"B-b-b-but why are you watching Youtubers bro just play the game like me bro yeah so what if I post on 4chan that's different bro!"

Now that's out of the way, the slobbering blowjob generally seems to be:
>Hasbro is cutting back on gimmedats and the Reddit Consensus is you must play Daggerheart, so here's my completely unrelated Daggerheart review!
>It's totally awesome, dood! See, D&D is *DM* driven. It's, like, oppressive or something. But Daggerheart is *PLAYER* driven. I'm now empowered.
>Like, check this out! In our first session our new party was meeting the king. We walked in and asked "What can you tell us about the dragon quest everyone's talking about?" And you know what the DM said?? He looked at me and said, "Well, you tell me. What DOES the king say?"
>WHOA. MIND BLOWN. So I decided the king [several minutes of inane babbling]."
>Goes on to give similar idiotic examples demonstrating how Daggerheart is bad improv theatre.

Yeah, that's quite a game you've got there. I think I'll go play some chess and remove my rooks for some WH40k Space Marines because that would be totally badass and they'll rocket around the board and my opponent doesn't like it I'll point out he's a totalitarian fascist.

>>96216566 (OP)
Cool, OP.

>>96216566 (OP)
why are you watching Youtubers bro just play the game like me lol

>>96216566 (OP)
I don't know what daggerheart is and I'm not going to watch a youtuber to find out.

>>96216566 (OP)
WTF is a Youtuber?

>Have thing you know you don't like
>Purposely seek out content about the thing you know you don't like
>Surprised when you don't like it
wow

Donjon did the exact same thing back in 2002 but I didn't hear anyone tell how revolutionary it was except the dorks at The Forge.

>>96216659
The people raving about Daggerheart were in diapers in 2002...

>>96216659
>609 KB PNGDonjon did the exact same thing back in 2002 but I didn't hear anyone tell how revolutionary it was except the dorks at The Forge.
To satisfy the Reddit Hivemind, a new game developed by a random old fat white guy would never make it. The details of the game itself are virtually irrelevant; the Consensus will only congeal around a product marketed by a Reddit Approved personality. The fact Daggerheart isn't even a game but collaborative storytelling is irrelevant. 98% of them don't play and just like being part of the Consenus and maybe thinking about a furry character and hiring someone on DeviantArt to draw a NSFW portrait.

They would absolutely lose their minds if Pedro Pascal released a game.

>>96216622
Critical Reddit got tired of sharing the money with the oy veyers at Hasbro so they split off and made a terrible system.

>>96216566 (OP)
Didn't read a single word. Daggerheart looks kinda cool, and I'm interested to check it out.

>>96216566 (OP)
Watching youtube is different from posting on 4chan.

>>96216566 (OP)
Is this a stealth advertisement thread?

>>96216566 (OP)
Daggerheart? More like DaggerFART!

>>96216566 (OP)
I never read on it since it was first revealed because my first thought was that this was going to a be a narrative heavy game made for "influencers" to have an easier time making content with, with official releases out now did this turn out to be the case?

>>96216566 (OP)
Have you considered not listening to talking heads on Youtube and not playing D&D? I'm not even going to read the rest of your idiotic post.

>>96216566 (OP)
Shadowdark all over again.
A cabal of individuals taking advantage of the hasbro dnd debacle in order to install their own greedy agenda.
2e ad&d + OSR or die

>>96216722
A smar producer in current year use a false identity where he is an homosexual non white woman.
That's how you get the big monies.

For context, I have played Dungeon World, GMed Homebrew World (with the follower rules from Infinite Dungeons), played and GMed Fellowship 1e, played and GMed Fellowship 2e, and GMed Chasing Adventure.

I GMed the Daggerheart quickstart for three players (and went a little further with a bonus encounter against the colossus Ikeri, a spellblade leader, and an Abandoned Grove environment, during which Ikeri was one-turn-killed).

I wrote up an actual play report, during which I concluded that Daggerheart just is not for me, even relative to other PbtA games.

I am still fairly invested in the game. I like the playtest material that they have available:
https://www.daggerheart.com/thevoid/

And I am eager to see what Keith Baker will be writing for Daggerheart:
https://darringtonpress.com/gencon2025-announcements/
>New Daggerheart World by Creators of Eberron and More: Finally, we have Keith Baker and Jenn Ellis’s new world in Daggerheart! From the minds of fan-favorite RPG worlds like Eberron and innovative tabletop games like Phoenix Dawn Command, Illimat, and the Adventure Zone Storytelling Game, Twogether Studio’s Keith Baker and Jenn Ellis are partnering with us to make their next grand world using Daggerheart. Expect thrilling worldbuilding and brilliant new player option designs from this powerhouse team.

>>96224223
Shadowdark is an improvement over 5e though.
Daggerheart is a confused Frankenstein design

>>96224237

Oh, and I also homebrewed this modern-day demigod campaign frame:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vw4-EKpOZJ9rIxjGvy_h7yCY4pEao-gBY-3rLMdkvzE/edit

And in case anyone wants the apotheosis mechanic in more system-agnostic form:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v3i4nuoQ0fdLxodt7QScrMgt5CEo7gfX4SK46JkpU8k/edit

>>96224223
>2e ad&d + OSR or die
Agreed, with a little 1 e as needed.

Wizards:
>no faggot cantrips
>% chance to learn spell
>gotta find scrolls to learn new spells. Tons of ready made adventures, treasure becomes more interesting. Best of all, in combination with %learn spell, wizards don't all end up with the same optimal spell choices.
>concentration. REAL concentration. You take 1 hp of dmg, spell is lost. Most of the time you'll be casting at the end of the round, hope the kobolds don't touch a little flask of acid or flaming oil that does 1d4 dmg/round.
>No armor. Dagger, staff, or dart only. Even in online discussions complaining about wizard domination, it's rarely mentioned what it difference it makes when they can't use the same fucking equipment as a fighter.

Fighters:
2e weapon grandmastery or BECMI equivalent. The high level fighter SHOULD have 3+ attacks per round doing a lot more damage than his 1st level self, not just better to hit.

Serious wizard nerf + serious fighter buff +as little class overlap as possible makes for a far superior game.

>>96224257
>>96224237
Can you go more into your thoughts of Daggerheart?
I am concerned that the only people interested in playing are female and will not actually stay if I bother learning and GMing it

>>96216722
>The fact Daggerheart isn't even a game but collaborative storytelling is irrelevant
But is the collaborative storytelling gamified by being bound by rules?

>>96224223
>Shadowdark
I read that but all I could call to mind was darkbad

>>96224319
I like the concentration bit, but personally I'm not a big fan of arbitrary equipment restrictions. Maybe spells require certain body language so they can't use armor that's so heavy it restricts movement. I guess metal armor is a bad idea if you're using fire or lightning spells since it can overheat or get electrified. But if it was me, I'd let players use it and take the consequences rather than just saying it's against the rules.

>>96224611
I forgot to add to the 1e wizard restrictions:
>free movement, not silenced
>material components. Another great one that actually finds a use for gold and, like spell scrolls but to a lesser degree, adds a constant treasure hunt element if the components can't be bought.

But anyway, "free movement" was/is indeed the hand-waving explanation for why mages can't wear armor, but of course the only real reason is game balance. And again, I strongly support it for the same reason I like the blunt weapons rule for clerics. Of course it's arbitrary but it's in service to distinct classes. Now the mage has to get creative with flasks of oil, smoke bombs, etc. While I hate generic, high powered at-will magic items like yet another +3 sword or a Ring of Protection+2, I do like items with very limited charges or very situational uses. So give that mage a wand with 5 charges or potions that replicate a spell effect, and let him find a couple more during the adventure.

There are many things I hate about 5e but near the top is how every fucking class except fighters (AFAIK, maybe them too now) has magic abilities, and how much overlap there is between classes.

>>96223722
Depends on what you think about death of the author

>>96225138
Overrated concept that's misunderstood and misused by quite a lot of people

>>96223722
Every 4chan thread is either an ad or a schizopost, and often both

>>96224829
>>96224611
your systems are so bad lol

>>96224829
All my artifact tier items have some drawback.
Most of my items break or can potentially break.

There is no "oh you got a +3 sword, it will be your sword until you get something better".

>>96216566 (OP)
It's paid astroturfing. Just like Blades in the Dark, Candela Obscura, and Shadowdark, these youtubers are being paid real American dollars to glaze the game tehy'll abandon as soon as they get a couple sessions on their belts.

>>96216566 (OP)
Go, fucking, back

>>96225223
Here's you

>>96225221
trash

>>96225271
You, rather.

>>96224477

>Can you go more into your thoughts of Daggerheart?
My largest points of disappointment with Daggerheart are:

• 1. The GM's action economy in combat is based almost purely on how much the PCs flub rolls.
• 2. Hope and Fear create success spirals or failure spirals. Success leads to future success, and failure leads to future failure.
• 3. The game has once per short rest (in-game), once per long rest (in-game), and once per session (out-of-game) mechanics all mixed together, leading to awkward resource management.
• 4. Adversary math is inconsistent.
• 5. Druids are simply too strong, for a number of reasons.
• 6. Bards are just number-tweakers rather than action-enablers.
• 7. Too much of the game ultimately relies on GM fiat, in a way I find grating even for a PbtA game.

I have a document that goes into more detail about these points, but it is not quite ready yet.

>I bother learning and GMing it
I would say to give it a try regardless. For all you know, you might like it.

>>96225989
So it's dnd but worse. Great Jon.

>>96226149

I would call Daggerheart significantly removed from any edition of D&D, for good or for worse. It is much closer to PbtA.