Thread 96214105

Why wouldn’t this be a job for the Custodes?

Forcing the Grey Knights to effectively be declared Excommunicato Traitorous seems self defeating

>Warhammer 40k is not grimdark anymore!
>they mention a thing where the grey knights will do something horrible
>40k tards say this is bad?

You said you miss grimderp and Grey Knights are shit also wasnt this an anti astartes virus?

This is good stuff, it's good that GW is acknowledging that the Emperor getting off the throne would destroy the setting and that they'll never do it

>>96214321
No my objection is based on the fact that the Custodes are more suited to this role than the Grey Knights by far given they are given personal charge of overseeing the Emperor

>>96214105 (OP)
>big E wakes up from his nap / pulls a Dalai Lama / becomes a 5th chaos god
>custards concerned astronomicon goes and most of humanity absolutely fucked
>big E says 'nah it'll be fine'
>custards decide if big E says so it's probably fine
>it will not be fine
If the custodes are as perfectly obedient to the Emperor as they say they are (and hate space marines for not being), then they would not be the right choice for forcing the Emperor back onto the throne.

>ADB gets promoted to lore chief
>femstodes and this shit

>>96214105 (OP)
Custodes are physically incapable of disobeying the Emperor. Grey Knights have actual free will.

>>96214321
It's redditors who are pissed

>>96214321
I thought it was s self-destruct button for the golden throne.

If the Emperor had decided to yield to Chaos the Cuckstodes would gladly follow their master without question
They are complete slaves and the Emperor assigning space marines (who are human enough to have their own will and betray him) makes sense

>>96214105 (OP)
>"If I try to get off the Golden Cuckchair, I order you to put me right back on it. I don't care what it takes or who you have to kill, I must never leave it"

I'm sorry but 40k actually needs saving from GW, their midwit whale consoomers, and their minimum wage Design Studio.

Whatever. It's too late. I'll cherish what I do and visit Oldhammer events.

>>96214105 (OP)
Because Custodes are too loyal for their own good. I doubt they could make the decision when the time came, no matter what it meant for the galaxy at large.

>>96214105 (OP)
I thought the whole "plugging him into the golden throne" was a last-ditch effort to save his life after Horus cut him in half and him becoming the astronomicon was just a bonus side effect? Or did I just make that all up in my head

>>96214630
brother who cares you jack off to magazines more than anyone

>>96214671
You didn't imagine it, but that's old lore. Now the Emperor sitting on the Golden Throne is the only way to keep the Eye of Terror in the basement of the Imperial Palace from breaking free and causing the Fall of Humanity by consuming Terra and every human planet within 1,000 lightyears of it. The Golden Throne literally sucks the life out of the Emperor's half-alive corpse to generate the additional psychic power necessary to hold that warpstorm at bay. But because the Emperor's life force is now directly tied into the Golden Throne, if the machine ever breaks, he'll die along with it.
Unless something very weird happens like the Terminus Decree is for, which amounts to "put that retard back on the damn Throne"

>>96214671
I mean, he clearly was able to keep it running despite being out on Great Crusade business. So I don't know why he wouldn't be able to do so as a warp entity or after inhabiting a new body. Unless being "reborn" made him significantly weaker than he was in 30k.

This sounds like a job the Grey Knights would be pretty shit at, to be honest. Just maybe consider that 1000 elite psyker marines versus 10,000 Custodes, the reformed Sisters of Silence, the Lucifer Blacks and whatever else the fuck Terra has going on (vaults of forbidden tech, titans and shit probably) is just not going to work out

>>96214671
It wasn’t last ditch it was all they had left somebody needed to be sat on the throne after all the shit the gods and Horus’ blowjob brothers did to the warp

Regardless of the emperors state he was going to sit the throne or if Magnus didn’t fuck up him

>>96214732
The Grey Knights would effortlessly cut through those Custodes. They're equally skilled, but Grey Knights can massively surpass Custodians using psychic self-buff powers. Custodes have no psychic powers nor immunity to psychic powers, which is why they need Sisters of Silence to help them fight daemons and psykers. The Grey Knights can just telekinetically pick up all the Custodes and toss them over the walls of the Imperial Palace. The real threat to them is the Lucifer Blacks. Too many guardsmen to overwhelm them all with their psychic powers.

So how exactly would the Grey Knights manage to fend off the custards and sisters of silence long enough to do whatever that is? The pineapples have natural alchemic armors that repel the warp and the sisters are the sisters.

Does the box contain his true name? I’d imagine if this was literally his words and his plan he’d have to atleast think far enough to imagine that a returned Him would be a far harder prospect to deal with then him at the time of writing. The more I think about this the more it makes sense because the person who was sat on the golden throne and the person who is currently(?) ascending to godhood/is a god and the star child are all different people

>>96214105 (OP)
This is for if the Emperor becomes the Dark King.
The Custodes are completely under his control and will follow him even if he becomes a Chaos god. They Grey Knights would not.

>>96214760
>Custodes have no psychic powers nor immunity to psychic powers
They do. Auramite has naturally warp resistant properties and Custodes can deny the witch with sheer willpower it happens in the books and game. Not saying the grey knights would get raped but it’s not a one sided battle either way. I still maintain however that the custards are vastly superior in terms of firepower, capability, and versatility due to home court advantage. Plus sisters could turn off any buffs the grey knights use unless they do some shit like “the knights are so psychically attuned to the emperor specifically it doesn’t work lol lmao”

>>96214765
>The Emperor of Mankind
>The God-Emperor
>The Star-Child
Did 40k always have a holy trinity?

>>96214792
>They do. Auramite has naturally warp resistant properties
Not enough to matter. Grey Knights are the most powerful psykers in the galaxy short of the Emperor himself. It might as well be paper to them.
>Custodes can deny the witch with sheer willpower
This is just resistance to telepathic assaults. Custodes have no special anti-Warp abilities, it's flat-out stated in Vault of the Throne that they are entirely reliant on Sisters of Silence to protect them from daemonic and psychic powers. Valerion even looks at some Grey Knights fighting daemons and is terrified of their power.
>of firepower, capability, and versatility due to home court advantage.
Grey Knights just read the skein of fate and predict every move the Custards make, then prepare a plan of assault that capitalizes on their weaknesses. GG.
>Plus sisters could turn off any buffs the grey knights use
Fortunately they're all weak humanlings that the Grey Knights can just shoot with their bolters and move on.

>>96214630
Those are 5 heavy supports (dread was HS for 3e CSM) and Iron Warriors could get 4
were the obli specials?

>>96214987
Weren't Obliterators Elites?

>>96214698
>But because the Emperor's life force is now directly tied into the Golden Throne, if the machine ever breaks, he'll die along with it.
lmao the eating the cake and having it: the writing

>>96214997
>Lucifer Blacks
They must be, you are right, or it makes no sense

>>96214987
Obliterators were 0-1 Elites lad, except in Iron Warriors armies

>>96214997
>>96215026
Makes sense thanks
I love 3e 40k like you wouldn't believe

>>96214105 (OP)
was this written in response to all the fanfics about the emperor waking up or something? it seems remarkably silly.

>>96214347
It's retarded grimderp that tacitly admits end times was a failure

>>96214671
I’m pretty sure the original plan was for Magnus to sit on the throne and act as what the emperor is currently doing, but obviously the whole heresy thing threw a wrench into that

The Custodes+Sisters of Silence would curbstomp the Grey Knights I’m sorry

This is to say nothing of Big E himself, who in a scenario where he’s acting as a newly formed chaos deity with no desire to sit back on the throne, would be an enormous defensive asset in his own right

A thousand grey knights could not pull this off.

>>96214356
I think its the fact Custodes are pretty much unable to actually go against the emperor unless its a very very powerful chaotic spell which is off the table by default

>>96214732
are there only 1,000 grey knights, last I recalled they were excempt from the limit

>Grey Knights
>Standing a chance against the Custodes+SoS
Lmao even. Custodes were "supposedly" built to kill all space marines after the great crusade was over. Grey knights have NO SHOT

Grey Knight can't even win against Space Wolves lmao. Custodes would absolutely crumbstomp those cucks.

>>96215542
>>96215560
Maybe the grim darkness is that the Grey Knights were taught to think they have even the slightest chance of stopping whatever absolute catastrophe would involve the Emprah getting up off the throne as a cosmic joke on them all?

>>96215590
It just feels like complete suicide

Does anyone here honestly think a bit of psyker autism could have stopped the birth of Slaanesh? Thats what your looking at here, with the addition of fanatical defenders who outnumber the grey Knight’s and have powers that are meant to counter them

>>96214732
grey knights teleport though

>>96215617
I feel like if the imperial palace doesn’t have anti teleportation defenses or measures after what happened on Horus’ flagship, that would be dumb

Big E himself was only able to teleport there anyways because Horus lowered the shielding

Teleportation isn’t a supreme check

>>96214807
the mechanicus always had it; the machine god, omnisiah and motive force

>>96214105 (OP)
>>96215542
Honestly, I really don't think it's that surprising, the GK have been written to be the Emperor's utimate soldiers since Ward
>"One unbreakable shield against the coming darkness, one last blade forged in defiance of fate, let them be my legacy to the galaxy I conquered, and my final gift to the species I failed."

Besides Custodes slaughtering every GK.
How the fuck would the GK even find out the emperor was removed from the throne in time to make any moves. The custodes would be the first to know. Grey Knights wouldnt even be able to get to Terra in time since there wouldnt be anyone on the astronomicon.

>>96214851
>Not enough to matter. Grey Knights are the most powerful psykers in the galaxy short of the Emperor himself.
Hahahahahahahaha. First week?

>>96215650
The GK have an entire branch devoted to reading the future and psychic disruptions and shit, to be fair the Custodes also have fortune tellers
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Prognosticar

>>96215650
We don’t know how quickly the emperor getting off the throne would result in a total collapse of the astronomicon

Theoretically it could take several hours or days for it to degrade fully? Not sure

Being generous maybe they have a way to feel via psyker memes that the emperor is awakening and could then blitz to Terra as fast as possible

Seems a little nonsensical tho

>>96214105 (OP)
I understand not liking this reveal, but I find it hilarious that so much of the shit flinging about this is just powerscaling BS about the custodes

>>96215671
Also, people wanking and hyping up the Sisters of Silence for the first time in history

>>96215675
In this case it feels warranted

The entire point of Blanks is that they hard counter psykers and drive them nuts

A battle vs the grey knights is quite literally the perfect confrontation for the SoS to shine in, especially if the Custodes are providing aid


A army of psykers vs an army of blanks does not end well for the former

>>96215690
The problem really is that sisters of silence still don't compete with marines in standard combat, like grey knights aren't just psykers, they're space marines. Unless they've changed things, an average marine still beats an average sister of silence without too much difficulty. I don't believe Grey Knights get rendered totally impotent by blanks

>>96214105 (OP)
Honestly, with how the Custodes themselves talk about the GK, this reveal isnt actually surprising to me

>>96214105 (OP)
The custodes are literally homunculi crafted to be mindlessly slavishly obedient and loyal to the emperor on a molecular level.
If the God Emperor got off his throne and wanted to leave the palace not a single one would ever in a million years think of stopping him, even if before being interred on the Throne the emperor knew he might have to be stopped in the future.
They Grey Knights are made with Genesee from the emperor himself and would be willing to honor the emperor's prior wishes that, even if he recovers in the future or ascends as some fucked up warp abomination, that they try and stop him and keep him on the throne.

It's like a parent telling their son that if he loses his mind to dementia to put him out of his misery because he knows his other family wouldn't have the heart to do it.

>>96215700
They're not facing the Sisters in standard combat. The Custodes aren't going to leave them to die. If they're invading the Imperial Palace, the Custodes are going to go and fight them while the Sisters suppress their psychic abilities from a safe position, and in a matchup between 10 Custodes fighting a single Grey Knight with their psychic abilities suppressed I'm putting my money on the Custodes.

>>96215650
> Grey Knights wouldnt even be able to get to Terra in time since there wouldnt be anyone on the astronomicon.
retard, they're on Titan, not Cadia. They don't need to warp jump
>>96215450
>>96215542
>>96215657
cope retard, your tranny marines would lose and die

>>96216107
>tranny marines

Retard the Gray Niggers have been getting jacked off since the Ward days

I get you have grown used to the assplay from GW but we are right

>>96216107
Ok whatever Garrison they have on Titan is not a large enough force to make any real impression

>>96216145
people forget this, but the grey knights do have access to admech and knights from deimos

>>96215192
Even better, it predates the End Times. The Terminus Order comes from at least the 5th-ed Gray Knights army list if not older.

>>96214356
The Grey Knights are the only beings in the Imperium with the training and tools to survive the psychic might of the Emperor. Whereas the Custodes are psychically conditioned to never disobey one of his orders.

Malcador died only because grey knights exist.
He sent out all the psykers so nobody could help him fuel the throne.

>>96216242
The Grey Knights were still in-training when Malcador sat the throne, they wouldn't have been ready to take his place.

>>96214105 (OP)
That's cute and all, but the Grey Knights would be at a major disadvantage if they had to try to stop the Custodes from simping out at the Emprah's possessed corpse.

>>96214105 (OP)
>Forcing the Grey Knights to effectively be declared Excommunicato Traitorous seems self defeating
You have successfully grasped the point and don't realize it. The point is for the Grey Knights to destroy themselves attempting to achieve an impossible task rather than scatter and attempt to formulate a plan that might conceivably threaten the Emperor's ascendance.

>>96217142
>casts Holocaust
>Custodes just melt and die because no psychic immunity
lol

>>96214105 (OP)
Maybe this is some 4d chess on the Emperor's end.
>Becomes a Chaos God
>Needs some high tier daemon princes to start shit
>Custodes would never commit suicide
>Grey Knights can kill a handful of them and send them right to Chaos-E's side
>Also the Custodes will wipe the grey knights out, ensuring Chaos-Emperor won't have any major opposition internally.

>>96214105 (OP)
This just smacks of forcing the status quo so that they can produce material with an out and about Emperor with the understanding that he will end back up on the shitter at the end.
This is basically just shit foreshadowing to the release of the Emperor so they can break glass in case of emergency.

>>96217156
>no psychic immunity
The Custodes have an entire host of psychic nulls at their side
>GK could beat a sister of silence
Good luck doing that while the Custodian their with is trying to kill you

>>96217260
they're*

>>96217260
>The Custodes have an entire host of psychic nulls at their side
Ah I see, so the Cuckstodes need strong females to protect them. kek

Why are people acting like the Grey Knights would fight the Custodes and Sisters directly? The Custodes don't know the Terminus Decree even exists. If it becomes relevant they probably have some secret warp tech to bypass the wards and teleport directly into the throne room, do whatever it is they need to do, and then accept that they all die immediately afterwards when the palace's defenders react.

>>96217319
>Why are people acting like the Grey Knights would fight the Custodes and Sisters directly?
Because that's what the fucking sidebar screencapped in OP's post says, brainlord

>>96217312
First thing the Custodes do is make it so the Sisters of Silence can't talk. Because they're based like that.

>>96217325
Custodes didn't do shit, the Emperor did it
>because if they were allowed to speak about the secrets they knew, they'd overthrow the Imperium

>>96217312
I guess the concept of having a woman be your partner isn't something you can understand, is it?

>>96217432
what are you, 12?

>>96217447
That's the best you come back you could think of?

40K is not grimdark, is GRIMDORK. Really, its not cool anymore, just edgy cheap edgy and dumb sometimes

I just liked that the Terminus used to be a spooky “whooo nobody knows what it is” box, now by de-mystifying it, it’s just another boring part of the setting.

>>96217319
Even if they magically get WITHIN ARMS REACH of the emperor. The custodes would ALREADY be attacking.
They are literally built to protect the emperor. Its in their biological coding. They are faster and stronger than any astartes.

>>96216241
>The Terminus Order comes from at least the 5th-ed Gray Knights army list if not older.
The term does, not its nature.

>>96214987
Iron Warriors could also trade 2 Fast slots for 1 additional Heavy slot in 3.5 codex.

>>96214105 (OP)
There are only 1000 Grey Knights in existence.

There are quadrillions of humans.

This means there are at least billions of guardsmen, probably hundreds of millions in Sol.

There are 10,000 Custodes.

The Space Marines possess no extraordinary forms of movement or indirect fire, most of their tactics involve plodding around on foot at 20-30mph max with a submachine gun and swords.

Presuming the entire Grey Knights chapter focuses its entire number on assailing the golden throne, they would have to cleave through an enemy force which is explicitly stronger than them in canon which is also 10x their size, and do so in enough time that 100,000,000 guardsmen don't arrive to reinforce the custodes.

Draw me a diagram of how the knights wouldn't be slaughtered to a man at the first obstacle. 40k is so fucking stupid with their numbers.

>>96217626
Not the exact details, but that it was the Grey Knight's were to open it if Emperor ever woke up, yes. That was there from the beginning, which is enough of a kernel to make any of the hemming and hawing about it look retarded.

>>96217565
If it was revealed what it would do, I wouldn't have minded the theory that it would destroy every geneseed in the galaxy.

>>96214760
You're actually retarded. Please learn more about the setting before posting about it again.

>>96217481
it's the comeback such a puerile insult deserves, schlomo

>>96218898
cope secondary. Grey Knights are the Emperor's final gift to humanity. The next level. Greater than Custards could ever dream of being. Even Valerian is afraid of this fact

>>96214105 (OP)
Because the custodes serve the emperor and thus have a conflict of interest while the Grey knights were created by malcador to do secret warp shit.

Also the custodes aren't psykers so they might not even be capable of doing it.

Custodes = Not trained to fight high level warp deities
Grey Knights = Specialize in fighting Warp deities

Plus it only says they are "likely" to fight through the Custodian Guard, if the Guard are feeling reasonable they may accept the Emperor's final true decree. Otherwise the Grey Knights would make quick work of them

>>96217712
The Grey Knights could just accellerate a projectile to near light speed and hit earth with it.

The setting is dumb when you use real logic.

>>96214105 (OP)
>1000 (at best) grey knights vs 10.000 custodes and possibly the emperor
Stupid fuming piece of lore.

>>96223270
Earth has void shields there to protect it against orbital bombardment

>>96214851
Look, we’re sorry you’re one of the 5 guys who bought into the manlet army but they are not that good. Custodes shit on them. A single custodes could take 2-3 of them. And I say this as someone who doesn’t particularly like custodes.

>>96215664
>a total collapse of the astronomicon
It was down for *months* when the rift opened. GKs didn't teleport over from Titan then.

>>96223229
Great Knights fight daemon prince-level enemies at best without their powerful named characters. And even with Draigo/Crowe/Valdor, they would only take on daemon primarchs.

>>96217712
>>96223341
I'm sure Grey Knights could pull some fucking Mcguffin warp weapon from their arsenal.

>>96216107
>They don't need to warp jump
They do. A trip from Titan would take 2 years for a Imperial ship at it's non warp speeds.

>>96223803
Terra literally has giant vaults stuffed with nothing but MacGuffins.

>Emperor leaves the throne,
>The golden throne becomes a literal gateway to hell
>The majority of the Custodies die right there or become corrupted by the Emperor who is some chaos god or something
> Grey Knights are literally the perfect force to go into the demon infested hellscape terra has become, fighting a warp entity and entrusted the salvation of the imperium
>Custodies players cry like unbearable bitches every time a custodies even dies in lore
>The idea of the salvation being entrusted to anyone else harms their 12 year old egos and make them reddit all over the place
I love this lore for the seething alone, who actually thinks there will be 10,000 custodies vs the grey knights on some open field, they are going to kill the last few confused or corrupted custodies that try to stop them.

>>96217712
From Pandorax I can tell you that Grey Knights are on a simliar level as 1st founding chapters when not fighting daemons. Custodes would massacre them without a problem with minimal losses.

>>96217712
>Emperor leaves the throne
>Terra becomes a literal hellscape of endless demons

In what universe do you think any of those millions of normal ass humans are doing anything to 1000 grey knights who are teleporting exactly where they need to be while everyone dies to demonic assaults?

>>96223853
The throne is rigged to explode with a soul erasing nuke if the Emperor tries to leave it. Nu-lore contradicts HH.

>>96223552
The average deployment strength of grey knights to an active warp breach with greater demons spawning have been 5 grey knights.

5 with an inquisitor fought and defeated the strongest greater demon of khorne in the lore, the fuck are you on about?

>>96223873
That bomb specifically needs Vulkan to trigger it dipshit, he's gone.

>>96223887
He's literally sleeping behind the throne.

>>96223873
>Nu-lore contradicts HH
Which is a good thing, fuck Abnett's fanfiction

>>96223891
>Hasn't read The Beast series
Your blessed for that, but it makes clear that he hasnt been on terra for hundred of years, then never returned retard.

>>96217756
>which is enough of a kernel to make any of the hemming and hawing about it look retarded
no the fuck it is not turning a "break glass in case of emergency" into the dumbest possible excuse for in-fighting and plot contrivance is beyond ridiculous

>>96214105 (OP)
Grey Knight lore has been traditionally very retarded.
We have finally retvrned.

>>96223131
No wonder women don't want you, you're boring.

>>96215450
>Sisters of Silence
ain't shit

>>96217712
>This means there are at least billions of guardsmen
An excellent number to be killed offscreen to show just how serious the situation is for the protagonists to solve, like always.

>>96214105 (OP)
Not if they want to hide the fact the Emperor is dead and all. Also Custodes are more guards to begin with where the Grey Knights tend to travel around more and would be easier to do so without question.

Everyone keeps saying "1000 Grey Knights" when that number wouldn't even be there.
If the Emperor stood off the Golden Throne tomorrow, not only would all 1000 Grey Knights not be on Titan, the Grand Master would have to be on Titan to open the magical mystery box and grab whatever GKs available to make this impossible strike.

Even if he recalled every single one, it would take months/years for them to assemble when they have hours to days at best to make this strike. There is 0 chance it's happening.

>>96214105 (OP)
Nu40k is retarded.
News at 11

>>96216241
>it predates the End Times
No, a vague mention to something called "The Terminus Decree" was in the 5th Edition codex. I bet you if you found that idiot Mat Ward on the street where-ever he is these days and asked him if OP's image was what he had in mind, he'd probably say "no lol." Though he's certainly a bad enough of a writer to have potentially thought it up.

>>96214760
Bait.

Custodes would shatter every Grey Knights' spine before the Big E even took a step off the throne.

>>96223270
> The Grey Knights could just accellerate a projectile to near light speed and hit earth with it.

How would that get the Emperor back on the Golden Throne, dumbfuck?

>>96223887
Any Vulkan can activate it. Checkmate, retard.

>>96223891
>massive imperial palace
>still that dumb black cousin sleeping on the couch with no damned job

>>96216107
>they're on Titan, not Cadia
true, but even at straight up the speed of light that's still a little over an hour and I doubt they can travel that fast.
there's no time

>>96232380
lolno, Valerion was scared of the Grey Knights in his novel. He knows they're the Emperor's true vision for an uplifted humanity and the Custodes are yesterday's news.
>>96226465
The Grey Knights can read the skein of fate. They know years ahead of time when there's going to be a daemonic event and how many they need to send to defeat it, which is how they're able to respond in time to most daemonic invasions. They also number at just over 6000 strong, according to the latest estimates. They don't follow the Codex Astartes like cuckmarines do.
>>96234181
>true, but even at straight up the speed of light that's still a little over an hour and I doubt they can travel that fast.
Imperial warships can cross solar systems in minutes using their mundane engines. You might say that's impossible, but GW doesn't know how physics work.

>>96234610
> He knows they're...
He wondered. He didn't agree or disagree with the notion. But, he's also a pussy compared to most of the 30k era Custodes. Constantine Valdor would laugh.

>>96234652
Constantin Valdor is too busy running the biggest Chaos cult in the galaxy to laugh. An organization so gigantic and powerful it has its own pseudo-Inquisition running around the Imperium destroying lesser Chaos cults to remove potential threats to its own supremacy, essentially a shadow government that is, ironically, helping to hold the Imperium together. Maybe Valerion is right to be nervous. The Custodes aren't immune to corruption after all, just like the Emperor himself.

>>96215107
3e/3.5 was really good. Especially the setting books, like the city fight and death world rules. Fighting the Catachans in the jungle is super fun.

>>96234610
>Imperial warships can cross solar systems in minutes using their mundane engines. You might say that's impossible, but GW doesn't know how physics work.
I bet Tzeentch is behind this

>>96234610
>They also number at just over 6000 strong, according to the latest estimates
Anon every GK codex outside 8th edition one put GK around 1000 brothers, not in fan estimates but in direct writting straight from GW. 8th edition was diferent because GW wanted to rise up stakes so they cut numbers of GK in half, literally they took GK chapter organisation and divided number of squads in company by 2 and then rounded it up.
While math in 40k is often fucked it still makes me wonder why people get numbers and organisation so wrong when it was given multiple times straight up, in case of Grey Knights aprox number of marines in chapter(1000) number of brotherhood with information how many and what types of squads they consist of, number of fleet assets, number of vehicles in armory including 24 rhinos, number of techmarines, librarians chaplains, apothecaries, serfs, servitors, palladins, purfiers and prognosticars.

>>96237434
Tzeentch is behind everything.

>>96214541
This. What's the point of crying about it now, the writing was on the wall ever since he got the top job. Abandon the hobby before you spend further money on it.

>>96217581
Nah, they're mogged by psychic astartes

>>96237958
Custodes are stronger, faster and tougher than astartes, better equipped than astartes, better trained than astartes but they are also resistant to psychic powers and corruption. Psychic marines don't have shit on them, + they often cooperate with sisters of silence who completly nullify psionic powers.
Custodes faced psychic marines including psychic biomancer swordsman, squads of terminators fighting as one via telepathic link and mogged astartes hard.
Also there are 10 times more Custodes than Grey Knights.
It's kinda funny how GW is bad at math, when there is more Custodes than Grey Knights and Space Wolves combined, despite how hard Custodes are to make and that neither GK or SW numbers are limited by codex, and yet there is almost 3 times more Custodes.

>>96238009
>Custodes unironically needing the numbers advantage and Sister of Silence support just to stand a chance against the Grey Knights
lol, you can't make this shit up, Custards players are unironically bragging about needing to outnumber Grey Knights 100 to 1 just to stand a chance

>>96238009
>Psychic marines don't have shit on them
That's interesting, is that why a single thousand son killed dozens of them and nearly killed valdor during prospero, and simply committed suicide by valdor when he realized he was being corrupted by chaos?

>>96238071
Your reading comprehension is astoundingly poor

I like the new (cope) suggestion that the whole point of the degree is to have the grey knights think they are acting out a special order to get big E back on the throne, only for it to be a trap and they are going to be the ultimate 1,000 pysker patch sacrificed to big E to complete his ascension

>>96223873
>>96223893
I'm not sure if you've noticed but the writers write whatever the fuck they want regardless of what's been written before.
>40k
>consistent canon
Also the entire notion that the HH isn't also nulore is a top kek.

>>96237696
The numbers in warhammer are fucking retarded anyways. The grey knights are frequently used as bodyguards by inquisitors so there has to be more than just a chapter of them.

>>96214105 (OP)
>the lore is retarded
NO SHIT

>>96214105 (OP)
>>96214347

This isn't even an attempt at a hot take, but there is SO much overlap between the backstory and function of 40k factions they really should be rolled together

>Eldar should be one book
>Space Marines one book
>Chaos one book
>Tyranids and Genestealer cults
>Imperial Army encompassing guard with mechanicus and SOB units
>Orks

Six factions is beautifully manageable, for writers, for updates and note I never mentioned Tau, Necrons or Votann because they are simply embarrassing.

>Bbbbut my lists

Get rid of all that shit and bring back the force org chart. Make troops even more of a requirement. If you want a few unit and character traits you might as well also have wargear and make it all cost points.

>>96214692
It's so funny because even in 1998 GW were making cynical moves to strongarm capital from nerds who decided "Who cares, I'll just wear rags and eat instant noodles because the rest of life has rejected me."

What's wrong, /tg/? Don't you like it when my chapters do well and are far more important than what anyone else has written? If you want to know a real secret, the Custodes look up to the Grey Knights the same way the Grey Knights actually look up to the Ultramarines. It's true, it's very true. Even the Emperor wishes he could be more like Roboute Guilliman!

>>96238517
I heard some conspiracy theory that Matt Ward is still writing for them unnamed lol. You have to enjoy the derangement of a fandom too

>>96215997
>this post
Yeah. Custodes are HAND CRAFTED near Primarch level combatants, and while Grey Knights are extremely effective against Chaos and would surpass Custodes in this regard.... BUT ONLY IN THAT REGARD. Grey Knights are specialists, Custodes are MASTERS. With psyker abilities in play they MIGHT trade 1:1, and that's being generous. Custodes lore should have remained as "these are the only Custodians that exist and no more will EVER be produced because only the Emperor knows how to do this shit". A Custodes should be threat where Greater Daemons and other equivalents go "oh shit I need to plan for this" where the very presence of a Custodes turns the tide of a segmentum crusade, not by martial might or strategic insight, but by mere PRESENCE turns the tide.

Each Custodes should be a named character and have a minimum of 8 in all stats. The loss of a single one should hit with same gravitas as losing 10,000 planets in the Imperium.

>>96238550
They should just be those bath house boys with spartan helmets again and not be a playable army. They are just Grey Knights (Gold).

>>96238550
yikes

>>96238544
Conspiracy? Oh my sweet soft-headed child, he never left in the first place. His shit-stink is all over any 40k media since 5th edition.

https://spikeybits.com/matt-ward-returns-games-workshop/

>>96238564
>>96238588
>filtered faggits
Many such cases!

>>96238633
>matt ward
Unironically the greatest lore writer. His fumbling led to Robute Guilliman being the best Primarch and a total bro while leading to Trazyn the Infinite and Necron's being nothing more than zombie robots with ray guns. And even then you can still have that.

>>96238683
You're correct, without Matt inserting himself into the lead position of the army he's writing rules for none of the current narrative issues would really exist. Additionally we'd still have Warhammer Fantasy instead of Abortion of Sleightmar.

>There are 10,000 Custodes.
Yes but half of them are women.

>>96238807
>Additionally we'd still have Warhammer Fantasy instead of Abortion of Sleightmar.

Jervis is also responsible for this.
Another reason why I will never play Valour and Fortitude.

>>96215646
I thought the current fluff was that they were gathered and collected by Malacador the Sigilite, and the Emperor had literally nothing at all to do with their creation?

>>96238127
A single thousand sons sorcerer is worth dozens of grey knights and probably a few custodes.
>>96223873
You're telling me that the emperor, the greatest psyker in history who pretty much rivals chaos gods, can't teleport out of the radius of the bomb? Or possess some dipshit custodes to make sure the bomb doesnt work? What stupid plot point.

>>96215700
Sos outnumber GK 100 to 1.
Custodes outnumber GK 10 to 1.

Thats the problem with GW not being able to understand scale.

SM legion should have been 100 Million strong and sm chapters 1 Million strong.

The palace alone has 5 Quadrillion beings in it, the GK cannot even physically beat the baseline humans in it even given a millenia.

They would even be able to kill enough to counter the birthrate.

>>96232380
This. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an ignorant gay knights fan.

>>96234667
Look at the absolute state of gk fags.
They would rather argue that the Emperor and the Custodes have fallen to chaos, rather than admit that their shitty mary sue faction sucks donkey balls.

Bro the Gay Knights are a joke. Almost as much of a joke as the Space Wolves. They are just a specialist force whose role and power level has been blown out of proportion by retarded GW writing. How long will it be till you retards propose the GK grandmaster or some clone of the Sigiltte or some other stupid bullshit, should rule over the imperium.

The only correct canonical power level of factions is Custodes>>>>>>>>Gay Knights= Some SM chapters> most poorly equipped and maintained SM chapters.

Custodes vs GK is nowhere near close no matter what fan fiction you cite. Deal with it.

>>96238633
>2016

>2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iWfxcYF7FI

Gillyman returning and taking over the Imperium did 1000x bigger damage to the lore and the fans eat that shit up

>>96243006
I did not.
I'm still angry about gathering storm. It was 8 years ago and I'm still mad.

>>96216241
>The Grey Knights are the only beings in the Imperium with the training and tools to survive the psychic might of the Emperor. Whereas the Custodes are psychically conditioned to never disobey one of his orders.
These right here.
This honestly should be the end of the entire conversation, but the secondaries who are mining these threads for content do not know the particulars about the setting.

>>96243006
>>96243024
This is an opinion only really held on 4chan to any considerable degree, if only because of the entrenched Old = Good mindset and the prevalence of autism making it difficult for denizens to adjust to radical change.

>>96243006
>the fans eat that shit up
Do they? everyone seems to hate it
Personally I think the setting has gotten too bogged down in individual characters in general, but i'm a nidfag so i'm a bit biased there

>>96243006
Because idiot secondaries just want BIG GUYS IN BIG ARMOR SMASH ALIENS slop
bolter porn has always been the main draw to 40k and always will be. Guilliman just ratcheted the bolter porn up to 11 and sucked the nuance out of the timeline. Since now everything revolves around him. Fucking PrimarchHammer bullshit

>>96245702
>Because idiot secondaries just want BIG GUYS IN BIG ARMOR SMASH ALIENS slop
But it's not secondaries who want it. It's GW customers who are voting with their wallets.

My money is on this is how we [Thunder Warrior] The Grey Knights when Dad gets up to go get milk.

>>96214321
This isn't grimdark or even grim its just retarded
it's opening a mystery box that never needed to be opened with the dumbest answer possible

>>96238983
>implying that GK would have to kill all of terra
>implying that GK would attack directly
>implying that GK don't get impossible missions all the time and their final mission wouldn't be the most impossible of all

>>96223369
Then use void shield nullifiers.

>>96232394
How the fuck do you plan on having 1000 people force a warp god to sit on a chair for eternity on a planet full of hostiles, dumbfuck?

>>96214105 (OP)
I don't know how to describe OP's pic. Like some sort of very literal, to-the-letter AI like that paperclip thing, except instead of robots, it's autistic ex-possessed supermanchildren.

>My sons, I have returned and found a way to power the Astronomican without having to sit my golden derrier upon the thro-
>what the fuck are you guys doing? Why are you shooting at me? Are you all fucking insane?

>>96223270
And doing this would achieve nothing, because planetary scale void shields exist.

>>96214105 (OP)
The Custodes give him what he wants.
The Grey Knights give him what he needs.