Work in Progress "Fist Pump" Edition

>Full-on /WIP/ OP Links Pastebin
https://pastebin.com/BE42AEcD

>WIP Tutorial Images Mega
https://mega.nz/#F!TvQFCaLb!w8WZKCcOsTRasxrI0JWezw

>Saint Duncan's "Six Things I Wish I Knew When I Started Painting"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufP8ka3KGno

>Saint Duncan also explains thinning your paints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxWgsqSf74s

>Paint thinning 102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI

>4 EASY Chipping Tricks For Beginners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4comhKHJM

>Decal Like a Pro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKLiEW7p9c

>How to Edge Highlight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoRbYuAfbEk

>How to use contrast style paints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhholrozptI

>How to Paint with Tremors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqp76vAJu9g

>Airbrush Priming and Thinning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkntrSBvXxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjBQzoukFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JVUxABe44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEqT_R41JX8

>Who's Johnny, she'd say, and smile in her special way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Df191WJ3o

>Previous Threads:
>>96212812
>>96191957
>>96167010
>>96143312

Post leagues of votann

Anyone have any nice skeletons with glowing eyes to share? I'm planning a future Soulblight project and the unifying theme is going to be a cyan/teal glow.

>>96235007
>>96235205
>can't help with either of these requests

>>96235205
Not my creation but here you go. It was posted here ages ago.

Still need to dunk them in nuln oil, base them and apply varnish. Is one spray coat of varnish sufficient, or should it be done multiple times?

Sure I‘ll repoost. Do you have any other easy terrain ideas? I was thinking maybe those classic XPS rock formations.

>>96235480
forgot pic of course

>here is your pure white paint bro

>>96235501
>shake and squeeze
I do that every day

>>96234940 (OP)
I don’t understand what is the point of glass palette?

>>96235544
Overcharge you out of your money.

>>96235544
I can see it being used for acrylics, but it's pretty fucking dumb for oils, imo.

>>96235544
I guess the gimmick is that you can clean it easily or something. Definitely not worth the price though

>>96235544
Some people insist on paying the hobby tax rather than using a ceramic tile as a dry palette.

>>96235582
>a ceramic tile
I use beer bottle caps for my palettes.

I use my thigh.

>>96235571
Acryllics will come of a ceramic tile in 2 seconds with dish soap and a sponge under warm water

How do I find time to paint when I work 6 days a week? My backlog keeps getting bigger and bigger....

>>96235636
Get a better job.

>>96235636
Why are you buying more stuff if you don't have time to paint

>>96235665
I have a great job. I make over 100k usd a year, full benefits, paid sick time, 401k, and pension. It's a demanding job but definitely a good one.

Got the boys all lined up for one last shot before I hide all my conversion work with primer. I will miss looking at them.

>>96235692
It's not a good job if you have to work 6 days a week and have no time or energy for leisure, sorry

>>96235692
No job that takes away the total majority of your life is good.
The only exception is when it is also your hobby, but since you mentioned everything but, I don't think that is the case.

>>96235681
I have a 3d printer. I see some cool monster or piece of terrain that I think would be neat in my d&d campaign and figure i will get to it later. It's starting to get a little overwhelming.

>>96235702
What about you, what's your job?

>>96235702
This is why gen z is weak

>>96235712
Sell them on Etsy.

>>96235714
>you are weak if you don't want to wagecuck for mr. bossman 18 hours a day
I am, too, a CBT enjoyer.

>>96235730
Enjoy being 1 $500 emergency away from bankruptcy your whole life.

>>96235728
If i don't have enough time to paint them, I certainly don't have time to run an Etsy store.

>>96235714
Sorry grandpa, slaving your life away for someone else is not some great honor no matter what your boomer dad told you. I get paid for 8 hours, 5 days a week and that's how much I'm going to work.
>>96235713
Healthcare but I'm paranoid so not saying anything more than that.

>>96235755
I didn’t say sell painted ones on Etsy. You said you have too many unpainted ones that it’s becoming a problem. So sell them. Shrink your backlog and make money doing it. Or eBay or whatever. You can always print another one for yourself later right?

>>96235757
Someone call Luigi

>>96235769
What i am saying is that if I was going to spend the time posting, packing, shipping, responding to customers, etc, I would just spend that time painting instead.

>>96235613
I use medicine pill blisters. Bonus points for being able to seal them until the next day with a it of scotch tape.

>>96235730
OK, but /btg/ is the other way.

>>96235755
>you can only earn good money if you wageslave for mr. bossman for 18 hours a day
Is this some weird American thing?

>>96235827
Yes. Almost 2/3 of Americans don't have $500 in the bank. But let's keep sucking off the billionaires and giving them more tax breaks by cutting social safety nets.

As it turns out, if you put all the money at the top, it never trickles down, they just keep it.
Any ways, what do you guys think of my ruins I'm working on? I was playing around with dirty down moss and I really like it.

>>96235859
Are those 3D print lines? They look really glaring, even with the image downscaled. I'd really do the walls and floor separate, then work them over with sandpaper and putty. Or just make the bricks flatter/smoother since the uneven effect does more harm than good.

>>96235755
$500 emergency... did you drop a zero?

>>96235827
Seems so, and/or teenagers trying to cope as imminent adulthood looms over them.

>>96235636
I work 7 days a week 10-16 hours a day on a farm, I get some painting done almost every night.
Figure it out.

>>96235934
larp

>>96235942
No, that sounds about right for a farmer. The thing he left out is that the crunch time is seasonal and typically you live there so there isn't any travel time.

>>96235942
I fucking wish.
Cattle don't take days off from needing food, minerals and breaking fences and any day where there isn't something immediate that needs doing there is a never ending list of shit to catch up on from vehicular repairs to cleaning fallen trees off the edges of fields or just fighting the hordes of invading ground squirrels.

>>96235544
>google redgrass glass palette
Nah, I stick with my aliexpress silicone tray

Hey I'm sorry but I was dumb and just started painting, do I wait with a wash till the paint is dry or do I apply the wash right after im done with the painting?

>>96235692
>>96235755
>$500
kek
when you live in a first world country you don't have to pay for healthcare out of pocket, you have holidays, sick leave, unemployment and a pension by law, you also can't work more than 40h a week unless it's very justified and paid extra, or you have one very shitty job and let you boss exploit you because you are a retard (many such cases)
your description is not the flex you think it is

what do you do with all that money when you cant even enjoy a hobby, the 'work your ass off' boomer mentality is sad really

>>96236093
if you don't wait you will wash the paint away, since it's acrylic it only takes a couple minutes to dry anyways

>>96236112
>the 'work your ass off' boomer mentality is sad really
The worst part about this is that there are hospices, old folks' homes, etc., full of people on their literal deathbed who spent their entire lives "working their asses off" and they regret it. Oh boy how they regret it. It's probably the most common and universal regret you hear from dying old people. Yet here we are, watching another generation brewing to suffer from the same exact life regret down the line, AND defending it as if their honor depends on it.
t. did some volunteering work around these places

>>96236093
Watch Duncan Rhodes on youtube.

>>96236152
>AND defending it as if their honor depends on it.
Well, earlier generations' honor was to die in wars for people who didn't give a fuck about them. Baby steps.

>dumbfuck hobby question about palettes again
>boomer style discussion about work
I think I‘m going to turn off the computer and talk to my wife instead.

>>96236554
>wife
normalfags out.

>>96236554
Tell her I said hi.

>>96236554
I'll post a wip in a moment once I'm done airbrushing

>>96236554
i too choose this anon's wife

>>96235859
>>96235906
At the scale of doing terrain pieces like that you're better off just finding out if the print filament can be melted by exposure to solvents like acetone. If yes, look up a tutorial on how to do an acetone fume bath. You basically get a large pot, put a little bit of acetone in the bottom and put it on low heat, then wait for it to offgas fumes and then lower your part into only the fumes for seconds at a time.

This immediately gets rid of print lines without having to waste a heap of time sanding. Though to be honest we live in the age of MDF terrain which will always look like it's made out of cheap wood sausage so I wouldn't be worried about layer lines on terrain.

>>96235417
I think it's better to do a couple thinner coats but I'm not 100% sure if it actually makes any difference.

Two more jungle terrain plots.

Airbrushed some lizards today. The top sides of Aggradons will be pushed further towards orange.
>>96236936
Lovely, what are these plants?

>>96235544
A wet palette or a plasticard (dry palette) is all you need

>>96236755
So much easier to just get a filler primer.

>>96237041
And a piece of cardboard for oils.

>>96237005
I bought shitloads of different varieties from aliexpress. Plastic plants for modelling as well as artificial plants. Not all of them were suitable so it took me a while to find the ones that I like.

>>96237046
It really isn't. Filler primer you have to apply and then sand back which will take you anywhere from 5-10 minutes per terrain piece. Acetone fume bath is about 2 minutes to set up and then 10 seconds of labour per piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXqzw9BpjSY

I personally recommend using a metal large pot as your container; there's heaps of specific ways to go about it but the metal pot is the easiest, safest and most reliable one I know of.

>>96237110
Also, it's important to paint the plants because they are horrible unpainted. I used a variety of spray cans, acrylic inks and transparent artist paints to paint these.

>>96237140
Better video showing the metal pot method. Two minutes is overkill; every print I've used it on has only needed 30 seconds at most but more often just 10 seconds is sufficient. Your mileage will vary depending on the specific filament you use, though.

https://youtu.be/4ltpJcge_lA

Got some horrendously tiny freehand to do on the rocket and he will be done but fuck me, I'm already screeching

>To create a black wash, heavily water down black paint. A good starting point is a 1:4 or 1:5 ratio of paint to water, but you can adjust this to your preference. Adding a tiny amount of dish soap (1 drop per cup) can help break surface tension and prevent tide marks.
Is google right with the dish soap?

>>96237285
mostly, soap does lower surface tension and makes the wash 'wet' more and flow better, but may cause bubbles, what you really want is flow improver

>>96237285
Yes, what you want is Rinse Aid for dishwashers.

Anybody have a recommendation for a hammerhead bit I can stick onto this saturnine poweraxe to turn it into something resembling a halberd?

>>96237481
>hammerhead
>halberd
Nope.

>>96237533
>erm ackshually

>>96237533
meant poleaxe

>>96237481
>>96237540
You're thinking of a poleaxe.

Have a bunch of old GW pots with dried out paint.
I'll use it for terrain so no need for it to be super good quality.
To make it usable, just mix in some water and isopropyl alcohol?

>>96237724
Acrylic paints, unlike shit like oils and enamels, go through a curing process that fundamentally alters the chemical composition of the paint. If your pot dried out, many layers and clumps of paint have already cured and will clump up.

>>96237724
If it's straight up dry you're probably just shit outta luck. If the paint is merely very, very thick then add water.

>>96235582
Used to use a tile with the ouls but I've since switched to a piece of parchment paper Elmer's glue stacked onto some cardboard. Let the oil dry then peel the parchment paper off and throw away.

>>96235692
>hey it's a good job I earn a lot of money although it doesnt mean shit cause I spend 90% of my life working and have no time to do things I enjoy

lmao

>>96236554
I ask my wife about my minis. She recommends using more purple. She always recommends more purple.

>>96237810
The wagie dilemma.

>>96237765
>>96237746
Yeah fully dried. Cool, will bin them.
At least I got them for free

>Contrast paints

>>96238038
It must be very embarrassing to purchase contrast paints, it's the miniature painting equivalent of buying viagra

>>96238066
I always look on my contrast collection in great shame. Fool on my for wasting so much money on that trash.

>>96238038
>>96238066
>poor craftsmen blame their tools

>>96238085
This accusation doesn't make sense.
Refusing to use a "tool" specifically marketed to noobs with no experience or ability because you have experience and ability enough to use the basic equipment is a good craftsmen bragging about using "inferior" tools.

>>96237155
Damn that's cool. Wish I had known it was a thing when I was working on a ton of Battletech and Necromunda terrain a few years ago. Although it was mostly printed by a friend so I had no input on the filament used.

>>96238092
Contrast paint screechers have proven what was true all along: that for a huge amount of painters, painting is a painful, sadistic blood tax that they want everybody else to pay because they chose to pay it (or were tricked into paying it, by peer pressure, self-infliced autism, etc.). It's misery loves company, and nothing more. These people opted into a years-long self-harm ritual of painting their armies, and now they NEED to see other people suffer the same way, because if they can't they feel stupid for making that sacrifice themselves.

For years people were snobby little pricks, "I refuse to play someone without a painted army" "LOL here comes the GrAy TiDe" etc.

Then contrast comes along and allows a bunch of nopaints to paint their stuff. And of course the injured sadists have to move the "paint your army" goalposts, because in this new paradigm the contract painters are still getting off easier than you did. You paid a price, goddamnit! Someone has to acknowledge this!!

btw I only own one contrast paint. It's the yellow one that everyone said was great, so I wanted to try it.

>>96235696
I admire the effort you put into your conversions but you could just buy tortugabay miniatures if you want primaris scale old marines

>>96235636
You need to wake up earlier, even if it's only one hour, and spend that hour doing hobby every day. It adds up over time and you should have most energy at the start of your day. You don't want to waste peak energy waging do you?

You can also hit the gym in the morning, assuming you're male your testosterone is highest in the morning.
>>96236466
Reminder that all wars are bankers wars.

>>96238210
If you don't like painting you can always go play any one of literally hundreds of thousands of games that don't require it, from video to tabletop.
I enjoy painting, I'm pretty sure everyone who actually contributes painted miniatures to the thread also enjoys painting.
You are in the wrong place if you find painting to be painful and burdensome.

>>96238066
>>96238038
Contrast is fantastic for eye lenses

New goblin girls.
Kind of a splotchy light zenithal, but it's going to get totally painted over so it's fine

>>96235320
it's ok anon, thank you for replying anyways

>>96238092
Makes perfect sense. Contrast has its uses but isnt good for everything. Misuse a tool and you'll get subpar results.

>>96238392
Because there was something wrong with painting before they were on the market? Noone was able to achieve desired results because something was missing?
Yeah, no.
Contrast paints are like a left-handed screwdriver, only someone who knows nothing about tools might think there is a purpose for one, based on a lack of fundamental understanding.

>>96238282
Pretty airheaded post.

For starters... can we at least agree that "liking painting a model" and "liking painting a 2000 point army" and "liking painting 7000 points of your favourite army that you wanna collect everything for" are such vastly different enterprises that they're not even really comparable. At one end you have something that takes an evening, and at the other, years.

Beyond that, unpainted miniatures still have aesthetic value. Go into any art museum in the word and you will find unpainted/single colour sculpture.

Additionally, building miniatures can be fun. Converting can be fun (and is often more creative than painting). People say "I hate building but I like painting" and get no pushback, so the reverse should be true.

And lastly, for now... what if someone painting contrast, y'know, makes them like painting.

>>96238510
Same argument can be made for acrylic paints. What was wrong with enamels?

>>96238510
was there anything wrong with nitrocellulose lacquers before before acrylic lacquers arrived on the market?

Finally done with these fucking cables.

>>96238587
>years.
Are you suggesting to me that you intend to paint one army, ever and then never paint miniatures again? Because I'm in it for life, and I'm sure most everyone else here is as well.
So it doesn't matter how many miniatures are in a particular force or for a particular game, I intend to be painting miniatures until I die, so it's not like a project being smaller will "save me" from painting the next week or whatever.

>>96238171
The two major filament types that come to mind are PLA and ABS. There's others out there as well and all sorts of crossovers but those two are the most common. ABS can be reliably treated with acetone and PLA can have the same done with ethyl acetate. Those are generally going to be what anyone ends up using for minis or terrain. We're also reaching the point where if you're willing to put in the time into adjusting settings and having long print times you can get outputs that have barely visible layer lines. Given how quickly FDM printers are advancing I'd give it another decade and the gap between resin and filament printers will be barely noticeable in terms of quality. Most of the differences will be in time to print and post-processing.

>>96238703
Lol now that you say that I'm reminded that I think I did actually look into chemical layer line smoothing, and then decided it wasn't worth the trouble of ordering an expensive, "more than I'll ever need" amount of ethyl acetate from a chemical supply company.

>>96238241
Thanks! I really enjoy the conversion part much more than painting (although I did just prime all 4 of those minis this afternoon) but I have tried the tortuga stuff and they are pretty cool.

FYI they are a bit smaller than primaris, but bigger than the new HH2.0 stuff. I did my best to pick models for this comparison with similar poses. They are perfectly in line with the deathguard 40k stuff (which I was told they originally were recasts of cleaned up DG actually).

My main beef with the tortuga stuff is that its all kinda, bubbly and thicc. Especially the mkIV stuff, I actually filed down those legs to slim them out but it was a lot of work. Great cast quality though.

>>96238784
This is what GW took away from us

>>96238803
I do hate how GW discontinues things so fast without warning these days. Nearly all of the SoH components I have used are now discontinued, you can still make your own cool custom marines with other parts.
That said, you just know the tacticals and devastators are going to be shitcanned in 11th. So if you want any of the parts now is the time, Im sitting on 2 extra dev boxes so I have 6 of each heavy weapon. Assault marine are already gone rip. But who knows, the new SW marines are fucking rad, some of the best poses yet. So it seems like GW is making cool stuff again.

>>96238757
I can buy a litre of it locally for like $20. Look for local chemical retailers that do bulk amounts of chemical sales instead of buying smaller quantities from miscellaneous retailers. Another example of this; I can buy five litres of isopropyl alcohol from a local supplier for $30, or buy a mere half a litre for $20 if I go to a local shop instead. Yeah you'll never use it all but it's kind of a trivial amount of money if you compare it to the cost of buying filler and sandpaper, much less how much you value your time spent sanding away at models.

Chemical treatment also provides uniform layer line reduction which on some prints is a huge difference. Think of every tiny nook, cranny and crevice you can't really get at with sandpaper or files. It's kind of a no-brainer if you're concerned about layer lines and doing large quantities of terrain printing. People saying that it's better to just do it with filler and sanding are ignoring the fact that you're losing a heap more time to the process and you're never going to get ideal results out of it anyway.

>>96238913
>I do hate how GW discontinues things so fast without warning these days.
This is why I have no problem buying recasts or 3d printing.

>>96235616
I too use this anons thigh

>>96237746
I won't speak authoritatively about enamels but oil paint most certainly undergoes a curing process that continues long after it's dry to the touch. In any case Citadel are emulsion paint and once completely dried out, they are goners. There are lacquers that can be dried to the bone for years and still be reconstituted, as I have done, but unless you want to experiment with lacquer thinners and resins, you are fucked once a Citadel pot dries out.

The real question here is why so many on /tg/ forgot how to maintain paint pots properly. I feel like we didn't have this problem 10 years ago and "my paints dried out" would have been mocked. Unless they're in threaded pots, that's a skill issue. Come the hell on, fa/tg/uys.

I heard one of you even have a wife now. What is this shit?? You think you can get painting toy orcs done with "hey Anon-chan please put it in me!" ringing in your ear all day and night?

>>96235007
What a terrible thing to say.

>>96238622
How many coats did you need to get a solid skin colour over black primer?

>>96238622
Looks great, paisen. Well worth the time. For years to come, every time you glance down and see this you will feel cool because you did something cool. It's easy and tempting to slop out that kind of detail and move on to the flashier bits of a model but the extra work really paid off there.

I did these for a D&D game. I used the Speedpaint metals for the steel to see how those worked. Mixed feelings on them but they work ok. Random rpg minis = freedom and are a lot of fun. I am starting to think it would look a lot better to redo the base edges in a brown instead of the grey which I used cause it's what I'd used on prior D&D minis. But would that make such a difference as to justify spending the time vs. just working on new figures?

ALSO I come to beg. Does /tg/ have the Stahly swatches for Citadel? I have seen the 6 in 1 or whatever from the last thread but I don't need a comparison across brands, just the one that shows what each paint looks like.

What should I paint?

>>96239714
The 12 guys at the bottom right. They're the cutest ones.

>>96239479
Looks good. I especially like the shading on the banner.

Started on the gobbo skin.

>>96239714
>the Russian Alternative
Fucking what. That has to be the most straight forward company name I've seen.

>>96237189
Looks great so far, anon, I like the blue robe a lot
>>96238331
Hot damn, nice tummies
>>96238622
Very clean
>>96239479
I think the brown base rims would look better, yeah. I've never seen these minis before, they're really cool.
>>96239714
Those really look a lot like OG chorfs, nice. How about painting one of the horn guys?

>>96239798
Dunno about that shade line going from belly button to groin. Not sure there'd be one there. Sort of just makes it look like bush.

>>96239852
Definitely. I actually didn't notice that until I took the picture, it should be like the other one where that area is mostly flat. I'm still doing like 2 more rounds of highlights so I'll fix that and blend some of the other lines that are a bit harsh right now.

>>96239852
>shade line
Anon, I....

>>96239714
Pick whichever random little guy to be the prototype where you work out your scheme and process. Then mass produce that onto all the rank and file on the bottom right. Once you have done that, you will have perfected it, and can bring that to the characters and such.

Five more to go. But everyone else gets helmets.

So we can say the en word here but will still get banhammered by discord pedo mods if a mini has artistic nudity, I am guessing?

>>96239981
feel free to leave anytime if you're unhappy with the state of this place :)

Is it better to assemble then paint or paint then assembling?

>>96239981
It is as always, newfriend-kun. Sometimes the janny sleeps, sometimes he is a retarded faggot that will ban shit he should not.

>>96240015
9 times out of 10 it's going to be better to just paint the model fully assembled. subassemblies are a pain and you should try and minimize them. They can be useful some of the time, but often aren't worth it.

>>96240023
Yeah it was a little easier to paint a constructed model. It's just with some vehicles I struggled a bit more

>>96239848
>Those really look a lot like OG chorfs
huh?
Most of the minis -ARE- OG chorfs, what do you mean?

>>96240040
oh my bad, I thought these are from that box in the top left

>>96235636
Be efficient. Set aside specific time for it

>>96235827
>Yes. Almost 2/3 of Americans don't have $500 in the bank

That can't be right

>>96239998
I've been here literally longer than you've been alive, and will be the core of this place long after you're dead, faggotroon retard.

>>96240015
You probably want it as built as you can get it while still being able to reach everything that will be visible. There is a definite trap I've seen people fall into where they find out subassemblies are a thing and then go ham and paint like...a Space Marine in 5 different pieces. Besides the obvious issue of trying to glue together your painted pieces, you also aren't seeing the model as one object with its colors and light source etc. correctly in place while trying to paint it.

>>96240021
I ask because I almost posted a harmless pic and then remembered that this is nu-/tg/ and that shit is wildly inconsistent. There have been threads where nobody cared for years but now it's always a crapshoot and there are always a few shitcunts who are here expressly to make the board unusable however possible and some of them are mods. They always get outlasted but I don't have time for that grabass tonight. I'll just Christian Manga it like I did in the olden days of yore.

>>96240070
>I've been here literally longer than you've been alive
Yet you still throw tantrums like a child and can't even remember there were many minis posted here that had exposed boobs and nobody cared, got it.

>>96240070
It was ALWAYS inconsistent, that's why jannies are paid so well.

>>96240089
Didn't read.

>>96240096
Das what I'm sayin' anon. It do be like dat. What are you working on tonight?

>>96240113
>What are you working on tonight?
Kroxigors and some jungly bases. Nice of you to ask, anon.

I wanted to mess with unusual skin colors. She is a lot less greenish and more golden than the photo and the pics removed most of the shadows as well but they give a good overall idea. Once the skin is done I will knock out the hair and touch up the eyes. Those look ok in person but as usual the photos really jack them up. Undecided on a good color for the plinth, maybe just a pale sand color.

Busts are fun and a good break from my endless hordes of 32"mm figures and machinery stretching behind me and ahead of me into eternity.

>>96240089
>>96240070
I literally posted 75mm huntress miniature with exposed ass and nobody minded.

>>96240162
I really like that, anon.
She needs some twink Link to rail with her futa cock, thoughbeit.

>>96240209
My point exactly. There was also that naked gal on some beastmen chariot I think it was? That guy was just sperging for the sake of it

>>96238038
>>96238066
Are you fucking retarded?
People have always made contrast paints of their own using medium and flow improver.

>>96239423
Not that many, the trick is to undercoat with rakarth flesh first.

>>96240305
Why are you replying to that low effort bait 10 hours later, anon?

>>96240015
Sub-assembly when necessary, assembled the rest of the time.

>>96240043
NTA but they're probably recast sold as 3rd party

I'm thinking of getting back into painting after many years of not (although I continued painting terrain in those years). Have had fully painted armies before and sold them.

Continued to buy, build and convert models in the interim, and I hate the concept of sub-assemblies, so if I do do this I think there will probably be some very frustrating tasks.

>>96235544
Just use a small glass windowed picture frame with white paper in it. Tape the edges if you must. Have been doing this for years. Means I get a good idea of what colour my transparent paints and washes actually are.

>>96237481
>>96237554

>>96238587
you either like painting or not, if you like it you like painting one model or 1000, and if you only like putting the effort on single characters or something but you still want to play with a full painted army you can slapchop an entire army in less than a month and spend as much as you want on the characters
if painting tires you, you can also play skirmish game instead that needs 5 to 20 models

>Beyond that, unpainted miniatures still have aesthetic value. Go into any art museum in the word and you will find unpainted/single colour sculpture.
almost of the are oneoffs not produced en mass by some company, and have actual tought and passion put into them, unlike for example gw's bland cad copypasted sculpts
if you sculpt every model on your collection and do a preshade nobody will bitch about them not being painted. grey plastic looks like shit and with bare white metal you can't even see the details properly

and yeah, i agree with you, contrasts are just a tool like any other, ppl bashing on them for existing is retarded, however they promote a kind of painting style that looks like shit most of the time, if you use outside of their designed purpose they are actually useful

>>96238757
just don't use pla, it's a subpar material, use abs (meh), asa (better) or filaments designed for ipa vapor smoothing

>>96238703
>I'd give it another decade and the gap between resin and filament printers will be barely noticeable in terms of quality
it's just not mechanically feasible to move an extrusor as fast as you can move a laser with a galvo or shine light through a screen, so you are very limited by time, extrusion accuracy and even viscosity at that scale, extrusion based systems will always be behind photoresin systems at this scale and below
a combination of fdm with a later pass of edm machinning could actually be better, but has it's own limitations, like needing to be on metal and being also very time inefficient

>>96239972
imo you should push the shadows a lot more, and add some blacklining, looks pretty flat

>>96240305
Nobody's ever made their own Contrast paints. That's why it took Army Painter 2 years to reverse engineer the formula, by their own accounting, and they still aren't quite there. A wash is not Contrast and Contrast are not washes. For starters, they lay down an opaque base coat in a way nobody's ever done with a home made mix. If there is no opaque base AND a deep shade with a second pigment, it's just a wash and not even sort of the same thing. Even GW only pulls it off well sometimes which is why say Snakebite Leather is so perfect but some of the others are almost just regular shades or conversely are just like a thinned opaque paint that barely leaves any highlights.

>>96240210
If the boorus are accurate, it's the other way around...

>>96240438
You gotta ask yourself, if it's that hard to reach with a brush (like behind a shield held near a body) then does it really need painted or is that a waste of time? A lot of that shit is going to be in deep shadow. I painted a lot of rank and file with shields off before realizing that I could have just glued them on and let the dark primer cover it and that in fact looked better anyway. You can also just slop a dark tone of some sort in there with a brush. Don't waste time on detail that isn't seen.

>>96240482
I have a 6' tempered glass table. I have used it to mix oils directly on for paintings. The important thing is to get the most neutral grey paper (never white or black) and tape that underneath to judge colors against. A lot of portrait painters use glass window panes and shit as well (always with grey paint on the bottom or whatever taped under.

Minis painters have no idea how much harder and worse their painting life is because almost all of them use snow white wet palettes or similar. It should all be medium grey in an ideal world.

>>96240581
Fun fact: a lot of sculpture historically was in fact painted just like models today. Especially religious statuary and all of those white Roman and Greek ones still around today. Bare unpainted statues have typically been considered unfinished in most times and places. The idea of bare sculpture for its own sake has been a very academic/instructive thing up until probably the later parts of the Renaissance iirc. An example of the concepts of "art" vs. more practical "ilustration" in action. Those old statues of Zeus were closer in intent to an animu waifu shrine than to a Rodin in a museum.

Minis painters are inheritors of one of the very oldest traditions, really.

>>96240360
Wrong
The Russian Alternative WAS (no longer in business) producing some of the best alternative OG chorf sculpts out there.

>>96240684
Why did they go out of business?

>>96240681
The cool thing about that is that because they painted them (and they generally kept the same color schemes for various deities), you can read about how certain gods and goddesses looked like. I.e.: Athena being a dark brunette with pale gray eyes, for example.

>>96240696
>literally canon and codex compliant color schemes complete with fags yelling at you for not following them

I AM PAINTING THIS THOR ICON WITH BROWN HAIR FUCK YOU

>>96234940 (OP)
When you're just starting out and you know you fucked up (bad wash application, black evrywhere on white clean up is a nightmare) is it better to keep going and come back to the model later on in life or start over?

>>96240681
>Those old statues of Zeus were closer in intent to an animu waifu shrine than to a Rodin in a museum
>Minis painters are inheritors of one of the very oldest traditions, really.
Now that is pretty interesting.

>>96240681
When you think about it, even "traditional" clothes across all cultures around the world, more or less, incorporate bright and intense colors and, across Earth far and wide, people love gold, bright and intense colorful stuff. So much for "sublime art/culture your peasant won't understand".

>>96240792
Men also historically used to clothe way more lavishly and fashionably than women. Dudes wearing simple, plain clothing and fashion becoming more or less female-centered is a new thing.

>>96240691
Not enough demand. Sad stuff. Went under in 2021. Apart from the whole Russia/Ukraine thing making shipping difficult I wish they had been able to hold on, TOW would have helped them out. I hope Sergey is doing well

>>96240803
It goes on in waves really, simple traditional dress has been the popular norm usually in response to it going a bit too far in the other direction. Rome was famous for that sort of cycle

>>96240803
Maybe some of the statues adornment was even woven.

>>96240648
I can't believe you're still doing this shit, contrast paints aren't opaque, as a rule, find me a single fucking one.
I am looking right across my desk at minis I painted with ink + matte medium, it looks just like contrast paint, if it took AP 2 years to figure out that says more about them.

>>96240681
yes, but also most metal statues have always been kept unpainted

>>96240871
SHE WHEELD HER WHEELBARROW, THROUGH THE STREETS BROAD AND NARROW

>Vallejo is massing their armies at their border with the enamel weathering empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtEGsbfazYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKWjFPr-gAw
It makes sense to me, I've always looked towards acrylic solutions for when people use enamels or oils. Things like retarder or Open acrylics for blending, flow improver as my mineral spirits, etc. The techniques are all the same unless you need reactivation.

>>96240871

>>96240898
>I've always looked towards acrylic solutions for when people use enamels or oils
Why even?

>>96240814
>It goes on in waves really, simple traditional dress has been the popular norm usually in response to it going a bit too far in the other direction. Rome was famous for that sort of cycle
I really enjoy the minimalism cycle. Japan is another interesting case with Wabi-sabi.
Another fun fact, when comparing two armies at war, there's a stereotype that the army with the most bling will lose, since minimalism denotes pragmatism while bling denotes decadence. Doesn't bode well for the Imperium desu, although Chaos is even more fucked.

>>96240912
There's a certain element of laziness or contrarianism, but I also just like the attributes of acrylic. It's clean, it dries fast, it's generally non-toxic.

>>96240681
This is horseshit, spouted by someone with a very limited region-locked understanding of one corner of classical art history.

>>96240970
>uh, that's subjective
>doesn't post counterexamples
Extra points for complaining about -centrism when anon already clearly acknowledges talking about Greek and Roman statues.
Hope those student loans were worth it.
Cultures as far apart as ancient Egypt and pre-Columbian America painted their statues. Old statues with their paint worn off only acquired a dignified status as soon as there were statues old enough for their paint to have worn off.

I'm new to the hobby of mini painting. This is my first Warhammer miniature (and 8th miniature I've ever painted), what do you guys think? I'm happy with all the critique and tips people have.

I wanted to make some concrete, I used dark gray paint for it and went over board with the back wash. now it's too dark for my taste. to lighten it up should I use a white wash or dry bruch it with white?

>>96240830
No it doesn't. You just have very low discernment.

>>96240871
A lot of those were also painted historically. But the metal itself was often considered valuable and decorative enough to please a god. Many were also given special coatings. Even that one there has what is, in effect, a dunk in Nuln Oil. Only, with real oil, then polished up (like drybrushing) to bring out depth. In the modern day we usually use special waxes and shit to imitate that because to get the real look takes many years of aging so we fake it or accelerate it.

>>96240970
Nooope. This is someone who has been involved with art restoration and study in museums for a lifetime, in fact. You fucking midwit. And it's true in every part of the world where they had access to any kind of pigment, from Africa to Melanesia to North America to China. Not just Europe. Even a lot of the old "fertility idols" (which are pregnant not fat women) have pigments on them which have been spectroanalysed etc.. Oh and most of the Egyptian statuary as well. The Field Museum had a whole book that went into it published back when the Cleopatra exhibit was touring in the early 2000s (before you were born most likely).
Part of the reason you have such a low-IQ redditor take is because you don't comprehend the entire reality of art through global history. The very idea of art for the sake of art is mostly a modern idea. Historically it served more practical purposes, ceremonial purposes, religious purposes.
Absolutely all of the existing Greek and Roman ruins have paint on them as well, btw. Ditto Mesopotamian, Chinese, Incan. All used paint whenever they could. We still have a lot of their formulas, some reverse engineered, some from records. You can buy pigments sourced in the same areas as ones they used in the ancient world even today in some cases. Ochres from Spain, reds in China.
Wait till you find out that even Middle Ages castles never looked like they're pictured or as they do in life today.

>>96241004
There are quotes from Romans and Egyptians both as well as Chinese who use the worn paint on statuary and buildings as reasons to bemoan the sorry state of their cities. We also have bricks from Khufu's pyramid signed by painters, a form of graffiti. The Pharaohs not only painted their gold objects but sometimes the mummies themselves.

>>96241055
Reminds me of how I giggled when watching some documentary about ancient Egypt (can't recall the precise period they talked about) and archeological works in pyramids. One student (and he looked like typical "modern" student) at one point asked prof about "slaves" building pyramids and said proffesor literally melted, almost screaming about how retards keeps talking about "muh slaves build pyramids" and how much it pisses him off.

This sort of thing is how carved art looked globally for most of history. Hating bare unpainted sculpture is something /tg/ elitists share with their ancestors since before recorded history. Very inspiring. This one is in Peru from a pair of shrines to the sun and moon. I only saw one of the two and do not have my pictures but this googled one is how the entire place looked. Same thing in all Middle Eastern ruins. Same thing in Chinese tombs. Sometimes just for decoration but often to make things more lifelike.

This could have used a nice coat of Mr. Surfacer before being painted.

If, while traveling along the road, I meet Buddha, even the Buddha will be painted.

3,000 terra cotta soldiers were painted to look lifelike. They had to pass as real inasmuch as possible, after all. What use a soldier in the next life if your retard fa/tg/uys can't paint eyes for your archers? Those 40 Clanrats are nothing.

>Originally, the figures were painted with ground precious stones, intensely fired bones (white), pigments of iron oxide (dark red), cinnabar (red), malachite (green), azurite (blue), charcoal (black), cinnabar barium copper silicate mix (Chinese purple or Han purple), tree sap from a nearby source (more than likely from the Chinese lacquer tree) (brown), and other colors including pink, lilac, red, white, and one unidentified color. The colored lacquer finish and individual facial features would have given the figures a realistic feel, with eyebrows and facial hair in black and the faces done in pink.

However, in Xi'an's dry climate, much of the color coating would flake off in less than four minutes after removing the mud surrounding the army.

>>96241043
First of all, welcome—and despair. You’ve chosen to paint a horde army and you’re painting it yellow/orange. That’s a lot of… let’s call it “trial and error,” to put it positively.

The first thing I noticed is the messy base. Using long flock is not ideal in your case; you either need a static grass applicator or shorter grass. Also, paint it to integrate it better, just a heavy shade (whatever dark color you want) application should do the trick.

Next, the armor (or the yellow in general). It’s an okay job so far, but a light drybrush with a bright yellow should give it more punch and readability, making it look more “finished.”
If you feel like it, you could even try some edge highlighting.

If you really want to push things further, this tutorial might help, especially because he paints orange skavens :
https://youtu.be/ZYLaLlXy66k
Be warned though—it’s aimed at experienced painters.

Last thing, get a matte varnish, and apply it everywhere but your metallics.

If you need more general advice, dont hesitate, I painted many oranges rats.

>>96241048
A white wash would pool in the crevices, which'll probably look rather odd. Of course a drybrush may also not lighten the crevices enough, leading to an oddly high-contrast concrete. Still, could be worth a try. Or perhaps a lighter-than-the-shading grey filter (sort of a wash, but you apply it so thin it can't flow around and instead sits as an even layer over everything to tint it) followed by a light grey to white drybrush.

The only paints older than my pots of 1990's Citadel that are still good. The exact ones used on the Terra Cotta Army (there were several but this is for the most famous one). basically every culture worldwide in every time period did this, to the point where it's hard to justify calling your shit a culture unless you did. UNPAINTED FIGURES HATE.

>>96241043
Absolutely not bad for a beginner. Those streaks on his spear are a nice touch. As far as I can tell everything is "in lines" and the colors are nice. Gotta jab on the base though, just covering it in static grass does not look particularly good. It's best used in small patches over some textured surface. You could use sand or maybe one of those texture pastes/gw "technical" paints. Oh and also you got some of it on the rats back. I'm just going to recommend you watch a couple of Duncan's videos to get a grasp on the basics, I think you should try doing some basic highlights next.
>>96240162
This is very interesting, looks almost like gold or something. Painted well, too.
>>96239972
Solid work like the previous guy. I think you might have gone a bit overboard on the weathering because I'm not sure if his "greaves" are gold or fully covered in dust

>his bone white paintjob contains 0% actual bone
Why even live

>>96241043
It looks like there's a bunch of hair that you painted over. Try to make sure the model is clean in the future. It looks like you just did the base color and then washed over it. try cleaning up the wash with your base color after it's dried to bring it back up to the initial color and then highlight with brighter colors after that. Otherwise it looks like you have pretty good brush control. I don't see any errant paint where it's not meant to be.
The clumped up static grass also looks really bad. I'm not great at basing either, so I don't have a ton of advice on that front. Try using grass tufts instead.
As a matter of personal taste, I might recommend a light dry brush of metallic paint on the head crest and back spikes just to show a little wear on the paint.

>>96241244
Shut up chatGPT

>>96241043
its hot garbage but its expected for a beginner

>>96234940 (OP)
Need some recommendations from /wip/
Im working on a small kitbash, turning this special edition stormcast into a psyker inquisitor.
Originally i wanted to use a skitarri ranger head to practice some OSL off the lenses, but its too wide and interferes with the shoulderpad. Does anyone know off any other goggle wearing heads? hooded preferred but not mandatory. Stl's or kits are fine

I was trying to edge wash a white scar black and totally boffed it. I keep trying to clean it up using the same white, Reaper "Skeleton Bone", and it's struggling and starting to become too many layers. Should I go over first with a pure white before going back with an off white or are there any tips that may help?

>>96241237
Emperor demanded his minis top quality.

>>96241571
edge... wash?
That's not how things work.

>>96241618
>minis
Terracotta soldiers were bigger than most bugmen.

>>96241310
Nice criticism, very helpful.

>>96241658
I dont give a shit about being helpful

>>96241658
I guarantee that every single person that posts garbage like this is a mid painter at best.

>>96241623
recess wash sorry

>>96241696
I kind of thought so, but I also wasn't sure, you never know what people will try.

>>96241681
post minis

Working on some scenery for a change.

Got this broken/failed 3d print of half a ship from a friend and tried to make a shipwreck out of it with cocktail sticks, wooden stick, and papier-mâché. Could be useful for a scenario or a centerpiece or Mordheim.

>>96241627
Commoners like us play with 28mm minis, Emperor plays with human-sized ones.

>>96241571
>edge wash
Huh? You use acrylic washes when you want to tint an entire surface but with deeper recesses. If you only want the recesses, you use oil or enamel solutions. Ideally over a layer of gloss varnish, but it depends.

>>96241688
Yeah, fuck them, how dare a newbie painter ask for advice.

>>96241749
I meant this faggot >>96241310

>>96241713
I was trying to recess wash, not edge. My brush control was bad and it came out messy and I'm struggling to clean it up.

>nooo you must give le hecking constructive criticismerinoooo
>how do you dare not being part of the hugbox known as redd- I mean 4chan!
lmao kys

So the Bright Idea Fairy dropped by with some words on chaos colour schemes...

>>96241467
Found another head in a different AdMech kit, but it looks like shit. Oh well, guess i need to figure out something else

>>96241766
>another subhuman newfag who thinks 4chang is about acting like a fucking retard

>>96241766
no one gives a fuck about your perfect forumn where everyone hates everyone and nothing is ever actually talked about faggot get out of these fucking threads for the fifth fucking time or something dude jesus christ get a life or post miniatures

>>96241766
>hugbox
you should learn what the words mean before using them, tourist

>>96241766
>nooo you must be a hecking miserable asshole like me on my super secret club websiteeee
you will die alone and no one will mourn your passing

>>96241827
>>96241839
>>96241854
>>96241899
dilate

>>96241911
>Y-you mad! XD
try harder next time

>>96241935
please keep giving me (You)s

>>96241766
You sound like a guy who didn't have a mother or father in their life, and hasn't had a girlfriend or best friend. Just you and your inward-aimed rage.

>>96241947
Im married and have 2 kids, and both my parents are alive and well.
Go project somewhere else, retard.

>>96241941
Sure, have a last pity one on me. Hopefully you'll get enough dopamine from it to get through the rest of the day without killing yourself

Guys, ignore the retarded tourist and post minis instead.

>>96241976
Yes please post more shit paintjobs so I can rightfully point how retarded they are.
Dont forget to leave the mouldlines and gaps, they give me so much joy.

>>96241804
There’s a hooded head with an eye piece on the dark angel upgrade sprue, might be able to find it on a bits site but I reckon that’d look pretty good on the body your using

>>96237189
I do not recommend dags, it wasn't fun

>>96241961
You must hate all of them very much, then, which is even sadder.

>>96241976
My current wip has washes drying on it so here's a placeholder lizard

>>96241993
That looks like effort.

>>96242054
How do you paint the scales, lizard-anon?

>>96242063
These particular ones? Stegadon scale basecoat - 1:1 nuln:coelia wash - drybrushes of vgc turquoise, vgc aquamarine and a very subtle one of baharroth blue. I did edge highlight every indivual scale on 2 of them but it was taking a bit too long. I probably should've at least did their heads though because the drybrush didn't quite catch everything. It's all good though at least they're finished

>>96242097
Nice, thanks!

What's the best method for holding minis without gluing them to a base first? glue to popsicle stick or something?

>>96242122
Drill hole in foot, glue a paperclip in them and stick it into a wine cork to hold onto.

>>96242122
Personally I drill 0.8-1mm hole at their feet, insert copper rod and anchor them that way to bottle cap. Metal and larger minis require few rods, sometimes gluing the rods themselves but it's okay as I later attach them to base the same way.

>>96235692
>full benefits, paid sick time, 401k, and pension
Um... so a normal job, then? I feel sorry for people living in countries where bog-standard employment conditions are considered to be something to brag about.

>>96241043
I like the color scheme though, but don't quit your day job just yet.
I hope you have redeeming qualities. Like a decent bench or smth.

>>96242122
Might be somewhat mini-dependent, but you will indeed generally be looking at some variation of "stick them to something". Glue can work, and can also be a bit of a bother to get loose afterwards depending on mini, glue and what you stick it to. For very light things taping down a bit of tape sticky-side-up and sticking stuff to that can be enough. Blue-tac and similar has a tendency to "wrap around" and might thus block bits you want to paint, but can work nicely if that's not an issue.
As for what to stick them too a popsickle stick sounds like it won't give you that much to hold on to, and you'll need something to stick it into to keep the mini itself from touching whatever surface you'd otherwise put it down on, but they should work somewhat. Gluing alligator clips to BBQ skewers is another option, though probably more for loose parts than entire minis (these clips can then obviously old on to thigns, but I've also occasionally glued or Blu-tac'd stuff to them). My favourite "painting handle" at the moment is a bunch of old Tamiya paint jars I've kept around for the purpose.

Stahly just updated his big paint pdf with quite a substantial update, anyone happen to have it?

>>96242208
give me a second

>>96237005
>will be pushed further towards orange.
They're already pure orange, though?

>>96242187
>My favourite "painting handle" at the moment is a bunch of old Tamiya paint jars I've kept around for the purpose.
I just cleaned a few of these out, so colour me intrigued.

Are you blu tacking them, or did you drill holes into the lids (and erase jarring new things from their potential future opportunities)?

>>96242208
>>96242221
Here you go https://files.catbox.moe/s13y93.pdf

>>96242224
It's wild rider red, the lighting makes it a bit brighter than it is. So I still have room for highlights of something like fire dragon bright or something

>>96242237
Blessed, thanks anon.
May your paints be thin and your brushes sharp.

>>96242237
holy fug that was fast, you a real one anon

>>96242097
The gold looks real good.

>>96242122
I got a cutout wood paint shelf for Christmas a couple years ago and it came with little mini holders, so I use those with double sided tape on top hold my models. But before that I used pill bottles with double sided tape.
If you need completely unobstructed access to the bottom, a drilled paperclip in the foot works like other anons said. You can glue it into the hole and just snip it off when you're done.

>>96241993

How do I achieve a 'holy shit thats intense and saturated' blue
Im looking for techniques, paints, application, tricks, whatever.

I'm in that middle point between wanting to do something a bit more involved than base wash edge but not nearly skilled enough to do stuff like volumetrics and it's super painful.

>>96242331
You gotta push and suffer for a few minis until you naturally get the hang of volumetry.
I legit cannot recommend this video enough.
Watch it as many times as needed, practice what its shown and you'll paint minis better than 90% of the people

>>96242331
>>96242361
I guess it works better if I actually link the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57vcOEbRrY

Master Paintsmiths of this thread, can you help identify what paints I could use to replicate this paint scheme? Looks like the whole model was done in Screamer Pink, then the pink parts were drybrushed with Emperor's Children/Some sort of Yellow but I can't really pinpoint the greens used. Any ideas?

>>96242331
>but not nearly skilled enough to do stuff like volumetrics
The only way to learn it is to do it.

>>96242285
Yeah I'm pretty happy with it. In case you're interested in trying it out it's the same thing I use for tsons and anon put an image with my recipes in our mega
>>96242331
Just go for it anon, my first attempt had shit volumetrics but looked fairly passable anyway.

>>96242371
Not even two minutes in and what I gather of the method so far is
>Paint your base first
>Don't thin your paints
This guy may get good results the way he does things, but it is the wrong way of doing things.

>>96242394
the colors here are Pink, Brown, Green, Blue, Purple, Black and White.

>>96242394
Use a better scheme than "Stephanie".

>>96242416
>Don't thin your paints
Keep in mind he uses AK wich are good to use out of the bottle for the most part.

>it is the wrong way of doing things
Ah, youre one of those retards who think theres a 'wrong' way of doing art related stuff, gotcha.

This thread always gets worse on weekends for some reason, can you tourists leave already

>>96242453
Yes, painting your base first is wrong on an objective level, by doing so you force yourself to be needlessly neat with painting the miniature. Painting static grass is also incorrect and looks like shit.

wip ebay rescue sentinel and hopefully finishing more guardsmen. Is it annoying/autism triggering that the right leg of the sentinel couldn't physically raise like the left leg is because of the gun I put on it?

>>96242474
>he thinks his way of painting is better than Sergio Calvo
post minis big boy

>>96242394
It's some kind of olive green. If I had to guess it's the gws formula of deathworld forest or death guard green into elysian green into ogryn camo

i wanna buy ak transparent colors set
is it good?

>>96241993
Jesus on a roller skate... The level of skill flexed is off the roofs, fucking great job if its your.
But hey, still satisfied with my result, even if not even close to that, I've got shits to do now.

>>96242496
>some asshole that can't speak english does it this way
>this means the accumulated knowledge of decades from around the world is wrong
Fuck off secondary.

>>96242416
>may get good results
>but it is the wrong way of doing things

>>96242547
If you see one asshole run up an escalator that's going downward, does that mean you should also take the escalator backwards?

>>96242539
You may be clinically retarded, anon.

>>96242566
should've went with a food analogy instead tbdesu

Nearly finished.

>>96242059
I used a fine metal mesh folded into a cone as a mask over the point, it kind of made a grid at the zenithal stage which I used to do the triangles. It was still a massive ballache and it goes a bit squished at the end

>>96242576
No, it is a very good analogy.
It is possible to achieve desired results by doing things backwards and wrong, that does not make it any less backward or wrong.

>>96242577
This is why you don't use contrast paints.

>>96242534
I know your pain anon, well done on the dags!

>>96242615
>one of the best mini painters in the world is wrong because the hundreds of mediocre painters out there shitting tutorials paint differently than he does
Yea, you're retarded

>>96242329
Someone?

>>96242639
Experience and developed motor control allow him to do without adhering to certain rules, but even so he is forcing himself to be more careful by use of too large brushes and painting the base first, either that or he just repaints the base when he is done anyway which is retarded and useless repetition when he could just leave it last in the first place.

>>96242679
NTA but you literally just admitted it's a skill issue lmao

Some more Mechanicus dudes finally done.
I had the two from Blackstone Fortress 80% completed for a long time.

>>96242652
you can't get more saturated than paint straight from the pot. Buy an excessively saturated paint, look for something that only uses one pigment. Mixing paints always "dulls" the color. Some paints in the pot are actually two pigments mixed together, meaning they are less vibrant than others that are single pigment.
I can't help other than that, I don't know what paints are single pigment in the miniature hobby. But honestly idk why you'd want something that'd hurt to look at.

You could alternatively trick the eye by making every other color desaturated so that the blue looks intense by comparison.

>>96242711
lovely job, anon.

>>96242697
Yes high skill allows you to skip steps, exchanging increased difficulty for increased expedience.
the increased difficulty still demonstrates the the skipping of steps is wrong.

>>96242491
The Lions are back, hell yeah.

>>96242577
>>96242394
Just now realized the mini comes with a torn off Space Marine arm, kind of annoying. I don't want parts of other armies on my models.

>>96242491
Yes, you've fucked it mate

>>96242122
pin the feet and use a vice or a clamp, you can make cheap ones with a piece of wood a bolt and a nut

>>96242416
I think saying a golden demon winner is doing thing wrong is a bit silly even for /wip/ standards.

>>96242122
glue them to a base with super glue

>The golden demorinooooo
He can still give bad advice
>posting shitmar in /wip/ at all

>>96243008
trying too hard at this point brother

Tamiya Bottle Guy Come Back, With Details

>>96243027
Sorry mate, he ded.

>>96243008
Post models

>>96242652
Probably inks or heavy body artist acrylics.

>>96241766
You're a fucking retard, I hope you know that. Constructive criticism just means the criticism is useful, not that you have to suck their dick. You can call their work shit and still be constructive by telling them why exactly it's shit.

>>96242829
>I don't want parts of other armies on my models.
Remove it and be unique.

>>96243016
>>96243063
Do you paint your base first? Be honest, I will know if you are lying.

Pretty happy with how Locke the thief came out! Face is one of my better ones I think

And some firey things.
C&C always appreciated

>>96243196
No, I don't. I paint in sub assemblies even for my marines.
Now post models.

What varnish should I use, if any?

>>96243234
>No, I don't.
Dumbass

I started painting up some admech about a year ago and since I was extremely new to 40k I just went with the default color scheme on Mars bases. Now that I've got the hang of it I want to make MY GUYS but I've got like 1200 points of Martian Admech painted.

What should I do? Do I strip my redbois and start from scratch? Do I dive into my custom color scheme and have a half-and-half force? And finally, I also want to do some conversions to further personalize my dudes; is there an online gallery somewhere that I can peruse with a vast amount of photos of other peoples' conversions? Just looking for inspiration and being so new i feel like im not even sure I know what all is possible

>>96243260
one that you like

>>96243260
Hardware store ultra gloss spraycan.

I used some clear coat spray on terrain in my bathroom, bathroom window is open and shower curtain is closed. How long should I avoid going in there?

>>96243337
How'd you make the hexagonal holes?

>>96241703
Looks great
>>96241782
That gold skin is a cool idea, I like it
>>96242711
Very nice, I like how the green looks with your reds
>>96243198
>>96243205
Lovely minis. You could maybe try adding some darker red or black at tips of the flames?

>>96242394
deathworld into elysian, bit of moot mixed in. painted with the pink undertone as shadow color

>>96242122
I use these, with black sticky tack

So, I've had a change of heart and went with a more subdued red-orange. What do you guys think of this scheme? I think it's different enough from the big dino but maybe I should just go all in with really punchy orange highlights? I was kinda afraid it's going to look a bit artificial

>>96242444
checked and kek'd

>>96242711
Is the guy in the back writing a list of naughty children?

>>96243426
>>96242097
>>96242054
You're too good for this place. Are you even human?

>>96235859

>>96242881
inshallah the penis surgery was a success

>>96243451
But I like it here. These lizards are actually fairly simple except for maybe the gold parts, Anyway I didn't mean to spam them, I only included the Carnosaur in the picture to show the difference in color

>>96243260
I did comparison recently, with pic - AK Ultra Matt + AK Matt + GW Contrast Medium or Vallejo Mecha Color Matt + Vallejo Thinner. Both options are giving uniform and good results while being mechanically resistant.

Another 40 of these small motherfuckers to finish my gretchins units

>>96243282
We accept your concession and acknowledgement that you're a tourist.

>>96243374
its comes like that, it's from the tyranid prime

I suggested to my gaming group to start a slow growth/escalation league to get all of us painting some more.

The first goal woul be 500 pts (whfb 8th edition) ready for mid October.
Most if not all didn't seem to interested. I'm still doing it since I like having easy and clear goals.
Pic related is me prepping most of the minis I need.

On a related note, those AoW are claimed to be PVC, would PVC glue, like the type for pipes, work on them?

>>96243374
With an hexagonal drill bit.

>>96242237
You happen to have the Citadel specific one? I don't want to compare 7 different paint brands, I just want to look at the relevant ones without having to search them out of a randomized heap.

>>96242416
He gets good results because he does things the best way. It's just that simple. By definition. If he downgraded and did it the midwit way like you think (you don't paint) then he'd be a worse painter with worse results.
For starters, paint doesn't need to be thin. It needs to be correct. And correct is different second to second and purpose to purpose. You're being held back by not grasping this fact.

>>96244642
>Most if not all didn't seem to interested
Story of my life. Tried to get my boardgame group into wargames with frostgrave. None of them want to buy minis, learn to paint, buy or read a rule book or build terrain. At first I was trying to do it all myself but it's too much work for something they probably won't enjoy all that much, so I think I'll just play solo skirmish games. I don't know how people go out and play games with strangers. I think there's some clubs you can pay to go to in my city since we don't have game stores like the US or EU seems to have, but too scary for me.

>>96244642
>All those plastic shavings on the table
You're not cutting shit directly on the table are you?

>>96245041
Nah, sorry.
Btw you can just ctrl+f and the name of the paint. They are ordered by the color.

>>96245220
The nice thing about the ones I have is that I can pull up the image, scan through all the colors to pick the stuff I want or to match something I want to achieve, and then go pull out that paint (or go buy it). Or put another way, I like them to assess paint, not to compare paint. Which is tough when I only really use 1 of the 7 brands and have a smattering of the others at most, ya dig. Having the big comparison one is still great though.
If I just go buy the fucker, are anons interested in it too?

>>96245062
Those who can do, do.
Doesn't make them good teachers.
He's trying to teach his current technique while skipping the many years of progress he made to get to the point where he can skip steps and still get good results.
Noone using his tutorials will get his results because they aren't taking the same path.
But no, if he did things in the roper way he would get even better results, not thinning paint correctly is something he is doing well in spite of, not because of.

Fellas, I just dont get NMM. I want to try and practice it, but it just looks like shit. What am I doing wrong on these buckles? Is my base too dark?Are my highlights too yellow? Its tilting the fuck out of me. I want it to be a brassy, coppery color, but Im still waiting for the click of understanding when I truly "get it."

>>96245295
I'm not seeing anything wrong with those buckles. They look more gold than brass, so I'd say maybe change your highlight color or wash it orange. But that's such a small item to try and practice nmm with don't go crazy over tiny buckles

>>96245282
Nooope. If you dumped all your beliefs and just did what he tells you, you'd have immediate, huge improvement. He's ascended beyond you because he threw out a lot of what you believe, and replaced it with what in fact works better. His way is the proper way by definition. You're just unable to function without training wheels so you cannot comprehend not needing them. You're walking in mud while he flies and yelling at him that he needs to slow down, like you.

>>96245295
Don't look at miniatures. Look at still lifes particularly Flemish or Dutch painters. Find one that has a lot of brass like some pots or a bugle or something, and see how it was done. The main thing is the forced highlights. You're already sort of doing this and you do not have much space to work with on those areas, but in short you want deeper, more abrupt shadows than you'd ever normally want, and sharper highlights. A bigger jump, which is sort of counter to the usual miniatures painters' idea of always wanting smooth gradual transitions.
Or for a really extreme demonstration look at Jack Kirby metal in black and white inked illustrations. It's not what you want to paint of course but it makes the principle very clear as far as forcing highlights. But really those little buckles are probably ok as-is. They'll look fake and cheesy if you push them much further at this scale. Move onto the helmet, man.

>>96245282
He is thinning it correctly and would have worse results if he listened to you. He's already thought every thought about this that you ever will and grown out of a lot that you are still stuck on. He's done everything you ever will and went higher, leaving your shit behind. He changed because that's what worked better.

>>96245295
Those look pretty good to me. You honestly won't be able to tell until the rest of the mini is painted. NMM feels horrible to do because you have to trust the process and it just looks like shit until you're done.

>>96243426
Your carnosaur in the back is very similar to what I'm trying to do with my Abraxia. Do you remember what you did for it?

The other thing is you want a secondary reflected color down below some of your shadows (which are really reflected shadows). Most NMM looks like shit including supposedly good stuff because it looks like some sort of pastel sugar cake decoration with no real shine or hardness to it. Which happens because people don't push the value enough on both ends.
The best thing about forced highlights and shadows is that they work at least as well with actual metallics because the principle is unchanged. My personal favorite is metallic highlights and midtones and matte, more colored shadows. It is both the most painterly and interesting and also the most realistic at the same time.

>>96245391
Maybe what my eye is looking for is darker, punchier shadows. I'll have to try and push the values down at the bottom when I get home from work tomorrow. Posting a test model I did a couple months ago inspired by Dark Souls 2 in the meantime.

Some vaguely 19th-early 20th century themed scatter pieces I did up over the past week or two when I didn't feel like doing minis. Good way to keep busy and not get rusty with your brush work. Did it with some old half finished stuff I had laying around from years ago. Used renedra plastic infantry stand style bases boomers use for historicals for the basing.

The pile of excavated dirt/stones was done with cork rocks which I covered in a texture paste and then used kraut cover scatter mix and fixing adhesives to cover it up and give it a more believable appearance than paste alone. Loaded wheelbarrows and the shovel (not painted yet) comes from mantics terrain crate range. I wouldnt recommend it. PVC is meh quality and it's just not great for the price. There are superior options within the same range.

The makeshift workbench with tools and scrap lumber pile is from an old 4ground kit. I believe they have gone out of business but their stuff is still floating around out there.

The outhouse is from knuckleduster miniatures, I'm pretty sure. They make some pretty cool cowboy minis. Just a 5 piece MDF kit. Please note and appreciate the bird shit on the roof.

Some more gobbo skin work

Here is a halfling commander I'm working on right now. Still a long ways to go. Thought I'd share it though.

Note, if you are looking for a really smooth white-reading paint get yourself a bottle of AK interactive Deck Tan. Probably the smoothest white-reading color I've used and it gets much closer than something like buff (ushabti bone) or an ice yellow etc. Shading is easily accomplished by diluting your wash and putting multiple layers on, more layers where the shadows should be deeper and more drawn out. I use AK interactive universal thinner to dilute washes and even make pin washes out of inks. If you want a "regular" style diluted wash, Pro Acryl has a glaze/wash medium that is the best on the market by far, imo. Putting on something like nuln oil or army painter dark tone out of the bottle onto a white just goes too hard, I find. I generally use a pin wash technique rather than the common techniques used today. That way you can just put the wash right where you want it and maintain your mid-tones. It takes longer but you can pull off multi layered multi colored clothing pieces much easier this way. Landsknecht style clothing, like the poofy shirt this guy is wearing is a good example where a pin wash will do you better. The issue there of course is time consumption though. It is much quicker to throw the wash on all over all at once, of course. Pin washing is satisfying though and a good skill to develop.

Fun fact, landsknecht mercenaries of the 16th century wore shirts hats and pants not unlike seen on this halfling. The appearance was supposed to evoke and represent the appearance of clothing tattered by battle, while also making them appear larger. Ditto for feathers and plumes on helmets or hats regarding the latter point.

Halfling is by Footsore Miniatures. Paul Hicks sculpted them, so they are true scale minis which is quite out of the ordinary for halfling minis.

Cheers bros have a gooder

>>96235544
Lmao idiots buy this stuff up, like their light you can buy from China for 1/10th the price

Rear view shot. You can see the effect of the multiple layers of diluted wash on the hat there. That's another nice thing about pinwashing. You can pick and choose your color values for each part. Like a glaze wash, almost.

>>96236112
But he has freedom of speech, you get arrested for mean tweets

Anyone know what kind of protective gloves you're supposed to wear when using hardware store type furniture paint stripper?

I try to stay away from the stuff, but for some applications it works better than the milder stuff (brake fluid, pinesol, isopropyl, acetone, etc.)

But that shit is so caustic it will seep through nitrile, latex and kitchen gloves.

Right now I'm tryna strip a diecast model for Necromunda scenery.

>>96245628
Look for stuff marketed as 'solvent resistant painting gloves' and similar. There's no golden bullet solution because each solvent has different chemical interactions and in turn needs different PPE to deal with said interactions. The most common ones I see are PVC gloves but again, check with your local stores.

>>96245628
You should be able to use latex or nitrile just fine unless you're dunking your hand in it for extended periods. Diecast should clean up really easily in acetone or lacquer thinner without even having to handle them much.

>>96245216
I am. This is a shit ikea table that will be soon replaced. It bears marks from years and years of hobbying, cooking, eating, and my daughter playing/drawing on it.
Having said that, I'm not cutting on the table as you would bread, I'm shaving mold lines in my hand

>>96245160
The best/ worst part is that these are people that I play with semi-regularly. Very chill people and tons of fun to play with
I think they're worried being unable to complete the painting goals.

But perfect is the enemy of good and I think that even a 10% progress would be better than no progress.

>>96245672
>perfect is the enemy of good
this is the hobby equivalent of women all commenting "omg ur so pretty" and shit on all their friends pictures.

>>96245642
>You should be able to use latex or nitrile just fine unless you're dunking your hand in it for extended periods.
Nah man, they just don't. The stuff infiltrates and gives you the ol' tingly sting-y frostbite.

But I have only ever used disposables. Maybe thicker reusable gloves would handle it (but the knowledge that some of the solvent is getting through would trip me out and make me feel like the gloves were perpetually decaying afterwards).

I am talking about the gel stripper that comes in a metal can. I think the main ingredient may be dichloromethane. Although weirdly I see some discussion saying that dcm is safer to use with no gloves because the vapours will evaporate before it can irritate you with skin contact (and that gloves will contain the vapour inside them, making the irritation worse). They might be talking about the liquid form, and not the gel version with other additives. I know I have splatted it past my gloves and felt a burning sensation on my forearms before.

>>96245560
Triggered. I bought the gobbo on the left because someone on here painted it and it looked good. Both yours and theirs looks better than mine will. I can never quite get my goblin skin that vibrant. Very smooth layers as well, is that just glazing?

>>96245672
>I think they're worried being unable to complete the painting goals.
Maybe just let them play with unpainted models for now. I've started playing Rangers of Shadowdeep with unpainted models because I'm so slow, and I might show it to my friends to get them to just buy and build minis and then they might slippery slope into painting. Playing it is definitely giving me an urge to paint the models I'm using, so it might increase my productivity rather than just painting loads of minis in preparation. It's a shame the hobby is so hard to get into. No one in their 30s wants to start it because of the time investment.

>>96245560
>he got rid of the pubes from the last pic
Ghey, anon.

>>96245628
What I can tell you for sure is that the typical nitrile gloves don't cut it. Maybe if you get thicker ones. I have spilled hardware store lacquer thinner on my hand while wearing them and it simply goes right through, leaving an unpleasant tingling feeling.

>>96245672
Yeah I hear a lot of "unlike everyone else, I am a PERFECTIONIST with high standards" which is always coming from a nopaintz dipshit with a decade or more of unpainted (waste of money) plastic their parents will sell in an estate sale. Nobody's painting "pro" level armies, they're just letting their wasted cash collect dust in continually devaluing plastic form until they die, having painted almost none of it. It's 100000% copium.

Except that one lizardman asshole ITT, he doesn't count.

But yeah, nothing is more worthless than a guy with 2 or 3 "great" or "perfect" miniatures and 200 that go with it but will never ever be finished. The usual 500 hours Space Marine Captain is worth nothing compared to Lil' Timbo's fingernail polish painted but complete 2000 pt orc army.

>>96245755
Based, I'm contributing to an economy somewhere!
I haven't done too much blending or glazing really, it's mostly layer consistency, I'm still at the point where I might make some refinements to the shading/highlights so not a lot of time gone in to refine any blending yet.
I think the key for really vibrant green skin is just using a saturated yellow to mix in and build highlights that way, and only to start desaturating towards white for like the last bit of highlights. The base green was also tinted a little blue which should contrast with the warmer yellow tinted highlights but idk how significant that is. But the main thing is as soon as you start adding white to lighten things it's going to desaturate it and reduce the vibrancy in the process.

>>96245871
Interesting, I will take this into consideration when I get around to painting mine.

>>96245871
>Based
Post a picture then.

>>96245906
Consider the attached pic. The key to making interesting and kinda-believable goblinoid skin is to have a tan or fleshy tone along with the green. There are a ton of ways to do it but the key thing is green (or blue or purple) skin looks fake very easily unless it has some warmth to it. On top of that it's easy to have it end up looking cartoony. That might be what you want. But I think some authenticity even in very imaginary things is always a bonus. The easiest way to do this with ork flesh is to just highlight with some cream or tan mixed in rather than just going to lighter and lighter green. Thanks for coming to my Mork Talk.

>>96246170
But I did post a picture? >>96245560

New thread:

>>96246173
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>>96246177
Those are hardly based, paisen.

>>96243374
Hexagonal drill bit, but my one went blunt. Go ask stores for another one and a long weight

>>96235906
I still don't understand what is the point of zenithal?

>>96246555
It took them a while to check, but they didn't have them. I got a good deal on dotted line ink and plaid paint though.

>>96245583
yeah, and it's getting worse, but i wont get killed by a cop for shits and giggles