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>Thread Question:Do you like dedicated attack/defender missions, like the Planet Strike?
I'M GETTING RAPED WHILE TYPING THIS!!!
>>96238174Sounds like you were the defender
>>96238157 (OP)We need more missions with environment effects. I always wanted to play the Catatrophe(?) mission thats fighting in an actual nuclear crater.
If you play loyalists, you're a bootlicker.
>>96238157 (OP)ambush from 1.0 was awesome
>>96238207never thought I would get to use this
>>96238157 (OP)More missions that donโt include VP is always welcome.
>>96238218No VP? How does that work
>>96238157 (OP)>Do you like dedicated attack/defender missions, like the Planet Strike?No, they're never well done and they're rarely interesting.
>drop pods easily accessible now
>can only deep strike one unit per turn now
I'm more positive than negative on the edition so far but honestly, some of the decisions seem really counterintuitive.
>>9623821680% of HH players play loyalists. You are a follower, not a leader.
>>96238240Simple objectives. Hold a board edge for example.
>>96238274It was to cut dev time. No need to test if this so conservative.
1e deepstrike for pods should be a common house rule.
>>96238274>drop pods easily accessible now>58 United States dollars for a model that was made something like fifteen years ago
Alright time to out myself as nogames. Do you think it would be good/bad if armor saves were dropped and replaced with armor values for everything? (infantry not inhereting the tank damage tables ofcourse)
I remember several threads ago people discussing the hh1 plasma dilema of AP2 being too easy to kill terminators and that terminators did not last long enough so it felt bad. Why not keep termis with 1 wound each and just give them a land raiders AV for catas(-1 for tarts)?
Infantry would have much lower AV that could be beaten with appropriate small arms and the AP stat would modify be added to your weapons strength without screwing over the S vs T dynamics.
>>96238269How would you find this?
>>96238181Book 1 had istvaan wasteland terrain that included piles of corpses, unexploded ordnance and unexploded virus bomb.
There was also 6th ed apocalypse for 40k that had multiple catasthropic scenarios that included fighting during zombie apocalypse, warp storm, seismic instability and even exterminatus. Yes you could fight mission while entire board was hit with orbital bombardment, virus bombs or cyclonic warhead.
And of course book 3 had zone mortalis rules with rule for fighting in void/toxic atmo where anything that wasn't 2+ or void hardened(so heavy infantry in current terms) considered every hit to have rending special rule to represent void seals breached.
There were also rules to represent death worlds and 6th ed apocalypse warzone books had rules to represent perilious terrain like wastes of armageddon or agrellan, valedor being torn appart or awakening damnos.
So if you want stuff like that then your best bet is heresy 1.0 because you can use old cityfighting, planetary onslaught, deathworld supplements and apocalypse terrain and unnatural disatser special rules.
Here special mission for irradiated world.
>>96238295Wait until you see how much they charge for MESBG models (20 year old molds)
>>96238298This is the same system but auto wounds for non vehicles too.
>>96238300Well I read the mission sets and they were never well done and were rarely interesting.
>>96238308Fuck forgot to attach file and for some reason 4chan don't want pdf file.
https://gofile.io/d/vSTz7R
>>96238329>for some reason 4chan don't want pdf file.Did you miss the whole 4chan hack fiasco a few months ago?
>>96238274Don't worry anon. The Master of Drop Podsยฎ will be released in but a few months in the next War Journalโข. Wait for the PDF! Trust the plan!
Fr what do they have against deep strikes?
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Is a 900-point kill team based or cringe?
>>962382981.0 and 2.0 had the issue of fragile vehicles thanks to the vehicle damage table. Some of the most complained about units in 1.0 units were low AV vehicles because of how easy they were to make useless. The better vehicles were super heavies that basically ignored the vehicle damage table and all its baggage. Units like dreads and speeders going to toughness and wounds in 2.0 made them so much easier to use. Giving terminators armor values would just be more of the same unless there are other changes to 1.0 vehicle rules.
>>96238298>hh1 plasma dilema of AP2 being too easy to kill terminatorsTerminators have since gone up a wound, then gained +1T to make them even more resilient against small arms.
After the buffs, Plasma weapons didn't need to then also be nerfed
>>96238314Anon I've been doing this for 18 years, I already know.
one of the better ideas on hhg was to disallow rolling on the vehicle damage until a vehicle had lost half of its HP or more
>>96238364Simply provide an armor save.
deff guard
or
emperor's children
or
night lords
pick one.
>>96238326How would you fix* them?
>>96238157 (OP)lotta layers to the OP pic
>>96238288>play the faggiest of the two school shooter legions, the midwit CIA legion, the lesser ImpFists or one of four flavors of daemonic cumsockPass, loyalty is its own reward.
>>96238308>included fighting during zombie apocalypseThat sounds fun
>>96238393Ah, but you failed to mention the SONS OF CTHONIA...
four years into HH being a mainline game and they still haven't done plastic upgrade kits for each of the Legions
>>96238404Only respectable traitors to be desu with you.
>>96238405Xir, this is the creative hobby not โeveryone has the same primaris slopโ hobby.
>>96238405Why bother, no one will buy it and just keep 3d printing or getting recasts of old shit
>>96238405small indie company please understand
>>96238405What legions even got upgrade kits outside of pauldrons and helmets, SoH and BA? How many were originally promised?
>>96238405They haven't even done more then one kit for the Sisters.
You'll get your legions when you get them. and before the sos get anything as well
>>96238338people's bitching about deep strike in 2.0 so they have to overcompensate instead of actually fixing it.
>>96238380THINGS SHALL GET LOUD NOW!!!
>>96238480https://youtu.be/i7AC5M7F4ys?si=QWOh0hsSm6RWYt_t
>>96238288Aren't IW the most popular legion?
>>96238501The most popular Legion is Morits
>>96238174Sorry Pardo. That's justice.
>>96238404KILL FOR THE LIVING! KILL FOR THE DEATH!
What's the bri'ish legion? SoH?
>>9623828895% of HH players play Space Marines. You're almost all followers. You couldn't get your fill of following and had to play a second game that said You Must Follow This [ ] Hard to Enter.
>>96238410>the creative hobby>glues a sword designed for a Space Marine to a Space Marine
>>96238449SW got TWO sets of helmets
>>96238562Too middle-eastern- wait nvm I see your point.
>one shot a kratos with the lascutter
we are so back, knightbros
>>96238618The atrapos is still the lamest knight.
>>96238157 (OP)What are you working on tonight, anons?
I'm working on making the objectives/status tokens actually readable from tabletop distance
>>96238629you mean the coolest
>>96238630I'm drawing a cool guy
>>96238629you're the lamest anon
>>96238637That just means I know what I'm talking about.
>>96238631No.
>>96238274You can still play a sort of "drop pod assault" army if you spam dreadclaws, and units can even do a disordered charge out of them on the turn they arrive...
Oh fuck, we're gonna get plastic dreadclaws aren't we?
>>96238630Assembling 2 shield-captains (I bough a box of custodes as an epic prank on myself)
>>96238629I didn't think is was possible to be this wrong.
>>96238157 (OP)>rangalloped
>laughraff
you done fucked up
>>96238630>Just got into bed>Realized the back side's metallic bit had a massive overspill>Going to have to get back up to fix it otherwise it'll bother meI hate it here
>>96238667not an assault vehicle, lol, lmao
>>96238528Iron Hands had heavy recruitment from Albia
>>96238410> this is the creative hobby>searches Etsy for Night Lords bits, buys some>Ah, creativity!
>>96238630Oh nice, I did some up a few nights ago.
>>96238635give him huge tits and we'll talk
>>96238336>Did you miss the whole 4chan hack fiasco a few months ago?Oh yeah that was thing that happened. So instead of fixing problem hiroshimoot just decided to ban pdfs...
>That sounds funPic related
>>96238630Trucking along with this guy
>>96238390The Alpharius of Gundam.
By that he's a sidewinding snake.
>>96238718You keep posting this guy, Anon, for god's sake paint his fucking palm
>>96238635How stingy is he with the relish?
>>96238725There's nothing to paint
>>96238682>the truth is we're gayThat's what I'M saying
>>96238630I was thinking about doing the same with painting the tokens when my box arrives. Do people also paint their templates?
>>96238393I play AL as loyalists because they believe the Emperor is a god
>>96238630Wb centurion command squad. Btw never do this. Get tape or paper or something. This is torture lol. Still debating on which heavy weapons I wanna use. So far 3x dlc, 3x fist, 2x maul and 2x heavy weapons
The trick is to roll the greenstuff out into sheets, then first let it cure for a bit until it's more stiff. Then you sculpt the cloth out of it.
>>96238501Yes, but 'Loyalist Iron Warriors' is a meme for a reason.
>>96238826Is making greenstuff cloaks pretty easy? Was thinking on whether fabric or greenstuff should be done for Recon cloaks just earlier today.
>>96238871They have a canon character for loyalist allegiance, and I'm pretty sure he had rules last edition. That's more than most legions can say
>>96238501Yes but most no games are also iw so it evens out
>>96238875It has quite a learning curve. There were many attempts that ended in disaster and frustration before I got the hang of it.
But it has become much easier after I learned to let the greenstuff harden out before sculpting on the cloak. You can give it a try, but I wouldn't blame anybody for using different methods.
>>96238871Yeah, because their primarch is retarded and not only gets his men killed for no reason, he didn't even have the good sense to gather his legion before going traitor like everyone else so there's random garrisons of iron warriors everywhere who never got the message
>>96238880But that's on theme for the legion. Instead of fighting, they just sit for months inside a bunker going "I could totally take on those guys, I'm a master at warfare. I just don't feel like it today"
I've come to the conclusion that I just don't look salamanders. I've seen so many color schemes of different brightness and grittiness but I've just never liked the green.
>>96238920I ran into that with my 40k army.
Which sucked because I have the sculpted shoulders on all of them.
It's why I decided not to get any when I moved over to 30k.
>>96238875Apparently gum wrappers coated with glue was the standard back in the day.
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asking again cause last thread died.
Planning to convert some of the new 40k to HH indomitus terminators (or run them as tartaros if the PDF is a dumpster fire)
Is there anything else I should do to 30k-ify them. My plan right now is to
>Scrape off the imperialis chest symbol
>replace the crux shoulder pads
>cover the primaris belt buck with a tabbard
>swap the storm bolters with combi-bolters
Ultramarines if it matters
>>96238875Making them isnโt terrible using a reference, itโs the folds that are awful
Saturnine terminator looks really uncomfortable to wear. How is anyone's legs supposed to bend like that
>>96239003It is uncomfortable, but only because the marine is most likely folded up inside the torso like a nugget. Saturnine armour is piloted, not worn.
>>96239003the pilot is likely a quad amputee
>>96238950The pteruges fit Ultramarines fine. Minus the Crux Terminatus, I don't expect UM to have too slapdash Indomitus termies seeing that they were the least buttfucked legion, and the Imperalis should still fine for loyalists, it's the Aquila that was a bit more in moderation.
>>96239011Explain the option to build the model without a helmet
>>96239011Sorry i misunderstood you
T.
>>96239045
>>96239045That's not an option?
People can kitbash it, but neither the Preator or standalone kits come with bare heads.
>>96238920i think you could manage it if you basically really leaned into the dirt and grime and environmental discoloration so that the greens and patterns and flames and such are sort of only poking through by the time all is said and done
full dick super green as they are is quite garish and dissonant to my eyes
>>96238905Why do you need IW for Garrison duty? What are the Solar Auxillia doing?
>>96238501Probably since 40k has dogshit rules for armored CSM lists for quite some time now
>>96239076What part of
>their primarch is retarded Did you fail to understand
>>96239076>Why do you need IW for Garrison duty?NTA but didn't Iron Warriors sometimes get punished with garrison duty? Like a non-official exile over some failure or slight?
Are Saturnines worse than Primaris?
Can we no longer make fun of 40k?
>>96238950Look at the red scorpion and carcharodon terminator characters for ideas on how to better 30k them.
>>96239114Not even close. I would even go as far to say that saturnine terminators are what 40k ceturion suits should have looked like.
>>96239114go back tourist
>>96239137Genuinely why I love them. Time developing allowed for pilots being able to jump in and out of them but it came at the cost of cheapening out on the armor, reactor, and likely maneuvering. It does a great job at showing the difference between a late great crusade prototype/retrofit and a 40K design
>>96238405You still buy GW huh? Get with the 3d times already
Am I missing something, or can regular apothecaries join squads of terminators now?
Would it be worth using the Medic! reaction on terminators? 4+ save to reduce damage by 1, would definitely make D2 weapons a lot less effective.
'Ate Dark Angels
'Ate Ultramarines
'Ate Civilians
'Ate Nostromo
Delicious
>>96239202Tummy is DG, wtf
>>96239215>Random Night Lord from the front: Nostramo was destroyed by Curze?>Night Lord with suspiciously Nostramo-shaped stomach bulge: Haha yeah he *burpp* he just destroyed it.
>>96239232He's a drug mule isn't he?
Wrapping up the last 5 gal vorbak and not!Zardu. What are y'all working on?
>>96239247so what exactly are the Gal Vorbak possessed by? I don't think undivided daemons are canon anymore save for Belakor and maybe furies? Also, are the demons possessing them bloodletter-tier? or GUO-tier?
>>96239202You're suppose to drape yourself with the corpses, not eat them!
>>96239202is that a cleaned up 40k DG? lmao
>>96239232this is what Kurze saw in his visions
>>96239202Not so *huff* fast!
>>96239339The codex astartes was designed to spread out the legion food stores all over the galaxy, to keep them out of his reach
>>96239339Didn't SW have a member whose metabolism was all fucked and had to have a custom armour made for him because he couldn't fit into a regular one?
>>96239360I thought only men could become Marines? How did your mom join?
>>96239360You've been reading furry inflation porn again anon
>>96239202>>96239323>>96239339>>96239360>I'm putting a team together to deal with Lotara Sarrin
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Has anyone interdiction cadre rules?
I forgot to save mine during mass leaks :(
>>96239395Legion for this feel?
>>96239395Isn't this just a leaked brainwashing video the Dark Angels use to train their inductii?
>>96239405>
>>96239405Blackshield company made up of failed Death Guard and Emperor's Children inductii
>>96239414very based, thanks fren
Boom!
Post what you've been working on.
>>96239467Post an army shot bro
>>96239529It's all in a cabinet, not sure I've got a surface that's big enough to hold it all and actually get good light on them. Maybe after I've finished the Mkii I'll be working on next.
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>>96239556Based. Fuck the barrel drill mafia.
>>96239541IW players too stupid, skill ceiling too high
So, how fucked are Custodes in this edition?
What are the consequences of no unit having line, at all?
>>96238410>not โeveryone has the same primaris slopโ hobbyHere's your five man sprues
Same pose for all marks, same arms for all heavy/melee weapons!
>>96238402>Saturnine helmets fit on regular Marine bodiesNobody told me this, a random troon posted this picture. Game-changer, imo.
>>96239666WTF is this coralline abomination
>>96239747That looks shockingly good honestly. Might have to pinch that idea for a centurion kitbash at some point
>>96239467Incredibly lazy to not drill barrels, you should be decimated
>>96239747>>96239753Perfect for a Master of Signals/Siege Breaker kitbash.
>>96239395Disgusting coomer
>>96239666Literally unplayable. Some people might say "Wait for the Liber!" but this edition isn't salvageable.
>>96239666It is a silly oversight but realistically they're just waiting for the Liber to come out. Probably fine as allies otherwise until then?
>>96238405Black Templars in particular seemingly eat very well for 40k.
>>96239747Question - are the helmets full heads, or just faceplates that you swap out and attach to the back of the head?
god damn, does Jaghatai have the worst gambit of all 18 primarchs?
>-1 strength total on an enemy if you wound them this phase
Utterly insignificant with his shitty T6 unless it's a strength 5 weapon from the enemy dueling him... which is nobody but the lowest level characters and he'd instead Seize and do 7x AP2 Dmg2 attacks on before they hit.
>>96239814At least he has a gambit. Alpharius has nothing.
>>96239827they're literally the same, because there's zero situations you'd ever use jaghatai's gambit over Finishing Blow/Seize/Grandstand/Flurry
>>96239814no bike option either, dead edition
>>96238157 (OP)Can someone talk me out of buying the Death Guard resin back in stock with GW? Both Praetors, Death Shroud and a Grave Warden
>>96238338Master of descent is out now
>>96239827Alpharius has "I am Alpharius" for alpha legion which is an S-tier gambit that sets even Fulgrim to initiative 1 instead of 8.
Jaghatai gets nothing as his own gambit is 0% useful and the White Scars legion gambit has a 50% chance to fizz out doing nothing whatsoever and 50% chance to ignore a negative modifier for being wounded.
Alpha Legion is S-tier gambit, White Scars D or F tier.
>>96239846Most recasters you can order from will often have quality the same as, if not sometimes better than, GWโs, and you get it for half of the price GW asks of you.
>>96239846I'd never buy any of the small characters from GW. The prices are insane and they're so small you can't even see any difference at all between a $20 recast or $80 GW small infantry without pulling out a microscope.
I bought some of the official primarch just because they're large enough and people will oogle them, but no way it's ever worth doing for death shroud, grave wardens or praetors.
>>96239846Wait for the plastic kits
Trust
>>96239875>>96239885Any recommendations for recast? Iโm UK based
Two observations from the new saturnine termi/praetor sprues:
1) they seem fully compatible between each other. I'd need to test it, but it seems you can, for instance, swap the ornate leg pieces of the praetor with the more plain ones on the regular termies.
2) the praetor is divided into a large sprue and a small sprue: the small sprue contains the extra gubbins/bling and the unique weapons (axe, hammer & plasma blaster). Could this hint at more saturnine HQ kits with different loadouts? Maybe even legion specific weapons/bling?
++ Thought of the day ++
>The perfect strike is never late, the fumble always too early
>>96239896>>96239885>>96239875Actually Iโm looking at size comparisons and fucking heโll the MK3 are larger than death shroud at this point ffs, changes of plastic legion specific stuff then?
>>96239929There are rules for Saturnine Centurions and Command Squads inbound as well, likely a kitbash between the two boxes.
>>96239945When did the whole "Imperial truth" instead of "imperial cult" start?
At one point the reason lorgar went to chaos is because the emperor taught he was too slow
Fulgrim also went from the imperial cult to chaos, implying the imperial cult was a thing.
It's not BL, is it?
>>96239950BLM just takes me to my account page if I click on warhammer which is shit I can only see infinity and kingdom death stuff
Sure are an awful lot of people ITT with saturnine models while also complaining about how ugly they are
>replace dreadnought with an updated boxnaught kit
>swap the turret for a team of rapiers
Just saved your shit launch james, hire me.
>>96239962Have you considered the possibility that those complaining and those posting their saturnine might be different people?
>>96239961works fine 2 seconds ago, try deleting your cookies and logging back in
>>96239968It happens in the same posts such as
>>96237168
>>96239977Outliers don't define the norm, that particular anon most likely is into cock and ball torture as well.
>>96238157 (OP)God damn OP is a faggot.
How much of mommy's money do you piss away on gacha a month you virgin fag?
>>96239959The Imperial Truth as a concept was invented for the book series.
>>96239950how safe is BLM payment, seems they don't use paypal, is it possible to get refund if it's defective or it is one of those scam payment systems with zero protection?
>>96239979In any case I do hope you do your part is bullying the fools who did buy it.
>>96239999Why would I? I'm not some jaded faggot who can't stand other people enjoying things. If people who bought it are content with their purchase, more power to them.
>>96239993Was it really all Black Library?
There was that one writer who got his book signed by richard dawking but that's way too on the nose
>>96240006You sound like a fag.
>>96240006>not some jaded faggot>Stop complaining!!!Indeed, a hypocritical jaded faggot you are
>>96240028Point to where I told anybody to stop complaining.
Oh wait, that's right, I didn't. Cope harder.
>>96239996They do use PayPal.
>>96238157 (OP)How do I stop being a hobby baby and start converting? Any ideas on a siege consul for the Death Guard? Or a master of descent of iron hands
>>96238157 (OP)Can you only have one high command slot? So for example only one praetor or can I have a praetor in term armour and power?
>>96240041>who can't stand other people enjoying things
>>96239959In Visions of Heresy (2004) by Alan Merret, the initial HH series bible published by Black Library, the Emperor punishes Lorgar for being into religion and not science and reason.
Then in Horus Rising (2006), Dan Abnett introduced the Imperial Truth as the early Imperium official ideology.
You gotta remember that this all began just after 9/11, the start of the Iraq war, the peak of the new atheist movement, and written by brits and not americans. Religious zealots are not seen as cool.
>>96240075Giving the reason why I refuse to bully people is not telling other people to stop complaining. Are you ESL or just illiterate?
>>96240101So you're fine with people complaining?
Let's hear your complaints then
>>96240112GW prices are way over inflated, which seems to have become the norm with everything these days. Happy now?
>>96240132Name 3 models you hate
>>96240160Deredeo dreadnought
The dick shaped jetbikes
Your favourite primarch :^)
>>96240160Pumbagor, Storm Talon, Gal Gadot
>>96240188>can't name a single new modelThis is getting more suspicious by the post
>>96240188I hate primarchs, miss me with your super hero demigod bullshit, lore is a shit, BL be bitch
>>96240190What the fuck is a pumbagor
>>96240094However, at the same time Horus Rising stablished the Imperial Truth, it also introduced the Lectitio Divinitatus and the worship of the Emperor as a honest underground cult of common people. An obvious callback to the rise of Christianism in Imperial Rome and stories like Quo-Vadis, Ben-hur, etc
This becomes one of the main HH plotlines, with characters like Euphrati Keeler, a remembrancer, and future first Imperial Saint, already banishing daemons with her faith in False Gods (2006) by Graham McNeill. Yes, the same author of The Last Church (2009).
>>96240194You didn't say it had to be recent models. Hate all the new marine infantry too.
What is the next requirement you're gonna bring up after the fact? This is getting as bad as trying to talk with a woman.
>>96240203Beastmen chariot.
>>96240094>Religious zealots are not seen as cool.Yet even the Brits keep creating religious zealots as villains all the time.
Anybody got liber hereticus? I heard there's additional content for legion heraldry in there.
>>96240233HH models you hate, obviously
>>96240094>Writer inserts his personal beliefs/vandettas into an existing storyMany such cases
>>96240248>as villainsExactly.
Religious leaders and followers as naive fools at best and usually evil or corrupt is the classic sci fi trope despite rare outliers.
30k/40k is actually one of these outliers, as the worship of the Emperor is shown as a real necessity despite all the evils of the Ecclessiarchy. Honest religious characters are even vindicated or cool (Keeler, Garro, the Anchorite, Celestine)
just ordered Mortarion, Alpharius, Angron, Konrad, Fulgrim and Sanguinius from BLM, hope I dont get screwed by customs somehow
>>96240300The existing story in 40k always presented religion as something fucked up, as per the classic sci fi trope.
If anything, the BL books pioneered religious heroes like Keeler in the setting.
Probably because Abnett loves to subvert expectations
>>96240329Except the expectation that any good character short of Gaunt will get mercilessly merc'd in his books
>>96240266ctrl+f iconography in previous threads
>>96240160NTA but the only 30k model I could say I hate is the archmagos prime with his stupid hat. There's plenty of others I dislike, but hard to outright hate
>>96240329>The existing story in 40k always presented religion as something fucked upI'm gonna stop you right there with your shitty relativism.
There is a world of difference between characters doing something we think is bad and having the characters downright think it's bad too.
That's the big issue: the 40k universe is fucked up and we, outside of it, can see it and don't need to be told it's fucked up, we see it as it is.
But needing the main guy to also think this way, that's self-inserting yourself into the setting, and not just as some rare soul in a terrible world, but as a figure of absolute authority.
>Abnett loves to subvert expectationsThere are 2 kinds of writers that can be described this way.
The ones who do for a good worthwhile reason, and the faggots who have an ego problem.
Guess which one he is.
What's the DG playstyle? I really like their vibe and love the way they painted deathsrouds though I hate that they are traitors. Would playing them as loyalists be out of place? I don't think there would be many left after Istvaan.
>>96240381You can play them as loyalists.
Better yet, you can play them, and decide as you go what side they fall on, if they do at all.
They're miniatures, the fluff is in your head, as fickle and capricious as you wish it to be
>>96240370>hating on hats in Warhammer
why is the predator so cheap?
Saturnine box should have been a mid-life expansion for 2.0, with the 'expanded rules' for the units/formations being folded into legion Libers in 3.0.
Instead of getting high and engrossing myself in the setting, I'm getting high and pondering GW's decision making process.
>>96240381DG playstyle is slowly advancing heavy weapons and infantry backed up by mortar fire and rapiers. Worth noting that lore-wise, Traitor DG have very few vehicles, while loyalists got most of the vehicles
>>96240415the eternal mainstay of the parking lot list needs to be available, bring six of them with two kratos at 3k and make lots of friends
>>96240381Also remember it would be retarded to use death shroud or grave wardens as loyal because theyโre literally Tyhpon and Mortarians personal guard
>>96240433So would it be out of place to run a lot of DG tanks?
>>96240445one thing to note is that every legion used every unit (aside from legion exclusive units of course). The legion "stereotypes" are just how they usually worked, but nothing stops you from running a ton of psykers in your DG army, despite Mortarion hating them
>>96240421Home rules, home rules.
New model? Add to home rules
Come home to home rules
Which armour mark is most associated with Iron Hands between Mk2, Mk4 and Mk6? I know Mk3 has some strong associations but I dislike the new kit and also prefer to limit Mk3 to specialists. I wanted to keep a majority of my troops and Commanders to a single Mark for that mass-produced feeling.
Mk2 looks closest to Mk3 so probably the most cohesive appearance.
Mk4 is probably the fluffiest for early Heresy? I assume Horus liked Ferrus because he wanted to convert him, and also Medusa would be able to produce their own suits.
Mk6 is explicitly the most popular suit late-Heresy and again the manufacturing capability, but it doesn't feel like it matches the IH MO.
>>96240521You already answered yourself anon, beyond the classic "all legions had all armour"
>>96240521I'd say Mk2, but it's fun to pimp out all marks to be IH bespoke
>>96240521Mk2, though its worth noting that IW got all the new patterns first because they were workhorses. IIRC they were even the first one to get beakie armors, but Pert thought they were shit
>>96240534IW were the workhorses of the imperium?
>>96240547Their geneseed was super stable and almost never rejected, which meant they had the most marines and so were the ones doing most of the work. Worth noting that they had the most marines even taking into account Perty's meatgrinder strategies which also resulted in them being the legion with the highest casualties..
So I tried to give 3.0 core rules a proper read again and correct me if I am wrong,but it doesn't state anywhere that reserves are from turn 2, so is it true you can do reserves in turn 1 as well?
>>96240534>IIRC they were even the first one to get beakie armors, but Pert thought they were shitUnfortunately you remember incorrectly. IW and Salamanders got a small batch and neither were happy because they wanted a new MkIII. It was decided RG would conduct field trials, which backfired. Other legions also conducted field trials, as there's examples of DA using prototype MkVI and doing improvements to it that would be added to the final suits.
>>96240615Has me wondering which legion actually "liked" using MkV beyond just requiring it to have armour on marines
>>96240615>VPlease nuke the wiki.
>>96240641>>96240615worth noting that it's a typo and it's meant to say MkVI
>>96240660Theyre the most "space marine" legion. Theyre the well intentioned atrocity of a dying empire come to haunt it, honorless thugs in power armor that represent humanity at its worst given power beyond measure by the cruel whims of a would be conqueror. They also have very fun rules as a legion, lots of cool interplay with their traits (both in 3.0 and 2.0)
>>96240659Understood but my curiosity still remains. Beyond being cheap and shitty, why would a marine *want* to wear mkV? Does it offer any advantages over the other marks?
>>96240671Why is every NL kitbash/conversion so fucking cool?
I can't think of any other legion that has this much cool stuff made by people
>>96240582It lets vehicles run 6". They can't shoot at multiple targets but they can shoot snap shots at 1 target. If they are a transport they can't disembark occupants afterwards
>>96240671>well intentioned atrocityThey've never been this.
>>96240675It's not really shitty, it's still up to regular power armor standards. It's also easier to mass produce so works great for large scale logistics. MkV has a weird retconned history where for the longest time it was considered an "unofficial" pattern that just meant "they're using a bunch of parts from different marks because that's what they had available" and switched to "it's actually a standarized pattern"
>>96240675nta but it's the armor of necessity, you said it: it's cheap. That's the point, replacing casualty. That's why it's called the HERESY pattern, because it's a product of the inter-legion wars.
In 40k the reason can be that it's either an honour or a punishment.
>>96240675It's cheap and shitty. For when you cannot afford the expensive and awesome armor, but you still need that 3+
>>96240689because deep down, we all know that edgy is cool, and NL are the only legion with a legit tactical reason for wearing all the LARP costumes
>>96240697>it's not shittyexcept the cabling need to be exposed
and that it overheats
and that it's super heavy, increasing power drain
and that it's made with subpar materials requiring extra layers, hence the bonding studs
It was a stopgap, if it was "up to regular standards" yet was cheap, they'd just make that and only that
>>96240701>edgy is coolWell said. It scooby do be do be like that
>>96240675MKV (actually MKVI, MKV was just its production number before it was delayed for more testing and MKV came out as the heresy garbage mark) offers good mobility and sensors, its also iirc easier to maintain.
If you mean the crappy MKV "heresy" armor? No, its advantage is that its easy to make and maintain. Every proper production mark before and after except MKI is better than it, but the marks that came before (including MKIV) were much harder to maintain, especially in the field, they were designed to be used by an army with the industrial backing of the imperium of man and its industrial capabilities, not by independent or isolated bands of warriors forced to utilize local industry and infrastructure. And when all supply lines break down, when the galaxy descends into turmoil and every other mark is now nearly impossible to replace or maintain? Thats advantage enough.
>>96240689Because NL get very little official shit, so you have to convert.
Same reason you see lots of cool WS armies, independence breeds innovation.
NL are also really easy to have look lame, their aesthetic is very reliant on the added flourishes so you need to convert them. Vanilla troops often dont look very good as NL
>>96240694Sure they were.
The night lords were supposed to serve a greater good, their methods might have been horrible but the justification was that this fulfilled a purpose, that the ends justified the means.
>>96240701They do love their pageantry.
>>96240707Real talk, if armor marks had different rules, which marks would be the waacfaggiests? Which would be spammed and how would they be used?
And I guess discuss the rule, it's just for fun, it'd be hell on the tabletop lmfao
Which books would you say have the best descriptions of Marines in battle?
>>96240561But ultras had the most marines.
>>96240689Because you have bad taste like all NLfags
>>96240708>ammo feedsWe don't do that anymore.
>>96240719That depends on how theyre balanced. But probably either MKIV or whatever the cheapest mark ends up being (so MKV probably).
MKIV was just the objectively best mark, its only downside would be potentially cost to represent the fact it was harder to maintain. So its down to whether GW can balance that fact or not.
>>96240719They each had their strengths and weaknesses, but IIRC MkVII is just the best? Cant' remember if MkIIX was around, but I don't think so. If it was, that would be the best.
>>96240561>Worth noting that they had the most marinesWhy would that be worth noting when it's wrong?
>>96240747What I was thinking yeah
Mk2 and mk6 I'd expect to be the more balanced ones
Mk3 specialized
>>96240714>NL are also really easy to have look lame, their aesthetic is very reliant on the added flourishes so you need to convert them. Vanilla troops often dont look very good as NLBut that kind of wholesale conversion is extremely expensive...
>>96240750>MkiixI will assume it's on purpose, if so I kek'd, if not I wept
Mk8 was not around I think, I don't remember the fluff but it's several millenias after the heresy, I think that's the point of it: after so long it's the only improvement and it's so rare that chapters rarely field full suits, they spread the parts around
>>96240735>>96240753guess I must be misremembering then. They still had massive numbers to sustain their attrition warfare tactics
I want to see more marines fighting fantasy creatures.
>>96240750MKVII ended up being the "best" in terms of balance between capabilities and production ease, learning the lessons of MKV and the heresy while incorporating the sensors of MKVI, MKIIX was iirc an attempt at a "better" variant of armor in terms of actual abilities, but never ended up really coming out because of its high cost and the shit state of the imperium by that point. MKIV was still the overall highpoint in terms of "what it does" but wasnt something the imperium could afford at that point either even if they could produce it so it ended up relegated to artificer arrmor and relic status.
Then they released primaris armor and its just the best and theres a billion variants, but primarisl lore is fake and gay and im ignoring it so whatever
>>96240745To be fair I like big ammo boxes too, I'd have settled for a special ammo carrying backpack for each heavy weapons. But gotta be as cheap as possible, small indie company, please understand
>>96240794I wish there'd be xenos in 30k, great crusadin' and all.
And even more heretical: I wish trolls were part of the orks, give more versions, more flavors, more subfactions and units, it's a whole galaxy afterall
>>96240797>spoiler>"Most compatible and adaptable armor">Only has like 4 versions and is practically never mixedStill makes me laugh
>>96240816>And even more heretical: I wish trolls were part of the orksHonestly that idea could have worked really well. Some sort of ogryn equivalent, maybe then even add armored versions of versions carrying big guns (that they fire at BS2).
Speaking of the Master of Descent, did all of the Legions make use of Drop Pods? Is this yet another one of those flanderization cases where people go "Nooo, this Legion didn't use this!" even though they most likely used every single piece of wargear made available to them?
>>96240825Every legion used every unit and form of war found in the base liber. There might have been those that made more or less use of them, but all of them used all of them and in decent numbers. Every legion used drop pods.
>>96240825Aside from salamanders having tisms with rad weapons, everyone used everything to some degree
>>96240777They were the third largest legion per the most generous pre-Isstvan estimates. A precise headcount was impossible because of their dispersed organization. Plausibly they were several rungs lower, perhaps the fifth most numerous legion, since other traitor legions such as the XX and XVII were believed to have been massively undercounted by the Heresy's outbreak.
>>96238157 (OP)Whatโs up with most people playing loyalist in this game, even with traitor legions
Caved, ordered the liber hereticus. 35% just seems too good a deal and I like having the physical rules on hand just in case.
>>96240820Love it, could also be hauling gun wagons or tossing missiles like javelins
I'd call em the "big 'uns" or the "dum 'uns"
>>96240756Greenstuff isn't expensive.
>>96240861>or tossing missiles like javelinsThats a bit far I think. Although having them throw bombs like grenades could work.
Having them be beasts of burden is also a cool idea, maybe have some grot artillery be pulled by them?
>>96240816>I wish there'd be xenos in 30k, great crusadin' and all."yes"
But I think xenos in 30k should be done like demons in 30k. Meaning as broad and generalized archetypes, rather than the specific and detailed armies we know from 40k.
So eldar wouldnt have guardians/dire avengers/whatever, they would have "eldar footman, eldar elite, eldar hovertank" - maybe even broader than that. You could probably write a decent list that allows for representing all the various minor xenos factions encountered during the crusade, the sorts of armies where "xenos deathlocks" (those blackshield options) would fit in.
>>96240866>Thats a bit far I think.I hope so, that's the point :^)
Missiles or any explosive, the point is they toss big boom instead of cannons
I like where you're going
>>96240615>quoting wiki>ever
Mk2: OG classic, good enough to conquer the galaxy. The iconic SM armour and a memory of better times. I vaguely remember it being especially mobile around the joints so popular with master swordsmen. Repairability has been retconned; used to be a weakness but now a strength.
Gameplay maybe linked to WS for the agility or Ld for veterancy.
Mk3: Mk2 with extra plates. Heavier and slower for forward protection. Never intended to replace Mk2 but instead favoured for specialist roles expecting high resistance like Breachers.
Gameplay is boosted armour but slower
Mk4: Golden age pinnacle armour. The objective best armour from a performance POV but expensive and hard to repair. If you have it, you want it, but you're one bad fight away from losing it and needing to change into worse alternatives.
Gameplay I don't know, it's just the best. Probably costs more.
Mk5: Slapped together in a garage from spare panels and vehicle bits. Not something you want to wear, but something you're given when the techmarines haven't got a proper suit going.
Gameplay is worse but cheaper and easier to repair if you're playing a long campaign. Blackshield Pariah Armour from HH1 is a good basis.
Mk6: Best sensors, good performance and very easy to manufacture and repair. Not as protective as Mk4 but much more practical to equip an army.
Gameplay is some kind of sensor suite.
Of course the mechanical differences would be so small that they can't be reasonably implemented within a D6 scale.
>>96240794You could play the trolls as Ogryns in the Militia list.
>>96240797>MKIIXThat's not how you write 8 in roman numerals. It's VIII.
>>96240705>except the cabling need to be exposedMkII, IV and VI also had exposed cabling to some degree. they're still armoured.
>and that it's made with subpar materials requiring extra layers, hence the bonding studsIt's made with same materials as MkII and III, just using a different design (MkIV style solid plates instead of abutted rings).
>if it was "up to regular standards" yet was cheap, they'd just make thatThey didn't keep MkII, III, nor IV around either after the Heresy, but standardized on MkVI and VII. There's plenty of wartime weapons and equipment that don't see production after the war, yet are perfectly capable items that see active use long after. Sten guns and M3 Grease Guns were cheap weapons produced to fill the need for SMGs and neither saw much production after the war, yet continued in service for decades later.
>>96240895Incredibly based
>>96240750>>96240774Ages ago it was said Mark 1 to 8 spans 5000 years. So MkVIII would be somewhere in M35?
>>96240962I was gonna say m35 but I had no source, just a vague memory
>>96240908Mk2: +1 Initiative
Mk3: heavy and has a 2.5+ armor save. Only saves in a 3+ but requires ap2 to ignore saves.
Mk4: 2.5+ save, no drawback besides points increase on squad
Mk5: 3.5+ save, saving on a 4+ but requiring ap3 to ignore. Discount on squad.
Mk6: light and when reacting, roll 2d6 - on 10+ doesn't use reaction point
>>96238920Dark green is where itโs at homie.
>>96240816orcs have always been far better in fantasy for this reason.
40k orks: ork, squig, nothing
fantasy greenskins: orcs, goblins, trolls, squigs, black orcs, night goblins, wolf riders, spider riders, boar riders, monster spiders, snotlings, wyverns, rock monsters, slave giants
>>96240995>>96240908no one cares about your fanfic bro
>>96238157 (OP)I know melee weapons for tac marines are scuffed, but is it worth taking a combi weapon? Was tempted to chuck some combi disintegrators on my sgts.
>>96240816Yeah it doesn't really make sense that the Orks would just chill out while the Imperium is self-destructing.
>>96241019I see the truth now
I must fix this travesty
>>96240675MK V is easy to repair and maintain using any spare parts you can get.
It was made in times when supply lines were cut off so legions couldn't relly on getting spare parts delivery, they had to come out with something they can repair with spare parts they had, they took from dead or they could produce on site.
While MK V might be worse power armour in preformance, it's cheapest and easiest to repair while still being adequate power armour. It's just good workhorse that will always work because you can repair it with everything.
Best armour marks are IV and VIII, but most 40k chapters can't produce IV, and IV being expensive led to development of MK VI and MK VII, while MK VIII is overall post heresy upgrade of MK VII.
>why would marine *want*Marine isn't there to make a wish, he is sentient weapon of war and will fight in what gear he is provided.
But chapter/legion band might favour MK V because they often operate on fringes or outside of imperial space and have limited resources due not having planet or poor one so they have to field repair their stuff with limited resources constantly, see Carcharodons.
>>96241019Orks have gretchin, snotlings and (had) boar riders.
Does anyone know what book the lore about imperial pattern power armor can be found? I remember seeing a leak of it at some point.
>>96240908>Of course the mechanical differences would be so small that they can't be reasonably implemented within a D6 scale.I hear this a lot and imo if the difference is that small, even in a d20 or d100 system it's still gonna be negligible.
>>96240995The 2.5 and 3.5 save ideas are actually neat, but I think mk3 and mk4 would be waaaaay too good then. I'd be interested to see how different a game would turn out with armour mark rules. Makes me even more motivated to finish my shit up so I can houserule some shit with a compadre
>>96241054The 2.0 core book?
>>96241030i care. i also care about your fanfic. who are your dudes?
>>96240995>Only saves in a 3+ but requires ap2 to ignore saves.That's an interesting mechanic.
>>96239959>At one point the reason lorgar went to chaos is because the emperor taught he was too slow>Fulgrim also went from the imperial cult to chaos, implying the imperial cult was a thing.How do you get like this? How retarded do you have to be to start thinking shit that's stated nowhere in any sourcebooks? Like, this is beyond "not knowing fluff," which is fine, this is "knowing fluff that's WRONG and NOT EVEN REAL"
I don't even see this sort of shit in any other game or fanbase, it's only HH/40k where people start peddling what is basically fanfiction that completely flies against official sources as canon. Who is to blame? Reddit? The wikis? Loretubers? Who the fuck did this?
>>96240995Wrong.
MK 2 basic 3+
MK 3 2+ save rerollable against blast -1M
MK 4 3+ +1M +1I +1WS +1BS price increase 2points per model
MK 5 4+ turns into 5+ against S7 or higher but price decrease 3 points per model
Mk 6 4+ but +3M and +2I
This is objectively correct.
Any idea what the โshieldโ trait does?
>>96241066>>96241076I am pretty sure there was an image of the rapier crew imperial armor with it.
>>96241019A bit of an overreduction but I've never been big into orks and by now I imagine GW has removed every bit of flavour they once had but as far as I remember
>40k orks: orks, a billion variants of squigs, gretchins, gretchins but communists, feral orks, krorks, speed kultists, kommandos, chaos muties, genestealer orksThey also have the klans too to further differentiate them. Iirc RT in the ork fluff bible had other almost non-fighting types of ork subkultures too.
>look at night lords 3.0 rules
>get a WS bonus when charging enemies with status effects
>most status effect inflicting weapons are purely anti-infantry and kind of dogshit against marines aside from maybe flamers
This just incentivizes NL players to bring zero AT/anti-MEQ and just spam flamers, rotor cannons, thudd guns and vindicators alongside assault units. Which is pure dogshit
>>96241064With how little ap3 there is in the game, with most traditional marine killers relying on breaching, I think it only really hits power weapons hard. Maybe it'd be balanced if it only worked on ranged attacks.
>>96241042ork warbosses should ride around on a throne on the back of looted Avatars of Khaine and looted Carnifexes. That would be the ultimate drip, more impressive than simply killing the things.
I hear the Drukari already own a Looted-Jaghatai-Khan to use as a foot stool.
>>96241088stormboyz used to be a phase in an orks teenage years where they became a wehrboo marching around in an SS stormcoat to fit in with the other ork teenagers.
>>96241097>With how little ap3 there isThere is more ap3 now in 3.0 then ever bro literally what the fuck are you talking about
>>96241104>oldshit that isn't stated anywhere in the BL novels or the Black Books, aside from the fact that Big E being mad at Lorgar for not conquering planets fast enough still being canon, he just also got mad about the religion bit
>>96241075boy you sure do look stupid
>>96241053Gretchins are just squad of meatshield infantry led by ork, they have no agenda whatsoever, snotlings aren't even in tt outside of ammunition from shoock gun.
Meanwhile in WHF, orcs had normal orc and savage orc boyz with melee, archers, boars and big uns, shamans and warbosses, black orcs as super elite, then there were goblins in 3 flavors(normal, forest night) with basic troops(melle and archers) cav(wolf, spider and squig) artillery in form of spear chuccka or doom diver and big units like arachnarok spider or mangler squig, goblins also had warbossess and shamans with their own lore of magick, snotlings had some presence on TT as unit and also had pump wagon that was special chariot. They also had trolls in 3 flavors and gigant because why not.
You can't even compare whf and 40k greenskins when you could make 100% goblin army with named characters, hq, goblin troops, goblin cav, goblin mages, goblin artillery and even monster while in 40k best grotscan do is single meatshield squad led by ork.
>>96241084You can make shield wall reaction
I see it's burger hours again.
>>96241117We went from "nowhere" to "old stuff"
Making progress anon, slow and steady
>>96241117>aside from the fact that Big E being mad at Lorgar for not conquering planets fast enough still being canon, he just also got mad about the religion bitIt's more that big E got annoyed at Lorgar and the Word Bearers worshipping him, but tolerated it for a little while because they were marines. Then when he noticed that after a hundred years the fuckers had conquered way less worlds than even smaller legions he got assmad, went "fuck, they're spreading their religious autism to other worlds" and made an example of them
>>96241117Blighfags are cringe
>>96241182Can't write BLIGHT without BL, IMARIT LAD??
>>96241167>gahhhh, fuckers won't conquer fast enough and aren't fedora tipping hard enough, better have Guilliman rape them>ah, seems that fixed things, they've become one of the most productive legions ever since. Another W for me!fast forward to the Horus Heresy
>AH FUCK THE SHITLOAD OF WORLDS CONQUERED BY THE WORD BEARERS AFTER MONARCHIA HAVE ALL PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO THE WARMASTER AND ARE OPENLY WORSHIPPING CHAOS!!
>>96241125There have been multiple gretchins uprisings post gorkamorka that have formed up into the gretchin-led "Gretchin Revolutionary Committee". Is this still canon? Once in a while stuff about the red gobbo still pops up in the warcom site and he's meant to be their leader.
>>96238691It's ran in the context of the game and I didn't even make the template.
>>96241117You seem to misunderstand the hierarchy of HH kino. It goes as follows:
>Rick Priestley>Alan Bligh>BL novelsAnd then there's the secondary hierarchy of kino for the BL novels:
>Dan Abnett>Chris Wraight>John French/ADB (they were friends of Bligh)>everyone else
>>96240521Iโm building mine in a mix of primarily Mk III and Mk VI, but Iโm using Mk II guys as a vet squad, and will be using some old Mk III helmets on the new breachers to make them Immortals. I figure a mix of armor marks makes sense with Clan Morragul just rampaging around traitor backlines disrupting supplies and stealing shit.
>>96241117>anon wonders when the Imperial Truth became a thing because it wasn't around in old fluff>anon gets mad that someone even acknowledges fluff existed before BL seriesPlease don't take your meds and just kill yourself. Preferably by cop so I can watch the bodycam footage later. Be sure to scream about Lorgar while you do it, so we can identify you.
>>96241229>Dan Abnett over Chris Wraight or anywhere near the topAbnett is literally the inventor of the worst comic slop shit in HH, there is no man who has done more damage to it
>>96241216Red Gobbo is just a mascot, something that GW remember exists when they have to release christmas model but rebel grots aren't referenced outside of gorkamorka and never mentioned in any codex. Red Gobbo got some novellas to go with christmas miniature.
So to answer your question, no.
>>96241229>Dan Abnett>best known for creating his own abnettverse and ignoring wider 40k>same Abnett that gave us perpetuals, erda, cabal and other bullshit>literally marvelslop author>somehow on top
I simply think western writers are just incapable of writing anything other than slop, and thats okay. So horus heresy isnt that bad really.
>>96241229not a single BL writer has ever been good at writing. They just write 40 books so 1 or 2 has tiny good chunks, but the 99% of what they write is complete trash.
>>96241267>not posting full tweet
>>96241264>but rebel grots aren't referenced outside of gorkamorkaThey get mentioned in some BL slop audiobook but after what GW did to everything I'm glad they didn't touch them.
>>96241276I believe one should strive to reach excellence, taking comfort in other's mediocrity irks me.
>>96241283>>96241267"I HECKIN WUV BASEDENCE"
this is who's writing your "superior" lore /hhg/
What would be the best style of militia to ally to Iron Hands? Early Imperial Cult ragamuffins in sackcloth robes and stub guns for contrast with IH tech/cybernetics? Mindless combat servitors made from captured traitor Auxilia? Something else?
>>96240521Mixing in Mk II, III, & IV for elites would be kino
>>96240376There's no relativism whatsoever. Both the authorial intent and many characters in the setting plainly say that religion in 40k is fucked up and a lesser evil at best.
>Guess which one he is.Both. A talented smartass responsible for many good things but also guilty of not knowing when to stop.
>>96241309Technobarbarians that err more on the side of cultism and esoterism.
>>96240521>Which armour mark is most associated with Iron HandsIH are shown in all armour marks, they had no stated preference.
But in HH1-2 their unique minis all used Mk3, and in HH3 the new mk2 with techmarine torsos and bolters with scopes was obviosly designed for them.
>>96241309Are we talking fluffwise?
Troops modified with cybernetics, one that would follow orders without questions, that could take lasbolt to chest and still walk straight and showed no fear.
Or just straight up Mechanicum.
They would hate retards in rags because they hated weak troops, imperial army troops hated IH for using them as meatshields and IH hated imperial army for dying like a bitches instead of holding position, so IH went with heavy agumented auxillia and mechanicum troops instead.
>>96241321That would actually be neat. Like a melee horde based off Cultist or Jackal modles from 40k, but with all the chaos shit removed. I havenโt looked at AoS in a long time, but I imagine thereโs something that could work there too. Something like old Fantasy marauders with pistols lol.
>>96241309I think they would chew through militia allies pretty fast, to the point where most professional forces would avoid them as much as possible.
Something like a penal force would make sense and fit how they use them mostly as fodder anyway.
>>96241337Semi-fluffwise. Iโm thinking of my guys as elements of Clan Morragul that donโt really have access to the quality of Auxilia theyโd like, but might still need to utilize โmortalโ troops for one reason or another.
>>96241267Disgusting traitor.
>>96241309None, by the time the Iron hands have engaged the enemy any mortal forces would've fallen behind or died long ago
Assessing each Legion's playerbase, in legion numerical order
>Dark Angels
Loreheads, but some are recovering 40kiddies who liked the Lion's 40k model and wanted to play his 30k faction.
>Emperor's Children
Either guys who know their shit and will blabber at you about how Phoenicians were cool, or trannies.
>Iron Warriors
Pissed off 40k chaos players who are mad that 3.5 isn't around anymore. Usually have tank and/or artillery autism
>White Scars
The most based fucking hobbyists you will ever meet. They will lovingly convert an entire army of jetbike riding Mongol marines, and then GW will put that entire army in the Legacies PDF.
>Space Wolves
Furries and norse larpers. Fags.
>Imperial Fists
Superfags who worship authority and powergamers. Always autistic. May own joytoys and funkos. Valrak is their totem animal.
>Night Lords
TRANNIES. THEY'RE ALL FUCKING TRANNIES WHO WANT TO GET RAPED BY NOSFERATU.
>Blood Angels
Fags who won't shut the fuck up about their "beloved hawkboy" mixed with grogs who started with 2nd edition and never stopped playing blood angels.
>Iron Hands
Treadheads. Won't shut the fuck up about tanks. Pretty cool otherwise though
>World Eaters
Do push-ups while playing, scream "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD," will sacrifice their entire army by mindlessly running their converted despoiler horde towards your board edge.
>Ultramarines
They really, really, really like Know No Fear. They really fucking like that book. They will never shut the fuck up about that book. May start quoting the book at random points during a game, most notably with "Thereotical, Practical" shit.
>Death Guard
Unlike night lord trannies, these are proper edgelords who won't shut the fuck up about "warcrimes."
>Thousand Sons
Powergamers and loreheads.
>Sons of Horus
"Hi, I'm normal. How's the weather today?"
>Word Bearers
Ruinstorm Daemon players who decided to pick up a few marines.
>Salamanders
Fags. Actual cocksucking fags. May ask to suck your cock after the game.
>>96241340A penal legion isnโt a bad idea. Just guys used as targets to triangulate enemy artillery and expend ammo, seems on-brand for IH.
>>96241349This post was written by an iron warrior fag
>>96241349>continued>Raven GuardMilitary autism fags. Play milsims in their free time, watch military history documentaries, keep up with whatever bullshit the military is up to this week. Will never, ever actually join the military though.
>Alpha LegionSurprisingly chill. They'll laugh and smile when you make Alpharius jokes, but behind their eyes you can see murderous rage.
>BlackshieldsGigachads. All I can say.
>>96238157 (OP)>Think Aquitor Bombard seems cool>ยฃ120 from FWFucking kek what?! Fuck that then what a joke
>>96241349>Superfags who worship authority and powergamers. Always autistic. May own joytoys and funkos. Valrak is their totem animal.Perturabo's hands typed this post
>>96241344Tech-thralls. Or if really starved for resources penial legion with discipline collars.
Iron Hands treated their mortal auxillia in simlar fashion to Iron Warriors, with key diference being that IH wanted auxillia to actually do their job instead of being just nice big number to show to Perturabo on casualties report and maybe to have enemy run out of ammo.
>Painting up 40 Death Guard tactical marines for a new army project.
>30 tacticals finished and painted.
>Realize I could have thrown in some random bits from different armour mk's for a more civil war feel.
It's not the end of the world but apart from the random variance of arms and helmets they do look pretty samey. Hoping it won't matter as much on the tabletop.
Waiting for a DG transfer sheet to arrive in the mail so I can give these lads that little extra something. Should I bother doing any vexillas or nuncio voxes for them?
>>96241379Iโm warming to this penal legion idea. I remember Victoria minis had penal legions for a while, Iโm pretty sure WGA does now too.
>>96241363>continued, to account for non-legions>MechanicumCool guys, probably watch retro scifi movies in their free time. Nothing much to say about them.
>Solar AuxiliaAlan Bligh fanboys and Imperial Guard fags from 40k. Will not shut up about humans being "the real heroes" of both HH and 40k
>Imperial MilitiaGuardfags, but they're okay because they usually have an entire army converted from third party bits. Never actually play games.
>Ruinstorm DaemonsTheir entire army is converted from third party bits like the militia players, but they actually play. Will seethe about their 2.0 treatment
>Talons of the EmperorPOWERGAMERS. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM CUSTODEFAGS. SHUN CUSTODEFAGS. BAN CUSTODEFAGS FROM YOUR PLAYGROUP
>>96241386Bro how do you paint so many at once? If I try painting more than 5, perhaps 10 dudes at a time I get tired so easily.
>>96241117>When was OldFluff replaced by NewFluff?>OldFluff is a lie, it never existed>That posted OldFluff doesn't count because it's Old!I don't know what argument you're having in your head, anon, but I'm not sure you're even winning that one.
>>96241075You're right and
>>96241104 is wrong.
The same out of context pro-religion cope from 2nd ed. has been posted many times as false "proof" of the Imperium being religious at first, but later retconned by muh bad BL writers.
In reality religion was always something backwards and another example of the decadence of the Imperium. As 2nd ed. plainly states elsewhere.
It cannot be any other way, becayuse this setting is a direct decendant of Gibbon's Fall of the Roman Empire, Asimov's Foundation, and Herbert's Dune.
>>96241229>forgetting Bill King>forgetting Alan Merret>muh Rick Priestley when he basically contributed nothing to the HH besides the initial idea>muh Alan Bligh when it was John French who wrote most of the fluff in the Isstvan Trilogy and other Black Books.
>>96241449If you're gonna waste your time saying something is wrong, at least have it be wrong.
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>>96241449How about you try to construct less of a strawman next time? Nobody has said anything about them being pro-religion. Just that worship of the Emperor as a god existed and the Emperor didn't outright try to purge it and punish Lorgar for spreading it. That's all BL invention.
>>96241267>>96241283No real western man would seethe at this, it's mild cringe at worst, and it's more about Dawkins having become a parody of himself over the years.
Imagine shitposting for 15 years about a clumsy short tale, and not about its actual flaws, but about the Emperor saying that religion is bad. When that was something that was neither invented by McNeill, not out of character at all.
Man, the mid 2010s with all the retarded chriscucks, tradfags, election tourists, and subhumans discovering the internet has been a bligh for this site.
>>96241408Each model takes half the time of models I usually paint. I'm used to edge highlighting Imperial Guard and doing them in batches, the way I'm painting these lads is extremely fast and simple in comparison.
40 tactical marines is just the price of admission before I can start painting the other fun stuff. You gotta eat your veggies before you can have your dessert.
>>96241555I too like to be mad about people I made up in my head
>>96241516>the more regressive planets>primitive peoples>fanciful descriptionshow many levels of cope you have to be to deny the obvious characterization of worshippping divinities as bad?
Visions of Heresy simply fleshed out what already there, and no sci-fi fan would have understood it differently, because that was the standard.
>>96241555You know what's cringe?
Writing like this while also pretending to be different people talking about the same subject and agreeing with each other.
Very cringe.
>>96241586>projectionJust because you shill and samefag all the time doesn't mean other people does it too.
>>96241585nta but do you often have trouble reading?
>Nobody has said anything about them being pro-religion>How many levels of cope you have to be to deny the obvious characterization of worshippping divinities as bad?Are you so mad that you forgot how to read?
Can't believe mere combi-bolters are the best Veteran Tacticals' weapon
>>96241555>religion is . . . LE BAD!>but I'm okay with the Mechanicum worshiping me as a living god lolBut yeah we must defend nu-Western Materialism from the deadly waves of slowly declining White Christians and not the increasing numbers of Brown Fundamentalists and Pagans
>>96241614>moving the goalpostsI'm not fooled by you playing semantics, shill
You're trying to portray the Emperor's anti-religion stance as something illegitimate, added by lesser/bad writers outside the "original creators".
In reality it was there since the start, since it made perfet sense given the roots and the themes of 40k. Alan Merret (GW member since the early 80s) and Abnett simply fleshed it out in the HH series.
The real irony, and what makes idiots like you even more retarded, is that at the same time they planned to show the early imperial Cult in a omewhat positive way in a parallel of the genre about early christians in Rome. And McNeill was the one to begin showing it in False Gods. A book that apparenty all the morons seething about the Last Church have not read
>>96241707I'd say you moved the goalposts, but the truth is you failed to read and derailed from there.
>>96238157 (OP)Hobby question regarding tactical marines
How do you make your tactical unique and different? Iโm looking at having a ton of them in my army but Iโm at a loss as to how I make them stand out with bits etc
Where should I put a Siege Breaker?
>HSS
Good guns that benefit from his Cognis...but frail and can't melee, so the SB can't use his hammer
>Command & Control
Their purpose is to just stand there trying to farm one reaction... meaning they can't fight at all
>Veteran Tacticals
Despite being hardy, they can't really fight, and most of their shooting is single-user combis anyways. Or storm bolters
>Cataphractii
Same shooting (combis). They can fight, but they won't be using that cognis much
Where should I put the Siege Breaker?
Worst of all, he unlocks NONE of the previous units: he gives you up to two Rapiers only and two Arquitors-Vindicators only.
>>96241794scatter around legion upgrade kits and ccw/melee weapons depending on your legion
>>96241802Oh, Centurion command ofc. They are hardy, can fight and shoot somewhat. Yeee
>>96241794Depends on what legion and how much work you want to do.
Extra bonding studs, sculpted flayed skin or oaths of moment, bionics, unique paint schemes to show which secret order/wing/lodge/cult/subcult this guy is part of, etc.
>>96241802>Worst of all, he unlocks NONE of the previous units: he gives you up to two Rapiers only and two Arquitors-Vindicators only.Wait are centurions the only ones that can unlock any detachment? Every other commander only unlocks their specific detachment?
>>96241794You don't. The whole point of marines in the HH is that they're mass produced legionaries. At most, make the sergeants more noticeable and add a squad number to tell each one apart.
>>96241802I've not played HH3 yet, but the online consensus seem to pair him with short range Rapiers (so he has something to do with his hammer)
Almost forgot todays Tiny picture, okay progress, hopefully able to finish a couple of bases of infantry today
>>96240503I have trust issues. Every personal experience I've had with someone saying "let's play by home rules", in any TTG, the rules were more busted or designed to dunk on new players.
>>96241856It's a shame that the infantry kits are so ass, LI scale and modelss should be the perfect way to play big HH battles.
>>96238157 (OP)So Iโve chosen my traitor legion as Death Guard, help me choose my Loyalist.
Iron Hands or Ultramarines? I havenโt got to ultramarine section of the books yet but Iโve heard itโs pretty cool. But I also like the idea of a rag tag bunch of iron hands just trying to survive
>>96241883They are fine for the scale, not had any real problems with them. And you dont see any of the stuff unless looking really close
Space wolves characters can upgrade their power weapons to frost weapons for a points cost, but the praetor is just armed with a bolter as his base equipment. This means I'd have to pay for the power weapon and then the upgrade to replace it, right?
>>96241757>failedAnon, please, it should be pretty obvious if someone ignores what's being said and keeps arguing over things that nobody said, that they're just fishing for (You)s and jerking off to getting told they're wrong.
>>96241905>This means I'd have to pay for the power weapon and then the upgrade to replace it, right?Yes, as always.
>>96241802Updooted for Shitturdnine
>>96241845Oooh. I've never used rapiers before. Will be interesting
>>96241832I mean he does unlock any one aux detachment, true. I just meant it in like, the guy wouldn't join any of the units he unlocks. But I guess he would join a Rapier unit, after all?
>>96241866That is exactly why home rules never work. They're always made by people who love abusing every shred of power they get to fuck over other people.
>>96241802The Siege Breaker doesn't have to be joined to the unit that gains the benefit of the Cognis Signum. You can stick him in a centurion command squad equipped for melee, zoom up the board in a Rhino, and have him point at one unit to have some arquitors in the back gain pin-point accuracy.
Just making sure you know.
Finally built the worlds most scuffed rapier laser destroyers. Might be able to clean them up a little but theyre just going to look like ass, thats something ive accepted at this point.
Should I get the new laser rapiers for the 2nd unit? or source some more of the old ones for the lasers and use the new ones for bolter rapiers?
>>96242080Why are their helmet crests all cockeyed?
>>96242103Because thats how they came in the little bag.
Its the same reason every track underside didnt attack properly, why every rapier gun platform has a fucked up top (where the laser destroyer power bank is) and why every single aiming armature is also messed up in the same way.
The mold sucked and I lacked the skill, will and knowledge to fix it.
>>96242080These are horrifying, what the hell anon. Did you try to get send replacements?
Master of Signals and the first of his nerd augury squad
>>96242080Who casted these?
>>96241125I mean, you're not wrong, but Orks have and had a lot of flavour too. Several mounts (boars, bikes, buggies), tanks. warmachines, artillery, planes, the Klanz, Ogryns, Madboys, looted vehicles, an Ork Dreadnought, a Gretchin Dreadnought, a bunch of Freebooterz (from mere pirates to Stormboys of Khorne, Ork-Genestealer broods, Ork Mutants, Mad Docs with Orks with squig brains, Gretchin brigands, humans, enhanced gretchin and snotlings and possessed Warpheads), gretchin tanks etc.
Sure, WHFB had several types of Goblins (and Night Goblins are the best) and some non-greenskin stuff like trolls, ogers, giants and monsters (like most WHFB armies), but while the Orks are the dominant part in 40k, the army wasn't bland.
>>96239814It's mechanically bad, but fluff wise that gambit + the general WS gambit are how he beats Mortarion in Warhawk. So at least it's flavorful.
>>96242132I-IS THAT A 40K AUSPEX?!?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME BLIGH-MAN I'M GOING INSANE
>>96242131No, although I probably should/could have. By now the chance has clearly passed.
>>96242136Some chinese dude with a terrible website. I had some good results with him previously but this was an atrocious batch and I dont think ill be coming back. Between this and getting the wrong sort of raptor helmets (40k ones instead of NL raptor heads) - and his bad response to it ("oh, sorry, ill send some correct ones next time you buy something") im sticking with better sources in future.
>>96242132Where did you get that hand holding the scammer/
>>96242150Auspex are older than you are and I will not tolerate you disrespecting them.
>>96242162>Where did you get that hand holding the scammerscout marine
>>96242132>Watching anti Imperium conspiracy videos whilst letting his orderly do all the work.
>>96242132>>96242150>Varlets, pull out the magic box
THIS QUIET OFFENDS SLAANESH.
>>96242272>play against traitor Emperor's Children player>he plays his noise marine dubstep playlist the entire game and spouts dawn of war lines the entire timeThere's a reason most players hate you.
>>96242272https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppm5_AGtbTo&pp=ygUNQ2hpY2tlbiB5b2RlbA%3D%3D
>>96242272Is the remake out yet?
nuMk3 with numk2 helmets looks surprisingly decent. Maybe that's the way to redeem these shit designs, mmmh
>>96242078>The Siege Breaker doesn't have to be joined to the unit that gains the benefit of the Cognis SignumOh i guess I meant to say Augury scanner whoops. But yeah, Centurion command
>>96242315I don't like that this Traitor color scheme is spreading, I think it's pretty lame and too close to Mor's boys.
>>96242291>what the iron hands heard when they encountered kakophoni on Isstvan V
>>96242322Yeah, but that's the shitty HH2/3 attempts to imitate HH1 for you
They're missing every change to unfuck their mistakes and adding more
>>96242281Sounds based to me
>>96242281>least powerful traitor EC player
I like the challenge minigame
it makes generic power weapons actually decent in a fight
>>96241094>terror squad pins down enemies with rotor cannons>night raptors charge with ws6 and KILL THEM.>use support squad slots and dreadnoughts for actual AT firepower>vindicator cannon can be used to wombo combo with night raptors or as backup ATI see no problems with this.
>>96241094You dont care about your legion trait vs vehicles anyways, so I really dont see your point.
>This just incentivizes NL players to bring zero ATHow? Their legion trait does nothing regarding tanks, so you still want the exact same amount of AT you had before.
>anti-MEQYea, your anti MEQ/TEQ is now your melee units. Dont need to kill terminators dead when you have WS+1 thunder hammers.
>vindicatorsAre AT, either variant of them. You are also not taking the vindicator for the status effect are you fucking retarded? Your best status applications are things like seekers, rapier batteries (gravis bolters, grav or phosphex), combi gravs, havoc launchers and so on.
>which is pure dogshitHow? It doesent seem weak at all.
>>96242132He looks so good for a guy who's basically only got a phone and a pistol
>>96242399>dreadnoughts>actual AT firepowerGood laugh.
>>96241094If your reaction to this statline was "clearly this is something you only take for that stun(1)" then im sorry but theres no helping you. The stupid is terminal and you should seek a way out. A havoc launcher (a pintle weapon any tank or dread can take) is stun(1) at a longer range.
Status effects are not rare in 3.0, they are not the niche providence of weapons that have no legitimate use beyond their ability to CC things. The vindicators stun(1) isnt the reason you take the gun, it is a secondary benefit relative to its strength 12 damage 6 shot that has a chance to one-tap dreadnoughts. The fellblades accelerator autocannon has stun(2), is that now also a CC tool?
All grav weapons pin, all phosphex panics (and really well at that), suppressive weapons are common and found on cheap bodies with a solid damage output even besides that.
What's the point of the Land Raider Explorator? Any reason to take one over a Proteus?
>>96242532It outflanks and is in a different slot?
If you just want a transport for a squad of melee troops its worse. But if you want to say, drop some melta dudes behind enemy lines or use a detachments recon slots?
>>96242532>45 points cheaper>2" faster>OutflankIf you don't mind disordered charges it's a straight upgrade over the carrier.
>>96242532alpha legion get a recon prime slot, you can make your Land Raider Explorator daemon-possessed using Malefic and 100% immune to S8 weapons.
>>96242532I love how they keep making the OG Proteus less and less relevant.
>>96241802Breachers, the answer is always breachers. Hes heavy as well, shield just needs majority. Dump him out with lascutter breachers from a rhino and go to town. He has phosphex bombs and a TH. Cant go wrong.
>>96242132Where's the forearm scanner from?
>>96241802If you dont know where to put a commander? command squads are always good.
>>96242586The primaris recon guys
>>96242638>>96242586specifically the kill team version, which has extra stuff
>>96242132I find masters of signals fascinating because I believe they are the least armed HQ unit in the game.
They get a bolt pistol, frags, krak grenades and can swap their bolt pistol for a plasma pistol or a serpenta.
That's it.
Blood Angels can swap their plasma for an inferno pistol, which is neat, but afaik there's no clever way to somehow give him a melee weapon or a non-pistol gun. He's just a dude standing around on his batphone.
And despite that, he's easily one of the best consuls in the entire game. Just a lovely HQ unit with both flavor and legit in game use.
>>96242690Honestly its cool. Theyre an incredibly powerful unit, but theyre also defenseless. Its like the command and control squad.
I know people are attached to their character loadouts, but this is why I like some of the restricted loadouts.
>>96242336>that's the shitty HH2/3 attempts to imitate HH1 for youMeaning?
Abaddon and his justaerins
Use the deep strike or roll up in a land raider?
>>96242002>still beakies You can do better.
>>96242786Doesn't seem to be a reason for deep strike now that transports provide so much extra movement.
>>96242737Throw a techmarine into that squad for the ultimate backline support squad all using the MoSโs 10 INT
>>96242492I bought an Age of Darkness box, so that's what I did with it in 2.0. Melta squads seem way too risky, and I don't want to buy 3 vindicator laser destroyers just to have a list that isn't complete shit
>>96242834you could've converted the spartan into a cerberus with some 3d printed bits and be set for AT
you know sometimes I feel a bit sad in collecting alpha legion
sure they can be "any colour" but theres no canon variant schemes of traitor/loyalist AL like with the iron hands posted above
>>96242786melee almost never DS in HH3. You lose turn 1. You lose turn 2 because no charging allowed. That instantly means you're paying super points for at most 2 turns with a unit.
And justaerin/abaddon can't possibly earn their cost that way.
With transport you're at least attempting to put any pressure at all on opponent and to get 3-4 turns of value instead of 2.
If they don't DS, they at least have threat value on turn 1-2, as opponent has to worry about their move+charge range. They likely wont earn their cost back, but maybe they drive the enemy away from objectives and force them to use reaction points early on reposition moves. If I don't need to waste any reactions until turn 3 and can win all 3 objectives because abaddon is stupidly off-board, then even if I run away from abaddon later, the SoH player is already on catch-up duty so not only has his fighting ability been handicapped but he'll be lucky if he even bounces back to even on VP later.
>>96242834In 2,0 the best AT for NL was the laser destroyer team, since you were limited to only one heavy slot and couldnt just spam lascannon HSS like everyone else. Theyre still good now.
how in depth does the whole night lords being pirates thing go insofar as them actively using/wearing weapons/armor from other legions for example? what is the cutoff before like a praetor converted with some amount of BL gear over his own shit for example before it just looks like you bought the wrong shit on purpose or is it a matter of just how much you compensate with in-legion aesthetics and painting?
>>96242834>melta squads are too riskyA ten man tactical support squad with meltas is 230 points. A rhino is 60. For less than 300 points you have a unit that can annihilate any vehicle in the game. At worst, it's a distraction carnifex, and at best it'll win you the game
>>96242860at worst, the enemy simply screens the rhino approach routes so it never scares any vehicle in game (you can't shoot away screens as you have to drive before the shooting phase happens) and his turn 1 he pops the rhino far away from any vehicles and you have footsloggers that achieve absolutely nothing the entire game.
Melta sometimes works, it's not anything even vaguely like the retard shit you're posting.
>>96242873I think one of the better uses for cheapish melta squads is rapier hunting
>>96242860Counterpoint: A squad of atramentar terminators with combi meltas can do basically the same thing, except they can do combat too and wont die to a stiff breeze.
Deep strike in, combi-melta a tank to death, kill things in melee with your I-1 hammers.
>>96242898Where the fuck would you get the combi-meltas and hammers? GW doesn't sell those in packs of 10
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>shoot a krios at some rapiers after they've reacted
>it just vaporizes all the carriers bc of shred
>opponent just has 6 random dudes now
how customizable is the crew in the plastic rapier kit? and the various parts they can equip etc
I think they could be cool as a base for some recon marines/seekers, but dont want to have different arms on some guys for boltguns etc
maybe use MK2 tank crew parts for arms?
>>96242860Unless your opponent is a retard taking a 1k point Spartan death star (and even then if they pop smokescreen it's extremely unlikely they 1 turn it) 10 melta TSS is going to kill 1 vehicle worth max 300-350 and then die
>>96242910Why are you taking ten???
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>>96242970Age of darkness box.
>>96242984Ah. Shit like this is why the AoD box was such a shit box: Instead of making a starter box filled with things that every list needs, they shoved a fucking ten-man cataphractii Spartan deathstar into it.
>>96242847What do you mean justaerins won't earn their cost back? They're one of the best units right now
If they can't earn their points back, what will?
>>96242847You can DS turn 1 with the Master of Decent, but he's got to join the unit and it only works on Jump-Pack troops.
>>96242989Should've had a Sicaran and a rhino instead of the Spartan, a set of jetbikes, a small sprue of flamers and a small sprue of missile launchers. That way every new HH player would start off with:
2 generic "praetors" (which can be used as centurions or consuls as well)
30 tacticals
5 man flamer TSS
5 man missile launcher HSS
A rhino
A sicaran
A contemptor dread
3 jetbikes
Seems like a much better starting point than "yeah here's a fucking deathstar"
>>96242910A recaster or 3d printer probably.
>>96242926"I shot a tank at a squad of dudes and they died, how could this happen!"
>>96242898S8 meltas with only 1 shot are a lot less scary than you think. That unit is sickeningly expensive so it has to achieve a lot in 2-3 turns to be worth it (and only gets 1 turn of shooting worth anything)
Atramentar requires a prime retinue slot (you get 1 in apex) and costs a fuckload to not be on the board turn 1.
A 5man doesnt even slightly guarantee a kill on heavy tanks.
If we bring 12 that's 500 before gear, 620 for one-shot meltas that can never be fired again and leave their bolters shooting 50% less than normal terminators, and if you give like 5 powerfists to stay less bonkers that's 695 points.
A single kratos for 365 points with 14/14/14 and 10 hull points that can be repaired suffers an average 8.1 hulll points from the 12 combi-meltas that can never be fired again, it loses all 10 and dies only 39.39% of the time from your 695 point unit. It really would pop smokescreen for 5+ FNP and the combi-meltas only do 5.4 hull points of its 10 and it dies only 17.7% of the time.)
So you do half of a 280-365 point tank with your 12x combimeltas that can never be used again. That's like 150 points of shooting and you only had to spend 700 points to do it.
Sure, he has a block of 7 poweraxe + 5 powerfist eventually very slowly walking around his board hoping to charge something on turn 3 or turn 4 to finally get to use its WS5, but that's not gonna justify 700 points cost.
While those atramentar were off the board, enemy's points were on the board. Stuff like 2 Kratos + 1 Vindicator instead of your missing terminators, firing their Dmg16 meltas with 24" melta range and 8 steady Dmg2 lascannons while moving between the kratos and 2 autocannons.
Expensive DS deathstars are incredibly limited, particularly combi-melta ones because 700 points off-board just screams "hey take 300-400 points of infantry and screen the back/sides of any tanks from the horrible 6" melta range and you win the game"
>>96243001>They're one of the best units right nowTheyre also one of the most expensive. A kitted out one is 60pts+. A squad of ten plus first captain abaddon is a lot of points and investment. And theyre also quite slow, given theyre heavy. They might be one of the strongest fighting units outside of the custodes list, but theyre not "one of the best units", that power is unwieldy and slow, it needs to find a good target to justify itself.
>>96243055>>Atramentar requires a prime retinue slotYou can also atramentar regular terminators.
>>96243001Theyโre so expensive that itโs very difficult to actually find a unit as expensive as them that they can kill efficiently enough to earn their points back
Vanguard (4) is cool but justaerin literally cost twice what a basic bitch terminator does, add Abaddon and a Spartan on top of that and they need to be going into primarch deathstars to even come close to earning their points back.
>>96242970if you take just 5x BS4 combimeltas and shoot a landraider 1" away, he pops smoke laughing at them, you do 2 hull points average and kill it less than 3% of the time. If he doesnt pop smoke, 3 hull points total and 10% death.
Combi-melta are no longer just tap a tank and it disappears. It takes very serious investment.
>>96243059oh yeah I was looking in the core detachments not the NL-specific one. The prime slot isn't the problem with them, it's the points cost. If you take combi-melta + WS4/BS4 regular terminators, they still have the same bad numbers against tanks, but now the enemy absolutely buttfucks them if they have any WS5 units on that side of the board.
Am I missing out on anything if I sell all my Krios as I prefer Thanatars aesthetically? Not a fan of the stupid trumpet look, and the venator looks a bit chodey. Irrad looks the coolest but got completely kneecapped this ed.
>>96243001>If they can't earn their points back, what will?A unit with half their combat power that comes in at half the cost and has over twice the mobility, meaning it has a chance to influence the battle before turn 3?
Vanguard vets with claws are 32pts, theyre not nearly as good as justaerin, theyre also going to die to shooting. But they ALSO have move 12" vs move 6, can setup move and run, and will still beat most things in the game (that arent themselves combat monsters) fairly handily.
Justaerin are the best unit in the game if you want to feel your PP is big and that your spartan terminator deathstar beat up his spartan terminator deathstar. Theyll beat every terminator unit that isnt an EC command retinue/NL atramentar jumping them with thunder hammers. But theyre not actually that good for winning games.
Abbadon is the strongest non-primarch/lord of war fighter in the game (well, maybe scoria?) but hes also like 300pts.
>>96243088>If you take combi-melta + WS4/BS4 regular terminators, they still have the same bad numbers against tanksThey dont. You teleport in 5" from someones rear armor and do an average of 2/3*5/6*6 (3 and a bit) HP per shot.
>>96243059You are aware there's other ways to run justaerins than max unit size all with hammers in a Spartan right?
>>96243092Thanatars are still good, so "not really"? Theyre more expensive than krios (and do different things), but theyll still work as units.
>>96243111A sicaran or glaive is 12 rear. A Kratos or Landraider is 14 rear. A Cerberus or Typhon is 13 rear. Suddenly instead of wounding on 2+ your single use meltas wound on 6+ against 14, on only 5+ against cerb/typhon, or 4+ on sicaran/glaive, and that's IF they're polite enough not to screen the rear of the tank.
Your numbers are assuming every tank in game is armor 10, which... since they arent even close to correct, make you a fucking moron.
>>96243092They do kind of different things, but thanatars are pretty sweet. Krios seems really good in 3.0.
>>96243111If they teleport 5" away, why not just charge it with chainfists?
>>96243143*and they'll pop smokescreen anytime some tard brought meltas and gets in their rear facing, to instantly change a 5man melta squad into a 3man melta squad and survive.
>>96243117Which is probably the way to go with them, they're strong enough in a 5 man to get some real work done without an attached character.
My issue with 10 justaerin + Abaddon as a deathstar is that it's so expensive you might as well just do 10 justaerin + Horus and make it ACTUALLY unkillable in a melee fight.
>>96243014The fact is that someone like you puts like ten times as much thought into these things than the dumbasses responsible for these decisions.
>>96243143If youre trying to pop a super-heavy with 5 dudes and crying that you arent getting fantastic results, youre a fucking retard. And guess what, even there its like 10HP on average (or in other words: more than enough to kill a sicaran, which is already a big chunk of the terminator units points back)
Yea, no shit youre not going to kill a land raider or spartan with meltaguns, meltaguns dont kill land raiders and spartans this edition. Try using your meltaguns (that you get to drop in anywhere on the map) against a better target. Go kill a leman russ or vindicator or predator or sicaran or krios or whatever instead. Hell, you can take a big chunk out of a knight with that firepower.
>>96243157Because you cant charge from deep strike (un?)fortunately
>>962431635 justaerin with Abaddon and 2-3 hammers
All in a land raider carrier
How ass are veteran breachers going to be?
>>96243014>taps headif you give them a rhino instead of a spartan, the new suckers won't spend $280 on 10 forgeworld legion-specific terminators to put inside of said spartan to justify owning it.
>>96242989>Instead of making a starter box filled with things that every list needs, they shoved a fucking ten-man cataphractii Spartan deathstar into it.Half the lists in 2e ran a spartan deathstar.
>>96243184Because the starter set came with it, not because it was particularly good.
>>96243178That WB breacher was always unreasonably cool.
>>96242132Man, I really like the body of the MK2 Centurion.
He looks very easy to swap weapons on and add bits to in order to make some custom consuls.
However, he doesn't look like he can be posed at all, so more than one will look way too similar.
>>96243176>>96243174>>96243164>>96243163>>96243158I feel like the correct answer here is 4 Rapiers with Phosphex Canister shot trolling the central objective point all game, maybe with Vanguard as well if you take the Master of Signals and they try to throw Tacticals on it.
>>96243210Since plastic breachers are coming and my old WB army ( LotSS drop spam ) died Iโm thinking about converting my tacs into breachers like Legionary Shadilay over there
>>96243193People run it because its the kind of dumb playstyle people liked to play with. People didnt run cenobium death-bricks and primarch deathstars worth half their list because GW tricked them, they did it because its the kind of dumb timmy nonsense which intuitively appeals to people.
>>96243242Vanguard only scores points for ranged units if you wipe the enemy out. Its in melee where you get points for making someone fall back.
3.0 needs to have more EC campaigns. The black books and novels really didn't let them see much action post Isstvan.
>>96243178This might be a gigaunpopular opinion and I realize it's far from the intention GW had when making them but I quite like that instead of a generic "veteran" squad we now have veteran versions of certain squads that get more advanced wargear options.
>>96243155Do they really have that much of an effective difference? Both calix and venator are AT, cavas and krios are anti infantry. Slight differences in AP/S
>>96243263I'd love a veteran breacher squad/heavy support squad
>>96243266Sorry my brain read Krios as Kratos.
Yes thanatars seem better than Krios for a lot of roles.
>>96243178No idea. If theyre just tactical vets with 5++ and some changed weapons options? Might actually be quite good. A decently durable line unit with slightly better shooting power. Shields make them more durable vs all the D2 weapons that normally bully veterans like missile launchers and shit, and with shieldwall they can also shrug off small arms fire.
They might also just be like mortalis destroyers to the regular destroyers, meaning a variant with different equipment.
>>96243250Yeah. But you know what scores no points at all? Units with routed, and getting dunked on by four 3" plates from a Rapier squad hidden behind a hill with Poison 3+, Breaching 5+ and Panic (3) seems like a pretty good way of putting that onto a unit.
Sure, most of the time there are better things for the Master of Signals to put Line or Vanguard (1) onto, but every so often, it will be worth it.
Like. Forget getting points with Vanguard for a minute. The key strategy isn't to score points, it's to stop your opponent scoring points, which status conditions do. If you build heavily into conditions, and just park a single unit of Line (1) onto a 1pt side objective and quitely farm it all game, you'll probably win.
>>96242690>no clever way to somehow give him a melee weapon or a non-pistol gunThousand Sons psychic weapons
>>96243278What the fuck are you on about the krios gun is now way better than the cavas gun and the thanatar's only advantage of having a tougher body was erased by multi-D weapons and it's weapon getting nerfed for Barrage. It's the Tyrant siege Terminator of Mechanicum
>>96243296>just park a single unit of Line (1) onto a 1pt side objective and quitely farm it all game, you'll probably win.Fuck. Did we just find a use for the AL Sabotoeur?
>>96243253>3d printYeah no thanks
>>96243306No idea, I'm a marine player and I wrote that after deleting a big write-up on why the Kratos is a legit take now.
>>96243267We are getting a veteran breacher squad.
>>96243296Just remember to take a Master of Signals and literally any unit in your army can be Line (1)
>>96243317And a veteran heavy support squad.
>>96243319Damocles has that ability too, but it has a worse Int score, so I'm... not really sure what the appeal is.
>>96243309I mean False Colours now does prevent Overwatch and even Volley Fire, and is harder to get rid off. Locking down a 200+ points HSS in close combat with 95 is already quite nasty.
With dreadnoughts being WS 4 and the Saboteur having a meltabomb he can even tie down something like a deredeo and slap it to death over a couple of turns.
>>96243320I'm not sure what that one would even be like. HSS already get all the weapon options.
>>96243327Me neither, especially since you can stick the MoS in an augury squad and suddenly they're doing their gimmick on his INT 10 too.
>>96243335Oops all heavy disintegrators
>>96243335I dont know either. BS5 maybe? Legion agnostic sunkillers/havocs? 2w HSS? who the fuck knows.
>>96243347>kill your unit and their unit in one volley
>>96238157 (OP)POST what youโre working on anons, this is my first go at death guard for my first heresy mini, still have oils and battle damage to go but how does he look now for the green and white?
I'm thinking of building my Kratos with a melta blast-gun, since it seems like a massive upgrade over the other options for anti-armor, and probably not even much worse vs Marine+ infantry. Autocannons where available and heavy bolters for the sponsons also seem pretty good since they're cheap but take advantage of the Kratos being stable. Are there good arguments for other loadouts?
>>96239783>Black Templars in particular seemingly eat very well for 40k.Passionate sculptor syndrome, see also Maxime Pastourel's Death Guard for the prime example of this.
>>96243367I primed my 2 shaternine so I'll start the Thousand Sons one tomorrow
>>96243392The melta blast gun will only kill 8 marines/terminators total during a game, assuming you hit and wound with every single shot and they fail all their saves. It is very effective at killing vehicles and other big models, but pretty much meaningless against everything else. Last game I played against one I just ignored it, because it was impossible for it to kill enough of my infantry to matter.
>>96243392Go with lascannons for maximum AT. Between the blast gun and those you have a good chance to just delete tanks in a single volley.
Without their turtle shells these boys are now a blazing fast 7โ per turn
For contekar, are the volkites or heavy flamers better?
>>96243495Volkite looks cooler
>set up like 11 praetor ebay bids on a bot site on that one guy splitting satty boxes
>over the week lift my price Max up to the point where including shipping its the same as the box from GW
>still only get 1 for 55 bucks with shipping after all is said and done
>do one last check, find out I could've bought the separated praetor on presale for 44 bucks
I should've known not to trust the stock schizos
>>96243460>axe and disintegratorIllegal model or do you know something we don't?
>>96243561I thought it looked cool and am hoping I can do something like that for the command squad.
>>96243515>anon got successfully gaslit into getting scammed by a scalperWho would have guessed the doomers were doing a psy-op for the scalpers all along.
>>96243575I'd let you play it
Really, praetors should have the base satty options too
This surge of Saturnine termis is insulting. They are fucking relics, should be a piece per army max, not a fucking hoard of them + paraetor + dreadnought. Pure shit
>>96243661I think so too, but the melee weapons are so huge compared to an arty guy
>>96243613Nah, doomers were huffing hopium that GW would actually fail (and Warhammer would be freed or something? I don't really understand the logic)
>>96241866I'd say "it's different this time" but I understand it won't help
>>96242066I have the complete opposite experience funny enough
>>96243686>They are fucking relicsNo actually, all these new ones (dreads especially) are brand spanking new, there was a breakthrough with production literally right before the heresy, apparently.
What you are seeing is what you should see, a surge in use following an influx before everyone stops using them because theyre not very good.
>>96243686Someone post the passage on armies of Dreadnoughts again
>>96243711So meta of GW, love to see it
>>96238618Hey man nice shot
>>96243686Bro don't look at the spoiler below
Blackshield Saturnines
are disintegrators on saturnine terminators a dumb idea? building some currently and have zero idea how i should equip them desu. i figure twin plasma bombard makes the most sense tho.
curious if people whove tried them have any thoughts.
>>96243739Theyre good for their job. If thats the job you want your saturnines to do, then theyre a good choice. Theyre bad at other things though.
Disintegrator saturnines are expensive, high risk, and very good at removing enemy terminators and 2+ save troops off the table. If you want to go hunt command squads theyre your man, if you want to kill tacticals? I think you might lose more to friendly fire than you kill in terms of points.
I like how the guns look though.
>>96243739They're very good at killing terminators. And only slightly less effective at killing the saturnine terminators shooting them, lol.
I build a squad with dual disintegrators anyway because they're cool.
>>96243418I think it's just too inefficient vs MEQs to take if that's all you're going to shoot at, no matter which weapon (volkite kills like 3/turn).
(Counterargument: it looks cool.)
>>96243419Sponsons + turrets? Do you need that much firepower for a typical tank? I haven't really done vehicle math.
>>96243367Building the sarge for my first IH squad. Disregard the boxnaught toes, heโs not done yet,
>>96243711>before everyone stops using them because theyre not very good.Yeah I've played two games with my roommate and after 2 games, I don't want to use them anymore. Sad!
>>96243780>it looks coolThat's the most important.
>>96243780>Sponsons + turrets?Yup.
>Do you need that much firepower for a typical tank?Depends on the tank. But you want to be able to if not kill something in one volley then definetly get it in two, and the chip damage from your lascannons will help you make sure that your big D8 cannon only needs to get in once.
Besides, if you split fire you snapshoot.
>>96243739I think double disintegrators are stupid, but disintegrator + photonic incinerator + fist gives them a safe(ish) AP3 template option, a riskier AP2 option and a decent melee option. It keeps them as flexible as a slow fat fuck unit can get instead of pidgeon holing them.
>>96243801>Besides, if you split fire you snapshootNot for Stable tanks or superheavies like the Kratos
>>96243829>>96243778>>96243770preciate the input guys, gives me something to think about
>>96243367Working on a Siege Breaker.
>>96243367You can have slightly further in progress pics with shoulder pads before I remembered I still needed to put decals on and tore them off again
>>96243786That head looks baller where is it from?
>>96243872Iโm pretty sure itโs a helmetless Skitarii. Got it in a bits bundle at my lgs
>on holiday last week so couldn't pick up preordered saturnine on release
>back tomorrow, but LGS is closed on Monday
>Can't get my shit till 5pm Tuesday
FUCK, not sure who feels worse me or the buyers for the singles I didn't want.
>>96243852The fact that they have to stand still in their previous movement phase to get Firing Protocols (2) is what takes the wind out of their sails
They can't even react with both of their arm guns even though that counts as stationary, because they specifically have to have not moved in their controlling player's movement phase.
Way easier to just do one arm gun and then have the photonic incinerators so you still have some medium ranged firepower and strong short ranged firepower that you can react/volley fire with.
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>>96243367some batch painting
>>96243890Have you painted your whole bwcklog?
>>96243780you absolutely always want the lascannon sponsons. 2 melta shots alone is not a reliable kill on a landraider type thing, particularly not when every good vehicle pops 5+ FNP so 10 hull points is really 15 wounds. Kratos is stable so Dmg2 while driving around, the sponsons are equivalent to the output from 4 infantry lascannons walking for a mere 25 points (6 points per damage). It can also add 4 damage of sponson lascannons added for a tiny 20 points (5 points per damage). That's 80% of a lascannon HSS output for 45 instead of 350 points, someone'd be mentally handicapped to not be buying 4x lascannons on it.
If someone took it with only the melta and no sponsons, it'd just be ignored. You can't ignore 2x 24" AP2 dmg 8 meltas + 8 damage of AP2 lascannons + autocannon. For just 355 points it earns it puts a steady stream of smashing landraiders, predators, rhinos, terminators, primarchs, while the 14/14/14 armor makes it shrug off majority of antitank in game.
Honestly, I can't imagine a case where 10 lascannon HSS would ever be viable in 3rd edition. There is no situation they compare with paying 5 more points for a 14/14/14 tank with 5+ FNP and 10 hull points and more firepower than them at the same time.
anons who played 3.0, are the new charge/volley mechanics really any better than 2.0? is it a sidegrade for change sake or is ir actually a worthwhile improvement?
>>96243958don't have one yet, though I could drill barrels on bolt pistols I guess.
>>96243977at best its a sidegrade and change for change's sake. The typical results is within an inch or two, but allows retarded shit like declaring what should be illegal charges on enemies 8.1" away, choosing not to do a setup move, volley firing them then not moving a single step because the charge is impossible since it's 1 dice distance. Pistols weren't helped in any way by volleyfire as if they kill any enemy models it adds inches to your charge distance and your unit fails the charge (and has to Cool test for failed charge or they get so scared of looking like stupid bitches that they receive Stunned and are immobilized for the rest of the game and if the enemy attacks them, they'll strike at initiative 1)
>>96243890you deserve it for preordering a flop, subhuman frogposter
>>96243801I see, that makes sense.
>>96243962"someone'd be mentally handicapped" - Well.. :-^)
Thanks for the help, anons.
>>96244039>S-s-saturnine is at -15 sales now! They OWE the LGS money now!>NO DON'T LOOK AT THE SECOND HAND MARKET PRICES SPIKING PEOPLE ARENT BUYING IT I SWEAR AAAAYYYYY PARDO LEAKER SAVE MEEEEEE
>>96243977With the new charge system the minimum possible charge of a lot of units went up immensely, and the Set Up move allows you to deny reactions and volley fire. Sure, maximum charge distance is down, but how often did you get that 12" charge.
With the changes to transports there is also a lot more movement distance available outside the charge phase. My centurion command squad has been getting off charges in turn 1 against anything leaving the opponent's deployment zone thanks to their Rhino.
Oh and no more charging through terrain penalty is just amazing.
Overall charges are waaaay more reliable, and reactions just are not a thing if you position well to use the Set Up move. If you want to go real crazy you can even put jump pack veterans/praetorian command squads in a land raider, and have a 10"+12" threat range - before the 5" set up move.
tldr: it is a massive improvement if you make proper use of mobility options, but if you relied purely on landing those 12" charges what the fuck were you doing it will feel like a downgrade.
So far, I have this left to build & paint:
>a Praetor
>a Consul of some variety
>50 Mk III Marines
>30 Mk VI Marines
>10 Mk II Marines
>a Boxnought
>a Leviathan
>a Spartan
>a Predator
>a Vindicator
I got zealous about buying, what is this best strategy for burrowing through this horrendous backlog?
>>96243977It's alright, the whole charge phase and combat resolution is pretty much ported unchanged from the old world and it works there
But also you know it's literally just because they share rules writers, not because it's a better system
>>96244191Old world charges are different
>>96244185I know your pain. have 30 MKIII marines and 40 MKII marines that will wait until I have legion shoulderpads, at minimum. :-(
Not even to mention another 50 or so MKVI (regular and assault) + tanks + various other odds and ends.
>>96244185Just do a little bit whenever you can, train yourself on starting on a little painting. Don't force yourself to keep going too much too long, that way you'll develop more aversion to painting.
>>96244200Indeed. Old world charges are movement +2d6 drop lowest. Its similar, in a sense, to the stepup system but it ends up with units moving MUCH further (it also has some units add to that, such as +d6 for cavalry and stuff.
WHFB charges in HH would have white scars charging their jetbikes around 24" or so. Mind you WHFB charges also take place before shooting, and instead of regular movement.
whats the theoretical shelf-life of a thallax?
theres mention that the person inside inevitably breaks down due to the constant pain
and what about sentience, independent thought? theres mention they have it just...stunted
any reason why the mechanicum stopped using them?
>>96244200You get a minimum distance determined by your movement plus a dice roll
Then volley attacks
No bonuses from charging
At the end both the winner and losers get multiple options of what to do
It's not exactly the same but it looks a lot more like the old world than like 2.0
>>9624418510, or however much you can stand, at a time. Keep a record of what you've got left to go through in writing to keep you honest, but otherwise put whatever you're not working on away to keep it from overwhelming you. Don't be afraid to not work on the army or take a break by painting something else or building something new if you're getting burnt out. Remember that the only one you. Ave to answer to is you
>t. 15k points of Blackshields later
>>96244223Old World charges also happen in the movement phase, right? Meaning to make a fair comparison you also have to add the movement of units in HH to the charge roll and set up move.
>>96244229There are no volley attacks and you get iniative bonusses from charging.
>>96244238Yup, before any other moves. You make all your charges, resolve your charges, then do any other movements.
The actual charges are longer, but in reality 40k units can cover more ground, Movement is just generally harder in WHFB (since thats the point right? its a rank and flank)
>>96244233Man thats a lot of iron warriors.
>>96244258I think the main flaw with old world charges is the fact that it adds your base movement. Hate playing against Brettonia and watch him charge me turn 1 across the entire board.
>>96244241There are volley attacks if you have ranged weapons
I should ban pre measuring from my tables, its so fucking gay.
>>96244258Really want to try a praetorian command squad with jump packs in a storm eagle.
>Eagle gets put on the table, then moves 18" forward>Praetorion command squad disembarks 12">5" set up move plus 2D6 pick highest chargeLike who even needs charging after deep strike at that point lmao
>>96244260>I think the main flaw with old world charges is the fact that it adds your base movement.I dare say that isnt a flaw but rather what the entire system is built around. Fast units, with big movement, charge further, which is important because charging is very important.
>Hate playing against Brettonia and watch him charge me turn 1 across the entire board.Well, units still have quite fixed max charges, just avoid whatever it is (so for bretonnia the maximum they can declare is 8"+6"+3" so 17" for normal horses and 19" for the cavary. A bit more with their vow if they took it.
>>96244279Yea, I really want to try that too. "So you felt safe over there in your deployment zone did you? surprise! hammers". Just need to get a storm eagle first, which is a pain in the ass.
>>96244292Cant really avoid the charge range when im playing Chaos Dwarfs
>>96244214>>96244219>>96244233Thanks dudes. Iโll try it in 5-man chunks, then vehicles and Characters.
>>96244298Cant you just sit outside of it and shoot them? You have guns. Also just use some hobgoblins as screens to protect vs the regular (non pegasus) knights.
Theyre obviously always going to get the first charge off, theyre cavalry and youre infantry, but you have tools to hit them before they close the distance and big girthy infantry to weather the charge.
>>96244308My rolls suck ass
>>96244308>>96244314Also the green knight
>>96244314Nothing which can save you from that. Trust me I know.
>>96244314No counterplay to that chief.
>>96244320Oh yea that dude is absolute bullshit. Fittingly for this discussion hes basically a 40k deep strike unit, except in a game in no way designed to handle that. So either you play with no natural terrain or he fucks everyone in the ass.
>>96244308Bret is just OP as fuck
It's pretty well known at this point
Old World groids please go to your containment thread to talk about your game
>>96244329Theyre overtuned, but I wouldnt consider them "OP as fuck". Theyre a strong faction and consistenly have a win rate thats just a bit too high (and more tangibly have some absolute nonsense tools that havent been dealt with fast or hard enough) but theyre still entirely beatable. Im currently 100:0 vs brets with my chaos warriors (admittedly I dont play tournaments very often, and dont play super competetively with my lists either).
>>96244279landraider does it better and is more reliable
>DG can spam Interdiction Cadres, and the detachment also gives you a support slot (for arakanaes and rapier) and a heavy assault slot
I think I may have cracked it
>>96244229>>96244223>>96244191>>96244107>>96243977The new mechanics are honestly pretty gay, since it just gives shooty units a second shooting phase. If it was a movement phase action (i.e. you charge/volley fire INSTEAD OF normal shooting) than the system would suddenly make far more sense.
Fuck GW for taking away charge bonuses in exchange for a bonus round of shooting every turn.
>>96244472On the other hand, TS can spam trantulas
Do you think these guys could fit into 30k with some work? I imagine you'd have to shave off the Slaneesh symbols.
Alpha Legion Mors Deythan? Y/N? I feel like Chameleoline being buffed by AL's trait makes them a good idea, and if you don't want them as such you can just use them as normal Recon Troopers with Nemesis rifles.
>>96244649the 40k obsession with wavey horrible trim everywhere makes it stand out distinctly from 30k models. It can be removed, but its a bit of work.
Your best bet is to 'soften' the look but dilluting part usage down, as a purely 40k EC model will stand out a lot, but if you say use just the body, but vanilla 30k stuff for the arms/should/backpack, the effect is far less.
Lads I'm having so much fun with Saturnine. Feel like I'm back in 3rd Ed 40k, but this time I can actually paint. I see why grogs love 30k.
Gonna paint up a centurion today I reckon. Can centurions lead if I don't have the praetor done? They're able to be HQ choices right?
>>96244676I'd agree with you for most 40k kits, but EC's whole thing is excess and ornamentation, so excessive ornamentation would fit. I imagine these guys were the ones raping civvies instead of joining the siege, the ones that were already too far gone
>>96244685These look great! I usually hate models withotu helmets but the vexilla guy looks perfect. That's a delicious shade of orange-yellow on the armor too
>No praetorSure, but your army will be severely gimped
>>96244685Under 3.0 list building you can basically do what you like. Also, Centurions aren't any visually different from Praetors. There's Basic, Jump Pack and Terminator versions of both (Saturnine is Praetor only for now) So, you can field him however you want.
The main reason you want a High Command (as opposed to a Command choice like a Cent) is they give you access to Apex Detachments, which is where your elites, like Vet Troopers, Seekers and usually at least one Legion specific troop hang out, as well as your retinues, but usually the Vanguard Detachment is going to be the more useful one. You can just use a Prime Benefit to spot in a single retinue choice if you want that Augur Squad.
>>96244685You only need a praetor if you really want an extra reaction point, and to get access to a apex detachment. It's totally possible to build a factional army with just a centurion or two, specially at lower point values.
You can even make an army without any HQ if you're crazy enough.
>>96244734Are reaction points reset each round? Or are they gone once used?
>>96244747They are reset each turn. You only get to use them in the opponent's turn, and any points you didn't use don't carry over.
>>96244757I see, that does make getting a third more tempting.
Might explore a list without a Praetor anyway to see how I like the game feel.
>>96244691true, but they stand out from even 30k EC models. NOt telling you to not use them, but they do stand out, at least for me.
>>96244530I think the challenge thing is just stupid. Itโs hero hammer. HH is not about that. I think the rules need to be slightly shifted to melee a little considering volley is a thing now
>>96244734I'm in the middle of theory crafting a weird 1k AL list where there's no frontline commanders it's all weird utility stuff.
So far the vague concept is:
Master of Singles (Primes a Rewards of Treachery) (Unlocks the Headhunter Leviathal)
Saboteur
Recon Squad with Nemesis Bolters in the Leviathal (Primes in a Logistical Benefit)
Seeker Squad
Augur Team (via Logistical Benefit)
Mors Deythal with Nemesis Bolters (via Rewards of Treachery)
That leaves me with around just under 300pts left to spend. My main concerns are that I'm light on Anti-Tank and light on frontline units that can take and hold the central 3pt objective. I'm also tempted to claim these guys are loyalists and take an Assassin for shits and giggles.
Some ideas I had were: Siegemaster+Phosphex Rapiers, or maybe Headhunters with Combi-Melta's or Volkite, Meltabombs and Multi-Meltas.
Charnabal sabres worth taking? I wanted to convert some Dark Sons of Death as a Praetorian Jump Command Squad w/ charnabal blades and hand flamers but seem way to shit to even justify for rule of cool
>>96244812>Master of Singlesis he browsing Tinder on his cogitator?
>>96244815In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only Grindr, I'm afraid.
>>96244825He said he's making an AL list not a DA.
>>96244837He's catfishing the DA obviously.
>>96244843>Brothers, the cogitator said there would be twinks here
I kinda want to do a silly tower defense list with as many emplacements as possible. Run a bunch of tarantulas, the new big turret, maybe have some breachers holding the line?
>>96244814Just take a power weapon for 5 pts more. Though maybe giving one model a charnabal sabre and combat shield for challenge shenanigans can be funny.
>>96244898and hand flamers? Also seem useless as no status effects with them
>>96244904Anon theyre flamer pistols you can volley fire.
>>96244904Can rack up a ton of hits with volley fire and gun them down. You use the template during snap shots this edition, no more D3 auto hits.
>>96244913they're S3 do nothing to armor, don't inflict status and if you do manage to kill one or two models, your charge fails because you shot the hand flamer.
If enemy bunches his models as tight as humanly possible, hand flamers have a little play. In any other situation, they're utter garbage vs astartes.
>>96244898>>96244913>>96244921thanks for the input. I guess I'll just be patient for the pdf to see the Destroyer and Dark Sons of Death rules before putting the models together
>>96244649The models are huge, like primaris size
>>96244273Sounds based in theory but their are so many ways to cheese it trying to stop it just becomes ridiculous.
>>96244649The slaanesh symbols are fine, especially if you make them true believers or play them as hereticus.
Arguably it's the guns that stand out the most depending on your level of nitpick, as they are godwyn pattern, thoug you can probably get one of the mk6 squads and just swap shit around at your leisure.
Is a box of 40k Thousand Sons worth it as a source of bits for 30k marines? I have proper Heresy-era transfers
>>96238157 (OP)How many more Horsegirl OPs are we going to get?
not that I mind
>>96245030Yes, absolutely
They have the good arms that you can magnetize easily
>>96245039We'll get them until you faggots kill yourselves, hopefully soon
>>96245096anime website :^)
>>96245030good source of bits 100%, but shouldn't be the cornerstone of whole models unless its characters
>>96245030>>96245149The Exalted Sorcerers box is better for blinging out a TS character.
>>96245264fresh bread
>>96245264be sure to post models
>>96245264post games too
>>96244701>>96244717>>96244734Cheers lads. Thanks. I find the new force organisation chats confusing desu, but it sounds like once you understand it, it's very flexible.
I kind of want to get a legion command squad, are they worthwhile? I've bought the expensive special imperial fists decals so I want the big flat banner.
>>96238635Blessed Sons. Nice.
Wish they were 50 points per model for 3rd...
>>96245169That's a hell of a backpack.
>>96238718What colors did you use fit the blue?
>>96239360Yes this was the marine on Terra in the 3th or 4th Ragnar Blackmane book.
Centurions on 40mm bases, yay or nay?
