Over the handful of years I've grown to hate this hobby. Downright loath it to the point that sometimes I wish I could destroy it. I came in this hobby thinking that I make some friends but all I got was getting backstabbed, betrayed an alienation.
I hate the D20 and the D20 system. Not because it's a gas which it does. But because every time I play a game with a D20 in it it absolutely goes straight to shit.
I hate the fact for the last handful of years no matter what I do or why try I cannot find the game that interests me nor can never attract players to a game. I hate the fact that this entire franchise is dictated by three companies. Everything that has been done and will be done will be in vain due to their struggles because this entire franchise just one big fucking cannibalistic crap bucket. Personally at this point I want to burn it all down and beast on the scorch remains like a crab hot pot feast. I hate the fact that the only good place on the entire internet is this ratchet cesspit of a shit hole that is called /tg/.
I hate that every single person I've ever played with is an autistic dumbass fagit who is so far up their own ass that you give brain dead NPC sheeple a good name.

I hate that it's so hard to schedule sessions when people have irregular schedules, because RPGs are so much fun and I wish we could do it every week.

>>96211133 (OP)
You read like someone who's fun at a table. It's a complete mystery why you had a bad time.

>>96211133 (OP)
I hate that my options for fellow players these days are almost entirely Critical Role-inspired, overly woke X-card users or aspie chuds who more often than not bring up their far righty politics just as much as the first group do their far lefty.

There was a period in the 80s and 90s when you could reliably find people to game with who were either nerdy but not super weird, or goth but not super weird, and people could find things to talk about aside from culture wars.

I also miss slutty goth girls playing Vampire. I'll always remember you, Akasha, even if your kisses did taste like clove cigarettes

>>96211139
God fucking yes.

No on will schedule anything anymore, and that includes games. How fucking hard is it to keep a standing game once a week? Jesus.

I hate that I have to rely on strangers on the internet to get a game going because none of my friends want to play.

>>96211133 (OP)
I like this hobby.

It's actually great when you tune out the influencers and their overpriced gadgets and products, whack on a documentary or an album, get a brew going and paint some minis.

I don't love prices, I don't love cleaning up plastic, I don't love that the sphere is dominated by one or two companies who push an impossible meta, but learn to just do what you like and push through the work and enjoy it.

Overall there are way more reasons to be happy with the hobby compared to those reasons to be unhappy.

if you're a fully paid up member of the culture wars or heavily invested in only 1 or 2 of the bigger tabletop games then yeah it's probably gonna munch nuts.

>>96211180

I absolutely hate interacting with people on the internet. Because I'm absolute ass at it and I have no form of feedback whatsoever like a face-to-face conversation.

>>96211150
We usually get 1-2 games a month, 5ish hours in length, but we can't lock down static dates. The delay between sessions often reduces hype, because no one remembers what the fuck we were doing. Attendance improved when GM said that whoever can't find time to play once a month will just sit the session out, but no one really wants that to happen so it's still touch-and-go. We do live in a weird time where adults are apprehensive to schedule anything, and I really don't see why.

>>96211140
OP made a crab hot pot and no one came :(

>>96211216
if you live in Sydney, wash your balls and haven't committed a hate crime in the last eighteen months I'll play Space Weirdos with you.

>>96211220
I'm mostly just tired of feeling like someone who's unwanted stuck on the outside looking in to all the good times that I may never have. I am tired of putting so much time and energy and effort and to not only trying to get a game going but also trying to get along with others. I am tired of how shit discord is, especially all of the /TG/ servers. I am tired of how quickish at all is like we're still in bloody high School. I'm tired of trying to find enough people to get a game doing that I spend more time trying to bring people together who all end up as no shows.

>>96211133 (OP)
The extreme reliance of multiple people required to enjoy over 99% of the hobby is pretty soul crushing at times.

I got all this great stuff laying around amassed over decades then I got disabled and now have all the time in the world to game but nobody else has time. It's like having a shit load of currency for a nation that stopped existing right when you were going to move there.

You got solo variants or outright solo games you can play, but those are rare. Online play is fucking cancer, I would rather not play at all because of how badly that shit cheapens the experience. I will never understand how mother fuckers can swear TTS or VTTs are "just as good". It's like saying Facebook friends are just as good as IRL friends and really shows how detached from personal relationships people have become.

>>96211244
I live in the god forsaken bible belt.
It's like the rust belt except full of abrahamic christian cultist.

>>96211259
I quite like Jesus, less so the fandom.

>>96211139
I found it easier to plan them on a weeknight, after 6PM, lasting no longer than 3 hours max. It fits the schedule for a lot of people and doesn't take away from precious "weekend family time" that would make spouses seethe. Means cutting some people out who can't make it though, buts that's just life.

>>96211259
I also live in the bible belt. My wife isn't from here and she said "there's a lot of churches around here". So I pulled up a map of all the churches in a ten mile radius. I can't remember how much it was exactly, but it was north of 60. For comparison, there was less than 20 places to eat counting fast food places.

>>96211266
That's a pretty good idea. I've been running on the principle that it's better to have 5 hours and use 3, than to schedule 3 hours and use 5. But maybe I just need to allow for shorter games to snipe them on the week days.

>>96211279
Far easier to grab them that way AND makes session planning a breeze as well.

>>96211133 (OP)
I don't that's the hobby, but i hate the people I rely on to participate in it. Solution: solo games

>>96211133 (OP)
>tell me the reasons why you hate this hobby
I don't. If it wasn't fun I wouldn't do it.

I hate how a lot of people refuse to give any TTRPG a chance.

>>96211133 (OP)
>But because every time I play a game with a D20 in it it absolutely goes straight to shit.
Try GURPS

I love the hobby and my players, but I hate the current state of hobby-related online discussions. Sometimes I'd like to talk about things with people other than my group to get fresh, new perspectives, but every RPG-related site seems to be shit one way or another. I don't think that's hobby-specific, though, as non-RPG-related online discussions are equally shitty. People can still treat each other as actual people face to face, but online things tend to devolve either into circlejerks or into pointless, peefirmative arguments where no one is interested in listening to what other people are actually saying and instead just try to score points with their own 'tribe'.

>>96211335
And if I knew a place that was better I wouldn't share it with the people here.

>>96211339
That's fair, neither would I.

>>96211133 (OP)
I hate nerd culture in this hobby. I hate the fact that I'm stuck playing with absolute noobs or snobbish elitists. Never is there an in between and I'm either playing with people who I have to constantly teach the game and expand my levels of patience to mars just so I don't lose my shit and go insane or I'm playing with the most jerkass optimizer powergaming bitch who only joins games to power jerk his cock while staring at himself in the mirror like Patrick Bateman. I hate how fucking insanely toxic this fanbase is when it comes to anyone liking anything they don't like and instead of being chill about it they act like football fanatics who wouldn't be friends with someone they like, because they cheer for the other team. I hate that anytime anyone asks for advice in the entirety of tabletop it is met with the same level of reception as a clerk at a gas station who is done with life, so nobody learns anything and everyone is bitter and nobody gets into the hobby. I hate the gatekeepers who think that the hobby will grow by being even more disgusting and shitty by pushing people whose politics they don't agree out. I hate mother fuckers who force politics into everything too. I hate that making friends in this hobby is impossible because so many people are just mean-spirited dicks who care more about being a badass over make-believe or winning the game than making a potential friend. Doesn't matter if it's an RPG, or wargaming, or fucking card games. People would rather be the coolest fucking thing in the room, instead of making friends. To the point that some of them cheat to get a win even at a LGS, it doesn't matter what it is. Then those same exact people turn around and bitch about how nobody wants to play or hang out with them.

>>96211346
I have played rpgs with dozens of people. Every single one of them was someone I introduced to rpgs or was introduced by someone I introduced. I'm like a master vampire.
It's pretty comfy.

>>96211351
>Master vampire
Good picture. Have to be careful who you sire, to not create problems for the clan down the line.

>>96211133 (OP)
>Tell me the reasons why you hate this hobby and things about it.
I like my hobbies. That's why they're my hobbies.
>>96211210
>It's actually great when you tune out the influencers and their overpriced gadgets and products
You're in charge of what you watch and buy. Never had to tune those things out in the first place.

>>96211133 (OP)
>I know that f...
That's because you're playing role-shitting games. In short, you need to take a D&D LBB (white box) or early classic traveler (black box 1977) and DIY it. It's hard. For example, you'll need to answer the question "what's the problem with the thief class and why some DMs don't include it in the game", or "how the skill system from modern games hinders the DM's games". Otherwise, you add as many rules as you need. And the rules that you want. Unfortunately, all other games are just shit for degenerates.

>>96211133 (OP)
Sounds like the common denominator was you.

>>96211133 (OP)
Stop playing DnD

>>96211220
>no one remembers what the fuck we were doing

That's because you're playing in a theater shit. A real game is a sandbox. Where there's a common genre setting and the game is the same thing every time. The beginning. Went into a tavern, heard a rumor, went to check it on the hex map. The rumor was false: came back, repeated. The rumor turned out to be true, entered a dungeon-like place, fought, went through traps, found treasure, returned to the tavern. Rested. The end. The beginning...

The players will never remember what happened in the last game. They don't even remember what character they're playing as. The players will never read the rules. Every player is like that, every game is like that. Everything is the same every single time. This is not a bug, this is a feature. You'll have to adapt to it.

>>96211570
Yes I've never searched for something I'm interested in, either

>>96211248
That's because you don't understand that roleplaying isn't just about running games with players. Running games with players is only a small part of this hobby. You have to start enjoying ttrpg. Reading, learning, understanding how to play the game. You have to stop being a GM. You're just "John from Miami" who likes ttrpg. You don't have to run them. You can read the rulebook, then say "that was fun" and put it on the shelf. You can play TTRPG computer games, you can read TTRPG novels. I heard on Spoony's podcast that he had asshole at his Vampire game who knew all Princes in every city, the balance of power in each city, etc. He was a player, and he never ran a games. Why did he read all that stuff when he wasn't going to run it? Because he enjoyed it. He did it for himself. This is what you should become. You are not a DM, you are just a person who likes ttrpg. So enjoy it. And only run games if you want to, with cool players and if you will be interested in running the game.

>>96211768
Dude you sound like you play with the mentally impaired. Pretty based of you, but not everyone does that.

>>96211820
>The ads compell me!
Sounds like a you problem.

>>96212049
Well, it would be if it existed. The original point was not to get too drawn into parasocial distraction and you've already established that your iron will protects you from this.

>>96212067
>I'm not sure what I wanted to argue with you about, but I'm mad about it!
Alright bud.

>>96211133 (OP)
I hate the social permissiveness of outcasts that have allowed it to be infested from to to bottom with people so physically and spiritually ill that it causes me atavistic disgust to even see them.

So many people in this hobby need an antipsychotic, not a tabletop game.

>>96212079
Add pedants and humblebrags to the list

>>96211647
The white box D&D is not even a role-playing game. It's just an advanced version of chainmail the war game with hero units.

The actual answer you should have been saying it's use the first actual role-playing game tunnel and trolls and modify it from there. Yes tunnels and trolls is a hot mess of rule clarification along with if and maybe an but's. You could even said start with something really simple and free like risus or roll for shoes. And then I told them work your way up from there.

Not everybody's in the mood to play the equivalent of fantastical setting with The lethality of Twilight 2000s. Very few people have fun playing Oregon trail levels of lethality and dying of dysentery.

>>96212083
This but also for the kind of people who experience "atavistic disgust." The same kind of people who use the term "longhouse" unironically. Left or right, you're dirt.

>>96211838
That just sounds like having a bunch of basic language programming manuals and never attempting to type out the programs out on a computer to run them.
Back in the day there used to be a shit ton of basic language programming books with computer games that youcan program yourself and play.

>>96211144
>X-card users
Surely thou shittest me, o my brother?

>GMing should be enough of a role within the group so someone else should be handling logistics/reminders, another player could host, a third could be in charge of snacks, etc.
>I hate when outsiders fuck with the game. Like, if you're jealous you don't attention from your boyfriend 4-5 hours every other week, get a fucking life. Take up a hobby of your own, watch a movie he wouldn't like, grab dinner with your girlfriends, go for a jog, do -something-. If you reversed the genders that shit would be considered abuse.
>It's annoying how players are sometimes total retards and other times super-geniuses who figure out the most convoluted conspiracy instantly.
>There's so many easy ways to learn about games(YouTube reviews/breakdowns, free quickstart guides etc) but everyone's attention span is totally fucked and they need everything spoonfed to them.
>Hate it when players are in ultra-paranoia mode and doing the simplest tasks becomes a huge ordeal.

>>96211133 (OP)
>I've grown to hate this hobby
Then why the fuck are you here?

>>96211144
I don't have that issue because I play with my friends. Have you tried that? You... You have friends, right?

>>96211144
Revealing my power level as a pro-gay pro-trans communist here to say that I mostly only play with other ultra lefties or liberals and not just have I never once used X-cards or consent checklists or any of that dumb shit but I also have never talked about politics at the game table

>>96211150
sounds dreadful

>>96211210
this board is not for war games, leave

>>96211244
bro removes the only layer protecting him from jewish ball-control rays KEK

>>96212675
I also play with liberals and communists and I've had the same experience. The closest we got to that stuff was the DM messaging each of us to ask if it was okay to include implications of sexual slavery and rape. None of those formal systems that redditors use.

>>96212086
So you, then.

>>96211139
This is the big one. People can't or won't make time for the hobby, and when they do, they don't always make a real effort to engage and actually enjoy it, actively.

Passive players drag the game down, but worse is that their lack of engagement leads them to cancel and make excuses more often, meaning no one gets to play because the guy who said he wanted to play and told everyone he was willing to commit to the long-term responsibility of showing up and playing a game with friends can't be bothered to actually try to do and enjoy the thing he said he would

>>96212092
filtered.

>>96216316
Playing games is utterly dreadful

>>96212675
Yeah I've only ever had trouble with far right people at my table. I think a lot of the X-card shit is overblown and frankly people who are assholes are usually assholes regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum.
I see posts about "would you play at a table with 5 tieflings" and my answer to that is yeah man if they aren't dicks and can have fun, then sure. I just want to have fun with make believe fantasy shit, I'm sure I've got my own personal issues that rub people the wrong way but I try to be chill with people.

>>96212675

Yeah I've only ever had trouble with far left people at my table. I think a lot of the nazi shit is overblown and obviously morally correct and frankly people who are assholes are always leftist tyrants.
I see posts about "would you play at a table with 5 nazis" and my answer to that is yeah man if they aren't dicks and can have fun, then sure. I just want to have fun with make believe fantasy shit, I'm sure I've got my own personal issues that rub people the wrong way but I try to be chill with people.

>>96211266
This is the way.
Consistant weeknight games that respect people's work hours and sleep schedule.
Ive had a weekly group for like 5 years this way.
And then more pickup/oneshot kinda shit if someone wants to run something and people are interested on weekends occasionally.

>>96216360
Yeah I've only ever had trouble with right wingers at my table. I think a lot of the woke shit is overblown and obviously fine and frankly people who are assholes are always conservatives.
I see posts about "would you play at a table with 5 libs" and my answer to that is yeah man if they aren't dicks and can have fun, then sure. I just want to have fun with make believe fantasy shit, I'm sure I've got my own personal issues that rub people the wrong way but I try to be chill with people.

>>96212675
Yeah I've only ever had trouble with far left people at my table. I think a lot of the nazi shit is overblown and obviously morally correct and frankly people who are assholes are always leftist tyrants.
I see posts about "would you play at a table with 5 nazis" and my answer to that is yeah man if they aren't dicks and can have fun, then sure. I just want to have fun with make believe fantasy shit, I'm sure I've got my own personal issues that rub people the wrong way but I try to be chill with people.

>>96212675
Frankly I don't buy that the people who would be on the receiving on of an x card could actually be trusted to stop.

>>96211310
If a TTRPG was good, it would be D&D. But that exists already, so I'd rather just play that.

>>96216360
>>96216607

>>96212675
Frankly I don't buy that the people who would use an X card could actually be trusted to use it in good faith.

>>96211133 (OP)
Constant negativity poisons the soul.

>>96216638
Yes like I said X-cards and "consent checklists" are dumb and worse than useless

>>96216334
If you don't enjoy the hobby, stop telling people you want to do the hobby.

>>96211266
This would work if my core players didn't have any early birds who are about to die if they have to be up past 8

>>96216642
but he's fucking right though

>>96211253
>online play is cancer
I genuinely hope you never find a group, you dumbass. You're not some cool rebel, you're just an insufferable faggot. You know you can just tell people "Sorry, you're not a good fit, you're out."

>>96220376
I wouldn't describe online play as cancer, just not that fun

>>96212067
Y-yeah that's what the man said and it's good advice. You can just NOT participate in that. I'm a member of several RPG Discords and websites and I have most of the channels on mute. I ignore personalities. I play the game and talk with other enthusiasts. Like... that's what you do when... I dunno, you're like, complaining about the fact that you need to put on shoes when you walk outside or that you need to heat an egg before you eat it.

>>96220387
I enjoy it more than IRL.

>>96220436
Different strokes but we're thinking of getting in-person games going now that my core group are all living in the same city again

>>96211133 (OP)
I'm 42. I moved this March to a new place on the other end of the country. It's a 1.5 mil urban agglomeration and I can't find a single fucking group since March. The best I could get were two one-shots run extremely irregularly in the local library. Every possible group that I could find was around late teens and both them and me were obviously uncomfortable with having such age gap. There is literally nobody my age playing and having open slots in their groups. There is nobody answering my ads, set up mid-April (like what the fuck, not a single fucking reply).
I hate how after certain age, you either have an established group or at least a regular local event, or you are pretty much fucked. Out of desperation, I'm going to try to set up my own gig as a GM in the library by September (already got it cleared with the library's administration), but I want to fucking play, not run for randos.

>>96212675
Yeah I've only ever had trouble with people at my table. I think a lot of the shit is overblown and frankly people who are assholes are usually assholes regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum.
I see posts about "would you play at a table with 5" and my answer to that is yeah man if they aren't dicks and can have fun, then sure. I just want to have fun with make believe fantasy shit, I'm sure I've got my own personal issues that rub people the wrong way but I try to be chill with people.

>>96221044
38 here and I just want to play 40k 4th edition or necromunda.
Local players just refuse to play anything but the most up to date 40k rules in the most waac format ever. Worst thing is I live in the third world, this people can't afford to chase the meta but they still try.
Even games like Bolt Action, people refuse to play the older editions at least till the rest of the armies get their rules.
For me is utterly insane that my local player just keep chasing the newer thing.

>>96221044
39, near identical deal
>Have two regular groups and a local event that's held bi-weekly, along with a place to play board games
>Move after job last fall, better salary, better working hours, superior housing
>But it's also an absolute fucking gaming wasteland
>Nowhere to play board games in a 90 miles radius
>Not a single open event of any kind to join or simply show up
>The only way to get into anything is via social media, which I don't have
>And it's about organizing online games anyway
>The only actual, physical players available to be found are literal children
>Anyone past the age of 16 already has a full group and apparently isn't looking for replacements for nearly a year
>When I asked in the library about local RPG groups, the chick behind the counter tried to send me to the shelf with Monopoly and puzzle sets
Where the fuck is that fabled "Renaissance of tabletop games" from few years prior? I moved from a small town to a much big city, so it should be easier to find groups by pure statistics alone. If not for the fact the local bar is having regular card game nights every Saturday, I would have nothing and nobody to play at fucking all.

>Tell me the reasons why you hate this hobby and things about it
A lot of people in this hobby are insufferable and overwhelmingly lazy. I am just honestly shocked at the laziness.

The biggest thing that grinds my gears are flakers. I often(!) organize games and the amount of last-minute cancellations I've experienced is wild. I've run games for almost 12 years now and I have had to cancel a session exactly once because of an emergency. Once. In the last two weeks I've had three different people cancel shortly before the game; one of these was fourteen fucking minutes before we were supposed to start. 14 minutes! I just cannot understand it. Even if you do get sick or whatever then it doesn't fucking happen 14 minutes before. Communicate, you motherfucking assholes. And apropos: if I suggest a date for our next session and you can't play that date THEN FUCKING SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES AND DON'T FOCE ME TO GUESS. SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES. Goddamn.

The other thing is laziness. It's really quite astonishing to me how people can claim to be fans of the hobby, yet the idea of reading a rulebook (or anything, really) doesn't even occur to them. I've found that many people want to show up and be entertained, but putting in any effort is impossible, apparently. Being a /tg/ fan but not reading is, to me, totally contradictory. Even modern systems like Mothership and Mythic Bastionland are too much, players just won't fucking read. I run an open-table game these days and I explain character creation on half a page in a shared google docs. It's crazy how many questions I still get about character creation because they just don't read the document I created for this explicit purpose.

I'm not like OP though, I still love this hobby. Many nerds are just selfish, lazy, retards.

lol he has nothing more important going on in his life than a dumb game for babies

>>96223618
>THEN FUCKING SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES AND DON'T FOCE ME TO GUESS. SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES.
In my country mother fuckers are allergic to propose a date.
I do not think I hate the hobby, but the entire thing has became too popular for its own good.
Back then we had to almost buy warhammer models as contraband in order to get an army or buy metal copies made in argentina that would melt if left under the sun for too long.
And as you say game is easy as fuck to get into and mother fuckers can't bother to read the rules. One thing is not understanding them because English is your second language and GW rules are written by retards, but twats show up to game and didn't even read their rules. Then proceed to show me some random youtube video about a battle report that got the rules wrong as proof. Mind you this are the same guys that insist of playing this retard tournament format.

>>96211133 (OP)
>getting backstabbed, betrayed an alienation
>it's a gas which it does
>no matter what I do or why try
>nor can never
>this entire franchise just one big fucking cannibalistic crap bucket
>beast on the scorch remains
>fagit
On top of your utter lack of comma I'll diagnose you with either ESL (in which case you're doing good but need to read more), or borderline retard if not.

suggesting a date implies you're sufficiently un-busy as to have an opening in your schedule where you have nothing going on. you will NEVER catch me admitting to such a thing. you will ask if I'm free, and I will tell you no but I might be able to work around my schedule, so that I continue to appear as if I'm busy and successful, while still being able to attend your game. thus, we both get what we want.

Diverts money away from my other hobbies. But i cant do most of those since I broke my arm anyway.

>>96211133 (OP)
If you have a bad time in every game and group, it's not the games or groups that are the problem.

Skip dnd for a bit and find a therapist, you sound miserable.

>>96211139
Covid was the best to to happen to traditional games, it woke up a juggernaut and then it promptly went back to sleep when the pandemic ended not with a bang but a whimper. Now no one has free time because they're all so eager to keep busy out of the house, to make up time that was "lost" during covid. What they didn't realize then was that they had found freetime for hobbies, not lost it.

>>96211133 (OP)
The discourse around games is really stupid and I hate it.

>>96211139
brother, play online. its going to suck for a bit until you find your crew but itll be worth eventually.

>>96223618
>SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES. Goddamn.
Players who respond to everything with "I dunno" or "whatever is fine" invariably end up being the worst offenders. They'll flake all the time, and when they don't, they'll sit at the table completely disengaged and acting like they don't know what they're supposed to do or how to play the game, and it's YOUR FAULT for not doing more to make them play the game in a better way.

I truly don't fucking understand it. Do they not think about the hobby at all? Does being at the table and hearing the game happening not spark a single fucking thought in their mind? Why don't they ever just ask some fucking questions to get invested? They just say they want to play, but when it's time to play, they don't want to do anything!

>>96221044

>It's a 1.5 mil urban agglomeration

The size of a city doesn't always correlate to lots of gamers. I've been in mid-sized rustbelt cities with tons of games going on but I've also experienced a gaming drought in a much larger city where I went to college.

I have a theory that if there's too much to do and good weather fewer people will want to invest time to do RPGs. EG that it's not a coincidence DnD came out of Wisconsin and not California or something.

The RoI when it comes to effort is absurdly low compared to almost anything else. I should just care less, run games with less effort and everyone would still have fun but I like putting in the work.

>>96227631
>The RoI when it comes to effort is absurdly low compared to almost anything else.
Lol. You just hit something in my soul. When I ran Masks of Nyarlathotep for Call of Cthulhu, the amount of research I did for the sake of verisimilitude was unreal. I had to learn the histories, geographies, and cultures for America, England, Peru, China, Kenya, Japan, Australia, and Egypt. I had to learn the specific layouts of certain cities and what the political landscape was like in those cities in the 1920s. I had to integrate that real-life information with the campaign in a compelling way, and that's in addition to the campaign books which are also (literally) 666 pages, and another 600ish pages for the Companion book.

I enjoy the prep and the whole thing was incredibly awesome, but the effort level is actually unbelievable, especially compared to my players whose only job is to show up with a character and apparently constantly forget the combat and sanity rules.

Of course the campaign was partly fun because of my players and their proactive shenanigans and their immersion, but the campaign was primarily fun because of my effort, my time investment, my actual investment in those expensive books, my research, and so on. It's no wonder that some GMs develop an ego; doing this shit, and doing it properly, takes real, actual work.

>>96223618

I'm always shocked by how lazy playoids are. I know dudes with college degrees content to be a delivery guy or security guard.

They do quirky free spirit behavior that normally only pretty young women are allowed to get away with. EG that game where they want reminders to do things but if you remind them too hard/often they rebel and flake. And it's just not cool/quirky anymore if you're 30 and randomly sleep until noon or go incommunicado for a month.

The lack of research is insane to me too. Especially in 2025. You could pull up a free quickstart rules PDF during a bus ride or put on a lore video while you do your dishes. (Though I suppose this may have to do with smartphone brain. When I was first gaming in the 00's I felt like it was the opposite problem. Players would buy/pirate every imaginable splatbook and want to use some pretty insane combos and obscure factions even if you just wanted a basic campaign.)

>>96211339
>>96211342
ggg go back (back)back)

>>96211335
The other day I read that the owner ot enworld still uses the comments to shit on modern rpg and secretly felate D&D (that's basically all he posts) and I had a laugh thinking about how the internet used to run. As nice as another place to speak on hobbies would be Im glad we don't have to deal with that shit here it's just you faggots whining ahout whatever that I can block. Hiroshimoot doesn't literally walk in to circlejerk back when things used to be good with Sword World and original Duel Masters and it's good that way.

>>96212675
It will never not be funny to see satanists commies play a christian hobby

I sometimes get frustrated when I have some players who want more interactivity or drama style telling vs others who want more of a traditional old school game. I also have some players who get frustrated and shut down if their is any intrigue, mystery, or puzzle that they can;'t solve immediately. They make no suggestions and get pissed if they encounter anything. I did the most basic thing of someone being protected behind a shield, and they would need to figure out a way to shut it down. The dude shuts down and complains about how is he supposed to find it or what he is supposed to do without any suggestions given. Same dude will also want to dm, sometimes even interrupting other games, just to then cancel it and stop doing it whenever he realized the work involved. He get's mad if people ask if the next game will be the same.

To top it off, sometimes i can not whip out my mat for combat because of how small a table is, so theater of the mind shit is common at times.

>>96228197
>To top it off, sometimes i can not whip out my mat for combat because of how small a table is
I assume it's because the room where you play is small, but regardless: a folding table almost costs less than a case of beer where I am. I got one that I whip out for game days and it's been a game changer. Pretty easy to store too since, well, it's a fuckin' folding table.

>>96228251
At my house, I can fit or use the folding table. At a friend's', that is another story. There is also The issue that my mat is huge and is kind of a pain to fit even on a folding table if I have all my books, notes, and materials there, so I kind of have to set it up right to get it working.

>>96228281
I see. I also have a big mat, but I bought one of the smaller ones instead. The big ones are unnecessary imo

>>96211133 (OP)
I hate that liberal horseshit is so prevalent in this hobby that it's often treated like some kind of "of course this is right, what's wring with you" default, and something as simple as not sharing the same opinions as the most vocal libshit retard can be enough to make you the bad guy. And the little shits are too stupid to realize what that kind of thinking makes them.

I love games that challenge you to think, but I hate other gamers. From the first moment I cracked a ruleset, all I could think was, “This game would be great if it wasn’t for the fucking DM and the other players”. You guys are all right, I just can’t stand it when you open your fool mouth during the game I’m trying to play. It drives me right up the fucking wall

Same to you, dumbfuck.

>>96211133 (OP)
i dislike how difficult it is to find players that read the rules and are interested in things other than dnd 5e

>>96212675
I'm leftist as fuck and the majority of the shit I hear on here, I've almost never seen from actual leftists I know.
I just accept they're all going through some psychosis, and questioning them will be like asking the babbling schizo on the sidewalk for sources on why he's the reincarnation of Jesus or something.

>>96211133 (OP)
I hate these hobbies because it's filled with a bunch of loser faggots or old married men. I've lost my friends to /tg/ and /v/ because they've lost their desire to live in the real world choosing instead to retreat into these fantasy worlds like BTLs in Shadowrun. There has always been weirdos but now it's worse.

I hate 40K because it's ate this place alive and has become a homogenous shitty meta gamed blob lacking innovation and skill. Mods should cull the catalogue.

I hate GMing because all my players were psychopaths incapable of looking at what they did and incapable or thinking of the consequences of their actions. Robbing a man and killing him in broad daylight in the middle of a city street twice then getting mad something was done about it type of shit.

I hate tcg because the prices of cards are insane compared to what they really are and the losers who play will in fact pay the silly prices. They have terrible hygiene and no sense of humor.

All the while they all bitch about being single and alone.

I hate how such a social hobby attracts unsocial people.
>Went to a local board game meet up a few times.
>Expected a ready made group experience.
>200+ members online, like 20-30 people would show.
>No one was really organising it.
>We would play a social deduction game to break the ice.
>Anyone who talked or tried to foster an actual game was voted out first, regardless of if they were actually suspicious.
>After that, what you played came down to where you were sat, one week I played Captain Sonar and had loads of fun, the next week I got stuck playing some Kickstarter game.
>Tried organising stuff but no one would get back to me or communicate.
>Organising these people would require far too much effort.

I went to my friendly LGS a bunch too:
>Taking pity and playing with the guy with huge all-in Kickstarter game that he steadily realised was unplayable shit.
>That guy desperate to get a game played but hadn't read the rules leading to a slog as he thumbed through the book.
>That guy constantly talking online metas and not his local groups dynamics.
>Sore losers, bad communicators, extreme spergs or immature people in general.
One thing that really bugged me was everyone was so conflict adverse and bitched about "that guy". But when I pushed back politely against "that guy" and stood up to him a bit, people got upset at me for disturbing the peace, even though it was clearly his fault. A weird paradox where conflict adverse people would choose conflict but only against you and get mad at you even though they knew you were in the right.

>>96232398
>A weird paradox where conflict adverse people would choose conflict but only against you and get mad at you even though they knew you were in the right.
Reminda me of those random euro videos of a stabbing. People try to stop the stabber and out the blue a woman shows up and try to protect the stabber from the beating

>>96227562
Different anon, but are you seriously trying to make the following argument:
>In a large urban areas, during good weather, there are more places to hang out OUTSIDE than there are in a smaller town or rural area
Because if so, you are beyond retarded.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the size of the city or town is meaningless (had the best group when living in rural backwater, where the largest settlement had 561 inhabitants, and struggled to find a group at all in a city of 72k), but the co-relation you are trying to make is simply pants on head retarded.
The actual reason why anon is struggling with finding the group are (in no particular order)
>He's older than the default demographics
This is no joke. TTRPGs are primarily played by high-schoolers and college kid. If you are still in the hobby past the age of 25, you are an outliner, not the norm. If you are there past the age of 35, you are some mystical forest creature
>He is looking in all the wrong places using all the wrong tools
Chances are, a large city or even mid-sized town has some sort of club(s) and gaming bars, not to mention LGS (yes, I know that LGS-based group is pure desperation, that's beyond the point). A large urban area is going to have those in each of the cities in the area. Problem is, those places usually advertise through social media, and judging anon by age, there is a solid chance he's not using those. And not using those is a great way to instantly skip 80-90% of local gaming scene.
>He's probably looking for a specific game(s), rather than simply a group
Even ignoring above, chances are, there are some open ads for whatever game(s) are popular in the area. Anon won't go there, because that's beyond his sphere of interest, rather than realizing he can talk with those people to try something else.

And finally: never met a library where there were no gaming events, even if once per year's quarter. That means contacts with people that show up and/or organize those

>>96211133 (OP)
I hate it whenever I end up with someone who doesn't value my time, be it GM or player. Showing up very late, unable to keep schedule, unable to participate, and as a GM, half-assing everything and clearly not even wanting to run, but not stating it aloud. The end result is always the same - I just wasted my entire afternoon and evening on a really shitty experience, because someone else has no idea how valuable and rare those continuous 6 hours of free time are to me. If you don't want to play, don't show up, rather than coming up late or be disruptive and clearly bored. If you don't want to run, fucking say so, rather than trying to force the group to abandon you or at least your group. I have exactly one day in a week when I have so much time to spend on fun and entertainment in a single go. If I'm getting a shitty game session out of it (doesn't matter which side of the table I am) because someone else doesn't care, I might as well stay home and read a book or paint minis.

>>96211144
Truth.
God bless their dark souls, my friend.

>>96212675
I have two guys with whom I regularly play. Both pretty far left. They are mostly decent while actually playing but I literally can't meet up with them without them having to mention Trump/Trump supporters at least once per session and it's driving me crazy having to listen to it every time. I don't care that they hate Trump, but if they'd just go
>I hate Trump
>I concur
>Good, then we're all agreed
and then not mention it every time I would be 100% fine with that, but nooooo I have to keep listening to them reaffirm their hate boners.

>>96223618
>The other thing is laziness. It's really quite astonishing to me how people can claim to be fans of the hobby, yet the idea of reading a rulebook (or anything, really) doesn't even occur to them. I've found that many people want to show up and be entertained, but putting in any effort is impossible, apparently. Being a /tg/ fan but not reading is, to me, totally contradictory. Even modern systems like Mothership and Mythic Bastionland are too much, players just won't fucking read.
People have no attention span nowadays. I know people who used to be avid book readers, but are now to lazy to even read a short rulebook to a board game.
Speaking of board games: I'm flabbergasted by how often I see people on places like BGG complain about how a game is badly designed/a slog/gatekeeping etc because you have to read the full rule book before playing (instead of the modern kind of "tutorial" rulebook that some games have), and they're usually not even big! Recent example: Star Trek: Captain's Chair. The rulebook is 20 pages of rules, two colums, and people are moaning about that. Small wonder people can't be bothered to even read some parts of the rulebook of a TTRPG

>>96234128
>TTRPGs are primarily played by high-schoolers and college kid. [...] If you are there past the age of 35, you are some mystical forest creature

This has not been my experience at all.

>>96212424
From the top of my head, reasons why I don't play with my friends (and this is a superior choice, btw)
>We like different games
>Some of them don't like RPGs at all
>One of them is an aspie that can't grasp the concept of the game of pretend
>ZERO drama that can only happen between friends
>Can meet more than just the same 6 people non-stop for the past 30 years
>Can try out things that would never fly with my friends due to different tastes
I know those people, I've played with them all, I would like to never play with any of them again, despite still being best pals with all of them.
You would know that, if you were playing with an actual pack of friends and did so for more than a decade.

>>96211133 (OP)
In your opinion op what should I be like and do that would separate me from the rest of those kinds of players you intensely dislike so preferably I could be a better person to game with?

>>96235900
Also NTA, but it is my experience for past 8 years. Ever since my long-lasting post-uni group fell apart, I just keep getting older and any potential new groups I keep finding are consistently below 35 with a single exception, and on average, barely 25.
The six groups I've been playing with between 2017 and now:
20, 21, 21, 24 and me
19, 24, 26, 31 and me
22, 24, 33 and me
19, 22, 23, 28 and me
16*, 23, 27, 41* and me
27, 28, 28 and me
* kid and her mom surprisingly good players, but it was an awkward start
I'm 47. I'm in this hobby longer than my current players are alive. And I'm not complaining at all, it's still fun to play, I get over the fact people address me with "Mister". Running however starts to be a struggle, since my frame of reference is completely off due to generational changes. Recently met a kid on a one-shot I run in library that had to google Matrix. I felt as if I was not 47 but 77.
The only people roughly my age that play in the entire city (810k citizens) are four guys in their late 40s that only play with each other (I don't blame them, I wish I could have a group that goes back to my teens).
That makes the five dinosaurs like us, then there is a handful or two of people in their 30s and early 40s, and then there are just uni kids and people that graduated recently. Plus, of course, teens. I'd go even further than the original anon and claim that 30 is the cut-off age. Anything above is already a rarity, and by 35,

>>96235825
>>I hate Trump
>>I concur
>>Good, then we're all agreed
My group does say this and look like this.

>>96236663
>Recently met a kid on a one-shot I run in library that had to google Matrix
good god. We need to herd these kids into reeducation camps
I'm 57. My local Discord groups and meetups have been a refreshing door to finding games, but these clubs seem to be made up of ...I don't know what to call these people. The kind who have to google "The Matrix", I guess. They're fruity. They emote and make anime references. They don't laugh at actual humor, but find dad jokes and puns to be irresistible. They're not cool.
They take pride in their snap-together dice trays and dice towers, but then game with mini poker chips on a map drawn on paper. I rolled out a prepared battlemat and set up a few dungeon tiles and they were in awe.
They're quiet too. They don't want to speak up or use their imaginations. A lot of these guys don't want to roleplay their characters. Their girlfriends are much more outspoken and expressive.
>guy playing a cleric
>wants to turn undead
>waves his hands a little
"Wait. Are you turning undead? Do it again."
>waves his hands a little
"Who are you a cleric of again? Let's see you turn undead."
>waves his hands again.
>I shake my head and let him roll.

>>96234128
>lives outside of town that's only two square miles
>Is 35 years old
>Lives in the deep south
>Have all the signs and symptoms of extreme severe social isolation and alienation aka the childhood of solitary confinement
>Didn't have an interest in social media until years after high School and still doesn't know how to use Twitter let alone Facebook

I am beyond fucked.

>>96235855
So much for no child Left behind.
Hooked on phonics should be making a fucking killing by now.
I agree there is a lot of lazy people even when it comes to reading. Even I want to read more but I just want to get into a comfortable position and then I have to force myself into the right mindset. I have the combination of both ADHD/ADD and autistic at the same time.
Let me get comfortable and let me get focus and I would be reading all day long.

>>96211133 (OP)
>everyone but me is the problem
What's it like being an absolute faggot?

Why is everyone on a popular discord group all "Thank you so very much!"
"That's really helpful!"
"Great! Thanks!"
I mean, the exclamation mark is in every sentence. These people can't talk out loud in person, but get them on chat and they become exuberantly nice to each other, even if they are showing off some stick-figure drawing that isn't very good.
Shadowdark discord is like this. These people slap each other on the back night and day, but don't actually talk about anything.

>>96237088
I hate that shit. Empty, meaningless small talk is irritating. People talking just to hear the sound of their own voices or texting for attention and dopamine hits. It's beyond subhuman.

>>96236991
I can't blame them for using tokens per say they are pretty universal and inexpensive to use.
But on the other hand just how splat books and supplement books are for the most part geared towards the player so is the gaming equipment as well. Hell even some handmade dungeon tiles made out of scraps would probably make them jizz themself out of excitement.
https://youtu.be/jN3WaUmitDE?si=z5leCwUq1-KaBafx
https://youtu.be/95WwX3PYDqI?si=Fv_pbc0JHJg6SZgT

Hell I would be satisfied with some second hand paint it building blocks. Heck one and blocks in certain dimensions are easily attainable.
But if you are lucky enough to be skilled a little bit of woodworking experience imagine of all the parts you can make and build.
https://youtu.be/fQ-ccPthhDY?si=Z1ZAn1vwQq1fG97K

>>96237176
Interacting with people just to interact with people is actually just human, though. It's kind of sad that online interaction is the best thing some people got, but the need for social interaction itself is just a basic and fundamental part of normal human psychological makeup.

>>96234060
When I was a young man I saw a woman being attacked by a guy outside a pub and rushed to help her. As I got him off her she started slapping me telling me to get off her boyfriend. The boyfriend who had just been beating on her. People have some abusive Stockholm syndrome shit when it comes to this stuff.

>>96237223
I'm starting to see the sort of forcing humans not to act like humans in society.
I seen it during the pandemic when people were making fun of other people wanting social interaction. You can see it nowadays when people tell men not to ask from help. Except that's the first instinct humans learn when we are born. To cry out and ask for help.
An entire society trying to make us go against our very nature of primates together strong.

>>96237223
Speak for yourself, normiescum.

>>96237263
Most women deserve to be beat, enjoy being beat on some primal level, and literally beg to be beat. Many even admit to having fantasies about being beaten, raped, and degraded.

How are you so fucking oblivious to these verifiable facts?

Personally, I hate women who are like that, but it truly is how most women are and it disgusts me.

>>96237263
lmao white knight beta faggot cuck

>>96237263
>>96237590
Ignore him. He wasn't around back then.

>>96237576
>t. faggot without facts or brains.
>>96237590
Yes, you are retarded like all faggots who cry about "white knights"

I love this hobby.

I look forward to every session I have with my friend and our buddies because I enjoy hanging out with them, and I love my friends.
I enjoy playing with people I don't know because while there may be tensions at first, it's good to be challenged and encounter new thoughts and modes of play.
I like trying new systems but I'm also okay with going back to an old favorite.
I don't mind new ideas because they can lead to positive changes, nor do I mind old ideas because they survived the test of time for a reason.
RPGs give me surface-level knowledge about a wide variety of topics and some of the stuff that interested me, I went into a deep dive on.
It also pushed me in a new direction in my career, got me to write my first book, and expanded my skillset (mathematical modeling, statistics, writing, time management, people management, communication - just to name a few).
It made me a happier man.

I love this hobby, I love RPGs, and I enjoy every second of it, even the stuff that was bad at the time, it was actually good or useful in retrospect.

>>96236663
>had to google Matrix
My god, I think at that point I'd just order my coffin right then and there.

>>96211133 (OP)
Your post reeks of being a thirdie.
All problems you have with tabletop are self-caused and self-enforced.
To not be able to find a group you must have either:
1. Retarded standards
2. Zero likable qualities

This is one of the lowest entry requirement hobbies on the face of the earth. All you need is an internet connection and a functioning brain. Can't get anyone to play it? Find them. There are hundreds of thousands of players with no GM. There are GMs constantly looking for players.
>B-b-but none of them want to play my super niche crap :(
Some of them do, but you either reek of red flags and put them off it, or you haven't found them yet. If you're too autistic or going for something too niche, all you can do is try cultivating a group of your own by accepting shit that doesn't meet your undeservedly high standards.
If you can't? Then you're like a fat, dumb, broke piece of shit who hasn't showered in 2 weeks who won't accept anything but a 10/10 live-in gf that will wait on you hand and foot: You're going to die alone.

>>96221044
>Too dysfunctional to have a group
>"B-but I want to play, not run!"
Sucks to suck.

>>96227744
I think it's incredibly easy but I guess I have the experience to know what efforts will be wasted and what aren't. It also depends on the game, of course.

>>96237268
>Except that's the first instinct humans learn when we are born. To cry out and ask for help.
We also have an instinct to kill babies that aren't part of our tribe.

>>96211133 (OP)
40k is dogshit because it's a pit that draws socially awkward malcontents. This includes narcissists, autists and abject sociopaths who try to milk some sense of satisfaction from manipulating other people.

I went to /40kg/ after taking a long break, hoping to learn about new announcements, and the first thing I saw was a bunch anons trying to bully one guy because they refused to put pictures of his models on a .png of a refrigerator. It was the most petty shit in the world, because anybody could just saved the fucking picture, put whatever they wanted into it, then reposted it. He could've rearranged the photographs into a shape of a dick and nobody would've been able to stop him.

Also, every time I come here to discuss the 40k setting, other anons will gaslight about easily verifiable information, like the existence of female custodes. These retards have a political bent and it's insufferable.

>>96239364
>Filtered by 40k
>Bullied out of the 40k general
Life must be terrible to one so frail.

>>96239364
I was going to consider the contents of your post but then I saw you posted a vtrooner and reflexively decided anything you post must be wrong and queer. Sorry.

>>96239364
How do you bully an anonymous person anyway?

>>96239442
The general is full of socially awkward nerds looking for validation from their peers. That's what the entire fridge thing is about; it's a tool to create a clique and shame anybody that doesn't fit the culture of the general threads.

Nobody sane would want to post pictures of their models regardless, because those faggots try to dox anybody and everybody who does so.

>>96239489
>Peers
>Clique
Do you understand anonymity, retard?
>They'll dox you
If you're retarded that could happen, but I've never seen it, and everytime any miniatures gaming general floats to the top of the catalogue it has people posting pictures of their models.

>>96239515
>Do you understand anonymity, retard?
Are you kidding?
Do you know why board culture exists? Why generals exist? Why tripfags used to exist? Why losers here make accusations of samefaggotry as a way to shit on users they suspect of being the same person?
You're a retard for assuming that egos don't exist on 4chan.

>>96211133 (OP)
craptical role and it's copycats making stupid idiots be heckin 'funny' quirkchunguses who make a 10 minute thing last 3 hours because they try to 'roleplay'

>>96239552
This isn't an exaggeration either my last group spent 80% of a session in the same area because people just freaking love to go 'umm umm roleplay ugh roleplay hang on i need to think!!... ummm.... my character gets bored and runs away!!' or other stupid timewasting shit like that to be 'funny'
Another thing I fucking hate to death is people who think 'doing a voice' (especially one that's hard to understand) is the funniest shit ever, double-bad if they love listening to their shitty voice they made and start cutting people off

>>96239548
>Do you know why board culture exists? Why generals exist?
Anon, we have collective interests. These things exist because of individuals who are conglomerating here because a board or thread is for those things. This does not mean you are individually identifiable and can have a "clique" or "peers". You are one faceless poster in a sea of faceless posters, unless
>Tripfag
You do this, which is voluntary and at best looked down upon. That or you're so extraordinarily autistic that you make yourself identifiable in some other way.
>Why losers here make accusations of samefaggotry as a way to shit on users they suspect of being the same person?
This accusation existing proves exactly my point. It only works if the retard you're arguing with is a samefag and feels called out. Otherwise you just make two people think your post is stupid.
>You're a retard for assuming that egos don't exist on 4chan.
You're a retard and a faggot for putting words in my mouth.
You're also a thin skinned troglodyte who is so pathetic he got bullied out of a general for being too lame and gay for one of the most inoffensive and boring albeit popular games alive.

>>96239364
I've seen alot of faggot shit on this website but literal highschool girl level gossiping about a general is a new one for me. Were the 40kiddies mean to you pwincess?

I hate that I'm just shit at it all.
More war games than RPGs, but I can't paint for shit. I can never remember anything beyond basic rules, try as I might (and sometimes fuck those up, to where I'm worried people think I'm trying to cheat). I never manage to kill much, while regularly getting nearly wiped out.

I keep coming back, but God, I'm fucking awful at every aspect of the hobby and I hate it and myself.

>>96239489
>Nobody sane would want to post pictures of their models regardless, because those faggots try to dox anybody and everybody who does so.
You're a fucking loon you can't dox someone with a picture of some minis.

>>96239639
>I can never remember anything beyond basic rules
Why? Do you not give a shit?

>>96239347
We do not, in fact, have such an instinct. I mean, humans can do and have done all kins of fucked up shit to people not of their tribe, and being wary of strangers is instinctual, but there is no foreigner-killing instinct. It's not inherently human the way looking for social connection and crying out for help when needed are.

>>96239641
All you need to do is reverse image search a picture, because most anons here are retarded enough to post the same image across multiple social media accounts tied to their names.

Regardless, I stopped coming here because /40kg/ is filled with retards that keep shitting up discussions about 40k with board culture wars, as evidenced by the fact that they keep accusing random anons of being a guy who owns a nazi Space Wolf collection. Discord retards deserve to be hunted for sport.

>>96239651
>We do not
Yes we do. Many people (especially males) have an irrepressible anger response to the sounds of a crying or screaming baby that isn't their own.
Many animals have similar instincts for infanticide. Chimpanzees will murder babies that aren't their own, for example, and so will gorillas. Even in species where infanticide itself is largely, absent they'll kill their young if they're separated and past a certain point of maturity, but haven't yet reached full maturity.
The difference in whether they will and whether we will largely depends on socialization, and that's it. Your instincts don't mean shit in the face of socialization, and shouldn't either because your instincts are usually retarded and bad.

>>96239657
>Still no examples
Incredible.
>Regardless, I stopped coming here
We wish you really did, but evidently you haven't.

>>96211313
Show me a functional group of GURPS players who lack crippling autism, lolicons, or furries.
I'll wait.

>>96239560
>Anon, we have collective interests.
Yeah, that's literally what a clique is. Retard.
>bullied out of a general
You're not being offensive, you stupid fucking faggot, you're being an obnoxious shitposter.
I used to come here to talk about science fiction. Now all I see when I enter 40kg is a bunch of bickering faggots trying to do purity spiral bullshit in a discussion about a hobby that most of them don't play because they hate the game.
I took a six month break from /tg/ and when I came back the general was filled with the same faggots seething about some guy with nazis spacewolves on 4chan of all places.
At least tripfags like SoS were funny, now all we get is discord troons shitting up the board.

>>96239673
>We
I don't care what your discord thinks. You're still retarded.

>>96239707
>Yeah, that's literally what a clique is
No, it isn't. A clique is by definition:
>a small group of people, with shared interests or other features in common, who spend time together and do not readily allow others to join them.
We by definition can't be a clique because anybody can join.
>You're not being offensive, you stupid fucking faggot, you're being an obnoxious shitposter.
I don't recall claiming I was being offensive, but clearly I have been to you lol.
>I used to come here to talk about science fiction
And you entered a thread not about that because...?
>This thread called me retarded, LET ME MAKE SHIT UP ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'M MAD!
Anon.
Get a grip.
>At least tripfags
Ahhh, defending tripfagging. I'm starting to think you're less and less just a retarded normie who wandered onto here and got told to fuck off and couldn't handle it, but a tripfag.
>Everyone is using discord!!!!
Didn't you just get buttblasted over accusations of samefaggotry? How is this shit any different?

>>96239715
>Muh discordtroons
I think troons should all kill themselves and you should join them nigger.

>>96211133 (OP)
I hate these things when it comes to the hobby.
First off, we let it get taken over by tourists and the theater queers/kids. This killed any progress that the game would have trying to please people who just want "stand in the limelight" and live out their dream of being the main character.

Second, like everything else that got big to the point where it got "centralized" and all. We had Karens force themselves in the companies and now just ruin it cause they think it's fun and trying to make it some gay play pretend game like would prefer it or think it is.

And third is the people that built this hobby. Bent over and took it up the ass when they got invaded and let them basically rape and wipe the culture into some gay rainbow bullshit where races are just humans with special pointless feature like long ears for elves. Being short with a beard if a drawf, or the furry races being just fucking furrys.

>>96239647
Because I'm retarded and don't play often enough.
I wouldn't mind playing more, but it takes all my social juice to do it, and my mood crashes as I second guess everything I did afterwards, so playing more just leaves me drained, too.

>>96240145
Just run a few games against yourself to get the rules down then.
Nobody cares about rule hiccups btw, you're playing a game that exists mostly to show off your minis and create silly little stories and memories when the dice do improbable things.

>>96236991
>Misses the point entirely
>To do fake boomer rage
You aren't even 30.
And God help you if you are, yet act like this

>>96232398
>One thing that really bugged me was everyone was so conflict adverse and bitched about "that guy". But when I pushed back politely against "that guy" and stood up to him a bit, people got upset at me for disturbing the peace, even though it was clearly his fault. A weird paradox where conflict adverse people would choose conflict but only against you and get mad at you even though they knew you were in the right.
I've even had this happen in-game. The DM got mad at me because my character was willing to confront NPCs rather than tolerate their shit. Mind you, these NPCs were either lawful stupid to an extreme (they'd follow procedure but not even know what the procedure is) or racists who would force freakshit PCs to the back of the line. The DM told me that my character was a problem because he wouldn't de-escalate/back down.

>>96232398
>I went to spots where absolute dredges and rejects nobody wants hang out
>Why they were so shit?
No idea, anon. Not a clue

>>96240077
By far and away the worst people in this hobby are rude autistic cunts who try to rip you off, of which there are many. The personality type that takes, and takes, and takes, and takes. The people with no self awareness or manners.

It's a fun thing to enjoy with likeminded people. Why the fuck does it have to be such a huge issue to form a group who likes playing games with each other? It's infuriating. Searching for them and trying them out is a chore and not a fun way to spend one's free time, and it's so much worse when it doesn't net any results.

To get to the treasure, I need to wade through a pit of thorny, twisted vines. But no one told me that none of the vines will help me actually get out of the pit.

>>96240848

It's because you're trying to find people who aren't flaky normies who will bail on you to watch Netflix but aren't grotesque neckbeards either.

The ideal people to TTRPG with are lovable misfits who have social skills but still love nerd stuff and have more free time than average. My favorite gamers are all like this: a community college professor, a trust fund dude, a woman on disability who couldn't have kids, etc.

And then you realize how complicated it can be when you need to exclude certain people. A cool person might have a lame partner who invites themselves and ruins the game. I know I recently invited two people from work I liked to a one-shot and a third guy's feelings were hurt when the game came up at work. It's really overwhelming when the pendulum shifts and you go from NoGames to having to make a manageable group out of 8 people who want to play.

>>96242072
AI post https://desuarchive.org/tg/search/text/community%20college%20professor%20trust%20fund%20disability/

>>96239364
In my unfortunately lengthy experience on /tg/, I can safely say that 40k niggers are some of the most obnoxious faggots on the internet and they are so deep in that they don't even realize that they're effectively the bronies of the /tg/ hobby space, and have been since before MLP blew up on 4chan.

MtG players are close second. Any hobby that prides itself on money spent and good paypig behavior is going to be filled with people who will drag that hobby into the pits of hell. They're like funkopop collectors, but worse, because they assigned so many additional layers of value and important to their plastic and cardboard collections.

>>96212675
>>96216284
Also commie leftist here, and the most "woke" thing my group has ever done was before a campaign my DM presented in Session 0 had us agree to a series of horrific things such as slavery, rape, and references to torture. It took 10 seconds and we all were fine with it.

The campaign was centered around a Lich Queen that raped and enslaved an entire population and made the entire ruling class her eunuchs. The more she raped the more powerful she became, so one of her legendary actions was to rape a player to regain HP and charm check. She was not a gentle or caring rapist. Great game, only 2 of our players (cis het woman, trans pan man) got raped.

>>96240077
Why are you using plural form when talking about yourself?
Are you schizoid?

>>96242360
Most of the bitching about session zero I've heard from /tg/ comes from obvious nogames faggots who take issue with the word "session" being used at all, because they're such braindead autists that they can't understand rhetorical phrases, not that they understand RPGs in general, to begin with.

>>96244115
This place is full of the most densest retards for some reason, like everything is literal to them

>no u will love my constantly meta-joking, pop reference, meme humor character! It's totally appropriate for this long term campaign.
I hate you niggers, and I can always tell my hate is justified, because when you play a classic character, but I make jokes like
>Aragorn did this shit better, you're a retarded knockoff
>ohh, that bad guy is important to you? HE NEEDS SOME MILK x10!
>my bard farts Sabrina's Carpenter Juno song, let me roll performance!
You fagboys who were initially all about meme humor xD get really fucking mad, often to the point of not even roleplaying just telling me how I should play my character.
Go die in a hole, bitch

>>96236507
Honestly I don't even know anymore. My perspective and understanding of people and relationship is so screwed up that I've resolved myself saying "I don't know" when it comes to social interactions.
If you want a better picture of me. Think of those exotic pets and animals born and raised in captivity thrown out into the wild when they became fully grown. Most of their life experience being inside of an isolated caged enclosure barely ever reacting with anyone with their own age let alone of their own kind.

>>96244478
Number of months ago, we had multiple threads full of people who demonstrated literal clinical retardation issues when it came to understanding conditional hypotheticals. When told directly that their retarded reactions to such questions were a thing that could allow people to judge their intellect and behavior, they continued to not understand and get more angry that people were insisting that reactions to imaginary situations were a legitimate way to tell anything about a potential player.

>>96244478
Tabletop games are the ideal way to force people to put up with your presence.

>>96244630
Their humor is good and yours is bad, and you're the least popular person at the table. Learn to take a hint.

>>96244630
you make the things they like not funny, that's a you problem. Learn to read the room if you want them to laugh at your jokes.

Nerdy people often seem to be in denial about being nerds and seek to backstab one another in order to ascend to normalfaghood.

>>96216575
I think I had my most stable group playing on wednesdays 8 to 11. Two of the players got there right after work if they had extra hours and we slowed down a bit in the middle while the house owner made some dreadful slop boilig 6-8 random cans of food he got from work (which we alll loved), but it was rare for someone to skip.

>>96221303
>I just want to play 40k 4th edition

The patrician choice.

>>96221044
I'm 35 and recently moved. The first week I asked some instagram pages that used to organize events and gave up, days later got a response and they hooked me up with a group for the next week. We've been playing for a few months now. I tried to check other scenes and I probably got lucky, this group in particular seems to be into starting new games and bringing new people and breaking down into subgroups with other people and so on. We're also in more or less the same age range, the yougest ones are in their early to mid 20's I think.
But I am putting the effort to keep in contact, talk with them before and after the session, making sure we play; without going all the way into making things about me and forcing them to acomodate me. I've been in groups where the final blow was a new player who wanted to run everything. You have to work the human interaction aspect of things because pure passion for the game isn't gonna keep things going.

>>96240471
Going places and trying is better than doing nothing.

>>96223618
I came to the thread thinking OP was a whinny bitch making a scene and wanted to see more absurd displays of petty impotent rage, but then
>if I suggest a date for our next session and you can't play that date THEN FUCKING SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES AND DON'T FOCE ME TO GUESS. SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES.
FUCK. Why do people do this? How do they expect the conversation to go? Why do you need to make others ask you when you can? Do you expect them to not ask and move on without you? I don't get it and it's so fucking common.

This hobby made me genuinely hate autistic people and the mentally ill. All these people impose on you.

>>96223618
>The biggest thing that grinds my gears are flakers. I often(!) organize games and the amount of last-minute cancellations I've experienced is wild.
I'm just an old fart because before mobile phones barely anyone would flake and if they did we might give them the benefit of the doubt once or twice but after that you just didn't bother. Nowadays people just urrm and ahh until literally the last moment but think because of instant messaging it's fine to be a cunt.

>>96245116
>>96245132
Oh did u say something nigger Go kill yourselves

mad as fuck lol

>>96223618
>The biggest thing that grinds my gears are flakers.
Yeah... it's a pervasive problem. I blame social media and cellphones. Instant gratification has made people insanely lazy and rude.
I make terrain from scratch, paint minatures and run the games for my group. It's sometimes like pulling teeth sometimes to get them to agree to a date.

>>96234128
>TTRPGs are primarily played by high-schoolers and college kid. If you are still in the hobby past the age of 25, you are an outliner, not the norm
that's just because the younger range has grown faster, that doesn't mean they'll stop playing when they get older or that there aren't more people in their 30's playing now than there were twenty years ago. I've had some people in their 30's trying a ttrpg for the first time at open tables.

Your other two points feel correct. But the previous anon's point wasn't that there were less places to hang out outside but that there are more activities. Getting into TTRPGs competes with music scenes or local theatre or art exhibits, things that share some aspects we like in the hobby but are more respectable and have better backing. If you don't have anything to do on a weekend you might listen to that friend that keeps bringing up his dragons game.

>>96236663
It depends a lot on weirdos who kept hooking randos one at a time for ages. When I was a teen I knew 3 people who played ttrpgs, never got invited but never pushed too much, I could play on forums at least. I came back to my home town, around the same population as your place, and now one dude I know is doing some open table space backed by the city council or some other borderline scam, a game store that rents spaces to run games and a couple groups that tried to do monthly events but burned out. They all know the same 3 groups I knew as a teen and each other. That's how the hobby grows without WotC or Twitch pushing it. One group at the time, one event at the time. It only makes sense that you'll have more younger people if it keeps slowly spreading from the older ones through time.

>>96236996
>So much for no child Left behind.
cutting teacher salaries if they don't let kids pass and then complaining teachers aren't properly testing them so they needed to cut their sallaries was a galaxy brain bush strat

>>96211133 (OP)
I miss when the biggest killer of a game was scheduling conflicts, at least back when this was niche and hard to find there was always a potential for a good game to exist. You're definitely right that modern D20 brainrot and appeal t the lowest common denominator has destroyed any hope of depth in a tabletop game.

That being said there are still comfy people out there and good games being run but they're just as hidden now as they ever were. But do yourself a favor OP: don't spend too much time and energy trying to find them. If you find one great, but searching for a needle in a haystack is gonna wear you down, and from the tone of your post it seems it always has. The truth of the matter is the industry has changed, and will likely run itself into the ground within the next 50 years out of sheer creative bankruptcy or more likely a new trend coming along. Normies will always invade comfy things, and giga-autists will always be an insufferable part of any hobby. Remember that the reason you do this is to have fun and if its taking this much of a toll on you for such diminishing returns then it may be best to take a break from tabletop gaming and try to find something else.

>>96227251
same shit happens online if you let it, it's not primarily a result of people just having super packed schedules its them being flaky and passive in planning.

>>96245398
It's typical austerity modus operandi

>>96240145
you should try to get some no stakes friendly matches.
In MMA they call it soft sparring, regularly stopping and going at half force, letting the other dude know if they're doing something wrong or asking them to repeat shit that got you all mixed up. It's a normal thing. Trying to only do 100% every time when you barely understand things is obviously gonna be a bitch.
And if you find someone that'll be fine going over things and trying stuff with you, then you practically made a friend.

>>96240145
That doesn't make any sense. You don't have to play at all to read and understand a rulebook.

>>96211139
I'm the one who calls off games half of the time. Sometimes I just have to work until very late and it isnt really predictable.

>>96211133 (OP)
>Not because it's a gas which it does.
huh?

>>96212675
For my part the only person that's ever tried to weasel in yapping about current political shit was most definitely a leftist. I made it quite firmly clear to him that we're here to escape and have fun, not cluck like hens about the news and politics.

But I also have gotta wonder for those of you who claim you only play with other leftists and liberals. Are you sure? Like the example above I have only ever seen the really left leaning people spill their spaghetti all over the place instead of just hiding their power level.

>>96246108
what do you mean by really left leaning?
Like, Democrat party fanboys following the current topic until it drops out to an obnoxious degree?
Because I know people who could argue for people who live off virtual wealth and eternal loans to be sent to state farms that make food for places in need instead of hiring a company to do that. And I know because they said it half jokingly and moved on. I have a libertarian friend and it's so painful how I hear him bring up dead memes, like saying the country is actually a republic so democracy isn't the mandatory rule or that he's a constitutionalist, I'm talking Obama era talking points. We're not even americans. But I just cringe a bit when I pick it up and move on.

You can't say you haven't seen people hiding their power level, that's the point. Obviously the obnoxious people will be dorks, otherwise they'd hide their power level. Just like people who bring up D&D out of nowhere.

>>96245749
I think they were phone posting and spell check immediately went from ass to gas.

>>96211139
I find most people like the idea of playing TTRPGs but loathe actually doing so. Fact is, most people are normies, and normies are rude nigs who refuse to commit to anything that doesn't fulfill their immediate dopamine needs.

>>96246738
This. And even when they do actually commit they either commit the bare minimum and are hardly active at all or what they do commit is so lackluster and dumbed-down that it feels more like you're playing daycare rather than a heroic adventure.

>>96246738
I want to know what's going through their heads. They agree to play. They show up. The GM starts talking and then looks to them and asks
>So what do you do?
And they just stare blankly. They weren't even on their phone. Then you give them a minute to think and they just go with the most obvious, boring, "I just do whatever you want me to do" kind of answer.

>>96250166
>I want to know what's going through their heads.
You're overcomplicating it. There isn't much going on at all. The idea of getting "in-character" for them is so far removed from their mindset that even when that's what the whole thing is about they stutter and pause. They might find the narration interesting, but they're often either intimidated by trying to branch out and don't want to look "cringy" or they're really just that uncreative an uninvested, yet they'll continue to show up every week.
Don't overthink what's going through their heads, you're literally thinking more about it then they are. It's literally that simple.

>>96211133 (OP)
>every time I play a game with a D20 in it it absolutely goes straight to shit.
Fucking sucks to be you, Mutant Chronicles is still one of the best wargames to have ever been committed to the page.

>>96250166
your game is boring trash hope this helps

>>96252237
Have you tried not playing 5E?

>>96252656
What?

>>96211139
Absolutely the biggest problem facing the hobby.

>Try to host a weekly /tg/ night
>Reconnect with old high school pal and invite him over
>He always ran a game and is a legitimately great DM
>Would create intricate & original storylines
>Start a 3.5 ED campaign
>Get through a few four hour sessions, things are getting more and more interesting
>One night he says he's going to be an hour late
>No problem stuff happens
>Get a text saying he's going to be two hours late
>Then three
>"Srry man can't make it"
>There's four other players so he's inconveniencing everyone
>Too late to start a EDH or 40K game so we play a round of UNO
>Could have just said he couldn't make it but whatever
>Week later
>Pulls the same shit
>Play more UNO
>Ask what's going on
>"Sorry man been going through some stuff"
>Is vague to the point where I'm wondering if he became an addict in the time since high school
>Stop inviting him
>Never hear from him again
>Whole thing burns everyone out from D&D
>Year later
>Finally run a game with people who can actually show up on a regular basis

>>96250166
This probably doesn't apply to your experience but I've been in that position.
The DM we had was very bad at responding to unexpected situations, if you didn't take a hook you had no reasson to take or maybe even notice he'd brick and insist in a way that made it personal more than narrative, like you were taking it to help him out more than it making any sense. A couple times he might have been having a hard time in his personal life or something but it went to heated arguments about playing right when someone wanted to do something very out of left field like making up am in character justification to go see some interesting stuff he described in the background. It could go to screaming and personal attacks if you insisted on something he didn't want, and some times it was a matter of guessing.
So the whole group eventually just took any hook, did anything that seemed like progression, didn't try anything. All very souless, sometimes saved because even a 5e module had more options.

We're still in touch, he isn't the worst dude, but it was a weird mix of power tripping and zero capacity to go with stuff. I sometimes notice that mindset of quietly trying to do what the GM wants after years of playing with other people.

>>96251333
Kinda this too
Some people enjoy being along for the ride and trying to change them makes it worse for them and everyone else who has to sit through a process no one asked for.

I think it's still nice to ask them after the session if they're enjoying it or if there's some issue that can be improved just in case.

>>96252243
If (You) can't engage with your GM and make the game more enjoyable for everyone else at the table, the game is boring because of (You). Putting all the responsibility on the GM is a thing that passive, brainless faggots do. Choosing not to have fun and then taking it out on everyone around (You) instead of stopping to ask what it is (You) even wanted from the game or why (You) even showed up in the first place.

>>96239364
shit b8 n ur oshi a shit

>>96253112
Nope your game sucks

>>96244929
No one takes my fucking twinkie, fuck you and your impossible forced scenario

>>96245262
The mentally ill are getting out of hand.
When a guy thought he was Marie Antoinette, we threw them in a psych ward till he no longer thought he was.
Now? we have to play along and if we question it we can lose our jobs. Da fuq?

>>96255232
The twinkie is already gone. Wat do?

>>96216360
>>96216602
You two should just kiss. I've played numerous adventure leagues and all kinds of shit. It's horeshoe theory. You faggots suck. I had trouble from a self proclaimed nat soc who was racist against every fantasy race. He was the only human and refused to go with the party anywhere and would just say "I'm roleplaying!" holding shit up and even trying to get the rest of the party enslaved and "sent across the sea to the lands of the Dark Sun"(he never played the setting but wanted to really bad). Then some leftist faggot who wanted to play a trans tabaxi hitting all the stereo types because I said the current government was an authoritarian fuedal state and they just had to dismantle every patriachy and/or fascist government. They were definitely doing it to annoy everyone because it was Trump's first term and one of our other players said "at least he ain't Hillary" before the lefty fag went from stereotypical rogue to hippy druid trans tabaxi who insisted on grooming itself every time they made camp pantomiming it at the table. We moved the session to my apartment and didn't invite them. The party then killed the furry fag character.

The far right is objectively correct about all things

>>96259883
Typically, yes, but once they notice that they get insufferable

No they don't

>>96259883
>>96260007
Said by people who are wrong and dumb.

>>96259883
Only because it's a death cult that will eventually kill itself, so in the long run, yes. But on a daily level, it's a sociopathic cult full of constant lies and hallucinations and backed by big amounts of money by smarter, more powerful, but equally evil people who will do the bugs and pods memes these guys think they're fighting against.

Nope you described the left lol

I love Peter Thiel and Epstein was innocent

Soros here, I really am responsible for demoralizing the west btw

Welcome to hell

>>96211133 (OP)
I love this hobby when I:
>buy some new minis
>learn about some cool historical period or new lore
>clean up and assembly done, finally paint them
>play some skirmish games with them on some battlemats and admire them on the shelf

Things I don't like:
>smelly gamers is almost like too soft a target, I would say the kind of blunt autist that makes you do all the work in an interaction, I don't understand the notion of doing a social activity and then being unpleasant for its own sake
>metas, games metas, model metas, industry metas and industry shoptalk, osr drama, blue hair drama, just people carrying on in such a way that it takes me away from doing my simple "make some warbands while watching a documentary about the Boxer Rebellion" lifestyle

The hobby itself is great and really very easy to slowly build on if you shut out negative voices, parasocial advertising, FOMO, engagement, clicks etc

As soon as I realised how much that shit was affecting my hobby I cut it all out. As a Person of Shed, my culture is NOT a costume.

And yes you're allowed some online indulgence but ration it and take note as to whether it might befiddling with your motivation.

Also stop treating projects like strategic bomber command. You can just paint 10 infantry and call it a good month. In a year that'll easily be 2 armies

>>96263303
>Person of Shed
Do I want to know?

>>96263387
I'm a man in a shed.
I possess no ringlights or GoPro.
Merely brushes and dice.
My subscribers are friends who come by for a cuppa.

>>96263480
Cool.

>>96255232
fuck, I didn't know what the other anon was saying and ignored it, but those fucking twinkie threads
>an NPC steals your twinkie scenario
>describe in detail how they'd torture that NPC for minutes after the crime of taking less than a dollar in treats
>"you sound like a psychom a whinner, and a fatso"
>get mad

>>96263303
> person of shed

Brotherly peoples! We are persons of basement over here in the US.

>>96260441
It described your face.

>>96260458
Awesome if Thiel, Kohch, Wilkes, and right wing think tanks all do it doever, I belong to them

Palantir is my savior

>>96263841
Only Rocky areas and Highlands can have proper basements. Entire coastlines for the most part due to flooding and swap lands. And even then you have to deal with a lot of mold and foundation problems.

>>96211133 (OP)
the fags took over

/thread.

>>96263504
Most of them didn't even get to the expected murderhobo solution to their problem. They got hung up on the idea that they are being asked to play a game but not being given control over their character in a fucking hypothetical scenario.

>>96267731
If they don't have control of their character, then they can't make decisions, and thus the hypothetical is pointless.

>>96267777
Not the point, you literal quadruple retard.

>>96244478
Everything IS literal, retard. It's called session zero, so it's a session.

>>96267785
It is the point, retard.

>>96267777
>>96267787
>>96267794
I don't know if you're doing this on purpose for fun or if you're actually like this for real, but you need to stop. This board is bad enough as it is because you are making real retards think they are in good company and it has been disastrous for the entire site.

>>96267823
You're the retard, retard. You stop.

>>96211133 (OP)
Yeah, it's pretty awful. I remember growing up in a small town, I'd read D&D novels (TSR) and make up characters, draw maps, imagine one day getting to actually share my imagination with other players. Fast forward about 10 years, finally getting a game group as an adult. Rules lawyers, power building man children, roll playing over role playing, non-existent in character interaction... I dropped after a few years when meeting with these people just felt like a chore. Their noisy, mouth-breathing, mukbang face stuffing and greasy antics just became too much for me. Most of them were genuinely nice people, but trying to "role play" with them was fucking pointless. I can only imagine how much worse it is now with the canonically woke 5e, advanced freak-shit, critical role neophytes and other such fuckery. It was bad enough 10 years ago.

>>96263841
I don't want to labour this point too much, and I really am only finishing small units here and there and playing simple games at home, but this is largely because the main offenders were Americans. I stopped paying attention to Americans, their opinions, their problems, their weird need to turn a profit and everything into a "jobby," their industry-drama-as-lore... sorry but you guys are MASSIVE secondaries. You're really in it for the gossip and to sell Wargaming as a Complement to My Apple LifestyleTM. Highly unpleasant people, very ignorant.

lol obsessed third world savages

>>96268089
Yet the same posts will be made at the same time, every day. None of you is responsible, of course.

what are you talking about lol. of course we're responsible. what are you gonna do about it, die waiting in line for a heart transplant at us? lmao

I hate painting eyes, but if I keep doing it they will start to look better. (Left was first tonight, right is last. This hurts.)

>>96267558
literally this.
>>96267944
You are not alone, brother

>>96268048
I'm an American and I agree 100%. I hate how retarded and hyper-consumerist the culture is here. The profesionalismization of out language, the corpo-speak, the soullessness and brand-obsession, how everyone has to have a "side hustle" and be a "content creator". Everything is just a cashgrab and there's no heart or soul to anything. People don't just have regular hobbies or even date anymore without turning it into a get-rich-quick scheme. I hate this horrible soulless place. Where are you from? Is it better there?

>>96269250
https://youtu.be/ZjwOww5pdsU?feature=shared

It's beautiful here, just don't try to put me to work monetising your toy soldiers and having handbag fights like all my American friends have so far. Except Kyle from Virginia, he's a nice man.

>>96269690
Wouldn't dream of it, M8. Wouldn't dream of it.

>>96212675
I don't know why is this surprising to you
If you already aligned with other people's political beliefs outside the game, when do you expect to use X cards or discuss politics in-game? What's there to discuss or disagree?
You already pre-accepted the people you play with and if they do anything X worthy you already know they aren't "truly like that and it's just a game"
You have Atlas levels of carrying biases even pre-game
I can already see why you are pro-trans, you have no thinking power

>>96269250
That's called getting poor, dumbass. Thirdies are always running side hustles and schemes because it's the difference between bathing with a bucket and shitting in a rusty bathroom and enjoying 50% of a first world lifestyle.

>>96269250
There has never been a time in human history when accumulating personal wealth and power hasn't been the purpose of living, and only losers think otherwise. All that's changed are the technologies involved.

I hate flakes.
Both the kind that commit to games only to go "oh sorry, can't anymore" and those that, at the last minute announce they're sick/travelling/ at someone's wedding and so on.
I don't like running games online anymore. It used to be bearable but now everyone's distracted by something else so every 5 minutes someone goes "So what's going on now?"
I dislike just about everything about 5E. The way every character ends up a cardboard cutout of another. When people are talking "Builds" in a game where you're supposed to make a character, someone fucked up. I also dislike how everyone treats it as the "catchall" system either. No, my friend, maybe 5E isn't the best system to run a WW2 themed game.
I hate myself for not having time to spend doing it anymore

Every character is a build. When you make a character, you build a character.

>>96273789
a build, as you'd know if you played games, refers to a preconceived progression path turning level ups and character upgrades into little more than steps in the manual of a flat pack furniture.

When you make a character, you build a character.

>>96273553
Most Americans live like this and then brag about what Magic cards they have.

lol obsessed

>>96274360
Obsessed with gatekeeping low IQ, dirty golems out of wargaming, yes.

>>96211259
as someone who also lives in the bible belt I have to assume your either posting from a time portal in the year 1995, or just seeing the word jesus sends you into a blind frenzy.

>>96221399
>Where the fuck is that fabled "Renaissance of tabletop games" from few years prior?
that died about 6 months after covid lockdowns ended.

>>96244929
Wasn't it explained to you multiple times that the scenario doesn't work for this or that reason, and that you assuming they don't understand it when they just disagree was some retarded shit?

>>96274748
Sounds like someone failed the test.

>>96228846
See the thing is, you like to ignore actual, real problems for so long that people just start thinking of you as retarded.

>>96274828
Yeah, you failed the test.

>>96274748
The scenario itself is less important than the way someone reacts to it, because as it was directly, overtly, and clearly explained, the test is not how you get the twinkie back or how you roleplay it, but how you react to extremely minor in-game inconveniences. This was meant to judge for murderhobo spaz behavior, but /tg/ defied expectations by proving that many posters could not even begin engage with the basic idea of
>twinkie stolen, wat do? (you are being judged on how you react to the situation)
without having a retarded shitfit over the question, which required they repeatedly ignore that they are being judged on how they respond. To nitpick and complain about the exact details of the hypothetical is one way to address the hypothetical, but it shows low IQ reasoning, and in the larger hypothetical that surrounds it, would signal to many that such a reaction would mean someone was an undesirable player at their table.

You could ask, "Do I see the thief running away?" or "who or what is around me?" or even just "I hunt down and kill the twinkie thief" which at least shows that you are able to engage with conditional hypotheticals, but also that you are willing to engage with the game in various ways which the GM could judge your personality on.

>>96211133 (OP)
>dictated by three companies
So make your own system.

>>96275123
Can't steal my twinkie. The way you react to this incontrovertible fact tells me everything I need to know about you.

>>96275412
Understandable. Good luck finding another group.

Nope, you're kicked and I'm staying, loser.

>>96270994
>If you already aligned with other people's political beliefs outside the game, when do you expect to use X cards or discuss politics in-game? What's there to discuss or disagree?
I'm not the samefag you're talking to but since this game's playerbase seems to be overwhelmingly liberal I usually just try not to care or think too deeply into the moral implications of anything the party gets up to.
The party does something stupid in the name of "freedom fighting" that would realistically have consequences disastrous for society? Sure. It's the right thing to do. Those consequences don't have to exist here. It's fantasy, I'm here to have fun and I'm not gonna overthink it.
The DM makes us face the consequences of our actions?
"Oh no, well we did our best."
or
"Nah, I'll just secretly headcanon that it didn't happen and we're doing X for a different reason."
usually the stories these people tell are tfw at best so I don't mind just making up my own headcanon. It's not even turning your brain off, it's just straight up borderline tuning out in a controlled fashion. I've gotten pretty good at it over the years but I wish I could actually roleplay a character without having to pretend I'm chaotic evil or whatever. Mental gymnastics only make it tolerable, not more fun.

>>96273553
wrong. though by your definition people in past ages were all losers. what youre showing is who are the only people you consider important. and theyre shitty shitty people.

>>96271172
>>96273553

Spoken like a true poorfag. While tryhards like you exhaust yourselves running all your little "side-hustles" to earn a few extra bucks you don't even notice all your money being drained from your pocket the second you put it in your wallet because the unwashed are too stupid and cowardly to just rise up against the guy picking his pocket.
Your philosophy isn't even winning. It's surviving. It's pushing your mind and body to the brink every day at the same dull errands that only reward you with more work the next day because you're too soft and weak to step out of your comfort zone and live a life free from consumerist crap that just keeps you distracted and enslaved. Only people with brains set on something besides mindless consumerist and hedonistic thoughts like yours will ever innovate anything, and only those who innovate ever achieve anything of measurable worth.

back to the fields, peasant.

>>96275631
Wrong.

>>96275664
Wrong.

>>96275123
The reason this test works is that it immediately makes the prospective player realize he's being judged and tested.
And people who can't help but ruin games really, really, REALLY hate being judged and tested and will inevitably spaz out.

>>96275696
>>96275699
K peasant.

lol seething loser

>>96275123
Yes, I know the criteria of your test. You, by repeating them instead of acknowledging someone can disagree with you, have failed my test for basic thought.

>>96275702
You can tell, because the guy who made the test spazzes out constantly every time someone judges his methods.

>>96275735
>>96275748
Your disagreement means absolutely fucking nothing in this situation. It only shows that you are needlessly obstinate. When someone tells you exactly what is happening and you still insist on going "well yeah, but" you're just being a fucking idiot. Stop being an idiot.

>>96275760
You are sharing your methods on a public image board, for discussion.
I am discussing them. And I find them wanting, in that every time you bring them out, you seem to be fundamentally unable to think.

>>96275748
He didn't seem to care and hasn't posted about them since the first thread they were mentioned in. He even went so far as to say it was a silly test, though that hasn't stopped anons here from getting extremely butthurt about being judged by it.

>>96275771
Even when being directly told that your reaction is what is being asked for, you continue to think you're pulling some big brained analysis and disproving a very simple premise: That people can be judged based on how they react to certain things. Even now, you're still falling right into that, and then proudly declaring that you think that doesn't work, even while you continue to display what a tedious, low IQ faggot you are, because you have continued to seethe about an imaginary twinkie for months to the point that you refuse to accept that anyone can glean anything about you from this continued behavior.

>>96275777
>>96275783
You are performing exactly the reaction I am looking for in my lack of thought test.
This does not stop you.

>>96275786
The reaction of uh, having a functioning memory?

>>96275786
So you agree with the premise and you've made a fool of yourself this entire time on purpose. Well played.

>>96275789
No, the reaction of failing the sally-anne test. You don't seem to understand that someone can disagree with you in a way that is legitimate. Your failure to do this tells me you cannot handle discourse.
>>96275795
see? Completely unable to follow the conversation.

>>96275800
You're allowed to have your disagreement, but it doesn't mean that you are right, that you have a point, nor that you've failed in every way to disprove the original point that your actions can and will be judged by others.

>>96275808
And I'm judging you for being unable to think, and failing the sally-anne test.
Which is apparently very offensive to you for some reason.

>>96275811
You don't really know how the Sally-Anne test works, do you? I fully understand that you have differing opinions. That's why I'm telling you why you're wrong and pointing out that you are trying to assert the same ideas, while trying to save face, and it's not working.

>>96275833
No, I've been judging you on your ability to acknowledge that someone could just have honest feedback on your test, or that the test could even be poorly made.
Which you seem unable to comprehend.

>>96275800
No, the reacthion of failing the thally-anne tetht. You don't theem to underthtand that thomeone can thithagwee with you in a way that ith legitimate. Youw failuwe to do thith tellth me you cannot handle dithcourthe.
thee? Completely unable to follow the converthaythun.

>>96275842
What honest feedback?
>>96274748
>it doesn't work
>you assume they don't understand

I was in those threads. It's not even my test. I watched people not disagree with the idea of being judged, but attack the idea that the criteria of the test were unfair or that it couldn't work because they needed to be able to roll dice or establish a character or numerous other nitpicking acts of retardation. The exact criteria was laid out and they'd ignore, as you have, to instead argue some inane, pseudo-intellectual bullshit because they would not accept that failing to understand a conditional hypothetical, like the breakfast question, reflects directly upon their personality and intelligence.

>>96275856
I was in those threads, and saw anybody who was even partially interested in the construction of the test be labelled failures of the test.
Removing everyone who is interested in the construction of tests wasn't one of the things being tested for, but it caught them with a near 100% accuracy rate, because what do you know, they want to talk about the test you brought up on a discussion board.

>>96275856
The test doesn't work because I, a perfect and infallible human being and an equally perfect and infallible player, wouldn't allow it to happen in that way to begin with.
The hell does hype o that icule mean anyways?

>>96275866
>>96275855
Man, you really struggle to hold any kind of conversation in good faith, huh?

>>96275760
You're wrong about what is happening, hope this helps

>>96275870
I was too late to lump you in with my last post.

>>96275875
you lose

>>96275868
I, being infallible and incapable of failing any test ever, always hold conversations in good faith. Conversations are only bad faith when people disagree with me, because I'm literal perfection personified.

>>96275878
>>96275877
you're like soul mates.

>>96275863
Nitpicking the test and trying to question its construction is missing the point entirely, as has been said repeatedly. It's the fucking breakfast question.
>how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
And instead of engaging the question, you take issue with the fact that the question doesn't account for every possible criteria to fully explain how you ended up forgoing breakfast. At worst, it's retard behavior, and at best, it's pseudo-intellectual pedantry.

>>96275881
I have no soul mate because I'm perfect. You can't duplicate or be equals to perfection, pissbaby.

>>96275882
nope, the test is wrong

>>96275882
Most of the people who engaged with it were like "Oh yeah, a banana is nothing, whatever", then moved on to the more interesting discussion on the nature of the test.
It's not nitpicking, it's the actual topic of the thread. You are complaining that your soup is wet.

>>96275882
That question is equally stupid because I'd just have had breakfast anyways and have never missed breakfast and have no reason to miss breakfast. What's the point without context that makes it meaningful?

>>96275889
The point of the test, as explicitly stated by the guy who posed it, was that problematic players tend to overreact to incredibly minor and trifling inconveniences in RPGs and you can easily suss them out by asking how they, as a player, react to an incredibly minor and trifling inconvenience, in a game.

It was not brought up to discuss ways to better frame the twinkie question to be fairer or allow for a more complex simulation of twinkie theft crime rates.
>Twinkie stolen, wat do. You are being judged. Additionally, here are a variety of ways that those reactions might be interpreted.

If you can't even get on the fucking starting line, you might actually have brain problems.

>>96275914
nope, the test is wrong

>>96275914
Literally everyone who wanted to talk about the test got the starting line and dismissed it as unimportant, anon.
This is why I accuse you of failing the sally-anne test, your assumptions of motivations are ridiculous at best.
And wanting to talk about the test in a thread dedicated to discussion of the test is as far from an overreaction as I can think of.

>>96275923
>got the starting line and dismissed it as unimportant
Claiming that you can't be judged, even on a surface level, but your unwillingness to engage with an incredibly transparent and simple question does, in fact, give people something to judge you on.

>>96275923
>Literally everyone
>Look inside
>It's not even a slim majority
Sadge.

>>96275931
You've entirely lost the plot again, anon. A twinkie is unimportant. Who cares if someone takes your twinkie?

Much more interesting is the topic of the thread, the test. Which is why all discussion of it since then has been on this exact topic.

test wrong

>>96275938
Honestly, much worse would be the twinkie just disappearing, now that I think about it. Confirmation it's stolen at least tells me where it is. If it's just gone, then I've somehow lodged a twinkie somewhere without remembering, and that's a problem for most characters I've run.

>>96275948
name ten

>>96275938
>When a wise man points at the moon, an idiot looks at his finger
Nitpicking the criteria of the hypothetical and trying to impose additional variable and details is faggy rules lawyer behavior, at minimum. You aren't trying to prove that the test doesn't reveal anything, but rather, trying (and failing) to engineer a situation where you cannot be labeled a retard for stubbornly, repeatedly failing basic social interaction and communication.

You can keep invoking the sally anne test, but you haven't provided anything remotely resembling a different means of understanding and perceiving the situation from your own point of view. You're just insisting that the real conversation, that did not happen and the archive will prove as much without fault, was that people were trying to discuss the test and make it better because it was somehow deeply flawed in a way you cannot articulate, despite spending hours bloviating about your differing ideas about the construction of a basic hypothetical.

>>96275963
post proof you've run a game

>>96275963
>You are unwise for noticing the actual point of discussion in the thread!
Every time it comes up, it's talk about the test, and now even the nature of discussion of the test. I also don't appreciate how you're dismissing all the people who said "oh yeah, twinkie, whatever" then wanted to talk about the thread topic as "Faggy rules lawyer behavior". They are simply talking about the topic of the thread.

And here you are, being unable to recognize this alternate view even existing at all, while freaking out at the fact that I've the gall to judge you for your behavior.

And if you want to talk about actual test issues, I find that doing such tests both takes longer and is less accurate than just talking to the intended applicant.

>>96275996
Changing the topic to try and seem smarter doesn't actually make you smart. You aren't providing an alternate view, you are trying to make up a different topic and acting indignant that no one is accepting your intellectual approach to answering a simple hypothetical, and how failing to do so is a common sign of low IQ behavior.

We're not talking about the test, though. The test and its ability to make retards out themselves is self evident, once again. At this point, we're only talking about you and your desperate attempt to find any possible angle that makes you look less retarded after acting retarded for hours.

>>96276019
I'm sorry anon, but people clearly care more about the nature of your test than the specific hypothetical. You've stayed here for hours talking about it, such is your interest.
And believe me, I love arbitrary tests as much as the next guy, but if you want to talk actual practicality in vetting players, they're not very effective.

>>96276033
>Of your
Kek, still can't pass the reading comprehension test.

>>96276033
>Here's the twinkie test and how it works
>>it doesn't work!
>here's how it works and why you're proving it right, again
>>actually people really wanted to talk about the nature of the discussion about the test and you just won't accept that!
Next time this topic comes up, try something different. Your attempts at verbal slight of hand are about as subtle as a house fire. There's no "people" here on your side and you've done nothing but made an ass of yourself.

>>96276046
See, this is why I accuse you of failing the sally-anne.
You can't even identify when someone just doesn't believe you.

>>96276049
sleight*

>>96276052
That's not how the Sally-Anne test works, my guy.

>>96276052
>See, this is why I accuse you of failing the sally-anne.
Example #2 of thinking everyone in the thread is the same person

>>96276049
And here you are once again failing my test for the ability to understand basic thought, the concept that you may be wrong.

>>96276060
It's a more advanced version, I'll give you that, but it's a perfectly viable test for empathic theory of mind.

>>96276065
That doesn't really matter in this circumstance, anon.

>>96276067
If it didn't you'd assume every anon was different. You don't because you're butthurt and unwilling to entertain the idea that you're in a minority, if not entirely alone in your delusions.
Now post proof you've played a game, you have 5 minutes.

>>96276073
Those conclusions don't follow at all, anon.

We've reached the point in the drawn out argument where the aggrieved retard pretends to have made a profound point and resorts to attempts at short, witty responses as his routes for rhetorical escape leave him with no choice but to act like a salty cunt or leave the thread without getting the last word. I'm sure this will continue until the thread 404s or hits max post limit in another day.

>>96276093
I'm sorry anon, I can't tell which one you're insulting if you're going to refuse to use the quotation system.

>>96274651
No, there's nothing but Baptist down here and each one's determined to tell the other one the fuck off and go to hell with the smile of a two-face holier than thou (I'm holier than you personality) hypocrite Karen mindset.

Is it wrong the whole time I thought you guys were talking about his dick.
The whole time I'm imagining some cultivation simulator shenanigans happening the whole time.
This guy dropping his dick in a woman immediately picks it up and runs off with it.
"Hey you can't steal my twinkie!"
Brings a whole new connotation when it comes to being a chocolate man full of rich and creamy caramel.

>>96276397
It's a much more interesting scenario for sure.

>>96276397
It's a much less interesting scenario for sure.

>>96276642
oh, so you were the guy he was insulting.