust to be good sports in both their listbuilding and game playing, and we're continually iterating on our armies to try and counter each others' latest tactics. If we want to play a new army then one of the regulars could start one, since everyone knows nobody has just 1 warhammer army.
Anonymous No.96177516
>>96177039
No, most of the core gangs in fact continue to just keep getting new stuff.
Anonymous No.96177801
>>96176995
Yes and I'd never admit to them I play tabletop games, because they're not incels
sage No.96177981 >>96178283
>96176273
>lust-provoking image
>irrelevant, time-wasting question
all fields
Anonymous No.96178283 >>96178690
>>96177981
Sure thing fag. Meanwhile back in reality, braindead consoomer fatasses like in op who don’t craft, don’t paint, and don’t care about the enjoyment of aesthetic immersive tabletop gaming are probably the single biggest, solvable issue plaguing warhammer rn. GW needs to stop pandering to them and focus more on selling hobby supplies, publishing magazines and video content about crafting, etc., and disgusting shitmos with gay died hair need to fuck off
Anonymous No.96178690 >>96178832
>>96178283
Yeah, we need to be buying more citadel branded super glue and water pots and mold line scrapers and clippers and sanding sticks and contra-ink-auto-finisher and sororitas bush tufts and guilliman's golfcourse static grass and the imperiatus section eighticus plastic ruins.
Anonymous No.96178832 >>96178889
>>96178690
Yes you moron. When I run out of flock and am trying to build something new I need to buy more flock.
Anonymous No.96178889
>>96178832
I don't know if I can trust anyone that buys hobby products at citadel prices with anything sharper than safety scissors, but go off king.
Anonymous No.96179091
>>96176273 (OP)
How do people get like that?
Anonymous No.96179671 >>96195889
>>96176273 (OP)
You should make up a situation and play that. It doesn't need to be balanced, it should just be fun. Put a big knight on the table and have one player racing to reactivate it and the other trying to stop him or something. Me and the boys enjoy a good last stand type scenario.
Anonymous No.96179693
>>96176306
This. No one makes you play meta list competitive objective games. Quite literally GW wrote the crusade rules to encourage narrative gameplay. Just round up your friends and do it.
Anonymous No.96180587
>network with likeminded people
>organise games rather than rely on pick up games
>organise as a club
>play campaigns
>play older editions (if they are avoidant for stupid reasons short circuit that with an alt ruleset like Renegade Scout)
It's not that hard tbqh
Anonymous No.96180629 >>96181327
>>96176642
>You need to have crazy stuff happen on the board
Blood bowl does this but it just results in people not taking those units to minimize the variance. You have to enforce it across everyone playing by doing specific leagues for it where everyone is forced to do it
Anonymous No.96180715
>>96176796
This started to really be an issue when it stopped being about your dudes and spamming named characters everywhere. 2nd edition had a handful of named characters for each army and they were too high priced to really be in every game so you got to build your own stories. Now every army is built around captain gayus fuckus and his cohort of prebuilt named characters. Who cares if they die? Where's the reason to just play games to advance your own stories instead of ditching them for the next stupidly overpowered shit that James decides to fire out his ass
Anonymous No.96180728 >>96181278 >>96181316
>>96176273 (OP)
You're going to hate this, but co op skirmish game involving a gm using an ai deck akin to gloomhaven or kingdom death
Anonymous No.96180896
>>96176768
>>>/v/
fuck off nogames fag
Anonymous No.96180905
>>96177361
B8
Anonymous No.96180912 >>96180970
>>96176273 (OP)
play 4th or 5th edition. Tons of narrative gaming aids in those editions.
Anonymous No.96180970 >>96181190
>>96180912
>5th
Don't know why you keep recommending the edition that planted the seed for tables that look like the OP pic
Anonymous No.96181190 >>96181210 >>96181827
>>96180970
>Don't know why you keep recommending the edition that planted the seed for tables that look like the OP pic
Anonymous No.96181210 >>96181242
>>96181190
apocalypse is the gayest thing to ever happen to 40k
so you are gay
Anonymous No.96181242 >>96181894
>>96181210
>Having rules to facilitate large narrative battles is gay
You've convinced me.
Anonymous No.96181278 >>96181286
>>96180728
Do you have any recs for games like that? That sounds pretty comf, especially if I can play together with more than two people.
Anonymous No.96181280
Huh.
Looks like >>96176472 was right, narrative actually has nothing to do with actually playing 40k.
Anonymous No.96181286 >>96181382
>>96181278
not that anon, but i hear great things about kingdom death though its basically impossible to actually play.
Anonymous No.96181316
>>96180728
I don't hate it at all, I love co op skirmish games. Just the two you suggested are shit
Anonymous No.96181327
>>96180629
But if you have to force people into doing it, than who is the event even for? If the players wanted to play that way, they would.
Anonymous No.96181334 >>96181395
>>96176796
>The reality is, warhammer is meant to be a WARGAME where you play out scenarios and simulations, the enjoyment is the running of the simulation and seeing the outcome of it.

You can't simulate something that doesn't exist lol
Anonymous No.96181382
>>96176472
>>96181286
>From an outside perspective, it looks like it's played as a series of one-shot battles
No shit anon... If you're just passing by any game of 40k is going to look like a skirmish with no context, but for some one actively invovle din a campaign, that same game coudl be just one chapter in a much larger narrative, that one game could be part of an ogoing war with real stakes, consequences, and history behidn it.


>that are more dependent on army composition, positioning, and tactical decision making
An army's composition is like the cast of characters in a story, each unit has its own role, personality and purpose. The units in an army shape the story of each game, greatly deciding how a battle is going to be fought. All of this is left to the players to decide.

Older versions of 40k had a bit more randomness to it, where the outcome wasnt fully decided by player choice or player skill. This made outcomes unpredictable at times, it was less about win or lose and more about seeing the outcome of it as this anon points out.

>>96176796

>than on the grimdark slop story pumped out by GW or the fanfics written by the slop-chugging imbeciles.
the GW canon grimdark is the back drop or inspiration for narrative campaigns, the "fanfic" is either the details of the campaign your playing in or the opponent your playing against.
Anonymous No.96181395 >>96181889
>>96181334
the US simulates going to war with countries that dont exist every fucking day, what the fuck are you on about?
Anonymous No.96181827 >>96184894 >>96191596
>>96181190
3rd had Cityfight. 4th had Cities of Death. Neither of those editions had TLoS, which is cancer.
Anonymous No.96181889 >>96208608
>>96181395
They aren't entirely made up countries, they look at the capabilites of contemporary nations and paste them onto a generic opfor.
Anonymous No.96181894 >>96181907
>>96181242
>hurrdurr my giant vehicle that barely fits on the the board shot its one shot super death destroyer laser and I place 5 blast templates over your entire army
you are a fucking faggot and you should kill yourself
Anonymous No.96181907 >>96181928
>>96181894
What the fuck were you doing trying to play apocalypse on a standard size table are you actually retarded? Of all the complaints you could make about it
Anonymous No.96181928 >>96181948 >>96182637
>>96181907
the whole concept is for retarded people who spend to much money on giant retarded models
go play Epic you fucking retarded retard holy fuck

flyers/titans/all this actual trash made 40k complete dogshit and you faggots just eat that shit directly from james' asshole and beg for more, fuck outta here
Anonymous No.96181948 >>96181956
>>96181928
>spend to much money on giant retarded models
Isn't that pretty well everyone? If you're not a 15mm or under chad I guess.
Anonymous No.96181956 >>96182039
>>96181948
anyone that buys a $2k+ titan to play fucking 40k is an absolute clown retard
Anonymous No.96182039 >>96184371
>>96181956
Exactly, you should play apocalypse at half scale or less so the minis are cheaper.
Anonymous No.96182069
>>96176329
Don't force your dog to play tabletop wargames with you. It's bad for their posture.
Anonymous No.96182076
>>96176273 (OP)
I'm building an all terminator army based off of the vanguard spearhead rules because it's as if they can teleport back onto their warships and re-port back down. (GUERRILLA TACTICS 1CP - take a unit back into reserves)

Lets me place all their silly teleport homers and keep them threatening the entire match.

Haven't built them up yet but I plan on DA rules with a custom chapter. Who I will have them hunting a geneseed related chapter that went renegade that I'll build up.

It's nice to own two forces that claim each other as absolute nemesis.
>I last played in 4th edition and I have no clue what the current meta is
Anonymous No.96182080 >>96182936
>>96176273 (OP)
Why do you keep posting this guy? He's your boyfriend or something?
Anonymous No.96182637
>>96181928
Braindead retard
How does somebody with such dogshit reading comprehension even understand rules?
Anonymous No.96182679
>>96176273 (OP)
Kicking out faggots like the dude in your pic from the hobby
Anonymous No.96182699 >>96182747
>>96176374
>Then, insert stuff competitive players will hate. Random terrain tables, NPC monsters/aliens attacking passers-by, random event tables for stuff like rain and solar flares,
All of these are great ideas and exactly how you should go about filtering tourney and WAAC-fags
>units/characters being able to level up, etc.
Bit iffy on this
Anonymous No.96182713 >>96182748 >>96195559 >>96195946
>>96176273 (OP)
The White Dwarf need to return to being a lore and art focused magazine instead of a souless merchandise catalogue. I used to spend hours reading the White Dwarf magazine and poring over the stories and dioramas.
Anonymous No.96182744 >>96182765 >>96182861
>>96176273 (OP)
So does anyone know who's the dude in the picture? He must've done a real number on this mindbroken retard because he's been posting this picture multiple times a day in different threads for a good couple days now
Anonymous No.96182747
>>96182699
When we were young a friend played catachans and built all the dangerous plants the codex statted out and was always trying to convince us to play with them on the table.
Anonymous No.96182748 >>96195559
>>96182713
Yes, I stopped when they just outright killed it and split it into that "new product catalogue" and Warhammer visions, immense fuck up on their part.
What point is an expensive, trashy product catalogue that just tells you to buy stuff? It doesn't include any of the fun stuff it used to include, since the greasy execs at GW and their sleazy marketing team hates anything that doesn't outright tell people to buy GW products, they fucking hate creativity.
I know they went back to the older white dwarf format after a while but they still don't provide anything close to the quality that used to be the baseline.
Anonymous No.96182765 >>96182787 >>96183065
>>96182744
It's fun to mock danger hair fatass spergs playing on tables with unpainted L-shaped mdf terrain and those hideous "objective zones".
It really conveys the current state of GW games/40k in a single picture.
Anonymous No.96182787 >>96182911
>>96182765
That did not answer my question you schizoid sperg
Anonymous No.96182857 >>96185779
>>96176329
Anon posts a board that would have been laughed out as a tourney fag board in 7th ed

Lol

Lmao even
Anonymous No.96182861
>>96182744
Of course you know him he’s you
Anonymous No.96182875 >>96182917
>>96176273 (OP)
>how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game like the old days and stop focusing on the tourneyfag shit that's butchered the game?

By reading the actual campaign books and playing narrative games?
Anonymous No.96182894
>>96176273 (OP)
>purple hair
libtard detected, thread filtered
Anonymous No.96182910 >>96185779
funfact. 40k in the golden days of 3rd edit wasn't a "narrative" game. no-one played narrative except once in a blue moon in a dedicated group of friends.
the reason was you didn't need to do "narrative" games. 40k was generally played as a 1500 point pickup game played under the normal competitive rules of the day.
They were your dudes and you were proud of the conversions and lore that you wrote for them.
The difference is that back in those days you didn't have 20 years of power creep that began when Andy Chambers gave Terminators a 5+ invulnerable save (instead of dropping points or +1T and maybe 6+ invuln, or pointing out that assault terminators had a storm shield option so use them instead or take a land raider and transport or deep strike them in a safe location) and the Death Company a Feel No Pain.
Units were fragile. Units weren't getting re-rolls and auras and strategems and you didn't have fancy special characters except by agreement (and you didn't take those units in your all comers list anyway).
Why does the basic primaris version of a tactical marine need two wounds? Why does the game need a strategem to give a unit a 6+ invuln or +1 save? Why does the game need overwatch and counter-charging? Why give everyone fleet of foot and then more strategems that let you ignore the drawback of doing a fleet move?
Anonymous No.96182911
>>96182787
Ops pics is essentially has the impact of a renaissance painting.

>the distant, despondent look in his eye, the way the backwards hat gently slopes off his huge malformed head with tufts of dyed purple hair protruding which - coupled with the faded full color tattoo on his bloated forearm - silently scream ‘please notice me somebody, I’m fun like a kid. Please.’ The fraying, frizzled beard strains to conceal the full extent of his enormous chubby cheeks, now sagging with age and the turgid watermelon of a gut betrays a life of painful excess, consuming for the sake of consumption itself.
>The table reflects the completely nothingness of the man’s soul - barren, flat neoprene with unpainted, laser cut mdf set atop clear plastic footprint boundary markers, and equally flat neoprene circles fading into the table meant to convey areas of significance but unable to fully distinguish themselves from the raw blandness of the rest of the table. The game laid out before the poor soul is no game at all, it is an exercise of purchases made and displayed, a mimicking of tabletop wargaming. In word, it is a pose. Only in this case, the poser is unaware that he is in a facsimile of life, and believes himself the genuine article. Hence his pained, hollow expression - desperate to convey a realness that simply is not there.
Anonymous No.96182917 >>96182926
>>96182875
here's my narrative list bro - wait, where are you going? I have 3 sentences of homebrew!
Anonymous No.96182918 >>96182949
>>96176973
It's somewhat ironic to complain about tranies people in this thread, when OP wants to play with trannies...since they are the ones who will be running the games they want
Anonymous No.96182926 >>96182948
bring back green flock bases & tables.
>>96182917
>knights
you wouldn't be let into proper 40k to begin with
Anonymous No.96182936 >>96182943 >>96182964 >>96182972
>>96182080
OP said that this guy sexually assaulted him. Not like full blown rape, but he licked his fingers and reached in his pants. Not surprising he omits that part now, everyone laughed at him.
Anonymous No.96182943 >>96182972
>>96182936
So it was more 'friends with benefits' -type of relationship?
Anonymous No.96182948
>>96182926
>proper 40k
No such thing
Anonymous No.96182949 >>96183215
>>96182918
that’s not even a little bit ironic. There’s a 19yo at my lgs that I regularly fuck in the ass and he’s way too autistic to play even a minute of a narrative campaign. He fucking paint some minis though, that’s for goddamn sure
Anonymous No.96182964 >>96182972
>>96182936
ohhh so that's what this is about lmao
Anonymous No.96182972 >>96184135
>>96182936
>>96182943
>>96182964
Uh oh, I think the guy in OP’s pic is here and is a little upset…..
Anonymous No.96183065
>>96182765
based
Anonymous No.96183215
>>96182949
You get to get right bend for autistic fuckers, they love narrative shit if you dress it right.
Anonymous No.96183220 >>96185779
>>96176273 (OP)
>Unironically, how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game like the old days and stop focusing on the tourneyfag shit that's butchered the game?
Play a fun narrative game with your friends.
Stop playing with randoms and stop worrying about how other people play.
Anonymous No.96183224
>>96176374
>Then, insert stuff competitive players will hate. Random terrain tables, NPC monsters/aliens attacking passers-by, random event tables for stuff like rain and solar flares, units/characters being able to level up, etc. It will be unbalanced but as with games like Necromunda it would be up to individual leagues to enforce decorum for their campaigns.
There's an even easier method - play asymetrical missions. They're more fun and competitive players HATE that.

The fog of war missions in Epic 40K (not armageddon, the edition before that) were fantastic.
Anonymous No.96183239
>>96176273 (OP)
What is your obsession with spamming this image lmao
Anonymous No.96183550 >>96183586 >>96183896
>>96176273 (OP)

I absolutely despise when tournie players have their stupid little t shirts like they are some kind of athlete.
Anonymous No.96183586
>>96183550
I'll take it over them going topless.
Anonymous No.96183599 >>96183675
>>96176768
Where i live (not that anon by the way) you see grass and stuff but like 6 inches down the earth is mostly reddish brown clay. No reason why that couldn't be the case for a newly dug up trench.
Anonymous No.96183675
>>96176768
>>96183599
Same here, except it's sand 20cm below ground. It looks like healthy fertile dirt on the top, but the layer's pretty thin.
Anonymous No.96183896 >>96184672
>>96183550
>sector cville
>some kind of grated knight helmet with a wreath
Ooof
Anonymous No.96183913 >>96184092
>>96176472
>tactical decision making
Kek this is hilarious and non-existent in current 40K. Dropping a murder block of Deathshrouds for a 6” charge doesn’t make you Clausewitz. It’s the luck of having overpowered rules written for your army. I main death guard and it makes me not want to play with my army in the current state.
Anonymous No.96184092
>>96183913
Exactly. These pathetic faggots want a literal solved, equal game. What they are trying to play is actually just another game that already exists called chess. But because they’re afraid of people with actual intellectual rigor they avoid it. Thus they have to do everything in their power to reduce beautiful, soulful, immersive hobby games into barren wastlelands of completely stark, flat, boring garbage.
Anonymous No.96184135 >>96184262
>>96182972
Not as butt-bothered than OP it seems
Anonymous No.96184262 >>96184367
>>96184135
hi Ben :)
Anonymous No.96184367 >>96185734
>>96184262
Hi OP. Please report your felt injustice to the relevant authorities instead of traumadumping on a mongolian carpetweaving forum.
Anonymous No.96184371
>>96182039
>its easier to convince your existing play group to source, build, paint, learn, make terrain, and play an ancient niche game than it is to just include a titanic unit in your already exsting 40k collections.
Fucking big brain
Anonymous No.96184532 >>96184574 >>96184862 >>96184965 >>96185734
>>96176273 (OP)
How do we fix pizza? I know tons of people eat and enjoy it, and more people than ever before are eating pizza because they started putting pepperonis on it, but they're all clearly retards. Nothing is meant to be put on top of pizza- just cheese and marinara sauce. So how do we fix pizza and get people to eat it the RIGHT WAY?
Anonymous No.96184574 >>96185734
>>96184532
How do we fix cars? Tons of people drive cars, but now the roads are full of badly driving shitboxes and soulful musclecars are a minority.
Anonymous No.96184672
>>96183896
What is it?
Anonymous No.96184813
>>96176329

Have children friends.
Anonymous No.96184862
>>96184532
paging greasy pepperoni fartfag to the thread
Anonymous No.96184894 >>96186160
>>96181827
>Editions that reward modeling for advantage are good
I'll take abstract LoS rules thanks.
Anonymous No.96184965 >>96185131
>>96184532
Anonymous No.96185131 >>96185282 >>96185293 >>96195773
>>96184965
>THEY'RE PLAYING WITH MY PLACTIC ARMY MEN DIFFERENT FROM HOW I LIKE SOCIETY HAS LITERALLY FALLEN
Anonymous No.96185282 >>96185714 >>96185735
>>96185131
>actually there’s nothing wrong with being unable to escape soulless games and tables with unfinished L shaped ruins, stop noticing things chud.
Anonymous No.96185293
>>96185131
If you don't possess the capability for abstract thought then that's not something I can help you with.
Anonymous No.96185714 >>96185754
>>96185282
Go be the change you want. You won't because what you want combines the failure points of both organized tournament play and RPG campaigns.
Anonymous No.96185734 >>96185743 >>96186323 >>96186943 >>96208587 >>96214735
>>96184367
>>96184532
>>96184574
Wildly false equivalences and deliberately obtuse reductivism seems to be all you fatherless cunts can ever muster whenever anyone asserts that people who habitually shit in the public pool shouldn’t be allowed in the public pool. It’s like you realize you’ve lost, but you feel the need to keep arguing because you take it personal for reason (you’re probably a pool shitter yourself)
Disgusting fat fags like the homeboy in op essentially shit up the entire scene; no one with any dignity or self awareness wants to be anywhere near them, so by simply entering into flgs and plopping down their boring toys everywhere they drive away good decent people who would otherwise like to enjoy a communal gaming area to meet up with friends for whom home games aren’t an option or are inconvenient for whatever reason, and to meet new people and who gradually become new friends. When nasty shit smeared people are allowed into a civil or even neutral space, good and neutral people leave.
Anonymous No.96185735 >>96185853
>>96185282
The only stopping you from escaping anything is you anon.
Anonymous No.96185743 >>96185759
>>96185734
>whenever anyone asserts that people who habitually shit in the public pool shouldn’t be allowed in the public pool.

Anon calling something shit and then saying shit bad is not an argument.
Anonymous No.96185754
>>96185714
I literally do it and make sour milk fatties like you seethe all day at lgs when normies chat me up while their kids actively avoid even looking your direction. Feels good man
Anonymous No.96185759 >>96185767 >>96186202
>>96185743
Shit is bad moron
Anonymous No.96185767 >>96185774
>>96185759
Well your argument is shit anon
Anonymous No.96185774 >>96185840
>>96185767
It’s 100%
You’re literally doing exactly what I said you stinky fats do when cornered with reality
Anonymous No.96185779 >>96189196 >>96201624 >>96214747
>>96176329
Hell yeah dude. Gaming at home with friends and the nephews.

>>96182857
You are not wrong. Leafblower + Razorwolves was brutal from 5th and onward. 40k has always needed heavier terrain.

>>96182910
spot on. I started in the middle of 3rd.

>>96183220
This should have been the end of the thread
Anonymous No.96185840
>>96185774
And you're doing exactly what I said. You're nothing but pejoratives
Anonymous No.96185853 >>96186176
>>96185735
>"how does this affect you personally" but rephrased as an inspirational quote
Anonymous No.96185884 >>96185923
Sounds like a lot of angry crybabies in this thread are sad other people don't let them win when they play. If you don't enjoy the game part of the game just use them as action figures at home alone and you wont have to worry about it.
Anonymous No.96185923
>>96185884
Just you lardass
Anonymous No.96186123
Needs to be a completely different game, if current gw were to make it, it would have to be a rule set between kill team and 40k. Tout it as "40k for beginners" but make it the actual good game like kill team kinda is now.
Anonymous No.96186160 >>96191596
>>96184894
I don't know how calling TLoS "cancer" was unclear but nothing surprises me anymore with you retarded fucks that post here
Anonymous No.96186176 >>96186221
>>96185853
Anon he's comparing that he's unable to escape like as if he's being forced into this situation which is objectively false.
Anonymous No.96186202
>>96185759
Um excuse me do you have peer reviewed studies conclusively proving that shit is bad, chud?
Anonymous No.96186221 >>96186435
>>96186176
Again, if you're not capable of the level of abstract thought this discussion requires then I can't do anything for you.
Anonymous No.96186323
>>96185734
>Disgusting fat fags like the homeboy in op
Idk anon, you can post a pic and a timestamp to disprove me but you sound like you're one of those autistic fat sweaty fags
Anonymous No.96186435
>>96186221
Chalking it up as a comprehension issue on the part of the other anon is exactly the sort of faggotry I'd expect from you delusional sperg fucks. It's so easy to do the barest minimum of talking to people to see who feels similarly then scheduling a game. Instead you lazy queefing cunts would rather continue to put in zero effort, continue to rely on pick up games on store terrain, pretend everything is hopeless, and ceaselessly moan about it. I'd tell you to enjoy the punishment you've created for yourself but I bet you repulsive perverts actually do.
Anonymous No.96186734 >>96189931
Lots of lazy fat fucks itt defending the observable shitiness of playing 3D game in what is essentially 2D. Guess MtG is too hard for some people and they need games with zero variables and full knowledge of their opponents’ assets being equal to their own
Anonymous No.96186943 >>96198148
>>96185734
>When nasty shit smeared people are allowed into a civil or even neutral space, good and neutral people leave.
This happened to the warmachine scene at my lgs.
The sweats quickly drove out the casuals and they weren’t exactly specimens of human beauty they were like op. Then they only had themselves to play against and soon their armies appears in the used army sections. Not sure if they went back to warhammer. Never saw them playing warhammer.
Anonymous No.96186948 >>96195783
>>96176273 (OP)
Copy Warcry.
Have cards for mission, deployment and twist.
Not all are symmetrical or "fair" for every army. But each mission has a story to it.
Makes it simple for pick up and play

If you play with mates it's easy as, just make a story
Anonymous No.96187254 >>96191312
>>96176308
It was always compfag shit though. If you think otherwise, you clearly never played older editions.
Anonymous No.96189033
>>96176273 (OP)
campaign
I remember some rules about small scale (500-1000p) series of battles, each battle stake was at first neutral teritory giving some bonuses (like Barracks giving d6*10p to Troops, Shrine giving that to Elites etc); and after that trying to take over other's teritory
on side note did somebody tried to play with not IGOYGO activations? just played 10th ed, basically got tabled in 2 turns because not starting first
like giva a card from deck of cards each unit?
Anonymous No.96189077
>>96176374
>Random terrain tables, NPC monsters/aliens attacking passers-by, random event tables for stuff like rain and solar flares, units/characters being able to level up, etc.
there was something like that around 3-5 ed, I was mildly interested then, not even buyin minis, just checking rules
sounded fun
Anonymous No.96189196
>>96185779
Very nice table.
Anonymous No.96189376 >>96189720 >>96196050
>>96176273 (OP)
>how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game
maybe they could make a Narrative game mode designed around friendly leagues developing a narrative over multiple matches with options for unique interactions that lean into the factions flavor and put that in the core rule book and then provide supplemental rules for that mode in individual codices.
Maybe call the mode Jihad or something like that.
Anonymous No.96189720 >>96195893
>>96189376
But it’s not fair if I lose. How will GW fix that?
Anonymous No.96189912
You just have to wait until the people whose minds are locked in the competitive grindset move onto another popular nerd product.
Anonymous No.96189931
>>96186734
Yeah bolting mtg onto a wargame sounds like so much fun. I tap my captain to pay 0cp to make you shut up.
Anonymous No.96189951
>>96176273 (OP)
>how do we make 40k a fun narrative battle game like the old days
Play fun narrative battles. My friends and I have done infinite horde defense, "kill the Baneblade" and asymmetrical last stands in 10th. My current army is Imperial Agents using a bunch of my Necromunda and Inq28 minis and you bet that they're named and have their own personalities and agendas. Run a game with a GM to provide plot, pair up unlikely allies, give your force a history and reflect it in the modelling. Just do something that isn't posting on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>and stop focusing on the tourneyfag shit that's butchered the game?
You're the one focusing on it. Bait threads inviting a million variations on "wasn't it great back in the day" don't get games played. Where the fuck are your models? Where's your fluff?
Anonymous No.96189988 >>96190032 >>96191494 >>96209278
>>96176273 (OP)
Wargaming is distinct from other games in that originally the game was secondary. The game is a way to celebrate and express your creativity with this army you painted up in your own way. The game is "something to do" with the army, the creation of which was the main thing, and in reality, in a way, this is still the case. Most people spend much more time in the hobby side of things than they do playing the game

Horus Heresy was them literally stumbling ass backwards into doing this again. The narrower scope, the fact that 9 out of 10 armies were just space marines, pushed people to make an effort to differentiate and impart character to their armies. You pick a distinct legion, you work to realise that legions vibe and feel, or you make up your own chapters within the legion with their own quirks. You kitbash, pick very particular HQs or unit choices. Once again the game is the last and least important way of showcasing and playing with the sum of your creativity and work

You want a tabletop game to be dense and balanced enough that winning is satisfying, but you want that to compromise where necessary in service to being a satisfying way to express and act out your armies character, and allowing you to make sub-optimal decisions because its what your guys would do. You don't want to be incentivising world eaters players to take a bunch of forgefiends because maulerfiends, the melee option, are unplayably worse

Its not a matter of there being a single piece of advice. You need all the rulebooks and codexes and public messaging to revolve around encouraging narrative play. But GW has all kinds of incentives to do otherwise(they don't want to encourage kitbashing and unit variety like you could get with forgeworld cause its easier to streamline the range into plastic, with fewer options and higher margins due to higher production volume, and train you to want to buy that rather than than some rare, special thing or unique bits to customize your models)
Anonymous No.96190032
>>96189988
>Wargaming is distinct from other games in that originally the game was secondary

Lol no. Originally wargames were just played with chits on flat boards
Anonymous No.96191225
>>96176273 (OP)
Does he actually stand there for 2 hours trying to play that?
Anonymous No.96191312 >>96195195
>>96187254
Yes tournaments have always existed, no they were never so obviously the center of all design decisions
Anonymous No.96191494
>>96189988
Prompt?
Anonymous No.96191596 >>96191952 >>96195054 >>96195184
>>96186160
Let’s review the post.

>>96181827
>3rd had Cityfight. 4th had Cities of Death. Neither of those editions had TLoS, which is cancer
>Neither of those editions had TLoS, which is cancer
>the absence of TLoS, is cancer

The word "which" refers back to the entire clause before it, the absence of true line of sight. The fact that neither had true line of sight is what’s "cancer”.

English better brown hands.
Anonymous No.96191952 >>96192904 >>96192935
>>96191596
NTA but I saw your reply to his initial post and had to read his post again before I could understand how you'd got it mixed up. He'd worded it fine.
Anonymous No.96192904
>>96191952
>he worded it fine
Okay retard
Anonymous No.96192935
>>96191952
I was able to figure out what he meant and I still agree with that other anon, it was ambiguously worded and very easy to misinterpret.
Anonymous No.96193083 >>96194947 >>96195898
Anonymous No.96194947
>>96193083
Is that the faggatron in the op?
Anonymous No.96195054 >>96202584
>>96191596
There's ample context clues within that post, let alone the reply chain. You're pigshit thick.
Anonymous No.96195184 >>96202584
>>96191596
Tell you what, seeing as your delusion about not being retarded has you attempting to forensically read a post on 4chan like a total fucking loser in your favour, why not brush up on the conjugations of the irregular verb "be" and see what form I used. Dickhead.
Anonymous No.96195195 >>96200228
>>96191312
Wrong. The players, even the ones who claim to be casual/narrative players a have always engaged in WAACfaggotry. The only thing that's different between now and back then is GW stopped trying to fight it and is now milking those faggots for everything they're worth.
Anonymous No.96195559
>>96182713
>>96182748
WD the early 00s was fucking incredible
Anonymous No.96195773
>>96185131
Yes. Kids these days don't even know them metal models and instead think plastic is the be all end all *shudder*
Anonymous No.96195783
>>96186948
>he thinks waacfags give rat's ass about the story
Anonymous No.96195889
>>96179671
Last game I played my opponent and I basically ignored objectives.
It was at a narrative event, and the table had a portal with blood streaming down it that teleported people to ???
I saw my opponent loading people (including civilians) into it, so I made it my mission to blow it up. I'd more than likely have lost the base mission because I'm terrible at the game, but I had fun doing our own side mission.
Anonymous No.96195893
>>96189720
That's the neat part about Crusade, even when you are getting shit on you can still attempt to get some progression by completing certain secondary objectives or getting kills for XP
Anonymous No.96195898
>>96193083
Not gonna lie Troon colors look really good on Emperors Children
Anonymous No.96195946
>>96182713
Old WD was also riddled with ads, but the non-ad content in them was plentiful enough and of good quality so you didn't really notice. It was literally partially a catalogue in nature, but that was necessary back then for bits ordering. At the very least WS was cheap enough (and tended to have inserts or freebies) that even with all the ads you felt like you got enough bang for your buck. I have no idea why anyone would have a modern subscription to it, or even worse buy it piecemeal.
Anonymous No.96196050
>>96189376
Isnt it funny how people always complain about shit, yet refuse to even read the basic rule book?
I guess we could argue about how crusade mode is not perfect and how it could made better, but it exists, and it allows for all sorts of narrative missions, despite its flaws.
It's just that the majority of people does not care about narrative play but it's not GWs task to find like-minded players.
Anonymous No.96196123 >>96196641
>>96176273 (OP)
Don't play 40k, maybe? For once try something else, but the most default, basic wargame there is
Anonymous No.96196641 >>96197278 >>96198249
>>96196123
Try reading up crusade mode einstein, then get back to us
Anonymous No.96197278 >>96197477
>>96196641
Crusade fucking blows
>play a game of 10e (boring dogshit)
>bookkeep all your minigame points at the end
It's also worse than 9e Crusade, less content and literally impossible to play with just the core book
Anonymous No.96197359 >>96197437
>>96176273 (OP)
The problem with 40k is that it has 40k players in it.
-Longshanks.
Anonymous No.96197437 >>96198179
>>96197359
40k didnt even exist by then, I think this is a fake quote
Anonymous No.96197477 >>96197633 >>96197694
>>96197278
Pirate the books, dummie.
Or play 9th if you prefer that.
Fact is, a narrative game mode exists and always has existed.
Anonymous No.96197633
>>96197477
It's an escalation league format, get it right
Anonymous No.96197694 >>96198009
>>96197477
Why not just play 4th at that point.
Non of the current non mistake armies is missing.
Anonymous No.96198009
>>96197694
The edition you play does not matter. OP made an bad faithed thread and tried to make it seem impossible to play 40k with a narrative focus, when basically every edition supports exactly that. GW did not randomly decide to take it away. People just ignore it, and this thread proves it pretty clearly.
Crusade might not be perfect, but it exists and could be tweaked easily. But people rather claim 40k can only be played with soulless terrain, by weird looking guys. But its completely up to yourself how the table looks like.
Anonymous No.96198148 >>96200357 >>96200656
>>96186943
Warmachine was made for sweats tho. Your scene was an anomaly if they weren't there originally.
Anonymous No.96198179
>>96197437
That's actually one of the original WHFB designers in cosplay as a Bretonnian Lord.
Anonymous No.96198249
>>96196641
Dogshit will always be dogshit, retarded consoomer.
Anonymous No.96198278 >>96199275 >>96206277
Now what is this.. a coop mode to recreate some fun video game scenarios. But instead of trying it, people will rather continue to cry about how soulless everything is.
Anonymous No.96199275 >>96199425 >>96200113 >>96200177
>>96198278
Only vaguely related but after looking up 40k shit on GW's website and seeing models sold 'as seen in space marine 2' I feel kind of dirty for buying that game, like I willingly paid for an advertisement
Anonymous No.96199425
>>96199275
You did.
Anonymous No.96200113
>>96199275
>ARE YOU BUYING SPACE MARINES YET?!
Anonymous No.96200177 >>96200378
>>96199275
Things in space marine 2 actively look bad because they decided they couldn't be designed any differently or look any more detailed than tiny little models. They made the actual universe looks like toys and this is why.

Its so glaring where the line is. The backgrounds and setting in space martine 2 look fantastic because the art designers could just go crazy. The tyranids look good because tyranid models are barely less detailed than actual tyranids would be really, you could do alternate styles and variations and they might benefit from some extra detail as seen in some art, but basically with them copying the models works fine.

But then despite there being tonnes of art where space marines look "real" because they were allowed to take liberties with details and the texture of all the different materials, the space marines in that game look like terrible overgrown toys, as do things like the dreadnought and helbrute. And being able to do what you're referring to is exactly why they decided to make the game actively worse.
Anonymous No.96200214
>>96176308
40k wasnt like that, Fantasy tho has always been like that, not because of the game, but the community
Anonymous No.96200228
>>96195195
People will play the most optimal way they can ifgure out, that is the nature of games.
Thats why Game Designers fucking exist, its their job, to make fun and narrative way of playing the game, be the optimal one
Anonymous No.96200331 >>96200349 >>96200865 >>96201074 >>96201161 >>96201331 >>96201515 >>96201559 >>96201560 >>96202039 >>96203537 >>96213276
kino is back on the table
Anonymous No.96200349 >>96211560
>>96200331
>laser weapons encounter no cover
Anonymous No.96200357
>>96198148
I guess it was an anomaly. The warmachine scene popped up and then went away real fast.
Anonymous No.96200378
>>96200177
The only time the space marines don't clash visually with the scenery is at the
very beginning when you're still a reg in the Deathwatch. Turning into a Primaris and then looking as out of place as Samus or Master Chief could be taken as a commentary on the state of 40k if it wasn't accidental.
Anonymous No.96200656
>>96198148
I remember the warmachine players at my lgs stapled this page shut, filling every inch with staples so as to lock that page away forever.
Anonymous No.96200865
>>96200331
At least their models are painted. But man this picture is sad.
Anonymous No.96201074 >>96203646
>>96200331
Does anyone have a picture of the Infinity table they did where all the scenery is aquarium plants and iridescent transparent acryllic? Made me think of that.
Anonymous No.96201161
>>96200331
Kek, just added to my cringe compilation
Anonymous No.96201331
>>96200331
>the LoS blocking L shaped hard cover
10e was a mistake.
Anonymous No.96201515 >>96201599
>>96200331
To play doubles advocate there are reasonable reasons why terrain is like this for serious tournaments. If people are playing casual games like this though then yeah they are retarded. Back in the day though the best no effort terrain was whatever cool shaped packing foam you had leftover from appliances.
Anonymous No.96201559 >>96201616
>>96200331
The designated terrain maps per mission is so fucking soulless holy shit
It looks like a moba map. Wtf happened to just kinda mirroring the ruins and calling it a day? Did tourneyfags really bitch so much about it that they had to force perfectly symmetrical terrain on the game?
Anonymous No.96201560 >>96201765 >>96202159
>>96200331
This makes sense if you imagine the bases the terrain is on having a printed logo of wherever is hosting some hyper competitive gaming event on it.
Anonymous No.96201599
>>96201515
>serious tournaments
>moving toy soldiers around a table and rolling dice
Pick one
Anonymous No.96201616
>>96201559
It is not just souless, it's annoying. I like to play matched play game types in a casual scenario, and being told to place specific terrain in specific places is annoying.
Anonymous No.96201623 >>96201808
So who's forcing any of you to play like this, again?
Anonymous No.96201624
>>96185779
now THIS is a dog
Anonymous No.96201765
>>96201560
>TACO BELL
Anonymous No.96201808 >>96202780
>>96201623
Literally tremendous faggots like >>96176273 (OP) showing up to pickup games and designated wh days at flgs with their mdf shit terrain and insisting on using it, or at least tabling half of it among our otherwise good handmade and fully painted terrain, numbnuts
Anonymous No.96201859
>>96176329
If I didnt have children I could be socking about $5k a month into my retirement. Instead I’ll die working
Anonymous No.96202039
>>96200331
If I walked into a shop and saw this shit on a table I would laugh out loud and ask the faggots surrounding it if they want an adult to show them how to make terrain and play asymmetrical wargames with randomized goals and an emergent campaign story with rising stakes
Anonymous No.96202159 >>96202196 >>96202232
>>96201560
If those 3D printed frames were a multi-colored print using the colors of some gaming venue and a logo on the bottom part it would probably approach the type of vibe that I think they are going for.
Anonymous No.96202196
>>96202159
Needs to have to names and logos of all the shops in the shopping plaza the lgs is located in
>Boutique Nails
>Golden China
>Subway
>Tax Pros
>Statutory Vape Vapor & E-cigs
>Food Lion
Anonymous No.96202232 >>96202317
>>96202159
I don't think they're going for a vibe.

The entire point of that board seems to be "what if we made the most playable version of L-ruins we could." Nothing else explain why the floors would be clear acrylic (clear = always being able to see what's under them, measure to them correctly, etc.) The acrylic floors make even less sense if the frames are 3D printed like you say (I initially thought they were ironwork and the thing was somebody's pet project to combine hobbies).
Anonymous No.96202317
>>96202232
Yeah even straightforward utilitarian iron worker bros have too much soul, creativity, and craftsman pride to be caught dead on a moronic table like that lol
Anonymous No.96202445
>>96176273 (OP)
Historical games. They have the best community members that are generally very much into the hobby side of things, play narrative battles and are generally more well adjusted then the people who play sci-fi or fantasy games.

Plus because Historical accuracy gets you points in your army the troons and blue hairs don't get away with re writing history.
Anonymous No.96202584 >>96208799
>>96195054
>>96195184
Brown hands typed this
Anonymous No.96202780 >>96204180 >>96204652 >>96210152
>>96201808
And who is forcing you to play with such people? You know, the big advantage of 40k compared to pretty much every other game on the planet is that you can find players everywhere, at pretty much any time. Why play with the worst kind of people?
Anonymous No.96203537 >>96225959
>>96200331
I didn't think they could make L shaped ruins worse.
Anonymous No.96203646 >>96203892
>>96201074
Infinity has the excuse of being cyberpunky, so it's easily fluffed as a VR arena/training room, MGS-style.
Anonymous No.96203892
>>96203646
It looked really cool when they did it, I just can't find the photo to save my life.
Anonymous No.96204180 >>96204326 >>96205411
>>96202780
>if 70% of the M&Ms in the bag are candy coated dog turds who’s making you deliberately choose to pour those ones out of the bag into your hand?!
Anonymous No.96204326 >>96204374 >>96204415 >>96204492 >>96204543
>>96204180
Are you making up numbers so your silly example makes a little bit more sense?
Take the guy from OPs pic, or any other that looks like "him".
Would you actually consider to play a game with him? I would not even talk with someone like that nor shake his hand.
There is no sugar coat around such people, that could mislead you.
Look into the mirror, and remember how you look like. Look for similar looking people in your gaming space, and you will have a very high chance that you will find like-minded players. If however, something like the guy in OPs pic is looking back...
Anonymous No.96204374 >>96204396 >>96205423
>>96204326
You walk into a shop and the two decent gamers are playing each other. Everyone else is like that shitstain guy. What do?
Their very presence is the problem.
Anonymous No.96204396 >>96204415 >>96204538
>>96204374
Yes their presence is the problem.. but playing or interacting with them is not the solution. In your scenario I would either wait for the others to finish and watch their game (or ideally I know them already and make a game date with them via telegram or WhatsApp or discord).
Walking into a store blindly is something you should avoid, and most stores and clubs have groups on some kind of messenger platforms that allow people to communicate when and what they want to play.
Anonymous No.96204415
>>96204326
>>96204396
Spoken like a truly disgusting sour milk sweat lardass
Anonymous No.96204492 >>96204662 >>96205254
>>96204326
I'm curious what age you are.

I see OP's pic and it looks like... dyed hair and a jersey on a fat guy. That was THE uniform of fat white nerds in the early 90s. Punky color was all the rage and Kevin Smith didn't come up with that outfit outa nothing. If he were wearing docs I honestly wouldn't have any trouble believing that picture was 30 years old.
Anonymous No.96204538 >>96204662
>>96204396
Those abominations aren’t just neutrally taking up space and tables at the lgs, you midwit - they actively repulse decent people away away from shops with their odor, creepiness, and retarded bants. In effect they gatekeep the public vector of the hobby by being so insufferable that the only people who will play regularly at lgs are nasty fatasses just like them who see no issue with reeking of cat piss and generally being an obnoxious clown of a failed adult
Anonymous No.96204543
>>96204326
>t. sperg, cant into allegory
Anonymous No.96204652
>>96202780
>The big advantage of 40k is it's huge playerbase
>The disadvantage is all of the ones who you can actually get games with only want to play tournament scenarios over and over again
Anonymous No.96204662 >>96204893 >>96205066 >>96205192
>>96204538
I really can't see this as a problem affecting me, because I play with my friends, not some random fatasses at some store. I found buddies to play wargames with like 25 years ago, some left the group, others joined. None looks like a tranny or otherwise disgusting person.

>>96204492
Close to 40, and nope, here Warhammer people never looked like that. Even the typical metalheads did not look like that.
Anonymous No.96204893 >>96205142
>>96204662
Yeah dipshit no one here is debating how you play games in private with friends or even at lgs where you meet up with those same friends. We’re talking about the public vector try to keep up
Anonymous No.96204907
>>96176273 (OP)
I believe this may shed some light on the subject…
Anonymous No.96205066
>>96204662
>Warhammer people never looked like that

What did they look like, then? In the US there have been varieties of this dork for decades.

Is it just the purple hair?
Anonymous No.96205142 >>96205263
>>96204893
>We’re talking about the public vector

And that is 100% a /YOU/ problem. You dont like to spend time with smelly, greasy fat fucks? Guess what: The solution is to either kick them out of your gaming spaces, not let them enter in the first place, or if that is not possible, play elsewhere.
Anonymous No.96205192
>>96204662
>Close to 40, and nope, here Warhammer people never looked like that. Even the typical metalheads did not look like that.
In the early 90s when you were close to 5?
Anonymous No.96205254 >>96205268 >>96205610
>>96204492
>dyed hair and a jersey on a fat guy. That was THE uniform of fat white nerds in the early 90s.

Just American things. Here in Germany in the 90s, Skinheads would hunt you with baseball bats through the streets for looking like that.
As kids and teens, we looked totally normal if we weren't into one of the political subcultures. And rarely one of the "punks" or "nazis" would find their way into a warhammer store.
Anonymous No.96205263
>>96205142
>kick them out
Um we don’t all own the flgs like you, nigger
Anonymous No.96205268
>>96205254
Fair enough. Can't say I was thinking about Germany at all.
Anonymous No.96205411
>>96204180
Anon what situation are you in where you find yourself unexpectedly playing a game of competitive 40k
Anonymous No.96205423 >>96206111
>>96204374
What about removing them from that scenario actually improves it? You're still left with just those two guys playing by themselves
Anonymous No.96205610
>>96205254
Yeah the fat nerd is mostly a gringo thing.
Only recently as in the last 10 years I've seen in my country fat nerds.
But then again it was only like 10 years ago when we stopped being turbo poor.
Our lefties didn't like that so now we are going back to poverty levels from the 20th century because capitalism bad so they are destroying everything that took us out from poverty. I hate it here.
Anonymous No.96205650 >>96206193 >>96206277
Two separate rulesets: casual (fun) and competitive (“balanced,” sweaty, no items, fox only, final destination.)
Anonymous No.96205711
>>96176273 (OP)
You play 4th with mainly 3/3.5 books (but use 4e Marines, Templars, Tau & Nids)
Anonymous No.96206111 >>96212500
>>96205423
Vacant tables that would have otherwise been filled up by good decent people. But those people walked in, saw the stink fatties, did a 360, and moonwalked away
Anonymous No.96206193 >>96206277
>>96205650
The result is that everyone still plays the sweat lord -rules outside demos
Anonymous No.96206277 >>96206698
>>96205650
Exists already. You can play Crusade, and GW comes up with casual stuff like >>96198278 too. But Anon here >>96206193 is right: People just ignore it.
Anonymous No.96206482
>>96176273 (OP)
How do people let themselves get that bad?
Anonymous No.96206698 >>96207128
>>96206277
Crusade is a meme. It hardly worked in 9th and in 10th it might was well not exist.
This is a result of 10th no being a wargame. At least 6th to 9th pretend to be a wargame
Anonymous No.96207128
>>96206698
Do you have anything to say besides buzzwords?
Anonymous No.96208587
>>96185734
/Thread
Fuck basically/tg
Anonymous No.96208608
>>96181889
We just endlessly plan the defense of an invasion of Azerbaijan
Anonymous No.96208799
>>96202584
Fat downie fingers projected this cope
Anonymous No.96209278 >>96209297
>>96189988

>Wargaming is distinct from other games in that originally the game was secondary. The game is a way to celebrate and express your creativity with this army you painted up in your own way. The game is "something to do" with the army, the creation of which was the main thing, and in reality, in a way, this is still the case. Most people spend much more time in the hobby side of things than they do playing the game

No it wasn't, you ninny. "Artistic" fuckwits who get mad at balanced games because it means that your models can get beaten by someone smarter than you are cancer. You're the type who bullies the young kid who beats you at the game.
Anonymous No.96209297 >>96209413 >>96212315
>>96209278
>No it wasn't, you ninny. "Artistic" fuckwits who get mad at balanced games because it means that your models can get beaten by someone smarter than you are cancer
Literally just self projection. Waacfags are THE people who get mad about loosing and cry at the table when an 8th y.o. beats them.
People who actually enjoy playing, play because the process and the story that apears out of play is fun, not because "Ooh, i use my imaginary point, to get an abstreact +1 OC point, and stand on a circle for 2 hours, so i get 0.5 imaginary victory points, that represent nothing, which means that i win" is somehow fun
Anonymous No.96209413 >>96209432 >>96209676 >>96210228
>>96209297

>Waacfags are THE people who get mad about loosing and cry at the table when an 8th y.o. beats them.

No, it's the guys who say they're a "casual" player who whine that every army that can beat theirs is broken, and every army they can beat are balanced.

Competitive players are not "WAAC" they have sportsmanship.
Anonymous No.96209432
>>96209413
>"casual" player who whine that every army that can beat theirs is broken, and every army they can beat are balanced.
Noone fucking gives a shit about who wins a game of toy soldiers, what people care about, is for the game to be fun and flavourfull, which is something that is in direct opposition of what "players with sportsmanship" want
Anonymous No.96209676
>>96209413
Competitive players of 40k and AoS are the least sportsmanlike of any people in any competitive environment. Their ranks are made up of losers who never played sports as kids and never learned anything about being gracious winners or losers, much less just playing for fun and love of the game. It’s the kind of thing that they can’t ever replace or make up for, and it shows.
Anonymous No.96210152 >>96210295 >>96216572
>>96202780
I feel like people who spat this shit are secondaries and not actual playing the game. If I walk into any of my FLGSs I might find 1 person whose down to play something not in a tournament packet, but as a one of game.
Anonymous No.96210228
>>96209413
>40k tournaments have more blatant cheaters than fucking magic even when the games are being recorded for fucking pootube
lmao 40k waacfags are the fattest, dumbest, shittiest, and smelliest people of any gaming genre on the planet
actual grease walruses
Anonymous No.96210295 >>96211468
>>96210152
If you would actually play the game, you should have at least 10 people in your phone which would agree to play with you how you like it. That one person you mention, why not ask for his contact? The one person from last year. From before... Why not keep in contact with them?
Your problem is not the lack of people, but apparently your inability to become closer with them, so you still rely on playing games with randoms.
Anonymous No.96211468
>>96210295
I already do dummy, that’s why I know. I’ve been through this.

The game has been made competitive because that’s what the majority of people want to play, you’re going to find games with a competitive focus because that’s 40k is now.
Anonymous No.96211560
>>96200349
GUARD SUPREMACY
Anonymous No.96212072
>>96176273 (OP)
why not simply kill the competitive players?
Anonymous No.96212315
>>96209297
Scrubquotes
Anonymous No.96212500
>>96206111
>Vacant tables that would have otherwise been filled up by good decent people. But those people walked in, saw the stink fatties, did a 360, and moonwalked away

There is no LGS in the world where they issue is that there isn't enough table space lol
Anonymous No.96213276
>>96200331

you son of a bitch I KNOW WHERE THAT IS
Anonymous No.96214092
>>96176273 (OP)
1. Play better editions like 2/3/4
2. Wait till GW dies.

Unironicaly best thing that can happen to a game is GW dropping support like Epic or BFG. We have dedicated players who care not for latest metashit and play things they like and love.
Anonymous No.96214735
>>96185734

>Hobby attracts sweaty people with escapism fantasies
>Fantasy escapism doesn't equate to having good hygiene or social standards

Who would have thought. Just be normal anon. Get robbed, be broke, have friends who'll backstab you for financial opportunity and of course, be procrastinators like the majority. Or live in a gated community and brag about high taxes.
Anonymous No.96214747
>>96185779
I'm going to rape your dog.
Anonymous No.96215571
>>96176273 (OP)
Disregard
>balance
Anonymous No.96215822 >>96219351
>>96176273 (OP)
I hate how small the maps are now

There’s no time for clever position play
Anonymous No.96216572 >>96216591 >>96216646 >>96219856
>>96210152
>If I walk into any of my FLGSs
No shit you fucking idiot. Pick-up games are the minimum effort option and you get the minimum effort experience. In typical fashion somebody seeing secondaries everywhere like a caricature of a Nam vet is such a complete moron that their own status is questionable.
Anonymous No.96216591 >>96223263
>>96216572
Right, anyways the question is how do we as wealthy lgs barons, tops Gs, and shot callers put an end the veritable plague that is fat gross manchildren shitting up the scene and driving away good civil people who are wouldbe players and customers?
Anonymous No.96216646 >>96218320 >>96219889 >>96223263
>>96216572
>Pick-up games
do these actually happen? I keep hearing this "pickup game" shit posted around as a defense for shit rules and terrain but I genuinely have never played a game of warhammer by just walking into a store unannounced and seeing a bunch of guys sitting around waiting with armies. It has always been a game you have to ask around and schedule beforehand, even if the store has a day dedicated to it. Otherwise how will you know who is there? Who the fuck just wastes their day driving out to a store and hoping some guys are there and instantly available to play
Anonymous No.96218320 >>96219889 >>96223263
>>96216646
I 100% believe that there are some people who see a store as an extension to their living room, and spend a considerable amount of time ther. This depends a lot on the store in question of course, how big it is, and if it serves more like a club or if it's a tiny 1-man-shoebox with 3 shelves. but I agree with you in that this should not be the main source of your gaming opponents.
I played a game like this once, when I was on vacation in Ukraine of all places. Walked into a hobby store in Lviv and got invited to play. It was fun.
But here, obviously I am in several local chat groups, and if someone wants to play on Saturday for example, they would just post there.
Anonymous No.96219351 >>96219570
>>96215822
That’s the point; cleverness is unfair to the type of people in OP’s pic related. The game is now a matter of whose dice roll the highest first. Once you realize this, it all makes sense about why they don’t paint and base minis or craft terrain - that’s not the game or the hobby to them. It’s rolling dice.
Anonymous No.96219570 >>96219720 >>96219990
>>96219351
So, why not just skip the song and dance and just roll dice? It's not like there isn't a huge bunch of dice-based games, both old and modern. I can understand people treating a shitty game as excuse to use and present their painting and modeling skills, but this? shitty/incompleted models, no painting, shit rules, shit balance... so what's left?
Anonymous No.96219720 >>96219738 >>96220039
>>96219570
>So, why not just skip the song and dance and just roll dice?
I know people who don’t collect or paint and only play through stuff like online table top simulator. These freaks exist.
Anonymous No.96219738
>>96219720
They exist, but they are hardly a problem you would ever encounter at any LGS
Anonymous No.96219856 >>96223263
>>96216572
10e defender fags going in circles. We went from:

>competitive games aren’t the norm and no one’s forcing you to play.

And now we’re at:

>competitive games are the norm and are entirely what you can expect from a pick up game with randoms

When provided with no real alternatives or options it effectively compels a specific action or outcome. In this case playing 40k means playing with a table full of L ruins and a competitive mindset. Go fuck yourself.
Anonymous No.96219889 >>96219989 >>96220242
>>96216646
>>96218320
Lot of no games in this thread.

>FLGS has a weekly 40k night
>walk in
>say “anyone looking for a game?”
>play 40k
It’s really that simple.
Anonymous No.96219989 >>96220832
>>96219889
Are they really playing 40k? or just 10th? Because 10th is not 40k.
I would not call someone wearing your friend's skin, my friend.
Anonymous No.96219990
>>96219570
>why not just skip the song and dance and just roll dice?

The answer is simple. For the same reason you might wear a t-shirt with your favorite band on it, these people see all the cool promos and graphic art and legacy of something as old and storied as Warhammer and they want to feel as though they are a part of it - they want to want steep themselves in all the trappings and bells and whistles of something they think is cool or prestigious so that they in turn can be associated with it in the eyes of outsiders. It’s the basic “awesome by association” principle in action.
The sad reality however, is that grotesque sweaty fat guys who can’t be bothered to groom their hair or skin are so numerous and so conspicuous in the hobby scene that they actually become the public-facing aesthetic (as opposed to sick blanche poster art of hardened space marines absolutely assravaging xenos or charming fantasy tables with puffy trees and rounded hills).
tl;dr - these types of people conspicuously consoom product to feel like a part of something bigger, but ultimately just do nothing but roll d6s
Anonymous No.96219991 >>96220216
>>96176273 (OP)
Go play with your friends dude.
Anonymous No.96220039
>>96219720
OK, and I don't mind them, since as far as I'm concerned they're a self-containing problem.
Anonymous No.96220216 >>96220303 >>96220309 >>96221073
>>96219991
That’s all good, but how can we enhance the optics of the broader hobby scene and attract well adjusted, fun adults instead of the constantly influx of gross fatasses?
Anonymous No.96220242 >>96220259 >>96220832
>>96219889
Here the weekly game night exists too, but people do not just come in, they post on our discord what army they bring and usually also the time they plan to be there. Some even arrange for snacks being brought beforehand (like someone drives by burger king on his way there) etc.
Almost nobody just drops by unannounced and people usually would also write something if they can't attend the coming night etc.
But for sure this will be different from store to store.
Anonymous No.96220259 >>96220471 >>96220832
>>96220242
Oooh, this explains why so many people who play at my lgs are literal discord trannies like >>96176273 (OP)
Anonymous No.96220303 >>96220414
>>96220216
The hobby has always been dominated by gross fatasses
Anonymous No.96220309
>>96220216
By spending several hundred million dollars on ad campaigns. The zeitgeist has been poised against you for decades though, so this battle will be fought mostly uphill in the rain. Best of luck, brave soldier. Maybe you can convince Mossad it will make whites have less babies.
Anonymous No.96220414
>>96220303
It’s gotta stop. They need to go back to elementary school and start over
Anonymous No.96220471 >>96220832 >>96223263
>>96220259
Things like discord and whatsapp has killed the "just show up and play a game"
People commenting things like "go out and talk to people" sounds like the old folks telling you to walking into a store and just talk to the owner till you get a job.
The world has changed and they have not notice it.
Anonymous No.96220832 >>96221330 >>96221887
>>96219989
>it’s not real 40k
Anon I’ve got bad news…

>>96220242
>>96220471
>>96220259
Your community fucking blows, sorry you’re in this situation. It’s unfortunate.
Anonymous No.96221073
>>96220216
These kinds of games offer two things, escapism and a sense of accomplishment. Losers love escaping from their miserable lives and losers also love the feeling of accomplishment with out actually having done any work. Playing and winning games of 40k are what these people live for. Like moths to a light, losers are drawn to table top games. The hobby will always be dominated by these people, what is needed are communities made up of decent people who are willing to gate keep losers from entering into their community.
Anonymous No.96221079 >>96221338
>>96176273 (OP)
I was under the impression that Crusade Books are where narrative battles remain alive and well. I unfortunately aren’t too interested in the most recent one, but the option is there regardless. Maybe they could go further though, like Crusade specific enhancements like different armor types and improved WS/BS for your weapons, so an unimpressive unit in regular matched play can punch above its weight.
Anonymous No.96221330
>>96220832
Worst thing is I grew with places where you could just show up and get a game.
So I saw them die as I grew older and watch as players went from fun random scenarios to just play tournament formats everyday all day.
I fucking hate modern 40k because it no longer is 40k.
Anonymous No.96221338
>>96221079
At the end of the day 10e is still 10e and doesn’t lend itself to narrative games. Doesn’t matter if you tack on extra abilities through a progression system, your still playing 10e and it’s L shaped ruins. The times I have played it crusade was actually worse than a standard game, things can get ridiculous with the new abilities.
Anonymous No.96221887 >>96223583
>>96220832
>Your community fucking blows

Not really, because it allows you to play other games way more consistently than just showing up with your WW2 army, hoping someone else might bring theirs too.. just to end up sitting there the whole evening with nobody to play. Now i know exactly if someone brings his Infinity stuff, but also has his Bolt Action and 40k armies in the car
Anonymous No.96223263 >>96223387 >>96223596
>>96216591
Nothing you can do that changes that game stores are basically used as respite centres except maybe tell the retards when they need to wash or put on deodorant. Just abandon stores for clubs like always.

>>96216646
>>96218320
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

>>96219856
You are beyond simply retarded if you think I'm a "10e defender" just because I acknowledge the reality of pick-up gaming. This is coping that's indistinguishable from you being mentally ill. There is a real alternative outlined many times ITT, communicate and connect with people, find out who is likeminded, and organise the sort of game you want. Might be a big task for a fucking weirdo like you but that's all the more reason for you to engage in some self improvement.

>>96220471
Don't be obtuse. Talk to people ~*On Discord*~ then, whatever. Even then, do you not talk to other people you see every week or two at the store?
Anonymous No.96223387 >>96224159
>>96223263
> Even then, do you not talk to other people you see every week or two at the store?
Not that guy, but I'm having the issue of people just wanting to play 40k 10th in the tournament format only. At that point might as well just play a videogame.
Anonymous No.96223583 >>96228189
>>96221887
If you show up to bolt action night and no one’s there to play bolt action your community has problems, what the point of scheduled programming if you have to summing people through discord? It’s fucking ass.
Anonymous No.96223596 >>96224159
>>96223263
>using discord is self improvement
Anon you might be retarded, get tested.
Anonymous No.96224159 >>96227701
>>96223596
That's not what I wrote and you know it, you annoying little turd. That said, whether it's some sort of social media, email, some brand name instant messenger, it's stupid not to use whatever the locally dominant means of organising is. Particularly when it's a hangup you're only adopting as ammunition for these puerile contrived arguments. That's the self-improvement I'm talking about; expunging whatever faggotry has you shamelessly pretending to be a mentally ill retard that can't read.

Other nerds being willing to put up with you is a very low bar, but one which you and many other dysfunctional manchild losers on this website seem determined not to reach.

>>96223387
If the other people aren't at the store, where are they? Maybe there's a club nearby. No harm in asking. I've even found a group from seeing historical wargaming magazines sold at a country newsagent. If this reads as being condescendingly obvious I'm sorry, I've had multiple interactions here where people haven't even bothered to google what's in the local area.
Anonymous No.96225959 >>96227054
>>96203537
wait until they start putting the tournament's logo and other immersion-defying slop onto the barely-even-ruins-anymore "terrain"
Anonymous No.96227054 >>96227123
>>96225959
They already do that. It’s been over for a while. Between that and literal discord trannies overrunning game stores the state is the hobby aint lookin so good
Anonymous No.96227123
>>96227054
>take on corpo-hobby
>complain about corpo-problems
Anonymous No.96227701
>>96224159
The clubs here are for the people who are trying to get golden tickets to events in the USA or the UK. They are even more of a tournamentfags.
Other games like middle earth or bolt action for some fucking reason are also tournament obsesses.
Like something broke after 2019 that people switch into tournament mindset for everything, because even the fucking settler of catan groups doing tournament plays in my city.
I know some necromunda players in city like 2 hours away with no traffic play from time to time, and some guys in the south of the country that like a 10 hour drive from where I live that play older 40k editions. I've gone there from time to time, but that is not a practical solution for the week or weekends.
Anonymous No.96228142
>>96176995
t-they exclusively play trench crusade nowadays
Anonymous No.96228189
>>96223583
>bolt action night

There is no Bolt Action night Anon.. there is "tabletop wargaming nights". Thursday and occasionally on Monday too.
And you probably can imagine that most people there play 40k, but having a discord lets you arrange other games too.
Nobody brings their Malifaux or Oathmark minis on a random basis to a store.. because you could sit there for months until another player might show up randomly, with his minis, but if you post in discord that you would like to play it, someone might react to it and you will have a game. Maybe not this week, but maybe next Thursday at around 7pm.
If you do not understand the benefits of such a system, i really cant help you.
Anonymous No.96228776
>>96176273 (OP)
>what being cucked actually does to a mfer
This poor bastard can’t be bothered to do anything but buy new product, 3D print new product, parrot the trappings of gregariousness he saw on tv, and literally stink up all three lgs in the area.
Anonymous No.96229624
I just bring my soulsome and two different armies to the shop and play with whoever I want, letting them pick whichever army