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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ
Have you made fun of someone for running mana rocks today?

>>96243748 (OP)
That art is AI

>>96243748 (OP)
>Have you made fun of someone for running mana rocks today?

No. Not planning on it, either. Just don't cry when I board wipe or remove them. My Acidic Slime is coming down whether you like it or not.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

Sugg on deez

>>96243767
And yet the best art of the card

>played three games with three different decks
>decks got to do the thing every game
>won _____one game
Feels good, man.

I CAST POT OF GREED

>>96243835
I like the white hand fine and the bat one is cute.

>>96243899
hands are ugly as is the bat one

I want to build the most resiliant bullshit stax deck to fuck over all the combo/ramp players out there. I got a bunch of the cards and I think Esper is the way to go. What commanders should I look at? Thinking about going with the classic Chromium.

>>96243893
Rhysticfag hates this card.

>>96243921
But what does trinket mage think?

>>96243911
you could also go for an actual classic that works like Sen Triplets

>>96243930
you mean trinket FAG? lmao gottem

>>96243893
If I see this card I'll ripping it up, since 99999/100000 it's a proxy being used by a miserable faggot

>>96243911
Grand arbiter is THE stax commander

>>96243952
Uh oh we got a stinky draw 10 cards per turn baby here.

>>96243952
But what if this is the proxy?

>>96243974
doesn't matter, proxyfags have no sense of restraint and they inevitably devolve into some kind of retarded cedh pod

>>96243959
>mfw see conqueror's flail and think it's just an equipment bro that doesn't want his higher cost beatsticks countered when they come to play but when I see Arbiter I instantly want to kill that player on sight because I know he's going to do something really fucking annoying to either me as a player or my goal as a deck
They're the same fucking card basically but one becomes public enemy 1 to me the instant I see it in play.i think it's autism

If I see this card I'll ripping it up, since 99999/100000 it's a proxy being used by a miserable faggot

>play izzet
>never have creatures, and won't block if I do because they are all combo pieces
>take 30 minutes to just pass the turn
>play gruul
>have big stompy bois by turn 5 guaranteed, close out the game by moving to combat on turn 6
The disparity between color combos is huge.

>>96243748 (OP)
>Have you made fun of someone for running mana rocks today?
No, because I am not a youtuber with a huge ego

>>96243996
Grand Arbiter (Augustin IV) != Grand Abolisher

>>96243995
sounds to me like you are too poor to compete with proxyfags. it's okay to be poor tho, you just demonstrate how flawed a game is where you can shit all over other players just because you have more money. proxyfags really hold up a mirror to all the people who think this dogshit game is well designed in any way.

>>96243911
Black really doesn't add much to stax unless you're doing graveyard hate

Remember to always bully out paypigs from your pod

>>96244050
>you just demonstrate how flawed a game is where you can shit all over other players just because you have more money.
oh no, anon realized mtg is a pay to win game from the very beginning...
anyway!

>>96244103
it's almost like you forgot that there for a second, good think proxyfags will eternally remind you

>>96243936
>Sen Triplets
I don't want something so overt that it will get me immediately targeted at the table. I'm already going to be playing Esper.

>>96244118
>assuming i can't proxy back
if you want to play cedh just say it
i'm perfectly fine proxying full power because that's what proxying inevitably leads to anyway lmao

>>96244122
>sen triplets will make me a target!
>but this winter orb will fly under the radar 100%, trust
lmao

What would be a good/fun commander to run a bunch of bounce spells and things like Cowardice? I was thinking Vivi but I doubt he sticks to the table

Proxyfags are the reason the LGS charges money for basics

>>96244143
wotc selling product to walmart didn't exactly help the lgs

Chains isn't even a pay to win card, it's just pay to be mildly annoying for a turn or two at most before it's removed

>>96244143
Mine doesn't. Sucks to have a sucky shop.

>>96244125
>i'm perfectly fine proxying full power because that's what proxying inevitably leads to anyway lmao
but that's wrong
the majority of retards playing high power decks are paypigs

>>96244122
alela, zur, aminatou, halfdane/the other dane, friggin' silas renn/rebbec

>>96244143
I was forced to buy some basics when the lgs owner saw me pinching them from the land station, what has this world come to brehs

>>96244135
niv mizzet unironically

>>96244166
at least proxy full art snow-covereds then

>>96244162
Most people playing high power decks with "real cards" are using Chinese bootlegs

>>96244162
don't look now but cedh is just about the most welcoming to proxies for obvious reasons
>the more casual and uncompetitive you are the more likely you buy real product, why do you think FF sold well lol

>>96244125
Most retarded argument.

Player spending is a bell curve
>Low power
Buys one precon
>Midwit power
Buys real cards insisting that he's playing at the "fair" power level despite maxing out his budget for every upgrade. It's okay he's Rhystic and TOR because he needs to wait a few months to upgrade the rest of his deck.
>High power
Proxies

>>96244205
Bait or retardation?

>>96244162
Kinda depends. High power casual decks are definitely paypig territory whereas cedh is a very pro proxy scene

>>96244215
Well players always try to play at maximum power and never exercise any self-control, so yes.
If you're poor or new, you're low power.
If you're invested by spending your paycheck every month on the game, you're mid power.
If you proxy, you're high power.

>>96244201
proxyfags in full denial itt kek
>>96244225
astute observation king

>>96244248
I care not for the whimperings of the poor.

>>96244248
what debate?
proxyfags can proxy all they want, no one's stopping them
it's them kvetching over being called poor (true) and lacking restraint (also true) that's the issue, because where's the lie?

you guys are proxying wrong

>>96244256
>>96244254
Wow you both need real hobbies

>>96244261
>replying to very blatant trolling

>>96244266
>>96244261
>Seething poors

>>96244143
I have never seen an lgs charge for basics unless they are full arts or old borders and even most old borders ones were free until a few years ago

>>96244261
>proxyfag telling people to do "real" things
>oh NOW "authenticity" matters when it suits them
Absolute cinema

>>96244143
Oh no, imagine having to shell out five whole cents for a basic! The humanity!!!

>the paypig poorfag autist seething about getting owned by proxychads is back
I'm grateful every day that my life is not this miserable lmao

The LGS hasn't caught onto my scheme where I proxy basics then sell them to the LGS at massive profit!!!

>>96244225
>buy expensive cards
>its midpower
>proxy expensive crads
>its high power
Hmm

>>96244304
>btfo so badly he can't give a (You)
The passive aggressiveness is a sign of low T and below average discretionary spending lol

>fake cardboard vs real cardboard argument
>again
I HATE RERUNS

>>96244315
To the proxyfag, even something as benign as shocklands is "expensive"

cleaning up my ashling deck, and im making some cuts to swap in better gas. got a quick question:
the mana generated by Jaya, which can only be used for Isntant/Sorc, keeps that restriction even when banked with Ashling and floating around for like 4 turns later, right?

>>96244256
This is the truth nuke they will fight to the grave against.

>>96244335
yes, if the mana has a restriction, keeping it around doesn't cause it to lose that restriction. including if it changed colors (horizon stone).

>paypig poorfag can't keep himself from replying to every post making fun of him
that shit must really get to him...

>>96244350
good to know. was wanting to be sure, since i remembered jeweled lotus had some shenanigans that made it playable in legacy, where they cleaned up the mana it generated

>>96244352
I don't even know who you are talking about, but not replying directly just makes you look like the actual butthurt retardfag

>>96244352
>>96244357
>it's actually true
holy shit lmao

>>96244315
Yes! Exactly!
>Rhystic Study (real)
Mid-power fun magic
>Rhystic Study (proxied)
cEDH tryhard shit

>>96244370
Desperate.

>>96244352
>>96244370
I wfh so btfo out of butthurt proxyfag while working is fine with me, in a way i get paid for doing so
Here's a (You), and dont worry thats real and not a proxy hahahha

>>96244372
Post decklist so we can laugh at you

>>96243748 (OP)
Traded this SL drop with my friend for a City of Traitors.

>paypig poorfag literally can't stop himself
I sometimes wonder if he even owns a single deck, he never posted one before

I will keep buying real cards and I will keep making slop proxies.

>>96244434
>real cards
and by that, I hope you mean old frame

>>96244396
https://archidekt.com/decks/15015346/my_real_deck_no_proxies
This is 100% of my budget, notice how honest it is.

>>96244434
double cringe

>>96244445
>salt sum: 63.36
if that was a proxy deck, I would reply to your mother in her sleep

>>96244432
we outed shao jun as a no-deck, wouldn't sdurprise me if this guy is too

>guy counters my far seek t2
>damn, I needed red
>’mana is a personal problem lol’
>6 turns later, he’s about to win
>strip mine 4 of his lands
>wait for him to tap out on my endstep
>pyroblast urza
>’wow, you are a faggot’

>>96244467
There's 4 different dudes that run her, gotta nail the rest as well

>>96244327
We can argue about basic lands again if you prefer.

>>96244327
We can do anti-mill next if you'd like

>make a deck for fun, casual games
>no boardwipes, no spot removal, just defensive counterspells, and protection

If you are the kind of player who tries to put the entire enemy boardstates into the graveyard/exile every game, maybe you aren't as casual as you think you are.

any advice for my casual mono red burn/spells list? I'm trying to keep it low bracket, and it obviously has the main problems every red deck has with every draw being impulse or looting.
>https://archidekt.com/decks/12641943

>>96244327
It will happen over and over again because proxyfags are so desperate to validate their nonsense

>>96244494
>>96244500
Argue about MLD again at least that one is funny sometimes

>>96244483
>multiple strip mines isn't MLD!

He is right, you are a faggot.

>>96244483
You already know what your response should have been

>>96244513
>I NEED bloodmoon to beat precons!
It not funny anymore

>>96244327
proxies are a necessary evil in a board game where you have to pay hundreds of dollars for board game pieces made out cardboard produced on an industrial scale by a multi-million dollar company
>>96244494
more liked based lands
>>96244500
milling yourself is just extra draw
milling everyone is just another combo tactic

NEXT

>>96244513
Everybody knows gavin is a pussy and is too spineless to just put the MLD he hates as GCs, especially when aura shards somehow made it there

>>96244513
Blood Moon is not MLD because the nonbasics still supply red mana. If you disagree you're wrong

>all of this just because someone doesn't want to play against Chains of Meph
Drawing cards is one hell of a drug.

>>96243952
Oh im sorry faggot cant speak talian? Fabrizi cappacino niga?

>>96244537
Unfortunately, your opinion doesn't matter, and it was declared by name.

>>96243952
and that single 1 is a poster in our thread

>>96244563
VOLARE
OH~OH
DOPPIO ATTACCO
OH~OH~OH~OH!

>>96244513
QUICK IS STASIS MLD YOU HAVE 1 SECOND TO REPLY

>>96244598
Since winter orb is, yes.

>>96244570
Oh hey there I am >>96244563 didn't even see >>96243911
I vote JUND. If you dint actually play Smokestacks it doesn't count

>>96244617
Someday I'm going to own a tabernacle.

Bros

>>96244285
What the fuck are you talking about i very clearly aimed my statement at people on both sides who attacked some guy who mentioned the discussion. You all need hobbies!

>>96244678
Backside art is mediocre and you're gonna play her flipped 95% of the time.

>>96244448
Double the cringe, double the fun

>>96244625
I own 10.

>>96244704
10 proxies maybe.
Unless you rip one in half to show the blue core I won't believe you.

>>96244612
I didn't mean you, but I guess that means we have TWO authentic Chains players in our thread. Statistical anomaly, but this deck looks cool as fuck, tell me about how it plays.

>>96244708
My proxies work just fine

>>96244612
Interesting. Never thought of Jund for that. What's some of your wincons?

>>96244709
The token/stacks package protects the ground and lets you get a backup gameplan of just fucking attack.
Disruptors like chains/3ball go a log way in stalling out to either do the tokens plan or find 1 of 2 combos, foodchain or chatterfang soultender.
It doesnt have a main point of failure outside of being focused if the combo players don't respect each other and let me keep them in line and just has the jund resilience built in. I want each card to have multiple outs in the deck, it's only as powerful as the pod is

>>96244713
>i have 10
>they're proxies
That's a contradiction in terms.

>>96244763
>I want to own a tabernacle not to use it
This is a thread about using cards

>>96244700
>Double tits, double cringe, double fun, got dubs

>>96244768
>Not use it
Where was that said?
Retard.

>>96244768
You can't use a card if you don't own it.
>ancient Chinese proverb

>>96244793
>you wouldn't download a card

Honestly a good generic removal on a stick that can help certain colors removing specific things that they aren't good at.

>>96244862
>8 cost
I mean, I understand what your saying in a pinch, but 8 mana isn't exactly a good cost for a removal.

>>96244887
Your mana rock?

>>96244598
no the mana isnt being denied if they never tap out ;)

Are bounce lands worth it? They feel kind of jank.

>>96245000
Depends on your brew. Landfall deck would love to have more triggers.

proxies should be 100% allowed
all cards over 5 dollars should be banned
there I fixed literally everything

>>96245000
theyre ok in landfall decks but otherwise they are generally not worth it

>>96244862
this is just a shittier Meteor Golem
>too much P/T to be cheat reanimated by Terra/Alesha
>Too expensive to hard cast
>Gives the opponent a consolation prize
Unless you're playing this for free off of omniscience/Ugin.affinity, just play the golem.

>>96245000
in budget lists where being behind a turn, yeah. Landfall fucking adores them as well. And there's more than a few combo lists that have lines that need them.

archelos/wandering minstrel/landtax type cards say hello

>>96245009
So... The expensive cards you want to proxy are banned?

>>96245017
I proxy 10 cent cards

>>96245009
>Cards over 5 dollars are banned
>Everything that is good ends up becoming more wanted, which drives up the price and causes them to be banned, repeat several times, causing the original cards to no longer be banned, which drives up the prices causing them to be banned
>Have to check daily if your deck is legal or not
>This is fixed

>>96245036
>he doesn't make a new deck every week

>>96245009
penny dreadful edh soon

>>96245036
>Go to an event
>Almost no game actually finishes because decks are disqualified mid game for no longer being legal

>>96245009
>proxies should be 100% allowed
They are, WOTC doesn't care so long as you aren't using them in a sanctioned event.

>>96245060
>WotC only care when they should care

I haven't played Magic in about a year

Lorebro, did any of the praetor actually survive at the end?

>>96245104
Urabrask had all his limbs cut off but intentionally left alive.
Vorinclex had his head cut off, but can regenerate from that so he's ambiguous, the other three are 100% dead

>>96245104
WOTC never 'really' kills off characters. They'll be some weird time warping shenanigans that bring them all back if the writers think its worthwhile.

>>96245104
Death is merely a setback for MtG characters.

No one ever really dies

>>96245012
There's a lot of cases where the cityscape leveler is better

>>96245146
Yawg and Urza are still fully, completely dead.

>Oko, Even Worse
>GUR
>Legendary Creature - Elf Rogue
>Nonbasic lands are Elks (they are 3/3 green Elk creatures and lose all other types and abilities)
> 3/3

>>96245183
I want red to lean harder into price of progress effects, rather than land destruction with extra steps.

>>96245183
technically I think this is only red green.

>Jin Gitaxias, Somehow Returned
>3BBBB
>Legendary Creature - Cephalid Rogue
>Cumulative Upkeep - Target opponent gains control of target nontoken permanent that you control
>At the beginning of each opponent’s upkeep, gain control of target permanent that player control
>2/8

>>96245273
>*3UUUU

I can't wait for more MLD in precons.

>>96245276
*3BlUeBlUeBlUe

>>96245292
Not MLD :)

>>96245292
Landfall players are going to have some words with Gavin.

Anyone here play flubs the fool? what are the combos?

>>96245319
https://commanderspellbook.com/search/?q=card%3D%22Flubs%2C%20the%20Fool%22
First spoon-feed is free

>nooo you can't just play a 400€ bracket 3 gruul deck, I only have one deck for that bracket and I hate it
>no problem bro, I'll just switch on 4 or 5 cards and it's a €200 bracket 2 deck
>thanks bro that's cool with me, cool deck btw. anyways, I open with fetch into shock, mana crypt and leyline of anticipation

>>96245000
Absolutely worth it in any deck that plays channel lands or MDFCs.

>>96245373
>Mana Crypt
Oh no...

>>96245373
>mana crypt
tee hee

>>96245373
>This was the strongest b2 opener he could think of

>>96243974

If I'm understanding this correctly, if you play this and then cast Windfall you just all discard your hand and draw zero cards and mill that many instead? Seems annoying as fuck lol

>>96244256
This whole
>if you proxy you're poor!
non-argument is going beyond cringe and into genuine derangement territory, autismo.

>>96245420
>responding this late
>with cope

>>96245428
Sorry I'm not chronically online like you are Mr Moneybags.

>>96245438
So you are just admitting you're poor?
Glad that's settled.

>>96244494
i fucking hate paying for restrooms in europe, fuck you holland

>>96245473
Better than having to go to the counter of some store to tell the cute goth girl behind the counter you need the key to take a massive shit like I have to do in America.

>we may never get reprints or proper back stories for these niggas

I'm sad.

>>96245491
Intet and Vorosh fucked because they are GAY
Oros is a RACIST CHUD
Teneb just wants to grill (farm)
Numot is very autistic

>>96245491
Shouldn't this be
>When this enters or attacks
Kinda cringe ngl

>>96245413
99% of the time if somebody is wheeling in commander its to troll or kill you.

I do in fact proxy because I can not afford to buy all the staples in all colors.
I'll still beat any deck you can throw at me.
Problem?

>>96245575
>I'll win when I cheat
Riveting.

>>96245596
>pretending to have money is cheating
>winning while not having money is cheating
what do you figure is the way to formulate this that isn't "get out of my country club"

>>96245641
>>pretending to have money is cheating
Yes. Deal with it.

>>96245156
I mainly use the card in jaxis where
>I can copy it to give it haste
>I have lots of natural haste enablers for the real one to attack the turn it appears
>I can discard it to jaxis/red draw and discard spells to buy it back later
Card is a beast in that deck, one of my only outs to a painful enchantment in mono red. If you've got a couple additional synergies I think cityscape is worth it.

Refine bracket 3 into a fun format

>>96245012
>Meteor Golem
Just a shittier Spine of Ish Sah

>>96245667
I use it my in Jaxis deck too. Also in The jolly balloon man. If you can give it haste in a deck where you are cloning it repeatedly it's suddenly becomes very worth it

Path to Enlightenment
W
Instant
Exile target creature. Its controller draws a card.

>>96245669
Define fun

>>96245479
white doesn't need a third sword, that'd be like saying they should print a new pyroblast

>32 historic cards in the 99
Worth running?

>>96245764
Would be worth running with half that many desu

sword of me and you

>>96245843
She's not coming back

>commander game with randos at the LGS
>everyone revealing their commanders pre game
>guy very proudly shows off his sephiroth commander
>guy across from him audibly groans
>few other people around giggle, me included
>witness all hope and joy drain away from his face
>he plays silently for the rest of the session
>first to die, gets utterly bodied by a colorless players blightsteel
>packs up and leaves
Maybe there's hope for the commander community still...

Sword of Ugin and Bolas
Sword of Gayness and Dragons

>>96245854
it's been 14 years....

>>96245859
Cringe post that never happened

>>96245859
>guy who says he's new sit down at our pod
>whips out sephiroth
>know exactly what will happen because I play Gut aristocrats
>both seph and me down to <10 life
>kill the other two players with a birds of paradise because they pissed me off all game with their retarded "hurr only flyers can attack" shit
>pass to seph, who proceeds to durdle a bit so he sac two creatures to kill me
>the other two players didn't even comment on his win and left the store for a smoke after I killed them
he will learn soon enough that nobody really cares about what aristocrats do, it's always the same

>>96246005
aristocrats is the worst deck theme to play against, its so fucking boring to watch. its worse than izzet storm durdling, which at least has the upside of hearing the player utter deranged shit like "I'm going to copy this spell fourteen times"

>Commander game with randos at the LGS
>Sign up for a game, someone at the counter forgot to pay for their basics so the store owner shoots them
>Another guy with raggedy clothes shows up and hastily pulls out a Plains with the words "JUZAM DJINN" hastily scribbled on it in marker. The store owner kicks him out because he's clearly homeless and too poor to play MtG
>Third guy shows up, after lamenting his mulligan not being very good, he plays a Demolition Field on his first turn, and is immediately vaporized by the store owner's laser eyes for using MLD

>>96246039
I often wonder how people manage to type in 4chan.org/tg, filter for /edh/, then click on the correct EDH thread and make a successful post, when all they wanted was to go to reddit

Will the darkness crystal stop me drawing cards when massacre girl mercs something?

>>96246056
yes

>>96246056
yes, its a replacement effect. it also stops the OG massacre girl from popping off

>>96246056
Yes

>>96246060
>>96246065
>>96246086
Brutal. Traded for it cus it seemed neat. If it didn't it'd be a easy include...

So this commander Really came and went, huh?

>>96246106
>mardu commander
>flash in the pan
You didn't expect anything else, did you? There's only one playable mardu commander.

>>96246106
>came and went
just like what i did to ur mom last night.

>>96246106
He's fucking boring. Mardu can be so much better

Alesha (Death), Alesha (Fate), or Terra (Hope)?

>>96246106
He's probably still the most popular precon commander at my LGS, doesn't seem like a flash in the pan to me yet

>>96246179
I don't believe you. I've seen games where 2-3 players are playing Y'shtola.

>>96246106
Why would I play him over someone like Krenko or Anim Pakal?
For some draw that people won't ever let you have by just letting it hit you

>>96246106
>create a giant army with krenko or something who cares
>full swing with everything
>sac all tokens to whatever free outlet to mass drain the table after combat
Seems kinda neato senpai

>>96246229
Alternate future:
>Krenko
>Win because Krenko

>>96246243
You're not wrong, but man I'm just so bored of token spam just for the sake of it. I wanna do something different than just "create 50+ tokens okay everything attacks"

>>96246203
>I don't want you to draw so I'll take 20 damage
ok

Which of these, if any, would you run in a Jenova deck?

>>96246250
>20 damage
>from a single 1/1 token.

>sup, can I play with your pod? I have this saga de-
no

>>96246258
Glissa bros? Our response?

>>96246187
There's like 3 guys with Yshotlas and 5 guys with Zurgo at my LGS. I don't think I've seen such a popular precon at my LGS since the LCI dinos one.

>>96246258
As someone with Narci sagas, I completely understand. Even swapping out a bunch for the new FF cards I still understand

>>96246256
>equipment in jenova
only two come to mind, I don't know their names rn:
>living weapon one that gives a creature infect
>sac creature for 3 mana

>>96246268
why did she go from 50 cents to 15 dollars bros... I wanted to build the cute chocolate enchantress...

What deck archetypes would you rank highest for fun for you vs highest rank for fun for table?

>>96246256
In my Jenova deck I run
Swiftfoot
Lightning greaves
Hand of vexna
Black blade reforged
Gigantiform(aura but it fits the same purpose)

out of your list I think runed stalactite is interesting, loxodon Warhammer is a maybe, bonehoard is a maybe as well but I don't know
The rest seem not worth.

>>96246292
Theft is max fun for me.
Group hug is the most fun for the table, despite it killing them in the end.

>>96244166
>.25c for basics
anon go to a different store, should be .10c MAX

I'm glad more people are talking about Jenova, she immediately stood out to me as interesting but I feel people sleep on her hard. The deck has a ton of potential and you draw a ton of cards

>>96246337
>Play Daemogoth
>Give it +1/+1 and turn it into a mutant
>Sac it
>Draw 12 cards
>discard all of them
Where did I go wrong...

>>96246249
I'm tired too anon. I'm tired too. We need more Ghostly Prisons in the wild to discourage this but it's a card I see people constantly cutting "because it won't stop the hypothetical voltron player"

>>96246337
dunno about high brackets, but she is incredibly OP in lower ones. I thought I can just remove her bullshit out of turn so she doesn't draw a million cards, but she ALWAYS has it (protection)

>quickly build a janky wall deck with pic related
>end up wining half the games of the night in my pod
Bros, I think I might be on to something. Commander damage did it, too.

>>96246106
It's a solid bracket 3 commander that dropped in a set full of pushed dragon nonsense which does much better being in the 99 of a fair Isshin deck. There's nothing to talk about, it's perfectly acceptable for what it's built for. What else do you want?

>draft up ojer axonil burn deck
>looking at the deck laid out it just doesn't look fun to play
I still want to do something burn/aggro though. Pic rel feels more fun, and more interactive with the opponents boardstate too.

>>96246365
>Draw 12 cards
>discard all of them
Damn you gave me an idea for a "discard group slug" kinda deck but this dude seems to be the only one out there

>>96246456
I run her, she's fuckin awesome with big "pay X mana for X damage" cards with a damage doubler out (since it quadruples the damage). If game start running long I'll drop a Star of Extinction and the game usually ends the turn after that. Keep in mind she turns into kill on sight VERY fucking quickly. A neat combo with her is playing a burn spell with Neheb, the Eternal out in the first main phase, then getting like 15+ mana to dump into an X damage spell after combat

>>96246481
Yeah she seems dope for shit like that. I like the idea of actually killing my opponents shit with bolts/etc and getting free damage around the table off of that, and still swinging in with the boys like it's BO1 arena.

>>96246456
>>96246481
It seems like she's open to a lot of shenanigans.

>>96246116
That's not the new Combo Queen of Mardu, though

>>96246164
Terra. Wider reanimation pool. fills the grave herself, don't have to risk what you bring back in an attack, and a less restrictive cost to reanimate. Flying is also much better than First Strike, and she's cuter.

That being said, both Alesha should be in the 99 of Terra anyway

>>96245135
>mfw all the named angels but Sigarda have been dead for years and so is Gideon and they are like 99% not coming back

>>96246655
Liesa is still around. She and Liesa are both back to protecting Innistrad, just like they used to before Avacyn was created and ruined everything.

Sigarda, Bruna, Gisela, and Liesa were natural Angels, and each had their role on Innistrad. Liesa just got lucky that her deal with the Buried One allowed her to survive Avacyn's bullshit, and not be present for Emrakul to warp. Liesa is supposed to be the strongest of the 4 Archangels, just weakened from being reborn after Avacyn's bullshit

Uh oh stinky

>have liliana DG and death trigger board out
>put counter #9 on her
>end of turn "Hey just so everyone is aware, Liliana can ult next turn." and remind them of what that means verbatim
>some grumbles of acknowledgment
>player 1, 2, 3 don't attack liliana and just build their boards their turn
>4 does attack but he doesn't have enough creatures to get past my death touch blockers
>my turn: "Okay well, I'm going to use Liliana's ultimate. Anyone able to do anything? Lightning bolt, anything?"
>no one can
>tell table they now have to sacrifice every kind of permanent except one and-
>before I can finish talking everyone except player 4: "WTF ALL PERMANENTS?! ENCHANTMENTS AND ARTIFACTS TOO?!"
>explain yes all permanents, even lands but -
>"WTF EVEN LANDS TOO?! WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT!"
>tell them yes, even lands, but finally am able to say that it won't matter since unless they can all keep their creatures alive I'll ping them all to death with my various death triggers
>"WTF bro you didn't explain it was all permanents we just thought creatures! And you didn't say you were going to win if we didn't kill that thing!"

Not the first time it's happened with my group where I explain a big threat with the clear implication it should be focused. I don't know how to explain more clearly that I am potentially going to win next turn short of drawing them a diagram.

>>96246694
Another no doubt terrible take form king of the British retards that I won't watch.
No, I most definitely hate people with no self control who over power their decks

>>96246694
I can hate two things.

>>96246694
Quick delete this before Mr. Monopoly sees it when he wakes up in 4 hours on the mattress he keeps on the floor and goes back to spending all day calling people he knows nothing about poor on the internet while larping that he isn't a neet who blows his neetbux on cardboard.

>>96246698
she cute :)

>>96246698
This is your cue to smirk like your favorite animu villain, push up your glasses and say, "Well, now you'll be ready for it next time."

>>96244256
>lacking restraint
as opposed to a cashcow who needs to do a little song and dance each set so some card flipper gets richer?

>>96246708
I don't know how you don't realize how assblasted you are making posts like this.
Only statements that hit truths can inspire such butthurt

>>96246719
I don't know how you don't realize how assblasted you are replying to posts like this.
Only statements that hit truths can inspire such butthurt

Mana Spell
2
Enchantment
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.

>>96246734
I don't like colorless enchantments
They feel even less appropriate than colored artifacts

>>96246734
I approve of it because artifacts are such a pushed permanent type at this point that anything that takes away its monopolies is only a good thing.

Invasion of Rabiah
3
Battle
T: Add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool.

>>96246750
If it's a siege I guess the backside is called 1001 Nights and it... Hell I dunno makes all creatures djinn illusions and all lands deserts. Or maybe it makes a magic subgame.

>>96246701
>>96246694
>>96246704
something about a blind chicken being broken twice a day
what the fuck is wrong with the britbongs audio mixing? this is like the overexaggarated, larger than life sound of the voices of radio broadcasters, but 10 times worse when he is in off. more like UNpleasent Kenobi haha

>>96246436
youre just playing Simic with all the protection from white, on top of blues counters, get over yourself

>>96246855
they're so used to hearing the audio equivalent of a steaming pile of shit from the accents they hear everyday they have no idea what good sound is supposed to be like

https://moxfield.com/decks/gf91ZciyLEqkic-Q3zSwag
thots on this list?

when do people here finally realize that commander isnt the only format, and by far not the first?
Green isnt that great in other format, but the slower nature and Singleton restriction plays directly into Greens strengths
5 Color legendaries need to be busted, because running 5 colors is an actual drawback in real formats, and not an advantage
designing cards directly for commander is a horribly rancid idea and will continue to be this formats downfall, and has always went against what makes this shitshow multiplayer so fun

>>96246968
Grave Troll is shit commander but busted elsewhere.

>>96246980
as are most aggro 1/1s in red, it works both ways

>>96246980
you saying Golgari Grave Troll - mill 6 is shit in commander?
Holy retard

>>96246968
>5 colors is a drawback in real formats
You mean the formats with fetches legal, trivializing colorfixing because any fetch turns into any dual? Even Standard decks are able to run domain piles thanks to the abundance of untapped duals, it's just not worthwhile because control as an archetype has been dead in the water for years so decks are entirely focused on the first 3 turns.

>>96246990
Dredge 6 in a 60 cards deck with four copies is different than dredging in a 99 cards deck with singleton.

I won a game with the store loaner deck, 20 bucks azorius flyers lmao, get bent

>>96246997
number crunching like this is fucking stupid
"cheap and easy value is soooo shit in commander :("

i recommend connive looping the grave troll, it feels so good

>>96246106
>do thing draw card
no shit eh

>>96247068
Ah yes connive a mechanic that doesn't exist in green.

It's a crime that something wacky like this is stuck behind RL.

Bracket?

>>96247088
>Golgari Grave Troll
>Golgari
>lets just value it as a mono green piece that it is
just shut the fuck up at this point

>>96247106
Any besides 1.
Tutors only care about the GC listing, and number in deck. And unless you can control where the card your grabbing is, or you have so much redundancy that exile 13 doesn't matter, it's the single worst tutor we have.

Runo-player here, two rules questions
>if I copy an attacking Conquerors Galleon, do I create two conquerors footholds?
>if I copy a Vesuvan Drifter that is a copy of a Hullbreaker Horror, what copies do I create, how many, and do they change at end of turn?

>>96247106
banger with the new goyf

>>96247148
No
1 copy of hullbreaker, the original drifter changes back at end of turn.

>>96247148
>no, you only get the one. The flip trigger for galleon exiles then flips, fizzling the token
>you get 2 Hullbreaker with the special copy text, which can either stay as they are, or change next combat like the vesuvan can

>>96247106
So does warp allow you to cast card if it's exiled this way?
I assume not

>>96247219
Warp is like adventure you need to pay the warp cost and have it resolve to play from warp

>>96247229
i feel like this is a trap
20+ power for charge counters are no silly business

>>96247217
This is wrong. The attacking token doesn't flip because galleon is an attack trigger. It will exile itself when jt next attacks
When you copy a copied card you only retain the copy characteristics. So you'd get a hullbreaker with flying. It wouldn't change back at end of turn.

>>96246292
Lantern is fun for me
Irenicus draw to death is fun for opponents

>>96247229
will run into the same issue as super-proliferated astral cornucopia that the game is pretty much over by the time you get there

>>96247308

Dude, stationing is so much easier than proliferating. Imagine you could just tap any creature you control and proliferate equal to its power.

>>96247313
this is at least somewhat true in commander. in 1v1, the opportunity cost of not attacking when you can is huge
but the old
>block, in responce tap for charge counters
will probably do wonders if you dont have haste anyways

>>96247318
you can only station on sorcery speed

>>96247323
i keep forgetting that
yeah its even worse in commander. in 1v3, the opportunity cost of not blocking when you can is huge

>>96247330
i mean at best you screw over the people with goad decks since MP1 you can station the crow tokens or whatever else goaded your actual creatures

>>96247236
>>96247148
So
>you get one token galleon that can’t turn into a foothold, and fizzles itself if it attacks
>you get two Hullbreakers with flying, without the end of turn clause
If I understand it correctly, the vesuvan end of turn clause is applied to that specific card instance, like a Giant Growth would be, and doesn’t get copied. The flying is added to the card text so to speak, and the card text informs the copy.

I did not expect the flying to stick around, that’s good to know.

>>96247229
Triggering Macar every turn is fun

I run daring thief in Shorikai, that guy fucks.

>>96247406
>still finding good Rogues i didnt know about yet

thanks anon

>>96246698
>can't play this Liliana in bracket 3 since it's MLD
the bracket system is retarded

which one would be better/more fun for a Flash deck? i love playing on instant speed, and i feel like playing that top deck mini game in Errada will feel good, plus i never had an Azorius deck
Chromium on the other hand is a weird big ass dragon, and i love Esper

>>96247435
>Not just searching for every Rogue that exists in Scryfall
You will never advance as a Magic player with others spoonfeeding you.

>>96247483
With the two ladies as commander, you'll be able to have a flying subtheme as well, which is far more powerful than you think; most people aren't prepared for more than a few flyers, much less a deck of them. Flashing them in is super kino too.

>Strength in Numbers
>1GG
>Enchantment
>If a counter would be put on only one target creature you control, instead put a counter of that type on each creature that shares the same name as target creature.

Rate

>>96247488
>still looking for reasons to nag and moan in an otherwise harmless and well-meaning reply
i do scryfall and with 455 rogues in my colors, stuff can and will still be overlooked, missus infallible bitch

>>96247435
No better feeling than players killing their own commanders after you kidnapped them
>>96247483
The top deck mini game is fun in every game. Ramping to 7 in esper is less so.
Cards like Tidal Baracuda are great

>>96247507
oh i now, im known to be the #01 Flying hater in my playgroup, because all these sluts keep playing commanders that fly
i unironically run Hurricane
still, i want all my deck to be playable at instant speed, the flying subtheme would be an afterthought

>>96247532
more hares shit yawn

>>96247532
make it for each creature on board and im in

>>96247570
I think that probably already exists

>>96247549
>Tidal Barracude
that one and picrel makes on realize how degenerate blues Creatures are, much more so creatures in Dimir. I've seen Aboleth Spawn absolutely ruin games on its own, because some some Simic player with valuebrain cant stop being the most retarded player at the table

>>96247552
Heliod the warped dawn? Recur an archetype of imagination and cast it with flash for cheap

>>96247643
>creature ability triggers
>YOU may copy it
So what is the source of the ability for something like Firebrand Archer? Am I as a player somehow doing damage or is it still the Archer?

>EDHREC hasn't realized this goes in Wick decks yet
Yes-yes all for me me.

>>96247652
i wanted to build him when he was spoiled, but figured he would be to easy and the strongest deck in our pod BY FAR
he is the same level of degenerate easy mode to pumbstomp and cheez out some easy wins as Xyris

how do I always have it against x spells that win the game on the spot. like crackle with power, torment of hailfire and such? our playgroup has devolved to non-combat wincons and I'm not in blue or white

>>96247697
>Jund
you're fucked
target their stupid commanders and cross fingers

>>96247660
it only copies the entering creature's ETB effect. So, something like Noxious Gearhulk's ETB destroy a permanent lets you destroy something, then the opponent gets to blow something up

>>96247680
i packed one of these, and was looking for a home for it. What are you slapping this on in a Wick deck, other than a Rat Colony when you go to use Marrow-Gnawer

>>96247680
this goes in every token deck ever period. it's freaking broken

>>96247709
>What are you slapping this on in a Wick deck, other than a Rat Colony when you go to use Marrow-Gnawer
I think it's just a general purpose card to copy your more useful cards rather than just getting weak rat tokens. I think any time it's attached to a rat that's better than a token rat, you're happy.
>>96247717
Eh. The fact it's a hard "first time" rather than being "whenever...this ability triggers only once per turn." does mean that in some narrow situations you aren't going to get as many tokens as you wanted. Say you have a trigger that makes tokens, and a spell that would make lots of tokens, you don't get a choice for which one triggers Moonlit Meditation

>>96247697
Infinite mana sink? How about Prossh Food Chain?

>>96247697
what other anon said and turbo out your ruric thar, they're not getting that shit legally by dropping lands to have a massive X most likely

>>96247738
even getting a single copy of ANY permanent is enough and something we have never had before for this low cmc

>>96247738
fair enough. I can definitely see it being stupid if you've got it slapped onto a Lord Skitter's Butcher and you use MG to make like 5 copies of it. then each one gets you a token (or 4 tokens, and a round of menace).

>>96247643
The flash really makes this one worth it
>great fun you’re having with that hostage taker, mind if I join in?
Getting free stuff later and stopping stuff from being cast is a nice bonus too

>>96247805
the cherry on top, that makes it obscene is the Ward 2
That shit is why i laugh at people pretending Tempo doesnt exist in commander

Question for my fellow tribal autists (neurotypicals need not reply). If a card can change types (transform, eternalize, meld, etc) what tribe do you put them in?
Would lone rider be allowed in a human/knight deck, or would it be a party foul since it flips? What about in an eldrazi or horror deck?

>>96246708
Wow anon definitely isnt mad about being called poor lol

>>96246734
Do you understand what an enchantment is? How are you tapping it for mana? That makes no sense. There's a reason like 2 enchantments in the game can be tapped

>>96246865
This lol the entire deck is probably protection and interaction and he just plays draw go dumping mana into counters or interaction when needed. Riveting stuff.

>>96247097
This card is 5 dollars anon. The only thing its stuck behind is your empty wallet

>>96247680
Of all the token decks I've seen thos probably fits wick the least

>>96247851
That depends on the narrative and tone. It’s a great fit for a horror deck, but if your knight deck leans into chivalry and nobility, it might be discordant.
My sea monster deck has space for sailors but avoids land lubbers.

>>96247756
>a single copy of ANY permanent
Read the card again anon.

>>96247917
Like I said, you're going to be making token rats in Wick. Instead you can be copying more useful rats and still getting rat ETBs
See >>96247758
>I can definitely see it being stupid if you've got it slapped onto a Lord Skitter's Butcher and you use MG to make like 5 copies of it. then each one gets you a token (or 4 tokens, and a round of menace).

>>96245034
No you don't. All proxies are of expensive cards. No one has ever proxied a 50 cent rare.

>>96247851
I like my Rogues, but i am not afraid to run some Pirates or other creatures that are "rogueish" by their effect or nature. And i think the flipped card in your example still fits the bill of a knight - be it a randomly cursed one

>>96245292
This is shit. Even against my lands deck this is a slight set back at best. If your silver bullet MLD cannot even take out the lands deck, then it likely isn't very good.

>>96247851
I think it's a flavor fail that the transformed creature didn't keep any of the creature types of the originals
Why isint the flipped one "eldrazi horror knight" or "human eldrazi horror"?

>>96247987
Nice try but no one's going to believe your propaganda

>>96245292
>>96245309
>>96245318
>>96247987
this is from the Land sacrifice precon, the precon that specifically wants to eat its own lands. MLD is merely a tool to be abused by the Land decks anyway. The Land count in the deck is the bottleneck, and a way to kill them all and recur them is what they want, choking out the opponents in the process

MLD is not "anti-green" tech, it is very much and in all sense of its purposes "pro-green"

>>96247927
>>96247982
Thanks for the answers. I am mostly looking at embalm/eternalize for my sidisi zombie deck currently. I think it works, since sidisi fights with both zombies and non zombies. So she would in theory ally with both versions of the card. But it would still be 'zombie tribal' since the embalm/enternalize cards do say the word zombie on their text.

Nowadays I see more landfall players blowing up their lands more than anyone else.

>>96248064
Ok bro. I cast sylvan reclamation or will of the sultai. Also I have an azusa and crucible of worlds.

>>96248117
yeah, because wotc made it so trivial to bring em back with every other card. this is also why single land destruction does nothing against utility lands anymore. there needs to be cheap instant non-basic exiling like yesterday

>>96248197
It does something against non-green decks.

>>96248197
They just need to do away with landfall as a mechanic, it has always been cancer

>>96248227
just like how they wanted to do away with annihilator?

>>96248117
Its literally always been the go to move for lands decks thats why zuran orb is so insane. Free upside land saccing. No better way to get a bunch of triggers than recurring your landbase

>>96245135
>WOTC never 'really' kills off characters
I would love if that were the case because there's nothing I want more than to see Memnarch make his triumphant return.
Sadly, that's not the case. He and Elesh Norn are both totally fucked and if anyone else steps in to try and take over as any sort of Phyrexian Patriarch, it's gonna be an unrelated 3rd party who got too big for their britches.

Maybe this is a retarded question to ask. I've recently been getting back into magic after not really playing it for a decade. I always used to play with friends and that's where I've mostly been playing since getting back into it a few months ago, however I don't get nearly the same amount of opportunities to play with them as we're all a lot busier out of uni.
I've noticed a lot of casual commander events at various stores on the wotc site. Are these events where you're being matched with people or is it just that the store has allotted that date/time to be for people who want to play commander?

>>96246655
>and so is Gideon
Does Heliod have a replacement yet?
I could see them bullshitting a way for him to take up the mantle just as an excuse to bring him back as a commander again.

>>96248334
They are usually just times for people to come down and play commander. You can always ask for the store owner to help find you an open group or just ask around.
There are some events that involving matching with others but they are few and far between, like the 2-headed-giant stuff that just happened where it was 2v2

Edge of Eternities is the best set since Brothers War

>>96248430
Tarkir Dragonstorm was betta

>>96248459
>>96248430
Both are entirely mid. BRO was fun. EOE and Tarkir pretty much the same. Counters and bad mechanics

Well, its been 12 months since taking on a year long challenge of playing decks outside of my comfort zone.
I have learned so much, like combo can be fun. Temur isn't super boring and most importantly lmao fuck that shit I am going back to playing 3 color stompy decks or craterhoof decks.
I like green.

>>96248540
And BRO had what exactly?
Tokens and bad mechanics

>>96248069
>MLD is not "anti-green" tech, it is very much and in all sense of its purposes "pro-green"
this
my Bop of paradise, land of war elves and elvish mistakes don't give a fuck about how many lands I have.

>>96248430
Was Wilds of Eldraine before or after Brothers War?

>>96248430
they're both good sets
EOE
+artifact set
+kavu
+spaceships are neat
-should've had a rakdos enchantment to enable instant speed stationing
-the planets are cowardly designed
BRO
+artifact set
+urza can meld
+transformers cards and schematics cards
-powerstones blow

>>96248585
Powerstones are very underrated. Prototype is good and unearth is timeless. Try to post like a man and not a resentful fueled foid

>>96248615
Quite possibly the worst pros/cons list I've ever seen wow please dont ever post your opinions again

>>96248430
>since Brothers War

>>96248620
>demands to post like a man
>meanwhile did nothing but ragebait like a sissy to get the conversation going
go milk your tits over Brothers War Smut

>>96248636
like I give a shit about your opinion about my opinion

>>96248663
I think you replied to the wrong post i just like BRO its my favorite packs to open

>>96245859

>commander game with randos at the LGS
>everyone revealing their commanders pre game
>guy very proudly shows off his Admiral Becket Brass commander
>guy across from him audibly groans
>few other people around giggle, me included
>witness all hope and joy drain away from his face
>he plays silently for the rest of the session
>first to die, gets utterly bodied by a colorless players blightsteel
>packs up and leaves
Maybe there's hope for the commander community still...

>>96245859
>commander game with randos at the LGS
>everyone revealing their commanders pre game
>guy very proudly shows off his penis
>guy across from him audibly groans
>few other people around giggle, me included
>witness all hope and joy drain away from his face
>he plays silently for the rest of the session
>first to die, gets utterly bodied by a colorless players blightsteel
>packs up and leaves
Maybe there's hope for the commander community still...

That'll be 32 dollars
Plus tip

>>96248641
I appreciated Brothers War for the bonus sheet artifacts since I was just starting out around that time, managed to pull two Mox Ambers, even

>>96248615
The planets power levels are all over the place. The blue and green ones justify coming in tapped, but none of the others IMO.

>>96245859
>commander game with randos at the LGS
>everyone revealing their commanders pre game
>guy very proudly shows off his Aetherdrift commander
>guy across from him audibly groans
>few other people around giggle, me included
>witness all hope and joy drain away from his face
>he plays silently for the rest of the session
>first to die, gets utterly bodied by a colorless players blightsteel
>packs up and leaves
Maybe there's hope for the commander community still...

>>96248803
It's only going to get more expensive too, since WOTC has no interest in reprinting any UB stuff.

>>96248803
I gotta be honest, that card kinda looks like shit, I play battlecruiser mostly so the first 3 turns are not very explosive.

>>96248851
It's a standard card.

>>96248852
oh
OH!
>ub in standard
damn maybe I shouldn't have come back.

>>96248863
Spider Man set is also Standard. As is Avatar.

>>96248852
a standard card that will go down in price once it rotates

>>96248870
what's the general consensus on that?

>>96248863
>>96248870
I think spiderman is gonna be funny, people turned out in droves for final fantasy but it fit the aesthetic better than half the recent in universe sets, spiderman is about as far as you could possibly get from the aesthetic so I think people are going to reject it
Avavar will sadly probably do alright by that logic, but I don't think it will be the massive hit final fantasy was

>>96248885
It fucking sucks.

>>96248890
The idea people play magic for a fantasy aesthetic is stupid. People play for the gameplay.
And of course avatar will flop. It's a 20 year old mediocre show that has not been relevant in like 13 years.

>>96248900
>The idea people play magic for a fantasy aesthetic is stupid.
I personally started playing because I saw someone with an elesh norn deck and recognized the art from ads. The art made me feel something and the more I played mtg the more I found art that really captivated me.
>People play for the gameplay.
The gameplay is good when it's good and fucking terrible when it's not. MTG would not survive on gameplay alone.
There's also sunk cost that keeps people around, clump that in with good will if you want. The point being there is a web of interconnected reasons why MTG is MTG and pulling at too many of those threads makes people take breaks at very least if not quit.

>>96248430
TDM, BLB, MOM, and DSK were all better sets mechanically. Maybe OTJ too.

I just speant $380 on basic lands, am I retarded?

>>96248834
They are going to reprint UB stuff

>>96248969
those look cool. I think you might be kinda retarded but I have enough unglued and unhinged lands to fill out 14 decks so I would be a huge hypocrite telling you that its not worth it.

>>96248969
Extremely retarded

>>96248977
plz reprint as universes within, I refuse to play UB cards.

>>96248969
You're only retarded if you play with people who don't recognize the flex.

>>96248430
Master troll

>>96248989
lol no

>>96249010
That's ok, the card pool is so massive I really don't need them.

>>96248969
>$50 on deck
>$300 on basic lands
Only based individuals will understand.

>>96249016
b..b..b..based!

>>96249016
I wish I could say my deck was $50 when I spent that alone on a rarity bump for my $2 commander.

>>96248890
my LGS is already basically sold out of spider-man stock in advance, so you better hope thats an outlier and not the norm.

>>96249016
>$25 on Aluren
>$300 on basics
>$25 on the rest of the deck

>>96248969
Those lands? Yeah, extremely fucking retarded. You could've bought cool basics instead of the ones nobody can see. But maybe that's the point, right mr. cheater?

I made the mistake of explaining my commander is yawgs will in the command zone and I became archenemy
Maybe I do need to add back in more of the bullshit combos I took out so I can actually survive a 1v3

>>96249049
>ones nobody can see
skill issue

>>96248969
I thought basic lands were free?

>>96249073
they are, just take em from other people's decks

>>96248806
this goes hard in magda but anywhere else it's absolute dogshit

>>96249049
What part of this is cheating? Youre very weird anon

>>96248803
why would I play this

>>96248969
there is a lot worse you could be spending your money on
like these
at $15 a pop

>>96249115
Cause standard

>>96249089
he is projecting

>>96249049
They are maybe a touch hard to see but they arent any worse than lets say the innastrad full arts

>>96249118
More like Gary Basedman, am I right?
JK it looks like shit

>>96249118
secret lair lands should have come in sets of 10.
There have been a few decent ones over the years and having non-matching basics should be a capital offense.

>>96249056
>oh I know, arms racing will solve the issue!
low iq take

>>96249164
I just proxy them. Only an utter autist would care.

>>96249182
can you proxy them at a high quality?

>>96249125
sir, this is an edh thread

>>96249186
MPC makes them impossible to tell from standard cards in a sleeve.

>>96249182
A guy at my old LGS bought a printer that could print foil lands out and he would set it up with his laptop and print all sorts of shit on lands
good guy, they didnt last super long but man there was nothing quite like custom foil full art lands

>>96249186
Yes.

>>96248969
I wouldn't even spend $30 on basics.

>>96249206
I wouldn't even spend 5 cents on basics.

>dont worry its a casual deck
>plays 5 color good stuff slop

>>96248977
Was this revealed to you in a dream? Some of the 40k precon cards are 40+ dollars at this point.

>>96249049
>can't remember gamestates or too much a pussy to ask opponent how much mana they have up.
Okay retard. Nice bait.
>>96249118
Those are horrendous, why is the pink guy sexually pleasuring himself by rubbing his nipple.
>>96249164
But they can arbitrarialy drive up the price of the lands to hold value and sell 10 times the sets. Why would they every do this, even though they should.
>>96249206
I am generally anti-proxy, so I must live by my code of ethics.

>>96249193
>MPC
oh dang they even have some custom versions
I know what I'm doing for my next deck

>>96249256
Who asked for this? Someone doing home renos?

>>96249223

>got full art foil variants of my fallout caesar deck back in Feb for a reasonable price.
>Trying to do the same for another fallout deck
>all the prices have tripled

I know the supply for Fallout was insanely high, but god damn, the window to buy shit at discount after release come and go so fast.

>>96249222
That is casual

>>96248804
Wizards bribed me to say "Brothers War was great and nothing went wrong at Magic Con 2022 to have made me think otherwise or receive compensation"

>>96249222
literally me
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-07-24-mana-mastery/

>>96249272
I like looking at pantones personally

>>96249049
Here, now even you can see which lands are which.

>>96249325
>Marlboro mountain

>>96249325
>>96249357
>I tap my newports for blue

>>96248969
this is why everyone hate paypigs

>>96249325
>all these similiar values
why are you so evil, anon

>>96249383
Why do you hate me for blinging out my commander deck?

>>96249415
higher cost deck means higher power.

>>96249423
My lands are worth just about the price of my deck with the rarity bumps. I have 3 game changers, I am bracket 3.

>>96249451
t. proxyfag

>>96249276
How Rudy doing nowadays anyways?

>>96249468
not happening in this thread, self-humiliation-kun.

>>96249415
proxyfags hate others for being rich

>>96249415
if you pay more sellers think more people will dragging everyone up

>>96249474
Suicide due to economy crumbling

>>96249423
poornigger cope

I finished another short story about gay dragons today!

>>96246698
God, FUCK those innistrad full arts. Every single person I played against was using them when those sets dropped in tri-colored decks alongside proxied duals and I wanted to strangle someone whenever I had to ask what mana they had open.

>>96249493
Cost is a balancing factor

>>96249286
What?

The new shocks look like fucking ass
someone needs to check in on the art department, I think there is something seriously wrong.

I'm newer to MTG, are there any precons able to keep up and do okay against randos at LGS's? What are some of the best precons? I'm not good at deck building yet.

>>96249357
>>96249369

>>96249617
Commander is split into 5 brackets. New precons are at a minimum bracket 2. So just look for bracket 2 games at your LGS or tell people you are using a precon.

>>96249617
the ixalan precons are really good

>>96249638
oh damn are there more of these?

>>96249617
The 4c gay kings precon was pretty dope. I keep it unmodified and you wouldn't believe how often I win with it.

>>96249663
https://www.reddit.com/r/mpcproxies/comments/1m02sx0/inhale_the_mana/

>>96249661
Hard to find at a decent price. I saw the dinosaur one going for 200 bux

>>96249683
eh

>>96248969
who am I to judge? I'm playing 50€ mountains.

>>96249638
WotC would see this ad and charge you 29,99 for

>>96249617
I'll build you a functional deck
whats your budget, whats your favorite colors or strategy? You are going to get way more bang for your buck this way than buying a precon.

>>96248806
I like the white planet, copying stuff is yummy

>get called out for playing an illegal combo
is this too hardcore for bracket 3? I assembled this by accident in a Golgari Food deck.

>>96249617
>>96249721
I second this anon, not only will you get a more personal deck, you will learn the valuable lesson of buying singles. Also, you get to pick your actual commander, instead of being an out of box product. I have watched so many retards get into this and burn money buying packs chasing cards. Buying singles is the best thing you can learn to do.

>>96249758
This is why you don't use retarded brackets

>>96249703
What 50 euro mountains are you running?

>>96249758
I had like 3 infinite combos in my golgari tokens deck, this was one of them. Just run it through an online bracket checker first, it'll point out any 2 card infinites you might not have known about.

>>96249793
And this is why brackets are shit. They expect you to do a bunch of research before playing.

>>96249758
Oh no
Anyway

>>96249799
It’s why EDH is shit, most of the game is talking about what is appropriate for the game and proxies only exasperate this problem.

>>96249807
>le farewell bogeyman
never played. never in anyones hand when it matters.

>>96249840
wait till people learn about Austere Command

>>96249799
instead of bracket autist have to read the room, if you see everyone play jank you cannot just bring Kenrith, the Returned King featuring Muldrotha and Jodah, the Unifier just "i like the alt arts" and not expect get gangbanged by the entire table

>>96249840
Anyway

>>96249764
>>96249799
>they should allow my 2 card combo
>thoracle?! go back to cedh you tryhard
truly midwit hours

>>96249884
>comparing I win combo to a billion rats with summoning sickness who cant block
truly midwit hours.

>>96249906
>you have a turn to live so it's ok!
i'm so glad the vast majority will follow brackets and that midwits like you will be left behind kekw

>>96249919
>not having it
sounds like a skill issue

>>96249927
>can't accept that brackets will be the de facto rule of the land
cry more bwahahaha

>>96249919
just jumping into this discussion, but if 3 whole players cant deal with a massive board before the player untaps, they deserve to eat shit. a Fuckan boardwipe check isnt the same as a counterspell check

>>96249937
to be fair that combo also puts your deck in your hands
it doesnt take a genius to figure out a win from there

>>96249937
>me discarding abdel turn 1
>turn 2 sol ring + animate dead = infinite tokens
>you have 1 turn to live so it's ok
retards everywhere lol

>>96249952
>me discarding abdel turn 1
how exactly?

>>96249952
is your hobby brainstorming dreamland combos?

>>96249967
8 cards in hand
discard to hand size
thanks for admitting you have no games

>>96249952
>yeah uuhm lemme compare my super realistic scenario where i have the payoff, the Rampu and the setup all in my sleeves to prove my point, vs a 6 mana combo someone stumbled upon in the middle of a game
slit your wrists

>>96249971
so you didnt drop a land on turn one?
how are you paying for animate dead off of two colorless mana?

>>96246056
Another ruling because I am apparently a retard that can't read when throwing cards together. When a creature dies due to -1/-1 with these two, I'll draw zero cards off massacre girl but will be able to rez with Gisa, correct?

>>96249968
>because discarding abdel turn 1, and animate dead turn 3 (let's not even include sol ring) is absolutely magical christmasland

>>96249997
now its getting pathetic.

>>96249987
"exile it instead" means it doesn't die. "die/dies" is shorthand for "goes to the graveyard from the battlefield." same as the darkness crystal, gisa stops things from "dying" with a replacement effect, so you will get no death triggers from opponents' creatures.

>>96249871
>B-But
>muh First Sliver

Is it possible to build a fun deck where the commander is not the monolith win con without resorting to either combo or good_stuff.deck?
How does one brew such a deck?

>>96250028
Thought so, appreciate it. Easy cut for virtue of persistence.

Infinites that require 3 or more cards is fine right, like using this or other storm cards with shit like displacer kitten and 2 cost 0 artifacts to end the game is fine

>>96249983
>get btfo
>uhhh ur patheitc
lol

>Opponent plays eggman deck
>It's an eggs deck

>>96250068
>opponent plays robotnik deck
>it's a robots deck

>>96249937
"Man I had no way of knowing it was gonna go infinite.

Anyways I'm going to station Evendo and Cast Ygra from my command zone; but before that I'm gonna Demonic Tutor Academy Manufactor.

Hey where's everyone going?"

>>96250004
thoracle player here, thanks for vouching for me so that i can claim that it's just magical christmasland that i got oracle and consulation in my opening hand

>>96250037
yeah, that's the primary way I build decks.
I play a lot of these shit dragons and most of the time I end up making theme decks or get inspiration from a 60 card deck.
My oros deck right now is inspired by an interaction I saw in a game and went all in on lifegain synergies. Oros himself can gain a lot of life if given lifelink but the deck functions without him entirely. It's basically a highlander deck with a big dumb dragon that sits in the command zone unless I need him.
Since your deck will not have the consistency of a utility commander, it's smart to build of a strategy that has a lot of redundancy. I had no problems finding lifegain synergies for example or you could just tutor like a degenerate.

>>96250112
>Tfw someone pithing needled my yuriko but my draw for turn was thoracle and I had tainted pact in my hand

>>96250112
change your sleeves and shuffle your deck proper, sticky fingers

>>96249983
Are you actually motherfucking serious????

>>96249952
>>96250137
I might be going blind but I don't see dark ritual anywhere in this recipe.

>>96249871
What's this retarded example? This deck sounds fucking terrible rofl

>>96250037
You build a deck where commander is your utility. But it requires you to run a good_stuff.deck, which is the opposite of what you are asking for.

>>96250152
>there's a flaw in the combo listed
>please forget that i didn't know i can discard to hand size turn 1
kek

>>96250152
>oh no he didn't mention the most well known black ramp in the games history
>that means everything he's ever said is wrong and i'm right
Your friends must love hanging out with you

>>96250162
Not that anon, but your Disneyland turn 2 combo just got upgraded to Disney World.

>>96250152
This batch of cookies I made didn't have cinnamon in the recipe yet I added it anyway cuz I thought it'd help. And it did.

>>96250178
sorry but abdel is a bona fide 2 card combo and none of this disneyland shit is gonna allow you to use it and not get shit on by your pod lmao

>>96250162
>theres a flaw
>please stop pointing it out
no
>adding more cards to a magical christmas land opening
wewlad

>>96250196
>oh no it's turn 3 infinite tokens instead of turn 2 using only 2 lands abdel and animate dead
>this is totally legit gavin please let it be legal
found the undercover abdel player that didn't know he could discard to hand size KEK

>>96249876
That combo can be done at instant speed, in response to the Rift. Did you REALLY think that was the gotcha you thought it was?

>>96250182
the original discussion was not about if it was possible it was about where the line for infinite creatures should be in lower tier decks
to follow your analogy, you blindly threw cinnamon all over the kitchen assuming cookies were in there somewhere.

>>96247889
What's wrong with that?

>>96249871
None of these cards sound synergistic or are anything crazy on their own im confused

>>96250212
>anon cant count and making a big deal about just finding out about discarding to handsize
man to be young again.

>>96250224
those cards give self value once they hit the field, if everyone is playing jank dont play FIRE cards

>>96250068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mPkze9AEs&list=RDy4mPkze9AEs&start_radio=1

>>96250214
And it worked cuz these things taste great

>>96250224
those cards have repotutation by themselfs, you have to learn to wait for another flashy stuff on field before casting shit like sheoldred

>Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain and cheerios
>goal is to cast so many things that draw you so many cards to deck yourself with Labman/Jace out
Seems dumb as hell and super durdly but man it's so stupid I need to try it

>>96250047
People that have melties about combos don't care if it's 2 card or 7 card.
People get mad at my kefnet + scroll rack + timewalk spell combo. Or isochron scepter + narsets reversal + timewalk spell.

>>96250388
Personally, I only dislike them if someone tutors for the cards ASAP to slam them down by turn 4/5. If you naturally draw them? Hell yeah bro gg let's go again

>>96250037
Fun? My chimera deck. Winning? No.

Say what you will about the RC but whenever they banned a card I was playing I was more relieved than pissed.
I think they did a pretty good job overall, until they cucked out. It's really amazing to see how someone like sheldon could both have a vision for the format and yet be so blind to how shit the new management was.

>>96249799
>They expect you to do a bunch of research before playing.
>reading an article is too much work, work I shouldn't have to do, the system is bad

>discard reanimate target t1 due to hand sizs (no land drop)
>t2 player sol ring off of my SINGULAR land and somehow have another pip
>anon is retarded for pointing out it doesnt work as written
Take the L guys you mistyped your combo :D

>>96249148
They do have the same problem as the innistrad black & white arts, but at least those cost 50 cents per foil and not 6 bucks. The part that really kills me is that you could've gotten the color foil phyrexian lands which look even better than the oil-slicked ones for a pittance, they're like a dollar per foil.

>>96250246
I have a jank deck and it still provides value and does things cause im not a worm

>>96250213
If you cannot deal with infinite 1/1 non-haste tokens then it is genuinely a skill issue.

2 card combos end the game. They don't wait a turn cycle.

>Want to build mono blue proliferate
>Know friend group insists that poison kills you at 20 because your life total is doubled

>order lots of cards for a deck I am building
>1-2 packages never arrived or arrived 2 months later
>every time
I'm just proxying from now on solely because it takes too long to get the real thing. I am sick of having to sit on a deck idea for 3 months or just rebuy from another guy due to shit sellers.

>>96250539
Why not build stun counters, so you don't have to deal with that? Or are you just trying to be as toxic as possible?
>inb4 of course, I'm playing U

>>96250569
I always proxy instead of ordering
And if I like the card im proxying Ill keep my eye out for it in trade binders and such. There are so many cards that I want to test that I end up not putting in my decks that it makes more sense to do it this way

>>96250536
>Implying I don't have a sac outlet to turn those tokens into lifeloss
I never had to, you where doomed from the start.

>>96250580
Hey that might be fun with Lulu as commander

>>96250470
exactly, its not a flashy card, if you play know cards people will remove on sight

>>96246436
Jenara is based

>>96250539
>We want to rule 0 that you need 20 poison
>Well I want to follow the official rules, need full consensus to not play by the official rules, and I don't agree so, tough titties.
That simple

>>96250458
>so assblasted he can't give a (You)
take the L first for not knowing you can discard to hand size turn 1 buddy boy

>>96250607
I have thought about out making Lulu myself, but I'm having such a hard time picking a mono-blue deck for my mono-colored deck challenge...

>>96250617
>he doesnt have friends
>he thinks that would fly

>>96250607
just throw in the single Prologue to Phyresis
no other poison sources