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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons:
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ:
Which is more valuable to the Magic brand: the immediate revenue from reprinting high value cards, or the long-term collector confidence built on the promise not to reprint them?

Bros I'm cookin

>>96238419 (OP)
>TQ
The immediate revenue from printing FIRE cards that rotate multiple formats, obviously. Because it also creates long-term confidence that each new set will be crazier than the last!

>>96238419 (OP)
>Which is more valuable to the Magic brand: the immediate revenue from reprinting high value cards, or the long-term collector confidence built on the promise not to reprint them?
Even IF they decided to put the power nine into standard tomorrow, all the old printing would still be worth a pile of money.
Not as much, but still a lot, it wouldn't break people wallets as much as they would like to believe.
Jeweled lotus lost 50% of its value, and yeah, that's a lot, but its still far from worthless. You're a retard if you were keeping them in a vault like gold bars and deserved it, same with fucking anything on the RL

>>96238436
Uhh WotC will not like this

>>96238436
Heh

>>96238419 (OP)
>TQ
Reprinting and it's not even close. Shame this game is absolute fucking shit at reprints. Which may explain some of their choices lately while chasing more profits. Refusing to reprint certain cards does nothing positive for the game.

>>96238436
Yes!

>>96238473
No :(

>>96238419 (OP)
>Which is more valuable to the Magic brand: the immediate revenue from reprinting high value cards, or the long-term collector confidence built on the promise not to reprint them?
Has any other game had this problem before? It's hard for me to even assess what the exact ramifications would be for sales if WotC dissolved the Reserved List.

Does "enters tapped and attacking" get around this?

>>96238558
Whining and butt hurt, maybe some suicides.

>>96238473
Goddammit lmao will there ever come a day where I won't have a "wow I've never seen THIS fucking card!" reaction? That's fucking neato

>>96238558
No other game has been stupid enough to make never reprinting a specific set of cards a marketing move. Realistically, I really doubt it would do anything if they did dissolve it. No one who's really part of Wizard's current biggest market probably even owns a single thing from that list or would know much about it.

>>96238561
No. No matter how creatures enter the battlefield, they are "entering" and will be hit by that

>>96238561
that art speaks to me

>>96238593
Kev Walker is based. It kind of looks like early 90s CGI painted over.

OG Omnath was surprisingly fun. Ive never felt more dangerous throwing down mana doublers

>>96238600
yeah, reminds me of those prerendered backgrounds in 90s games
but I also like the general dark atmosphere. combined with the old frame, it's just so perfect. I love old cards so much.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

serious question, do cedh games only end by combo? or is the fact that everyone is paying 5 life for alternate cost cards and 20 for their shocklands mean that life totals are actually a lot lower

>>96238675
it's 100% win by some sort of combo
low power decks like to hide a combo in the 99. cEDH decks are about cramming as mana combo pieces you can into your deck and finding them all faster than anyone else, while also holding on to the best interaction you can find.
cEDH games also aren't over fast because of that fact. I've seen games passing the 3 hour mark.

>>96238419 (OP)
Immediate revenue. The investard part of magic has ensured the game has no actual future because younger players just aren't coming into it in any appreciable numbers due to how ridiculously expensive the game is because nerds have turned it into a stock market.

>>96238702
>younger players just aren't coming into it in any appreciable numbers due to how ridiculously expensive the game is because nerds have turned it into a stock market.
i don't think this is really true beyond the whale-chasing sets. Tarkir and EoE both have totally reasonable pre-cons available, and new players weren't going for RL stuff anyway.

>>96238675
Yuriko has a burn finisher if she has enough creatures on the board.

>>96238647
Old cards and frames were peak magic aesthetic for sure during that era.

>>96238686
Is a cEDH deck designed to go up against three others, or is it 1v1? Is there a 1v1 EDH format if not? I remember back in the day Vendilion Clique being the hot shit in that when it was EDH, not commander.

General question for everyone: would you consider Disciple of Caelus Nin mass land denial? Legal to put in a bracket 3 deck?

My opinion is that in general everyone has the choice of phasing out their lands or keeping them, so it's not really mld. But I just think the concept of mld is laughable anyway with UGx ramp dominance having no counterplay. Haven't actually tried it in a deck tho.

>>96238675
can't etali kill by hitting someone (counts as infect kill) in certain circumstances?

>>96238731
cEDH is also 4 player
for 1v1, there is duel commander with separate rules and banlist

>>96238749
>for 1v1, there is duel commander with separate rules and banlist

Whoa. No shit?

>>96238735
I would consider it a bracket 1 card it's so ass dude.

>>96238735
Does it deny you lands on a mass scale?

>>96238776
Really? Seems good in my Marchesa control list to counterplay against ramping

>>96238793
I've never seen this card not just hand the next player in turn order the game.

>>96238789
No, you can choose to keep 5 lands. Thats enough

>>96238794
Then someone plays instant speed removal on it during the end step of the player to their right, suddenly they're the only person with permanents phased in, effectively giving them a wholly uncontested turn, and you look like a retard.

lol

>>96238800
And I just Not Dead After All it or recur it with Alesha or Terra. I'm in Mardu, I'm not afraid of interaction

>Is that an... arcane signet?
>Are you fucking stupid? Why are you trying to ramp outside of green, the color that's the best at ramping uncontrollably because I'm not allowed to play MLD?
>Don't you know that Arcane Signet is worse than Chromatic Orrery in every way? If you drew that thing late it would be totally useless compared to an 8-mana bomb!
>Don't you know that ramping is inefficient? The only thing your deck needs to do is play the commander once, even though it also shouldn't depend on the commander at all because it dies to removal.
>Also I'd like to again remind you again that green is OP because there's literally no way to stop it from ramping and winning every game without MLD legal

I tried out ragost and he feels sooooo slow, even with a ton a treasure. Everything feels so feeble.
How did you guys build him?

>>96238558
I think I heard they’re liable to get sued because they put into writing they will never reprint anything on the reserve list again, but they’ve removed and reprinted cards from the RL already, so who knows.

>>96238749
>>96238766
I just found out Rofellos and Primeval Titan aren't banned in 1v1. This is... awesome!

>>96238812
So you're going to phase out your own board to keep lands so you can hold up mana to protect your 3/4?
For the sake of argument I'll avoid poking at flaws specific to Not Dead After All and assume you're using stronger spot protection like Loran's Escape or Restoration Magic (since your choice was ironically very poor given the #1 removal piece in the format being an exile effect).

If you continuously try to play catch-up on someone who's getting multiple uncontested turns with a full mana reserve, you're going to fall behind on tempo and lose the game regardless. Every land you keep to protect Disciple of Caelus Nin is a permanent you're not able to gain tempo with. It's not like you can see someone choosing to keep lands and respond by keeping your own lands either. You have to choose first and telegraph what you have.

What is the best tcgplayer seller for cheap bulk that will arrive together?

>>96238857
depends. what's your address?

>>96238820
>claims to be a "competitive player"
>says the worst color in the game is overpowered

>>96238839
They should just make functional 1:1 reprints and just let the investards stew in their ponzi scheme.

>>96238882
but that's not red, anon

>>96238882
>claims to be a "competitive player"
>refuses to play sol ring cuz muh noncompetitive reasons
much better line of attack

>>96238869
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC

>>96238852
Once again, I like this in Mardu Control. I'm not usually going to have a huge board to worry about Disciple's effect hitting me too hard. And importantly, it's in my deck; I know it's coming and my opponents do not. I'm not saying the card is amazing, but I do think the idea of worrying about removal in bracket 3, where most players are playing solitaire trying to ramp to their combo finisher or big ass creature, is overblown. If they remove it, I'll try to protect it, if they get rid of it, big deal, I'll play another must answer creature or wipe the board. The idea of pissing off some Aesi or Tatyova land spam netdecker gets me hard, that's the real reason I wanna play it lol. I just want more answers to them

>>96238918
Universe Within/Beyond was the perfect opportunity to reprint reserve list as "new" cards. Something like a Mass Effect SL with the Sliver Queen reimagined as the Rachni Queen. Or the Moxen as a play on the Infinity Stones.

>>96238935
>guys vance is posting on /edhg/

Mass Effect UB when

>>96238938
I mean that's fair enough. Players are absolute shit at the game and you can get away with fucking murder in EDH. I just try to build decks through a lens of not trying to exploit bad players because then the result quickly becomes "turbo to wincon knowing they're not running interaction".
That's just my perspective though. I see it as a b1 card because it blows up in your own face so easily, but Timmies will call basically anything you blow them out with as "not in the spirit of bracket (X)".

>>96238953
Vance needs a fucking corner rounder for his proxies, holy shit.

>>96238963
>Timmies will call basically anything you blow them out with as "not in the spirit of bracket (X)".
trvthnvke.jpg

>>96238837
I put in some lifegain wincon package

>>96238800
Why does this flicker lol what retarded made this

>>96238974
I've stopped running anything but a few pieces of premium removal in my pods because running and using a proper amount just leads to the rest of them freaking out and archenemying me.

>>96239079
he's shitposting. you can tell it's the same guy because he keeps making cards with "landfall -- <some effect>" instead of "landfall -- whenever a land enters under your control, <some effect>" to annoy people.

Is she the best artifact good stuff commander nowadays? I was on sharuum for a long time when I got into the format a decade or so ago but haven't played her much lately.

>>96239088
holy autism

>>96238839
Did they put it into writing? I thought they only made a promise they wouldn’t abolish the RL but never saw any docs with their company head’s signature(s) on it. And even if they did, what exactly would the cardboard investors even sue on? It’s not like stocks where Hasbro has to do quarterly reports for their stockholders and they’re the only ones outside law enforcement bodies who can force their hand.

>>96239096
Depends on what you mean by "good stuff". I can create a giant pile of artifact tokens and nuke the table with Shao Jun and a damage doubler/tripler

the RL promise is a meme.
they will reprint if they see fit.
they haven't already because most of the people working at jotc own a fuck ton of duals, you think nosewater isn't packing p9 and shit?
and see people saying "bla bla SL/UB are the new RL" nigger please

What do you people even want with the reserved list cards? Most of them do not even matter in the commander format, even though they are stupidly broken. They don't improve the game or make it more interesting. They're just another thing for nerds to complain about pointlessly.

>>96239079
It wouldn't be FIRE enough if he couldn't reset his own EtB which sets up his landfall trigger.

>>96239116
>That haven't for 25 years, but just wait 2 more weeks!

post your favorite RL kino

>>96239113
Post list

>>96239096
This honestly seems like trash compared to most artifact commanders. It's the chef lobster tier.

>>96239150
>breya
>trash
She's literally a cedh combo commander

>>96239149
Go on scryfall
Select Commander Colors:Red+Blue
Search keywords: artifact token
Sort by Price USD

>>96239149
I don't keep lists, and I'm not gonna take a picture. The deck is filled with all the cards that make lots treasures/junk/clue/etc tokens. I amass a big pile of them and then summon her and immediately tap the pile. Then I do it all over again with Blinkmoth Infusion/Dramatic Reversal/Turnabout

>>96238839
Sued by who exactly?? Reserved list is an internal agreement wotc chooses to follow. There is nothing binding about it.

>>96239155
What the fuck artifact commander isn't some cedh combo commander

>>96239164
how about her

>>96239144
You've already played an additional land that turn. You shouldn't give opinions if you dont know how basic rules interact.

>>96238839
>Band says they will never go one tour again, they sign their paperwork to leave their label.
>10 years later they decide to reform and go back on turn
>Random guy as collectibles from their hayday tries to sue because now his merch might be less valuable because they signed their paperwork

>>96239172
*buzzer sounds*
Oh, so sorry anon! You missed the part it's a triggered ability that gives you an additional land, not a static ability! Flickering Exploration might not do anything, but copying Explore does!

>>96239162
>I dont keep lists
>I refuse to photograph a deck
Starting to think Shao Jun player is a nogames nodeck.

>>96239185
No sorry it doesnt work but youre welcome to cheat at your tables.

>>96239188
>people won't spoonfeed me deck lists
>that means they're bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>96239194
It sounds like yoir decklist is pretty shit anyways so I see why you don't post

>>96239096
depends on what you define as good artifact stuff. In a vacuum Joira is the best artifact commander.

>>96239081
It's a juggling act playing control; you have to remove or counter or board wipe only when the other two players agree something is a threat, play your opponents against each other, and try to build value for late game. It's objectively not the spikiest way to play, but I think it's fun

>>96239194
>SPOONFEED AAAAA
>completely misinterpret response
Nigga, I just wanna see this deck you so constantly talk about in a thread about EDH decks you faggot. Stop posting if you're just going to pretend you play and act like a woman whenever asked for the most basic information about what you apparently "use" all the time. Temperamental ass bitch boys, I swear.

>>96239207
You sound visibly upset.

>>96239193
>The effects of multiple Explores in the same turn are cumulative. They're also cumulative with other effects that let you play additional lands, such as the one from Urban Evolution. (2017-03-14)
It's okay to be wrong anon.

https://gatherer.wizards.com/J25/en-us/146/explore
https://scryfall.com/card/j25/146/explore

In the comprehensive rules this is outlined under rule 305.2 and 305.2a, and continuous effects mentioned in 305.2a are explained in section 611. Most notably 611.2 and 611.2a which explain that continuous effects from spells and abilities are different than those from static abilities (611.3).

Don't worry! Magic is hard! In time you too can create FIRE designs worthy of MH4 if you put in the work towards designing utter garbage.

>>96239212
I'm just tired of you retards pretending to play and being offended by basic engagement. Imagine if you went to your LGS and someone said they had a cool deck, but any time you ask to see it or hear about it, they talk in empty vagaries, half-information, and then get actually upset and say you're asking for spoon feeding when you simply want to see it. That's you. It is not unreasonable to ask you to spend 10 minutes laying out and photographing a deck, which you can then post anytime someone asks without throwing a little temperamental bitchfit.

>>96239227
>but any time you ask to see it or hear about it
Except I never would because I don't give a fuck?
>this is how I would act, so that means this is how everyone else would act
Yeah okay.
> It is not unreasonable to ask you to spend 10 minutes laying out and photographing a deck, which you can then post anytime someone asks without throwing a little temperamental bitchfit.
pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftthahahahaha yeah okay bro. Cool. Cool cool cool. Whatever you say.

>>96239234
Concession accepted, nodeck.

>>96239227
>It is not unreasonable to ask you to spend 10 minutes laying out and photographing a deck
it is not unreasonable for people to search up cards for themselves? it is not unreasonable to expect that people know enough about the same to understand "include cards that generate a ton of tokens and gg you win"? it is not unreasonable to think people would just hop on edhrec and see what's so fun about the given commander? terrible argument desu senpai

>>96239234
>I am actively uninterested in magic decks
>I'd NEVER ask to hear about a cool deck
>why would I want to know about any magic deck?
>what's an EDH?
Is this supposed to be an own?

>>96239240
>>96239234
>hey can I see what you run?
>UHHHH EDHREC??
I knew artifact players were retarded but this is fucking surreal.

>>96239248
>doesn't address the other two statements
yeah see you're not defeating the "i can't think for myself" argument. still terrible, senpai. we're not here to treat people like babies, they can research decks for themselves

>>96239240
Is this you admitting that if there is a deck it's just a carbon copy of the edhrec page and has no creative or interesting options whatsoever?

>I have a gold plated cock
>That's kinda weird, but can I see it?
>I'm not going to spoon-feed you my cock, fag

>>96239267
Hhhahhahah

>>96239262
Artifacts have no creative options.

Idk why more people dont direct deck slurpers to edhrec

ENOUGH POINTLESS BICKERING
I shall post MY deck in anon's stead, to prove my immense brilliance capable of completing the Herculean task of creating a legal deck for the "Commander" format (formerly known as EDH, in honor of the gay dragons who founded it).

https://archidekt.com/decks/7966458/gaylazeth_prismari

This is my Izzet storm deck. The goal of the deck is to waste as much time as possible by taking as many game actions in one turn that ultimately do not win. I restricted myself to only using creatures that have the type "Dragon" because I don't want to sully a dragon deck with non-dragons.
I have additionally restricted myself from using Unwinding Clock, because it is too much of a red flag to the table that they should scoop and go next. I can not let any victims escape my 15-minute turn early, as I try to draw a 9-mana sorcery that requires 3 garnets in the library.

>>96239286
>by taking as many game actions in one turn that ultimately do not win
honestly I'm so burned out by regular/meta shit that this sounds incredibly appealing. I just wanna have fun again not have to worry about people being ultra competitive tryhards

>>96239286
Holy based
We need more autists that treat self-imposed deckbuilding restrictions like material for a villain monologue.

>>96239286
>as I try to draw a 9-mana sorcery that requires 3 garnets in the library.
mf out here playing 1 Gamma 3 Driver

>>96239286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsgLtTd4Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsgLtTd4Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsgLtTd4Go
deck theme

>>96239286
based rollercoaster enjoyer

can someone explain the flubs combo and why he runs 40+ lands

>>96239314
I remember once seeing an MtG video saying I should avoid all cards that share a mana cost with my commander because the game is all about trying to curve out as hard as possible and your commander fills that slot, so I added more of them.
I simply can not allow my opponents to rest easy knowing I've tapped out because of something as foolish as a "smooth mana curve". I need to keep them in a perpetual state of fear seeing open mana, knowing that at any moment I could Quicken a kicked Molten Disaster.

>>96239329
>I should avoid all cards that share a mana cost with my commander
>have a 2 cmc commander
>not allowed to run any of the best manarocks/interaction/removal spells
fucking RIP

>>96239334
Ramping with mana rocks!? Are you stupid? They're dead draws on turn 20 and just die to Vandalblast!

I put only lands in my deck that way nothing competes with my commander and I'm guaranteed to draw a land

>>96239341
I hope this dumbass gets nonstop shit for such a complete awful fucking video. I sincerely hope people clown on him forever just like Jeff Nippard with his stupid ass fucking fake natty video

>>96239341
mana rocks are a dead draw if you're playing green imo, but basically a necessity in every other deck that isn't turbo land ramp. Which explains why trinket cuck thinks they're bad since all he seems to gush about is turbo land ramp.

>>96239354
based. Any other commander that can get away with this strategy?

>>96239363
omnath locus of mana is the only one I can think of

>>96239363
Olivia Voldaren

>>96239329
Based. I need to grab those cards. I forgot about molten disaster.
>>96239354
Check out the big brain on Brad!

>>96239356
I get a childish sort of joy making these.

Hello, /EDH/ I am trying to decide on a commander to play.

I have been in and out of magic for quite a while and basically starting from scratch. There are a few commanders I want to build, but I don't know which one and have pro's and cons for each. I tend to enjoy slower/control style decks with interaction, so if you have any EDH recommendations please recommend them. My color priority goes from U>B>W>G>R and I prefer not to proxy.

Teysa - Pros: I really like Orzhov, my favorite guild, drain and gain is fun.

Cons: I worry that this commander is too popular for tables and people will not want to play against another Teysa.

Rydia: Pros: My favorite FF character, a fun competent fast list that can combo off with landfall triggers, cycling through my deck quickly as well as having land matters strategy.

Cons: Gruul, specifically Red/Green are my least favorite colors, and I feel like the deck will be far to linear to get to specific combos, making games feel very samey, but the process of getting there different each time. Also don't want to spend $200 on fetch lands.

Terra
Pros: Blue is my favorite single color, and a very control heavy based deck, as well as featuring my favorite VG artist Amano.

Cons: I don't like artifacts as much and people don't like winter orb.

Liesa and D&V: Both options for a control style Angel deck, with one taking my opponents triggers for unique games, and Liesa for anti infinite hate and general drain/life gain synergy.

Cons: I feel of all the commanders listed, these are on the weaker side, with D&V being reliant on my opponents board state and probably will be hated off the board, while Liesa feeling the slowest at 5 cost.

With all being said, I believe I am leaning towards Liesa, she seems to be the most interesting while not being too obnoxious to play against. Teysa the second. Rydia third, only due to fetches and building up a collection in colors I don't want to play as much, but the deck also seems fun.

oops

If wotc were to make new versions of the Ivasion/Planar Chaos legendary dragons, what would their stats, power and keywords be in order to be relevant?

>>96239426
oh no no MLD bros we are being made fun of HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHHA

Hello, /EDH/ I am trying to decide on a commander to play. I have been in and out of magic for quite a while and basically starting from scratch. There are a few commanders I want to build, but I don't know which one and have pro's and cons for each. I tend to enjoy slower/control style decks with interaction, so if you have any EDH recommendations please recommend them. My color priority goes from U>B>W>G>R and I prefer not to proxy.

Teysa - Pros: I really like Orzhov, my favorite guild, drain and gain is fun.
Cons: I worry that this commander is too popular for tables and people will not want to play against another Teysa.

Rydia: Pros: My favorite FF character, a fun competent fast list that can combo off with landfall triggers, cycling through my deck quickly as well as having land matters strategy.
Cons: Gruul, specifically Red/Green are my least favorite colors, and I feel like the deck will be far to linear to get to specific combos, making games feel very samey, but the process of getting there different each time. Also don't want to spend $200 on fetch lands.

Terra
Pros: Blue is my favorite single color, and a very control heavy based deck, as well as featuring my favorite VG artist Amano.
Cons: I don't like artifacts as much and people don't like winter orb.

Liesa and D&V: Both options for a control style Angel deck, with one taking my opponents triggers for unique games, and Liesa for anti infinite hate and general drain/life gain synergy.
Cons: I feel of all the commanders listed, these are on the weaker side, with D&V being reliant on my opponents board state and probably will be hated off the board, while Liesa feeling the slowest at 5 cost.

With all being said, I believe I am leaning towards Liesa, she seems to be the most interesting while not being too obnoxious to play against. Teysa the second. Rydia third, only due to fetches and building up a collection in colors I don't want to play as much, but the deck also seems fun.

>>96239227
not those anons but my decks have lots of proxies and I don't wanna be bullied by the thread for showing them

I do not care about "brackets".
I will play this in every deck and that deck will be a 7.

>>96239341
>Tried so hard to be contrarian he stumbled into genuine retard territory
This guy is never gonna hear the end of it. Every time someone wins against him with a rock he's given them a free ticket to shit all over him. Every time someone plays ahead of curve they get to shit on him. He's morphed himself into an outhouse for the community.

>>96239156
>using scryfall

>>96239569
oh god I thought this was nonlands only for the longest time I have it in my indestructible voltron deck but never fucking drawn it in like 12 games

>>96239603
wombo combos with avacyn

>>96239603
Draw????

>>96239620
I think tutors are lame so I don't run them

Just witnessed an izzet player ragequit because he could not keep track of his own triggers

>>96239636
Don't you want more consistent decks?

>>96239656
Is he for searching cards? I thought most of these youtube fags argued against them.

>>96239656
i like spells that resolve fast
searching in a fucking 99 pile is not fast
fuck your fetchlands

>>96239659
The newer crop of fags have taken the position of "Tutors good"

>>96239664
BASED

>>96239514
having built 3 of these lists myself, I can give some advice:
>Terra/Urza
Stay away, unless you want to break into high power. The deck looks like it'd be fairly simple and fair (oh, I turn my artifacts into mana rocks, and get a beefy boi to protect me) but in reality you're committing tax evasion and taking a 20 minute turn with infinite mana and infinite triggers to just play your entire deck one randomly shuffled card at a time. Don't get me wrong, this is my own cEDH choice, but you do NOT play Urza casually.
>Teysa
She's really not all that popular, at least from what I've seen. She's one of the few Aristocrat strategies that really works, due to her being a doubler in the CZ that allows you to be aggressive with your fodder before it gets sac'd. She's super fun, though, and you should 100% build her just to have for later on. Can become a powerhouse if you splurge for tutors and doublers.
>Liesa
This is my go-to Orzhov commander. You run her, all the white stax effects you can, and the black Edict effects. Lifegain and Token subtheme, running both the Lin+Dran and Teysa you have in her 99 (along with her other printing) and you jus become a menace taxing the table, killing their field, and denying their abilities. Dont fall into the trap of playing her Angel Tribal, she brings nothing to the tribe. She's a Death and Taxes commander. And if her mana cost is your big issue, swap her out for Kambal (who will 100% be in the 99 anyway). Sure, she's a 5 cost, but she will ONLY ever be a 5 cost.

>>96239642
>playing Jhoira Cheerios at a high power table
>get to sneak in a win attempt under their noses after the counter war stopped the KrarkaShima player
>Have to track tokens from 2 different creature creators, mana rocks, floated mana from rocks, mana from Birgi, treasure from Storm Kiln, storm count, and which draw/draw+discard effect I'm using when, all with Thassa's Oracle on the stack under it all
The Kinnan player got salty, and made me play it out. Izzet is not for the simple, or the weak of heart. Once you assemble your rube goldberg machine of death, you commit or you fucking die

kinan? more like GAYnan damn gottem.

>>96239709
No, I know Liesa only ever costs 5, it just seems a little late to come onto the table. EDH being the format I have interacted by far the least with, being 5 cost seems like such a downside. As for Teysa, I just assumed she was more popular then she actually was just due to the fact that there are so many lists for her on EDH rec. I dont mind buying tutors/staples, especially due to the fact that they will be in Orzhov. I know Urza is tax evasion, which is sorta the sole reason I want to play him. Rydia is more of a passion project, I just dont want to splurge for red/green fetches.

>>96239761
don't let anyone ever try to tell you a 5 mana commander is too slow. Especially when the deck they're helming is designed entirely around slowing the game down anyway. A single mana rock brings her down T4, and a Sol Ring brings her down T3. She gets automatic value, because anyone trying to remove her has to eat the 2HP hit first, and that's on top of any other stax effects you have on board.
Trust me, she's more than fine in the CZ. And, like I said, if her mana cost really irks you that much, Kambal is a side-grade that only hits noncreatures your opponents cast, while also healing you.

I have a question for aggro players
I'm brewing my first aggro deck after mostly playing control oriented strategies. Is there a certain threshold for damage benchmarks per turn you want to see in that kind of deck?

>>96239787
depends on what you're looking for in your aggro. Are we talking go-wide, constant pressure from damage? or are you looking for ramping "answer me or die" stuff? Are you leaning into voltron and looking to just tell your biggest threat to get the fuck out of your game, or do you want to actually sit and play with others?

>>96239806
Selesnya go wide. I suppose normally I would want to distribute the tokens easily so as to not be a dick, but any t1 solring player is gonna get it.

>>96239787
When you play aggro, you have to be mean. Don't spread out damage, kill a fucker. Remove them from the game. You are the board's cleaner, your job is to figure out which combo deck would win fastest if you leave them alone, and not leave them alone. There isn't really a "benchmark" for damage, except maybe that a voltron deck should be killing one person every turn starting roughly two turns before your bracket is "supposed to" win.
Also, despite being aggro, fogs are your greatest ally, it is what will allow you to win against other aggro decks.

>>96239831
In that case, I'd be looking at a cascading damage in roughly steps of 3. First 2 hits should definitely take a player down by at least a fourth of their total life, and by the time you swing out for the 4th hit, they will preferably either be dead, or have taken so much damage that they're doing whatever you say under threat of death.
Don't spread the damage around until you have AT LEAST enough on board to kill one player through blocks.

im really not sure how you'll achieve this in GW with Finneas, unless you're going Hare Apparent memes, but that's roughly what you'd be wanting.

>>96239858
>>96239862
My vision is to have a deck that is super low to the ground, and gets the commander's draw ability online t3. The ideal t1-3 for me looks like this
>Play a 1 cmc token/rabbit
>Play finneas
>Put down either a hyper efficient 3cmc generator like adeline or hop to it, or a combination of 2 and 1 drops that will get the commander online
>T4 I'll have 15 or so damage on board between the previous 10 and new counters
>T5 should have around 30 with new bodies and new counters
>While doing the above, protect the commander as a draw engine and anthem with cheeky free combat tricks

>>96239636
based

>>96239636
i run them if they are synergistic/have requirements that make them only work in that specific list
i reguarly search for lands in non green

>>96239636
My decks run at most one. The only deck that will tutor multiple times is my mono black because i keep reanimating it

Fox boi pucc commander

>>96239656
If my only goal was consistency I would be playing blue farm. So, no.

>>96238419 (OP)
>https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)
AHHHH HELP ME 4CHAN!

>>96239656
Really sick of this daily ad this guy posts here

>>96240174
report and ignore advertisement posts

My favorite MTG personality is moistkritical

>>96240226
"personality" is a stretch

What are you searching for?

>>96240412
Yavimaya or Urborg

>>96240412
The other half of my meld card.

>>96240428
gay
>>96240448
based
>>96240412
I'm turning sideways with the commander in all of my decks except my MonoU one, there I'm getting Cephalid Colosseum.

>>96239226
Anon no matter how much you type you're wrong. Make better dogshit custom cards and learn the game lol. Not a single thing you cited is even relevant here lmao are you ESL by any chance?

>>96239359
>necessity
In what world lol. Rocks are a product of an era where spells were expensive. They arent anymore (and treasures are stapled on half the good cards) stop building bad decks people.
>>96239587
Reminder ramp is not played in any format outside of like... tron and niche mono green lists.
Reminder you spend 3-4 turns doing nothing and I have a board state that can threaten victories already.

>>96239569
i hate how gavin is such a retard about mld that even shit like worldslayer and wildfire get caught in the crosshairs

>>96239111
>>96239163
Not sure, I don’t think it was a formal promise in that it was signed and notarized and whatnot but I think in some states here in the US it might open them up to a class action lawsuit.
>>96239173
You joke but I remember a few people saying they might try and sue Wizards over the banning of Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus because they were essentially holding them like stocks and the banning tanked their prices.

People bitch about powercreep and often cite big splashy cards, but let me tell you. This little nigga right here is one of the most egregious examples of recent creep. Piss easy to reanimate, and avoids the one weakness of edicts. This card has single-handedly shut down the capacity of voltron decks format-wide, and creature decks as a whole, while being babby easy to loop. This card is a net negative in the format whether you like it or not.

>>96240919
A lawsuit FROM WHO ANON? The only relevant parties in the RL agreement (emphasis on agreement) are WOTC.... and WOTC, maybe hasbro now i guess since a parent company. Breaching it would hurt goodwill, but we know nothing legal can come about from it because theyve already messed with the RL 3 times.
>banning
Cards are not securities are not subject to anything like that.

>>96240921
ngl edicts should've evaded tokens a long time ago
blue's counterspells have been destroying fragile combos since the start of edh, i don't see anything wrong with black's edicts destroying voltron

>>96240919
No lawsuit would ever work at all because Hasbro never made this agreement and also has changed the RL and they didn't act. So a judge will now ask why they didn't care before but now do. If you take 20 years to file suit, your suit is gonna be a lot weaker.

>>96239858
>roughly two turns before your bracket is "supposed to" win.
that's turn 9 for bracket 2 and turn 7 for bracket 3 btw
only two turns from that?
i have nothing against aggro, just saying infect/xenagos/kaalia/etc have been killing mofos on turn 4/5 for the longest time and you shouldn't give casuals the wrong impression that aggro should be bracket 3 only

>>96238839
Hasbro never did this. WOTC, a company that ceased to exist after it was bought, made that. WOTC only exists now as a name in hasbro. Might as well sue the current right holder of ATARI for something the atari of 1980 did.

>>96240921
people point to big splashy cards because they are the easy example.
we constantly get upgrades to old cards each set, with Aetherdrift being an extreme example. even though the overall power and set was shit, creep was still there

>>96240412
Field of the Dead, to show off my Evil Dead secret lair.

>>96240934
From players, I thought that was obvious?
>W:”We won’t reprint these cards so your cards you treat as an investment don’t lose value.”
>P:”Okay.”
>W: (Reprints cards because they are want some chase cards for a set)
>P:”You said you wouldn’t, and now the value of my cards has dropped, we’re going to get together and sue.”
Not saying it would be smart or it would even work as >>96240960 >>96240964 have pointed out, but I imagine some people would try because they’re retarded and treated trading cards as 401ks like idiots did with comics back in the day.

>>96240968
god forbid we power creep Craw Wurm, Champion's Victory, Electrify, Hired Poisoner, and Mirage Mesa

>>96240921
>This card is a net negative in the format whether you like it or not
This card is a net negative in every format whether you like it or not

what is "the one weakness" of edicts exactly? the fact that token shitters can simply sacrifice something worthless? how is this supposed to help a Voltron deck, which get hard countered by edicts either way, be it the token or nontoken kind??

>>96238727
there is also a blue enchantment that's like "whenever you target a single creature or artifact under your control with something create a nonlegendary copy"

>>96240986
It would be thrown out of court within a week.

>>96240772
>rocks bad!
>only bad decks have them!
you should see the average tymna kraum (aka the best overall deck in cedh) decklist lmao

>>96240772
>Reminder ramp is not played in any format outside of like... tron and niche mono green lists.
you know, except in Commander

>find some cEDH game with my current commander
>watch to see some new tricks I might've missed
>player makes an illegal play
>no opponent corrects him
>instantly close the video
Why are cEDH players such trash players?

>>96241114
>doesnt understand the game
>blames others

>>96241120
Wait how are you verifying he is wrong? He didn't explain anything.

What's your takeaway on this card?

>>96239198
I wish this wasn't an edit, there should be more tit monster cards

>>96241151
>8 mana
>doesnt win you the game
hot trash

>>96241114
fake: the illegal play was a new trick you missed
gay: you watched someone else play your commander

>>96240998
>what is "the one weakness" of edicts exactly?
yikes...she doesn't know!

>>96241155
nah

>>96241161
worthless and cringe

>>96240921
edict fucking up your voltron?

play sigarda!

>>96241155

I miss the old days when we had more tasteful proxies and not this ai garbage.

>>96241151
cool as shit
dont even listen to closeted cEDH players

>>96239569
Worldslayer+Wispersilk cloak on an indestructible character has caused a lot of funny scoops with my friend group

>>96241151
vorniclex voice: "PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS"

>>96241199
>cheapest listing for the playmat is at about 80$ plus 40$ shipping from the states

>>96241226
sissy hypno Karn

>>96241235
>55€ from some shmug in germany
what are you complaining about?

>>96241248
he has that chasity belt on extra TIGHT

>>96241184
>mfw play 3 different versions of Sigarda in my deck because I just like her character the best out of all the other Magic ones and her effects are pretty fucking sweet as a bonus

>>96241151
Cool art, but even in self mill idk why I'd want this.

>>96241253
>german
he probably jizzed on it

>>96241263
my favorite angel

>>96241269
>self mill idk why I'd want this
did you read the card?

>>96241263
>>96241305
>>96241184
>tfw you chose Best Girl even before they killed the others

>>96241226
I just found it funny how he was in the background for this like ok Glissa we had to go now.

>>96241057
Funny thing here is tymnakraum run less rocks than any other cedh list. But cedh is an entirely different beast they also run 28 lands.
>>96241113
>yknow except for the joke format
Improperly played in commander*. Ramping being a thing in EDH is a leftover mindset from when a decks average cmc was well over 3 usually hovering over 4 even. You can now develop a strong board with 1 2 and 3 drops and threaten your opponents who just finished ramping.

I've built Kumena twice. Once as a purely fun merfolk tribal which sucked ass, and once as a combo deck which won games but wasn't fun at all. Is there a middle ground? Merfolk that don't lose against precons?

>>96241151
you want a card like this to consistently enable a win. more often than not it's cast because the deck burnt out and needs more fuel. if your graveyard is dry it doesn't function. best case your hand is refilled with cards which haven't done much for you so far that probably wont be cast until next turn.
in a colour identity that cares about the grave you likely have better options. in mono green there are more consistent ways to refuel, recur or reach critical mass that are either more flexible or lower cost.
if it's the recursion you care about then there are not only lower cmc, but also instant speed cards that could double as interaction to protect your grave or hinder an opponents deck.
if you want the hand size increase just play a reliquary tower, in green you can tutor it no problem. alternatively, have enough mana to play the cards in your hand.

>>96241364
How does Glissa play as a commander? Seems kinda unique for monogreen, but would probably be able to do the same thing better with Ygra.

>>96241375
>Funny thing here is tymnakraum run less rocks than any other cedh list
the point is that tymna kraum uses rocks that trinketmage swears you shouldn't use for some retarded reason, shit like
>arcane signet
>fellwar stone
>talismans

>>96241416
Trinket mage is 100% correct. Rocks are useless unless its actually synergistic. Otherwise you're very likely paying for a land drop
>cedh
Most rocks cedh uses are free or mana positive and are not analogous to the casual experience.

>>96241410
Good to blow up artifacts that want to die but really mid otherwise. Liquimetal torque and things to make other permanents artifact are good too.

What are good budget lands for 3 color decks?
>just proxy
I will for a nicer build, but I intentionally want the market price of this first pass to be under $100 retail.

>>96241430
please buy an ad

>>96241435
The wedge tap lands, command tower, exotic orchard, volving wilds and cards like it

>>96241435
I don't know the special cycle names of all the lands.

>>96241151
Borb's late game finisher.

>>96241438
You've made 5 posts about him. Ive made 2 about the topic (only mentioned him once cause you kept on doing it). If im advertising intentionally why are you so much better at it lol

>>96241430
>>96241460
>got btfo
>can't dispute the fact that tymna kraum uses talismans
>doubles down like a retard
roru rumao thanks for admitting you have no games

>>96241460
Continue to do this but accept that you'll never be able to discuss him without people replying for you to get an ad or calling your him.

>>96241476
Where was i btfo anon? Cedh is
1. A different beast
2. Fraught with mana rocks that arent relevant to the casual experience and are in effect just Lands (free or mana positive)
3. Tymna kraum the strongest cedh deck literally uses the LEAST rocks which very clearly bolsters my position

Aside from the irrelevance of cedh my initial statement has NEVER been refuted. The wisdom of ramp in EDH is a product of a mindset that develop 15-20 years ago when a decks average cmc was double what it is today. It is from a time where impactful strong 1/2/3 drops were far and few between. Neither of these are true anymore. Youre welcome to ramp and I will develop a board that threatens victory
>ill just wipe!
Uhoh im playing artifacts so if you wipe me you're wiping your rocks ^.^

>>96241451
Me either, which makes it hard to find them.

>>96239286
Ive played against a deck like this. Some fat bastard whos wincons were to make everyone else scoop, or to get kicked out of the store because they were closing. Even the store owner told him to not run that BS anymore

>>96241508
>no we shouldn't include cedh because i said so!
>I SAID DON'T INCLUDE CEDH!!! WAAAAA
kekw
it doesn't matter how many rocks you use, but the quality of rocks, you're the type of guy that will kvetch over someone using signets but when i show you the strongest deck using fellwar stone you cry and deflect
roru rumao so much for your retarded take here
>>96240772

>>96241435
Go to scryfall
Look up lands with your types
Find the dual ones
Buy the cheap ones

This will take 5 minutes with slow internet. Stop being a lazy nigger.

>>96241544
retard

>>96241533
Cedh has a different mindset than casual and as a result different things are valued. These are entirely different formats there is no comparison here. Respond to my argument or you are conceding which is fine by me

>>96241551
>cedh has a different mindset because i said so!
kekw keep digging that hole maybe you'll find a sol ring there lmao

>>96241529
ngl the store owner should also be reprimanding you guys too for not being able to win against a shit deck like that

>>96241559
Casual is Smash Bros, cEDH is Mario Kart. Simple as.

>>96241435
>enters tapped unless you control 2 other lands
>enters tapped unless you control [basic] or [other basic]
>filter lands
>command tower
>basics
All you need. All my mana bases are less than $5 each

>no, see, if I overextend instead of ramping in casual EDH I'll win
>gets obliterated by a board wipe

>>96241583
casual is mtg, cedh is mtg
sorry you can't argue for shit and have no games
thankfully the casual crowd will continue to run rocks just like their cedh counterparts and if you mald over that then even better kek

>>96239569
Zurgo's best friend right there

>>96241549
Porque? You are aware dual lands under a dollar exist right?

>>96241559
>disagreeing with this
Okay.
>>96241598
Vintage and Pauper are also both mtg with wildly different mindsets. What a retard you are lmao

>>96239569
I'm putting this in spoderman.

>>96241620
there are no "mindsets", only what's allowed and not allowed
you're a retard like gavin that thinks that "intent" has something to do with anything, never mind if it's even practical to worry about it
no matter how much you kvetch every deck will run a rock as long as it furthers their game plan and you autistically clamoring for the death of rocks will be rightly ignored, because no one has time for a retarded faggot like you lol

I think "tutors lame" people are combofags. Of course your tutors are lame, you're searching up a way to end the game. Most decks I run do not have a single card that, when resolved, just ends everything because that's the faggy part.

I'm glad wizards has finally embraced that keeping keywords specific to one set (only to reuse the keyword anyways just with a paragraph of text) was a retarded idea. Even for non evergreen words.

>>96241631
Wow you actually are retarded and have just no understanding of anything. Tell me how a new format develops anon ^.^ ill wait

>>96241435
unless you're playing CEDH you don't need the most expensive shit.
just buy anything that has "tap for x y or z" or "tap for x or z" et.c. mana that enters tapped, they're usually very cheap.

>>96241639
This hasn't changed though anon. Precons arent part of the main sets.

>>96241642
>hey want to do a format
>sure let's allow X and not allow Y
>hey dude we should create a format where rocks are banned because rocks are bad anyways
>fuck u man don't be a pussy
cry more fag, people will run rocks completely ignoring you and there's nothing you can do about it :)

>>96240147
I want a new female fox commander, preferably one that isn't voltron slop.

>>96241655
Anon why would they want a format to do X and not allow Y if there wasn't a shared mindset for a desired type of game. Youre actually fucking retarded holy shit

>>96240412
Maze of Ith, maybe the new green planet to see if its actually worth running

>>96241659
I was tempted to build Light Paws, but the I realized how much shuffling I would have to do.

>>96241647
They didn't make surveil evergreen until tarkir dragonstorm, but previous sets were still using it.
EoE also has a standard card that mentions committing crimes. They put the reminder text on both, but at least I can say 'it has surveil 2' and people at my table know what that means.
Instead of having to read a big block of text only to realize "oh, they mean surveil 2".

>>96241670
>Anon why would they want a format to do X and not allow Y if there wasn't a shared mindset for a desired type of game
because i want to play broken shit but i just don't have any moxen so fuck you it aint that deep you retarded moron
>t. legacy player

>>96241635
>I think "tutors lame" people are combofags.
I don't play combos. I have nothing much against them, just not my cup of tea. My wincons are typically "turn creatures sideways". I have a Pride of Hull Clade deck that has a secondary wincon of decking itself out (and then flash out LabMan/Jace right before doing so) but combat is almost always how I aim to win

>>96241693
That is literally a MINDSET YOU FUCKING RETARD THAT INSPIRED A NEW FORMAT KILL YOURSELF YOU LOW IQ INBRED APE

>>96241680
Tons of shuffling, tons of searching. All to sit there and cross your fingers nobody exiles the board, or mass edicts and you lose on the spot. Voltron as a play style has never seemed fun to me, in any card game.
I hope whatever the next legendary fox is will be a bit more interesting.

>>96241714
>by allowing/banning things it's a mindset!
>yes everything's done with a whole ideology in mind, even though legacy was created simply because not everyone had a black lotus
roru rumao
>raging in all caps
lmao someone's malding cuz he's losing roru rumao

>>96241635
They're people who think all of commander should be bracket 1

>>96241734
nta but yes literally fucking yes I do wish games would go back to being "here's some fun stuff from my junk pile" and not "tryhard sweaty netdeck meta bullshit"

>>96241750
Even in 2010 everyone at my LGS was playing tutors. No one bitched about it, either. There were contamination locks. Mindslaver locks. Azami/Mind over Matter combo. Guys vomiting out Godo with their mana crypts.

>>96238419 (OP)
What are some cheap powerful cards to look out for?

>>96241781
I don't answer sloppers

>>96241762
Yes and? 10+ years ago every single one of my and my friends' decks were random fun cards from our collections

>>96241732
Banlists are designed for a reason anon ^.^ to capture the mindset involved!

>>96241762
>>96241812
these two anons never agreeing with each other on how edh should be played is exactly why we have brackets

>>96241750
I'd quit so, no.

What's a non-sweaty play style that's fun, but not in a gay group hug style?

>>96238820
Buy an ad

>>96241841
mono red burn chad

>>96241850
That's not just bad, but also incredibly unfun and gay.

>>96241850
Fuck yeah. There's a budget commander and a more expensive one. Both are great

>>96241824
>everything's a mindset
>everything has an ideology in mind i swear
not only are you a faggot you're a navel gazing one too, kekw no wonder nobody listens to you

>>96241860
>NOOO YOU CANNOT JUST TAKE MY LIFE AGAIN YOU HAVE TO TAPPERINO THE CREATURES ACK SAVE ME PYREXIAN PRAETOR

>>96239636
I use them because they are powerful, but I'm tempted to make a deck with no tutors, or fetch lands just to have the deck play out purely as possible.

>>96241873
I mean as the burn player, faggot.
>ok, after dealing damage to some players, let's see what I'm going to do this turn. How about play this thing that deals damage. Oh and whenever I deal damage, I deal damage. Up next: lightning bolt hahaha I'm so great

>>96241863
Answer the simple question anon. Why and how do new formats develop? Do you think they are just arbitrarily plucked out of the ether?
>ideology
What the fuck are you talking about lmao
>I want to play magic
>I want to play magic just with commons
>oh that sounds fun id also like to play magic just with commons
And thus, thanks to this mindset towards magic, Pauper was born. Your IQ no joke has to be sub 100

>>96241151
Amazing card. In my Azusa deck it's allowed me to comeback and win multiple games where I get hated on or stall out mid to late game.

>>96241873
>NOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LIKE DOING THE SAME EXACT THING EVERY TURN UNTIL YOU WIN OR LOSE!

What's a nice commander for mono white or mono black?

>>96241913
>i want to eat X
>yes that means i have a whole ideology behind it
by saying the most basic of actions is a mindset you're also showing yourself to be a disingenuous faggot and keep in mind that you're doing all this because you got btfo by tymna kraum using fellwar stone lol

>>96241940
>Darien
>Seizan

>>96241861
>play imodane
>she gets blown up
>play her again
>she gets blown up
and then she gets too expensive to play along side burn and damage boosters

What should I make for mono red, green and white? I am gonna make each deck an embodiment of each color; currently have a CEDH mono blue Kefnet spell copying/draw/counters/extra turns deck and a more casual mono black Massacre Girl, Known Killer black value engine/kills your shit deck.

Considering pic rel for mono red group burn. Don't wanna do Magda since he's a bit too competetive/costly and cheating from the deck doesn't feel very red to me.

After a disappointing performance I'll probably take this one back to the drawing board. Decided to bite the bullet and order about $15 in cheap enchantress slop that'll make the deck more consistent/interesting. Hopefully tcgplayer gets it all here before FNM; if not I don't mind playing this again. It's very good at bullying people trying to win, but has a very hard time winning on its own.

>>96242025
Alexios kinda fits red because it's just pure aggro all the time, but my group already hates him after just a few games.

>>96241946
Wow you got absolutely assraped anon and thats okay.

>>96242058
>i got assraped because i said so
lmao anyways we'll be using mana rocks and there's nothing you can do about it

>>96241940
Heliod (not that one), isamaru or sundial, arhabo khemba or brimaz
Endrek sahr, korlash, necromancer sauron, falthiss and tevesh szat
Bonus round, cloud or kain as assault suit commanders

>>96242028
Whats the commander? Mono green voltron should be able to do a lot of damage.

>>96242028
>throwing all cards on the carpet
Man, clean up your desk and kitchen table. I know, I'm in the same position, but we really should do that.

>>96242081
It's Legolas in the center there. That's why there's five billion fight spells. It's got a dearth of card draw, however, and bricks without one of its inconsistent card advantage engines.
I'm going to be cutting a fair number of them for an enchantress shell. There's a lot of 1-to-3-mana auras that self-recur. So you can slap things like Fortitude or Rancor on an opponent's creature, kill another creature, then kill the enchanted creature later to recoup the aura and get more triggers.

>>96242083
I'm a condofag and don't have a kitchen table. My work desk is over-occupied. Floor is best.

>>96242028
Whats wrong with it? Was it multiple games or just one? Hard to judge it based on a few games. Did you have any fun? Does it have potential to be fun?

>>96242104
Why don't you post it on moxfield or archidect?

>>96242107
When you get some card advantage into rotation it's fun if linear. Without a big refiller like Rishkar's or your un-tutorable best card in the deck Season of Growth, you're gonna burn out on cards really fast.

It's the rudiments of a deck I slapped together on a whim. The original deck was creatureless Nadu fights, but that's never happening again.

I got about three games in, which might not sound like much but the cracks are super obvious. I knew it'd be the case going in though. The one game where it felt good to play I had a sylvan library turn two, which is about as helpful for factoring deck consistency as saying you performed well with a Sol Ring opener. It also helped that there was an active archenemy for me to tunnel. Unfortunately a player with poor assessment killed my Legolas and then the archenemy deleted us in short order.

The other two games the deck just burnt out on cards. Swapping over to an enchantress shell shores up this gameplan, however. And makes the deck a bit more novel than cramming 18 fight spells in.

>>96242120
Laziness. I like taking a photo of the decks I build month before they get disassembled in a month or so. Just in case I want to rebuild them later.

>>96242160
>best card in the deck Season of Growth, you're gonna burn out on cards really fast.
Yep I have two commanders with that as the centerpiece. It's either king of the fucking table with it or some bracket 1 trash without it. Fuckin sucks

So this is a weird question maybe and I think I'm right and am just overthinking things, but I want to make sure while I'm debating on inclusions.
If I'm running a card that lets me, say, play a Human from deck, this Gideon technically falls under that as long as it's my turn, right?

>>96242289
No

>>96242289
No. The only planeswalker that has a creature type outside the field is the very hungry caterpillar. And that one specifically has rules text that makes it so.
And no, the flipwalkers that start as creatures don't count. They're either creatures with creature types, or planeswalkers without.

>>96240739
It took you 6 hours to read a three sentences in the CR explaining triggered abilities that cause continuous effects being different from static abilities causing them, and your conclusion was that there was no difference?
Sounds like you're the ESL anon.
Do you think that killing Selfless Squire removes the damage prevention ability? Do you think flickering Dire Fleet Daredevil causes you to lose the ability to cast the exiled card?

>>96242028
This is like my Gargos deck is Gargos was GAY NERD

>>96242289
It has to be worded like Grist if you want to tutor it as a creature.

>>96242344
>eslkun is back
I slept anon. Im sorry you dont know how to read English but you'll get gooder at it if you keep it up! Then you'll understand magics rules

>2/3s of my library has been milled and I'm behind
>Scoop
>"Why are you scooping? You can still win this I'm sure!" -millfag
Fuck.
Off.

I need a Scroll Rack in my deck but I'm not sure what to cut because I have so many meme cards it's making all the serious cards look equally good.

>>96242369
>scooping to MILL
rofl

>>96242057
I don't play with non MTG cards.

>>96242366
Anon please, this is getting silly. If you flicker Spirited Companion, do you put the card back in your library because you already used its ability?
or perhaps... you're having a little giggle with me?

>>96242369
Where's your graveyard shuffler?

>>96242391
Also in the graveyard, with all of my recursion and pieces.

>>96242355
idk if I could tolerate running a commander that costs 8 after one death and does nothing on enter.

New to Magic.
Wanted to grab the Family Matters precon to learn the game with friends.
There's a listing on eBay with 12 cards swapped that'll save me $20.
How much worse is it compared to precon?
Pic related is the decklist

>>96242402
ANON YOU FOOL WITH THAT TRIGGER ON THE STACK YOU WERE ABOUT TO MAKE HIM SCOOP!

How strong is a 5 color deck full of random planeswalkers and a handfull of select spells like board wipes, ramp and draw?

>>96239341
I hope he dies. Mostly because he hangs out with that furfag tranny, but also because he has stupid takes.

If I breach the multiverse, and mill a gaea's blessing. The breach has to fully resolve and pick all the creatures first, then gaea's blessings trigger goes on the stack, right?

>>96242477
Yes

>>96242470
Just play atraxa and skip on red. Red isn't that good in edh anyway

>>96242472
I agree. I need that twink to myself.

>>96242470
I play a 4 color version with the good atraxa that draws a shitload of cards and it's very powerful even if i'm not slamming multiple planeswalkers per turn

>>96239341
Ok boomer *plays my 4cmc commander turn 2 and runs away with the game *

>>96242303
>>96242338
>>96242357
Darn. Sorry big G, you don't make the cut in my humans deck

>>96242369
Garfield if you hate mill you can run anti mill cards!

>>96242477
>>96242482
Huh, wasn't sure if it would proc immediately mid mill to reset your yard then the mill would continue, or the mill would resolve in full and then you put everything back since I just don't play against mill decks in my pod. Neat that it's the latter

>>96242543
There's some exceptions like Blightsteel because it's a replacement effect, but in this particular instance it only protects itself.

is mill the most hated archetype? i feel like even stax gets people less pissy

>>96242595
I'd list all the following in the exact same spot of hatred


Stax
Chaos
Group Hug
Discard
Mill

>>96242595
Imagine discard but instead of making you discard 1 card everything makes you discard 10.
This is how people see mill (they are bad at the game)

>someone brings his brother
>dont worry its a causal deck
>he whaled every single legendary alt art from FF, including kendrith, juda muldotra and the rest
>whines everyone gangs on him
Universe beyond was a mistake

>>96242595
only bad players hate mill, if you really depended on that card you lost then you are shit at deck building

>>96242625
The UB aspect seems completely irrelevant to your story.

>>96242595
from most to least i would say
theft >>>>> stax > mill > discard > infect > control
im probably forgetting some other archetypes that cause seethe as well

>>96242625
>Targeted someone because they used alt art
Anon the artwork doesn't change what the card does. Sounds like your table has bad threat assessment.

>>96242625
>we bullied a whale not because he ran cedh, but because he was richer than us
oof

>>96242595
Discard is infinitely worse. You should be planning ahead for your next turn rather than deciding everything once the turn is passed to you. If someone rips cards out of your hand then your plan needs to change. You don't plan around your top 10 cards unless you're playing top deck manipulation. So, discard is always far worse and more impactful.

>>96242595
I don't mind mill the only thing that gets me mad is discard or force sacrifice decks. Mill you can just slot in like two cards that shuffle graveyard into library and call it good. Discard heavy decks or guys with a lot of annihilator effects you have to beat them to death with a baseball bat for running something so gay and lame

>>96242595
I feel mill is hated because in addition to being completely ineffectual, it uniquely boosts just one player at the table(the GY player)
Grouphug may be memeing, but atleast everyone benefits.

>>96242617
Group hug at least gives you shit and if you're confident your deck has better value you make out like a bandit. I run howling mine in my deck and I don't care about giving other people cards, I gotta play my hand ASAP and win the value game

>>96242625
That deck sounds weak as fuck, are you just playing precons?

>>96242625
sounds like kind of a shit deck, not even good stuff pile tbdesuwithyou

>>96242675
People cry about group hug because they feel like whoever won only won due to the group hug player. They treat the group hug player as a king maker ruining their games. So, the group hug player is blamed by the other two players.

I play Zedruu group hug because I can give Howling Mine to my opponent then draw twice as much to find my gay marriage combo.

>>96242625
Aren't a lot of those not that expensive? Whaled would be those surge foil no-background cards. The Sephiroth one is like 500+. 20-30 dollar cards aren't whale tier. Having a 2200 dollar lightning bolt is.

>>96242403
1. Don't let it die anon thats easy
2. Include backup wincons
3. Don't have them all out at once unless your DEMOLISHING

>>96242617
wtf is chaos?

>>96242595
stax
infect (more than one person)
group hug
discard
mil
infect (only one person)
voltron

>>96242625
Based, fuck weebsloppers.

>>96242543
Most things cannot interrupt the resolution of a spell

>>96242705
Slop has lost all meaning thanks to fags like you

>>96242403
6cmc is acceptable in green
also gargos is actually one of the best budget commanders, you'd be surprised how effective he is in practice in a casual pod

>>96242713
Personally I'm a dragon fagslopper.

>>96242713
that's exactly what someone who supports slop would day

>>96242595
People need to be put up against a Shirei control on steroid to experience true oppression.

>>96242700
Shit like this or scrambleverse

>>96242713
Nah it's being used in its proper context, low grade material for mass consumption (anime) that a certain group (weebsloppers) rush to the trough to consume just because it is that thing. The entire business model of gacha apps relies on the existence of such people.

>>96242741
Nah, it is being used generically like tranny. If you use slop you have a low IQ.

>>96242741
ok but do tell us what you like anon so we can laugh at you

>>96242700
>Zoomies don't even know what chaos is anymore
Man there used to be at least 3 people with their ebin chaos decks at every commander night.

>>96242739
>>96242700
WE'RE HAVIN FUN HERE TONIGHT, MAGGLE!

>>96242747
Weebslopper cope. I'm sorry you feel so targeted by simple facts.

>>96242748
Magic the Gathering
You are entirely justified in laughing

>>96242028
>It's very good at bullying people trying to win, but has a very hard time winning on its own.
This is unfortunately just a reality of voltron.

>>96242755
Zoomies don't know it because the deck type got hated out of the format. I have not seen a chaos deck in years. No one will play with them.

>>96240921
Pic related is word for word Return To Nature BUT you can draw a card with it. It's the best recent outright example of power creep.

>>96242764
>a self-hating nerd that can't accept magic's new direction
bwahahahahaha

>>96242735
It's weird to me that there's no "fuck your discards, fag boy" effect like that one version of Sigarda is to sacrifice. Far as I'm aware at most you have like a green creature that enters battlefield if discarded or something rather than an effect that just specifically locks it out of play against you. Most i can think of are cards that make you as the player hexproof but even that's not always an answer if the effect hits everybody

>>96242755
Most don't. I've seen retards here call coin and dice decks "chaos."

>>96242768
They're a relic of a time when turn 10 was the midgame. By their nature they slow down games way too fucking much to be acceptable in a post FIRE world.

>>96242806
But I want to slow the game down

>>96242789
This is the best one to my knowledge

>>96242768
>>96242806
that's because chaos has always been bracket 1 tier shit and it's about time people realized this

Jodah, the Unifier is a kill on sight good or bad art

>>96242818
>An archetype which doesn't try to win, but render the game into an unplayable state is bracket 1
No shit

>>96242645
should have builded using brain instead of wallet

>>96242830
From my point of view, every commander is a kill on sight.

>>96242484
>>96242506
Oh shit. I see there is one with proliferate.
>#2 planeswalker right now
Oh. Figures.

>>96242836
>we bullied a whale not because he was good at edh, but because we didn't like how he was flaunting his alt arts right in front of our poor faces
bruh lmao

>>96239729
Best thing after 15 minutes of try to do math, he missed lethal, tapped out and used all his hand, even forgetting prowess trigger from artifacts and all he could said was "stop talking to me im trying to think"
Of course he was an arena baby newcomer, turns out playing it outisde digital is not that easy

chaos is like group hug in that 90% of the people playing it didnt even have a wincon and were just trying to be ebic memelords spamming shit like warp world that made the game take forever without advancing the state at all and thats why it was hated out

>>96242836
>builded

>>96242595
Combo is the most hated universally. Timmy usually hates mill if he hasn't played a lot of combofags. Timmy will revile discard if he ever runs into a dedicated Discard deck.

Tergrid was my first powerful deck I made and after a few times my friends asked me not to play it anymore. When the new Tinybones dropped I put the feelers out to see if they'd mind that instead of Tergrid (since my deck had just been sitting there for years) and they polite told me in no uncertain terms they'd bust my bussy if I brought a discard deck back.

>>96242836
Holy brown hands Batman

Discard is fine if it is optional like painful quandry or Eggman

>>96242625
Holy salty reactions, UB really brought the worst from Reddit into the game.

>>96242894
>look how retarded I am
>the fuck? Why are you and your homo playgroup being so retarded?
>look how salty these reactions are!
K

If this is small, what about bigpox?

There is nothing better that using my budget theft deck and always aim for the tryhard bringing all the $50+ cards

>>96242894
The mind process of a teenager

>>96242904
>get a bunch of cards that do nothing because the deck is synergistic

>>96242903
you mean pox?
God pox is a weird card. I'm pretty sure it's the only card in magic, or one of very few, that uses thirds.

>>96242789
Madness was a shit attempt to make an anti-discard mechanic. It should've been perma-exile with a counter that lets you cast it sorc speed. As is it's a useless mechanic stuck on a bunch of weak monsters.

>>96242915
This is never the case
Whenever there's a wild budget imbalance to the local meta's expectations, its always one retard loading up on expensive staples with no sense.

I cast Cyclonic Rift

>>96242924
Here you go anon. Search for your doctor

>>96242930
i used to play that with gatecrash lazav
fun times

Remains a gigabrain card til this day.

>>96242936
Can I not? I don't want to deal with my fucking insurance today.

>>96242936
Thanks Anon, I needed that anthem for lethal!

>>96242930
>welcome to the ricefields motherfucker

>>96242943
>discard player can't gain any bonuses if I can't discard any cards!
>he scoops because his wincon is ruined
gg 2ez

>>96242943
>counters your one with nothing

>>96242789
Discard isn't a prevalent enough archetype in any competitive formats to warrant it.

>>96242921
>It should've been perma-exile with a counter that lets you cast it sorc speed
I have been saying this for well over a decade. Madness, while it has its place, was half-baked at best

>>96242470
Sisay lets you tutor your walkers to the field.

>>96242973
>>96242985
Huh that actually could work in a really funny way as a combo until you get absolutely blown the fuck out by artifact hate

>>96242985
would

>>96242973
>I have a hand?

>>96242789
>>96242987
That's because discard ends up banned when it's good because it's so cancerous. There's a few early cards aimed at countering discard but they were comically weak and don't work against any Duress effect.
It's like manaless dredge which had the worst play pattern imaginable. You open LotV and you win, or you don't and you lose. That's the whole game.
There's some indirect discard protection like Leyline of Sanctity, but those don't work against the type of discard used in EDH.

Discard is genuinely a design mistake and it's honestly a mystery why card games keep trying to replicate it when it has never created a healthy play environment even a single time. Hand disruption cards have been routinely banned or massively errata'd in basically every game that tried them and didn't die entirely from it.

>can grab stacks of foil full art lands for 50 cents a pop
My favorite part of Magic entering its slop era. Un set full art flexers in shambles.

>>96243096
>omg full art basics!
Youre part of the problem buddy
Go buy foil lorwyn basics like a fucking man

>>96243096
that'll be 17 dollars shipping
plus tax
plus tip
plus tariff

>>96242952
What kind of dogshit theft deck is running this card

>>96243096
>I have no taste!
weird flex

Incoming best new basic lands

>>96243121
Wx theft

>>96243123
I tap my piss mountain and bolt you
>>96243115
I still have a few of these but not a playset. And I am autistic about all of my basic lands being the same for a deck.

>>96243133
>capeshit
>good
ok

>>96243154
>real world places are good
Yes. I also like the euro lands.

>>96243159
>New York is real
Grim.

>>96243169
Not for much longer by the looks of things. The city's government seems hellbent on dissolving the city.

>>96243149
Boy youre not autistic youre a full blown retarded philistine if you think that an Un arts are same level

>>96243159
>jew york
>good place to visit, let alone own cardboard with drawings of it
doesn't compute

>>96243159
>real world = good
explain

>>96243186
Could you show me where I said that, retard-kun?

>>96243181
>spend 300 years race mixing
>end up going full retard and destroying themselves
I'd feel sorry for Americans if they weren't brown.

>>96243208
>weebspeak
concession accepted

remember battles

>>96243222
Its an anime website. Cope, tourist.

>>96243191
I do find it moderately hilarious that, if spidey existed, the average new yorker would fucking HATE him since he sides with the cops.
Like the whole J. Jonah Jameson hating Spider-Man would likely be the stance that most of the new york media paints him as, though he's definitely also racist somehow.

>>96243221
I mean, Europe seems to have decided that 300 years is too slow and wanna do it in like, 30.
And they're winning.

>>96243227
Took me a long time to take this out of my deck. Its a very shit card, but I loved it as a pet card for some reason.

>>96243237
Who said anything about Europe, muttanon? Deflecting wont remove the melanin from your skin.

>>96243244
Euros are the only ones that will unleash such seethe over America existing completely unprompted.

>>96243255
I see you've never met a Somalian

>>96243227
I like them in blink decks because no one has any way of targeting them outside of "any permanent"

>>96243259
Well I've never been to Sweden so why would I?

>>96243255
I'm not European, and calling me one won't cleanse your blood.

>>96243181
Seems more like the feds want to do that because they are big mad New York won't vote how they want.

>>96243229
And Amazon is a book website.

>>96243305
Yeah youre right, whining about anime on 4chan is like whining about books on Amazon. Its retarded.

>>96243318
I would not call it a book store, no.

>>96243292
Dude, one of their leading candidates in their mayoral race is/was a communist in all but name. He unironically proposed state owned grocery stores, which literally never fucking work and have been proven to never work over and over and over again.
Not to mention that New York has been on a downward trajectory for years at this point and the new administration just flat out can't be responsible for any reasonable amount of the decay.

>>96243230
>though he's definitely also racist somehow.
nothing wrong with this.
if spider man was real in current newyork, he shot/mogged within a week.
>inb4 muh spider senses
nah

>>96243353
He'd be portrayed by the media as racist as a smear thing, not that he's actually racist.
And also, being able to dodge bullets is like, one of the main fucking reason spider senses exist conceptually. He's also really fucking strong and could probably bend a mugger's knife if he felt like it. Or at least he used to be back when the comics weren't ass and the writers didn't... despise him for no reason.

>>96243144
>token spam anthem card
>theft deck
Yeah I dont think this hypothetical fag deck is winning any games

>>96243229
It is an anime website but you still speak like a faggot

Is little sidisi any good in a big sidisi deck? The strict mana cost restriction kind of sucks, but I figure worse case scenario you use your tokens to get cryptbreaker back.

>>96243325
If believing that cope keeps dads .45 out of your mouth, you so you buddy

>>96243389
Amazon is a general store for numerous things. It is a book store no more than TARGET is.

>>96243383
she cute

What colors would he be?

>>96243133
>basic land
>forest
>it's a densely populated residential zone in a megalopolis with some trees on the side

>>96243518
Should have been central park

>>96243514
clearly black/red/blue

>>96243514
Esper

>>96243514
Jeskai or Azorious

Return to Lorwyn
Return to Strixhaven
Unknown UW set
That's all the sets that are known for next year, right?

>>96243567
MH4? MH comes every two years, right? Not confirmed. Just me guessing.

>>96243500
She's kinda ugly but still smash

>>96243514
You phrase this like he won't be in whatever eventual DC slop we get.

>>96243514
>favors individual action rather than collective action
B
>holds to a strict moral code to combat evil
W
>Superior intellect and strategic capabilities
U

>>96243603
>refuses to achieve shit at any cost
absolutely not B

>>96243578
I thought wotc was getting rid of modern product. That's why they decided to make spiderman, fin, et all standard legal.

>>96243610
It doesn't have to be totalizing "at all cost" to be black. The individuality is enough to make him black.

>>96243633
It really isn't. Black would kill to achieve its goal. Batman would not.

>>96243514
mono black for the rare version, dimir for mythic
superman will be mono white (rare) red/white/blue (mythic)

What did they mean by this

>Max file size is 8mb
Is that a /tg/ exclusive thing or did they bump the file size limit?

>>96243714
Probably to allow for PDFs

>>96243718
I thought they disabled those after the hack, since thats what allowed it in the first place

>>96243729
They did say "they'd eventually come back", pretty sure it was only flash uploads that were permanently going to be disabled

>>96243748
>>96243748
>>96243748

Anyone here play flubs the fool? what are the combos?