Thread 96228572

>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here:http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/

>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial:http://mengtzu.github.io/exalted/sakuya.html
It’ll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.

>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/. good luck

>Resources for Third Edition
>3E Core and Splats
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b54o6teut3fx6/Exalted_3e

>Errata for Third Edition
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3ooTmopm3CBxW5jwPp1761xsaIccea-5XIhVM_PQEc/edit

>Other Ex3 Resources
https://pastebin.com/fG1mLMdu

>Resources for Older Editions
https://pastebin.com/BXSGuFdQ

>Current Quixalted Extended QE Version (Fanmade Supplement)
https://files.catbox.moe/rjgmo5.pdf

>Optional Quixalted Exalts
https://www.mediafire.com/file/jg86yrewnhx2ov3/QE_Reject3eExaltHomebrew.pdf/file

>Exalted Demake/Black Vault (Now with updates):
https://pastebin.com/Tt1PjuYt
https://pastebin.com/qHRW9N51

>collection of Exalted Hacks
https://pastebin.com/gtZnycJs

>stuff that might be interesting
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-exalted-thread-with-no-original-ideas.317216/

Last thread: >>96135184

TQ: How much does your party care about staying discrete and/or using their power wisely?

Our campaign is in the far East so we don't care. In fact we're trying to be as obvious as possible to lure out the Dragon King cult that might help us decipher a First Age orichalcum tablet.

>>96225403
How did they change Lilith in 3e respective to past depictions? I never read the Lunars book.

>>96228974
No Desus, no traumatic past. I can absolutely understand not wanting to have a beaten housewife Lunar elder - I think something good could be done with that concept, but it's a lot easier to do wrong than right - but it was pretty central to Lilith's concept. I wouldn't mind it if 3E had just dropped Lilith altogether, but introducing what's essentially an entirely new character while pretending it's an old, familiar character rubs me the wrong way.

do people play lookshyan dbs?

>>96229062
>Lookshy DB
I ran this very game for my group. In the books it's referred to as "Realm Lite" angld it's exactly that. I found it very story friendly with many opportunities for plot hooks.
It is my opinion DB 1e might be the most balanced and playable characters of the franchise.
I didn't use any of the high powered artifacts or high arsenal access.
>no essence cannons
>no Gundam suits
>no firedust weapons
Just the omnipresent cannon tower guarding the harbor and airships docked on their spires for setting the scene.
My game was a group of 4 who served out their contract and were then recruited by a diplomatic bureau. Good times. Currently on pause.
I also kept it simple regarding the race/species. No panda people or snake-men.

Is Morke up to anything these days?

>>96229025
Same. Feels like some correcting subjective reality to their objective, perfect, world. Like, I know better, let me just change this to something I know is better.

Like instead of replacing Lillun they completely red-did her character to make her status as a phylactery putting her one par with the Yozi.

>>>96223677
I think that the focus on Infernals becoming alien beings was something jury-rigged by the fanbase (including some of the Ink Monkeys) to compensate for how bad Infernals was as a total package.
>>96231078
You seem confused; multiple 3e devs have said that they're never going to bring Lilun back for 3e. No idea what you're referring to.

>>96231505
It is because Infernals at their core were designed in and out of universe to be disposable minions, so the players went stab the scorpion to scape their fate.

>>96231505
>You seem confused; multiple 3e devs have said that they're never going to bring Lilun back for 3e. No idea what you're referring to.
If you don't mind me cutting into this conversation, I believe he's gotten confused with an Infernals 3e homebrew where Lilun is made into basically Damien from The Omen, except she never does anything even remotely malicious (onscreen anyway) besides being kind of creepy and quiet.

>>96229025
>No Desus

Good. He was only supposed to be a one-off reference to someone who existed, probably, in the writeup of Oliphem in Creatures of the Wyld. His entire existence is a literal joke based on a few syllables taken from the Odyssey.

Even if you keep Lilith having a lot of good reasons to hate the Solar that she was with... Desus is just shit writing. He's like Samuel Haight for Creation, with an emphasis on being an obnoxious and intrusive over mixing powers (but he was an Eclipse so he could do that too!)

>>96232034
That is all pretty much irrelevant to what I said. Whether or not Desus was shit writing, being an abused housewife still dealing with the trauma of that abuse was what Lilith was about, and getting rid of that means essentially getting rid of the entire character. As I said, it'd be fine if they did just get rid of Lilith and were honest about it, but pretending to keep the character while rewriting her so extensively that only the name remains is dumb shit.

What would his Exaltation be?

>>96233087
Solar obviously, probably Dawn or Zenith.

>>96232842

A Desus shill would think that's the most important part about Lilith.

>>96233121
I don't think such a thing as a 'Desus shill' exists anywhere. Saying that Lilith's past trauma was a big part of her character isn't really a matter of opinion, it's just an observation. 1E's Exalted: the Lunars opens with a piece of fiction where Lilith observes Swan from hiding and reminisces about the cruelty an power of her - at this point unnamed - First Age mate. Literally one of the first things we're told about Lilith is that she suffered in the hands of her Solar mate. It's silly to argue that it wasn't a core part of her concept.

>>96233087
Getiminian. God of Rape.

>>96233861
>Getiminian
In what way? Something something breaking the game/world yes but that's not a Getimian thing really. It's more Solar or Infernal than anything. Getimians are more of an alternate universe / timeline sort of thing.

>God of Rape.
He doesn't oversee rape so much as he actively participates in it. And if you meant an Exigent of the God of Rape...

>Exigent
Rape didn't choose Rance, Rance chose rape.

>>96233861
He doesn't fit Getimians, he is too straightforward with his adult assaults, his ways are more like a Lunar rape lord or a Solar like Havesh.

>>96233087
Dawn. He can't do shit except swing his sword.

>>96234542
Is 'swing his sword' a euphemism I haven't heard of

>>96234614
It's called a hyper weapon.

>>96234614
What's rape besides an extended grappled roll?

>>96234192
>In what way?
Getimian lore is all about being a delusional incel with mind and reality warping powers, and a craving for stolen valor.
Depending on your interpretation, or they gaslight their social targets, or outright murder and replace them.

Rance would just use all his motes 24/7 and be like a walking lighthouse.

>>96234802
I get where you are coming from but their whole deal is a flavour of fate fuckery. They change the individual strings to grow closer to their home.

>>96234802
>Getimian lore is all about being a delusional incel
Rance is a lot of things but incel is infamously not one of them.

>>96228572 (OP)
We're currently on a chain of islands in the West that nobody outside knows about. But we're still hiding our power level so we don't keep brushing with spirits who want use for a cheap promotion or to kick our asses.

>>96234876
It isn't just flavor, that is also mechanics and splat identity.

They lore is all about "I never did anything, but I am entitled about everything!!", I would have saved the world by doing literally impossible things, punishing people for reasons that only exist in the Getimian’s head, brainwashing spouses that never head of them, but would "totally" love them, etc...

>>96234963
Rance is the only character who rapes a bunch that I enjoy, seeing him get his own rape charms would be great.

>>96235467
Just use grapple-boosting Brawl Charms + Celestial Bliss Trick.

>>96228572 (OP)
What are some tips for Exalts looking to avoid the Realm coming down on them? Especially if they still want of need to use their Charms.

>>96235526
Mountain Crossing Leap + the basic Awareness charms will make it literally impossible for the Wyld Hunt to ever catch you.

>>96235559
What if you want a playable game where you can stay in the place where the story is at?

>>96235578
Try the invincible disguise charm in Larceny.

>>96235559
>chucklingSidereals.pdf

>>96233087
He is clearly a dawn Solar

>>96233213
She seemed to be dealing with it rather well, since she didn't just kill Swan when she had a bunch of chances to do so easily. Her inner monologue indicates that it affected her, but she'd grown a lot over the 15 centuries of not being around the Solars of old.

So I'm not really put off by the dialing back of Lilith's relationship in 3e. Lilith's writeup should be about Lilith and not a Solar, and paying more attention to her AITA crisis in witnessing how the Lunars act now against those who had wealth and power is a much better use of word count than another few hundred words of misery porn.

>>96236314
maybe we don't need a rape victim NPC to make people uncomfortable at a table full of real people. Same reason we don't want a child being raped by demons. These things make us look like freaks, which we are when RP that shit with people who aren't also freaks.

is this actually hard for people to understand. her rape wasn't even cool, it was just boring realistic rape. Keep that shit in your stories and games, don't push off a bunch of people interested in your game just because you NEED that serious rape NPC.

>>96236314
Isn't her 3e write up longer than the previous editions, and mostly focused on her romance with a Solar?

>>96236369
Alright, so just remove her. That'd be fine, as I already said. If an abuse victom NPC seems like too much, don't have one, just don't completely rewrite an abuse victim NPC from previous editions and pretend it's the same character.

>>96236449
Oh, they could just return to her "beasts from the first age" write up from 1e, where it focused on her being a nomadic assassin around the DB's territories.

>>96236472
Plus, well, if she's still around you can use that rape plot line. You just look weird while doing so. Unless, you know, you're doing it properly.

>>96236369
>le this makes people uncomfortable
>le this makes us look le bad
Why don't you go kill yourself, you concern-trolling piece of shit? If something makes you feel uncomfortable, well, guess what, you're a grown-ass fucking adult. Either deal, or find another table. Or just fuck off out of our hobby. Nobody is obligated to babysit your whiny ass. Because let's be honest, this post isn't about actual victims of abuse or anything of the sort, it's just more of the same censorious bullshit we've been dealing with for the last couple decades.

>don't push off a bunch of people interested in your game just because you NEED that serious rape NPC.
If anything we need to gatekeep harder to keep your ilk out. Not a single inch more.

>u wunt child rape
Lillun was a massive mistake and a reminder that you need editors. All my points still stand.

>>96236472
A nomadic assassin who was also an abuse victim, sure. Pretending that a part pf her character you dislike was actually never an important part of her character doesn't become any less silly if you keep repeating it, anon.

>>96236558
Why do you keep talking about rape when violent and controlling cruelty is the brand of abuse being discussed, you weirdo? Fap before posting instead of bringing your fetishes here, please.

>>96236562
Oh an incel. Many wow. Again, you can out yourself with your rape fantasies and make that your central focus. No one has, nor will they ever, stop you from doing so. It's just you're weird and you smell weird and girls don't want to touch you.

>>96236570
Freudian slip, in a nutshell. He assumes everyone shares his depraved fantasies so he tries to censor and police everyone else to placate his own shame.

>>96236570
Then out yourself being a freak and alienate yourself more by roleplaying that. Again, you are allowed to do that. No one is stopping you. You smelly weirdo.

>>96236592
Classic, "everyone who disagrees with me about anything is a smelly weirdo". How many times do I have to repeat the suggestion of removing rather than rewriting Lilith before you actually understand what I'm saying, though?

I think we should remove violence from Exalted too. It should be a setting with nothing mean going on.

>>96236585
>>96236592
You will never be a woman.

>>96236612
Exaltations, too. Some people being handed that kind of power reminds me too much about inequality in real life, and I'm just not comfortable with that.

>>96236607
Again, they don't have to. The character is there - just because some people find it vital to keep the rape and abuse elements does not mean you have to. From what I understand they're not even an original element of the character but instead something tacked on later.

And again - you can keep the abuse and rape elements and RP that shit at your table. You're just outing yourself as a freak when you do so. This is fine, you're not hurting anyone with your game. But fuck if you don't look weird.

>>96236612
Does that even work, seeing as how Exalted is one of those systems that has many alternatives to combat? Like how autistic do you need to be to not understand that a table of people don't want to sit around and listen to your freaky ass talk about emotional abuse and rape and all that crap. how are you that fucking dumb.

I'm honestly sorta embarrassed to like this game-line because of people like you. Just holy shit.

>>96236641
>From what I understand they're not even an original element of the character but instead something tacked on later.
And you're basing that on what, exactly? Also why do you keep talking about rape? You do notice how you're the only one going "RAPERAPERAPE" in this discussion about Lilith, right? I'm starting to feel like >>96236587 is probably right.

>And again - you can keep the abuse and rape elements and RP that shit at your table. You're just outing yourself as a freak when you do so. This is fine, you're not hurting anyone with your game. But fuck if you don't look weird.
Oh yeah, examples of First Age Solars giving people valid reasons to, I dunno, usurp them or something sure are weird and out of place, huh?

>>96236671
I don't want to hear you talk about beheading people either.

>>96236563
Yes, she had a traumatic past, but it isn't her whole character.
They should have built her present and future, instead of focusing on someone that only makes sense if you are aware of 1e/2e.

>>96236683
Orrr...come up with a new character if an old one makes people uncomfortable. I mean, keeping the name "Lilith" in the first place isn't going to do anything for anyone who isn't familiar with 1E and/or 2E.

>>96236671
We don't want to listen to you talk about rape, either, but for some reason you keep doing so when no one else does.

>autistic people slowly realizing that people don't want to listen to them larp emotional abuse and rape.

Funny thing, with the right party I could see this being done well. Pretty clear with the freaks here why that shit was cut though. Can't have stuff like that in a game without drawing people that make it their sole focus.

Would be nice to play a victim of abuse overcoming all of that with a group of non retards though desu. Or playing a serial rapist like Rance. I'm just not dumb enough to think it doesn't make me look weird.

>>96236704
Personally, I would have done it, since the older elders just don't fit the 3e lunar paradigm; with the exception of Tammuz, but he was removed from some reason.

But the devs kept the sacred cows, with a poor coat of paint.

>>96236719
I'd rape you and make you a part of my harem. Just like my dawn idol Rance.

>>96236739
Changes to Lunar elders are still less aggravating than the change to Shoat of the Mire, at least.

>>96236369
>Exalted is a mature game about the glories and horrors of mythology
>...uhm...IS THAT A RAPE? HELP ME
why don't you just handle it in a mature way tho
>UHM why isn't the rape fantastical where's the tentacles and or estranged metaphor that makes it like rape but not rape
why don't you just not get a boner when someone talks about rape
>UHM you just want another Lillun
it is trivial to point out the difference between pointless misery like lillun and the fact that sexual assault and rape are undeniable cornerstones to many myths that Solars and Lunars are invoking.

>>96236739
They've been reusing things since before exalted was even a thing. Most of the names come straight from the World of Darkness.

>>96236773
Dowager is the biggest piece of retard shit Deathlord and I wish that fucker was removed along with shoat and the well of udr. Dowager has always been the Deathlord for fags.

>>96236790
The one Deathlord who's actually achieved something of note is the biggest piece of retard shit Deathlord? Okay, anon, weird take but okay.

>>96236782
I'm telling you that you are clearly too autistic to handle the topic of abuse and rape properly. Again, you can put that stuff in your game. But it's pretty obvious why that stuff isn't in the game anymore and thinking it's "because everything is worse" just shows how autistic you really are.

But sure, play games with rape if those are fun for you. Or games where you get NTR'd, but for someone like you that might hit a little too close to home.

>>96236788
The problem is that they had 2 decades to make Raksi work, and didn't.
She goes against all of 3e!Lunars design statements.
>"We are the defenders of the cultures deemed as barbarians by the oppressive Realm!!"
>Lunars are as barbaric as the Realm claims, and oppress the common man at least as much.

>>96236790
Don't you want Creation to be a multiverse like your favorite comic book movies anon? What's wrong with you. It could be just like Rick and Morty.

>>96236838
Oh, so we're suddenly going to start acting smart? Yeah, the whole design space feels rather weird to me too. Holdon is doing something that's... sorta neat right now with her.

Also I hate how they made Raksi not eat babies but you don't hear me crying about it. You can bet if I ever put it in a game though I'd know how weird it'd make me look. Still, a divine monster eating the children of its enemies just a great energy to it.

>>96236831
It's nice to have a place where you can be yourself without being banned, isn't it, anon? Most forums wouldn't look kindly to the way you keep insulting people without replying to what they're saying, but we welcome all, mostly because we have no choice. It's kind of a bummer for the discussion quality that this thread's currently just the dumping ground for people who've been banned everywhere else - we used to have actually kinda good discussions once upon a time - but I guess crying about it doesn't do much good.

Actually, I think rape merits more discussion.

>>96236800
I think she is hated because she breaks the "kayfabe", there is a whole "we were joking about destroying the world" that The Dowager breaks.
Because of this they specifically gave her an ego death, to whitewash the Deathlords.

>>96236865
Rance with an Exalted theme would be the greatest video that has never been made, btw.

Lilith and Lilun could be main characters in there and we could have pregger lunars giving birth to animals after taking a monster cock. It would be a thing of beauty. Exalted screams horrible fan hentai game and no one is cool enough to do it.

>>96236856
>Also I hate how they made Raksi not eat babies but you don't hear me crying about it
She still is, they just reworded it nicely.

>>96236831
>But sure, play games with rape if those are fun for you. Or games where you get NTR'd, but for someone like you that might hit a little too close to home.
NTA but
>Tells others they are too autistic for mature things that were common in mythology that inspired exalted that is supposed to be a game for adults while autistically refusing to listen to their point and throwing childish insullts at them.
lmao

>>96236886
In 3e I am pretty sure it'd worded to be propaganda with it heavily hinted that she doesn't really but a big wink if you have her still do that.

Good to know though. fuck the babies of my enemies, i demand dinner. I'm the divine monster, not a fucking solar building an orphanage.

>>96236900
She does, but ironically, so people think that she is more insane than she really is.

They just changed babies to "youths" after the kickstarter

So which deathlords do you guys like? Who's your favourite? What do you like about them?

>>96236908
Who is the cool looking guy in the middle right? It's that guy, whoever that is. Look at that guy.

Either that or Dracula in the bottom right. You don't mess with Dracula.

>>96236927
>Who is the cool looking guy in the middle right? It's that guy, whoever that is. Look at that guy.
NTA but that's the first and forsaken lion.

>>96236940
FaFL's the one in the middle, not middle right, I'm pretty sure. Middle right looks more like Mask of Winters.

>>96236908
>>96236940
First and Forsaken Lion is in the centre. Middle right is the Mask of Winters (pic related). According to the artist, the bottom right is the Walker In Darkness.

>>96236954
this guy goes hard.

>>96236908
Line column.
11 = bishop.
12 = the heron.
13 = the Dowager?
21 = the eye
22 = the lion.
23 = Mr. Winters.
31 = the lover.
32 = the silver prince?
33 = the walker?

>>96236962
Lower right is the Silver Prince, to his left is the Walker. The former is dressed like a general (check out the medals) while the latter is dressed like a pirate.

>>96236908
Why are they on fire? I mean I'm not complaining, but I wonder what the source of this fire is.

>>96238334
it's a stylistic way to show shading and light in a scene that's dominated by dark monotone, and so isn't necessarily literal fire. If you really must think of it that way, maybe they've gone outside for their occasional time in the sun.

>>96234192
but here's the real question
would the exigent of rape have to be raped or rape to get his power?

>>96238515
>would the exigent of rape have to be raped or rape to get his power?
'the' exigent of rape? Clearly you aren't seeing the bigger picture. Rape exigents are terrestrials that can reproduce.

Guess how?

>>96238515
Just make Molag Bal proud

It has to be a solar, with your choice of which caste. All the other exalted types belong to your harem. Do you know that comic with the male fantasy being the guy with the harem and the female fantasy is being chocked? it's basically that but the dude is a solar and the chick is an abyssal. with big titties.

>>96236800
>huh, you don't like the Deathlord that ass pulled the 90 percent of creation dying plague from her apocalypse-gacha machine?
>weird take

>>96236831
it's weird how you keep talking about exalted as if it's a meant to succeed at appealing to children or the amish.

this has always been an adult themed game aimed at young adults. this game has always been drawn from mythology and combined that with modern media and modern sensibilities not to whitewash the past but to examine it. It's a shame that this topic makes you squeamish because of whatever things you've encountered or had inflicted on you.

I don't think the game has to ignore those topics because of you though, because content warnings exist. I don't think the game has to ignore the topic to try and demotivate these guys >>96233861 >>96234192 >>96233087 either.

>>96238769
I read a few romantasy books; you are wrong, Abyssals are the giga Chad love interests MMC like Rhysand, Lunars are the paper tiger FMCs.

A female Lunars can even make their vaginas glow.

>>96238769

I read a few romantasy books; you are wrong, Abyssals are the giga Chad love interests MMC like Rhysand, Lunars are the paper tiger FMCs.

A female Lunar can even make her vagina glow

>>96236671
Anon not everyone has been raped like you.

>>96236878
>we were joking about destroying the world
I fucking hate 3e no one can be actually evil everyone is mundane and lame as fuck.

>>96242374
>everyone is mundane
It's obviously not mundane yet, but it is in the opposite direction of fantastic. Everything is more toned-down, rationalized, and available. Available to the players, that is. It's like they redesigned the setting with the idea that no theoretical goal should seem impossible anymore, and that no character concept should be locked off by something so small as verisimilitude. That rigidity to the setting was a lot of it's appeal and I don't think they understand that.

>>96242374
This one is less about being evil and more of a weird mental game between writers and readers.
They are doing everything to make the players "glad" to serve the Deathlords, and be under their wings, it is similar to that one Lunar elder that only exists to help Lunar pcs.

>>96242405
This is such a bizarre take on what Exalted is.

>>96242405
>rigidity to the setting

My brother in christ Exalted is just the typical DnD setting with weird metaphysics and the whole kitchen sink of fantasy tropes, wtf are you on right now. It is literally homebrew the game. Why are you just making shit up now, god damn.

>>96240138
you already lost you dumby. 3e already took out that shit because autistic fucks like you have no self control. You don't have to think anything, it's already been done.

>>96242512
they've been playing there own custom setting for so long that they think it's what exalted always was. they are so creepy.

>>96242512
An example of what that anon talked about, is the change in the seasons so they match closely the IRL ones.
"It is more natural" and "so you character can be born during autumn".

>>96242541
>>96242546
My point is that this part:
>It's like they redesigned the setting with the idea that no theoretical goal should seem impossible anymore, and that no character concept should be locked off by something so small as verisimilitude. That rigidity to the setting was a lot of it's appeal and I don't think they understand that.
...is the very point of Exalted. You're a hero of legend who can do the impossible, no summit is out of your reach, no depth that cannot be plumbed. What "rigidity" is it that you're touting as one of the setting's selling points?

>>96228572 (OP)
Who is your favorite canon Exalt, both in general and in regards to each major type of Exalt (Solar, Lunar, Sidereal, Infernal, DB, and Exigent) and why?

>>96242571
Okay about the part you quoted:
>It's like they redesigned the setting with the idea that no theoretical goal should seem impossible anymore
SEEM is the important word here you seem to have skipped. Exalted isn't Exalted without goals that seem impossible, precisely because you're heroes of legend who do what anyone would think should be impossible.

>>96242571
I - Anon. That'd just DnD. You are talking about normal dungeons and dragons. Exalted has some things that only it has but these vague emotional pleas your making sure as shit aren't them.

Let's start being honest here - Exalted is anime as fuck. It's the weeb DnD. It's the weeb World of Darkness. People talk about greek stuff because they're fucking losers, everyone got here because of weeb shit and you know it.

You've played your own custom version of exalted for so long that you've gotten it confused for what the game actually was. There is nothing wrong with this, maybe you're version is cooler, but you got to realize it's not what Exalted actually is.

>>96242571
>...is the very point of Exalted. You're a hero of legend who can do the impossible, no summit is out of your reach, no depth that cannot be plumbed. What "rigidity" is it that you're touting as one of the setting's selling points?
One of 3e's design goals was to "blow up Mount Everest", since according to Holden, letting the players climb it was a severe mistake.

>>96242592
I really can't remember any of the named characters in Exalted. I don't know why I block that info from memory.

>>96242592
None of them. They need to be erased from the Loom where possible and their positions replaced with nameless nobodies where their actions are required for the metaplot.

>>96231530
That just reinforces my belief that Infernals was a really bad book like Abyssals 2e was; not a good sign for a splat if the goal is to stop being the splat.
>>96231657
I swear there's some people with early onset dementia in this thread, because there are constantly weird little errors like that. There was one guy who kept assuming that Exigents was not finished even though the finished PDF has been in the mediafire links in the OP for ages.

>>96244702
>not a good sign for a splat if the goal is to stop being the splat.
I keep hearing this, but then I remember they were extremely popular, and I don't see why people think this.
I mean what's so wrong about wanting to play a splat that can become a primordial?
Do 3e fans hate fun or something?

>>96244702
>That just reinforces my belief that Infernals was a really bad book like Abyssals 2e was; not a good sign for a splat if the goal is to stop being the splat
Actually it is the opposite, 2e!Infernals did the "replace your masters" premise that Abyssals never delivered, and outside of it, they had a lot of ways out; because of this some Solar and Abyssals players hated them, they were not miserable slaves of either the Solar metanarrative or the gmpcs.

>>96244803
>I keep hearing this, but then I remember they were extremely popular
>>96244809
I don't recall "replace your masters" being a premise in 2e. Most of the Storytelling advice is centered on leaning into being a villain or defying your master as part of a redemption arc. Such a strangely confident assertion.

>>96244857
>I don't recall "replace your masters" being a premise in 2e. Most of the Storytelling advice is centered on leaning into being a villain or defying your master as part of a redemption arc
Everytime 3e devs talk about Abyssals, is about how someday they will replace the Deathlords.
It is like millennials waiting for boomers to die, but the boomers are immortal.

>>96244857
Woah, a poll with 200 votes...

>>96244879
I mean it's not surprising, Solars are the core splat and the splat with the least baggage. It's like how the most popular D&D race/class combo is Human Fighter because most people are in fact basic bitches, I say being a basic bitch who prefers Solars myself.

However Infernals were definitely popular among the more involved fanbase. You couldn't take a look at the White Wolf forums' front page without seeing 3-4 Devil-Tiger homebrew threads. I don't think it was just the build your own Exalt drive that Exigents were made to capture, it was very much the Infernal story of being the guys that were meant to one and done bombs surpassing their masters, not in a way that Solars surpass the Unconquered Sun but by actually becoming a better version of the Primordials. Exigents fail to capture this element and from what I've seen 3e Infernals don't capture it either.

Infernals weren't solely the puppets of the Yozi like the Abyssals were to the Deathlords/Neverborn. The Infernals had a large amount of freedom and were showered in lavish feasts and given a bunch of authority in Hell but their power was a ticking time bomb. They weren't enslaved, they were tricked. Given a power that warped, corrupted, and eventually would kill them while the Yozi tried to get them to fuck up Creation unless they managed to break their way out first.

>>96244879
Well, we can take the backer credits of Exalted Essence as a somewhat larger popularity poll (Essence having thousands of backers); backers were allowed to choose which Exalted they wished to be represented with in the back of the book. Infernals were chosen the least out of the splats that debuted in 1e/2e.
>>96244874
>Everytime 3e devs talk about Abyssals, is about how someday they will replace the Deathlords.
I've not seen the devs talk about the Abyssals in such a manner. I think there's the mention that usurping them is an endgame possibility in Crucible of Legends, but they've also done much to make Abyssal loyalists more pleasant to play as.

Also, I'm generally uncertain as to why turning into a sort of neo-Primordial is in any way a meaningful "replacement" of the Yozi. They're stuck in prison forever; one's rebellion against them is made almost absolute by virtue of walking beyond the bounds of Cecelyne and into Creation, and turning to a neo-Primordial gives you no real authority over anything beyond that which you can claim. Killing a Deathlord and taking his empire is a more meaningful seizure of power than getting some homebrew charms on top of your Malfeas and Adorjan combat suite.

>>96245113
>Well, we can take the backer credits of Exalted Essence as a somewhat larger popularity poll (Essence having thousands of backers); backers were allowed to choose which Exalted they wished to be represented with in the back of the book. Infernals were chosen the least out of the splats that debuted in 1e/2e.
Now this works better, but my big point of contention is that this is all about the nu-infernals, not 2e infernals.
And from what I gather, they faced backlash about their portrayal; in essence, by trying to portray them as: akshtually infernals are queer punk rock rebels that fight for the proletariat and never say slurs or are transphobic.

>>96244960
Despite them aiming at devil tigers, Exigents feel like the Nth interaction of Solars, but with far less to work with and far more work needed to run.

>>96245170
Rpgnet mods had to delete the original Essence thread.

>>96244960
It's important to remember that all that homebrew was done by a dozen people and that many people want to play a game rather than being told to make a shitload of unique mechanics for every character. 3e is dying because running it is a pain in the ass and essence isn't that popular because it's kind of just lame to play.

>>96245423
At least Infernals had a lot of thematic space to work with as opposed to Exigents which as the other Anon said, basically flavorless as well as having very little to work off of. Most of the Yozi Charm sets were rather limited which helped provide a much more stable framework than Exigents just do whatever you want style. Infernals were never the most popular splat type but they did drive engagement in a way I just haven't seen Exigents do. And at least Devil-Tigers were later game instead of needing all the homebrew up front to play the game at all as your character.

>>96245423
>3e is dying
Is it, though? Or is this another "I don't like it so it must be dying" episode?

>>96245731
nta but it would be interesting to see their ks numbers compared.
if I remember correctly essence's PG had relatively low numbers with like a 100k.

>>96245731
From what I recall it's just one of those cases where a lot of people fucked off after seeing 3e corebook. Because of that every other kickstart and project looks pretty dead in comparison.

>>96245731
It is hard to say for certain, it is too insulated in the discord.
And the 3 remaining splats, aren't that popular.

>>96245754
100k what?

>>96245786
dollars

>>96245788
thank you.

>>96245731
The numbers have been dropping on kickstarter and especially the other site they use. Looking at the numbers right now sidereals hit 200k during the kickstarter and i guess 23k afterwards looking at stretch goals achieved to current rewards but abyssals and alchemicals only hit 150k with 10k being after the pledge ended. It's probably partly on not being on kickstarter but those numbers are worse than lunars and dragon blooded. DBs made 330k and lunars made 288k and I guess kickstarter changed their rules on buying after the funding period is over because those numbers didn't account for any post buyers that is the stretch goals numbers are consistent with the current numbers.

Regardless there is a clear drop in how much people are dropping into the game. A slow growing lack of interest over time.

>>96245754
Essence is actually much higher than I remember it. It's page says it's at 348k. But I never hear people talking about it.

>>96245806
Essence was very high. I was talking about the player's guide kickstarter.

>>96245818
Oh yeah. It's 112k but it's on backerkit. Backkit projects do much worse than normal kickstarters. If they didn't have dozens of them at the same time and closed them out like normal companies they wouldn't be having this issue.

>>96245767
Sure, but that "in comparison" is kind of a key phrase here, considering how wrll the corebook KS did.

>>96245796
There's also inflation, and the fact they cut the starting goal in half, from 60K of the older ones, to the current 30K.

>>96245838
It has less to do with inflation and more to do with being unsure of how much money you'll make. I'm sure their numbers are showing a much clearer picture like how many people buy a book after the kickstarter and how much of that money goes to paradox in licensing fees and stuff.

>>96245886
Sorry, I meant that the numbers are actually worse than they look.
Thanks for inflation, the original 3e kickstarter is reaching a million in the current economy.

>>96245796
I mean that's true of almost every game line for every edition. The core books are going to be the highest sellers and each splat book will sell to a smaller and smaller audience. It's why publishers release new editions. The people willing to invest hundreds and hundreds of dollars in a game is going to become more and more niche. Most people aren't going to play Abyssals, let alone Alchemicals. Solars and DBs are showing up in just about every game in comparison.

>>96245780
>it is too insulated in the discord
Apropos of nothing, but it sure is interesting how the people that always champion open borders have online communities that are invariably secluded and requires new users to be extensively vetted before they're allowed to join.

>>96246016
Sad that infernals are apparently going to be the last splat made.

>>96245836
Yeah, that's kind of what I was talking about, this game still gets more material and is played.
>>96246103
Understandable but still annoying.

>>96243988
I get where you are comming from but that is probably going to lead to a lot more fuckery and blandness.

Where do I find wood aspect charms about plant growth and manipulation?

>>96246103
On the contrary, thank God.
Let this trash edition die and let us hope for a better 4rth one.

>>96246282
>he really thinks there's going to be a 4e at this rate
What grand, intoxicating innocence.

>>96246335
There is literally no reason for there not being a 4e.
Why do you think the opposite?

>>96246345
>Why do you think the opposite?
The guys probably expects the companies involved to shit the bed and whomever buys the IP to sit on it.

>>96246439
That's a possibility but I doubt that paradox will suddenly collapse and they seem to be adamant about not selling the WoD and Exalted to Onyxpath.

>>96246688
That's because doing so would just give them a lot of material that would compete with their other stuff.

>>96246084
Anyone can join and as long as you don't harass anyone or use slurs you can stay but it's a very fucking weird place full of cliques but that's every fucking discord now.

>>96246709
Exalted doesn't compete with anything really but it makes them money. Probably more money than that abomination they call V5.

>>96246103
You mean it's the last splat they're going to kickstart or have they straight up shitcanned Getimians and Liminals?

>>96246754
>Exalted doesn't compete with anything really but it makes them money.
Probably but you know how these people are, dumb as hell.

>>96246103
So we’re just talking out our dicks now huh? Okay
Lunar were always good and only retards never liked em

>>96246103
They will be the next one.

>>96247373
There were talks about these two getting just a soft cover, but I think they are planning crowdfunding for them.

>>96247915
>talking through our dicks.
Trvth nvke, as seen herev>>96244857 Lunars were always the best erpg or gm's girlfriend splat.
They are worthless otherwise, but unbeatable in gooning.

>>96246103
I think they're talking about doing a Getimian book after Infernals, but I'm uncertain if they'll kickstart it or not. I'm hoping it comes out personally because they are promising eight fucking SMAs so even if Getimians aren't great I can still kick more ass as a Sid.

>>96247969
>unbeatable in gooning
Solars, anon.

>>96248251
No, Lunars are more adaptable, they can change the fetish at will.

>>96248340
Flawlessly Impenetrable Disguise outperforms their entire appeal.

Behold! The hottest prostitute of the First Age.

>>96248355
Solars may have excellent strike, but Lunars have age play (loli to hagmax), size (macro to micro) plays, gender bending, futanari, multi or exotic genitals, corruption, transformation, any kind of animal fetish, multi limbs, orgy/selfcest, extra long limbs/tongue, hypesize, etc... nailed down.

>>96248462
It is impossible to defeat Solars in humiliation fetishes, for taking down someone powerful and making them unable to believe that they were beaten.

>>96248512
Anon it is Lunars, nothing is more humiliated than them; in 3e, they even had to reinvent themselves twice after being beaten by Solars and the Dragon-Blooded.
The former even made them into mind broken cocksluts.

>>96248457
>Behold! The hottest prostitute of the First Age.
Wrong. Behold! The true hottest prostitute of the First Age.

>>96248462
>age play... gender bending, futanari, multi or exotic genitals... multi limbs, selfcest, extra long limbs / tongue
Flawlessly Impenetrable Disguise covers all of these and does it in one charm instead of the ~6-7 Lunars take to do the same.

>size (macro to micro) plays
You got me there, but while Lunars have easier access to smaller and larger forms, they also have upper and lower limits that Solars can exceed. If you want skyscraper-size macro play, Lunars aren't up to the task (assuming you stick to canon material).

>corruption
Don't tell me you think Lunars do corruption better than Solars. Ridiculous.

>transformation
You've got a point there, but a Lunar's ability to transform others is only faster than a Solar doing Science of Mutation style Medicine junk, not better.

>any kind of animal fetish
Maybe I don't get it. I definitely don't care. I don't think it's a large percentage of the gooner base.

>orgy
Lunars are definitely better at twincest but Solars are better at talking people into orgies.

Fact is that Lunars don't have a niche that's protected from Solar encroachment and this extends to gooning and romance with very few exceptions.

>>96248878
>Lunars are definitely better at twincest but Solars are better at talking people into orgies
Lunars can do orgies through their cloning charms

>>96248904
I said twincest but the actual term is twinning, I think.

>>96248779
I'm pretty sure Ma-Ha-Suchi did it for free, though.

Kind of funny and sad that the only non-controversial thing about Lunars is the fact that they are fetish bait.

>>96249366
It's the only non-controversial thing about them here, not necessarily elsewhere.

>>96249384
In other places, it is presented as them serving cunt, it is worded different but it is basically the same thing.

>>96235614
What can they actually do about it?

>>96249546
Pull a few threads on the Loom of Fate to arrange for a Wyld Hunt detachment to camp around the area where you land from your Mountain-Crossing Leap.

>>96249384
100% you get banned for posting fetish and sex charms to the discord. Sadly a pregnant lunar taking the knot is just too much for them to handle.

not... not the lunars, obviously. but the devs.

>>96249561
But the Solar can just jump again?

>>96249572
And yet the way they wirte Lunars blatantly panders to furries, one of the most unfathomably horny and degenerate communities the world has ever seen.

>>96249584
Do you have infinite motes? Can you go without sleep indefinitely? Are you specced to neutralize ambush attempts?

>>96249588
There are a ton of monster fucker memes on the discord too. Doesn't matter, taking the knot is just too much for them to handle. I get not wanting lunars to be into bestiality of course, but damn.

Exalted really does deserve the hentai game that it never got. Too bad making art is so hard.

>>96249614
Your wyld hunt is way too magically prepared. They are stretched insanely thin and are rather incompetently led. If you were a huge threat to the realm I could see this, but otherwise... You're sorta missing the point of the Wyld Hunt.

>>96249625
Didn't they reluctantly conceed that Launs could create beastfolk via bestiality even if they didn't say as much in the books themselves?

>>96249384
Anon they are celebrated for being "queer as fuck" and part of queer culture is being(or trying to be) promiscuous.
But it's also pure safe edgy shit so you are not allowed to actually sexualize them they are just faggots who fight heteronormativity while being big chungus wholesome while torturing and murdering bigoted TERFs.

>>96249588
Actually no, they got self conscious about furries around the turn of the millennium, Werewolf the forsaken was deliberately designed to be furry unfriendly.

Despite the Lunar's animal themes, X exalt beastmen fit better the furry needs.

>>96249642
...No? I don't think so at least. I know their big on telling people that they should do whatever weird shit they want in their games, so long as everyone at the table is okay with it. Maybe it was something like that?

>>96249561
Ehhh from what I can remember you can't read the future with the loom where charms are used as they are literally the exalted remaking fate with their power.

>>96249692
Ahh, we're just making up stuff now. No, Lunar's are the furry splat. It couldn't be clearer.
>>96249681
actual schizo. Also news flash, having fascists to kill in a game is a good thing. You need bad guys to fight.

>>96249711
One of the key domains Sidereals boast is prophecy, they literally are the Chosen of Fate.

>>96249735
You're saying that the Wyld Hunt in your games is so powerful that a Solar who can jump from one side of creation to the other has no chance of escaping them.

The amount of resources the sidereals would have to spend to hunt the solar down would be huge. It would not be as easy as "Just being there".

If the solar was actively a threat to the whole realm I could see this, but otherwise this is the silliest thing I've ever heard. You're treating the Wyld Hunt as a lose condition when it's just another element of the setting to interact with.

>>96249735
Yeah but fate is literally not written in stone in exalted nigga even the maidens didn't know if the usurpation would work.
From what I remember the loom of fate is more like a physics engine making sure creation works without bugs than an actual tool that creates destiny.
For example let's say a Solar stays in one place without using charms then his location might be scried in the loom but the loom can't predict the use of charms because their basic function is rewriting the physics of the world so it couldn't predict the use of mountain crossing technique nor where the solar would land.

>>96249641
>They are stretched insanely thin and are rather incompetently led. If you were a huge threat to the realm I could see this, but otherwise...
-Some foolish Anathema's last words

>>96249732
>Ahh, we're just making up stuff now. No, Lunar's are the furry splat. It couldn't be clearer.
Apocalypse being elected the furriest game by rpgnet did a number on them.

>Lunars are the furry splat.
When I looked for Exalted fanarts, every time I saw an exalted fursona, it was a Solaroid or DB.

>>96249796
>every time I saw an exalted fursona, it was a Solaroid or DB.
Lol That's funny.

>>96249732
>actual schizo. Also news flash, having fascists to kill in a game is a good thing. You need bad guys to fight.
TERFs aren't fascists lmao.
They are crazy lefties that disagree in one thing with trannies but I suppose that's more than enough for both groups to want to murder and dehumanize each other.

>>96249789
you treating the wyld hunt as an automatic you lose situation is just another example of people taking their own canon and forcing it upon the gameline as a whole.

The Wyld Hunt is just another thing to interact with, it's supposed to make the story more engaging while adding a threat.

Can you lose against them? Of course. Is it an automatic lose because the Wyld Hunt is after you? No. Do you have plenty of options to defend yourself against them? Yes. Can they instantly respond to threats? No, they are stretched thin and Creation is vast.

the books are very clear about this so I don't know how you fucked it up so bad.

>>96249266
He gets paid in sexual favors.

>>96249830
what in the fuck is anon talking about. exalted is a very progressive setting, get your fascist bullshit outta here. Exalted is probably the most trans friendly settings/game lines that I know of.

>>96249830
>Lol That's funny.
Lunars only appeal to furries with transformed fetish, otherwise they play beastmen or their characters wear "totally not a fursuit" artifact armor.

>>96249874
>exalted is a very progressive setting, get your fascist bullshit outta here.
What fascists bullshit lol?
Are you having some kind of schizo melty?
>Exalted is probably the most trans friendly settings/game lines that I know of.
Sure but I would say they over played their hand with this because it ironically makes the setting less diverse.
Everyone does the "Yeah I'm a murdering psycho but I would never ever say a slur." Meme.
I'm asking for internal logic for example the realm should be transphobic and invalidate sexual preferences with regards to marriage as it used to and now that the brilliant writers got rid of the excuse for DB bisexuality they should frown upon gays more harshly too.

>>96250000
anon wtf are you talking about. You're not mentally well, get help.

>>96250061
You are right the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
You are too retarded to understand my points I should stop trying to communicate with you.

>>96250092
what the fuck just happened. Did I break it? mother fucker is having a meltdown and no one even said anything.

>>96249874
>Exalted is probably the most trans friendly settings/game lines that I know of.
In 3e, metaphysically no, unless you are a Lunar.

>>96249614
It costs 5 motes and you can jump as much as you want until you stop. Sidereals can't park a wyld hunt in every possible place all at once.

>>96250135
If you're a big enough threat the realm has enough forces and resources to plot all that out, btw. Tracking you mid air, having agata out mid flight, fate charms and all that good stuff.

You'd have to be a huge threat though because massing all that for a single person would be very costly.

>>96250330
No, it doesn't.

>>96250343
Just because you think a single charm counters all of the Wyld Hunts ability to do anything to you does not make you right. It does show a huge lack of creativity from you though. Honestly, how do you know so little of the game your obsessed with.

the homebrew setting people run make it seem like the usurpation would never happen because solars jump good. It's like talking to a monkey.

>>96250376
>It does show a huge lack of headcanon from you though
Fixed that for you.

>Retards on one side think the Wyld Hunt has infinite resources and can respond instantly to any threat all across Creation.
>Retards on the other side thing a single Solar Charm is enough to completely counter the entirety of the Wyld Hunt.

I'm starting to understand why this game line is so dead. Just so much baggage from people who confuse their homebrew with canon.

>>96250376
>Just because you think a single charm counters all of the Wyld Hunts ability to do anything to you does not make you right.
In 3e it is a relatively huge investment, thanks for the piece meal design.

>>96250330
Why haven't done all that for the Bull of the North?

>>96250376
NTA but his idea makes much more sense than your counter.
You don't even understand how fate works in exalted.

>>96250400
...Do you or do you not think that a single Solar Charm is enough to always escape the Wyld Hunt?

>>96250427
Apparently it is enough since you haven't been able to bring up a viable countermeasure.

>>96250410
Being fair mountain crossing is very powerful and an easy way to run away it would be difficult to catch a Solar with it.
An honest counter would be targeting whatever the Solar cares for to force him to stay and fight or to catch him indoors.

>>96249561
>Pull a few threads on the Loom of Fate to arrange for a Wyld Hunt detachment to camp around the area where you land from your Mountain-Crossing Leap.
Didn't 3e!Sidereals lose this ability? I remember people saying that they couldn't track through the loom anymore.

>>96250416
I'm talking to actual retards. I clearly need to slow this down and talk to you like children.

Is that solar charm enough to always escape the Wyld Hunt?

Can sidereals track people using fate/destiny?

Can you track someone who's moving through the air?

Can you see how stupid it looks that a character jumps across continent 10 times in order to escape something? How unplayable a game would be if you're always jumping around like a retard?

I can't make this easier for you to understand. How is this hard for you?

>>96250478
Cue the meltdown.

>>96250478
>Can you see how stupid it looks that a character jumps across continent 10 times in order to escape something? How unplayable a game would be if you're always jumping around like a retard?
I am pretty sure there's a mythological creature/hero that just did it.

>>96250451
Mountain Crossing is the "I give up, you win" charm. Being able to escape the Wyld Hunt with it isn't even a brag. Yes, if tracking someone through the air or intercepting them midair is too hard for someone to imagine, then you can just go after their loved ones so if they jump away they lost.

Literally hundreds of options this is so fucking dumb.

>>96250488
So you concede, thank you.

>>96250478
Not answering any of these until you bring up a single viable countermeasure.

>>96250512
You already lost, just give it up. Or better yet, play a game and cry when you still have to deal with the Wyld Hunt even though you can jump real far.

You fucking moron.

>>96250451
>Being fair mountain crossing is very powerful and an easy way to run away it would be difficult to catch a Solar with it
I wonder what that anon thinks about avoidance kata or duck fate

>>96250524
Tears streaming down your face as the solar just jumps away from your wyld hunt

>>96250525
A solar with the proper resources and speed should be able to hunt a sidereal down using those charms. Wouldn't be easy though. Someone else would have to stat that out.

In 2e you would counter them by surrounding them with a barrier of some kind.

>>96250478
I'll answer your question honestly.
>Is that solar charm enough to always escape the Wyld Hunt?
I already answered that question here >>96250451
Basically it is extremely good but can be worked around just not with your ideas that contradict the setting.
>Can sidereals track people using fate/destiny?
They can but charms severely interfere with this capability meaning exalted are very difficult to find and practically impossible to predict.
>Can you track someone who's moving through the air?
A bird? yeah a Solar using a charm?
No he is rewriting fate/the physics of creation with a miracle which makes trying to track him by reading the physics of the world practically impossible.
>Can you see how stupid it looks that a character jumps across continent 10 times in order to escape something?
Could look dumb I personally think that Hulk looks cool with his massive jumps.
>How unplayable a game would be if you're always jumping around like a retard?
As I said this can be adverted by the ST by using the Solars intimacies I think a Solar would be less likely to run if his family was threatened at sword point.
>I can't make this easier for you to understand. How is this hard for you?
I understand perfectly you just refuse to listen and apply a false understanding of fate and how powerful the wyld hunt actually is.

>>96250537
You are more then welcome to try that in a game and then cry when thing don't go your way.

for non retards reading this Mountain Crossing is a good escape charm, just don't expect it to get you out of everything. If you paint a big enough target on your back there will be countermeasures - that's just how games work. You can think of plenty of examples yourselves, it's pretty damn easy too.

>>96250556
>but can be worked around

So I was right and anon was wrong, thank you. That wasn't hard. I don't know what else you're going on about and I refuse to read it. You people are fucking stupid.

>>96250566
>still nothing the realm can do to stop one jumpy boi

>>96250566
>You can think of plenty of examples yourselves, it's pretty damn easy too.
Yet you only bring up the most retarded ones that wouldn't actually work?
Lmao

>>96250590
You already lost, stop making yourself look more retarded. Even the idiots defending you admit that it can be worked around.
>>96250586
Feel free to jump away while I fuck your girlfriend, very solar of you.

>>96250618
I'll just take my girlfriend with me. You really couldn't even think of that much?

>>96250578
Lmao I'm not against you nor am I on the side of the other dude.
I just thought about both your positions and his is more legitimate.
You are right that it is not the perfect response to every situation as you can force a Solar to stay and fight but he is right that your counter of omniscient sidereals and wyld hunt with infinite resources doesn't reflect the setting.

>>96250545
>at out.
>In 2e you would counter them by surrounding them with a barrier of some kind.
Yes, this is also how you counter the rocket-frog solar.

>>96250632
He is clinically retarded.
Even when I'm spoon-feeding him how to counter mountain crossing he is too dumb to do it effectively.

>>96250636
>You are right

Thank you.

Anyways, I know people need to make stuff up but my point was that Mountain Crossing wasn't some broken charm that could make the Wyld Hunt powerless against you.

I'm not sure where the omniscient wyld hunt stuff is coming from, that's just people being a schizo. The exalted community is filled with autists though, so it's not really shocking.

>>96250632
Your girlfriend and her dog? Her house? This isn't hard retard, the point was that there is stuff you can't just carry with you when you jump away like a coward.

>>96250661
They're not on your side and think you're retarded for your plan on countering the Mountain Crossing. Or they think you're right, which means they think I'm right.

Imagine throwing a whole ass tantrum and legit making shit up just because you're upset that a single charm doesn't make the whole of the Wyld Hunt pointless.

>>96250688
>Your girlfriend and her dog? Her house? This isn't hard retard, the point was that there is stuff you can't just carry with you when you jump away like a coward.
If the girlfriend is a Sidereal, you can even take the entire city with you.

>>96250749
Now all I can picture is a whole ass city bouncing across Creation on a spring.

>>96250764
And the Wyld Hunt tearing their hair out, unable to stop it.

>>96250780
You're more then welcome to leave the game when the Wyld Hunt lands on a bouncing city Anon. That was always an option. Being autistic over a charm you like doesn't change that.

>>96250688
>I'm not sure where the omniscient wyld hunt stuff is coming from, that's just people being a schizo. The exalted community is filled with autists though, so it's not really shocking.

Well I don't know if it was you but there was a guy using the counter argument that the wyld hunt would predict you using mountain leap and where you would land and then have an army ready to intercept you there.

And that's not how things work also the question you asked also imply you think sidereals can predict the future and track a solar and I already answered why that's not how it works but you already told me you didn't read my answers.

I'm being honest here you should read my points before trying to counter them unless you are a different anon that is.

I'll redpill you on how the hunt actually used to work.
A handful of Solars would exalt across creation every once in a while the wyld hunt would hear about someone shinning like an anathema from rumors or sometimes astrological readings if they were deemed actually dangerous then a giant army would form to overwhelm the recently exalted Solar and kill them before they know what's going on with themselves.
That was the ideal and even then there are examples of Solars that slipped and accrued some power giving the hunt at it's peak a lot of trouble to kill them and yeah using hostages and other dirty tricks were regularly used.

Now in current times the hunt is a shadow of its former self most recruits have gone back to the blessed isle to get ready for the civil war for the throne they are also getting much less funding and gifted artifacts as everyone is getting ready for the aforementioned war.

Solars are coming on mass not one at a time and are likely to grow powerful enough the hunt won't be able to touch them as they have only ever fought essence 1 young Solars alone not circles of them.

>>96250820
Again, these people are not on your side. You already said I'm right, you also think that their are options for responding to Mountain Crossing. It's okay, these people are wrong and are being autistic about a charm they like.

Heck, maybe sidereals don't have charms in any edition to track or predict where people are going. You seem pretty confident that none of the tools available to the wyld hunt would let them do that, even against the biggest threats that Creation face. That doesn't really matter either.

Remember, you said I was right. To the other anons, you're more then welcome to leave whatever game you're in when the ST does something when you keep jumping all over Creation.

>>96250908
>Again, these people are not on your side.
I'm the anon that's not in either side.
Sidereals can track people that's perfectly reasonable they can't predict when a solar will use his leap or where he will end up those are two different things.
The problem you ignore is that charms fuck with fate they rewrite it so predicting the actions of Solars is an exercise in futility you can predict it but they will rewrite your prediction on a whim the loom will immediately rearrange to accommodate this new future created by the use of the charm.
As I said the loom is a physics engine it makes sure that for example gravity works as it's intended or that seasons pass as they are supposed to but once a human exalts they can shape what the loom shows with casual use of charms and the loom can't predict those changes.
Anon you are both right but in different ways I dunno how hard is that to understand.

>>96251000
>Sidereals can track people that's perfectly reasonable
I heard that they removed this ability in 3e

>>96251015
It's unnecessary with their charmset. They can track and find people easily.

>>96251000
That's a lot of words to just restate that the wyld hunt has ways to respond to Mountain Crossing. Which these autists think you're stupid for thinking. Good to know that you also think sidereals are also capable of tracking people. You're learning.

>>96251026
Is Mountain Crossing instant teleportation or do you, you know, jump through the air to get to where you're going?

>>96251073
You jump through the air.

>>96251072
You have three different people telling you you're wrong about all this you retard. MCL is a great charm, it can help you get away from a lot of stuff. It's not the be-all end-all of escape charms that makes it so you can do whatever you want without worry of the Wyld Hunt.

>The wyld hunt is either omniscient or utterly powerless and ineffective.

This isn't hard.

>>96251054
From what I understand the point of contention was how to counter it and reading the looms is not how to do it nor is relying on overwhelming resources the hunt doesn't have.
That's my simple point as I said mountain crossing is very good and will allow you to escape in most situations.
I have literally not moved from my starting point.

MCLT doesn't actually specify a non-range-band movement speed, so you need to make that up, but just with normal Sidereal stuff you can summon a Lesser Elemental Dragon to fly after the Solar at 500mph, use Jumping Spider Strike to flash step over to the Solar and kick them in the back of the head for +10 damage and possibly a free ambush while they're jumping or use Sid Thrown plus Three-Body Trilemma to swap the Solar's position back to the middle of their pile of dragonbloods.

The Loom in 3e is no longer a creation-wide panopticon, although its actual capabilties are not disrupted by Essence use because everything is made of Essence, you won't blow up random bits of fate by using Solar charms nearby.

You'd need to use the actual Sidereal charmset's divining tools to locate a Solar at a great distance, which would seem doable with stuff like Of Truths Best Unspoken (introduce fact relevant to the near future, using the knowledge of a historical savant in the future rather than your own), Efficient Secretary Technique (obtain information as long as people haven't taken efforts to conceal it, which your glowing gold man arcing across the sky probably isn't), the explicitly-allowed evocations for EST or the deebs in the Hunt just using Wind-Carried Words to communicate with other deebs wherever.

They can also tag you with Dark-Winged Watcher and get a third-person view of you for many days, or use Inevitable Pursuit to track you for weeks even with no physical trace. There are counters to most of these, but you do need to go get them and properly employ them.

>>96251054
The easiest way to respond is to just have an elder sidereal burn someone's soul to produce a 500MPH dragon and have every archer just target them from a decent range. I honestly just got into this conversation but there are ways to deal with it. Though I hate MCL though, it's a terribly written charm. I have no idea how far 3 range bands actually translate to.

>>96251093
Well, good thing no one in exalted has super vision. that shit is for superman and the comic books. Imagine thinking you can track someone jumping through the air. i can't even fathom.

oh and the obvious. The most obvious actually.

Running away makes your character a giant pussy and solars aren't pussies.

>>96251117
putting in actual effort isn't worth the effort. That's really great to know though, thank you.

>>96251118
>Though I hate MCL though, it's a terribly written charm. I have no idea how far 3 range bands actually translate to.
It is because like Riot over /V/, exalted devs keep underestimating mobility, kitting and CC.

>>96251117
So nothing even close to what the seething wyld hunt fanboy actually suggested.

>>96251196
It's okay to admit you're wrong anon. I'm happy you finally conceded however.

>>96251124
>Running away makes your character a giant pussy and solars aren't pussies.
I mean that depends Solars aren't dumb either the point is to hook them with something they are willing to die for.
But this could also backfire and forever mark you as the mortal enemy of a Solar with nothing left to lose.

>>96251124
>Okay, they can run away and the Wyld Hunt can't do shit to stop them... b-but they'd look like a pussy!

>>96251187
I just mean that like I hate how combat starts and suddenly it's like a jrpg and the entire screen changes and we are now in a completely different space. in previous editions meters were meters and I get that meters are annoying to track but it's easier to track meters and how far everyone is away from each other than to use goddamn range bands which get fucking awful the moment you have more than 2 people in a fight.

>>96251224
Oh yes, for sure. Let's not forget that the Wyld Hunt massing those kinds of forces against you would mean you've already made yourself a huge threat because they just don't have the resources to throw at every potential solar that pops up. A Solar messing around and doing whatever they want while jumping all over creation would be a wildly different story.

Although, apparently even normal sidereal stuff can summon a dragon that flies at 500mph so maybe they need to invest less then I thought.

>>96251242
Range bands are great though, what do you mean. They feel a bit too simple at times but they still feel good to play with. It's great to not worry about exact numbers and feels more magical.

>>96251263
Sure but that's an essence 5 charm.
If that's the case a solar can summon a chariot of the sun that travels even faster.

>>96251282
It does not feel so great when you have to determine the location of 10 different people and their location to each other when they are spread out around the area.

>>96251301
Chariot of the Sun doesn't exist in 3e and a solar facing a wyld hunt will usually be dealing with several before E5.

You can also just... stand next to the Solar, they need to Disengage from enemies in close range before they can trigger MCL and it's a Simple charm, so that takes at least two turns as you can't flurry it.

The E2 hypervelocity dragon summon in Bureaucracy does tend to get the Sidereal in hot water if they spam it for unimportant tasks, which Wyld Hunting generally qualifies as unless the Solar is really fucking up fate/destiny/the local gods, but they have other options (and at E5 they can use Riding The Dragon, which has no such political considerations if you thought to grab a disposable familiar on the way there).

>>96251304
Not trying to be mean but, how so? They're within range bands of each other, normally that's really fast to resolve. Do you mean as in, a precise location on the map?

Exalted is a narrative system, you have the range bands for the idea of where they are and then write if they're standing on a crate or by a building. I'm just wondering what sorts of issues you've ran into with it.

>>96251316
Yeah but you are bringing up essence 5 sidereals to the field and those guys are both extremely rare and very busy.
And that we haven't seen the chariot in 3e yet it doesn't mean it doesn't exists.
We barely have a handful of Solars level spells in 3e.

>>96251327
Disengaging from dragon fodder isn't exactly a tall order.

>>96251340
The issue happens when people spread out and each character's spatial distance from each other is relative to their position. Simple example If someone is hitting the group from a roof while other people are attacking and certain characters are middle range from that roof and others are long range you determining which who's were for the archer to decide who to hit can be annoying. Now multiply that but several archers and several people. Suddenly you have to find where every character is in location to each other. A map with range bands can help but it's annoying to use.

The whole point of the Wyld Hunt being in its current state is so a ST can basically pull out whatever difficulty Wyld Hunt they want out of their ass. If they just want some DBs to get their ass kicked a really underfunded Wyld Hunt shows up with a few hundred soldiers and like 3 Outcastes. If they want the Wyld Hunt to drop the hammer they can say the Realm has funded this one really well due to X, Y, or Z with multiple Size 5 Battlegroups, full Artifact kits, and proper Sidereal support or whatever. The Wyld Hunt is a deliberately nebulous danger that can be scaled to whatever the ST wants it to be.

>>96251301
You're a pretty big threat if you're dealing with a sidereal with access to essence 5 charms. They need those for the important and dangerous people. A solar out on the outskirts of the realm who just takes over a whole city isn't going to have to deal with that.

Well, maybe one would check it out. Point is a dedicated anti-solar team made to hunt you specifically doesn't just happen. They plan for it after keeping track of you for awhile. Chances are the first ones you fight won't even know they're after a solar. They probably think you're just a demon or something and come in way under prepared.

>>96251433
Wyld hunts typically field a Sidereal against solars. It's not a remotely uncommon situation.

>>96251453
I get that. I just don't see the sidereal being called until they're sure it's a solar though. And when the sidereal is called they're going to do recon and then plan out exactly how to engage the threat.

If they had the resources they would hit an essence 1 solar the moment they popped up, they just can't do that. Even if they do verify it there are bigger threats closer to important areas then what you are.

The wyld hunt is a big threat but if the solar plays it smart he's going to win in the long run. And the short run, even.

>>96251433

Sids can drop a dragon on your head at E2, if you cause enough trouble to Heaven's plans that the Celestial Censor they just summoned agrees you need to be handled. Beating up random dragonbloods and taking over some tiny threshold city in the middle of nowhere probably doesn't qualify, though going full Lyta or being an Abyssal/Infernal probably would in a lot of places, since it's mentioned that one of the Censors in particular is extremely down with the whole Smiting Enemies of Fate thing.

Sidereals are conceptually what Solars are promised to be but never where, and never will be because the developers at White Wolf where always hacks. This does exclude the bullshit 2.5e charms that mostly hinge off of Wyld Shaping, but that's about it.

Sidereals ride the concept of warping fate. IE basically controlling reality. They do it sorta esoterically, but that's really what it is. They bypass all the pray to gods bullshit and have the ability to warp fate to their whim as a baseline ability. They also default play in actual heaven, where the ability to interact with the actual meaningful movers and shakers of the setting makes their actions way more meaningful then whatever landfill dump you visit in Creation.
Their abilities are all mostly interesting unique shit and not just number pumpers.

Solars as the hyped up shit in all the books? Never existed, in no edition - ever. Enjoy your number pumpers, and maybe Sorcery at Essence 5.

It cannot be overstated just how little of a shit White Wolf had when making Exalted. The general attitude of "Somebody else will fix it" or "Its not my job to think through the ramifications of what I write" is all pervasive.

The only reason it became popular at all is people latched onto the combo mechanics and its promised concepts and just willfully ignored its shitty everything.

As for what the fuck the Wyld hunt actually has an can do:

Fucking anything. Fraud developers thought out precisely 0% of anything. Their assumption was that you would change whatever you wanted to fit "The story". The idea that a cohesive setting being actually important to a good story never came to their pretentious minds.

Discussing any setting element of Exalted seriously is like discussing the economic policy of the red queen from wonderland.

>>96252510
... Yeah I see where you are coming from.

>>96252546
The Wyld Hunt being inconsistent makes sense given how the Real is nearing a succession war.

>>96252655
Bullshit retroactive justification. I don't mean inconsistent in terms of "Oh we can spare 100 Soldiers instead of 1,000"

I mean "How the fuck do people that can singlehandedly kill a circle of Essence 1-3 Solars in about 15 minutes with the ability to predict and make the future, ever fuck this up?"
And the answer is: Sidereal capabilities where made up later after Grabowski just pushed for raised power levels.

Stop giving White Wolf credit. Stop doing their jobs for them. They never viewed their audience with respect deserving of well edited and cohesive content, so don't run defense squad for people that viewed you with contempt.

>>96252701
I am amzed at how you are able to read people's minds despite never meeting them, just from reading the works of disparate people. Truly you must be a 200IQ genius to spend your time here. Admit this is your own bitterness bleeding in and lets work to remove it.

>>96252701
Bruh, I get that writing is a card pyramid but as poorly planned as it was the end result is playable if you exercise the bare minimum control as an ST.

>>96252762
No I'm a moron wasting my time here venting.
And as for reading mind: Those are the developers fucking commentary. Reading the Exalted developers logic really opened my eyes to just how little of a shit they gave. They are a disparate group, but thats what Editorial is supposed to be about. Keeping them together coherently. But White Wolf is too fucking cool for that.

And yeah, it is my bitterness. Bitterness of ever getting suckered into this unfinished trainwreck. You can fix it by going back in time and telling me that my first Exalted impression as a miserable contrarian work of dump was correct and to never propose it for game night and play something else.

>>96252776
Its playable, but its not to its credit, but the credit of a individually good ST. There is a reason why Exalted is called a hard game to run, and its not because of its power level (which for all its hype, defaults to D&D level 5-12), but because White Wolf are not good.

I can leave, and you guys can go back to cyclical arguments about how the Wyld hunt actually operates based off of powers and abilities that developers wrote in a vacuum.

>>96252836
You are not wrong that the process of creating them was a complete shit show. The thing is how that is pretty irrelevant in practice and "just what you should expect" from the company who made this . As much as people enjoy Exalted it's not because it is a cohesive game world or ruleset, they like individual points and concepts that almost never are shown in game.

>>96252510
Solars were always flawed from the theme of being perfect and golden and nothing else. Lunars got shafted even harder by being Werewolves instead of Lunars. Sidereals had an insane charmset made by someone with a vision. It needed balance fixes but it's always been the most coherent of the main charmsets.

4e really needs to remove the idea that solars are the embodiment of perfection because that just leads to them being the dice trick exalt.

>>96252915
They could lean into the Light, Law, and Leadership angle but what would that even look like?

>>96252925
Remove Castes for Solars, allow them to choose skill to Favor instead.

amazing how the guy went from saying the mechanics support his side to having a meltdown about how terrible the game has always been. Takes a special mind.

>>96252915
3e sidereals have your favorite charm set?

>>96252915
>4e really needs to remove the idea that solars are the embodiment of perfection because that just leads to them being the dice trick exalt.
Presuming that they actually decide to mess around with their themes, the Solars in a shit situation because their themes are Humanity, Rulership and Virtues and at the end of the day you would need to refocus and trim a lot of their shit to make them work differently.

>>96252906
>they like individual points and concepts that almost never are shown in game.
I know! And it hurts me to see people going around in circles chasing after these dreams that where promised and never delivered.

>>96252915
>4e really needs to remove the idea that solars are the embodiment of perfection because that just leads to them being the dice trick exalt.
Solars are embodiments of humanity in a setting where humanity is worth figuratively and literally less then dinosaur piss.

The problems with Exalted aren't splat power based. Powers and such bullshit are all relative to setting. Exalted needs a fundamental rework of its setting.
There are many directions where one could take Solars, or individual Exalts, but that requires not some bitch to make up new powercreep powers for her new toy. It requires vision AND RESTRAINT.
The OG Sidereal charmset makes just as little sense as the OG Solar charmset, its just powercrept where the Solar charmset is lame.

>>96252925
If you wanted that to be their main thing you would end up with a lot of Fae like environmental manipulation and conditional boosts.
At that point you are playing a summer Changeling from Lost rather than an Rounded up version of an Imbued.

>>96252925
Light could be their physical aspect. Combat athletics, stealth etc. Law would be their mental aspect in the sense that that it is how they rework things with wyld shaping, occult, awareness. Leadership their social aspect.

>>96252949
So far yes. Abyssals is okay but it suffers from having to be as good as solars at everything and alchemicals have some of my favorite charms but their overall kits kind of basic.

>>96252960
>Humanity, Rulership and Virtues
Its a setting where humanity is worthless, collective power is near nonexistent (so kingdoms and organizations are useless), and its actively a setting made to denigrate subvert and deconstruct virtue.
Who knew that the heroes based off of that turn out pretty fucking lame?

>>96252915
4E need to be made with all kinds of Exalted in mind at the outset with no others added in afterwards at any point. Decide at the start who the players are going to be given. Pick Solar, Sidereal, Dragonblood, and Infernal. And never think about adding Alchemical or Lunar after the fact.

>>96252993
Anon. Your brain-poison is leaking out of its container. Put it back inside before you post.

>>96252976
As much as it matters my two favorite splats aren't in the game and I doubt they ever will be. Nocturnals in 3e would be so cool.

>>96252949
>amazing how the guy went from saying the mechanics support his side
I'm a different guy.

I don't have a "Side". There is nothing to "support". The Wyld hunt is objectively supposed to be able to do whatever the fuck. So as little or as much as the "Story" needs, with no thought given to cohesion.

>>96252971
>And it hurts me to see people going around in circles chasing after these dreams that where promised and never delivered.
That's because other systems quite simply can hit the right note for what Exalted is going for. They're not even aiming in the same cardinal direction most of the time even when taking on similar stuff, like God bound iirc.
In a way people are just stuck with Exalted as the least ship option to play fantasy World of Darkness without having to write their own book, it can be fun but it takes much more effort than it should.

>>96253013
Nocturnals took a bit for me to warm up to but I liked them in the end. It sucks that there's no 3e version of them but I can't expect a fan creator to just work on a full splat for free. Getimians are so terrible and so blatantly stolen the only reason no one says anything is because the devs promised they don't read fanwork. Despite the fact that they do or else vance would never be a line writer now. It pisses me off that they are so terrible at lying.

>>96253002
I think a hypothetical Ex4 would benefit from a charmset that only has generic universal charms like what you see in ExEss and then a Solar splatbook would be published first or, ideally, simultaneously.

Solars are greatly hurt by having no in game lore or reason to give aa fuck about them and a lot of that comes down to the fact that the core book needs to worldbuild.

>>96252510
>Sidereals are conceptually what Solars are promised to be but never where, and never will be because the developers at White Wolf where always hacks. This does exclude the bullshit 2.5e charms that mostly hinge off of Wyld Shaping, but that's about it.
This is because they intentionally power creeped official Solars, and expected the fans to rework their Solars in turn.
According to Rebecca, the canon Solar charmset is the homebrewer that we made along the way.

>>96253033
>That's because other systems quite simply can hit the right note for what Exalted is going for.
I know. I'm here too after all.
But I guess a part of me feels like if we just kinda realized that base Exalted is shit and started from scratch instead of "Tweaking the power level of [x splat]" something new would happen.
Instead we are like in orbit around a black hole.

>>96253036
The only bad thing about it, imo, is it opens things up to multiverse bullshit. It does however give several options for NOT having a multiverse, which are auto includes and very nice to have. Nox is awesome though.

>>96253044
Yup. That's Exactly what I mean by the developers of White Wolf being cunts with no respect for their audience.

>>96252993
The ONLY consistent theme of every edition is that collective power is stronger than the strongest solars.

>>96253061
I just don't like the idea of a character who's a tulpa and making things that don't exist real. We already have the fairfolk for that.

>>96253037
The thing is that with all the other shit going on the rebirth of the Solars isn't all that noteworthy.
>>96253037
The "ideal" version of Exalted would probably be a mix of Essence and ExWoD philosophies. Charms having actual levels would prevent the blood necessary to make this even vaguely balanced.
Then again we have a Mage like edition who theoretical solves most of this bullshit but I don't know much about it.

>>96252546
It's really fundamentally a problem with how Exalted releases things. They publish the Core with Solars but you need at least DBs and Sidereals figured out because they are the primary antagonists. They've described fluff wise how the Wyld Hunt can range in effectiveness but there's no mechanical backing to that. Ideally you'd have a Wyld Hunt strike force at the low end and high end statted out in the Core book for STs to look at and figure out how hard they want to go, but that would require having DB/Sidereal power levels and Charms figured out at least conceptually.

>>96253037
Why not? Exalted Core would the worldbuilding and examples of how one could run an adventure using beings empowered by Essence and how Charms are expressions of said power.
Make it setting-agnostic for the true flex.

Then splats afterward would give different flavors of empowered beings alongside new lands.


Hold on a fucking minute.
Someone list me off the canon Exalted types they know off by edition. I think I'm losing my head.

>>96253086
Oh it just depends. We have Oramus and his vault of impossible things, the Well of Urd and dead and dreaming gods. Along with Calibration where what is reality gets all funky.

I'm just happy we have multiple options for them.

>>96252804
Just log off bro, no one is making you come to these generals.

>>96253089
That's the problem that a Solar splatbook would address. They're one of a dozen groups of glowing assholes with exactly nothing to set them apart from any of the others. Even Getimians do the whole "Exalts that have been sealed away since before living memory" as well.

>The "ideal" version of Exalted would probably be a mix of Essence and ExWoD philosophies
Interesting idea. Could you expound on this?

>>96253116
>1E
Solars, Lunars, Sidereals, Dragonblooded and Abyssals, Alchemicals

>2e
As above, with Infernals thrown into the mix

>Ex3
Getimians, Liminals, and a billion kinds of Exigents have been added.

>>96253037
I'm not a fan of essence's generic charmset. At the very least, the dev cycle would make sense to test the system. Make the weakest charms first. Test those then test everyone else's before releasing them all at once. Then you have splat books that give you artifacts and other accessories that you don't immediately need to run a game.

Ideally, I'd prefer dragon blooded to be based around group play and team work. Solars lunars and sidereals would be individualistic but all have their pros and cons. Solars I'd make in certain areas better than lunars and sidereals. While slightly weaker in other areas. It's important to make them all unique rather than focusing on powerscaling though. Also, solars need something other than that godawful bullshit they have in 3e. Which just ruins games because it destroys all game balance. Why were the original devs such retards?

>>96253174
Essence is incredibly boring.

>>96252701
>Sidereal capabilities where made up later after Grabowski just pushed for raised power levels.
According to 1e opening core fiction, both the gold and bronze factions could divinate it, it was already planned to a degree.

I am not sure how much, since the Sidereals pages from making of exalted, weren't posted here.

It is possible that it was a lack of foresight from the devs

>>96252701
Forgot to mention.

>Stop giving White Wolf credit
I did some time ago, the pedestal was first cracked by Beast.

>>96252762
Anon, we have they comments in forums and development blogs.
And also Making of Exalted, which clarified some of their bulshit

>>96252935
>Man, this car isn't handling well. What do I do?
>"I know, just remove the wheels and steering column! The doors and windshield should go too!"

>>96253146
>Could you expound on this?
It's just the easiest path I can see the game taking to eliminate charm bloat. A core set of charms that every Exalted can learn and then each of the subdivisions gets their own stuff organized in tiers, do you don't need to balance charms by making 13 useless prerequisite charms to buy what you actually want.
>>96253146
>They're one of a dozen groups of glowing assholes with exactly nothing to set them apart from any of the others
Their gimmick is supposed to be something along the lines of "anything a normal person can do I can make a super power version of that" so a Gardener feeds a dozen legions with a single fruit basket while a Smith arms them and builds Talos on the side.

>>96252804
>But White Wolf is too fucking cool for that.
Yes, they are too far up in their own asses, they couldn't even see D&D outside of their strawman.

>miserable contrarian work of dump
This is just how White Wolf games are born, when they aren't some fanfic of course.

>>96253192
>According to 1e opening core fiction, both the gold and bronze factions could divinate it, it was already planned to a degree.

Just so you know how unplanned the setting was: The fact that Sidereals could not just divine but CONTROL the future wasn't developed until their own book years later. Nor that they lived in heaven. Nor that you always forgot who they where.
There where previews of their abilities in the Storytellers guide, and NONE of that shit was there.

>>96253146
>>1E
>Solars, Lunars, Sidereals, Dragonblooded and Abyssals, Alchemicals
>
>>2e
>As above, with Infernals thrown into the mix
>
>>Ex3
>Getimians, Liminals, and a billion kinds of Exigents have been added.

I was way off. Thought Alchemicals were 2E only, and Infernals were in 1E. And thought Nocturnals were canon. Going to re-read the list of sourcebooks.

>>96253229
>anything a normal person can do I can make a super power version of that
The issue is that normal people are muggles in Exalted. So 100X0.01 is just 1. Wheras the sidereal concept is controlling fate, so their base toolkit lets them control entire nations by just filling in some paperwork.

>>96252915
>Solars were always flawed from the theme of being perfect and golden and nothing else
The soft "no outright supernatural power" screwed them.

>>96253239
Yes, it was weird reading the caste books, since they operated on outdated lore.

>>96253251
Siderials are as bullshit as mages, news at 11.

>>96253251
You need to stop choking on Sidereal cock. It's choking off bloodflow to your brain. Also makes me question how much of a carpet your ST was to let you control nations without any blowback.

>>96253274
>The soft "no outright supernatural power" screwed them.
If you want more clearly supernatural stuff you can always mirror the Abyssal powers. Stuff like Cryptbolt or Armor summons.

>>96253052
>But I guess a part of me feels like if we just kinda realized that base Exalted is shit and started from scratch instead of "Tweaking the power level of [x splat]" something new would happen.
>Instead we are like in orbit around a black hole.
This is because of instead of mixing blue and yellow to make green, the devs threw red, blue and yellow paints at the wall expecting the wall to turn green.
Exalted has a lot of inspirations, but these inspirations weren't or just don't mix well.

>>96253291
I have come to terms that the people that can't admit to how genuinely shit Exalted is designed, and go into defense squad bullshit, are the people that are autistic munchkins and care only for number pumping muggle smashing, or the sorts of people that compartmentalize information so they exist in a state of perpetual bliss while ignoring whatever they dislike, while believing their mental image is the actual product that exists.

So I guess your the target audience for Exalted. Enjoy.

>>96253331
Indeed. Either you have complicated meaningful economic systems and gritty lowerscale adventures, or magic just does everything so factions like The Guild shouldn't even get write ups at all (in fact mortals shouldn't get any write ups at all, and the main interaction should be between gods only).

Reign is sort of a interesting study in de-mixing Exalted. One Reign setting has super-wizards just innately better and ruling over muggle humans.
Another has very interesting magic, but still reigns it in so that the focus is on human nations. And another setting has you just play as gods, so human actors just get a page of descriptions.

>>96253335
Amazed you could infer all that from someone telling you to stop sucking off Sidereals. Please continue to reveal that you just don't like Exalted at all and are here just to bitch and moan and get replies.

>>96253146
>That's the problem that a Solar splatbook would address. They're one of a dozen groups of glowing assholes with exactly nothing to set them apart from any of the others. Even Getimians do the whole "Exalts that have been sealed away since before living memory" as well
Solars ended up lost because of it, the devs deliberately erased the Solar presence in the setting, and created other splats to steal their thunder.

Exigents are a second set of Conky's chosen.

>>96253368
>Please continue to reveal that you just don't like Exalted at all
What tipped you off genius? The fact that I actually said that? Im not "revealing" anything because Im stating the blatantly obvious out loud.

This is vent therapy for me. I DESPISE Exalted, but at one point in time I really liked it. But I realized its more a meme and scam then an actual game.

>>96253368
I think the point being made is that like the technocracy they're not supposed to be omnipotent despite how bullshit they are.

>>96253174
>Also, solars need something other than that godawful bullshit they have in 3e. Which just ruins games because it destroys all game balance. Why were the original devs such retards?
Are you talking about supernal? The idea was so Solars could be a huge deal from the get go, and allow the players to reach the capstones easier.
In practice it cause a lot of problems in design

>>96253392
Then get a trip so I can filter you out and actually talk to real people instead of a bugman whose only reason to live is prevent other people from trying to make something broken better.

>>96253313
Copying another splat homework doesn't really fix the problem.

>>96253361
The lack of proper power balance causes narrative issues, like "the Realm is capable of matching the guild!"

>>96253392
>This is vent therapy for me. I DESPISE Exalted, but at one point in time I really liked it. But I realized its more a meme and scam then an actual game.
I understand you, the idea of a white wolf game is always better than the implementation.

>>96253472
>Copying another splat homework doesn't really fix the problem
The core problem still exists but doing so would aliviate a lot of the bullshit cause by making most of the Solar stuff Herculean tricks.

>>96253482
True, playing them is mostly a matter of what you can overlook or change at the table level.

>>96253440
Yes. Supernal. I've never seen a game collapse faster than when a solar game is proposed and then the ST has no way of handling a bunch of E1 exalts who can nuke a mountain. That long term games are hard to run for exalted means you should fix the balance and streamline a high end level of play. not completely destroy it and tell STs to just deal with it. I could go on and on about QC but I'm so sick of it.

>>96253089
>The "ideal" version of Exalted would probably be a mix of Essence and ExWoD philosophies.
What about Quixalted?

Has anyone seen Sandact or QEanon around lately by the way?

>>96253613
>What about Quixalted?
I'm just not that familiar with it. From what I read it's fine but I didn't get a decent grasp of how the charms would work at the table.

>>96228572 (OP)
welp, seems abyssals is out this week

>>96253002
>Pick Solar, Sidereal, Dragonblood, and Infernal. And never think about adding Alchemical or Lunar after the fact.
Why would they do that when Infernals are much less popular than Lunars or Alchemicals?

>>96254356
Just make animal transformation and sex changes into terrestrial sorcery, and make the bound a thing between Sidereals/Solars, and you will kill Lunars' popularity.

>>96253002
minimistfags really are the worst parts of any fanbase

>>96254462
>minimistfags
Who?

>>96244960
I can see why a certain subset of the fandom might like it; there are compelling elements buried under the slipshod production and poor guidance on how to play them as anything but what your grandma thought D&D players did during the Satanic Panic.
>>96245170
>akshtually infernals are queer punk rock rebels that fight for the proletariat and never say slurs or are transphobic.
That's how most people played Infernals in the 2e days, though.

>>96254741
>That's how most people played Infernals in the 2e days, though.
Sure but there is a big difference between being a rebel good guy fighting against what most infernals are than just be told that that's actually what infernals are meant to be even by the yozi.

>>96253014
Wyld Hunt can do whatever it needs to without threatening setting cohesion in any way, though. Like, the game starting at a time when the Empress has gone missing and the Realm's gearing up for civil war is, presumably, so that there's a clear in-setting justification for the Realm's responses to troublemaking Anathema in the Threshold being very varied. That's thought given to cohesion right there.

>>96254494
people who believe that paring down and removing elements of things will lead to better quality no matter what are fags for minimalism, or minimistfags for short

>>96253335
Consider the possibility that your specific criticism of Exalted might just be mistaken and poorly thought out.

>>96252915
>Solars were always flawed from the theme of being perfect and golden and nothing else.
No, that's their strength. It's always been their strength that their charms are based on human feats taken to higher extremes rather than on arbitrary and more specific concepts symbolic of their archetype in the greater narrative. The fact that their charms are essentially sequences of the more mundane feats and merits from other games is a strong point in the splat's favor, it makes it possible for people to grasp them and understand how they scale up.

>>96255051
When you're choking on your own bloat, yes, cutting the fat to something manageable is required. Less Charms that expand upon Charms, more repurchases of already-held Charms.

>>96256254
A true minimalist would say we should remove charms altogether and use something more like Godbound's freeform miracle system.

>>96256359
Like how Quincunx handled it or how Monte Cook does powers?

>>96255254
Oh, how do you explain fusing with someone shadow to control them?

>>96256840
That would be a jank way of making shadow puppets into a power, that sounds like it would work better as a spell rather than a solar charm even when you lay out the reasoning.

>>96256840
I would explain it by saying that 3e is the worst version of Exalted and written by utter hack fanfic authors ascended only by producer approval. They took some of the worst parts of 2.5e through with them into 3e when they wrote the corebook and Solar charms deviating more strongly from their core conceit was one of those things.

>>96257892
Can you at least pretend that you are being objective instead of wearing your hatred on your sleeve and discrediting any opinion you may have as that of a small-brained incel?

>>96258170
Please understand, reading "cup boils over" gave physical pain to a good chunk of the fanbase.
And the less said of DMP the better.

>>96258337
I'm going to assume thats a 3E charm. Give me a month to read 3e core and I'll get back to you.

>>96258479
It is the infamous "kill with a letter" charm.

>>96258529
From its name alone I assumed it invoked involuntary rage on the targe, maybe focusing them onto a target of the Solar's choosing.

>>96258547
I think the original devs only made the Sidereals' charm names be related to their functions, otherwise is a random word salad.

>>96258529
>>96258547
Driving someone into a suicidal depression sounds like the type of shit Solars should be capable of, what's wrong with the charm in practice?

>>96258579
>random word salad
Not gonna lie most charm names feel like this to me.

>>96258591
Here's the raw print
>
Cup Boils Over
Cost: 1m; Mins: Linguistics 5, Essence 3
Type: Simple
Keywords: Written-only
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Mind-Swallowing Missive, Voice-
Caging Calligraphy
The Lawgiver pens a soul-shattering missive, convicting
her subject he leads a pointless existence. This Charm can
only be directed at a specific target. Roll the Exalt’s ([Charisma
or Manipulation] + Linguistics), rerolling 6s until
6s fail to appear. If she beats her target’s Resolve, his soul
falls off and sinks directly into lethe. This Charm only
targets characters who have unintelligibly abstruse Intimacies
or no Intimacies at all; however, its effect depends
on such an unfulfilled soul’s yearning for purpose and
meaning—characters who are incapable of feeling (such
as the soul-eaten victims of the Fair Folk) are not valid
targets for this Charm.
>
The problem lies in the fact that is 1) an insta-kill and 2) it's trigger conditions are... something indeed.
>characters who have unintelligibly abstruse Intimacies or no Intimacies at all
No idea what the intent with that was.

>>96254408
Nope.

>>96254356
Alchemicals exist in their own spin-off series like the various Gundam series; Lunars can get fucked unless they go back to five castes and become "Solars, but white"

>>96258726
>MURDERHOBO BAD MUST PREVENT MURDERHOBO
Every change in 2e is a result of getting mad that bad players exist. Theoretical players who white room about rape camps that they can just filter out. AS IF A BAD PLAYER EVEN CARES ABOUT A RULE OR MAKING OTHERS FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.

I hate these devs so much.

>>96258752
>Lunars can get fucked unless they go back to five castes and become "Solars, but white"
I don't think this is the right fix, Lunars were never meant to have 5 castes, only 3; the lost of them only existed to justify the tattoos.

>>96258797
Anon. Your're sperging out. Get yourself under control and use your words.

>>96258892
Go back to 1/2e and strip the Lunars from existence. What changes would be wrought that in-filling them with another Solar or Heroic Mortal could not counteract? Let the Solars rape each other.

>>96258726
What's funny is that this could probably be reworked into an Abyssal charm but in reality it was so shit that AByssals have nothing like it.

>>96258924
>Let the Solars rape each other.
Anon it isn't the same, it would be like having an A/B/Omegaverse with only alphas.

>>96258961
Shouldn't even be a Charm. Make it a Sorcery instead to justify its worth.

>>96258988
I sort of like hung shemales raping each other and never submitting.
Fine then. Solars can rape Dragonblooded and mortals. Make sure that the Anatheamas legacy is cemented with stories of their infinite carnal appetites and the men, women, and children sacrificed to their altar.

>>96259015
>spoilers.
I am pretty sure this is just how the dreanei works

NEW THREAD!

>>96259058
>>96259058

>>96259066
I will continue my Infernal as replacement for Infernal posting in the next thread ¬D¬

>>96259066
Thanks.