Thread 96229331

>>96229331 (OP)
Crusoy

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Seeth

You already made this thread, word for word and the same picture
Please attempt to be original if you want to continue the same discussion over and over, it's insulting for you to think I don't browse this place 24/7

Why do leftoids love iron crosses so much? Trench Crusade and Warhammer feature it everywhere and they're woke as shit. I thought their side called it a hate symbol.

>>96229331 (OP)
"Guys look, we are so grimdark and grey moral and everyone is evil and covered in mud! see, we are better than warhammer!"

>>96231836
>the religious guys that fight against literal demons from hell?
>nay they're not the good guys, shades of grey!

>>96231836
>>96231917
uhhh acktually le heckin' wholesome 100 chungus Muslims love science and reason and have an invincible wall so they never lose and they look down and laugh at the dumb idiot christians who fucked everything up

Both trench crusade and warhammer 40k are reddit trash for manchildren
Start reading literature

Lel, are 40k troons seething about some flavor of the month dead on arrival meme wargame again?

>>96233634
>Start reading literature
What do you suggest? I'm genuinely asking.

>>96234641
I'm not whom you are asking, but:
Childhood's End by Clarke

>>96235050
Thanks!

>>96234641
Starship Troopers by Robert A Heinlein. Basically Warhammer copy this book and Dune to make 40K. Then threw fantasy races in and gave them guns and random sci-fi shit to make it make sense.

>>96234641
Ivanhoe by Walter Scott
Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe
The Faerie Queen by Edmund Spenser

>>96233592
>uhhh acktually le heckin' wholesome 100 chungus Muslims love science and reason and have an invincible wall so they never lose and they look down and laugh at the dumb idiot christians who fucked everything up
Wow, this is the second popular setting I have heard of that has this exact scenario.

>>96241792
what is the other one?

its probably better that whatever this will be

>>96234641
The Horus Heresy

>>96231405
That’s just a plus symbol, it’s actually Trench+Crusade, what it equals is a mystery

>>96242112
I wonder what they’re fighting over
>We are with the Galactic People’s League and fight for equality!
>Fuck you, the People’s Galactic Alliance will kill you vile fascists and bring about true equity!

>>96229331 (OP)
So just tell us who you're shilling for at this point, honestly. Which company is so scared of this nothingburger game that they're paying you to anti-shill it so hard?

>>96242112
>dude...... we need it to be heckin PROGRESSIVE!
politics really has turned the median westoid's brain into a puddle of mush. either you're a right wing lunatic who screeches in fear and rage when you see a brown person, or you're an infantile left wing lunatic who cant cope with the idea of any media not loudly and abrasively screaming about progressive values. no matter which option you choose it makes you incapable of enjoying anything that doesnt align directly with your sensibilities.

>>96231789
What causes this phenomenon? It's some barely relevant turnip mod that /tg/ barely talks about.

>>96229331 (OP)
Trench crusade has the most obnoxious fanbase and haters. It seems like every person who talks this game is either some faggot who likes that it disrespects religion "because we live under the growing thumb of Christo-fascism" or some right wing chud who hates it because of some faggy discord drama who has to go out of his way to tell people he hates it and as far as I can tell nobody fucking plays it.

Sorry to bump this thread but I need to tell op to kill himself

>>96241984
Corvus Belli Infinity. It's about space age stuff where Islam saves itself by turning to science even though they still praise allah and constantly do terror attacks on other factions, their "invincible wall" is a special kind of med pack that is string based that only they can produce because they are so smart about science. So if anybody attacks their faction head on not only can they hold the line with their effective special med packs but they can also threaten to cut off said special med packs to that other faction. They also look down on everybody else as the Americans are no longer a power player and the Catholics are just deus vult nut jobs.

>>96229331 (OP)
Mald.

>>96242201
>I'm a le enlightened European who pretends as if he knows everything by pretending to be centrist even though I only attack things that are right wing!
please stop.

>>96233592
>>96242422
So is there anything actually *bad* about the Iron Sultanate? The game makes sure to emphasize how fanatical and oftentimes unethical the Christians behave, but is the same shown for Muslims?

>>96242455
Yeah, he should try attacking the canard wing

>>96242660
Brainwashed slave child soldiers but that's really just taking from the actual history of what Janissaries where.

>>96242112
…So why are they fighting eachother?

>>96242112
I think this guy missed that the reason for the Space Monarchy tropes is that it makes it way easier to explain why conflict is happening.

>>96242660
Trench Pilgrims confirm that Christians who fight and die against the Heretics go to Heaven. Christians get miracles. Christians get to hear the word of God. Christians have multiple Jesus clones that all confirm they're Jesus and aid the Christians in war. Christians get the lion's share of the lore, the fan art, the attention and the purchases.

Christians are by far the most beloved aspect of Trench Crusade, and the developers have said as much when they used their own upbringings to fill the lore with Christian theology and symbolism - theology and symbolism we (as in, me and you) gloss over because we also grew up with it, but now that our countries aren't really Christian anymore, the deeper meaning of what an Anchorite or the significance of 3 and 7 can be lost on people.
>>96242724
>>96242750
The "Good Guys" aren't Space Fascists or Space Monarchists but that doesn't mean Space Fascists or Space Monarchists don't exist in-setting. LANCER did the same thing where Union is the Gay Federation of Planets (even though Paramount+ Federation is that, but that's a gripe for another board) but it shares space with Dune Houses, Space Argentina and Lockheed Martin.

>>96242783
>The "Good Guys" aren't Space Fascists or Space Monarchists but that doesn't mean Space Fascists or Space Monarchists don't exist in-setting.
I feel like this will just lead to an inevitable outcome where the creator gets mad that people prefer the Space Authoritarians to the Progressive Federation because the Space Authoritarians are the only ones allowed to have interesting conflicts or flaws.

>>96242800
Again, look at LANCER and what happened there. You can't say you enjoy Harrison Armory on the Discord, otherwise you get banned. You can't actually talk about Harrison Armory at all unless it's how they're the punching bag butt-monkeys of your latest campaign. Despite this, their mechs are incredibly popular and they're a favorite of people that don't frequent the Discord.

Oh, you know what it is? The Stormtrooper Problem. That's it. You only need to think about it like that. You're not supposed to like the Empire, but tons of people do. Now throw on a layer of, "we'll actually call you names if you express interest in the Empire" and now you're in the ballpark of what would happen.

>>96242822
>h, you know what it is? The Stormtrooper Problem.
Yeah that's basically what I was thinking. I do kind of wonder what the cause of the phenomenon is both why it happens and why people keep setting up situations that cause it.

>>96242822
Especially since (assuming this gets any traction at all) it’ll be from those types of people who get annoyed at you for above reasons.

>>96242850
>I do kind of wonder what the cause of the phenomenon is both why it happens and why people keep setting up situations that cause it.
There's probably a lot of literature on the topic because Star Wars was a moderately popular franchise, but my two cents is that people derive great pleasure from watching larger-than-life personalities revel in their power. It's the same sort of feeling you get from seeing any great man hold out a hand and ask, "want to join me?"

In the words of the great and terrible prophet Sam Hyde, if Hitler named you his top guy, would you refuse?

>>96242822
>You're not supposed to like the Empire, but tons of people do
I kind of wonder how people miss this was almost standard in the 80's, every toyline needed a bad guy part of it, because you need a conflict, and because of that someone is going to need to play as the bad guys. 40k largely goes beyond here because everyone is an over the top personality who is some layer of bad guy, which I have witnessed some people be turned off by because they don't like the idea that they couldn't play as the good guys. Maybe I just don't understand the mindset that much since I was always the kid that chose the Decepticons or the Empire because being the bad guy is fun.

>>96242455
>you only attack the right wing!!
this is a response to me mocking a left wing post btw. literal rent free, you proved my point.

>>96242783
It's hard to mock a mother, especially when you don't recognize her as such.

>>96242937
You didn't prove anything when your real world actions show otherwise and you still insisted getting political yourself anyway. You just hated him for being "american" and nothing else.

>>96242983
It's funny because the original post didn't even mention American's either. You got another victim complex you want to show off?

>>96242988
>Westoid
>Not american
So you are just being dishonest at this point. There is no need to further talk to you now.

>>96242983
i literally never mentioned the word american anywhere in my post. you're literally AGAIN proving my point that your mind is so melted by politics that you see boogeymen everywhere

>>96243017
It is funny anon how you took a post that was clearly anti-progressive and European and managed to think that a progressive European posted it.

>>96243017
so according to your genius logic, saying that theres a problem with the western world means american, but NOT european, and in fact it must be a european posting that, because europe somehow isnt part of the western world? insane mental gymnastics; just admit you got upset that the post described you in a way you found hurtful because you're too partisan culture war brained

>>96243030
you're right, its literally insane logic and proves my point exactly. it doesnt matter what the sentence says to these people, they have to twist it into their narrow viewpoint of WOKE VS ANTI WOKE or LEFT VS RIGHT or EUROPE VS AMERICA because their brain isnt capable of thinking in non partisan terms

>>96242983
my real world actions? how would you know anything about my real world actions from one 4chan post making fun of a progressive miniature game? you're projecting insanely hard

>I'm not angry
>I'm just samefagging over this one guy dog piling him!
Or at least I hope its just a samefag, it would be really pathetic to get your discord friends to help.

>>96243068
who are you quoting

>>96242422
Bothered about arabs being scientists? Lol tell me you don't know shit about history without telling me you don't know shit about history.

Ah, I understand what's going on here now. I was under the impression you were European, but in reality you are a Muslim, that's why you are getting so angry, because you have no anger management and are impulsive. Now I really don't respect what you have to say about anything. No wonder you were same fagging hard and still trying to bait me for replies.

>>96243136
lmaoing at this retard not being able to comprehend that multiple people are posting in the same thread

>>96243087
lol
Which youtube historian gave you that one?

>>96243087
Yeah sure anon tell me again how the Arabs were building rocket ships while Europeans burned books. What do you think you're getting out of this conversation by saying Arabs are hyper-geniuses and all you stupid paleskins need to go back to worshiping some Jew on a stick? Because that's what these conversations always boil down to - Europeans stupid, Arabs smart. Islam beautiful, Christianity ugly. I've seen these debates before and that's how they happen.

So let's get to the meat of the matter and say that people are damn tired of being portrayed as the stupid, parochial brute. Especially when other people are presented as great, wise and cultured. It's that kind of mindset that gets people to obsess over the white-washed aspects of their culture which will, many times, lead them into extremism.

>>96242800
>>96242822
>where the creator gets mad that people prefer the Space Authoritarians to the Progressive Federation because the Space Authoritarians are the only ones allowed to have interesting conflicts or flaws.
The Lancer creator outright states that Harrison Armor aren't inherently evil or "space nazis". It's the fans who do that. Also HA is technically part of the Progressive Federation(Union), along with the Space Monarchists. Union in practice are basically just the UN with limited power

>>96242422
>>96244034
Personal political grievance filled schizo rant taking shit out on history

>>96243212
The arab world did give us some important advancements (The word Algebra is a corruption of of the arabic Al jabr which means bonesetting) however its worth keeping mind that this golden age was built of their conquests of formerly Byzantine holdings and the knowledge of greek and roman philosophers, the same thing which people credit as the spark for the renaissance. In short, we all stand on the shoulders of giants.
There is an increasing tendency to exaggerate the Islamic golden age in order to help dispel prejudice arising out of current Islamic culture to the point that it approaches CHRISTIAN DARK AGE levels of absolute delusion.

The thing I hate the most about TC is that every few days there's a thread of faggots that are so low IQ that the very concept of a brown person faction in a game throws them into a schizoid chuddite rant

>>96244198
>There is an increasing tendency to exaggerate the Islamic golden age in order to help dispel prejudice arising out of current Islamic culture to the point that it approaches CHRISTIAN DARK AGE levels of absolute delusion.
It's not as bad as it was, honestly. I remember a point in the 2015s where we had articles claiming Islam was actually far kinder to women than Christianity, and presented one or two female Muslim poets from the 1100s as evidence. Most of the "Islam is amazing" content came from the madness of that late-2010s era.

God, so much culture was dismantled back then, never to be rebuilt.

>>96244632
That said, that one muslim philosopher should get credit for reviving interest in Aristotle in Europe.

>>96244198
Glad to see somebody can cut through the bullshit. These are the same people that want me to believe they invented alcohol and produced lots of it when its against their religion to drink.

>>96244645
The Caliphate should be given credit for preserving ancient knowledge (and expanding on it) in the same way Northumbrians were given credit for effectively maintaining civilization in Northern Europe. It's important and their contribution is valued, but insisting it was the defining quality of the Caliphate is patronizing. Just like Europeans are constantly whipped to think about the sour sides of their history, the Caliphate should be allowed to get criticized for their excesses as well.

It's like, the Ottoman Empire was pretty cool for being big and wealthy but kidnapping/buying Christian boys so they can be turned into zealots high on "zeal of the convert" and set loose on their former family to terrorize them is something that still needs to be discussed. Muslims aren't saints, and the media has become incredibly eager to depict them as such.

>>96244669
>>96244645
Like, I need to emphasize that the Caliphate fucked the Persians. Hard. They were seen as heathens, and Zoroastrianism was ruthlessly stamped out over a period of centuries. Christians did the same thing with Hellenism once they got into power, but anyone here who's lived in Western civilization knows which one is given more of a critical view.

And don't even get me started on the Jizya tax, which so much praise has been given over how it's some perfect presentation of tolerance during an intolerant time, and how it's a sign that Islam is a truly great religion while Christians are just mean old freaks. People were economically and socially pushed to convert, and while "people of the book" were technically given fair representation under law the sheer volume of venom that everyone under the Ottomans felt towards their "just" masters suggests the de jure wasn't de facto.

>>96244198
>The arab world did give us some important advancements
Yeah like 1% of them.
Wow, so amazing.

>>96231789
Just like puckee threads

>>96242783
>The "Good Guys" aren't Space Fascists or Space Monarchists but that doesn't mean Space Fascists or Space Monarchists don't exist in-setting.
The post says "space fascism destroyed itself" which is past tense and claims the "human factions that arose afterwards have explicitly progressive values". So my understanding is that if that game includes a space monarchy it'll be alien/robot which is ironic given that they're dehumanizing their political opponents.

>>96242181
Pretty sure op is just mentally ill

>>96243087
You have activated my trap card!

>>96244754
>t. South American shitskin

>>96242207
40k refugees got shut out by the 28mag discord mods on the trench crusade discord and they've been furious about it ever since.

>>96245037
why? south america is super arab. Tacos are schwarma, people say ojala which is just inshalla, Shakira.

>>96242207
/tg/ is made up of the people who got gatekept from it

>>96242112
>"In the wholesome chungusness of the far future there's only explicitly progressive values. There's no bigotry amongst the stars, only an infinity of genders and pronouns, and the euphoria of godless intellectuals."

>>96242112
>tropes
Forget left vs right for a moment. We're witnessing the damage TV Tropes inflicted on popular culture here.

What an extremely high quality thread.

>>96244429
that's 90% of the mongoloids on this board lmao

>>96242112
Galactic totalitarian empire in the middle of implosion would actually be an interesting setting. Imagine all the factions that could emerge in the civil war. Various "freedom fighters", opportunists, separatists and pockets of loyalists trying to keep empire together. Often working against each other despite similar goal. Shame this is not what the pitch is about.

>>96246926
>Galactic totalitarian empire in the middle of implosion would actually be an interesting setting
It would, and the consistent avoidance of portraying what is an obviously compelling setting should be brought up. I've seen game groups play, "collapsing Empire with factions bickering for power" before, but it's hard to find companies who do it. Even Disney avoided this with Star Wars when the EU explored the matter thoroughly.

>>96242112
Adam should really just stick to ranting about trains desu. Though I'll give him credit for the dedication to the whole vintage documentarian bit he did for the Prague vid.

>>96246926
>Galactic totalitarian empire in the middle of implosion would actually be an interesting setting.
Isn't that basically just battletech? Just in that it's been a multi-century implosion.

>>96242112
This sounds like the lamest shit Ive ever seen for a setting. Im genuinely curious to see what this would look like.

I LIKE being able to play as the unapologetic bad guys and factions like 40k orks that are simply born to fuck shit up. Its fiction you tard, give the "good guys" something worthy to struggle against that isnt just a reflection of themselves, but theyre wearing different uniforms.

>>96234641
Revelation Space
Blindsight
Echopraxia

>>96242850
Fascism is all about the aesthetic of heroic valor, therefore in fictional contexts you just have a cool aesthetic since all its myriad downsides don't matter to me, a gamer who is safe from the fascists beating me up for looking at them funny.

>>96242112
>EDIT: some people (the usual suspects) seem to have misunderstood the "progressive" part. They
wow I wonder what he said next. weird that you chose to cut it off. probably just an accident.

Here it is, since you missed it:

>EDIT: some people (the usual suspects) seem to have misunderstood the "progressive" part. They assume it's "SJWs in space", while it's more akin to the Federation in Star Trek, with plenty of variance and creativity involved!

>>96250672
>in fictional contexts you just have a cool aesthetic since all its myriad downsides don't matter to me, a gamer who is safe from the fascists beating me up for looking at them funny.
I love playing the Galactic Empire in /tg/'s and have to occasionally remind myself that if I lived under them I'd likely hate them for their abuse of innocent civilians...then I get Imperial Civil War fantasies about how I could fix her, and has been said in this thread, that's the best setting of all

>>96242822
>For Super Earth!
For fiction, the collectivist military regimes that will do anything to win including over the top methods of wave tactics while shouting problematic slogans and doing a salute are typically far more fun to role play as and get cool stuff to talk about, and role playing and having cool stuff to talk about is a very effective way to get people invested in a setting. Its a sad modern thing that making and liking certain fictional things means you actually support those things in real life and want to enact them.

Look at the videogmae Starfield for an example of a progressive sci fi with no space hitlers or "evil" factions, its fucking boring. Is it a progressive liveable setting that wouldnt be terribly bad to live in? Yes. But wheres the conflict for a game. Wheres the cool stuff with guys wearing cool armour fighting other guys in cool armour as one side fights to impose their will over another and both sides have to escalte to get their way and fans argue about which side is right and which side has done cooler stuff.

>>96250733
No one responding to that post even said anything about SJWs. Everyone is pointing out that there is very little conflict to be found between 10 different Star Trek Federations without space monarchies or space hitlers being sprinkled in. The omitted edit changes nothing about that fact.

>>96250856
If it's worth your time to hide it, it's worth my time to post it, bitch.

>>96229331 (OP)
I hate French Crusade

>>96229331 (OP)
>erm this game is le bad because christcucks aren't 100% the good guys and mary sues

>>96242822
Part of it is also that the good guys often look incredibly lame or lack any sense of flaws or aesthetic.
When you play as the Empire, you get cool armor and sick looking spaceships, you get moral conundrums but also slogans to shout. Compare that to the Rebellion where the soldiers look dorky, the only cool ship is the X-Wing, and the characters generally look lame. I recall a quote along the lines of people caring less about whether a character is good or bad and more about whether they are interesting, and this rings true for factions.

It's a shame too since good guys can still look cool. The Clone Troopers from Star Wars are beloved, because despite being the good guys who fight for the Republic and should seem lame, they get spiffy armor and awesome moments. Frankly, if creators want people to side with their Good Guy Faction then they should invest less in making them philosophically sound and more in making them badass.

>>96251390
Clone troopers are kinda cheating because they are just stormtrooper prototypes, and before the 3D Clone Wars show, they also were unironically evil fuckers who basically knew the whole time that sooner or later they would gun down their Jedi leaders.

>>96246926
It would be interesting but I doubt anything would come of it because of who's making it. Adam Something makes solid videos on trains and cities but his takes on topics beyond that are rancid dogshit. He completely misses the point of 40k and colors the whole setting as fascistic, with contradictory statements of "the games should emphasize more that you're the Bad Guy as a space marine" and "anyone who would want to be the Bad Guy space marine belongs in a psych ward" (paraphrasing). If he just did a video on some right-wing grifters who use 40k as a vehicle for their bullshit, it'd have gone over far better. Instead he basically wrote off an entire setting and fanbase as braindead proto-fascists, which if anything speaks to his inability to separate fiction from reality.

He's the sort of person to get mad that people play Call of Duty because it "glorifies war".

>>96231405
>tribal /pol/post

>>96251390
I think it's a good reason why Andor is as popular as it is compared to other rebellion focused stuff in the disney era, because it actually shows the rebellion being more than just "the good guys" and tackles the actual difficulties and moral issues that arise from an insurrection.

>>96251449
They're just one example, plenty of people love Paladins in DnD or Halo Spartans, and to use another Star Wars example Andor made the Rebellion actually seem cool. Again it's a matter of aesthetic and in this aspect people miss the point,
>>96251472
Essentially. You also see this with New Vegas, people side with the NCR more than the Legion because the Rangers look badass. Aesthetic is just as important to convincing people to enjoy things as substance: regardless of whether people agree with the faction, they would rather have one that looks cool and has potential for good writing.

>>96251515
It's interesting that the Legion is so widely and instantly recognized as evil fucktards, unlike many other "totally bringing law and order" evil factions. I wonder what they do differently that makes it work?

>>96251548
A guy from Commiepornia wearing a trench coat and a gas mask is cooler than some tribal homoboy wearing repurposed football gear?

>>96251548
The Legion was competing with a lot of better aesthetics. Not just NCR Rangers but the Brotherhood of Steel, and the Enclave. The NCR gets a major buff for being incredibly palatable to a modern audience politically speaking, and having really cool armor. Brotherhood of Steel will always have fans because they are THE fallout faction. And if you want to be the "I love being the bad guys" fellow the Enclave is right there are demonstratable far worse than the Legion in many ways while also looking cooler. It does lead to the funny situation where the Legion is almost always supported by contrarians or by people who are just trying to get a rise out of someone online.

>>96251548
Maybe has something to do with how the very first encounter you have with them is a mass crucifixion in a burning town, and all the "law and order" justification comes afterwards

>>96251548
They just don't look that cool anon. That's basically it. Sure their philosophy sucks too but players (left, right or nonpolitical) largely care less about that and more about how a character looks. People play Space Marines and shout HERESY despite the faction being fucked up because they look awesome.
Another Fallout example is the Enclave. Ignoring the numerous other issues with the Fallout Frontier mod, one was that the devs shut down any ideas of playing the Enclave because they couldn't believe anyone would want to play the evil fascists (unless those players were themselves fascists).
In reality, people will play factions that literally bomb orphanages and kick puppies if those factions have spiffy powersuits and cool slogans. Almost no one who wants to play the Enclave believes in their retarded ideology, but it's insanely fun to scream DIE MUTIE and fire a plasma rifle while decked out in power armor.

>>96251627
>Ignoring the numerous other issues with the Fallout Frontier mod, one was that the devs shut down any ideas of playing the Enclave because they couldn't believe anyone would want to play the evil fascists (unless those players were themselves fascists).
Which was still extra funny because you could still side with the Legion. Like yeah you can't side with the genocidal guys in power armor, but you sure as hell can side with the slavers who crucify people. It always felt like an odd stance to take.

>>96251627
Counterpoint: compare the US West Coast to the US East Coast in Fallout. The Enclave is perfectly justified to wipe out the East Coast so that whatever fucking turboautism they have doesn't spread any further.

>>96247293
If I had to guess, it hits a little too close to home for the suits. Multiple factions of competing rich people and ideological standpoints hits a lot closer to home than an evil empire and a good rebellion. The latter of which is perfect wish fulfillment for consumers. To put it simply:

>That game has you going to wonderland.
>That game has you noticing job statistics.

>>96251272
I hate the French.

>>96229331 (OP)
Pillage is my new friend. Cant wait for people to hop on that and start calling it woke when the creator declares they dont give a fucking about politics too. Happened with Turnip aswell for fuck sake. I unsubbed from Arch over this shit, his hypocrisy towards TC and Helldivers as being "woke" and "THE CREATORS HAAAATE YOU" without pointing to anything woke in game was just wierd, like it found success without him and he wants it to fail because of that so he can say "look, it failed because I didnt support it, all you had to do was bend the knee" exactly like how the troons would do it. Im sick of political pandering in any form, these people are insufferable.. Like how do you come out in defence of Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and have to argue with your own fans about that position, then make a mission of denouncing and tearing down TC for something it DIDNT do and you only percieve to have done lol.

>>96251548
They’re a faction for fantasyfags in a sci fi game

>>96251548
what? did you play the game? the Legion actually does bring law and order and aren't evil. They do evil things but from their pov its just their way of life.
You could even argue the Legion are noble wasteland barbarians.

>>96243212
You can't fucking quantify "human accomplishments". What insipid garbage, it's no different from that "le hole left by the Christian dark ages" graph.

>>96229331 (OP)
It was incredible to watch the hype around this thing die. Just face plant after face plant after face plant from the brain dead devs who had zero idea how to handle the momentum they gained. At every turn they managed to make the worst decisions and now they're left hoping they can at least sell the IP off and pray it at least puts them above zero.
I'd call it sad, but that would imply I have any sympathy for them.

>>96242112
Holy shit that's down right laughable!

>>96254658
Nobody cares about your eceleb crush fag

>>96231789
He's having a crusade by assigning labels to things he doesn't like. Very reddit behaviour.
You could say he's on a reddit crusade.

>>96229331 (OP)
All I know is that its chaosfags are somehow dumb enough to buy the "actually our soul-eating cult is the good guys" shtick earnestly.

>>96255077
Yeah, and in most ways the NCR is objectively worse. They're as tyrannical, but you actually find NPCs who point out that life under them just gets shittier by the year and that law and order practically don't exist and the NCR is just a system for stealing from people via taxes, while the few Legion-citizens point out that it's pretty steady and is an improvement over the barely surviving scattered tribes everyone used to have.

Good examples are how the NCR handles the locals in New Vegas. They're completely uninterested in them unless there's a profit to be made and will happily murder entire towns of tax payers if it's conducive to their short term goals.

>>96244112
The Third Union are led by expansionist technocrats that want to force everyone to live under Skynet. They are only the good guys if you ignore them swallowing every policy they can get away with.

>>96244112
>>96255297
The funny thing about Lancer's Union is that it's far closer to the Terran Federation or pre-Covenant UNSC in operation than it is to the UFP, but it hides behind a veneer of commieboo paint and the average discord fag eats it up, ignoring that all the heckin' evil corporations are what drives politics and decides who gets what in an ostensibly progressive post-scarcity society.

>>96255297
Wasn't that second union and why there was some internal conflict
Even modern Union usually sticks to just having one guy do paperwork in one single office on one planet, majority of their shit is pretty laissez faire. Hence why they just turn a blind eye to the KTB for the most part

>>96242112
>Adam something
This guy is more SJW than you can ever imagine

>>96260074
He's some former rightoid turned NATO libtard. AKA neolib to neolib.
So not enough to be cool

It's very easy to kill this thread but then OP will just remake it

A single space marine can solo your entire setting.

>>96260119
honestly he was fine when he was ranting about trains. He should stick to that.

>>96234641
The Lord of the Rings trilogy
Beowulf

>>96233634
You attention-starved pseud, you dismal idiot, this is a wargaming board.

>>96242112
>squad level (same as 40k)
>28mm scale (same as 40k)
Tell me how I know you either never played 40k or played in the early 00s and stopped.

>>96260074
I find it funny with how much he shits on Elon Musk when he essentially behaves the same way. Still love his takes on transportation.

>>96263091
He must mean platoon scale, and 40k was 28mm before nu-40k made it 32mm on a tiny baby board

Trench Crusade? I’m in. What boxes should I buy first?