SATURNINE? More like...SHIT-ERNINE edition
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>Thread Question:What is to be done?
>TQ
sell me your mk2s (90 of them) for $50. Im not fucking asking anymore.
>>96232241 (OP)>What is to be done?Play games with friends. Any edition. Just play with painted models and politely decline any future talk of 4e.
>>96232241 (OP)>What is to be done?
Which of the dread nerfs should be rolled back? They were obviously overtuned, but getting hit by three different and massive nerfs has rendered them all but useless
>>96232253They'd be fine if they were WS5 but we had the old WS table desu.
The 2e/3e table makes the difference between ws4 and 5 completely night and day.
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>need a fancy plasma pistol for moritat
>have the plasma pistol from the multi-part 40k commander kit
>can't use it because engravings offer no tactical benefit
Thank you, Boss!
>>96232248>Any edition.You're gonna trigger the anon who only has people playing 3.0 at his flgs.
>>96232253The fact you can only take one per non-Praetor HQ choice (centurions can take two) at the cost of other detachments that let you take multiple equivalent-value units instead is most damning. So adding more Dreadnought slots to their detachment would help, dreadnought talons wouldn't even be OP anymore
I did some number crunching on the Pyrae Despoiler/Assault meme
A 10-man despoiler can pull of the exploit with a power lance (I5), heavy chainsword (I3), and a thunder hammer on the sgt (I2).
A 10-man assault squad can pull it off with a power lance (I5), a chainaxe or two (I3), a heavy chainaxe (I2), and a power fist on the sgt (I1).
Note that in both cases an optae with a power lance adds another step since he's I6 with it.
I've gone ahead and killed Pardo. He refused to fight back, even though I tossed a gladius at his feet.
>>96232331is that a reference to something?
How would you sell 900 boxes of Saturnine?
Asking for a friend.
>>96232305What exploit are we talking about here? Trying to damage yourself as much as possible vs a pyrae arcana squad with Inferno shield up? Or am I missing something?
>>96232152Sorry anon. Text yโknow /whoosh
To the thread/TQ/in general. Iโm still making a 2.0 army, I donโt give a flying fuck. I got an AOD box that needs finishing. I might grab the MKII jump guys though, love the big packs, but fuck the axes-might make em assault vets or maybe even kitbash some Dawkbreakers, weโll see-my greenstuff skills are hilariously bad
>>96232404Yep, I was trying to see how far you can stretch inferno shield.
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I don't think attaching a Siege Breaker to a HSS squad is a good idea. It'll help them defeat Vehicles (smoke launchers), but they'll become a super juicy target. Also, the SB will just stand there waving his hammer menacingly
Are units who appear from the ground with that SM Prime benefit (Tacs or Despoilers only) considered to have moved?
Is it kosher to use the new 40k terminator sculps for when indomitus gets rules in the pdf
>>96232472It'll depend how cringe nucata are scalewise
What are these things? Lights? Big bolts? Wifi points?
It is very good that Veterans can now bring heavy weapons other than missiles. Even though missiles themselves are alright :D
But how to kit the rest of the unit?
>>96232484vents and/or knees
>>96232276Ironically they do for an energy weapon, as engravings add surface area to the handle, making it cool down faster.
>>96232472more kosher with bits replacing the storm bolters, imperialis', and crux terminatii, Either third party or stolen from other terminator kits.
>>96232484They're frag assault launchers, like on a land raider crusader
For busting through a wall and pulping everyone inside
Support Slots are pretty hard to come by, huh?
>>96232457Any unit that arrives from reserves onto the table counts as having made a move even if they did not make a move due to a rule in their deployment method, so short answer yes, as it states in the Interdiction Cadre rules that they arrive from reserves onto the table.
>>96232504I honestly think combi-bolters on vets might be the way to go
>almost same firepower as a moving 20 man tactical squad>extra accurate so potential for more kills>cheap-ish (40pts for 8)That combined with some lascannon or multi melta vets and you could have a flexible gunline unit
>>96232525>Cata shoulders>Indomitus helmetsmy brain
Just bought my books from my FLGS.
Feels bad paying GW prices when I could have saved a bundle buying online, but I guess it shows there's interest to the store.
IW friends, which way are you leaning - 5 Tyrants or a 10 man missile launcher HSS?
Right now I'm thinking the HSS is the better option.
>>96232601Tyrants are doodoo now, only take for fluff reasons
>>96232280>Anon You imply there's only one
I actually don't mind 3.0 because I like tanks and I built my night raptors with all chainglaives so I lost nothing and gained more reasons to build more night raptors and an excuse to convert an atramentar command squad now that they aren't so weirdly trashy, but it's how 2.0 immediately got memory holed to the point where we canceled the campaign we were in immediately when the leaks dropped that gets me
>>96232629Punished for our sins last edition, eh?
>>96232573>Any unit that arrives from reserves onto the table counts as having made a moveMore than 4"?
>>96232595Based
>>96232601Mega RIP Tyrants. It's going to be gruesome when Fulmentarii get suppressive on their frag missiles and Tyrants lost pinning on theirs, and half their krak shots
>>96232640they fell victim to GW's usual "nerf all the good stuff and buff all the bad stuff from previous edtion so people need to buy what they don't own" strategy. HH doesn't get it as bad as 40k but it's definitely noticeable this time around
>>96232601Also, I'd say wait for the pdf (lmao) because it's got both Veteran HSS and Iron Havocs
>>96232601Care to elaborate? I have no reference to compare them to and was looking at them for AL this edition assuming I ever get off my ass and build the army.
>>96232640>>96232670Nigga the fuck you talking about, tyrants were ass last edition LMAO.
>want the saturnine and mk2 stuff to paint
>โIโll just pick them up individually, the box isnt for meโ
>4 Sat termies are $107 AUD discounted
>Want 6 though so I guess thatโs another $107 ($214 for 8 models lmao)
>20 mkII are $115 AUD discounted (this is somewhat reasonable)
>$329 for all of that
>or for another $70~ I could just get the starter set and sell all the shit off I donโt want instead and potentially spend less in the long run
How the fuck is it more sustainable and cheaper to give me an extra dreadnought, a full fledged ass turret, a rule book, templates, a praetor and the centurion for $70 then justโฆMaking the saturnine terminators reasonably priced?
Why the fuck is the praetor $68 by himself AFTER discounts anyway? I donโt wanna come off as a poorfag cause Iโve legit never once bitched about the pricing of hobby shit despite it all being obviously overpriced but this feels fucking insane.
>>962326400.5 this
>>96232683 Tyrants were useable but somewhat schizo, as they were a terminator unit that didn't want to enter melee.
>>96232704>Discount box is discountedwho could've seen this coming. Truth is, the profit margins would still be insane even if they charged half as much for every unit, and the bundles let them offload shit nobody would buy separately like the turrets
>>96232704>12 year old discovers discounts for the first time
>>96232719Honestly really the only problem I think tyrants have is they either cost 10 points too much or really needed to have their missiles not be heavy so they could at least implacable advance for a double shoot
>>96232738310 points for 5 + the Omni-Scope really does feel like shit when a squad of 10 guys with Missile Launchers is 250.
>>96232731>>96232733I feel like thereโs a difference between a discount and $500+ AUD worth of shit tacked on (this is still applying the 20% discount btw). Iโm not complaining since itโs good value, but itโs just retarded how much they upscale shit when it isnโt in a starter set. $214 for eight models is indescribably stupid, and it canโt even be justified with something like โmuh sprue sizeโ since vehicles have way more, come in a bigger box and are far less of a repeat purchase yet they cost the exact same.
> and the bundles let them offload shit nobody would buy separately like the turretsWhy bother making it though if they know no one will wanna buy it or use it though?
>>96232754It's a starter set for the game and the first hit is free (or discounted heavily in this case)
>>96232719Booo. Fr just Heavy 2 krak. That's all I'm asking omg
>>96232752It's that and also, their primary advantage is having power fists and Terminator durability over HSS, implying they're supposed to be a mobile versatile firebase...but then implacable advance doesn't work on their missiles and having support unit makes them neither want to charge forth to clear objectives nor stand on their home objective, so their purpose is just ???. You don't want them up close or it cripples their firepower, you don't want them too far or you're paying useless points for power fists, it's nonsensical
>>96232754>why make shit nobody buysMy guess is executives REQUIRE them to have at least one thing to cover every base just so players don't even think about going third party for anything. Imagine the head of creative trying to pitch some more cool space knights and then head of marketing goes "Yeah but look at this youtube battle report. These guys made a fortress with turrets for their narrative game. Why don't we sell turrets? that's lost profit and our players are LOOKING AT OTHER BRANDS REEE"
>>96232525storm bolters = combi bolters is canon now since the drop pod model became a HH model and still uses it.
>Vulkan gave everybody STL files for updated Dreadnoughts and Armor, no questions asked
>His Legion got slaughtered at Istvaan as thanks
>>96232811>nowThe 40k storm bolter was used even in black books. And not just on background models, there was even artwork of it on a legion tank cupola.
>>96232822Many such cases. Guess who got MkV armor first? Or who got Beakie armor first? Or who made Lorgar's Mace?
Why do I get the feeling that the medium to long term goal of Saturnine Terminators is to replace the FW Legion Specific Terminators with Saturnine Terminator unit profiles instead (or bespoke shoulders from FW if GW is generous)?
Warm take:
If Tacticals have Fury of the Legion (+1 shot when stationary), Despoilers should have Spite of the Legion (+1A when charging).
>>96232822Bro that was so rude. He should be compensated
>>96232858Ok, but Tacticals get to have a special weapon and a pistol per 5 models.
>>96232525those looks awesome, it is a conversion kit or a full kitbash?
>>96232858Actual hot take, all four troops (Tacs, Despoilers, Breachers and Assault marines) should cost 100 pts.
Breachers aren't Tacticals that get shields for +4 ppm
Breachers are Tacticals that get shields for +4 ppm and the loss of 1 Line and the loss of FotL
Either you pay with points or you pay with rules, not with points AND rules. That is paying twice
>>96232847Honestly? I wouldn't even be mad. I love the design and owuld love to see more variants. I doubt theyr'e replacing all legion termies though, stuff like Knights Cenobium or Justaerin are way too iconic to replace
>>96232868Hmm... 1 plasma/meltagun/flamer per 5. No pistols, but bayonets let bolters volley fire as if they were assault.
>>96232275Its fine. WS 4 dreads are still powerful enough. WS 5 should be reserved for the more skilled and powerful characters and skilled units
>>96232868Despoliers pay for their power weapons. Tacticals come standard with a bolter.
>>96232858+1 A when charging, but only with chain weapons
why are the new MK2 (and the MK3 for that matter) so fucking smooth? why do they just have flat surfaces all over? are plastic kits really not capable of this?
>>96232880Bodies are 40k indomitus terminators, arms and shoulders are cataphractii, the remaining bits are from red warden and either available as files from the usual sites or printed from stores like archies.
>>96232944>he thinks the FW redesign is the originalAbutted plates are the true Mk2, overlappers need not apply.
>>96232822"This is because of the pauldrons isn't it?" - Vulkan
>>96232944My hot take: this looks like ass. Plastic mk3 was a huge visual improvement because it made the legs not look like fucking French fries while still keeping the segmented look to the back, where it looks much better because it doesn't go all the way around. Nu Mk3 fucked this up because it just made the back look fucking boring with the back having random slits cut in for no reason, but nu mk2 does the opposite in making the fully segmented leg look good thanks to not adding the wavy crap, although the thickened leg proportions also help in this regard. The FW mk2s are definitely the ones that suffered from the thin ass FW legs the most.
What space ships was in use in 30k
If I want to play battlefleet gothic in 30k
>>96232944One of the CAD-dipshits arbitrarily decided that anything that wasnโt tacticool was stupid, this is the reason behind them ruining mk2 and 3 with their shitty redesign.
I wish i was kidding.
>>96232944So you have something new to rage about
>>96232919Despoilers come standard with chainswords. If Despoilers, Assault and Breachers can buy special equipment per 5 models, so should Tacticals.
>>96233018Exactly the same ones as 40k minus the more chaosy ones. More abundance of Gloriana-class, Terminus Est wasn't rotting yet and The Rock wssn't a thing either
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>>96232902>bayonets let bolters volley fire
>>96233018Whatever GW feels like adding. A lot of ships were made after the Heresy, but it's not like that has ever stopped them. For example, I'm sure they'll cram Despiler class into Heresy despite being a post-Heresy copy of the Terminus Est.
>>96233038Cool, er are working on a campaign that most likely will include 30k, gothic and legions imperialis
>>96232970Overlapping vs. not overlapping plates is the least of the issues with nuMk2/3.
GW changing their knees and torso design is the real fuck up. They don't look like the old GW metal minis either, but a weird mix of all previous designs + techmarine visual cues (probably because they were designed for IH originally)
Personally I'm hoping nuMk4 looks like the new color plates that match more closely the old design, and use it almost exclusively as the true Heresy armour
>>96232944>>96232970>>96232983FW mk.2 looks good because the overlapping plates are directly based on roman lorica segmentata, which fits with the generally more roman vibe of the legions.
Nu mk.2 is just bands of armour... just cuz? I'm not sure what the logic behind it is.
The fw models just generally being small is separate from the aesthetic decisions, but I will say the size makes MUCH more sense considering it's the scale that vehicles/dreads are based on, and vehicles were already made smaller that they'd realistically be.
The new giant man scale of current 40k/30k makes vehicles comically small compared to the dudes that are meant to fit in them.
>>96233088>based on roman lorica segmentata, which fits with the generally more roman vibe of the legions.FINALLY one anon that gets it.
The new designers tried to do something similar with those medallions all over the new consuls/praetors, but they fucked up the execution like they fucked up the rest
>>96233088>Nu mk.2 is just bands of armour... just cuz? I'm not sure what the logic behind it is.The guy who designed it directly stated in a warcom article that he wanted to change it because he thought it looked like they had knees down their entire legs because of the segmentation.
Yes the designer is a dumb cunt who had no idea why people liked it nor respect for the original design.
Playing this game and liking HH is fucking miserable.
Fuck GW.
May James Workshop get raped by a horde of Pakistani rapefugees.
>>96233172Crying for support all those years sure worked out huh
>>96233176I didnโt
Go back to the catalog you threadshitting nigger
Would ProHammer Classic work with HH?
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/796101.page
>>96233182Okay I'll just blame Outer Circle then.
What were they thinking with Saturnine armor?
>>96233126That's soft flexible tubing anon... like marinea already have on every single joint.
>>96232774Pair them up with a Master of Signals and have them gain Vanguard (1) on the turn they delete a unit off the point?
But... you can do that equally well with an HSS squad...
>>96233245thinking requires a brain
Made some changes to the Praetor from last thread, as suggested. Reasonable?
Also added a cognis signum to my Armistos and spruced up the Warmonger a little.
SMs with optics on their bolters? too shitmaris?
>>96232241 (OP)You can clearly tell that that's an Iron Hands marine.
>>96233268also my vox guy
>>96233256Original MkII did not, because the abutted rings were suppose to flex. Like space suits. They also (sometimes) had fixed helmets. Like space suits. It's almost like the design language of the first space marine space armour took cues from space suits.
>>96233245in no particular order:
>performance bonuses are easier when delivering new stuff rather than being a caretaker or maintainer>marketing oldbad/nugood as a basic principle no matter how nonsensical it can be for an stablished IP>bigger is better as another retarded marketing principle>artfags ego about leaveing their own mark>GW studio (ie, Jes Goodwin) being butthurt about the old FW designers beating them at creating better marine designs>taking seriously the online Saturnine termies meme appeal>Being bad or reallly caring about properly giving it a lore justification beyond "lol, Vulkan gifted it to all legions">Designers are actually AoS/Necromunda fags that do not really get the HH aesthetics or not care about it
>>96233289>taking seriously the online Saturnine termies meme appealI get it more than people liking Tartaros.
Reminder: Games Workshop deserve everything that's going to happen to them.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1753963331048295.mp4
>>96232241 (OP)Check out my shit-ernine termis lads.
Its kinda bullshit these models don't come with unhelmeted heads because there's like, a really nice backing behind the helmet.
>>96233307Another, very similar angle
So... is it me, or are Augur Squads led by a Master of Signals a really good little support team?
>MoS uses his Command Vox to make a unit Line (1) or Vanguard (1) every turn.
>Augur squad can refund a reaction to someone within 18" of them every turn on an Int check, with a bonus if they can see the target.
>With the Master of Signals, the units Int is 10 instead of 8.
Like, short of having Alpharius lead and Augur team, that seems like the best way to use those two things.
>>96233287Fuck the irrelevant muh original design argument. it's retarded.
FW solidified all the marks after years of ramdom stuff, and for 15 years they were the standard in 30k AND 40k (Badab, 8th ed. DG). The odd GW mk2/3 mini like Sicarius were nothing but a cute footnote.
Mk2/3 only needed a couple small fixes in the articulations, which FW already did in the last minis before the change, and upscaling them.
>>96233264>primaris bits>put the pauldrons onOtherwise this is totally fine.
>>96233264Praetor looks skitz, very nice work.
>>96233313I don't think I would pay 200pts for 1-4VP and 1-4 extra reactions, and that's if they survived the entire game.
>>96233264I think it would look better with some autocannon or that unique IF gun instead of the fist.
>>96233307>really nice backing behind the helmet>ugly fat and distorted aquila in the chest just like the gaudy AoD sword praetorI have no proof but also no doubts about Saturnine termies being originally designed as suits captured by the EC at Isstvan 5 and put to use later at Beta Garmon.
Either that, or the designer was retarded
>>96232241 (OP)imo the healthiest thing you can do for your hobby is to talk with your friends and decide what edition YOU want to play (and what house rules you wanna use). Edition parity is dead imo GW killed it with the shitfest that is 3.0
>>96233268>>96233277On seekers they would look perfect
>>96233312>>96233307Handsome lads, fellow IF-fag. Love the bold yellow.
Whenever I look at those twin-barrel disintegrators I keep thinking how nice it would have been if Saturnine had a reaper autocannon option.
For whomever was waiting around for some savings, Tortuga just rolled out their summer sale.
>>96233322>talking about abutted vs. flared rings>but don't you dare bring up old designs, we're only allowed to talk about how FW gud, nu badFuck off, retard, the fat man is dead and so is everything he worked on.
>>96233302>we want the urban market
>>96233347The playerbase has officially splintered
>>96233354Would be nice. I like the esoteric weapons but sometimes a big blaster would be skitz.
>>96233371yep, its happening in real time
>>96233339>I don't think I would pay 200pts for 1-4VPEnjoy losing then. GW decided that AMG's Marvel game was how they were going to do objectives in 3.0 from now on. Even the most diehard of shills have had a hard time disguising the fact that if you fall behind on VP at any point in the game it's really difficult to come back from.
As for free reaction each turn... well, that's just a bonus that the MoS happens to synergise with. Ideally, we're just looking for a bodyguard that's not going to break the bank so he can't be casually deleted off the board if he get's spotted.
>>96233362>but don't you dare bring up old designsExactly, dipshit. Just because the HH fanbase is mostly old 40k refugees doesn't mean we have to talk all the time about it.
Bringing up again and again shit like RT minis, or Badab does NOT belong in this general. Fuck off to /grog/ or the 4th ed bible project.
The HH had a stable visual continuity that has been now being fucked up. And the new shitty designs do not have anything to do with your pre-historic minis either except in the most shallow and irrelevant way, you're retarded.
>>96233376the comeback mechanic in the core rules is an admission they recognized the problems during whatever half assed designed phase they had
This was where Heresy jumped the shark
>>96233384Anon, the "stable visual continuity" you're crying after is a bunch of 40k models they took and put into 30k. By your own logic, the new armour marks are the true 30k designs not ported over from 40k. So, kindly, shut about 40k slop and enjoy the true 30k experience being served to you currently.
>>96233403Absolutely... but 2nd edition was still the point that the Fonz put on the waterskis.
>>96233410Nigga in what world does the Kratos somehow lead to this
>>96233403post your models
>>96233264So those teleport discs are optional, and you can just swap them out with armour plates instead?
>>96233403The mechanical joints makes me think the sculptor envisioned the suits as being worn by limbless legionaries.
>>96233419They're too big for their hands to reach the end of those limbs
>>96233418The praetor comes with alternative shoulder designs.
>>96233409>a bunch of 40k models they took and put into 30kwrong, FW minis were designed with the HH in mind even if they were first released for Badab
>By your own logicyou're a moron incapable of undersdanding what's this about. You're just a retarded 40k hipster enamoured of old shit just because is old and not well know, and doing mental gymnastics to justify it.
>>96233403Yeah. There were many signs before, but that's the point of no return
>>96233419>the sculptor envisionedIs the same with the 40k nundam suits. Modern GW designers suck at believable mechanical design and confuse "rule of cool" with "wahtever dude, nobody cares lol"
>>96233403It jumped the shark when they made it a game about cramming as many massive tanks on a 6x4 table as possible
Does 3.0 still have the โfriendsโ matrix for allied detachments like in HH2.0?
>>96233428Apology accepted.
>>96233438the friends matrix are the different editions the guys in your club are playing that aren't 3.0
>>96233438No, just a blanket -1 CL and LD if you mix different Factions in a unit
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>>96233403>>96233419Nuclear take:
The reason why there are no bare heads is because these are crewed by babies/children.
>bought Argel Tal recast off ebay to test store's quality
>arrived today, actually good details
>store removed by GW same day
the endless laughter of cruel gods indeed
Bruh how is the istvaan file up and the mechanicum is still stuck on imgur
>>96233490nobody has bothered to create a PDF
>>96232241 (OP)I cannot decide on my traitor legion and its pissing me off.
Death Guard or Iron Warriors?
>>96232253Keep the WS/BS nerfs but increase their number of attacks and make an "ancient" prime advantage for +1 WS, +1 BS and the Champion subtype.
Then being back the Mortificator and give him a unique aux detachment with a prime war machine and 2 regular war machines.
Give the IH a dreadnought Command choice to compensate for this fucking their Prime and make their new prime advantage a 5+ FnP they can give to represent cyborgs.
Boom, you can get old Dread Talons and a limited number of old school dreadnoughts but you cannot spam WS5 BS5 Dreads to nearly the same extent as you used to. Even the WS5 dreads will be less cancerous than they used to be against peers because you no longer have to pass multiple invulnerable saves to not die instantly to every attack.
Importantly none of these buffs have effected the nerfs to dreadnought durability at all. In the transition from 2.0 to 3.0 they went from the toughest units in the game point for point to less durable than a comparable vehicle against most AP2 weapons.
IMO the most cancerous thing about old dreads was never how much damage they could do but Rather how much damage they could take. Changing how damage works was a substantial nerf to dread toughness which makes me happy.
Oh and let us meltabomb dreadnoughts again, that was always fun.
>>96233500Thematically they're fairly similar, both are the "WW1 infantry advances through the trenchline while cancer mortars fire white phosporus and mustard gas in front of you" factions. So you should pick by color scheme, by lore, and by special units, particularly their primarch.
>MortarionLoved his sons, hated Psykers, got coerced into worshipping chaos through mental and physical torture after being betrayed by his number one captain; who promptly fucked off wigh half his legion to go do crimes
>PerturaboHated his legion and viewed them as cannon fodder witha a shiny paintjob, hated everyone including himself but hated everyone else more so he had a massive superirorty complex, was autistic and couldn't understand why people disliked him, and his tactics were Zap Brannigan "throw soldiers t the HMG nest until they run out of ammo" tier
>>96233289>Designers are actually AoS/Necromunda fags that do not really get the HH aesthetics or not care about itThat's based. Marine Game should die in a ditch and be forgotten.
>>96233528Honestly I feel like the durability changes coupled with the removal of Brutal and ID were enough of a fix. Leave them at WS/BS 5 and make rhe dread aux detachment have 2 slots and they'd be in a decent spot
>>96233529>Hated everyone including himself but hated everyone else more so he had a massive superiority complex.Perts character development was growing to hate himself more than he hated his sons, leading into his "must become a weapon" obsession which eventually saw him become a daemon.
>>96232640Tyrants were mid next edition and anyone who says otherwise was crap at the game
Krak profile best used for bullying medium vehicles which died at the drop of the hat anyway
Frag profile crap and never made it's points back
Krak into meq get artificer armour sgt blocked.
Autocannon havoc's were the superior option for dealing with all of the above and for far less PTS
>>96233536Dropping WS and BS of base dreads is part of my desire to justify all my melta bombs. I acknowledge my bias but will not do anything about it.
>>96233529Iโm going with Death Guard, I donโt like the idea of Primarchs hating their sons so much, also the colour scheme is kinda cool I feel.
Iโve heard Death Guard prefer infantry but can I also run armour?
>>96233546You can run armour if you want, Morty hated transports for some autistic reason but was fine with regular vehicles.
>>96233546They drastically favor infantry tactics (both in lore and in rules) with slow-and-steady self-propelled support weapons, especially the Arquitor, the Whirlwind and Rapiers. But in practice they had the same armories as everyone else, so other vehicles are perfectly fine to use.
>>96233529>Mortarion>Loved his sonsBullshit. He willingly sent to die 1/3-1/2 of them to Isstvan III in cold blood. And why? Was he "mistreated" by the Emperor or his achievements not recognized? Was he ignored or not taken seriously? Was his home planet fucked up by the Imperium? Something bad happened to him or the DG?
No, he was actually respected and Big E handled him a win at Nikaea less than a decade before the HH.
Mortarion was a hypocrite and a petty asshole, still butthurt after more than a century because the Emperor dared save his life when he went in a retarded yolo trip to kill his foster father. Just that. That was the only thing he cared about.
>>96233571Anon, I said heretic legions, so naturally I would assume they all hated the loyal parts of the legion, hence I chose the heretics.
Out of interest, which loyalist legion loved their sons the most?
>>96233578I would say Salamanders or BA.
Sanguinius is shown several times as worried about his sons and strongly caring about them, like during his duels with Ka'banda
I don't know what to feel about the new edition. Everything is so drastically different from the previous editions. I like the challenge rules though
>>96233578Salamanders and White Scars.
It wasn't that Sanguinius loved his sons more than other primarchs, it's just that he was a mary-sue ultra-nice-guy so he knowingly overlooked the cannibalism and mass-murder and fleshtearer teamkilling and the bad parts of the blood angels. And he explicitly made it clear he looked down on his sons doing the gladiator stuff on the world eaters flagship and considered any behaving differently than himself (sitting at home, carving statues to avoid thinking of murdering people) as disappointments.
I'd say Jaghatai actually Liked and Respected his children more than sang. For Sang it was "my responsibility, these beautiful fuckups", while Jaghatai it was "my glorious horde"
>>96233529Go to bed John, you've had too many piss vodkas again.
>>96233578Sanguinius was willing to be the one to die to save his legion when they all got ambushed by those daemons that one time, and showed immense sorrow for the curse that afflicted them all multiple times. He wore his love for them on his sleeve. Iโd say the next in line would be Vulkan mostly cause he did a good job unifying the older and newer Salamanders together and showed no apparent disdain or hate for his sons. Robute could also be argued to take second place also just by virtue he was willing to assume the Emperor had been killed over risking more deaths of his sons on the journey back to Terra initially. The rest of the loyalists though are a bit spotty and had very evident moments of them hating their own sons
>>96233571You can love something and still kill it anon. Humans donโt just act in black and white, and the Primarchs were very much human, maybe more human than their sons and their father. Hypocrisy and love are very familiar with one another
>>96233578Blood Angels, easily.
โ Ferrus barely tolerated the Iron Hands unless they managed to somehow match his absurd demands
โ Khan was mostly ambivalent about the majority of White Scars
โ Dorn was just not a 'love' type of guy in general and explicitly hated some of his best sons and generals, like Sigismund, Dantalion or Garrius
โ Lion didn't give a shit about the legion outside of like three guys
โ Russ cared for his sons, but not enough to not get them killed willy-nilly at multiple points just to prove a point or be dramatic
โ Corax also cared, but the second his sons deviated from his ideals or visions it was straight banishment or worse
โ Guilliman had grand plans for his legion after the crusade was over, but ultimately they were valued tools to him
Admittedly, I don't know about the Salamanders' relationship with Vulkan to really form an opinion there, since the Salamanders books are unreadable. I assume it's good, since both primarch and legion are generally pleasant?
Night Lords SA, native Nostromans at that, does it make sense?
>>96233588it seems too different to be worth playing when better skirmish games exist, most play HH for nostalgia and familiarity same as old world, not directionless innovation for the sake of it.
>>96232241 (OP)What weapon options can you give the centurion in the Saturnine box?
>>96233605If you read the article you took that picture from youโd know they also recruited them from other planets since it lists some of them by name even.
>>96233599Leman Russ is the biggest fuckup in the entire lore of games workshop, but he definitely liked his children. It's just he only has 2 braincells, so if they're busy analyzing combat, none can be spared for thinking of his children's well-being. Russ and Jaghatai are the only primarchs I can imagine actually Wanting to go to a bar with their men.
>>96233605Penal Cohorts are a thing in the auxilia lore. I imagine Nostromo produced some pretty effective murderous psychopaths.
>>96233546>>96233565Lore-wise, they lost most of their vehicles at the start of the heresy, leaving them practically unable to operate proper armored companies.
>>96233598>You can love something and still kill it anonthat schizo possesive-abusive behaviour is not "love"
>>96233623Yep, it's also hilarious how Russ having to return some videotapes unironically improved the SW. Their 40k version gets shit done all the time with minimal resources while the 30k legion did nothing but take L after L and making things worse for the loyalist side
>>96233571He sold his soul to Nurgel to make their pain stop.
>Handed a win at NikaeThat was the whole fucking point. He believed might is right snd the strong gwt what they want while the weak dont deserve shit. But when he was too weak to kill his dad, Ebig E just stepped in and one tapped the guy. And Nikaea was rigged which probably didn't sit too well with him since it was another unearned win.
>Why betrsyBecause the Emperor had the storng mariend working to conquer plaets for the weak civilians; and Horus promised it'd be the other way around.
>>96233571>still butthurt after more than a century because the Emperor dared save his life when he went in a retarded yolo trip to kill his foster father.You forget that the reason why Mortarion made his attempt when he did was because the Emperor challenged him to do it. The Emperor knew Mortarion needed more time to prepare and would only suffer in the attempt, but that was his point. He wanted to secure Mortarion's servitude and the way he did it was by giving him an impossible task that had to be completed or else his life's work of liberating Barbarus would be stolen. The Emperor goaded him into failing to liberate his planet, only so that the Emperor could take him as a servant. This isn't conjecture, it's something both Mortarion and the Emperor admitted to each other. As a result Mortarion could not view the Emperor as a just ruler.
>>96233605If you can make superhuman solders from psychotic murderer-convicts you can make human soldiers from them as well, anon. Especially if there's a Nightlord overseer standing behind you with a flaying lash.
>>96233599Didn't Corax still care about his not!Primaris even after they started mutating and being failed science experiments?
>>96232241 (OP)Whatโs strange is that every legion in the Liber books have a section on their heraldry for โdestroyer companyโ shoulder pads despite the actual book not having rules which is strange, makes me think that the original plan was to have almost all 2.0 units in the book but somehow that changed
>>96233654But Legionnaires get years of training and indoctrination
Does Saturnine feel like a campaign box set that was retrofitted as a new edition launch box?
>>96232241 (OP)>TQNothing. My army is basically unplayable. I'm just glad I hadn't yet bought the jetbikes to convert.
>>96233647>He sold his soul to Nurgel to make their pain stop.Nope, he did it after dabbling with sorcery through the war to not be left behind in the power struggle after the war ended
>Nikaea was riggedHe didn't know that
>>96233650Big E was right and he didn't goad Morty into doing anything. He was just a prideful idiot that valued more his own ego that actually helping his people.
He later made poison gas part of his personality and used Barbarus soldiers as toilet paper in his campaigns.
Mortarion was just as bad or worse than Perturabo. The later had to be actually subverted to push him to the traitor side
>>96233667And auxilia get stapled to the front of a tank by their balls if they don't obey.
>>96233677Are you forgetting the time Typhus did a little trolling? That was the point when he truly became a Chaos worshiper. As for Nikaea, didn't Malcador tell him in advance about it?
>>96233667You don't need years of indoctrination for regular soldiers, you can do it in a few months IRL.
>>96233694IRL soldiers come from much nicer backgrounds than Nostromo, and even then their superiors can barely keep them from raping each other and the civilians around them
>>96233677>Big E was right and he didn't goad Morty into doing anythingBig E disagrees with that assessment.
>>96233688Are you forgetting when he killed his Deadshroud bodyguards as a sacrifice to summon Grulgor at Molech?
Morty only cared about himself and being right. It's just that he knew he was being a selffish prick and an hypocrite, hence his mental gymnastics about sorcery or trying to make Garro join him.
>>96233711that was more like a chaos one night stand
>>96232241 (OP)Do the Death Guard have access to any special flamers of chemical weapons? Seems like they donโt in trying to make a chem weapons theme squad
Are you planning to use outriders or the command squad version in the legacies PDF (when it's released)?
>>96233727Alchem flamers are like, their whole thing. I haven't looked at which of their units got squatted yet, but they have at least two units exclusively dedicated to them. Also Phospex, but everyone gets that. They used it a lot more in lore than most though.
How badly will they ruin warpfire plasma in the legacies?
No breaching? Lower S? Blasters replaced with regular guns? Not existing?
>>96233730as an AL player, maybe with the outriders
they're a recon slot and the AL detachment has 2 prime recon slots
>>96233739Wow those are some amazing death guard anon, are they yours? I would die to paint like that
>>96233752nah, they're off the internet
>>96233727Deathshrouds & Grave Wardens have alchem weapons, but they are the only ones that do. Their weapons are unique to their respective unit profile. The Death Guard armory does not include any sort of alchem weaponry.
is the wood dice and token box actually worth something?
Considering between waiting a week to buy 300 bucks of stuff in-store vs just ordering a primarch or two right now.
>>96233730>kromlech legs>old CSM IW torsos
>>96233412Well summerfag, it was pretty much 3 years to the day that there was a vocal minority that, whilst glad to see plastic support for Horus Heresy, knew full fucking well this could easily be a poisoned chalice that led the game down the route 40k took. But hey! As long as we finally got all those plastic kits people wanted, then maybe it would be okay!
You know, like say, plastic Breachers, plastic Destroyers, plastic Land Speeders and Outriders!
But what did we get? Tank after Tank, more resin Centurions than 40k got Primaris Lieutenants, and an 8mm game that nobody wanted and less people liked with a release window that was botched because the original print run of the rulebook had one of the scenarios openly referenced slogans of the Hitler Youth.
>>96233767I'm sure they're in the same DLC booklet as the Destroyers.
>>96233774What wooden dice?
>>96232241 (OP)New friend here, are there any units and wargear the death guard lost in 3.0 and coming back in legacies?
>>96232275you keep up this shit and I'll bring back the original RT table
Do you think GW made the "titans can use their arm guns to not participate in the game" rule so people wouldn't shoot them on the board and realise how depressingly bad they are?
There's also no consistency there. Turbo-laser is two barrels strapped together, has a 3" blast and S12 at 96" range. Add a third identical barrel and it loses blast, becomes S10, and drops to 82" range.
Meanwhile the volcano cannon is just a worse melta cannon and there's zero reason to ever use it.
Warlords, meanwhile, snap shoot at everything. But not to worry, since even if you weren't snap shooting your elite experienced titan crew that have been promoted from warhounds, through reavers, to a warlord... are still greenhorns with BS3 anyway, so you've got a 50/50 chance of missing even when not snap shooting.
I get that GW is trying to make titans "balanced" but they're titans. They should feel powerful when you field them and if that means a reaver has to be 2500 and a warlord has to be 4000 then so be it - you're not bringing a competent warlord at 3k anyway.
>>96232472I personally find that they have too many primaris design cues and happen to be primaris sized, so I wouldn't want primaris terminators in HH, no. It's not a settled debate though, and others disagree.
>>96232944Because the team want new designs with their design language
>>96232970You can have abutted plates without all the extra bullshit nu-II added
>>96232983I think we'd have to see updated/modernised FW Mk II to know for sure, but the only example (On Argel Tal) looked okay from what we saw.
>>96233268Scopes have their place, but those look a bit too modern/tacticool and less warhammery.
>>96233289>>taking seriously the online Saturnine termies meme appealIf they were taking it seriously, they wouldn't have butchered it so much.
>>96233730hopefully we see plastic outriders soon
>>96233872fucking diversity hires
>>96233748Knowing how legacies entries are they will either have no breaching at all or be given Rending 6+...
>>96233888how's the resin kit to build? gonna get some recast
>>96232601HSS is squishier and its missiles are shittier at taking out AV and light infantry, they don't have power fists for when they get charged by small yappy dogs and they'll run away hide etc a lot more often and snap out of it a lot less often
it's true that you have just as many Wounds for the same points and twice as many krak missiles for the same points if you take 2x missileHSS over 1xTyrants and it's true that they're separate units which can attack separate targets and have actual air cover instead of no air cover, but against heavier targets, particularly something with a big template that can wipe a squad with only 3+ armour saves in one shot, you would want the Tyrants every time - those S9 Armourbane shots will mount up against AV14 whereas krak missiles rely on weight of fire to chip damage after multiple Status Effects are applied, and 40 swarmers plus 10 storm bolters yeah, I said it should make any infantry unit think twice
pros: tougher unit, better all-round shooting on nearly all targets
cons: smaller unit, single unit, less flexible, beaten soundly in their beds by Roger Ramjet as nature intended
>>96233891>horus says we need a 50/50 gender split on all combat personnel going forward>Istvaan V>IT WAS A TRAP, ALL THE "WOMEN" HORUS RECRUITED FOR HIS LEGIONS WERE TRANS
>>96233903there's no time a player would want tyrants. They're a homer simpson car unit now. They cost too much to be a bad shooting united fusion danced with a bad melee unit.
In 50 years of warhammer it has never been optimal to spend your points to make a generalist unit which is bad at every role but can do everything badly. "flexible" just means wrong answer to every question.
>>96233788A lot of us suspected it might head this way, we just knew how to separate the two. Even if they were planning 3.0, 2.0 had it's own merits.
>>96233922surely S9 missiles with armourbane is good though right?
are they BS5?
>>96233618Exactly. Im an old school 40k fan starting from the late 90's and HH had that feel when 40k went all newhammer. Now HH seems like another "lets make it all different"-idea
>>96232704You can get Saturnine for 380aud from amazon. All big warhammer boxes that are in good supply can be found cheaper there as they are UK imports.
>>96233939BS4 WS4. If you want 5 Str9 shots with Armourbane just take a Lascannon HWSS... for almost HALF the price.
>>96233944Wild, I swear I looked the other day and the cheapest I could find on amazon was $430aud. Guess that's even more reason to just get the starter box anyway then
>>96232638Joking aside, there are one or two anons that want nothing to do with 3.0 at the moment. Asking them to 'play the game' defaults to 'play 3.0'.
So they sperg out. It's been a roller coaster to seeing it in real time.
>>96233939No, they're BS4 nerfed lascannons for a ridiculous 575 points. They're lascannons with AP3 instead of AP2, same strength armourbane and dmg1/2.
And like lascannons they lose 50% of their damage when they must take a step to shoot.
Compare to a Kratos if you really want to see how shit Tyrants are. It's steady so it moves and shoots lascannons at Dmg2 Ap2 instead of the tyrants Dmg1 Ap3, you can run it with 4 lascannons (shooting as much anti-tank damage as 8 tyrants who take a step) plus the Melta Blastgun move and shoot with melta(24), 2 shots, S9 armourbane at 24, AP2, and Dmg8 for each of the two shots within 24". Then a free autocannon on the turret as well. So walking tyrants with complete miracles could put out 10 wounds, zooming Kratos miracles would be 24 wounds instead of 10 even if I dont bother with the autocannon. It's more durable than the tyrants to most enemies, as it's 14/14/14 with 10 wounds and techmarines can quickly heal it up.
And the kicker, that juiced-up melta+4lascannon Kratos that vastly outshoots the Siege Tyrants against tanks costs just 355 points instead of 575 (60% of the cost), you can have 3 Kratos or 2 Siege tyrant squads and each kratos is superior. Siege Tyrants are even more pathetic in comparison when the Kratos is shooting AP2 lascannons that pop terminators while the Siege Tyrants have either frag (entirely useless against T5 2+ 4++ terminators with just S5 AP6 breach6+) or krak (entirely useless against T5 2+ 4++ terminators due to shitty AP3 and dmg1 while moving.... for 575 points.
575 points.
575 fucking points.
>>96233954at that point you gotta ask, "is having them on a terminator platform worth it?"
>>96233730Regular outriders? Yea, maybe.
Command squad? My time abusing nurgle bikers in 6e has taught me to fear the 2nd floor too much to have my command squad be limited by it.
>>96233992I mean, they are still a lot cheaper than a unit of cataphractii and a HSS with lass canons. HSS are made of paper
>>96233987and if someone tries to justify this complete trash by saying "powerfists", if you could buy powerfists for 10 points each for your shooting gunline, the answer is "fuck no, are you RETARDED?!"
They're not supposed to be locked in melee. And with WS4 they would get absolutely buttfucked by any actual melee unit who jetpacked 1" in front of their face then setup into them wasting 300 points of guns.
>>96233841Just upgrade your titan to BS5?
>>96234011They're going to be doing substantially less than either of those choices however. They're not good mate. The models are decent, but the rules are trash.
Just paint them, put them on display and never use them.
>>96233896Jesus Christ, my whole list was warpfire themed. I really hope they donโt make them so dogshit
I was away for like month, did Heresy 3.0 somehow got better since I left?
>>96234018I wanted to use a rivetet Legion Baneblade variant, but turns out they're now illegal in HH3
>>96234028First of all; it's 2025. Why the fuck would anything ever get better?
But to answer your question, it became more of a joke, if that helps.
We're already off the roadmap, James is panicking and redoing the Legends PDF to actually include everything that we lost. Every scab who saw the leaks and still bought the starter set is getting what they deserved as it appears that they packed the rulebook on top of the sprues instead of the other way around and then used delivery couriers who exclusively hire Orangutangs with delivery vehicles with only leaf-springs for suspension. It's looking like at least a sizeable percentage have damaged parts, some parts being completely snapped off as well. The Journals have even less content than the ToW Arcane Journals have, and at last count upto 4 major hobby retailer websites were up to a 35% discount.
>>96234025Jus run them as normal plasma, what is the issue?
>>96233707>and even then their superiors can barely keep them from raping each other and the civilians around themAnon all the indoctrination in the world didnt stop the night lords from doing it, what makes you think the damnatii are going to hold themselves to a higher standard? Theyre literally chomo gang members dredged up and given lasguns so they can go rape and pillage other worlds in the name of the imperium. The night lords literally encourage ritual knife fights and gang affiliations.
>>96234055Isn't normal plasma fucking dogshit in this edition?
>>96234057Sure is.
If you are one of the retards who ignores points costs and number of shots
>>96234025run the warpfire squads using Thousand Sons rules with Corvidae for 5+ rending+breaching shots and plasma guns are absolutely meta. Like 10 support plasmas doing 3.5+ justaerin terminator kills each turn.
>>96234025Just use them as regular plasma? Or I guess cross your fingers you get your alt-plasma back in the legacies.
>>96234057No. Its just not plasma.
Plasma weapons are now generally safe high strength weapons with very limited armor piercing potential. A plasmagun squad doesent breach much, but it does fire 2 s7 shots at 24".
You can overload them for slightly better anti armor firepower but NOW they gets hot (and still dont breach as well as they did before).
Its went from a high risk high reward heavy infantry killer to a generalist "damage" choice thats good for putting a solid quantity of high strength shots downrange at a reasonable price point.
The weapons are good, theyre just not plasma weapons.
Ironically the warpfire cannon for the mhara gal is one of the best plasma weapons now, its D2 so it instant kills terminators and it still breaches 4+.
>>96234056They might be called "SA" but the soldiers SA-ing each other can't be great for their performance. Your Leman Russ can't remain combat operational for long if the radio operator keeps stabbing the loader's ankles every chance he gets
>>96233598>Robute could also be argued to take second place also just by virtue he was willing to assume the Emperor had been killed over risking more deaths of his sons on the journey back to Terra initially.That was because he wanted an excuse to start his own empire.
>>96234072The night lords spending more time skinning babies than they do actually fighting the enemy military is also bad for efficiency.
>>96234051Jesus, it somehow got worse.
Why can't james do anything right?
>>96234082At least they broadcast it over comms so it pulls double duty as entertainment for the legion and psychological warfare for the enemy. It's not like they're harming each other, just random civvies. Besides, Kurze hated his legion for it, but he couldn't/wasn't willing to change. But he never thought it was a great thing either.
>>96234090>. It's not like they're harming each otherThe night lords absolutely DID engage in killing each other anon. Theyre gangbangers in power armor.
Now imagine those gangbangers were in charge of creating an auxiliary force for themselves?
>>96234057>Isn't normal plasma fucking dogshit in this edition?>Normal Plasmagun in 2.0>6man TSS, 157p, kills 2 or 5 MEQ depending on range>Warpfire plasma in 2.0>5man TSS, 160p, kills 4 MEQ>Normal Plasmagun in 3.0>9man TSS, 162p, kills 6 MEQYou tell me
>>96234072It's support unit for Night Lords, they are not meant to be effective fighting force, just commit war crimes when NL alredy have their hands full.
They can rape and stab eachother, nobody expect them to win against other Solar Auxillia regiments or competent militia.
This is why Horus gave mission to conquer something to each of his trator legions, but Curze was ordered to run away from Lion. Everybody knew that NL and Curze are worthless, but he managed to get Lion and his legion on wild goose chase for 3 years.
>>96234090NL and their fans are so fucking gay it's unreal
>>96234104>>96234102closeted DA hands typed these posts
>>96234096This is what all the bitching about plasma has been about?
It getting buffed?
>>96234096>double the guns for similar resultsI don't get what you're trying to say with this post
>>96234028no, but the custom rules we've been working on at my LGS have gone from strength to strength with 15 copies spoken for already. Just need to finish the libers but the templates are up and running so shouldn't take long.
>>96234037Lets see what gun variants they manage to stick into the plastic Falchion kit. Like with all the casemate BB variants, I can't imagine GW just stops at twin-volcano cannons.
Is newrecruit the only list builder updated for 3.0 so far?
>>96234135You would if you had above room temperature IQ
>>96234104>>96234108This very general has proven that Imperial Fist players are the gayest group of this hobby.
>>96234037>>96234018Anyone knows of a tutorial or guide on how to make pics like these?
Quick anons! I'm being charged by a group of Veterans and some Terminators with melee weapons! What unit and weapons am I going to use to kill them all before they break my lines?!
>>96234177>open Photoshop>go to color settingsFiddle with hue, saturation and contrast until you get your desired effect
>>96234200I'm not talking about the filter, but the matte paintings they composite with actual models.
>>96234199Saturnine flamers and twin heavy disintegrators
>>96234209you mean the backgrounds? I figure it's just a matter of putting them in the back and messing with blur to create a depth of field effect
>>96234215smart, can't get lines broken if you kill yourself before they get there
>>96234217Yeah I'd like to know how they integrate them. It looks like an old war journal pic even if they are actual models.
>>96234217NTA but the entire thing, if I can request any resources on how to make these images. Love them. I tried doing something with my friends Orks for 40k, and I got some things, but there's a lot I couldn't figure out. Is there a guide to all the effects you'd use that you, or anyone here, knows of?
>>96234209Either print and put on background, or use greenscreen and edit background in photoshop.
For anything very close to miniatures you have to have actuall board. Also photoshop bases out.
FW at one point showed how they do it but I'm afraid it might be lost to time.
tl;dr Put models on board, do photo, edit in photoshop untill happy.
>>96234223This looks great! What more are you looking to add? If I had to add some criticisms, you should cut the beam effect so it actually starts at the barrel instead of halfway through, and decide if the vehicle is still or in motion. If it's still, it shouldn't be blurry. If it's moving, the whole thing should be blurry. Turn the blur down a notch though. As for more advanced tips, remember that the closer to the camera things are, the darker they look, while background elements tend to look lighter. After that it's a matter of emulating various lens effects like depth of field, focal distance, lens shape etc
>>96233403No it was around the release of NU-mk3
>>96233438You don't get to bring friends
>>96233628Yeah but they would suck as a fighting unit, just look at the NLs when they had to fight marines, the cookie crumbled
>>96233739I think 3.0 sucks but the disintegrator veteran unit is clearly good for DG lore wise
>>96234274You use penial units as meatshields, not elite fighting force.
Put them next to marines and you have meatshiled that can take up some beating while marines do the job. They are perfect fit for Iron Warriors.
>>96233322Very true, thankfully 3D designs and printers exist now so fuck GW for being retards
>>96234287Just put bomb collars on them like in The Running Man and yeah it could work
>>96234297You could do that to militia in 1.0.
>>96234339And got this guy ready for varnish, oils and weathering
I want to listen to osme HH audiobooks, where do I start? And what's the best way of getting them for free?
>>96234348start with the original trilogy
>>96234297That's how most warhammer penial units work, either drugged and brainwashed, or have explosive collars.
>>96234339>Brother, get back inside the tank!>I can't! My shoulders are wider than the hatch!
>>96234223>>96234226Didn't we use to have a PDF explaining roughly how they did those shots?
>>96234366Also, where would he even go, he's clearly standing on the rest of the gun barrel.
>>96234383nah, there's space. He's back and to the side
>>96233605>DamnatiiBloody theater kids
>>96234147The Falchion doesn't even come with the Volcano Cannon anymore ffs. It's so bullshit.
I got to use mine ONCE in 2.0 and now it's waiting to see if Legends has it (I'm not delusional enough to believe that)
>>96234378It was either pdf or video.
It was explained but as I said it's lost to time.
Maybe someone can dig it out.
>>96233748Based on the one (1) example of mhara gal, I'm expecting that at minimum warpfire plasma will be: add shred (6+), remove overload. If we're lucky, it'll also improve the breaching by 1.
Man it really is retarded how the chaos corrupted plasma's main feature is *check notes* being safer than normal plasma. Give me like x2 shots +breaching in exchange for +overload goddammit
I've been experimenting with the new listbuilding rules and it feels like maybe the DA detachments are better than they seem at first glance. Listbuilding is a whole minigame now
>>96234437DA can almost completely ignore list building restrictions with their special detachments, and get tons of prime slots as well.
And their Paladin upgrade basically turns a centurion into a better legion champion that still has officer of the line 2.
>>96234437Anyone who wasn't retarded (I know, a rarity for dark angels players) took one look and realized that dark angels can just take whatever the fuck they want and get primes out the wazoo almost as if the flavor is supposed to be each wing autistically training to do one thing and be the best at it, and then they all come and fight together to be the best autists at everything with their specialities combined, without needing to give them 6 legion traits
>>96234378Yes, and I should have it but can't find it.
>>96234378>>96234403Is it this?
https://files(dot)catbox(dot)moe/1lac0u.pdf
>>96234437This is so cool. I am stealing this piece by piece
>>96234383You seen the size of his gun? He's going wherever he wants
>>96234437What tool are you using?
>>96232926Good thinking. (Single-handed) Chainswords/chainaxes only. It's "on the charge", so that excludes disordered charges (e.g.: from Rhinos).
>>96233045It's snapshots, anon. They are indeed not shooting straight.
Except SoH. Beware.
Bayonets are not only on tacticals; Seekers and others also have them :D
>>96234489The issue is that prime benefits are straight up weaker than the average legion trait, and those legions still get to use prime benefits
Love this paintscheme but by god are death guard retarded.
>>96233384theres nothing wrong with using 40k or primaris bits so long as they fit the setting
>>96234607>death guard are retardedElaborate.
>>96234625Primaris don't fit the 40k setting, let alone 30k.
>>96234627All of them are mentally challenged, Mortarion most of all. I can't take them seriously.
>>96234591>Autek's red IH meet Traitor's red IH>comedy ensueslol
>>96234633And what makes them more mentally challenged than say, World Eaters? Imperial Fists? Night Lords?
>>96234644>World EatersThey aren't sentient so they don't count.
>Imperial FistsAutism is challenging but it also has upsides.
>Night LordsCryptids.
Death guard are just clinically dumb.
>>96234628He's not technically wrong - certain bits from primaris kits, which I assume is what anon means by primaris bits, can work. But they're the bits that aren't subject to primaris design cues, which may be how you're defining primaris bits.
>>96234649Nta but DG having a lot of ships with skeleton crews spread around the galaxy that drop plagues on planets and then fuck off to the next ones without stopping to fight planetside already puts them among the smartest traitors.
>>96234591>Hey this looks like an Iron Hand who turned traito->Nope. Not true. Don't believe it. The fact check says: DIDN'T HAPPEN!
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>>96234628and yet their kits and the 40k firstborn have plenty of usable accessories and hand options that nobody would bat an eye at in 30k
>>96234489anyone who actually wasn't retarded realized that prime advantages are tiny little micro-buffs while legion traits are enormous powerful buffs, so missing a real legion trait means dark angels are the weakest of all 18 legions objectively.
>>96234628the bits absolutely do. Hell, a 40k chainaxe is more sensibly sized and restrained and 30k-matching than the retarded 2h cleaver that the new melee kit considers to be a 1h chainaxe.
>>96234666That's dumb. If they have skeleton crews, they could have skeleton soldiers as well, bur they don't. Clear misstep on their part.
>>96233313It's very good. You can also do a techmarine with cyber familiar if you're mechanized.
>>96233339You need HQs for more detachments. MoS can grant vanguard to shooty units like HSS so enemies don't move react off points to avoid melee vanguard. He can grant line 1 to the melee vanguard units to score objective+1 which can sometimes be 4VP instead of 1 from holding with vanguard. The free reactions are essentially another master of the legion for 80p. Units afield with a vox love to call a MoS to remove a status at the start of the turn. All this before even thinking about +1 to reserves.
>>96232525Where are those bits from? Specificall the chsetplate with the tubes on the sergeant but also the combibolters and helmets.
>>96234742I don't know, I think some of the legion traits are worse than DA.
I have decided to make my dudes Iron Hands. That is all.
>>96234821Probably the most underrated legion. Too bad GW hates them. At least their trait is broken
>>96234833I admire their brutality and aggressive autism. Looking forward to bashing the upcoming Breachers into Immortals.
>>96234821*Iron Warriors
Common typo, Anon.
>>96234853The only legion more pathetically cringe than IW are the Night Lords, but I suppose youโre entitled to live that way if you want
>>96234873Your legion is more cringe than IW and NL combined, anon
>>96234873No worries, I'm happy to help your correct your typo. Enjoy your Iron Warriors, Anon.
>>96234888>no uDecimate yourself
Which legions remain untainted by obnoxious fanbases and terrible lore?
>>96234903RG
Because no one plays them
>>96234821Good choice, anon.
The new Mk2 and Mk3 armour is pretty much made for them
>>96234903None. Learn to ignore the obnoxious secondaries calling themselves fans, and to disregard the bits of lore that are just character assassination. If you don't spend effort appreciating the positives you like over the negatives it's impossible to enjoy warhammer for more than a couple of years.
>>96234914>Coraxโs last word before vanishing in a cloud of vape smoke and body spray is โNevermoreโ>not terrible loreOk
>>96234934Cut him some slack, he must have been brooding over it in his diary for months.
>>96234930Ripping on people for their chosen legion is a time-honored part of the hobby and entirely positive.
>>96234903White Scars. Mid tier rules at best, excellent lore, very few players
>>96234923Wow that's a cool armor mark, where can I buy more of those kinds of marines?
>>96234923Never noticed they're missing the extra plates on the knees and now I can't unsee it.
Fucked up that DG never had their own breacher variant
>>96234934He did answer the question. It wasn't hope good the lore was, merely untainted by fans it is. Something can be /pure/ and trash.
>>96234971They have their own destroyer variant, thats much more on point.
>>96234967Unironically probably true
>no one plays them because they're "boring" and they get a bad rep in 40K>no over the top wank with gay characters like Corswain and Sevatar since none of the super autistic BL authors want to write them>so they just get to be cool roman marines in the game about legions with extra roman bling without drama>this also means all generic units fit in perfectly
>>96234977Fair enough. RL, IH and WS are all pretty untouched by fanlore because theyโre not popular.
>>96234437>Tectonic greatsword
>>96234984>Roman marines >main goal of kicking the absolute fuck out of the Persian esoterist marinesPretty cool ngl
>>96234934It's campy, sure, but no worse than:
- The Primarch of the Iron Hands is just Latin for Iron Hand
- Dark Angels/Lion El'Johnson
- Anything IF from 2.0
>>96235004Well Ferrus Manus didnt choose that name anyway
I like RG Deliverers fluff.
>Okay so we're gonna need you to deploy right next to the enemy and walk slowly towards them in a straight line. And you should stick your arms out to confuse them on the approach.
>Here, take this terminator armor. We repainted it bright red so everyone can see it's all yours.
>Now, go!
>>96234984UMs were never unpopular in HH, Calth was an important part of 1.0 between getting it's own boardgame with plastic mk4 and being the book that introduced militia. It's just lately almost everyone that joined in that era or before seems to have left the game.
>>96234956From a recaster. That's the old IH MkIII tactical squad kit.
Post-Isstvan 5 IH are a very interesting legion with plenty of space for doing whatever you want.
>>96234984>>no over the top wank with gay characters like Corswain and Sevatar since none of the super autistic BL authors want to write themWhat about future spaceroman doomguy Aeonid Thiel?
>>96235019I think it's also the comparison to 40k/newer HH.
The former dialled up UM to 12, so any level of popularity in HH will be much, much lower, and with the SoH/IF love in 2.0, they're clearly not even reduced poster boys.
If i cant run Samus in a Word Bearer combined force with Erebus im gonna lose it
>>96235019Know No Fear also was one of the better HH novels of the bunch, and possibly the best way that UM have been written ever.
>>96235004>>96235011Yeah it's a cryptid name the Medusans labeled him with since he never took a name for himself. Like Bigfoot or Mothman. Just a simple descriptor referring to their most immediately apparent physical attribute.
>>96234984>Corswain and SevatarCuriously both characters were conceived by the same guy.
>>96234873Anon the original guy wanted IH, the only legion to surpass NL in terms of being pathetic fuckups.
>>96235042Blessed is the mind too small for doubt
>>96234984>>no over the top wank with gay charactersRemus Ventanus?
>>96235070He's really just a guy.
Transports can be used by any qualifying unit now, right?
So the Rhinos from my Prime detachment can be used by the units in my Support detachment?
>>96235024Honestly anon I just want to shit on nu mkIII
Ok so whats the like gimmick with Sons of Horus, they're just gangers?
>>96235033>>96235070I have no clue who those are which proves my point, no one is jerking off to them.
>>96235075Yes, as long as the unit fits in the transport
There would be not point to the transport aux detachment otherwise
>>96235090That makes sense, didn't think about that.
Thanks anon.
>>96235033Aeonid Thiel was just a sergeant and his dirty dozen Red Marked just hunted traitor infiltrators during the Shadow Crusade. His biggest personal feat was outsmarting and killing Kurtha Sedd, the baddie of Betrayal at Calth.
>>96234585>deepstrike charging in the enemies movement phase.>weak.
>>96235075Correct. I am so happy I can finally run Breachers, now that you can just put them in a Rhino, instead of being forced to invest in a land raider for 10 basic troops.
>>96235088>no one is jerking off to themlol
>>96235088I jerk off to Fulgrim and Curze
>>96234800Notice how you were unable to actually name a worse one or make an argument.
There are 1 or 2 who are also pretty tame and DA level, though slightly less bad, but the other 15 good legion traits are leagues better than any spammable prime advantages by a very, very wide margin.
+10-20 attacks for world eaters. Basically +1 toughness vs shooting for the entire iron hands. Stationary-shooting for deathguard that also gives ignore terrain. +1 initiative army-wide for EC. Ravenguard making everyone snapshots beyond 18" (changing 3+ to hit into 5+ to hit and negating many special skills like Precision entirely). NL +1 to hit against anyone with status. Salamanders not being wounded on 2+ ever despite most of the marine-killing guns being S6-8 like autocannons & also no panic (not just panic 1) from flame weapons.
Those absolutely mog the stupid sergeant getting +1 attack gimmick. They're infinitely better than logistics for another non-prime slot. Easily shits on +1 leadership-which-doesnt-stack-with-characters.
Being able to teleport a squad of S4 Ap nothing joke tactical marines is not a replacement for losing 10-20 attacks or +1 toughness vs shooting which makes those bolters do essentially nothing.
>>96235101you can make a disordered charge without bonuses with a squad of WS4 3+ armor save despoiler or tactical troops who can't have a master sergeant and have no legion trait because they're dark angels and if you volley fire at all the enemy just removes the closest models while your 'ambush' is 5-6" away and then you fail the 1d6 inch charge and lose your entire shitty despoiler squad which is weak in melee anyway.
Yeah, that's nowhere near as good as a legion trait like getting +20 attacks on that same despoiler squad instead, you retard.
>>96235060In what way? The Night Lords get btfo by literally everyone, including Solar Auxilia lmao
>>96234800The fact that you didn't name a single one tells me that you're wrong
DA are the weakest legion in 3.0
>Wartable doesn't have the 2hand Warsmith that's at warhammer world only
God damn it.
>>96235155IH just get killed at the start and do nothing of worth after
Moonman doesn't count because he and his lot are basically outcasts from the legion
>>96234742You can count the number of legion traits that give combat buffs on one hand. WE get an attack on the charge, NL get +1WS if they work for it, EC get +1I, BA get +1S, IF get +1 to shoot.
The rest give utility benefits like what the DA get (reducing fear/being capped in how low their LD can go is entirely comparable with the IW trait for example, the WB trait is a free banner, SW and WS are a bit faster. AL are a bit further away.
Legion traits being "army is better at fighting in X way" are the minority now, its all niche or utility benefits.
>>96235155>legion of "strength is all that matters" autists buck-broken by their exemplar of perfect strength being pathetically BTFO that they develop literal brain damage and do nothing of note for the rest of the heresy
>receive Shat-turd-nonce box I got for $260
>every termie has a damaged chest plate (yes even the praetor)
>rulebook tore through the "envelope" it was supposed to be in and smashed some of the transfers
Holy KWAB
How did James fuck it up so bad?
>>96235155Eventually someone has to job to the other factions. It's a thankless job.
>>96235183Send them a pic and proof of purchase and you will legit get a second box for free
>>96235149You cant volley fire disordered charges dipshit.
>b-but despoilers are so WEEEEEEEAKlmao retard. Despoilers will still handily rape any non-melee oriented unit. And guess what, you pick their targets. If you cant make turn 1 teleport charges on the enemy turn work thats literally just a sign that you are significantly mentally disabled and should probably play a game like 40k instead.
>>96235191I bought it from 2ndhand ebay seller, not sure if that'd fly
>>96235182but enough about the Space Wolves.
The Iron Hands, despite being fucked up and splintered in rival factions, kept killing traitors and got shit done all the way to the end at Terra.
>>96235170WB come up a lot in comparison. Do you know how I know they've got a better trait than DA? Not a single person would pay 10pts per squad for the DA trait, whereas vexilla are not uncommon
>>96235210Can always try with just a picture. Usually worked for me
>>96235083They're a mix of all-rounders, melee leaners (developed the despoiler squad, IIRC), and gangers who tend to go for the quick and brutal approach.
the Black Reaving style is sort of a mix of NL's ganging up with RG's decapitation strikes, lacking the precision of the latter but packing more of a punch.
>>96235212>got shit donelmao
The iron hands spent the war doing retarded civil war shit and engaging in inconsequential fights with random traitors. They did fuck all.
>>96234800Which is the weakest legion in 3.0?
>>96235213>Not a single person would pay 10pts per squad for the DA traitlol
>>96235249Dark Angels, and it's not even close.
>>96235249Probably WB, gal vorbak fared poorly in the translation, they dont currently have access to demons (and demons probably wont have the busted shit to steal they did before, not that erebus can steal them any more either) and the mhara gal isnt the unholy terror it used to be
SW also dont have too much going for them, +2" setup is nice but their special units are kinda ass outside of grey slayers.
>>96234821I'd budget a little for when/if the Legends PDF comes out.
If the PDF gives everybody access to Storm Shield T5 Terminators, then those guys are going to FUCK. HARD. When combined with your Legion rule. Shieldwall effectively bumps them all the way up to T7.
The dropsite massacre simply was a mistake for a wargame.
Yes I know it was already set in stone.
>>96235265Absolutely delusional.
>>96234873Eh, I always enjoyed the pantomime villain aspect of NL from a conversion point of view.
Take this Leviathan, which they've decorated with dollar-store plastic skulls because they know he can't remove them himself and it pisses him off, for instance.
>>96234949>Mid Tier RulesI dunno, they've got Speed 9 Terminators who don't have Heavy, and are packing AP2 Power Weapons on the charge. That seems... pretty good?
>>96235149>you can make a disordered charge without bonuses with a squad of WS4 3+ armor save despoiler or tactical troops who can't have a master sergeant and have no legion trait because they're dark angels and if you volley fire at all the enemy just removes the closest models while your 'ambush' is 5-6" away and then you fail the 1d6 inch charge and lose your entire shitty despoiler squad which is weak in melee anyway.>Yeah, that's nowhere near as good as a legion trait like getting +20 attacks on that same despoiler squad instead, you retard.Odds of succeeding a 5" charge with 2d6 drop lowest is 58%
Any unit that moves in your opponents movement phase is a valid target for this.
Getting to jump out of the bushes and threaten to catch a unit in combat at the beginning of the first turn while completely negating overwatch because YOU are the reacting player is stronger than several legion Traits. Especially since the only counterplay is refusing to move any shooting unit in your army on the first turn and just fucking, letting the DA cap all objectives.
Hell you don't even need to use despoilers, you could teleport tacticals onto objectives before your opponent gets to move and contest control during your opponents movement phase.
Would much rather have that than +1 combat resolution ngl.
>>96234790red warden on the purple site and others
>>96235237That's not true! They also died a lot! And they're the only Legion to have their Primarch actually die like a bitch on Istvaan V!
>>96235249Hard to say. DA, IW and WB all did poorly for sure.
>>96235296>Especially since the only counterplay is refusing to move any shooting unit in your army on the first turn and just fucking, letting the DA cap all objectives.No, even as someone who thinks interdiction cadre are insane thats just not true. You move your shooting units first, and keep rapid response melee units for last.
Move your tacticals and shit first, if they get interdicted you volley fire back or whatever and then you send in some higher tier melee unit (vets for example?) to clear them out. If your opponent is now on an objective? You get vanguard points if you beat them. Or you put some embedded characters in with your tacticals, a centurion can do good work into despoilers, or a master sgt with a power weapon.
Its good, and will absolutely just win games at some points, especially vs non-marines, but its not some unbeatable god strat. Its a trap and once you do it a couple of times your opponents will learn to deal with it.
>>96235271I have a squad of the soon-to-be old cataphractii because I snagged an AoD box, but Iโm not particularly impressed by them. Tartaros look better imo, so maybe I will wait and see if they can take shields.
>>96235308Hey man, ignoring the penalties for status effects is something!
>>96235296Ahh yes interdiction cadre, wholly unique to DA. No other legions can use this, prime slots are just that rare apparently
I'm reading Horus Rising right now and I don't get the EC ranks. Eidolon is in charge of a company of a 100 marines (or at least the company that they sent to Murder was that big) and Lucius and Tarvitz are captains despite seemingly being in charge of just a single squad. So are they just sergeants with a fancy title? How come they get such fancy wargear for a sargeant? Meanwhile Loken, also a captain, has a whole company of around 600 at his command.
So Saturnine is now "awaiting reprint" on Wayland. Anyone have any thoughts what might be happening? Are they actually sending em back and reboxing or what?
>>96235341I'd pay points for the IW trait. I wouldn't pay points for DA's trait
>>96235249As a complete package? I think WB got done quite badly. SW are also not looking super hot in the grand scheme of things. But no legion looks "dead", there is no 2e thousand sons or white scars or ravenguard.
>>96235345>prime slots are just that rare apparentlyCorrect, they are, especially for troops. Unless you take a primarch (which dont always allow despoilers and tacticals btw) you get one troops prime slot in the main detachment and thats it, you then get a prime command slot and maybe a prime slot in your apex detachment.
Legion aux detachments sometimes (not always) have prime slots, but those also often come with caveats of what can go there. DA easy access to prime slots via stormwing detachments is very exclusive.
>>96235286The pose on that Levi is like a kid who just crapped his pants, did he see a Dark Angel or something?
>>96235249WB, Them and DA both have horrible do nothing legion Traits but with the WB you also have no wargear except letting your commander summon daemons which LITERALLY don't have rules yet. You don't have an auxiliary trait so you only have access to the core rulebook prime slots plus your apex detachment. Your apex detachment is worse than the core rulebook apex detachments. Your prime advantage is the blood angel legion rule but you can't even use it on your apex detachment. Your daemon marines are horrible in the new edition and you literally have the least intelligent special characters in the game.
You have a nice faction exclusive dreadnought tho.
>>96235349Back in the first few books legions were basically conceived as simply modern chapters x10. Don't worry about it.
>>96235351Darksphere took down the whole page.
I wonder if GW had to allow returns to avoid outright seller revolt.
>>96235349Don't think about it too hard, GW/BL don't.
>>96235349Eidolon is a lord commander; he can command thousands of EC marines. Tarvitz and Lucius are line captains they are in charge of companies.
Does it make sense for GW to release plastic auroxes and carnodons? The models are neat, but 10 man squads seems to be too small for SA, right?
>>96235364I was gonna say, I saw Dark Sphere remove saturnine from their site. I thought even at 35% off those sites were still making like 10% profits on em?
>>96235351Anon thats just what one of their "out of stock" notification looks like. They sold out of saturnine boxes. Tends to happen when you put them on a 35% discount.
>>96235319>moves his rapiers.>charge his rapiers.>kill his gun controllers.>no more rapiers.You can have the fucking 130 point maul despoiler squad, its done its job.
>>96235374I don't care if it makes sense, I NEED them.
>>96235382I strongly doubt it. They were at like 900 copies what, 24-36hrs ago. Some streamer was showing.
>>96235361>>96235366I think I have the reprints so legions seem to be made of chapters of 10000 and companies of 1000, though SoH don't have chapters, just a bunch of companies that vary in size. I just don't get how a small contingent of 100 marines has two captains and a lord commander in it.
>>96235369Their whole splinter of the expedition was just a hundred marines.
>>9623538035% profit on the ones they sell.
100% loss on the ones they don't.
And when they've got something like 300/400 left over...
>>96235351Saturnine isn't a limited FOMO box. Waiting reprint means they sold everything and are waiting for GW to send more.
>>96235374The Aurox is for hiding command squads inside now that they're actually useful.
>>96235374That's what they should have released in the first place
>>96235213>Not a single person would pay 10pts per squad for the DA traitAnd those people are retards who don't play the game, and ironically the word bearers are the one who know how good that actually is when YOU STOLE THE BETTER HALF OF OUR TRAIT
What weapons are looking good for Predators now?
>>96235374Militia could use them too in 1.0.
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>>96235349Early HH novels were operating on minimal pre-existing lore, and a pretty healthy serving of 'Brits writing whatever sounds cool bc military fiction'. It'd be quite a while until anything was properly nailed down.
>>96235397That's what it normally means.
I doubt they sold their whole stock overnight after dropping below standard limits due to overstocking.
>>96235369Tarvitz was first captain in Galaxy in Flames. Equal in rank to Abaddon, Typhon and so on. Don't worry about it.
>>96235397I doubt it. Hellstorm streamed like yesterday showing their stock was at 950.
>$65 for the autocannon turret
>$52 for the praetor
>$80 for 4 terminators (called it)
>$112 for the dread and $30 for the guns
>$58 for the OLD drop pod that used to be $35
Lol. Lmao, even
>>96235393>Their whole splinter of the expedition was just a hundred marines.That just means they led two not-full companies and later were supported by Edolon's squad that wanted to get a victory (or whatever; I don't remember the book that well). The command hierarchy of EC is described in the Betrayal book; it's said that units in other legions could have variation in size and purpose within their ranks.
Wouldn't it be funny if Wayland actually had 100 boxes instead of 1000 and this was all them fucking up their inventory resulting in prices dropping all across UK just bc of it?
>>96235457There's no way wayland only had 100 you dummy. We already managed to check the stock levels in real time as people were getting their copies.
>>96235445>ยฃ34 for one pod>or ยฃ50 for two
>>96235506And yet the two are the bigger rip-off of the two
Made some changes from yesterday - I don't own all of this yet compared to the previous list.
>>96235522Folding doors are not a big enough sell to me.
>>96235349Don't think about it, this book also have 150m tall titan and Sanguinius with brown hair.
Ranks in BL meant nothing, FW with book one was first to even give any meaning to astartes ranks.
>>96235384>>moves his rapiers.Anon be real, whos moving his rapiers outside of his deployment zone?
>>96235416Predator cannons, conversion beamers, plasma gun.
>>96235534the chinacast hard plastic with bad shrinking they used for terrain back in 7e is a hard pass for me.
>>96232241 (OP)I know when you have a command model in a unit, the unit can use the command models secondary characteristics for tests
But what if they have a higher initiative? Do you use that for reactions/set up moves?
has anybody seen a justaerin satunine yet? I'd like to see one
>>96235374Tell that to the arvus
>>96235560Anyone that wants to shoot if there's any kind of terrain?
>>96235537>this book also have 150m tall titanTo be fair it never says what class of titan.
>>96235638If you cant shoot from deployment with a 36"+ range then you fucked up deploying.
>>96235649If you can shoot everywhere from your deployment you need more LoS blockers.
>>96235601Having a higher I model in the unit, for marines at least, usually means getting +1 to the setup move
>>96235648Even Imperator is around 60m tall.
>>96235651Shooting everywhere =/= "being able to shoot". If you cant find a firing lane then youre either a retard or youre playing on a zone mortalis map.
>>96235634So were rhinos until they changed that
>>96235658It's the lost Yaomingus pattern
>>96235666But never Aurox.
>>96235658Considering the scale of the models, no.
>>96232241 (OP)Fuck it Iโm going full Death Guard and NO ONE can stop me. All their units are back in stock with GW, the question isโฆ are they fun?
Also any other fellow DG players or anyone who actually plays the game with advice on how many points I should be working towards?
>>96235249Dark Angels by a wide margin. WB are bad but Malefic is still better than anything dark angels ld6 gets, +1 combat res kicks in 10x more often than "fear2 becomes fear1" and Argel Tal is still cool, while DA heroes are slow losers. Lorgar is also still stronger than Lion because Brutal is still the most important stat in the game.
I'm curious why people are so mad about the official 3.0 rules? like, isn't HH always compared to historical wargaming? well, when historical wargamers don't like a set of rules, they move to another or make their own. Why don't HH fans just do that? The narrative and equipment is as well fleshed out as many periods of history, so just make your own rules lol
>>96235560You when I outflank 10 vetersn tacticals in an explorator to jump your ass
does mixing boltguns count as armour mixing?
e.g umbra bolter on a MK2
>>96235601You absolutely don't get any initiative bonus.
The game has two separate things
Characteristic Check = 2d6 dice roll
Characteristic Test = 1d6 dice roll
Command specifically only works when you're rolling 2d6.
>>96235411WB and DA arguing about who got the shitiest trait of 3rd edition is like watching two beggars arguing whose beer is the cheapest and shitiest. Absolute cinema.
>>96235720Sure but do things like reaction/set-up use the highest initiative in the unit
>>96233384Are you going to shit yourself if I use these pistols?
>>96235705>Why don't HH fans just do that?A lot are, but splintering the playerbase causes other headaches.
Also, it's something we wouldn't have to do if GW could make HH good.
>>96235737I was shitting myself before I started on Heresy, and I won't stop now.
>>96235710You know 10 veteran tacticals does basically nothing to a rapier team in shooting right? You wound on 6s. And firing a land raider at laser destroyer rapiers isnt a super hot move either, especially if you moved.
>>96235691>how many points I should be working towards?2500+ if you want primarchs and superheavies
>>96233384>The HH had a stable visual continuity"No."
>>96235718Bolters aren't tied to armour marks. GW just had to stick something into the plastic kits and people used what was available. Before that they were bought separately.
>>96235705The 40shitification does not belong in 30k. Boxlock is actual cancer. I'm so glad the community shamed GW into doing the right thing and expanding legacies. Even if it was delayed, because we now know unequivocally they were trying to cull the options and get away with much more. 40k fell and became this meta based export and ruined it because people didn't push back enough.
>>96235767>I'm so glad the community shamed GW into doing the right thing and expanding legacies.We didn't. They don't think what they did was a mistake, just how fast.
>>96235750Nigga I'm bringing 3 combi-meltas, 5 shotguns, and 2 heavy flamers, with a havoc launcher and heavy flamer in the land raider, I'm here to blow up something important, steal your backline objectives, and be a nuisance
>>96235767This. People in 40K will genuinely sit there and say itโs amazing that the Bloat Drone has 2 entries in the codex one for melee and one for shooting instead of just using wargear, their brains have just melted from this competitive 40K shit
>>96235772We did, objectively. Otherwise it would have been released already with barely any content. They'll try it again and they will fail so long as we continue to take ownership of the game we play. It's a classic case of customer base speaking out and the company folding to cater to customers actual wants.
>>96235780Oh you meant tactical veterans, not veteran tacticals.
>with a havoc launcher and heavy flamer in the land raideNeither of those are high damage weapons. Or shotguns for that matter.
>>96235735If you read it, it's perfectly obvious.
Setup is model by model. "by any given model, by adding that model's initiative characteristic to its movement characteristic"
There are zero rules that allow substituting initiative. Command tells you to substitute Leadership in Checks (2d6), no rule tells you to ever substitute initiative. Units do not possess a movement characteristic or an initiative characteristic. Models move at the speed the one model moves.
>>96235756primarchs were changed to be 3000+ mandatory.
>>96235767ok, but all I'm getting here is that you're mad that GW won't give you a good set of rules
newsflash: GW hasn't written good rules in decades. don't blame 40K. everything GW touches ruleswise is fucking abysmal.
oh no, I like the minis and I like the setting but I hate the rules, so I'll go on the internet and complain that a company that can't write good rules are getting even worse. just play something else with the minis lol???
>>96235782>theThe idea of "I can be socially low tier and aspire to be a 40k tourny eceleb" is so fucked. People couldn't handle the complexity. GW created the perfect low bar to enter social game that is easy and turned it into a spectacle. Now everyone is an armchair 6-0 GT level player on the internet. More so than the past. It's a sad existence.
why wouldn't the legacies .pdf be ready to go alongside the new edition out the gate ?
are you yourself actually interested in an edition that only exists for the sake of product churn and selling you gutted, half-assed books with support and expansion besides made up on the spot and not even provided in a timely fashion?
why anyone is giving so much as a glance or sniff at 3.0 boggles me. have some dignity.
or don't, i don't fucking care
>>96235737>>96235779>btfo>coming back hours later to shitpost>still seethinglol pathetic
>>96235795Sure but because coherency doesn't actually take effect in the assault phase beyond (must move closer to their unit to maintain coherency), that does seem to imply a faster model can be used to successfully get into combat with the slowpokes bringing up the rear
>>96235826>everyone who disagrees with me is the same personyou're just a nigger
>>96235807You misunderstood my entire post. GW was never good at rules, but 30k provided so many that you can find a balance by talking it out. I'm mad GW is trying to be the next NFL/MLB/FIFA but with tiny models by turning the game into a sport that attracts more poorly adapted people by making the game less complex.
I have a group of 7 friends and we play a myriad of TT games and will absolutely house rule stuff for fun.
>>96234090Im not bothered by the edginess of the marine on the left but i am bothered by the impracticality.
All those limbs are getting blown off his armor 2 minutes into combat.
>>96235815>why is anyone looking at the new edition of a game that will likely bring new players in and has some good ideas
>>96235826Quickly, make another meme with hanged people!
>>96235853james pls/overdone b8, flip a coin or something
>>96235835>>96235862>seething newfaggot touristsgo back
>>96232241 (OP)Are Grave Wardens and Death Shroud any good now?
If I wanted to just build a 1:1 pre-heresy/early heresy/bog standard company of MKII marines, prior to any support assets, how many boxes would I need?
y'know, it seems like if were so inclined you could use 1 normal sattie and the leftovers from the praetor to make a 2nd praetor
>>96232484I always thought they were shield emitters.
>>96235830Yes, having Argel Tal in a unit of Gal Vorbak is useful even without initiative swapping (which isnt a thing)
In the movement phase, the vorbs run 8" but Argel can use his 14" flying to instead end 2" in front of them plus his base width (1.5") to add 3.5" total towards the "unit's movement" effectively.
Then since he's in front he also does the first Setup which goes 5" instead of 4" of the others. Anyone too far back to end in coherency is obligated to move towards the nearest friendly model, though they don't actually have to end in coherency. So his wings add ~4.5" threat range to the Gal Vorbs.
Furthermore, since he's 14" move, Argel Tal can be used to prevent lascannons from shooting any of his unit by leaving the unit at start of the move phase to fly 1" from the lascannons, setup move into them so they get no overwatch shots at all, and the Gal Vorbak (who weren't close enough to get in melee with just 8"+4" setup movement can instead go 8"+4"+also the charge 2d6 pick highest, so usually now catching up to an enemy 16" away without the enemy getting any chance to take volley attacks that turn due to already being locked in combat during a setup movement of Argel Tal. (This is risky with a wimpy raven guard character, not very risky with Argel Tal T5 2+/4++ with 5+ FNP and 5 wounds)
>>96235910...five? hundred marines in a company or so, twenty in a tactical box
>>96235910Well minimum company size would be 100 so you'd need
>1 centurion>5x 20-man tac squadsTo be truly rank and squarepilled
What are good units to take if I wanna make a warcrimes force. Right now im thinking
>destroyers (legacy pdf when)
>flamer support squads
>veteran squads with disintigrators
>Phosphex
>>96235940>Well minimum company size would be 100Excluding character, it'd be 75 minimum (2x10 Tacticals + 5 TSS per platoon, 3 platoons per company).
>>96235948leviathan pobably with a claw and cyclomelta and phosphex and calivers coming in on a kharybdis is probably about as brutal a point application of force as a unit gets in the astartes ecosystem save a fellblade or falchion going off (superheavies are excellent for warcrimes too btw)
>>96235691What edition are you playing? 3.0? DG lost so much flavour from 2.0
>>96235705Because it invalidates so many 2.0 wargear options, kitbashes and conversion
>>96235794The point isn't to deal damage it's to screw you up, with statuses. Flamers for routing, shotguns and havoc launchers for stunning, combi-meltas and lascannons for hard targets
>>96236004If you split fire you snapshot, and you cant split fire with infantry.
>>96235705The bitter pill that most refuse to swallow is that the people who started with 1.0 are newfags who only jumped in after the era got official rules support and dozens of novels. They've always been consoomers, it's just the brand of slop is unpalatable to them.
there's nothing preventing one from using rewards of treachery to pull grey stalkers from space wolves to fill a compulsory troop slot in an alpha legion detachment as best i can discern in the 2.0 rules. can anyone corroborate?
>>96235782What happened with 10th is worthy of study. People parroting GW's "justifications" when they don't hold to the tiniest of scrutiny and are not just wrong, but the complete opposite of what actually happens mot of the time.
>>96236034>compulsory troop slotI'm not sure what you're even asking. There's no such thing as compulsory troops in HH3 at all.
In fact, it's legal to have zero of the detachment slots filled. You won't min many games that way though.
>>96236061you're doing this to hurt me and i'm loathe to admit how effective it is, even if it's just a little
>>96236059More like...Ultra-MORONS
>>96236059UM wouldn't be my first pic as they're canonically the legion with one of the biggest aversion to warcrime weapons and phosphex.
>>96235498You checked what they said they had. Them having 1000 also sounds pretty ridiculous
>>96236016For the tactical unit, I don't need to split fire, I just pop up behind, fire off the combi-meltas, then go in my way debugging infantry
For the land raider, all of its weapons are defensive, and defensive weapons don't snap shot when split firing
>>96235990Some sure, but a lot of what people seem to treat as invalidated is "I now have to use this as a different unit" (see foot vets: centurion command squad/consuls as centurions)
>>96236077NTA but
>foot vets: centurion command squadIs not the same as
>consuls as centurionsThe former is fine the latter is unacceptable
so new scale MKIV in 2026, right?
then an even larger scale MKVI in 2028 with 4.0 so we can start the cycle again
>>962360862030 actually,they do 8 years between model refreshes
>>96236082Why? Theyre just space marine commanders. A terminator champion and a terminator centurion are the same dude with a 1ws difference. If anything the vets as command squad is the bigger difference since those at least change role in a significant way. But "my space marine captain is now a different flavor of space marine captain" just isnt a big difference.
>>96236082>>consuls as centurionsthe escalation from line centurion to delegatus to praetor is a continuum of coremost command figures and circumstantial shifts one level upward as a scenario might call for or allow is fine
a delegatus could probably pass as a centurion as well or otherwise be operating in such a capacity
but a praetor praetor praetor model should be gnarly enough that they quite strictly are that as opposed to being a lowly delegatus
the rest of the consul ecology is generally distinct enough that they're not going to reasonably pass as anything else, maybe save chaplains which for my part i consider somewhat in tangent and closely related to the centurion/delegatus/praetor chain of escalation
also if a praetor were to die it would probably come down to a delegatus analgue figure having to become the new one even in their present state
>>96236069>the legion with one of the biggest aversion to warcrime weapons and phosphex.Which they accomplished by funneling most of those weapons into specific formations instead of of spreading them throughout the legion.
I wanna build one of those formations.
Plus they are one of the few legions to get their own destroyer variant.
>>96236059Wait for Nemesis Destroyers in Legacies (ETA 2 more weeks)
>>96236126Wait for Nemesis Destroyers, coming July 85th
>>96236144>GW made the mistake of using the Julian Calendar instead of Gregorian
>>96236086>new MKIVexpect it after true MKV and MK3. Only 9 years left.
>>96236118>the rest of the consul ecology is generally distinct enough that they're not going to reasonably pass as anything elseYoure kidding right? A champion is just a guy with a sword. An overseer is just a guy. Likewise for the warmonger or whatever.
Basically the only consuls that cant go for anything else are librarians and chaplains, and even then most models people use for them absolutely can.
>>96236144We're getting Legacies by July 55th at the latest. Militia is July 85th (I've seen the new roadmap)
this makes 23 articles in a row with GW trying to spam the faggoty pictures of the saturnine shoulders to try to make people give a shit about them
I'm sick of looking at the fucking things. I'm not gonna buy the box even when it hits -40% soon. I refuse to ever have to look at that stupid shit unit ever again.
>>96236121reminds me of the 20 librarians off in the corner in the World Eaters.
Did they ever fight as an army, just send all 20 librarians on missions far as possible away from Angron? That'd be an interesting RoW.
>>96236173Like what part of this screams "unique and special dude who cant work as a generic guy"?
This is of course once again not mentioning that the conversions people make invariably use parts from other kits and models, your custom champion using a terminator praetor/centurion can absolutely pass for a praetor/centurion.
>>96236173a champion might have a very distinct paragon blade as opposed to a mere power sword and that might be a visual note that isn't so readily paved over
an overseer is a good example of something that might have some overlap though yes
but a warmonger in my eyes has transponder beacons and the space-manipulation probes built into his tartaros suit sticking up out of him like jet alone, but they could of course be simply switched off with him getting to be a centurion or whatnot
chaplains in my case are generally just cat herders for my eater shits so their appearance doesn't veer off in a direction very dissonant with the likes of centurions and delegatii and even the praetor
i'm all for subbing things out as wanted though where it's reasonable and thoughtful. if the wargear is 1:1 there's literally zero issue
>>96236232>might have a very distinct paragon blade as opposed to a mere power swordMaybe, but generally they look the same (case in point: every official praetor model (presumably using a paragon blade) and the official champion models). Also all the special characters with one (like loken or abbadon). Paragon blades are just master crafted power swords (essentially), they tend to look the same.
>warmongerHere is one of the first results I got from simply googling it. Its what someone is using as their warmonger (and it does look very pretty). But what about this model could not work as a regular centurion?
I'm starting to think the reason why custards and silent sisters were paired up is because custards are too boring as their own thing.
>>96236077>see foot vets: centurion command squadThen why is the symbol for Elites a marine on foot with bolt pistol and chainsword.
>>96236249he could be anything up to and including a praetor were the story to so play out that way.
the aetheric rupture rig is simply focalized in the emblem thingie ovehead and gets turned off and used as a symbol of command
>>96236249Nta and not part of this discussion but how do you make a praetor distinct from a centurion?
>>96236249Heres another one. Im not doubting that there ARE going to be some warmongers that are decked out in a way that might make subbing them hard (not impossible mind you). But a lot of consuls are just "fancy dude".
>>96236266No idea. But I also dont think basing decisions or judgement on "what an icon looks like" is a very resonable thing. The lord of war icon looks like dorn, you can still take corax or valdor as one. Maybe foot vets were planned at some point, theyre certainly a weird thing to not have. But my point is that if you have a unit of foot vets you really liked you can definitely still use them, and pretending otherwise is imo kinda silly.
>>96236266Same reason the symbol for land raider explorators is a dude with a sniper
>>96236194>Sick armor>absolutely trash bottom of the barrel garage poseGives me a sad everytime I see it.
>>96236275it's a continuum
but, praetors can take things like a paragon blade on top of the other option being subbed out for like a legion specific melee armament and that is a configuration strictly available to them
>>96236275As an AL player? Nothing. huehuehue
>>96236289Still a better pose than the new mk2 centurion imo.
>>96236252They were paried because it looked nice on art.
You know Emperor and Valdor with custodes as Emperor's right hand and Krole with sisters ad Emperor's left hand.
Lore and rules just followed cool looking art.
>>96236275Honestly? You dont. Look at the new "centurion" from the saturnine kit and then look at the "praetors" from AoD or betrayal at calth. There really isnt some clear cut separation in fanciness between them.
The praetor should ideally stand out in some way, be a nice focal point for the army, but there really isnt some unique class of models for them. This dude was a praetor model back in the day, not exactly the flashiest thing in the world right?
>96236290
actually idk how much overlap to this specific example a champion consul might allow
>>96236252>big golden brutish male custodes>small sneaky silver sistersTheyre a nice little pairing, good visual contrast, instantly recognizably different roles, complementary gimmicks.
>>96236289>>Sick armorWe looking at different models?
>>96236306It also depends on the Legion
Would an RG Praetor shine like the door to a whorehouse? Probably not.
Alpha Legion might dress their praetor as a tac sgt and vice versa for the funni
WE would likely favor ornamentation that can be used in combat (spiky, stabby, slashy bits)
>>96236290>but, praetors can take things like a paragon bladeA paragon blade isnt exclusive to praetors (the champion), and its also not exactly some clear cut visual thing. These are the (iirc) original praetors, theyre equipped with paragon blades. They look like power swords.
>>96236324>WE would likely favor ornamentation that can be used in combat (spiky, stabby, slashy bits)Depends on when. The picture in the post you responded to IS a we praetor.
And its not like the alpha legion were entirely austere either (for example), heres dynat, pretty fancy and cool right?
Praetors and centurions can look basically as fancy or plain as you want, but the rules for the legions are also less clear cut. Sure, you CAN go super all in on the legion gimmick, but its not like everyone did that, theres fancy RG and AL and plain looking WE, for the most part everyone would have looked mostly normal with exceptions in either direction and maybe some tendencies for which direction is more prevalent based on the legion.
Since until recently everyone in 40k was white, and in 30k most still is. We also know that Emperor was important and influencial figures across the ages.
Do you think Emperor was Yakub, father of white race?
It would explain a lot in 30k and 40k.
Heres two praetors from betrayal at calth. You can tell how unique and exclusive the aesthetic is.
>>96236376Right can be used as a praetor, but he's almost always been advertised as a chaplain.
>>96236376Word Bearers really have some of the best drip in 30k.
>>96236194Nta, but that model full of ordnance icons can only work as a Siege Breaker unless they're removed
>>96235445got damn how did loken face that horrid demon
>>96236452Ordnance icons?
>>96236376>1.0 praetorsget shot, fag
>2.0 praetorsle dramatic pose
luv me axe
>3.0 praetors*stands autistically"
get over here so I can rape you (I have mobility issues)
>>96236468>*stands autistically"Its literally just the "poster" pose, all of the other ones look loads better and its baffling GW went with the objectively ugliest pose.
>>96235445>GW manager: Nobody is buying Saturnine starter box and Horus Heresy 3 is dead! How do we get people to buy the starter box?!>Intern: price the individual kits at $600, then mentally-handicapped retards will say "saturnine box, 50% savings!!! BEST DEAL EVER"
>>96236509>BEST DEAL EVER![MEANWHILE. IN THE EBAY SCALPERS FORTRESS OF DOOM!]
>MYNEH! THANKS BOYS! I'LL BE DANCING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK NOW!
>no one is picking up games locally
>weekends are painting and market speculating saturnine sold on 3rd party sites
Mutts haven't done their monthly financials reports yet, and the stereotypical mutt panic doesn't occur until "muh quarterlies".
The Praetor continues to be overvalued, but anon wont ever see it hit the 10 burgerbux line unless there's human confusion while it's being listed.
I'll continue to monitor numbers.
>>96235892>xe only uses official gw sanctioned kits there's no way you were playing back in the day if you're this sensitive to other peoples models
>>96236463https://ammochiefs.com/ordnance-insignia/
Whats a good place to get spare arms doing "poses" (pointing, holding things, having knives)?
>>96236624Well, hands doing those things crop up a lot in the 40k line (Tac squads, devastator squads), as for the arms, really depends what mark you want.
>>96236160Mk3 nuscale already exists
>>96236633Ah fuck, im going to have to get 40k kits arent I?
>what markI am frankly not intelligent enough to know or care. As long as its fine for HH. My entire collection is a mishmash of MkII, III and VI anyways (some old, some new)
>>96236644Right, 6 years then
So... since they're basically the only unit to get MORE instead of less options... what is the optimal way to build Learneans now? Thunder Hammer seems like an obvious no-brainer, but what about the ranged options? Do I take the Conversion Beamer? Or is that a meme? What do I change the Volkite Charger to? Normal Combi-Bolters? Or Combi-Volkite?
What are we thinking?
>>96236687>ince they're basically the only unit to get MORE instead of less optionsNight raptors.
Sekhmet.
Reavers.
I never got why they dress up as bats. I've never heard of bats on Nostramo.
>>96236711Come to think of it, Lerns and Raptors both gained the same thing: Hammers.
>>96236743They're spooky and Conrad was a Theatre Arts Major.
>>96236743>maxis feed and shreed
>>96236743>FleshwrightBro you're just a surgeon don't make it weird
>>96236310It looks great, its like if a zaku was made into a set of power armor
>>96236647>I am frankly not intelligent enough to know or care. As long as its fine for HH.Not caring is not fine for HH.
>>96236580He's a retard, don't mind him
>>96236034RoT creates a slot and puts a unit in that slot, it doesn't get put into a different pre-existing slot, so no, it can't use the Prime Advantage that a different slot has.
Game from today with SoHbro. Does anyone else think the challenge system kinda flops? This was my fourth game and I canโt see much of a reason for most challenges to not use Seize the Initiative or Finishing Blow over everything else.
>>96236938>Does anyone else think the challenge system kinda flops?>deep strike died to give its dev time to thisHard yes. Challenge is such a waste of time and immediately snowballs once someone is wounded. It was solved before the game launched. They should have cut it for core, added it to a journal as an option secondary that awarded VPs so people could opt out.
>>96236580>Using primaris bits in HH models is totally the same as the custom armour bits people made before FW kitsHoly shit at the audacity of this retard
>>96237004Think it's okay to use different helmets (i.e. the primaris laurel helmet) for UM dreads, seeing as the dreadnought heads don't follow any particular armor mark?
>>96236938yeah, it sucks balls. It slows the game down to just make things even more imbalanced towards either brutal damage tanky things or to super alpha strike thunderhammers which get to negate their in initiative disadvantage (the only downside of thunderhammers) by charging and calling dibs on Seize or their legion strike-first gambits.
>>96237024If we go use actions instead of words
>pile of space wolves lying dead>leman russ ass kicked and wounded>leman russ retreats off the battlefield, leaving pile of space wolf corpses behind>no consequences to angron whatsoeverYeah, there's no possible way to pretend space wolves didn't die and lose and tuck tail.
Bolters don't kill primarchs. Primarchs have survived a titan main gun to the face. Angron's artificer armor and literal god speed would have just had him jerk to the side if the wolves started opening fire and the World Eater army would've quickly mulched every single last furry and then Angron would've taken Leman Russ head as he was doing already.
>>96237054>Bolters don't kill primarchs.A bunch of alpha legionnaires nearly killed guilliman with bolters.
>>96237069he was naked in his library with a pen and piece of paper and they were using banestrike bolters with special armor-piercing ammunition to penetrate primarchs since normal bolter rounds wouldn't even scratch a primarch, and even then he suffered no actual damage.
>>96232241 (OP)Thoughts on mixing armour marks within a squad? Mark II and III for example with the Death guard? Iโm sure they didnโt give a fuck what kind of mark you wore in a squad or am I wrong? II and VI might not make sense tho
>>96237069to a primarch in primarch armor, getting hit by a bolter is identical to getting hit with an airsoft gun. A very minor sting and exactly zero damage.
>>96237054>>96237069A RG Sniper nearly killed Fulgrim. Had he hit the eye socket instead of temple he'd be dead.
>>96237099what you're saying is a special gigantic sniper rifle hit to the skin didn't inflict any wound on fulgrim at all. Yeah that's pretty convincing proof that space wolves couldn't have even scratched angron's armor.
>>96237004seems ive stuck a nerve
reminder that you're chimping out over holstered pistol bits and antennae's. Nobody here is posting anything with mkx armor
>>96237087As the war ground on supplies would likely be intermittent and unreliable. Theyโd probably use whatever armor marks that were available and serviceable.
>>96237099he literally did shoot fulgrim in the eye with a needler sniper rifle and it didnt kill fulgrim, with a sniper rifle to the eyeball.
"Sharrowkyn eyed his target through his rifle's reticule and took the shot -- hitting Fulgrim exactly where he had planned: in the primarch's eye. Without looking back, Sharrowkyn quickly picked up his rifle and made for the rappelling lines fixed at the Thaliakron's outer walls. There was no time to check if he had killed his target, but his aim had been true.
The high velocity dart had penetrated Fulgrim's left eye, with just a little puff of blood. Unfortunately for the loyal sons of the Emperor, the Traitor primarch would survive."
Yeah, bolters would have done literally zero to angron, you fucking retard.
>all 2.0 rulebooks/splats had a PDF version available for purchase in addition to physical copies
>3.0 only has physical releases of the rulebooks/splats with no news of PDFs other than the upcoming Legacies PDFs
Why. Why would you do this, GW. Why must you hurt me. God, give me strength.
I'm trying to make these guys look cool but fuck me what have I got to work with
>>96237160They want you to use their app.
>>96237168every single alternative pose makes them look uglier than before.
They're a dreadnought armor with an amputated body inside. That means they don't do big-steppy. They'd be doing crude simple movements.
>>96237172Theyโre not amputated
>>96237179they are. Their legs would break with their ankles being at the knee level of a saturnine if they weren't amputated, moron.
>>96236687How about 2 Combi-Grav's and 2/3 Combi-Volkite? Can't go wrong with Combi-Volkite! Use the Grav option to pin a unit on the objective for a turn.
>>96237169Yeah, nah, miss me with that shit. Iโve got too many damn apps already. I ainโt installing another one unless the damn thing can sing, dance, make a mean cup oโ Joe, do my taxes, and suck me off. Unless it can do all of that, I donโt wanna hear about it.
I just want to play the damn game without lugging an entire library around. Is that too hard to understand, GW?
>>96237206Reminds me of my idea of making an Alpha Legion Modular Terminator armour, with all these various pieces of equipment attached, meant to emulate such and such a Terminator variation.
>>96237183If they are amputated there's no reason they couldn't make full use of the suit's range of motion
>>96237087Just look at any of the source books. They frequently show varied armour marks and mixed srmour on a single marine.
Supply lines were unreliable at best - you get what's available, not what matches your bros.
>>96236452He's not a siege breaker, he's a champion
>>96235846it's his coat of arms
>>96237297I know. It should be energy weapons, right?
>>96237308the guns should extend further back, they're too unbalanced right now. They could stand to be bigger as well
>>96237312Unbalanced guns? In 30k?
>>96237319>something else looks bad, therefore it's ok for my work to look bad
>>96237206No joke, a dual heavy bolter/mauler bolt cannon + fist saturnine squad would be so fucking cool
>the leather holsters can be any color, just call it a xenos hide
I'm such a fucking genius, it's unreal.
Anyone else kind of wish that Sabotoers at least had Champion and not just Specialist so they could charge a MoS, challenge him and then shank him with their Power Daggers?
Although, I suppose I could make him a Master Sargeant... nowhere in that prime benefit does it say you can't slap that onto a unit of 1...
>>96237377You have to be a sergeant to get master sergeant sadly
>>96237393Dang. What is his job then? Meltabombing Rhino's?
>>96237397extra detachment and medoicre distraction piece, thats about it. Hopefully someone drives a predator or sicaran past you to jam a bomb in its tailpipe.
>>96237397Being annoying on your opponent backfield. Any lonely HSS or tactical squad on an objective can be locked in melee and they are gonna have a pretty hard time doing anything to him with WS5 and a 2+sv
Stun bolter is also pretty good
>>96237422He's also got Venom Spheres he can just pocket sand them during the Volley Phase as well.
>>96237279That's what gw ssys, but not what the model looks like
>>96237460I feel like venom spheres should have Phage(S) or something like that. As they are, they are just slightly less worse frag grenade. Don't know why anyone would pay 5p for that
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Planning to convert some of the new 40k to HH indomitus terminators (or run them as tartaros if the PDF is a dumpster fire)
Is there anything else I should do to 30k-ify them. My plan right now is to
>Scrape off the imperialis chest symbol
>replace the crux shoulder pads
>cover the primaris belt buck with a tabbard
>swap the storm bolters with combi-bolters
Ultramarines if it matters
>>96237497The new indomitus models are BIG anon, justa word of warning.
You'll also want to remove the purity seals.
Bonus heresy points if you add to/modify the armour itself. The red scorpion dude has an interesting example of mk4 design traits on his indomitus suit, while space shark has mk5 inspirations with bonding studs etc.
Why is Death Guard the best legion?
They look strange in purple.
You can deny it all you want. 1.0 is the superior system. Come home brothers.
>>96237557Can't come home to something I never played.
1.0 was active when I was in college and broke.
>>96237556They look strange.
>>96237528Because war crimes are fun
>>96237563Whatโs stopping you from downloading the books for free?
>>96237556Why do they have servo joints where the limbs connect to the torso?
>>96237593because the pilot's limbs are not inside the exosuit's limbs. The pilot is either a nugget quadruple amputee or curled up in a ball
>>96237205yes but have you considered shareholder value, anon
>>96237593>>96237597They are like MEC troopers in XCOM, just a torso with a head, when outside the suit they probably have prosthetics so they can go about their daily lives, but inside the suit they're just a torso. Min Impulse Unit takes care of the rest
>>96237556Why would an EC termie wear an aquila that's not the palatine aquila?
>>962375571.0 is fluffier and is good with some fixes but suffers from a small player base due to the gap between 1.0 loosing support and 3.0 coming out which is where we are at
2.0 is a piece of shit with so many design and core system failings that it immediately needed fan and house rules for anyone to enjoy the game. Hope your row supported the 1/4 of good units throughout the edition so you werenโt forced to spend points on them as a crutch with how awful most units were
3.0 is doing a lot of weird stuff but overall it seems like the worst offenders this edition rules wise are all things that take 2 seconds to house rule out. Some stuff stings like chaplains effectively becoming cheap comms officers with a good free melee option but there doesnโt seem to be anything as egregious as 2.0s community wide houserulings like with dreadnoughts
>>96237614No one at GW cares anymore. It's slop.
>>96237675Your summaries of 2.0 and 3.0 are mixed up. 2.0 is fixed with a couple of house rules, 3.0 is the abomination.
>>96237588NTA but I guess, back then not having money on overpriced resin toy soldiers to play with, and right now not having link to download it from because OP one was taken down when heresy 3.0 leaks started.
>>96237713This is old fluff right? I should flip through the word bearers section and see if they're STILL using that one gal vorbak art or if they finally got a new one
>>96237614Because it's marketing pic of monopose that is based on nostalgia with slapped colourscheme.
All saturnine art will be just this one pic with some weapon swaps and changed colour scheme, no legion specific helmets, pauldrons, or other ornaments.
Model came with Imperial Auxillia and like it or not both loyalists and traitors will have aquilla on their chest even most anti imperial daemon worshiping word bearers.
>Magisterium Vexilla
>Units within 8" of a Model with a magisterium vexilla must pass a Leadership Check when scoring an Objective or only a single Victory Point is scored.
lol
>>96237689Every single vehicle in 2.0 is garbage. Just outright. Any time you wanted to use one you either were stuck with it because no alternatives exist or you were stuck praying that your opponent didnโt look at them the wrong way. Ffs a 10 man tactical squad with aa on the Sgt were more durable than most tanks ;[
Why would you ever play Ultramarines? The Ultramarines only ever fought the World Eaters, Word Bearers and Night Lords during the Heresy. Any other face-off breaks the lore. So why would you limit your options like that?
>imagine being the legion that gets their journal sloptica one month before 4.0 releases
>>96237614Because GW is retarded and put an Aquila on the torso. Like idiots. So now traitor Saturnine Terminators have aquila on them unless you scrape them off
>>96237753You can either:
1. Pretend it's the scouring
2. Pretend the ultramarines are fighting a small detachment of another traitor legion you didn't list that was sent to support the Shadow Crusade
3. Have Ultramarines who were deployed elsewhere in the galaxy when the Heresy broke out
>Ferrus Manus's tinkering with his personal armor contributed to the development of Cataphractii armor, and his attempts to refine Indomitus armor led to the creation of Gorgon armor
>Vulkan developed the production techniques that let Saturnine armor be reproduced on a mass scale
Why didn't Perturabo design any tactical dreadnought armor? Why didn't he make terminator suits easier to build? Is he stupid?
>>96236596You're literally the only person who sees this
40k sanguinary guard used to have the MK4 jump pack, which got me thinking
what would metallic "wings", or I guess flight stabilizers look like for heresy?
I dont really like the look of the MK4 jump pack by itself
>>96237792You see those golden retards in the back? You see the stupid-looking wings on them? They would look like that.
>>96237753>a galaxy-spanning war with unreliable records only unfolded in the specifically autistic way I decide it didOk
>>96237807oh forgot to say
"in general", not sanguinary guard specific
like MK4 destroyers or whatever
>>96237792I mean, they're decorations that serve no practical purpose whatsoever, they're just there to cosplay as their primarch. So they can look however you want, they could even be made out of cloth or cardboard
>>96237807Is it wrong that I really like these? but they feel like Curstodes equipment, they remind me of that old Banana Terminators art
>>96237814Well, I imagine Sangy woouldn't want the warcrime squad looking like him, since he was all about downplaying the nastier aspects of his legion
>>96237807they aren't too good at representing their writing in visual form
>>96237775>Perturabo >Is he stupid?Yes.
He took perfect brutal(3) hammer made by Fulgrim and made it brutal(2) and unweidly.
If pert was to design terminator armour he would tinker with cataphractii and made it 5++ or would modify tartaros to make it slow and purposfeul. But to compensate he would also made it bulky(3)
How much can you gate away with on late heresy Death Guard? By the time of the Siege of Terra they were already freaks, but were they "use the 40k plague marine kit" freaks?
>>96237855>made it brutal(2) and unweidly.You're behind the times.
>>96237885>3.0 removes brutal >its still the best rule in the game
>>96237885I always felt like he should've made it slower but hit harder. Isn't the lore that he made it more unbalanced? The whole "I made it worse so it can't be used against me" thing is retarded to begin with but that's Perty for you.
>>96237689Delusional. SA alone need a complete re-write from the ground up, because that army is utterly non-functional in 2.0. And that is just one example.
>>96237885>IM -1 D3>IM -2 D2
>>96237755No one is going to play 4e if there is one.
"No edition churn" is going to be the tall cry in 3 years.
>>96237870Current 40k DG have an atrocious aesthetic. Go for FW or 90s metals instead.
>>96237870The artwork portrays them as 40k plague marines, tentacles and all.
>>96237976most of the 40k range is great, it's just the "random tentacle replacing a limb or coming out of my torso" models that suck. That's not a disease, that's not a plague, that's a lolrandom tzeentch mutation
>>96237976>FW or 90s metalsThe ones you can't buy anymore?
>>96237982oh, that's just straight up , Morty's 40k model. Does this mean you can use it in HH nad be lore-friendly?
40k plague marines are way too cartoony imo, I'd buy tuga bodies and convert my own
>>96237807The wings were super retarded and 40K got it right by removing them
>>96238044What an abysmal opinion.
>>96237993yeah but he will likely be getting a resin demon model for that
>>96238090it's going to be hard to beat his 40k version. For all the shit the 40k model range gets, they did Morty just right. Maybe I've got shit taste, but I feel like all the Primarchs with 40k versions look better in that version
>>96236509Are we just pretending to be retarded now?
>>96238013It's the official paintjob. Eavy Metal fucking sucks. Look at some other paint jobs and the models look great
>>96238115Guilliman is ass, Lion is okay but not fitting for 30k but also still better than his actual 30k model, Angron is better than his 30k daemon model, Fulgrim is worse but snake hole is kinda cool, 30k daemon Mortarion will inevitably look awful because they won't be allowed to make it look like his 40k model so they'll have to make up some bullshit.
>>96238157new bread
>>96238157im back
>>96238157the bad shops will continue so long as I bake
>>96237982No it doesn't, stop saying this.
>>96233357Tortuga have some nice designs, but the quality and some proportions are shit. For example I boguht mk3 and 5 jump packs and the exhausts are all fucked up, really ugly. I also bought some crouching mk3 and they are almost the same height of their standing mk3. Plus they ship from Ukraine so you need to pay import duties.
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