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Anonymous No.96235257 >>96235414 >>96235791 >>96236542 >>96237799 >>96238389 >>96238445 >>96238827 >>96239126 >>96239200 >>96239970 >>96241649 >>96241735 >>96242231 >>96242340 >>96242646 >>96243806 >>96244397 >>96245180 >>96245521 >>96245529 >>96247568 >>96252988 >>96254157 >>96260542 >>96261184
why is it when black people are added to fantasy it's always some African tribe stuff or Muslim kingdom why cant we have some cool ass Ethiopian kingdom aesthetics n shit?

or do people just hate the idea of Christian black people in africa idk
Anonymous No.96235278 >>96235284
do it
Anonymous No.96235284 >>96235442
>>96235278
i did for my own world lol (Its just irl earth)
Anonymous No.96235414 >>96241649 >>96251788
>>96235257 (OP)
In general blacks are condescended to. Ethiopia was successful and cool and unique. Zulus were cool and unique. The Songhai and Aksum, etc. None of these are widely known and the efforts to just put blacks in France or Japan or Norway or whatever co-opting the styles of those regions is likely an intended insult to both parties, and increases animosity between them. Bonus points for inclusion of American culture staples like hip-hop in any historical or pseudo-historical (medieval milieu) story or game.

I think the change needs to come from the only people capable of doing it: white male nerds. Kingdom of Ethiopia fantasy adventure game is up to (You) to wow the world with.
Anonymous No.96235442 >>96239205 >>96244211 >>96244452
>>96235284
Okay, then why do you need to bitch about it online?
Anonymous No.96235486 >>96241649 >>96247568 >>96252697
Because it's done by people that don't give a shit about African culture and just feel obliged to add darkies.
Anonymous No.96235791
>>96235257 (OP)
Cause it takes effort to actually see what kind of culture that actual africans are producing, and most people that whine about this shit are too lazy to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEoGrbKAyKE
Anonymous No.96236542
>>96235257 (OP)
I'm interested in pagan black people. Like the Fang.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fang_people
Anonymous No.96237799
>>96235257 (OP)
A lot of people just haven't heard about Prester John or his mythical kingdom or the extensive search Europeans undertook to try and reach it.
Anonymous No.96238389 >>96241649 >>96241779 >>96243897 >>96264827
>>96235257 (OP)
Because ethiopians don't look African-American enough.
Anonymous No.96238445 >>96260739
>>96235257 (OP)
>do people just hate the idea of Christian
I don't want Christianity in my fantasy games, for a number of reasons. In fact, keep all the Abrahamic religions out.
Anonymous No.96238827
>>96235257 (OP)
>it's always some African tribe stuff or Muslim kingdom
Not even, they just throw blacks into aesthetically inappropriate Europe-inspired settings
Anonymous No.96239126 >>96241649
>>96235257 (OP)
It's funny because that's not actually Ethiopian art. It's American art

Picrel is from inside an Ethiopian Orthodox monastery (built in Ethiopia in the 14th Century)
Anonymous No.96239136 >>96243908
This thread isn't about tabletop games.

This thread is about getting people to scream about race and religion.

And you're a fool if you participate in it.
Anonymous No.96239200 >>96239990 >>96260314
>>96235257 (OP)
Dominions 5 has a faction inspired by the Kingdom of Prester John, core units are mostly inspired by Ethiopia and it has additional units based on what medieval folklore claimed to be Prester King's vassals (amazons, dog-headed people, etc.).
No idea if they brought the faction to Dominions 6, haven't played it.
Anonymous No.96239205 >>96240035
>>96235442
because he wants to see it more often in more popular media? Dummy
Anonymous No.96239970 >>96243412
>>96235257 (OP)
Mass media (that is, media after the advent of the printing press) was coming about and forming its earliest memes well after the Mohammedians had despoiled Africa and into what was soon to become a steep and irreversible decline. Some of that had to do with the near east losing its primacy as a channel of commerce with the far east due to increasing European sophistication in, and eventually total European superiority in, sailing. Finally, the Atlantic slave trade would emphasize a relatively new 'character' to the memes already developed, those being the backwards and weak peoples who were harvested for slave stock.

Christian Ethiopia's glory happened well before this and in a corner of Africa that was not particularly accessible to European media for centuries to come.

Most pop culture today exists at least somewhat downstream of the 16th-18th centuries.
Anonymous No.96239990
>>96239200

They did. Also, the vassals become factions of their own in LA; Piconye particularly is a bit of a beast with their minipopes everywhere/ rec-anywhere fliers/ sacred crossbowmen
Anonymous No.96240035
>>96239205
Ah, so he's an entitled little snotrag, got it.
Anonymous No.96241649 >>96241791 >>96246382
>>96235257 (OP)
Because people don't know history for shit and think pre-colonial Africa was ooga booga land.

>>96235414
>>96235486
Also this. People don't give a shit, and would rather do zero research and keep churning out tokenism.

>>96238389
Ethiopia is a large and diverse country, containing many ethnic groups. I have an Ethiopian friend who looks nothing like those two.

>>96239126
Fucking beautiful
Anonymous No.96241721
Godbound's Arcem explicitly has a fantasy Ethiopia (which is now being overrun by zombies). It even had a negus.
Anonymous No.96241729 >>96242236 >>96242325 >>96243379 >>96245154 >>96245544
>How come we don't have Jews in fantasy? A world of magic, dragons, elves, and dwarves, but Jewish people are where you draw the line?
This is how some people sound.
Anonymous No.96241735
>>96235257 (OP)
It would be cool. Specially considering that they were seen as the mystical kingdom of prestes john through the medieval era.
Anonymous No.96241779
>>96238389
>everyone with ancestors from one of the 50 countries two blocks away in europe is a different phenotype
>everyone with ancestors from a continent three times bigger looks the same
Anonymous No.96241791 >>96242310
>>96241649
>Fucking beautiful
I visited the church in Jerusalem (not the Old City, the big one from the 19th Century). It's a trip. If you ever makes it there, definitely visit.
Anonymous No.96242231 >>96242961
>>96235257 (OP)
Only black people in my setting are based on the Tuareg - camel-riding desert caravaners who are the only ones who know the hidden wells on the route to the burning lands to the south. People say they have entire cities of gold in their home land, but no one north of the desert has ever seen it
Anonymous No.96242236
>>96241729
You don’t have a thieves guild?
Anonymous No.96242310 >>96243562
>>96241791
I don't doubt it. I'm broke af and pale enough that the sun down there could kill me so don't think I'm visiting any time soon, but I appreciate the advice anyway!
Anonymous No.96242325 >>96242611 >>96243209 >>96244196
>>96241729
I always thought we didn't get Jews in fantasy settings (even ones that explicitly have Christianity and Jesus in them) because people would bitch and moan about them if it was to on the nose.
Anonymous No.96242340
>>96235257 (OP)
Traditional games?
Anonymous No.96242495
>abyssinian sword made out of crocodile leather
Sheeit, I'm stealing that for my next PC.
Anonymous No.96242611
>>96242325
No it's because YHVH simply does not exist in that universe, as such there cannot BE any Jews. However the idea that a world, region, or even a universe that doesn't have specific traits in humans is too much for them to handle.
Anonymous No.96242646 >>96242672 >>96244928
>>96235257 (OP)
Because it's idiot white people who actually hate Africans making the product, but use them for social media points.
OP manages to fantastically miss the point because he is one of the people above that I speak of, but he isn't being paid money to hide it.
Anonymous No.96242672
>>96242646
'Contempt' would be a better word than 'hate'. Describes the actions more.
Anonymous No.96242961 >>96242980 >>96245089 >>96262958
>>96242231
Tuareg aren't Black
Anonymous No.96242980 >>96243569
>>96242961
>can't read
Anonymous No.96243209
>>96242325
>if it was to on the nose
kek
Anonymous No.96243379
>>96241729
Because it's a FANTASY world, not a NIGHTMARE world.
Anonymous No.96243412 >>96244945
>>96239970
Even Americans had their big Africa influences set by west, central, and northern Africa. One of the first wars the US fought was with derka pirates raiding their shipping and enslaving the crews. When asked why, because they had no conflict with those countries, they got told "because you're infidels."

The Marines would later immortalize the resulting slap they gave the idiots in their hymn.
Anonymous No.96243562
>>96242310
>and pale enough that the sun down there could kill me

I can't say anything admit the money, but some Israelis are pale as fuck. Even some Palestinians, who have presumably been there longer. It's just like Australia: shade, sunscreen, water. It's not a huge deal.
Anonymous No.96243569
>>96242980
No no, if you base something in a real culture, it needs to be precisely identical in all details or it's offensive.
Anonymous No.96243806 >>96244903 >>96244928
>>96235257 (OP)
It's done to appeal to American wewuzkangz.
Anonymous No.96243897
>>96238389
Still black, African, and still the basis of a lot of black nationalism like Rastafarianism
Anonymous No.96243908
>>96239136
>This thread is about getting people to scream about race and religion.
It's like putting on the glasses from They Live, but for half of the threads on this site
Anonymous No.96243927 >>96244928
People will still bitch about it
There's some recent vidya RPG VN things set in the medieval period, /vrpg/ still bitched about forced diversity and blackwashing and whatever misused buzzwords because the main characters visit Ethiopia once. A place that literally existed and white Christian Europeans knew about and that was cool because they killed Muslims o algo.
Anonymous No.96244196
>>96242325
Goblins, dwarfs, gnomes, kendar… how many different kinds of Jewish do you need?
Anonymous No.96244211
>>96235442
>"why do you want to actually discuss anything online instead of making pithy passive aggressive posts"
Anonymous No.96244397 >>96245043
>>96235257 (OP)
Put what you want in your games. Africa's historical importance is rarely given its due. Egypt and Nubia are some of the earliest known historical civilizations, along with Mesopotamia. Kush conquered and ruled Egypt at one point. Aksum overlaps with the southern borders of ancient Nubia's kingdoms and was considered one of the great world powers in the 3rd centuries. It's interesting, has a long archeological and historical record, and its importance importance in shaping today's world is very poorly known or recognized. It's a great place to steal ideas for your games that most of your players won't know.
Anonymous No.96244452
>>96235442
Because you're being a fag and not doing it in your game.
Anonymous No.96244903 >>96244928
>>96243806
This. American blacks are not Ethiopians, Ethiopians were not enslaved. All culture downstream from braindead Americana caters to US blacks and not Africans. The US has no coherent idea of Old World culture. They think the world is and always was a global USA made up of two race: white, and subsaharan black
Anonymous No.96244928 >>96244942
>>96243806
>>96243927
>>96244903
see
>>96242646
It is about social media good boy points to other white people.
Personally, I'd rather they stop, because it's bullshit tokenism to make white people feel good about themselves, not actually bringing in the varied cultures and history of the world to life.
Keep your shit to your mudhuts in Europe where you attempt to genocide each other, and never have another African in your awful media again, thank you very much.
Anonymous No.96244942 >>96245093
>>96244928
I don't know what my post has to do with those other two or yours, and I won't tell which one it was
Anonymous No.96244945
>>96243412
TO THE SHORES OF TRIPOLI
Anonymous No.96245043 >>96245492
>>96244397
AYO! HOL UP! So u be saiyan dat.
U BE SAIYAN DAT.
WE WUZ KANGZ N SHIET??!!
Anonymous No.96245089 >>96248208
>>96242961
Ok
Anonymous No.96245093 >>96245492 >>96245516
>>96244942
>I don't know what my post has to do
It points out how inherently dishonest the good goys are in their actions, how the intent is to virtue signal to other whites on the totem pole.
I want them to stop because it is patently offensive, and so do most of you lot. On that alone we agree, so tell your kind to stop and we can all be happy.
Anonymous No.96245154 >>96245186
>>96241729
Tolkien's dwarves were Jew-coded, if you're looking for that. Intentional, and he didn't mean it as an insult.
Anonymous No.96245180
>>96235257 (OP)
Lack of good plastic kits. Youhave Perry Zulus, Mahdists and that's all she wrote unless you want to do 15mm metal bush wars, which is cool.

If you want amedieval Afrcan crusader in those quilted jackets that ore in Ethiopia at the time you have to kitbash or find something indie.

Colonials it gets a bit easier
https://mogsymakes.net/ethiopians/
Anonymous No.96245186
>>96245154
He specfically said this was not the case.
Anonymous No.96245492 >>96245951
>>96245043
>>96245093
Jesus christ. Can't you people hold your spaghetti long enough to get through a single thread? No one cares about your identity politics and racism. Shut up already.
Anonymous No.96245516 >>96245951
>>96245093
So there can't be medieval Ethiopia in a medieval setting game?
I am not white, not that I think you're being genuine.
Anonymous No.96245521
>>96235257 (OP)
Because it's Americans and there are only two types over here. Kangz from Niger and Kangz from Niger who name themselves Elijah Muhammed and believe they wuz space Godz and sheeeit and wypippo were created by a mad scientist. Turns out the latter was actually all made up by a Pakistani living in Chicago who was mad about some random shit like being arrested for asking to see bob and vagene or street shitting or something like that. And because American culture is being spread to the rest of the west, Europeans and Canadians often see Africans now as sub-saharan west african bantus. Ethiopians just get left out of the picture.
Anonymous No.96245529
>>96235257 (OP)
People tend to add races to realms that exaggerate their most well known stereotypes. That's why most Asians are repped as Japanese ot Chinese instead of something like Burma.
Anonymous No.96245544 >>96245557 >>96246364
>>96241729
Who the fuck do you think the goblins in Harry Potter are supposed to represent
Wonk No.96245549
It's mainly because people just straight up don't know about it and companies thrive off of doing shit based on things that are commonly understood. It's like how most people don't know that a good chunk of african countries on the whole are fine and can operate. They Operate like Philly, but the mere concept of that is completely alien to the american mind because of propaganda they've been fed, and it's only by talking to people from these areas who have a rock solid idea about these time periods that we can slowly work the common man into thinking that there is more to the world than simply what has been painted with a big brush. It's like having a work of art that's majority known for being a big ass brushstroke of red paint on canvas, but only when you get up to it you see that the artist, has painted a vivid mural within the brush stroke of red paint using shades of red.
Anonymous No.96245557 >>96245758
>>96245544
Goblins. Shut the fuck up with this stuff. Don't you people ever get bored of saying things you think would make your mommy mad?
Anonymous No.96245758
>>96245557
Thank you for you service brave soldier. J. K. Rowling is lucky to count a stalward redditor such as yourself among the ranks of her loyal defenders.
Anonymous No.96245951 >>96247568 >>96255614
>>96245516
If they actually did it accurately, but they wouldn't, because they don't actually care about that, which is my entire point.
>>96245492
This thread is identity politics.
Anonymous No.96246364
>>96245544
Fairies and such have always been depicted as having strange ideas of ownership in British mythology.
>But muh jew star at gringo-
That's a commonwealth star that's part of the building it was filmed in you fucking spastic.
Anonymous No.96246382
>>96241649
>implying pre-colonial Africa was not ooga booga land
It was.
>People don't give a shit
Why would they? Its ooga booga land. People want to research the life and achievements of other people, not farm equipment.
Anonymous No.96247568 >>96251674 >>96262388
>>96235257 (OP)
The actual answer is that Ethiopia has insufficient cultural cachet to have devs borrow from it for material. This is worsened by the fact that Ethiopia Christianized so early, so there's very little pre-Christian mythology left to draw on. You would have to do research; if fantasy authors liked doing research, they would be science fiction authors instead.

>>96235486
While true, it's probably more accurate to think of it as the way that the game already reflects modern culture and ideas, with its level of secularism (most D&D characters are Chreasters at best), liberalism (people are allowed to choose their own jobs, lives, religions, etc, without going to prison for it), feminism (women can do whatever men can do with minimal sexism), and to an extent even capitalism (banking & trade not inherently evil, constant use of please and thank you, etc). So it just also borrows modernism on race (ADOS have more in common with white Americans than Kongo or Mbundu).

>>96245951
>If they actually did it accurately, but they wouldn't, because they don't actually care about that, which is my entire point.
They don't do Europe accurately, why would they do Ethiopia accurately? Just make something fun using cool bits of history for inspiration.
Anonymous No.96247613
>Africa has cool mythology and traditional clothing
>They have origin stories of a random village boy becoming Emperor and overthrowing the corrupt rulee.
>Can't get any of these because White Audience and AA with power to do so just going We Wuz Egyptians/Kush

Shit is so chalked bros.
Anonymous No.96248208
>>96245089
Look at those White desert folk
Anonymous No.96251674 >>96251785
>>96247568
Ethiopia Christianized while being mostly isolated from Europe (to the point where "the quest to establish contact with Ethiopia" was a big deal and received major funding for expeditions trying to get down there), so its Christian traditions and culture are way more divergent. But yeah, it would take a lot more research than adding a France expy would, even if you only added the mythologized version Europe believed in.
Anonymous No.96251785 >>96252342
>>96251674
Yeah, but Europe you get both pagan Europe stuff (nymphs, valkyries, Odin, Mars, Athena, fairies, druids, etc) and Christian Europe stuff (witches, devils, angels, clerics, paladins, etc). Ethiopia you only get the Christian Ethiopia stuff from.
Anonymous No.96251788 >>96251978 >>96252697
>>96235414
>to just put blacks in France
anon? France tried to mold its colonial empire to French culture, expecting them to act and dress like proper Frenchman
Anonymous No.96251978 >>96252057 >>96252090 >>96253223
>>96251788
France's colonial holdings are distinctly not France, and the French were OUTRAGEOUSLY racist in that period and the ferocity of those rebellions prove it. Not to mention wearing their master's clothes was part of that rebellion, not some effort of the French to "civilize" them. Why even lie or try to be cheeky with this? Especially when the stated case was a medieval milieu anyways?
Anonymous No.96252057 >>96252090 >>96253035 >>96253223
>>96251978
Oh yes and a follow up. Your example was 1) mixed and 2) is a special and cool rare case for his time. A story about him could be cool. Will not happen, he "acted white" or whatever. Toussaint won't even get a story about him because honestly even for a slave revolt his conduct was monstrous.
Anonymous No.96252090 >>96252141
>>96251978
>>96252057
>Will not happen, he "acted white" or whatever.
I'm sorry, wait - aren't you guys constantly complaining about black people randomly showing up in fantasy and acting like every other vaguely European peasant/knight/etc? It's sounds like that exactly what this guy did?
Anonymous No.96252141
>>96252090
No, I'm the guy who wants cool African-focused content not "wow look at this one black guy acting like the Europeans!". I opened with not liking Africans (and more accurately, American blacks) being condescended to with "you were (European) kings and shit". By all means, explain why you think I, a guy asking for content in Africa, about Africans, focused on African history would want blacks (or Africans) being in Europe acting like Europeans?
Anonymous No.96252152 >>96252201
Honestly, if they showed actual arfican cultures (Not the all encompassing, sub saharan tribal bullshit) then people would not have near as much issue with blacks being in games.
Ethiopia would be sick as the base for a setting.
Anonymous No.96252201
>>96252152
There are many contenders. With fantasy you can blend the best elements across the entire period as well (much like what D&D did with europe and asia).
Anonymous No.96252342
>>96251785
Yeah, but because it was so mythologized by medieval Europe, there's a lot to work with. The European account of Prester John's Ethiopia is a sort of super crusade ally who's been kicking Muslim and pagan ass over there. It's perfect for a distant foreign would-be ally against whatever dark or chaotic forces are amassing in a generic fantasy setting. You, the heroes, must cross the dark lands and bring a message from our king to their prester and then when you get there, they're exotic but not wildly different in terms of beliefs or cosmic alignment. They're on your team, but not the same as you.
Anonymous No.96252697 >>96252722 >>96253073 >>96257092
>>96235486
I have a theory that fantasy tokenism stems from the fact people simply can't comprehend how difficult it was to travel back then. They didn't have dedicated air lines or cruises, all they had was maybe a mule that they used to carry their shit but by and large most people just walked everywhere. Good luck crossing the Sahara.

Unless they were in the higher echelons where they could afford a horse or come from a nomadic raiding culture like the Bedouin or the Mongols and they had their own problems.

>>96251788
That happened well after the Middle Ages had come to an end. Black people should start to show up when there's clipper ships so you can actually sail the big ocean without getting taken out by a big wave.
Anonymous No.96252722
>>96252697
>They didn't have dedicated air lines or cruises, all they had was maybe a mule that they used to carry their shit but by and large most people just walked everywhere. Good luck crossing the Sahara.
bro it's worse when you consider how much water a pack animal needs.
the Persians crossing into Egypt was a piece of logistical artwork.
Anonymous No.96252988
>>96235257 (OP)
PoE made them Italian and it was pretty cool.
Anonymous No.96253035 >>96253206
>>96252057
>even for a slave revolt his conduct was monstrous
Elaborate?
Anonymous No.96253073 >>96253255 >>96253270 >>96253315 >>96256888 >>96258411 >>96258442 >>96261970
>>96252697
>Good luck crossing the Sahara.

The counterpoint is that crossings of the Sahara happened all the time.

Most people didn't travel very far. Even most nobles lived and died with a few days' ride of the same place.

But there were a small number of merchants, sailors, caravaneers, adventurers, etc. who travelled thousands of miles. For example, even though the majority of the folks travelling the Silk Road mostly just traveled one or two shortish segments (say, just the passage between two major cities), it wasn't uncommon for a merchant to send a representative to escort a cargo a significant portion of the way to make money of better rates further long it.

Similarly, though no one was going around Africa until the Portuguese, in 1000AD it would have been pretty reasonable for an Indian sailor to make it from Basra to Java, or even to Guangzhou. And that on a regularly basis, hitting each spot every year or two.

Since most stories involve extraordinary people, you can invoke that shit.

For example, it would be very unusual for there to be a Ethiopian man in Medieval England, but it's not hard to make a story that's pretty reasonable: Ermias is an Ethiopian man whose sister should have died in an accident when they were kids, but she didn't; he promised to God that because of that he would make pilgrimage to Jerusalem. While in Jerusalem, he meets an English baron named who's there on Crusade. The two both get angry at the same random person in the city at the same time, and become friends, speaking in a combination of broken Greek and broken Arabic. When John invites Ermias back to England, he figures it must be a sign from God and goes along.

Do I expect to see a lot of Ethiopians in 12th Century England? No. Is it reasonable for there to be one or two? Absolutely. Or an Indian merchant. Or a Chinese adventurer. Or a Japanese ronin.

...Of course, lots of people are too lazy to come up with a good explanation, but c'est la vie.
Anonymous No.96253206 >>96256925
>>96253035
Cannibalism and various tortures. You can argue it was tit for tat but it's brutal nonetheless.
Anonymous No.96253223
>>96251978
>>96252057
lmao
Is this like Algeria when locals got mad the French wanted to implement unthinkable shit like equal rights for women and jews?

The repression WAS brutal, tho. But you are still ridiculous people.
Anonymous No.96253255 >>96253360
>>96253073
>Similarly, though no one was going around Africa until the Portuguese,
Phoenicia.
Anonymous No.96253270
>>96253073
This anon possesses knowledge and speaks wisdom. Harken to him, all you imbeciles.
Anonymous No.96253315
>>96253073
>it's not hard to make a story that's pretty reasonable
The problem is that reasonable stories don't cause controversy, which certain types think is a useful sales tactic when it's demonstrably not.
Anonymous No.96253360 >>96254148
>>96253255
It's possible that the Phoenicians did circumnavigate Africa (there's only a single surviving written account, and it's considered to be apocryphal), but they definitely weren't doing it regularly.
Anonymous No.96254148
>>96253360
just because it's written by the father of lies doesn't mean he lied about it.
the truth was buried by the Romans to deny the exceptionalism of the Punic peoples and to bury the great crime they inflicted upon the world
Anonymous No.96254157
>>96235257 (OP)
>or do people just hate the idea of Christian black people in africa idk
My setting has no Christianity or Africa.
Anonymous No.96255614 >>96256857
>>96245951
>but they wouldn't
And what if they did.
And how can anyone be sure you'll ever be happy and not just larping in a way to justify never see any black person in anything, even if they meet some arbitrary standard
Anonymous No.96256857
>>96255614

NTA, but there's like, maybe three people total who don't want to see black people in any media period. That anon might be one of those three but I highly doubt it.
Anonymous No.96256888 >>96258411
>>96253073
Apparently, nip mercs, criminals, and merchants had a little subcommunity in Spanish Mexico of all places.
Anonymous No.96256925
>>96253206
Those without mercy should not be surprised when they receive none in return.
Anonymous No.96257092 >>96258411
>>96252697
>I have a theory that fantasy tokenism stems from the fact people simply can't comprehend how difficult it was to travel back then.
"Back then"? Bro it's a fantasy setting with Teleportation Circle and Sending.
Anonymous No.96258411 >>96258502
>>96253073
They're still going to make less than .01% of the population and are going to be a Marco Polo: the one guy who actually did it with modernity studying his achievements which is what's going to happen to a DND PC. The vast majority of brits before the year 1800 would never see a black man unless they served in the Royal Navy. And the Sahara was still notoriously difficult to traverse with an absolute crapload of agreements made with the Tuareg, Nubians, Misri, and God knows who else just to ensure safe passage. Even though people made that crossing, it was still extremely difficult to keep an entire train of livestock hydrated.

>>96256888
Again, the Age of Sail changed things as you actually could brave the Atlantic or traverse the cape. Before that, ships couldn't move very far at all.

>>96257092
This is another irritating thing in fantasy: the power scaling has been completely fucked. It's an empty Final Fantasy setting with a thin Medieval skin laid over it.
Anonymous No.96258442 >>96258502 >>96259385
>>96253073
>Or an Indian merchant. Or a Chinese adventurer.
Farfetched at best. Any such individual would stop in Constantinople or Bagdad. And they'd still have people gawking and pointing at them.

>Ronin
No. God no. The Japanese are famed for being extremely isolationist even before Nobunaga's fuck up in Korea. Even before the Joseon disaster, it was still extremely rare for Japanese to leave the island with even sailors of the time calling it 'the island of the dog men' which perplexed Marco Polo.
Anonymous No.96258502
>>96258411
>>96258442
I'm also now firmly convinced the Corpo's obsession with 'modernizing' historical understanding is also a consequence of Drizzit. Before Salvatore wrote that book, the Drow were seen as a distant evil that you only encountered as villains sparingly in a campaign. Then Drizzit came in as a blatant author avatar which led to the Drow losing their edge as a parallel evil society and opened the floodgates to players demanding the right to roll snowflakey characters. Why play the knight in shining armor when you can play the tiefling?

Couple that with yet another failed attempt at integrating millions of new migrants and you get what we have now.
Anonymous No.96259385 >>96260256
>>96258442
>Farfetched at best. Any such individual would stop in Constantinople or Bagdad. And they'd still have people gawking and pointing at them.

NTA but I don't think he's saying it isn't far-fetched. I think he's saying that:
1. It's theoretically possible
2. PCs are super special anyway

Which...I mean, the extent to which 2 is true depends on the group and game, right?

>Ronin, No. God no.

It's well established that some ronin left the country. Many joined pirate groups which preyed all around Japan, Korea, and China, and there's evidence that some worked as mercenaries in China and Southeast Asia. I'm sure it barely happened, if at all, but if I was a GM, I would consider allowing it, though I'm sure someone like that would have trouble getting a job very far off of the docks quarter of any city.
Anonymous No.96260256
>>96259385
Japan's isolationism is... Kind of overblown? Sort of? They still interacted with the outside world, although largely constrained to fishermen and mariners. Occasionally, Jesuits and other missionaries would try to infiltrate the island but would quickly get shushed out by the Interior ministries hence the inspiration behind Silence. Ironically, apart of the reason why the Tokuwaga went isolationist was the spread of Christianity.

If you anons ever get the chance, watch that movie.
Anonymous No.96260314
>>96239200
>No idea if they brought the faction to Dominions 6, haven't played it.
It is in Dom 6.
I cant really think of they ever dropping a faction for any reason on the Doms I played.
Anonymous No.96260542
>>96235257 (OP)
Because the people that add these minority character dont do It out of genuine interest of a different unique culture but rather as a way of pandering to their gnostic overlords by referencing modern urban minorities
Anonymous No.96260739
>>96238445
>I don't want Christianity in my fantasy games, for a number of reasons. In fact, keep all the Abrahamic religions out.
Why?
Anonymous No.96261184 >>96266354
>>96235257 (OP)
Westloids and libtrooners don't want Blacks to have their own identity; they want to integrate them. They want to push the message and modern indoctrination of migration and a brown melting pot.

I'm a ""le chud"" and for the longest time I have been asking for Blacks to have their own identity in fantasy settings: people that are a part of the world that has disparate racial groups, instead of everything in it being merely cultures with a diverse, mysterious meat mess. This especially applies to fantasy cultures that are particularly European, while cultures like Cathay in Warhammer Fantasy/The Old World stay racially homogenous.

Keep traditional European fantasy white, and add inspirations of the Zulu and Songhai Empires to add Black people.
Anonymous No.96261970 >>96261992 >>96262239
>>96253073
Yeah, but now imagine that backstory for a PC for a game set in medieval England. You've got a pilgrim from Ethiopia who speaks a smattering of Greek and Arabic brought into a place where everyone else speaks English, aside from his Baron friend (who is presumably another PC), and possibly some other nobles and scholars who study foreign languages.
He's going to be completely incapable of interacting with anyone the party meets, and he's going to stand out like a sore thumb. Any sort of quest involving subterfuge or diplomacy he just can't really participate in.

The concept itself isn't impossible, but just being possible doesn't ensure a character concept is a good or functional one. The rest of the players at the table might not want to babysit a fish out of water from across the globe when they signed up to play a game in medieval England.
Anonymous No.96261992
>>96261970
Ok but what if he... learned English? And maybe wasn't the strongest communicator but used this outsider perception to his advantage by playing the fool.
Anonymous No.96262239
>>96261970
>The concept itself isn't impossible, but just being possible doesn't ensure a character concept is a good or functional one. The rest of the players at the table might not want to babysit a fish out of water from across the globe when they signed up to play a game in medieval England.

Absolutely on all points.

And frankly, "Every character should have the at least tacit approval of the GM and all players" ought to go without saying.

This sort of PC is always a little tricky, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to nix it on "this isn't going to be fun to play" grounds. But not on "This is impossible!" grounds.
Anonymous No.96262388 >>96262493
>>96247568
>capitalism ( (...) constant use of please and thank you, etc)
Could you elaborate on this? Never I'd thought it's strick capitalist thing. Rather I would assume etiquette was born among noble class of even ancient times.
Anonymous No.96262493 >>96262672
>>96262388
>Could you elaborate on this? Never I'd thought it's strick capitalist thing. Rather I would assume etiquette was born among noble class of even ancient times.
The terms "please" and "thank you," prior to the rise of the middle class/bourgeoisie, is used to speak to a social superior. "Please" has a root of "if it pleases you" (the lawyer says to the judge "if it pleases the court"; the judge basically never says to the attorney "if it pleases the defense/plaintiff/prosecution") and "thank" shares a root with "think", as in, "I will remember this." In other European languages, the roots of similar words share a common origin with "mercy" (merci) or "grace" (gracias), for the same reason. When the commercial revolution takes off, the bourgeoisie starts to grow, and you start to have social equals begin to enforce it as a politeness norm.
Anonymous No.96262672
>>96262493
I didnt know that, thanks for this information!
Anonymous No.96262958
>>96242961
Some Tuareg are 100% black.
The thing is they have a caste system where the castes are prohibited from intermarrying. And the artisan caste is ethnically different to the others (they're more black while the nobles are more berber).
Anonymous No.96264827
>>96238389
I wouldn't trust those collective pics, thanks to filters the chinks like anime characters, and they sure as shit don't look like that irl
Anonymous No.96266354
>>96261184
Maybe the issue here is you are a unlikable retard who no one wants to play with. Rather than whining about people who you don't like just make a setting with the stuff you want.