Tactical Assault edition

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『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
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>Tactics
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>Thread Question:
What units do you field you never see anyone else use?

So which non-marine army got shafted the most with the new edition?

>>96245274
Solar Aux, so much AP4. Tanks seem good, but you gotta be able to score. That and aux players cant comprehend transports so they just die to progressive scoring despite being able to catapult 10man units like everyone else.

>>96245030
Exalted Sorcerers is considered one of the better 40k boxes around for kitbashing TS characters and Sorcerer-adjacent shit. Rubrics would need some work and are probably best delegated to elite squads, Scarab Occult Terminators sadly don't match the same armor pattern with the Sekhmets. They are 'fine' for ornate looks if you remove the Tzeentch shit.

>>96245274
Talons insofar; Custodes by virtue don't even get any line units, and Sisters got fucking GUTTED.

>>96245264 (OP)
I've been noting down houserules from discussions I've sen everywhere. Im not at the point I want to present them to the group until we get more games. Ive already got
>Duel-wielding dreads +1 to stat
>1e deepstrike with charges, various approaches to mishap
>HQs can pick from any list, have CCW to swap out
>grandfathered options for units
With Legacies this week, allegedly. What are some things other Anons are considering?

SWfag here, rolling to determine if my legion stays losing or the cope of the legacies bringing back flavor turns out to be true.

The possessed posse perturbs the pitiful protectors

>>96245328
Auto repair improves with each failure. A lucky glance and unlucky rolls having a vehicle stuck in place is the antithesis to fun.

>>96245366
Take a techmarine

>A lucky glance and unlucky rolls having a vehicle stuck in place is the antithesis to fun.
As opposed to a lucky immobilize or weapon destroyed?

>>96245352
Legacies is only gonna reintroduce some wargear options anon. It's way too late to be holding out for flavour.

>>96245352
>>96245379
Space Wolves LOST
Thousand Sons WON

>>96245376
No, those also sucked. At least they were pens and not scratched paint. A reactor that's swiss cheese and fully functioning but a shot out searchlight and chipped paint cause a vehicle to be stuck in place is stupid.
>Techmarine
I'm not taking one for every single vehicle.

>>96245382

>>96245388
>No, those also sucked
Wrong, they are a fundamental and essential element of what makes vehicles work.

Vehicles are hard to kill, the trade off and necessary interplay is that they can be crippled in a way no one model can. You cant blow the arms off a dread or a marine, but marines and dreads also arent immune to conventional firearms like tanks are.

>>96245264 (OP)
I swear that pic didn't have Goldshi before

>>96245328
Can only kill what you can see, except HQ models/characters. Those you can assign wounds to other models off out of LoS to prevent rhino sniping. Y'know, an actual abstracted "Look out, Sir!".

>>96245352
What do you think legacies is going to do?

Because the reality is its probably going to just have some exemplary battles units and maybe reintroduce aether-rune armor. Im not even sure what you want it to do?

>>96245402
What are you talking about? There has always been a Goldshi in that pic.

>>96245399
>>96245388
Yeah, the change to vehicle damage is honestly the most confusing thing of all the things 3e has done.

2e only had an issue of there being AT that was too powerful and plentiful for its cost, since lascannons were buffed and it was also the best weapon against dreads and termies on top of being the best AT.

3e has a confused system where powerful AT weapons now MUST be all or nothing against vehicles - you can get all the pens you want, but nothing short of entirely destroying it will mitigate its effectiveness in literally anyway.
Meanwhile, a weapon thats less effective can get a single RNG hit and if they're lucky cripple a vehicle for a turn, or potentially even the whole game.

I don't think its a good system at all.

>>96245399
>Wrong, they are a fundamental and essential element of what makes vehicles work.
Before they exploded 25% of the pens? Hull points were added to avoid immortal tanks. Vehicle sucked 1e if they weren't artillery or other pie plates/templates and 2e they just sucked. They're the best they've been but need work on pens vs glances. A tank on 1 out of 8 HP shouldn't be 100% combat effective if it was never glanced.

CONTESTANT! You have reached the final round of WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE! In the intellectual property of "Warhammer 30,000: The Horus Heresy" who is the main antagonist?
a) The Emperor of mankind.
b) Horus Lupercal.
c) Erebus.
d) The forces of chaos.

>>96245434
Incorrect game title. There is no "30,000" in the real one. I request a new question.

>>96245434
That's Erebus, obviously

>>96245392
> Gym max
> Mind max
> Look max
Thousand Sons are literally unbeatable

>>96245434
e) Human Natures
f) Alan Bligh
g) The Black Library
h) Games Workshop

>>96245433
>Vehicle sucked 1e if they weren't artillery or other pie plates/templates
bruh what is this actually unhinged take?
ap2 pieplate vehicles were OP as balls, that didn't mean other vehicles were shit, they just weren't horrifically unbalanced.

Also 1e was the realm of double spartan party buses being a valid and viable choice, Sicarans that were actually fast, ROW fast preds etc.

BUt yes, vehicles were shit in 2e, but not due to any particular fault of their own. They were specifically bad because mass lascannons absolutely everywhere, due to being buffed and being the best option against basically every real target.

>>96245458
>Also 1e was the realm of double spartan party buses being a valid and viable choice
You had me going for a while there. Next time you want to be believable you gotta be more subtle.

>>96245264 (OP)
I'm the only one I've seen use the knights magerna. They're okay not really any better or worse than other knights but they're cheap since you only need to take 2.
Although James might have sneakily changed their points value with the plastic kit.

>>96245480
>he never played against world eater berserker assault with 2 maxed units of inductii in spartans doing 100 s5 attacks on the charge with hatred

Bruh, you could kill 8 terminators PER UNIT on the charge just with chainaxes, they were an absolute fucking menace. Also most lists could deal with 1 spartan, but 2 is far more tricky to stop.

>>96245498
I meant in a real game... jk those look cool

>>96245505
eat shit

>>96245293
SA get mulched but they got mulched before anyway. Overall they seem like they're fun and maybe even good, was nice to see that they have some interesting stuff after seeing how badly my legion of choice got fucked. SA make me want to play 3.0.

The army building is still a little strange to me but I think it works well for SA, at least thematically. Dracosans being able to take demolishers while retaining 22 transport capacity is incredible and goes really well with the Solar cohort which turns them into assault vehicles. I'm very glad I held on to my recast axe veletari. I also love that the Malcador is more competitively priced and serves a more unique role in the army.

>>96245422
My gripes exactly. Getting pens on vehicles is almost useless if you can't kill the vehicle in 2 turns. Otherwise too much of the game will pass.

>>96245535
Its kinda also what made contemptors OP in 2e.
The switch to monstrous creature type rules meant there was no longer a way to slowdown/weaken the angry nugget, so now you had to smash through a model with 2+ save, high toughness and lots of wounds, because even on 1w, a contemptor would mulch through loads of threats.

>>96245515
>mommy I leaked my reactor

Interdiction Cadre Spam
=Important Notes
1] Limited to Despoilers and Tacticals
2] Deploying is a reaction, and the unit you deploy is the one reacting, so you cannot do any other reactions for them on the turn they deploy.
3] You are playing a zoning/disruption game and will likely lose a squad even if it’s maxed
4] Cannot be used in response to Reserves Moving (that’s step 1 of the Movement Phase)
5] Volley fire is not a reaction
6] Units in reserves that did not deploy by the end of the game count as destroyed, therefore for core missions it is best to keep no more than [4x your reaction points per turn] cadres in reserve

=“Who can actually spam Interdiction Cadre Prime troops?”
Assuming a primary detachment with a praetor and 5 centurions via an officer cadre apex detachment:
-WE, DG, and TS can field up to 10 Interdiction Cadres (100-200 marines) via auxiliary detachments
-DA and SoH can field up to 20 Intediction Cadres (200-400 marines) via auxiliary detachments

=General Tactical Squad Notes
-Bad at melee; chain bayonets dubious
-Sgt choice: drop bolter for melee weapon or not? Already bad in melee, 1 power fist or thunder hammer isn’t going to change much. Combi-bolters might be the secret sauce
-even as snapshots, 20+ bolter volley shots are brutal

=General Despoiler Squad Notes
-bad guns; consider hand flamers for volley utility
-Sgt: thunder hammer!
-wide range of upgrade in a big blob makes melee dangerous for vet enemies

=Ist-Dark Angels
Legion trait: Generally useful
Wargear options: The Calibanite Warblade is the same price as a Thunder Hammer
Extra detachment options: 2 Transports per 2 Intediction Cadres, which don’t complement at all, but if you want to spam havoc + multimelta suicide Rhinos . . .

>>96245585
=XIIth-World Eaters
[Legiones Astartes-only]
Legion trait: +1A on charge is good if you survive to use it
Wargear options: Chainaxes for all your despoilers if you desire
Extra detachment options: Up to 2 Rampager Squads and 1 Elite per Auxiliary Interdiction Cadre
--Might as well go all-in with despoilers?

=XIVth-Death Guard
Legion trait: Does nothing for Interdiction Cadres
Wargear options: Power scythes are 5 points more than a Thunder Hammer
Extra detachment options: 1 non-Prime Troops, 1 Support, and 1 Heavy Assault per Auxiliary Interdiction Cadre
--Araknae and Terminators to protect the deployment zone and mid-board?

=XVth-Thousand Sons
Legion trait: Dubious use but Cult Arcana can be useful.
Wargear options: Only the Arcana really do anything. Pyrae Despoilers are very dangerous if they survive to attack, and a mix of Power Lances, Heavy Chainswords, and Thunder Hammer on sgt maximize Inferno Shield. Corvidae can be useful on Tacticals. Athanaean is a possible utility Arcana.
Extra detachment options: 1 Fast Attack, 1 Elites, and 1 Heavy Transport per Auxiliary Interdiction Cadre

=XVIth-Sons of Horus
Legion trait: Full BS snapshots turns charging Tac squads into a risky proposition.
Wargear options: Carsoran Power Axe and Tabar, same price and more than a Thunder Hammer, respectively
Extra detachment options: 1 Heavy Assault and 1 Elites per 2 Auxiliary Interdiction Cadre

>>96245585
>>96245594
In closing, it seems DG Tactical Interdiction Cadre with strong backline defense and TS Despoiler Interdiction Cadre with mid-field tarantula interference + termie-land raider back-up are the best configurations for the meme

>>96245379
>>96245409
>What do you think legacies is going to do?
Give Varagyr a niche again
Have Speakers be a centurion that buffs the unit they're with like they have always been
Give the wolves a way to alternative deploy close to the enemies section, like the RoWs
>>96245382
>Space Wolves LOST
Ghey
>Thousand Sons WON
Good, they deserved a glow up. It's more fun to have equally strong enemies, than it is to be so significantly stronger/your enemies rules are broken, or the inverse. Rather face the TSons, them being masters of magic, using really fast and punchy melee Wolves, than basically flavorless legion agnostic level Wolves. The +2 to set up is bullshit since 2/3 of the special units we have can't use it.

>Captcha 0DYN2

>>96245274
Talons since sisters basically no longer exist. Mech is weird but strong and solar aux feel actually playable and not just the red headed step child. It’s certainly a lot better than the mess that was non legion armies in 2.0

>>96245382
It’s hilarious that you can tell the sw and ts were written by the same ts player lmao

Any proud owners of the new Rapier do me a solid? I would like the dimensions of the rapier. Googling it Ive only stumbled onto the numbers of the older FW and as a followup question if anyone knows if its the same size or bigger than the solar auxilia rapier?
Thanks a bunch


Y so rasiss Mr captcha

Playing my first game of 3.0 (groan) on Thurs. Any glaring weaknesses in this 2k list? I don't wanna be a sweaty gamer but don't wanna get flogged either

>>96245623
>Give Varagyr a niche again
They do have a niche, theyre for clearing objectives to make big vanguard points. Frost axes are good for clearing mass infantry and they have fear to further debuff LD ensuring a rout.
Terminators are for more than mashing other terminators.
>give the wolves a way to deploy close to the enemies
Interdiction cadre?

>>96245654
>2000 points
>only 25 units with Line (X)

>>96245700
25 units! Game over

has anyone played 3.0 with white scars yet? Curious how the legion performs in actual play now.

>>96245654
Forgot to add banner on the command squad

>>96245707
white scars are natural bike spammers, so they're still waiting on rules for characters on bikes before they can actually play their armies.

How are SoH looking this edition? Their trsit seems weak

>DA are weak
>NL are weak
>SoH are weak
>Deep Strikes are bad
>melee is dead
/hhg/ never ceases to surprise with the hot takes

>>96245743
You expect people to actually play the game?

>>96245419
It was space marines coming out of the water. But Goldshi wasn't there

>>96245802
take your meds Manhattan Cafe

An extra 40 minute session and my first saturnine has its metallics all basecoated so I can wash it tomorrow and then paint the bits while the wash dries.

>>96245849
that's not it btw

All over instagram, lgs are trying to sell saturnine boxes so hard they now offer discounts.

EIther 1 or 2 boxes at half price for buying a saturnine boxes.
Include Tow, Aos etc, as long as it's GW.
Even a TOW dwarf army box or something.

How do I exploit this ?
Wjat's the most I can save on 2 box by paying full GW price on the saturnine box ?

>>96246033
Post some actual proof.

Where are the rules for "Rapid Tracking"? cf. Hyperios Missile Launcher

>>96246033
You can save yourself some time by not bothering when they're just going to tell you "no, I'm not shipping this deal that was meant to help me clear stock across an ocean so I can spend even more money"

I wanna start playing 1st edition 30k with my demons, what 40k codex should I get? The 6th edition demon codex from 2013 or the 7th edition one from 2016?

>>96246059

>>96246075
uwotm8?

Post your shieldchuds NOW!

>>96246089
Thanks, is this in the Libers or Core?

Rolled 5, 5 = 10 (2d6)

>yfw you pass the cool check

>>96246107

>>96246109
I'm honestly not sure, I just have it saved.

>>96246075
the HH1.0 book on blood angels and WS had a daemons list. One of my fave black books

>>96246117
Chaplainchads win again

>>96245707
golden keshig are almost guaranteed to get a turn1 charge and are an annoying backfield harassing unit that your opponent must deal with

>>96245743
dark angels are alright, but just very boring. Their trait doesn't really do anything, but companions are really good.

>>96245743
Deep strikes are for shooting, pure and simple
I think people are stuck with 40K logic where they can’t set up within 9”

>>96245328
one I liked from a while ago- only roll on the vehicle damage table if the vehicle has lost half its HP or more

>>96246180
>I think people are stuck with 40K logic
This was the big hurdle for me when I moved over in 2e, I kept playing like it was 40k and it was costing me games.

Death Guard
2500/2500 pts

=Primary Detachment (810)
Praetor in Cataphractii Armor, Paragon Blade = 160
[P]Centurion in Tartaros Armor = 100
-Prime Advantage: Paragon of Battle
Centurion with bolter and thunder hammer =95
Optae with bolter and chainsword =50
[P] 20-man tactical squad, sgt with combi-bolter =205
-Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre
10-man tactical squad =100
10-man tactical squad =100

=Reaping Host Auxiliary Detachment (530)
[P] 20-man tactical squad, sgt with combi-bolter =205
-Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre
Araknae platform =125
5-man Cataphractii squad with power fists =200

=Reaping Host Auxiliary Detachment (530)
[P] 20-man tactical squad, sgt with combi-bolter =205
-Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre
Araknae platform =125
5-man Tartaros squad with power fists = 200

=Reaping Host Auxiliary Detachment (330)
[P] 20-man tactical squad, sgt with combi-bolter =205
-Prime Advantage: Interdiction Cadre
Araknae platform =125

=Combat Pioneer Auxiliary Detachment (150)
2 Tarantulas with Hyperios launchers (75)
2 Tarantulas with Hyperios launchers (75)

=Combat Pioneer Auxiliary Detachment (150)
2 Tarantulas with Hyperios launchers (75)
2 Tarantulas with Hyperios launchers (75)

Thoughts?

>>96246307
Are the tarantulas actually good?

>>96246307
A tide of bare cemerite bodies, nice. Didn’t fancy taking any thanks though?

god I love tech thralls
>just birth out 4 a turn
>don't care about any losses
>just duel people with a souped up magos in the tarpit

>>96246314
They create an awkward choice if you've positioned Interdiction Cadres well: Can you move without getting hit by at least 3 BS4 AP3 D2 shots? What can you risk tanking them?

>>96246316
Though about a Spartan but too expensive

>>96245352
SW still superior to DA. Even if we lost flavour, at least we didn't lost like them. That's what truly matters.

>>96245585
>=Ist-Dark Angels
>Legion trait: Generally useful
Hahahahaha

>>96245498
>Although James might have sneakily changed their points value with the plastic kit.
The points are the same but you are stuck with the default loadout of Lightning cannon, claw, and plasma

>>96245743
DA trait doesn't actually work in combat. Combat resolution modifies the result of your dice rolls, not your leadership itself.

Finished him but something's a bit off, not sure what I'm not 100% happy about

>>96245264 (OP)
Lost to the Nails sounds pretty thematic I like it

>>96246138
Companions are incredibly expensive (10 in a Land Raider costs the same as a Falchion). They're a death star, but without Jump packs, Line, or Vanguard I'm not sure they're worth it

How likely were the legions to steal another legion's equipment? Mainly thinking about their dedicated helmet variants. Could you have IW using DA helmets, or SoH using IF helmets, etc? Were any of the legions more or less likely to do it?

>>96246541
Yeah it's a galactic civil war they were intercepting supply lines on a regular basis. I think most are doable but they'd definitely file off any legion insignia

>>96246534
The eternal warrior 1 and lack of bulky makes them really good at punching up vs other elite bulky units. Consider how much a 10 man termie retinue is with the spartan needed to carry them vs the 10 companions in a land raider.

>>96246541
>Were any of the legions more or less likely to do it?
There's one very obvious answer to this question that you seem to not have thought of.

>>96246553
AL roleplaying doesn't count

>>96246551
Vanilla Cataphractii and a number of legion elites terminators have vanguard, so directly contribute to you winning the game by doing their job. Companions are a very expensive option to deter the opponents vanguard units

>>96246485
Even if you interpret it wrongly so that it works, it's barely every going to kick in

Are there any melee weapons with +A positive attack modifiers? Besides double lightning claws

>>96246541
Legions were cobbling together mkv out of scraps because they were struggling to even put everyone in a working suit of power armour.

You bet your ass people were looting supply lines/corpses to keep numbers up.

>>96245623

You'd be lucky if Varagyr get access to the Termi melee weapons list. It's a free pdf, they aren't going to revisit every unit in the Libers.

Alright boys place your bets, legacies today?

>>96246609
Friday 4:45pm UK time

>>96246609
Absolutely no chance. If they couldn't manage their first reasonable deadline then they sure as shit didn't work over the weekend

>>96246541
Unlike lorelets say, it was rare except for AL or blackshields.
Astartes are deadly serious about heraldry and pageantry. Captured gear would have been cleaned of recognizable insignia, and modified to fit their new owners.
Rare exceptions would have been gifts or trophy weapons in the hands of the more edgy legions like NL

Sorry for posting again, took a different picture and it looks much less washed out in more natural light

>>96246563
Unlike vanguard units, companions score more than 1 point for holding an objective. Vanguard is too easy to deny for an opponent with half a brain cell. You can even give them line from the master of signals you were gonna take anyways, so that point is moot. If you’re playing DA, you’re only ws5 vanguard option are assault vets anyways, so you don’t really have much of a choice

>>96246623
there's a lore blurb about an IH turning traitor, or maybe it being some other dude who took his armor, but still kept all his insignias and broadcast his DI codes. It mentions how IH always mark the soldier as KIA in these cases. So it was something that happened often enough for them to develop a policy on the matter

>>96246623
No one is saying they're just gonna pick up a DA hat and put it on anon.
But yes they will pick it up, slap their own legion colours abd iconography on it, and replace their damaged helmet with it.

>>96246675
There's a few swaps that work especially well imo, and I'm sure there are others that creative anons can make work.

DA helms on iron warriors could easily work. WE helms with the bunny ears removed make particularly brutal mk3/Sarum hybrids

>>96246669
That's a very good point. Fair analysis. What makes you say Master of Signals is an auto-include though? Plenty of generic solid HQ options (and the Hekatonistika Paladin) competing for slots

>>96246541
just do it, it is your money. Why do you let weak characters explain life to you?

What bolter pattern are these supposed to be?

>>96245515
Oh what I'd give for a 28mm scale warmaster titan...

>>96246784
a used car, roughly

>>96246777
Umbra, they have the disc on the rear of the receiver and the long bar and square lug ejector round the shell port.

>>96246777
MkIII Crusade pattern, perhaps?

So it's the >>96244812 guy from last thread and I've since discovered that 5 Headhunters with Meltabombs (all) and MultiMelta's leaves me with exactly enough points for an Eversor assassin.

So, I feel like that might be a good starting place for this idea, and from there I can expand out into things like Learneans, Warcrime Rapiers and their Warcrime Daddy, and Explorator Landraiders to carry Learneans in.

>>96246777
>playing the "what armour/weapon mark is this?" game with HH book covers
Madman.

>>96246820
Fair. It's just that every single bolter in the covers looks like that.

>>96246813
What loadouts are you thinking for the explorators?

>>96246777
If that guy straightens out his neck the topknot will bounce against the armor. LMAO what a fag

>>96246822

Not a clue, those are in the distance. I gotta get in some models and start making sure my AL paint recipe works. I gotta work out how I'm going to do my AL style Mors, and in a way that they still look like they work with the normal Recon Troopers. I've got to source AL parts from Etsy. Where I'm going to get Combi-Bolters for the Headhunters, how I'm going to convert ordinary dudes into a Sab and Master of Signals repsectively.

>>96246777
Neil-Roberts Pattern, because that did whatever the fuck he wanted, for better or worse

>>96245585
>>96245594
As a note I think if you're gonna do interdiction cadre marines, they NEED to be 20 man squads; wasting a reaction point on a MSU squad of tacs or despoilers just isn't worthwhile.

You also say DG marines are probably the best, but I think SoH are worth consideration as one of the best; having access to a multitude of elite slots means you could be backing up your cadres with Seeker Squads, and makes them an incredibily viable ally for any army that wants to mass deploy elites and cadre units.

Who gets to use the red & black paitnjob in the SoH hierarchy? Obviously the Justaerin and thei r transports get it, but I've also seen dreadnoughts. Does this mean they were Justaerin before getting entombed and kept the scheme? So Justaerin is more of a title rather than a battlefield role? Could other Termie Mks wear the paint scheme too? I've even see regular PA marines with the scheme in some official art, what does it mean?

>>96246629
looks real sick

>>96246941
Justies were a group in the 1st company.
Lorewise there's nothing stopping them from wearing other types of armour when the need arises (I.e. jumpack dropping out of a thunderhawk probably works better than dropping like a rock in cataphractii out of the sky.

For dreads, yeah it seems pretty safe to say if a justie gets dreadnought'd, he'd still be in the club, and probably even more badass now.

>>96246966
I think the jump pack example is specifically something they're unlikely to do since their whole thing is deep striking via teleportation. While we're on the topic of Justies, what does the topknot mean?

>>96238718
What colors did you use for the blue?

>>96246969
The topknot is Cthonian ganger culture

>>96246969
it means the designer likes abaddon

>>96245515
>>96246784
>>96246787

I'm currently building one.
Costed 3 week end and maybe 115 in resin.

>>96246777
"Yeah that looks like a bolter" pattern boltgun, deployed across almost every battlefield across both the heresy any beyond

>>96247009
This might actually be canon

>>96247011
Got the files?

>>96247014
Crazy how it still looks more like a bolter than the primaris bolt rifles.

>Opponent tries to charge Exodus or Alpha Legion recon squad
>Use evade reaction
>Move 4/5 inches away after set up move
>Counts as two inches further away due to Alpha Legion rule
>Can never be charged unless you literally sit on top of them

The time of the Alpha Legion is now

>>96247055
pretty sure you could already do this last edition

>>96245274

Dead game, dead thread

Reposting to correct thread. Centurions on 40mm bases, yay or nay?

>>96247080
I think if they need it yeah it’s fine.

>>96247055
that's quite the useful trait, extremely non-dark-angelesque

>>96246504
Missing banner and skull

>>96247011
Hell yeah

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

Wargear is back lads

>>96247128

207 pages lol

>>96247128
Oh thank god

>>96245306
>>96245626
>>96247071
Stop whining, you're getting your big update before xmas.

>>96247128
>207 pages
It's a whole fucking liber.

>>96247128
>they put everything back in
Wait... did something good happen?

How many wagies had to work all weekend LMAO

Why make the distinction if you claim there's no difference between core and expanded? Why not just release all rules in digital format and release black book style campaigns from time to time?

Varagyr and Deathsworn are back baby

>>96247128

>>96247128
1d6c lads gonna be busy

>>96247128
>centurion weapons are still heavily restricted
Killing me here.

>>96247146
The 3.0 tactica page is still 90% just the 2.0 text. I need something new to read on my daily commute

>>96247144
>no boxnaught talons
Shite.
>>96247146
Is there even a tactica page for 3.0? I couldn't find one the other day. Or any mention of 3.0 in the heresy page for that matter.

>>96247128

Looking good

>>96247128
>Word Bearers Diabolist
Wasn't that one in the Liber already?

>>96247150
>centurion
No? Do you mean consul?

>>96247152
There is, but like the other anon said it's still mostly 2.0 stuff yet to get touched up. Predators don't even have a description yet

Why yes, I would like T6/4++/W2 Terminators (T7 IH) with Power Fists for 45pts a head.

>>96247128
>wolf guard terminators and deathsworn get their gear back
>slayers don't
Eh, it's something.
>mfw terminator siege squad
If only generic terminators could get at least havoc launchers...
>castraferrum still doesn't get HK missiles back
>no IC HQ for SA, have to be a command squad
Boo!

>>96247161

>you can swap out character jetbikes HB for the other guns now
Heresy is saved

>>96247153
So... what's the difference with the normal tartaros (that can also take powerfists now)?

>>96247156
Of course. Some of them still only have options for the volkite serpenta.

>>96247153
>All heavy weapon terminator unit
I've been dreaming for times like these, a proper Devastator Terminator squad

>>96247169
The deal with consuls seems to be way more deliberate than just corporate boxlocking. Seems like they want each consul to have their thematic weapons instead of people spamming thunderhammers on everything.

>>96247168
Second to last option.

>>96247174
Oh fuck they can all get heavies? That's cool. Though this seems like it'd fit cataphractii more.

AL BROS WHAT WE STEALING?

>>96247168

The fluff blurb definitely makes it sound like the Fists/Hammers were supposed to be enough.
I suspect the heavy weapons bit may be a recent change...

damn okay

>>96247164
Disappointed grey stalkers are just nothings now bit varagyr all armed with autocannons or heavy flamers could be very funny

>>96247176
Can't let BA players take 10 assault cannon Cataphractii.

>champions still can't have anything other than paragon blade
Wtf

>no Autek Mor
My cope: he's getting a bespoke model with rules in a future journal tactica.

>>96247153
I'm feeling nuTartaros are power weapons with a hammernator upgrade kit. Fist Tartarosii will not survive into 4.0.

Are Fulmentarus good? they look good

>>96247128
I dunno Iron Warriors bros, how do we feel about this sheet?
Ignores Cover and that's it?

Pleasantly surprised this is an actual vet squad and not just "breachers that can take volkite"

Talons are still raped I assume until they get their actual liber

>>96247192
Cowards.

>>96247153
Holly shit its actually real, full heavy weapon termie squad, I'm going to cry

>>96247209
I'm quite happy with the new veteran design. Never occured to me but it's a pretty cool concept and it makes a lot more sense realistically.

>>96247209
>Another reason not to take UM pretorians
yay

The Horus Heresy is saved.

>Atramentar stay WS4
Fantastic. I can keep making fun of them for being scrubs.

>>96247187
Stalkers were a 2.0 creation that didn't really do anything besides allow GW to keep selling two separate kits and pretend they were for different units. Stalkers and Slayers were nigh identical save for their starting gear and Slayers having a few less options. In 1.0 Slayers had some ranged options. All 3.0 had to do was give Slayers the ability to take 1 special/combi-weapon per 5 models, even if just as a Legacy option.
>varagyr all armed with autocannons or heavy flamers could be very funny
They've always had that option. For me, the funnier option back in the day was a chainfist and lightning claw. They'll get +1A for having two Specialist Weapons and you can choose between anti-infantry and anti-tank attacks.

>>96247225
Leakerchad saved us all

>>96247132
this is the magical power of outrage and boycotting.
We didn't need to spend a penny and scared them so shitless their 7 page legacies became 207 pages out of fear.

>>96247232
Pretty funny how you can take an Atramentar squad and not give them the Atramentar upgrade. Or you can make them double-Atramentar

>>96247242
He actually might have.

>>96247222
They're 110 more points than praetorians

>>96247242
Fuck Pardo!

>legacies doc is 207 pages
>winters just misspoke when he said the legacies doc was (20)7 pages
This was always the plan

>>96247128
>190 starting
>BS4
>lost chainswords
>35ppm sunkillers
>lost the fortification
but
>25ppm CHOOM
>squad can go to 20
>multimeltas

>>96247153
>Thousand Sons can now have a 11man squad with 10 5+ rending Reaper Autocannons and a character joins them to cast 7 toughness.
Absolutely BROKEN.
That's half a squad of justaerin gunned down every turn, while having zero weaknesses now, and tanky and good at melee too.

>>96247260
I mean, I'm sure they did some touchups, but if someone believes they wrote two hundred pages in a weekend I'm gonna call bullshit.

>>96247267
it's a text editor and statblocks, they didn't do new paintings or sculpt something new, you autistic fucking child. Yes, they could entirely have written 200 stat changes in a week if they paid 3-4 autists to sit down and do it.

>>96247270
Yeah anon I'm sure they wrote 500 statlines at random per hour to make it in time.

>>96247128
>Jet bike characters can take heavy weapons
Damn. All that bitching was worth it

>>96247242
leaker anon was on the flight of eisenstein and warned us all. He walk in the emperor´s light forever more.

>>96246629
Looks great except for the undrilled barrel.

>>96247275
Yes, retard neckbeard faggot
>Reaver Attack Squad
>Any Model in this Unit may have its bolt pistol and chainaxe exchanged for one pair of lightning claws for +10 Points
per Model.
>The Reaver Chieftain may have melta bombs selected for it for +10 Points.
That must have taken them like 2 hours to write. Clearly they've been working for 3 months to write that.

The continued bimboification of Honoured Telemechrus shall not stand

>>96247137
>everything
Well, except for all the options that the Liber Consuls still don't have.

Also lol, lmao - the Tartaros Siege unit has a fluff blurb about powerfists, chainfists, and thunder hammers...and the actual rules only give them the choice between default power weapons and chainfists.

Oh yeah this was totally the plan all along u guise, they were always going to give us all this stuff back, nothing to do with the "whiners"...

>>96247128
NOW you've got my attention GW

>>96247267
You're too stupid to have the power to call bullshit. It's not in your repertoire. Can't do it.

The apology/reassurance article came out on July 16. Even the most conspiracy-minded person would say that they've been working on the Legacies since then, at the very least. 99% of the most conspiracy-minded would also say that *some* Legacies were worked on for much longer than that, since their general existence was acknowledged a while ago.

0/1000 people would say that they only began writing additional unplanned Legacies over the weekend.

>>96247302
oh fuck, special weapons and implacable advance

>>96247302
>called veteran heavy support squad
>all the text calls them veteran support squads
>they can be outfitted as either
GW pls

>>96247128
>Mounted Forge Lord has terminator's option for exchanging the combi-bolter and no option to exchange the bolt pistol
Now, lets see how long it'll take for James to unfuck this PDF with another.

>>96247311
>they can be outfitted as either
Ain't that the point of veterans?

>Diabolist on foot
>IN 8
>Diabolist on Scimitar Jetbike
>IN 8
>Outrider Diabolist
>IN 7
Lel

>>96247294
They might as well have skipped him and Locutarus. The generic units are better
They could have made argean power swords a piece of gear anyone can exchange for a power word for +5p and called it a day

>>96247320
>Bikers are retarded
More at 11

>>96247320
Takes a lot of brainpower to not drive over to pot holes

>>96247320

Clearly the Outrider version doesn't wear a helmet

>>96247321
Locutarus are only a little more expensive than similarly kitted assvets but get a native 2+ save, which is a huge survivability buff

Besides drop pod assaults, what units or tactics is the most fluffy for sons of horus ?

>Rejoicing over a legacies pdf

>>96247304
>The apology/reassurance article came out on July 16. Even the most conspiracy-minded person would say that they've been working on the Legacies since then

Well they'd be retarded because legacies was announced at the same time as 3rd edition/saturnine box

>>96247337
go back tourist

Destroyers - wielders of the most unconscionable, terrible, and dangerous weapons out there - still limited to the weakest of the disintegrator weapons, and only 1-in-5.

>>96247214
But not until people bought the Saturnine for that purpose first. Gotta double dip.

It's not a terrible idea though.

>>96247276
One of the few outright upgrades from 2.0, and not a terrible one.
Does mean you can slap a multi-melta on basically any character now...

>>96247326
They've always been far too cheap for what they do.

>>96247334
>drop pod assaults
RIP.

>command slot so prime advantage (i.e rewards of treachery)
>AP2 at initative weapon so decent in challenges
>only 135pts
>Delegatus rule where they can pick a apex detachment
>MoTL

Jesus fucking christ what have they been feeding him?
Skorr is BY FAR one of the best things AL have now, literally zero reason to ever take a praetor with him around

>>96245264 (OP)
>Over 200 pages

FUCKING LMAOOOOO WHY DIDNT THEY JUST INCLUDE THIE SHIT IN THE LIBERS

>>96247364
Luckily works fine in legions imperialis.
And anyway the most important rule is rule of cool

Praise the leaker anon.

Also I have to give credit to GW: they managed to respond to the players' concerns, and did it fast enough despite some hiccups. This probably saved the game. Good on GW that you fixed your mistake.

I do wonder what this means for the units that are forthcoming with the Journal Tacticas, though.

>>96247315
My point is they should've been called Veteran Support Squads, or VSS. Calling the VHSS is either a typo or GW retardation.

>>96247368
>By far best thing
>Traitor

Get that shit outta my face. In this house, we only teach LOYALIST Alpha Legion!

>hammerfall bunker still present

jej

>>96247403
>ap3 heavy bolter on the hammerfall bunker that can make multiple shooting attacks
Fortification bros?

>>96247341
>argumentative ESL manlet doesn't know the meaning of the expression "at the very least"

>AL can equip anything that can take a combi-weapon with either banestrike boltguns or banestrike combi-bolters
>yes, this means you can give regular banestrike boltguns to terminators for the lols (would a boltgun on a terminator look cool?)
>effrit are a recon slot, perfect for the AL detachment which has 2 prime recon slots and are BS5 with 2 wounds
>skorr
>all the units coming back to steal

>>96245264 (OP)
IRON WARRIOR BROS

SHRAPNEL WEAPONS ARE BACK

>>96247405
Make a point that isn't vague and nebulous then come back

>>96245264 (OP)
So uh, what do
>we
think about GW and the pdf? I think it’s pretty good but what the fuck are they going to add with the journals now?

>>96247429
new units?

>>96247429
Now that I’m looking at it, all of the legacies units have fluff text… do you think they straight up ripped stuff from the future journals and just put them here?

>>96247429
>>96247434
They said they'd also add reworked legacy units in the journals too, I'd bet some of the units in the pdf weren't originally in there because they were going to be added back later but due to backlash added them now so they are usable until the journals release

>>96245264 (OP)
>Mortificator gives access to THREE contemptor dreads

>>96247185
So heavy weapons with another wound? Am I missing something?

>>96247455
You can freely mix heavy and special weapons.

>>96247455
can take special weapons and disintegrator types

>>96247355
Destroyers have ap3 poison 2+ grenades that they can all use

>>96247429
Probably just some other odd weird new units or official kitbashes, wholly expecting them to do Rhino + Tarantula for a Legion Razorback at this point..

>>96247128

>Terror Troops STILL can't take a gun and a close combat weapon.
>Gain a weapon that's LITERALLY THE SAME AS ONE THEY ALREADY HAVE.

JAMES!

>>96245264 (OP)
RYLANOR is finally here

>>96247275
And I'm sure they were delayed because James had to kiss every model in the factory on the head as good luck all weekend

>>96247326
Basic jump pack vets have 3A
Jump pack command squads has 3A, a 2+sv and can take combat shields and a power weapons for 20p more
The breaching 5+ doesn't really make up for it imo

>Morlocks are T5 W2 2+/4++ models with Eternal Warrior (1)

>>96247469
He's so ass

>>96247480
no hammers though

>>96247469
>CL 12
>IN 5
Mathematically a based retard.

>>96247285
If they did this up in a week with copy paste it would be rife with errors like the Libers which they had unlimited time to make before they were even announced yet I'm not seeing any obvious errors or anything posted here/other places

>>96247421
Nothing about it was vague, you illiterate dunce.

>>96247449
Fuckin bullshit that it doesn't give access to other talons e.g. 4 contemptors, 3 leviathans, 2 saturnine

It would have been cool if the Forge Lord in termie armour let you take castellax and the mounted forge lord let you take vultarax instead of thallax. Kind of a missed opportunity to get brother of iron back

>>96247491
Why did they need the fucking weekend if it was all ready and according to plan?
According to you they also had unlimited time to work on this

>>96247489
I don't think the EB version could take hammers either, so it's no loss.

>>96247449
>1 more than a centurion
>Same as a centurion with prime slot
It's not that big of a deal desu. But it's neat

>>96247166

>Iron Hands now get access to Shielded T5 Hammer-nators.

>>96247501
The intern writing this at 3am on Saturday would've gotten shot if the tempo dropped before 3 profiles an hour so no time to think about it

>>96247502
They had half a day extra, GW isn't paying wagies overtime to finish this

>hydras wail now makes enemy units within 12" rolls 3d6 drop the lowest for INT and CL checks

what could this fuck over/be paired with?

>>96247177

EVERYTHING.

Also, the Ifrits aren't bad and you can just use Recon Troopers to represent them or vice versa. Have them down on a point, playing their Vuvuzela's like it's 2010, fucking up peoples Pinned checks.

>>96247128
What's the point of a primus medicae? He's just a more expensive apothecary

>>96245274
Talons. Bananas lost a few things, SoS are all but squatted, neither can actually run as an army anymore, and there won't be a liber till spring next year at the earliest. More likely midyear or even later.

>>96247526
The point of a primus médicale is to point and say "see? You can still use your primus medicae"
But also I guess take a jetbike or terminator armor

>>96247368
>15p more than a preator
What's the point?
He's just a centurion with preator rules instead of officer of the line and a worse paragon blade for more points than a preator
Am I missing something?
As a Second preator in the army is great to have if you ned another apex detachment and more reactions but it's not a good substitute for a normal preator

>DA get three new termie squad variants
>five if indomitus and siege tarts are counted
It feels so good because it is.

>>96247415

>Anyone in the entire army can just swap their Bolt weapon out for a Shrapnel Equivalent.
>The entire army now effectively has Pinning (0) making it something that will, inevitably happen at some point, rather than if.
>Completely redefines the Legion by giving them an actual playstyle.

Holy shit. Back on the menu, indeed.

>>96247128
I'm surprised they gave all the consusls bikes and termie armour

>>96247555
means you can make a list with centurions and consuls and skip the praetor for MoTL and apex detachment

>>96247525
So, basically treat Effrits as elite Recons? From what little I was playing around with New Recruit, filling out all of Headhunter Leviathal can still get expensive unless you go MSU.

>>96247409

Yeah, AL were always going to do well from this, but yeah I wasn't expecting to be this good. Still would have liked more wargear options for the base Liber units, but we get what we can get.

>>96247267
LITERAL RETARD AND SHILL ALERT
> Troonhammer just emailed you they want you are a staff writer
> AoD discord Code Troon just messaged, they want you as a new mod (just confirm you are trans)

>>96247301
STOP NOTICING
CHUDS LOSE OK???

>>96247566
You avoid taking a praetor by paying more than the praetor and taking up a command slot for it, instead of the sot only praetors use, which takes away 1 or 2 normal aux detachments.
I still don't see the point unless you have some personal grudge against praetors

>>96247455
Heavy weapons with a wound and a few more weapons options. But yes.

You pay double the base points (and an elite slot) but youre better off vs small arms fire.

What's smokescreen do? Wondering if scouts worth taking over recons

I don't play WE but stoked to see Trarii be playable under veteran breacher squads

>>96247409
WAACfags we keep on winning!

>>96247579
Tourist post

>>96247253
>you can take an Atramentar squad and not give them the Atramentar upgrade
They have impact(I) and deep strike, what would it do for them?

>>96247599
Lets you use a reaction for 5+ shrouded save

>>96247368
>zero reason not to take him
but AL are loyalists, anon

>>96247128
>Had to rewrite the Warmonger rule to exclude Saturnine terminators so they have a reason for the praetor sat rule to exist

>>96247615
Enable them to wear a hat on top of their hat

Now that we've seen that legacies is doa, how long it will take for the community to switch over to His edition?

>>96247623
Here's you (you)

Does anyone have a pic of the implacable advance rule? Can't find it in all my saved leaks

>>96247620
We deepstriking Termies now

>>96247526
The same as it was last edition, for him to be mounted/in different armor for keyword purposes so he doesn't gimp whatever unit he joins

>>96247267
>in a weekend
In three weeks*

>3W 2+/5++
Are bike command squads actually good?

>>96247579
Utterly mindbroken

is the excindio allowed to be good yet

>>96247657
Last edition you couldn't put a normal apothecary on a termie squad

>bike command squads are 3w
Place your bets: mistake or the new meta

>>96247671
And this edition if you do it fucks over your cataphractii since he doesn't innately have heavy, while a Primus medicae can

>>96247522

Pinning weapons. Nemesis Bolters, Kraken Bolters, Phosphex Rapiers... also anything with Stun or Suppress, so Rotor Cannons and... I'm not actually sure what does Stun in the general wargear list off the top of my head.
Park em on an Objective, have them and a Seeker Squad make sure that anybody who get's close isn't going to be scoring points.

>>96247571
Both recon slots are primes, so there's that. Although how useful that will be is up in the air since you need a Command choice to take Wages of Treachery, and you can only take Logistics once.
That said, they are a straight up upgrade to Recon Troopers. You have zero reason other than point costs not to take these guys over the normal Recon Squad. They're BS5 instead of 4. They have better Ld, Cl and Int. They can all be given Meltabombs for 25pts instead of just the Sargeant for 10, AND they lose Support Squad (2) so you can claim the centerline point with them.

Their downsides are they are more expensive than Recon Troopers. 35pts baseline and Nemesis bolters are 10pts, not 5 like it is for Recon Troopers. So a 5 man squad with Nemesis Bolters is 135 Vs 185pts. Compared to... well, Seekers who are cheaper than both of them at 105pts and Headhunters who are 125pts. 145pts if you give one of them a Precision 4+ Multimelta because that's funny.

>>96247607
Vanguard 3, fit in a rhino. Absolutely hyped

>>96247616

I miss shroud bombs. But they're basically the only thing AL players DID lose, really, so whatever.

>>96247653

>Astronaut with a Gun.JPG

>>96247128
>DA enigmatus swords are ap 4 no breaching.
>Overcharge for a regular power sword stats striking at TH initiative.
Hahaha DA rules are a joke at this point

>>96247670
Ap3, breaching 5+ is not amazing but WS5 +Hatred most things is pretty good

>>96247670
looks great to me. But 0-1 sucks, I always wanted to run 2 haha

How pissed off will people be if I take a Librarian in a world eater army.

I want a big buff wizard with biomancy running around and pulling off tank doors to get to the soft insides

>RG
I can understand no camo for points, that's fair. But no corvid pack upgrades? A nameless outcast Moritat can have one but not a chaplain? Also no one can take talons still?

Deliverers don't have eternal warrior 1 sad but they kept talons and deepstrike. So that's something.

>TS
D2 breaching 6+ plasma that doesn't get hot? That rending spam will use to melt all infantry in the game? That seems like a choice.

>Generic
Mortalis Destroyers don't get the blaster but VHSS are "oops all special or spam AP2 disitigrators!" that's stupid.

Bike HQ heavy weapon options is awesome though.

Primus Medicae seems useless other than saving a detachment. He isn't even better at his job.

What do rad grenades actually do now
Are they still just -1 T on the charge?

>>96247723
>but they kept talons and deepstrike. So that's something.
Except since they can't charge, and lost their main benefit to survivability, they're much, much worse with it.

>>96247670
They seem solid. The pulsar in particular fucks given its bs5.
Not great in melee ironically.

>>96247703
Hatred in a S7 unit doesent do very much. Its the NL trait melee issue from 2,0, you cant wound on 1s.

>>96247730
No, 8" AP3 phage weapon. Volley them before running in.

>>96247730
Range 8 S4 Ap3 phage(t) weapon.

>>96247722
I've been work shopping a loyalist WE force led by a librarian and a praetor who both hate each other. You also have that conspiracy of WE librarians who tried to kill Lorgar and save Angron from daemonhood.

>>96247644
You can Volley Fire with anything not Heavy or Ordnance

>>96247733
Yeah that sucks. Not even Master of Descent will help because they can't arrive turn 1 with him due to no anti grav.

I say we just do 1e deepstrike with charges, mishap enemy places within 18" and on a 6 they just die.

>>96247722
Pre-ascension of Angron, it makes sense to me. Seems like most (or all?) of their Librarians got wiped out around that time.

>>96247185
>Full heavy DIsintegrators
>Kills 5 veterans
>Looses 1 in return
That's a lot better than the normal ones desu

>>96247610
As a genuine AL player it's kinda draining to limit yourself all the time, whether it be in LIMP, 2.0 or 3.0

rending 5+ Asphyx shels TS tactical squads with FotL are going to be fun to deal with...

this is fucking nuts

Dark Sons of Death suck? One less pistol, no vanguard at all and only extend the Stormseer's power to themselves? I don't see why they're 25pts more than the normal assault destroyers? Am I missing something?

Well fuck. Can't even have the shittier of the AP2 disitigrators. Well since no one in their right mind will ever take it I can use it as a 2 shot rad missiles launcher.

>>96247796
Go away coomer

>>96247699
>I+2 normally
>can go I-1 for S+1 power swords

>>96247795
FOTL only applies to bolters, not shrapnel or asphyx bolters.

>>96247795
How about rending aetherfire VHSS?

Warmonger is just a worse drop pod? I don't want a character to just get suppressed if I get shot when I land.

>Achilles loses special rules, gains two hull points, and its quad launcher doesn't specify any ammo restrictions.
Phosphex time, boys.
>Adherents lose their second wound, and their prophecy ability, but they treat flame weapons as assault weapons and ignore Limited (x) when making volley attacks.
They're troops, so I get it. Should still be interesting to put them in a Prime slot.
>Sanctifiers get Firestorm
Shoot 40 serpenta shots, volley 40 more without snap firing. Ultra based.

>>96247850
>Phosphex
That's now how it works now. The phosphex is already on the rapier list, but needs a siege breaker. The siege breaker doesn't actively add phosphex, he's an unlock requirement for an existing option.

>>96247828
>>I+2 normally
with AP4 no str/attacks bonus, no breach. Have fun with your 9 pillow attacks
>>can go I-1 for S+1 power swords
my bad they are only shittier power axes.

>>96247839
>>96247840

Wait... was the Heavy Aetherfire Cannon always a 5" pieplate as well as being 2 damage in the last edition?
That seems... strong? Like, in a full HSS with just these, hoofing them around, hurling monstrous pieplates onto Tactical squads if they can get within 24" of them.
Jesus, that might actually be a pretty funny use of the Warmonger.

>Teleports 20" away from your own HSS.
>Catches 7 of them in the pieplate.
>35 Str6 Wound Rolls
>Does not elaborate.

>>96247854
Ah, so there's an extra step involved. Still not horrible considering how good phosphex is.

>>96247849
Can you drop pod in Terminators? Do you have to spend £90 or £220 on a drop pod that can? Can you just do a quick kitbash for like £20 and not spend the points and pounds on the overpriced resin lumps that you'd need otherwise?

>>96247857
The blast won't get the rending power but who cares at that point.

How do you even model blasters? I was thinking of using 40k inferno flamers but maybe just blue glow volkite?

Oh but James, you forgot my illiastus support squad

>>96247796
How would you even go about doing this? Asking for a friend

>>96247850
>and its quad launcher doesn't specify any ammo restrictions.
It doesent need to, the quad launcher does it on its own. You can only fire phosphex if you bought phosphex, but you cant buy phosphex for the achilles.

>>96247875

They're literally psychic Plasma Guns aren't they? Like how Warpfire is Evil Plasma Guns.

>>96247865
Don't be poor or have better Terminators. You still can't charge with a warmonger so I don't see why you would teleport termis just to jerk off for a round getting shot.

>>96247865
No
Yes
Yes

RAW can the AL steal the DA Excindio or not? Says DA has to be the primary, but stealing an AI superweapon is my kink.

>>96247878
>you forgot my illiastus support squad
Read the wargear option. A HSS with illiastus is considered an illiastus support squad.

>>96247881

Transfers most probably.

>>96247857
>Can't take aether on jetbike
Big sad.

>>96247897
>Try to get custom transfers done
>"W-we can't print them in just white or black without some kind of outline because our printers aren't good enough"
>Meanwhile there are people running around with pin ups of their primarchs
I just gotta learn how to do this shit myself at this point

>>96247896
You're missing the point
I'm just saying that it's so fucking obvious they were just making shit up for that article

This is really good, isn't it?
15p for the whole unit to get +1 BS against vehicles if you don't move
They can't control objectives but it's not like norma HSS are good at it

>>96247128
>Delegatus
>Consul-Delegatus Rule
>A Command Model with this Special Rule unlocks an Apex Detachment, but awards Victory Points for Slay the Warlord.
apex detachment bros, we won

>>96245361
snooker formation

>>96247932
kinda won
>An Army may not include more than one Model with this Special Rule.

>>96247926
Once per battle only.
But yes, theyre basically a strictly better HSS that you can take once per army and in a rarer slot than normal HSS. They seem pretty decent but nothing like 2.0 sunkillers (good!)

>>96247128
>warmonger
>A Model with an ætheric juncture splicer has the Deep Strike Special Rule. While such a Model has joined a Unit in
Reserves which only contains Models with the [Legiones Astartes] Trait, the Infantry Type and which do not have a
version of the Bulky (X) Special Rule where the value of X is greater than 2, all Models in that Unit also gain the Deep
Strike Special Rule.

>>96247932
So does this allow you to take 2 Apex Detachments?

>>96247972
yes

>>96247972
Oh wait, it also let's you take an apex Detachment in an allied Detachment without needing to use special assignment

>>96247908
It seems likely, but frankly THAT is the kind of "miscommunication" that means nothing. If you want a sign that they were making shit up/it was WIP look at the fact sanguinary guard made it despite not being mentioned, not the fact that BA got assault cannons via wargear vs their own unit (something which can be explained by the writers telling them "yea were giving them assault cannon support squads back" and the people making the article assuming that meant an individual unit).

>>96247881

>>96248021
THIS SHOULD BE A NIGHT LORD WEAPON REEEEEEEE

>>96248029
Take traitor UM allies

>>96248031
If im taking allies as NL its a bunch of AL for disruption cadre.

>>96247905
The problem is that printers don't print white color.
You can absolutely print black without a line, you just need transparent decal paper

>>96247893
>Using this Unit
>This Unit may be included in Detachments from the Legiones Astartes Army List, where the Primary Detachment has the Dark Angels Faction. This Unit may not be selected as part of an Allied Detachment.

I assume no, AL's criteria is technically valid but it also comes to heads with this paragraph directly - and it's the only one of its kind in this file, probably done to stop this from happening. Not unlike the unit-specific retinue clauses in 2.0 that specifically call for the matching Legiones Astartes variant as well.

>>96248034
You can take as many allies as you want anon
Hell, you can take AL allies with these guys as Rewards of Treachery

>Champion still can't take shit outside paragon blade
>No Master of Armor
>Some Consul barely get options
>My power weapon Castellan is still ilegal
>No Legion version of imperial tanks outside Basilisk and Medusas
The new units are pretty interesting, Phalanx Warders and Praetorian Breachers models might be better used as veteran Breachers and Delegatus can take apex detachment while being a normal command slot.

Destroyer Chads, we won
>Shock Assault
>Firestorm
>Vanguard
>Chainswords for free
>A2, 3 on sgt
>FP2 AP3 rad missiles
>AP3 Rad Grenades for all
>Cheap for what you get
These will bully anything outside termi armor.

>>96248092
>>AP3 Rad Grenades for all
And 5ppm dual serpentas that do even more damage

>Same points as a Contemptor with the same loadout
>Same stats as a Contemptor with the same loadout
>Only difference is Hatred (WB), as if anyone needed a rule for that,
>Hatres is +1 to wound on a S10 melee weapons that literally wounds everything on 2s
I usually don't like when they remove units but fucking hell, they should have skipped this one
Locutarus are also just jumppack veterans, there no reason for them to exist when we have 2+ and 3+ sv variants with the command squads and they have 3A base, access to better weapons and invulnerable saves

>>96248092
Seem like a great way to get vanguard deep striking in and bullying tacs on backline objectives for cheap. I love the idea of hand flamers and these make them somewhat worthwhile

>>96248127
>Locutarus are also just jumppack veterans
They have a 2+ armor save, get +1A when fighting a unit with a status effect and have bespoke power swords.

>>96248027
>puts AI slop on his tanks
cringe

wait a second reaper autocannons are just worse autocannons? are the new Tartaros even worth?

>>96248168
Reaper autocannons are shorter range autocannons.

>are the new Tartaros even worth?
A veteran squad with autocannons is 40ppm.
A tartaros siege squad with autocannons is 45ppm.

You tell me.

>>96248096
>>96248143

Any reason to run handflamers over serpenta?

>>96248096
Wait what do rad grenades do? I thought they were just phage T wargear

>>96248189
Theyre a weapon.

8" 1 shot s4 Ap3 phage(T)

>>96248187
You like templates and rolling lots of dice?

>>96248193
Blast or just 1 shot?
Or do each destroyer get to throw one?

So are diabolists supposed to represent the WB's chaplains or their librarians? If these guys are chaplains, what's the difference between a librarian and a chaplain who's a psyker and studies sorcery? If they're special librarians, isn't this thing of dipping into daemonic lore already a thing done by esoterists everywhere?

>>96248209
one shot, and yes, they can all throw one.

Very cool 4chins
Really makes me want to use this dogshit site of yours

>>96248212
Theyre special librarians, yes, esoterists share a niche. But WB had a special psychic discipline in 2.0 and I guess they wanted to give it back.

>>96248212
Diabolists have had an identity crisis since 1.0

>>96247887
It's a cheaper way of getting units in, and it has a downside as a result of the price. Not everything has to be super optimal anon. I'm not paying that money so my little men can do fisticuffs a little earlier in our dolly game.

>for just 5ppm you can make your firedrakes WORSE
kek

This is the issue with having a unit balanced around its overpowered weapon. The basic 2A firedrakes just arent very good with anything else.

>>96248180
Reaper are S6

>>96248261
Were you planning to fire it at vehicles?

>>96248238
>Not everything has to be super optimal anon
But everything has to at least not suck ass. Deepstriking a melee unit sucks ass. The only unit I see a Warmonger NOT being a handicap is the Tartaros Siege termis. A bunch of termis with heavy weapons popping down is interesting and have a chance to not get suppressed by a tac squad. Even then it's iffy. With flyers being glorified tokens you don't even need to buy a kharybdis or dreadclaw model.

are we back?

>>96248271
at least light ones like rhinos

>GW last minute pivots to tartaros siege squads being all heavy weapons instead of power fists and chain fists tartaros
>now all edition people are going to be bitching about there being no cataphractii siege squad

>>96248285
We're more back, but we still need community houserules for some very easy things like HQ wargear. Legacies, to no one's surprise, was clearly not balanced but it added a lot back.

>>96248285
not really

Whats the email for FaQ questions?

>>96248304
>Legacies, to no one's surprise, was clearly not balanced but it added a lot back.
Outside of maybe bike command squads nothing seems broken. Morlocks and phalax warders seem good but theyre just another variant of "super heavy terminator deathstar"

>>96248271
S6 means you are wounding other termies at +3 instead of +2, i don't know how much it changes the math though

>>96248164
There's also non-AI ones.

>>96248153
>They have a 2+ armor save
Same as jump pack command squads
>get +1A when fighting a unit with a status effect
Starting from a base of 2, not 3 like veterans or command squads
>bespoke power swords.
Could have given those as a wargear option and even then I don't think anyone would have taken them

>>96248318
A HSS does 7.7~ wounds, the terminators do 6.7~ wounds.
So "not much".

>>96248317
TS rending 5+ damage 2 breaching aether is bananas but I mostly meant internally. RG can't give talons or packs to anyone new for no reason for example.

>>96248216
Fuck
So then what's my best source of left handed pistols?

>>96248187
Probably not

>>96248339
You mean right? Left handed is the standard with the new plastics.

>>96248285
We've just proven that bullying works and that we'll need to do it again in 2028

>>96248193
desu throwing the rads then hitting them with th hand flamers in the volley fire is probably pretty decent/same impact as serpentas?

>>96248345
Whichever opposite hand

>>96248336
>TS rending 5+ damage 2 breaching aether is bananas
"yes", but thats less the fault of the weapons themselves and more the corvidae power. It breaks all breaching weapons and abuses autocannons and shit just as hard.
>RG can't give talons
They can give talons to any command and sgt models with wargear options. Most consuls dont have many wargear options, this is clearly intentional.
>packs
Yea this one is a bit silly (see also atramentar haunt detachments not allowing for the flay-clade)

>>96248296
what i wonder is how the whole internal discussion was, maybe some higher up or veteran designer said something like "what do you mean you are making rules for terminators without power fist nor thunder hammers are you fucking retarded?"

>>96248304
>was clearly not balanced
The entire edition seems pretty well balanced to me. Just the impression though.

>>96248357
Im not smart enough to answer that, but it seems intuitively good. Its a 50% damage increase going from wounding on 5s to 4s. So really it depends on how much you hit.

>>96248365

How many games have you played to come to that conclusion?

>>96248360
Talons are only Command, but it's free.

>>96248379
Again, impression. I still play 40k and it's pretty obvious there when balance is out of the window.

>warpfire plasma kinda ass
>procurators more useful than before but still hot ass
>still no reason to take chaplains
Lame
>Diabolists actually useful
>can take a delegatus to at least get a real Apex Detachment in addition to Exalted Conclave
>gal vorbak get back power fists and special weapons
Alright I think we're back

>>96248240
Chainfists are actually al lot better against dreads and vehicles. TH don't really cut it with S7
+5ppm is really dumb when they already cost the same as normal TH on other units tho

>>96248360
>clearly intentional
And fucking stupid. Anyone with a claw should be able to take them for points.

>>96248404
>Chainfists are actually al lot better against dreads and vehicles
"yes"
But they make firedrakes A1. Which on a now what, 50ppm model is quite rough.

PDF is out
>Red Butchers get all their wargear back
>Rampagers get all their wargear back, except jump packs for some reason
>Still no Tacticals, TSS etc. with chainswords / chainaxes
James is a nigger

>>96248412
>Anyone with a claw should be able to take them for points.
All my NL with power weapons should be able to take headsmans axes.

>>96248092
>firestorm
>The rules writer was in these threads asking if this would be cool

Dear rules writer anon; Thank you, you are based.

P.s. Please try to get phosphex shells added to the Achilles

>>96248419
For points, yes.

>>96248429
Sure, for 10ppm (same as for command models).

>>96248432
Then it's a Hell Yeah from me

>>96248424
I highly doubt that was the writer. Firestorm was clearly the "destroyer rule" given both the moritat and angels tears had it.

>>96248435
Anon while thats very cool of you are you NUTS? "yea man, just give all your terminators better thunder hammers why not"

>>96248394
Nah we're not
Tainted weapons are okay but only trigger on the second round of combat unless you stick it on a character
Gal Vorbak still have an abysmal number of attacks and damage, basically a worse tartaros command squad
Dark channeling is okay at best
Legion rules still ass
Delegates doesn't make up for the fact that sons of Horus get the same detachment as us but auxiliary
And many other things

>Armistos gets Implacable Advance
>Can't use it since it can only take heavy weapons
Who makes this shit?

>>96248212
They could be either. Sorcery can be practiced by non-psykers to some degree, though psykers obviously are the most suited for it, and psychic aptitude is a relatively common gift bestowed on accomplished evil nerds. And the line gets blurry when sorcery can functionally substitute for psychic talent in some ways. In 1.0 the WB had the Burning Lore rule to represent that some of their dudes had studied up on their dark arts, and among other things this gave them a psychic level. Erebus and the like had that rule, because if he'd been a psyker from the start he'd have trained in the Libarius instead of the Chaplaincy.

Basically, just don't think too hard about it. It's a gamist simplification that works fine for what it is.

>>96248318
it doesn't in any meaningful way. Since against terms you're fishing for the breaching wounds not the ones he ignores on 2+. And the strength 6 is even less relevant on the ideal reaper spammers, thousand sons with corvidae which autowounds on 5+ to hit and automatically breaches at AP2.

Melee is absolutely fucked now. When 10 tzeentch terminators can gun down 4-5 on turn 1 from 36" and aren't significantly squishier than justaerin, and still have vanguard(3) and power axes and T5 2+/5++.

It's clear this is a "we rushed out this 207 page unbalanced hot mess to please hobbyists who'll never actually play the game and were complaining about losing modeling options - sorry we had zero time to playtest a single page of the 207"

Very much staying with HH1 or HH2 rules with a few fixes. HH3 core rules are bad and the new stuff is just game-breaking.

>>96248394
>>warpfire plasma kinda ass
It it? Its only S5 but it breaches better.

>>96248212
Wb aren’t supposed to like normal libbys cause it’s abusing the warp or something. These guys just get lorgars seal of approval. They’re also more common I guess since characters can get an upgrade to have that discipline

>>96248439
>why not
I can give mine(Deliverers) all better lightning claws. WS5 I5 termis with a boatload of attacks that are rending breaching. Seems fine to me. Any scary termi squad I just shoot anyway, I don't care what melee they have.

>>96245264 (OP)
Where the fuck do I buy flamers or alchem flamers from? Please any recommendations would be appreciated

>>96248456
The legacy rules themselves are balanced. The offender is the thousand sons power.
>no you dont understand, the issue isnt the one power that abuses all breaching weapons like mad, its that they added breaching weapons in the legacy document


>>96248472
Have you tried bits sellers? Or maybe a 3d printing service?

Dark Angel chads: Which are we choosing? I'm thinking Tartaros

>>96248414
It's quite rough on normal terminators too
It's just that TH simply can't wound AV14 no matter the attacks
And against a T8 dread a single chainfist attack is about the same as 3 TH attacks
Still not good firedrakes but it's not abysmal for specific targets

>>96247444
Alright intern
Now you need to rewrite every single journal

>>96248449
Him and the Primus Medicae they really phoned in.

>>96248468
>I can give mine(Deliverers) all better lightning claws
Yea you can already do that.

>>96248461
20 points per gun
As a side grade or even 15pts I can sorta see it
At 20 I can just get another marine to compensate for the overheat

>>96247128
Legacies is more interesting than the liber

>>96248511
Oh right. RIP.

>>96248464
Do they even have normal libbies? I know like two dozen WB chaplains/apostles but can't for the life of me think of a single libby.

>>96248456
>we rushed out this 207 page unbalanced hot mess
Which units seem unbalanced and OP to you shitposter-sama? Better or worse than 2e huscarls and fulmentarus?

>>96248508
That's my entire point

EC bros i don't feel so good.

Phoenix rapier
>Inferior to the Power Spear, which is +10pts for sergeant+ with a power weapon. but ~5pts cheaper (still 15 pts is expensive).

0-1 Sun killas
>Elites (it's over)
>BS4 (it's over) but BS5 once per battle only against Vehicles.
>LD9 CL9
>can take two items from legion equipment list instead of one.
>15pts more expensive than hss, plasma 5pts more expensive

Rylanor (War Engine)
>WS4 just like everyone else lol, but CL 12
>cost as much as a similarly equipped Contemptor with the additional useless lore-friendly rule: "Rylanor can fight in a Challenge when Fulgrim is the Challenger."

Palatine Blades Aquilae
>30pts more expensive than PBs on foot.
>can take power weapons fro free but their weapons and free ppower spears are better.

>>96248486
Pick related

>>96248327
>>96247796
Do you have the original art?

>>96248543
>>30pts more expensive than PBs on foot
That seems fine given theyre like twice as fast. Its 30pts or a transport.

>>96248551
I want the retard who was claiming they were GOING to be 3w and broken to commit sudoku. What were you thinking?

Fucking hell, they've overcompensated hard for all the past HH and 40k editions where this guys has been unplayable

>Dominators still good

>>96248566
taking into account they are in 2+ with vanguard 3 and +1S AP3 breaching 5+ weapons (and can exchange a couple of them for spears for free) they seem great and cheaper than in 2.0

>>96247678
> Destroyed by a single melta support squad
Oh yeah. Real meta.

>>96248579
nta but with EW(1) they might as well have it

I guess master of armor might be a journal consul right?

>>96248587
Setting melta damage to 1 on a dread is fucking evil

>>96248588
I like how GW removes Champions and adds irrelevant restrictions to Retinue units to make them cheaper.

>>96248556
The non-AI are from Cnmbwjx. As for the AI art, the creator did post a link to them, it seems:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11AVw4PCzlEFh1-_gXlxKxsi5gycaEpu8

>>96248621
What is that suppossed to be?

>>96248543
>>96247262
sunkillers lost a lot more than that

>>96248632
I'm convinced
I'm for female marines now

>>96248603
I think the EW(1) makes the actual wounds difference more pronounced. Yes, they functionally have 3 wounds vs many of the more popular weapons (like thunder hammers and fists). But damage 3 still kills them and theyre no more durable vs damage 1 weapons.

>>96248587
I dont think hes bad, but he doesent seem broken. Cant challenge, only 5A or something, no real shooting, no master of the legion, only ws5? You wouldnt feel bad taking him, but hes not exactly busted either.

>>96248639
Tank HQ from the Armored Spearhead RoW

>>96248639
some irrelevant shit you got in a rite of war no one played, gave a tank 5++

Iron havocs seem shit and not worth it vs veteran HSS. Sure they dont take an elite slot and are better than regular HSS but surely youd want the fuckers to stay alive more?

Bro's I'm hyped again

>>96248690
Truly.
All it took was the community (excluding the shills and troons) banding together and saying NO to the faggot company

>>96248690
Here let me help with that:
Remember that all of this is just going to get deleted again in 3 years

>>96248672
I think its the opposite, veteran HSS seem bad in most situations, while havocs have a use case. HSS counterbattery is usually other HSS or tanks, where 2w doesent matter, ignoring cover is at least situationally fantastic (50% damage increase vs 5+ cover)

>>96248713
>Don't play this edition becasue next edition might be bad
Truly the most retarded doomer argument
If they remove it in 4th, don't play 4th. It's not that hard

>>96248713
Then we will just raise hell, again, and crater the sales of the new box, again, and GW will fold, again.

>>96248713
Yeah, just say no to 4e. We already banded together to get our legacies. We can do the same with this.

Go out of your way to say "no edition churn" or "say no to 4e" on posts, slip in notes in model pics, etc. make it your email signature. They'll get the hint the should develop 3e instead. We need to start now. 4e development starts in 18 months.

Man. Imagine if GW was like 15% more competent and either printed these options in the book or was just more honest about them coming/when? How much easier things would have been.
The legacy rules seem pretty high quality, all the units seem interesting and usable, nothing seems insanely busted (even if some units seem strong). They keep writing the actual units and shit well, and then just giving themselves bad PR for no fucking reason.

>>96248690
In this moment I am euphoric
Not because of some phony pdf's blessing
But because I am enlightened by GW firing half the rules staff

>>96248725
i think Veterans HSS are better used as TSS

Given disintegrator vet tactical squads were pretty shit but a cool idea despite being only really worth it to kill other vets, I feel like the vet HSS is just straight up better due to the range of the heavy version, or having ap2 whislt moving with the blaster.

>>96248773
That could be it. There the durability vs small arms is more relevant.

>>96248690
>>96248713
I still think the core rules are fucked beyond reasonable repair, so the legacies, at best, give me two or three ideas for backporting.

>>96248757
>then just giving themselves bad PR for no fucking reason.
It wasn't no reason this time. Legacies was going to be sub 10 pages and they were absolutely going to try to cull the game options like 40k. But we rallied and they took nearly 4 weeks to add almost everything back.

They brought it on themselves with "boxlock to to store in printed media, with few caveats."

>>96248751
>>96248736
They're already working on 4th so hopefully this debacle is fresh in their mind
Hell they can probably justify it by releasing a half baked "consul upgrade sprue" with a jump pack, rider legs and a few weapons
But we still need to remind them well in advance of 4th

>>96248807
>4th
I'm doing my part in saying NO to 30k 4e now.

>>96248794
sure champ

>>96248829
>event unfolded in front of their very eyes
>still defends the billion dollar company
Hey, you're not likable.

>>96248486
sticking with the normal companions because I want a 10 man squad.
Otherwise, I think tartaros migfht be better because of the set up move they can make.
Cataphractii companions have PF for +5 pts so that might also be something.
That said : Enigmatii were butchered beyond belief ! AP4 swords ? on a limited 3 man elite squad ?

>>96248858
Go for soft targets.
Yea, they should really have had swords that turn into axes

Am I missing something or can you only include this guy in a primary detachment where he's all alone, maybe with Rubio as another choice. But they can't take anything else since no one is a knight errant aside from them?
The rule kinda sounds like it's missing a part where you can chance Knights Errant for another faction keyword or something like that

>>96248898
I don't think GW realizes that special assignment doesn't work on characters, because otherwise you could just stick him in an Allied Detachment
Other than that maybe there's a knights errant dlc book coming

guys is this an edition where legacy atramentars are good?

for 20pts over usual tartaros termies Atramentar Flay Cade gets:
-Impact(I)
-Deep Strike
-can swap power weapons for free Chainglavies (+1S Shred 6+ power sword)
- +1 to setup move if they charge into other combat
- can use sevatars LD 10 anywhere on the battlefield if he is in the army
- leader can take headmans axe for a price of TH (-1S TH with Critical Hit 6+)
- 5 pts more per model but take 20 of them.

>>96248826
If we spread this, then the shills will riot. I can see a goonshammer article on why new editions are needed.

>>96248127
Biomantic Rage dreads

I have never been more hyped to put my SA on the table, all of my options came back. It is a matter of time when we have plastic Ogryns as well, the future is bright.

>>96248757
The legacies shouldn't be as big as it is.
They could have fit all the wargear options and in the libers, and the "not in box so not in book" reasoning is retarded.
The bad PR is completely justified because GW keeps making bad decisions that should be punished and called out against.

>>96248898
>>96248918
Ohhh, wait, now I get it
Any model with the legiones astartes trait can replace it with knight errant.

>>96248826
>>96248924
You've already bought into the cope that 3.0 is worth playing. You won't boycott shit.

>>96248898
You can take him as a special assignment prime benefit command choice in an allied detachment.

>>96248949
No where does it say "play 3rd", it is simply rejecting 4th. It works regardless of what edition you play.

>>96248939
It's worded pretty weirdly but if that's the case, way to kneecap your army for absolutely no benefit, jesus

>>96248950
That only works with Command models

>>96248923
Theyre not great, but theyre not the embarassment they were in 2.0. Having fear(1) or 3A like some other similar class terminators would have been nice though, or letting everyone take the axe. Theyre also weirdly cheap with fists? Not sure if thats a typo or what, but fists are only 5pts when theyre normally 10.

All in all "not the worst, but basically just slightly better tartaros for slightly more points".

>>96248982
>That only works with Command models
Isnt it for models with the prime command force org slot?

>>96248843
I'm sure you know everything lil bro

>>96248982
>>96248991
It doesn't work but not for that reason (the whole purpose is to take high command models in command slots) but because unique characters can't take any prime advantage other than logistical benefits

>>96248991
yeas mb
Still don't really see the point to paying for a praetor with no praetor benefits...

>DG get chem flamers back on everything
>Destroyers also back
>Explicitly worded to exclude dual chem pistol Destroyers
AAAAAAAAAAAA Y THO

>>96249024
>unique characters can't take any prime advantage
Back to it not working unless he's you only unit on the primary detachment...
Anyone have the GW email for Erratas?

>effrit fuck up your INT and CL tests if nearby
>seeker boltguns can have suppressive 2 or whatever it is on it (a CL check)
>both can be taken in an AL headhunter detachment

fuck....I gotta have 4 squads of each now right?

>>96248984
>5pts when theyre normally 10.
they used to have cheaper fists in 2.0 as well as far as i remember

>>96248632
How the hell did he train a lora with 2 fucking images

Time to rewrite my list. Except it's all pen and paper, so I have to start again.

>Fulmentarus termies 290pts
>ignore shrouded by default and get +1BS for IN check.
>Fulmentarus missile array
>- Splinter missiles 36' 4A S4 AP5 1 Suppressive (1)
>- Hellfire plasma missiles 36' 2A S7 AP4 1 Breaching (5+)
i guess it's ok

>>96249117
Good output but you're paying out the ass for them
That seems to be the general takeaway for the UM's stuff

>>96249106
wut?

>tfw Leakerchad really was Nathaniel Garro flying the Eisentein out of the NDA blockade to warn us of James' treachery

Kino

>>96249117
certainly outshoots Iron Warriors dogshit Tyrants yet again.

>>96249150
you're gonna break your arm if you keep jerking yourself off like this

>>96249155
Into what? 2+ armor? Sure. Into vets? Dont think so.
Into tanks? God no.

They, finally, have very different damage profiles and things theyre good against.

>>96249146
To make ai pictures of a specific character you usually need to train the model with a lot more images than that

What is the maths on the Siege Tyrants Swarm rockets doing anything against MEQs?

>>96249150
Chat, what kind of retconned armor is this ?

>>96249204

4*2/3*1/6+4*2/3*1/2=1.8 wounds per volley if they stand still. Around 1.3 if they move.

>>96249202
And what makes you think they only used two images?

>>96249117
Smurfs officially better than IW in every way.
Stronger shooty terminators.
Stronger melee squad.
Stronger primarch.
Stronger transports.
Stronger legion trait.
Stronger gambit.
Stronger advanced reaction (two units shooting instead of +1 shot w/ overload attacks)

>>96249175
they're 575 points, siege tyrants are objectively really shitty antitank. That's almost 60 points for 1 lascannon.
That's the cost of several tanks with both more survivability than Siege Tyrants and much higher average tank-killing damage (like Kratos w/ 16 melta wounds output and 4 dmg2 lascannons that count as stationary so a single Kratos easily outshoots an entire Siege Tyrant squad)

>>96249117
At least it's not 1 plasma shot per guy and it doesn't have overload
They can kill a fair amount of MEQ without worring about return fire

>>96249070
>>96248984
their wargear is cheaper bc the point cost for a chainglaive is already built into their model cost

>>96249204
Literally just ask chat gpt after feeding a screencap of the S/T table

>>96249217
That the original artist only made 2 of them afaik

>>96248527
Yes they just aren’t that common since they generally are frowned upon. They’re still used but they’re about as liked by the legion as the librarians in we or if

>finally
Well, 3" blast sucks, but at least I can field it.

>>96249229
With a quick google I can already see at least 10. Not to forget that other artists can also draw a sexy white-haired lady in purple and gold armour.

>>96249219
Tyrants are 55ppm, same as fulmentarus. Theyre both really expensive, one unit can kill something like a predator or whatever in a volley, the other cant.

Neither unit is good as a purely shooting unit, theyre both hybrid units that leverage the ability to shoot alongside their ability to engage in melee. Although unlike siege tyrants fulmentarus compete with tartaros siege squads almost directly, since theyre both wanting to shoot the same things (infantry).

>>96249237
I think it's better than the alternative of just being a single shot weapon
it'll still core any vehicle it hits, but in case it misses, you might still be able to clip something

>Veteran Tacticals
>Veteran Despoilers (Centurion Command Squad)
>Veteran Breachers
>Veteran Assaults
>Veteran Terminators (Cataphractii/Terminator/Saturnine Command Squad)
>Veteran Support
>Veteran Recons (Seekers)
Whose missing, what, Veteran Rapiers?

What is bonded reductor? If I want to take thallax with a forge lord. I don't see it in either Libers.

>>96249261
veteran contemptors ToT

>>96249261
Veteran bikers and jetbikes. Veteran destroyers. Veteran scouts.

>>96249264
Its just their faction like "cybernetica" or "lacrymaerta" or whatever.

Dark Angels bros I don't feel so good

>>96249271
>Veteran bikers and jetbikes
we do have command squads on bikes

>Land Raider Achilles on the menu
>can take Volkite Culverins
I was wondering what to do with the old Crusader/Redeemer I’ve got, now I know.

>>96249292
vets dont have AA

>>96249280
The calibanite cyanide pill is part of our wargear.
It is now time.

>>96249280
Why? You got plasma repeaters back, the excindio is still really cool and terminator companions are also really solid. You can also give cenobium thunder hammers now. Literally what more could you want?

>>96249280
You don't like getting Eternal Warrior on your terminators for 20p per unit?

What does bitter duty do now?

>>96249159
I'm not the leaker, just a humble anon

>>96249341
can't join or be joined without having it too

>>96248047
fuck it. i'm doing it anyway, because it's fluffy. the idea that my boys steal one and it rampages through my own lines is just too funny.

>>96248925
WB don't have access to psycher dreads afaik

>>96248843
Don't respond to shills, they'll just keep moving the goalposts
Now they're saying that because NOW we have our units back, the complaints were unjustified and it was all according to kiekaku

>>96249216
Feels pretty worthless. Finally came back in stock, built and painted and now they're in no way worth their points.

>>96249365
they don't need em, you target a friendly unit when it charges

Salamanders didn’t get their flamers for everyone. WTF?

Fuck this 40k-style datasheet bullshit. Literal waste of space. The Consul system was perfect and consolidated.

Shrapnel bolters don't seem to not be able to take bayonets now, unless I missed something. That's cool, if true, and if they don't errata that soon/later.

No Warsmith options can fuck off. Should have been an upgrade like it was in 2.0 and 1.0. Also, Armistos can only take a heavy weapon? Fuck you. Lame as fuck.

Going to see what my group thinks of this because I don't really think too much of it, honestly. It's a bit of a bandage over the garbage, but it's soiled by being put over that garbage in the first place.

HH 3.0 should have just been a reprint of HH 1.0 with some fixes. What a bunch of bullshit. Fuck GW.

>>96249380
Well, they also fire the bolter so its closer to 2 marines killed each. Which isnt that bad. If you get a round of two of shooting and then get them into combat at some point theyll make their points back, potentially more.

>>96249330
They may as well have left plasma repeaters out with how shit they are lmao.

>>96249381
Locking your wargear to some of the worst possible choices just in the off chance that you are fighting a dread from a specific sub faction and the enemy brough a biomancy librarian that passes the cast and gives it a 2+ toughness is still incredibly retarded
It also only works if he's the one charging you. And considering the speed of dreads that's not even likely to happen unless you let him
This entry did not need to exist

Aether-fire pistols are D2 . . .

>Medusan Immortals can take the shield/chainsword wombo combo again
Excellent.

>>96249397
>No Warsmith options can fuck off
The warsmith does have options, you literally just have the normal praetor weapons choices.

>Also, Armistos can only take a heavy weapon?
The fuck else is he meant to take? Hes the heavy weapons dude.

>>96249280
I have my first game coming up this week end (playing against Salies and Vulkan). I obviously reserve judgement but the first legion trait is looking like it belongs in the trash when I compare it to the rest.
I hope my companions and the Lion will be abble to carry the rest of the legion.

>>96249463
DO NOT TRY AND MANFIGHT VULKAN
YOU WILL NOT WIN THAT MANFIGHT

Other than that you should be fine, companions are really good and can safely engage most melee units, just once again dont throw lion in to get mauled by vulkan, he isnt winning that fight unless the dice mega favor you.

>>96249446
>Suzerains can take THs for 10 again
it's over. (again)

>>96249446
I mean they are now only one attack base and you can't get more attacks.
Chainsword immortals have never been more useless.

>Tartarus with powerfist front and center
This feels like a calculated insult.

>>96249159
> Seething tranny pissed the CHUDS forced GW to bend the knee
Lmao you can't even afford models due to your transition drugs 'ma'am'

>>96249496
Why? Theyre just t4 terminators at that point.

>>96248767
Huh?
Care to elaborate?

>>96249504
I forgor about the 1A. Volkites and Lascutters it is, I guess.

>>96249495
>DO NOT TRY AND MANFIGHT VULKAN
>YOU WILL NOT WIN THAT MANFIGHT
Yeah I am looking at the salies rules right now and I wonder what were the writers thinking when writing Vulkan. He looks insanely Broken. I might be abble to outmanoeuvre him if he sticks him with Firedrakes (and I'm sure he will) but he sure has too much going for him.
As for the salamanders : they really stronguer overall. The Legion looks really strong.

>>96249523
Yes, everything GW does is carefully calculated to insult you in particular.

>>96249440
maybe the WB saturnine rules are something else

>>96249587
probably not a way to give them +3T

>>96249557
>As for the salamanders : they really stronguer overal
Stronger than before? Sure, the legion trait is great and they do herohammer really well, but thats basically it, theyre a very herohammer legion now.
Their special units (all three of them in the liber) arent anything insane (well, vulkan is lol). Firedrakes are just thunder hammer catas having lost their 3++, their hammers give them +1A but theyre only 2A base. Pyroclasts are better than they were before 9since they can now volley fire) but theyre still just AA dudes with meltaguns.
If hes taking vulkan + firedrakes as a deathstar thats going to be a lot of points in a very slow package that isnt actually much better at conventional combat than most other units.

Salamanders do seem really strong, but they really rely on that big climactic facemash between two big deathstars where they can edge you out. Just use your better force org to take a spread of elite units and contest them in areas where they cant be.

>>96249557
Strong but boring as fuck. Back to 1.0 and 2.0 for flavor. It’s like being given bread and saying HERES YOUR BREAD. But it’s stale. That’s 3.0 for you.

>>96249624
>than most other units.
Of its class*

Its obviously better than tacticals or despoilers, but that salamander deathbrick isnt going to get results that a regular command squad wouldnt. Not really. Just avoid the manfight and pepper them with lascannons or whatever, or let them run around with their 6" movement and 1" setup move.

>>96249624
Don't firedrakes have eternal warrior and only take 1 wound from melta weapons and such?

>>96249532
Don't argue with him
GW pays for his HRT

>>96249651
Yes but apparently that doesn't make them good to some people

>>96249651
No. Yes.

Firedrakes only take 1 wound from melta, plasma and flamer weapons (unless they trade their shields away via the legacy options, its not explained very well but its their shields giving them that). But they dont have eternal warrior, one thunderhammer or fist or TGS still kills them. Or lascannons, lascannons work wonders.

Notable absences:
>PA Paladins still have to lose their bolters
>IF Castellans still can't take options
>double melee PA Librarians are still off the table (but termies aren't)
>Praetors/Centurions still don't get Nemesis Bolters
>Jump/Bike Esoterists stuck with 1 pistol option
>Termie Esoterists can't do double melee despite their FW model being Force Weapon/LC
>Champions stuck with combi-melta or serpenta if Jump, only serpenta if Bike
>Chaplains still can't dual melee
>Siege Breakers still locked to Thunder Hammers
>MoS with melee weapon is still illegal
>Moritats still can't get melee weapons
>Only Termi Primus Medicae can have needle pistols
>Vets still don't have bolter/pistol/melee combo
>Mortalis Destroyers lost squad-wide Disintegrators
So yes we "won" some options back but that's still a lot of options left in the cold.

>Phoenix Rapier is 15 points for S3

LMFAO

>>96249675
>their FW model being Force Weapon/LC
Thats a librarian iirc.

>>96247128
>the units I was waiting for are ass
oh well maybe in 3 years

>>96249675
>>Mortalis Destroyers lost squad-wide Disintegrators
They never had them. Mortalis destroyers were special in that they could take ANY disintigrators in 2.0, but it was still a special weapon.

>>96247242
He may now rest until he is needed once more (HH 4.0)

What is this? Did I miss a Journal?

>>96249668
Its a fine rule, but its niche enough that it isnt oppressive. Its only really relevant in that you cant meltagun them down, plasma weapons are mostly D1 outside of the big blasts, as are flamer weapons.
And theres enough d2 shooting outside of them. Lascannons, autocannons, disintigrators, even missile launchers/artillery of various sorts. It also doesent help them any in melee, where they were previously very durable.

>>96249675
>list
yeah i'm ok this
>Praetors/Centurions still don't get Nemesis Bolters
Sorry, anon. Only the best and most talented legions have that.

>>96249624
>Just use your better force org to take a spread of elite units and contest them in areas where they cant be.
I am already writing the list but honestly : I'm getting far fewer prime advantages than I thought I'd get. Especially considering how listbuilding works. Salies are also getting a prime on their own detachement so I don't think I might take enough to make a difference.
>theyre a very herohammer legion now.
They probably shine in herohammer but the rest of their wargear, Vulkan basically granting his army (real) Stubborn turn 1 and their good shooting detachement tells me there is more to them thant just that. Honestly, the more I read their rules, the more I think that turn 1, his army will strictly be better than mine (due to Vulkan "sire" rule).
3.0 is new for me so there might be things I've overlooked and I'm still trying to get my head around the new force org. I don't want to sound doom and gloom but that's what it looks like to me right now.
But still. I'll wait for saturday to get my game and see haw good or bad things really are.

>>96249686
>S3
nah, S-user

Is it true that all night lords players are trannies?

>>96249720
This unit got pulled directly from a future journal
It's not certain whether it was supposed to come back in said journal or if it's a reskin of the journal unit

>>96249769
you tell me

>>96249784
>a tranny playing night lords

my god. It's all true.

>>96249765
Not even about prime, you just have easy access to a lot of very premium slots.

Deathwing means you basically have as many retinue/elites options as you want, firewing lets you spam seekers (insane btw) out the ass, dreadwing gives you more rapiers than you can manage. If you want primes you have stormwing, but the other wings are also very nice.
Most armies have to pick what flavor of nice shit they want to have, DA dont.

>I want a superheavy, but with all the statuses!
>that would be 450pts
Tremor cannon 60' 1A S6 AP4 D1 Blast (10"), Pinning (2), Suppressive (2), Stun (2)

>>96249784
>NL tranny wearing a pro-gun shirt

ah yes. America.

>>96249769
You're thinking of mechanicum

>>96249698
The one unit that should have got the blaster at least. Blaster also needs assault.

>>96249765
>but the rest of their wargear
All of their special wargear is locked to characters (or at least sgts). Its basically their old gimmick of master-crafting everything, except probably a bit better.

>good shooting detachment
Yea, its a decently good one. Really good for AT/dread.

>>96249804
Something will probably stick

>>96249806
>>96249784
>Open carry
Cease

>>96249247
Generally you want about 40.

Is it at least considerable as an option?

>>96249784
The fastest way to get head from a tranny is to tell her you like the Night Lords omnibus

>>96249838
>her

>>96249836
Sure? Its a large blast with D2 and breaching 5+ and a decent status effect for 150pts

>>96249838
you mean him

>>96249836
definitely more than last edition

>>96245264 (OP)
Holy fuck it’s Incredible reading the absolute cope 3rd edition haters are spewing in this thread, lmfao you fucking lost! Go back to 2.0 you Aussie fucks

>>96249869
>Go back to 2.0 you Aussie fucks
Most Aussies seem to be rolling back to 1.5

>>96249882
Spacker edition

>>96249836
>Is it at least considerable as an option?
Yes. Though I think I'd rather take them as solar allies for the scatter deduction and pinning or movement boost

>>96247821
>bolt pistol bayonet
strong aura

>>96249720
This is the proof that they cut units from libers just to sell you the ability to use them back in journals, and that their original intention was for there to be jack shit in the legacies pdf.

>>96249795
other armies have zero problem getting slots. And no amount of slots gets DA a real legion trait or for their shit units missing line/vanguard to gain it, or Lion to not get his asshole removed by Vulkan/Horus

>>96249552
>t4
Right, it must be my post-traumatic TH syndrome.

>>96249752
Feels weird that Tarvitz is more decked out than Lucius.

>>96249836
>Str 10 when stationary, D2, breaching 5+ and pinning 2
>Only 150 points
It's a real solid choice.

>>96249581
I knew it...

>>96249901
>other armies have zero problem getting slots
Other armies absolutely have less flexibility and options with regards to taking the nice shit than DA.

>>96249909
Don't blame you for that, Brutal was such bullshit.

>>96249909
Dont get me wrong, theyre still good, 40ppm for ws5 thunder hammer terminators. But theyre also basically just objectively worse ws5 cata terminators (for less points). Basically as slow, worse invuln, lower toughness.

>>96245264 (OP)
What kind of units and wargear should I take on my death guard for maximum war crimes?

>>96247011
Where can I get the files?

>>96249250
>vehicle it hits,
Snapshots against anything with less than 10 wounds/hp
Also 800pts is weird, still it's a more useful weapon profile than the ulator.

Bit I'm glad me shitposting my ordinatus everywhere since the announcement may have contributed to all 3 being included.

>>96249496
At least it's just 3A now and not 4

>>96249947
Destroyers, quad mortar rapiers, arquitors, a siege breaker, flamer/heavy flamer support squads, and as much alchem flamers and phospex on everything as you can manage.

>>96249956
>Snapshots against anything with less than 10 wounds/hp
It's annoying how they did that with all the big weapons. If I'm paying 800p for it I should be able to shoot at a tactical squad with it...

>>96249956
>Snapshots against anything with less than 10 wounds/hp
Yea, the superheavies it wants to fire at. Also with the new blast rules that basically doesent matter. Oh you missed yout 5+? It scatters d6 (so 3.5 on average) with a 1.5" radius. Now consider how big tanks are.

>>96249956
I want to see you hit a mouse with a .50 CAL strapped to a wheelchair.

That's basically what trying to hit a guardsmen with a volcano cannon is.

>>96249795
I agree that Dark Angels' detachments can offer an impressive versatility and each "Wing" opens up easy access to many good units. But saying that this gives you easy access to premium stuff is a bit of an oversimplification from what I experience right now.
Since each detachment require an HQ choice to unlock, that means I have to spend points (and HQ slots) just to access them. In my 3000 point list, those investments add up fast. HQs aren't exactly free. This means I'm using points that I'd rather put into those nice units with line or those nice slots you mentioned
So yes, on paper, I can access all of these tools. In practice, it's not easy to capitalize on that flexibility.
I think tha the Dark Angels' flexibility is a cool asset, sure, but I'm not sure it will make up for not having a usefull Legion trait.

Officially time to bully all Thousand Sons and Alpha Legion players out of this hobby.

You have to feel bad for playing as them in 3rd

>>96249998
Everyone has to do that though. The difference is that rather than spending a HQ slot and the associated points to unlock a recon squad youre unlocking seekers. Rather than unlocking a heavy assault detachment youre unlocking retinue or elites normally locked to the apex detachments.

These more elite units are more expensive, but theyre also more cost efficient. Vanguard veterans will eat their worth of assault marines for breakfast, WS5 terminators absolutely body WS4 terminators, even once you account for the cost difference.

>>96250010
Face my 10 rending 5+ plasma blaster tartaros terminators and despair

>>96250045
Why not use the reaper autocannon instead? Its D2

>>96250049
There's only 1 pose with the reaper autocannon bit

>>96247374
book goes from $70 to $120 and people would flip the shit out.

>I’ve started building an Iron Hands army
>my buddy started building Imperial Fists a couple weeks ago
>our friend just said he’s buying Shitternine to make the box into Iron Warriors
Is this too much autism in one group?

>>96250010
>Yet another edition of AL supremacy
Common Alpha Legion W.

>>96250072
they would've saved like 30 pages if they didn't change the entire consul system

>it's out
What is still missing? Someone mentioned sisters of silence.

>>96250073
No you need one alpha legion player.

>>96250084
There is no Nullificators :(

>>96250091
Buy le army journal, goyim.

>>96248212
They don't even have a Sargent LD. They only have a LD of 7. They are no where near a Chaplain.

They are a Better Librarian with a Will of 10 and the can join corrupted units.
That is it. They are not great but they are flavor and that is what we wanted!

Is there an origin for the horned skull of the librarius? I mean, since Magnus was the patron of the librarian program, plausibly it would have some relation to Prospero, but I don't know that for a fact. The program was also founded with Baalite lore at its core, but I don't know that the symbol can be attributed to any Baalite tradition either.

Obviously the image of a horned skull has pagan and occult connotations IRL, but I'm interested in the fiction here. I'd like to know if there are answers to trivial things such as from where the characters are pulling things, what traditions they're drawing from.

>>96250084
See >>96249675 for some missing generic options
Legions lost the old super-heavies and Malcadors
You'll still need houseruling for many models

>>96250088
I feel like you’re only saying that because you’re personally buttblasted about AL at the moment.

>>96248394
>>still no reason to take chaplains
Kor Pharoen is the only Chaplain is the game.
He cheap as chips too.

>>96250153
Are you talking about autistic players or autistic legions?

>>96250147
You can still take those super heavies. The super heavy slot doesn't have to be the same faction a your main detachment.

>>96249869
So 3.0 haters bullied James into scrambling to put together a 200 page pdf
And you somehow de this as a loss
Did you hit your head?

Sure, but the Apex detachment is already unlocking three Elite choices. That doesn't make the flexibility argument doesn’t disappear, but it’s not as exclusive to the Dark Angels as you present it.
As for Vanguard Veterans, doesn't the new Master of Descent allow two of them as Prime units in a single detachment ? So even outside of the Dark Angels toolkit, you can get access to elite, cost-efficient assault units without having to dip into multiple specialized detachments or stack the HQ tax. Hell you can even take the retenue apex so that you can field 4 retenue (with one having to be praetorians with jump pack) and 2 assault vets squads.
Look : I'm not saying the Dark Angels don't have access to nice tools, but they’re not uniquely efficient when you look at what’s available through Apex or with Rites availabble in other Legions and I keep thinking that this will not make up for a "real" usefull trait, especially when utilising the multiple DA detachement effectively is something I happen to find actually difficult.

>>96250010
>TS are dogshit
"Haha suffer, Magnus was a retard"
>TS are a bit stronger than average
"We must ban thousand sons"

Found the space Wolves player

>>96250161
Yeah but they aren't BS4 with access to Legion Upgrades any more, now they're just Aux tonks

Is there a pdf of the mechanicum book instead of a shitty imgur?

>>96250026
Forgot the (you)
>>96250168

Tiny time!
Despite not having a lot of time today, i did mange to finish 5 more infantry bases, and almost 4 sabres

>>96249869
Fuck you, Pardo

>>96250146
It's retro ported from 40k

>>96250157
Yeah

>>96250180
No. We are still waiting for a new Scanon to deliver us from these dark ages.

>>96247664
>M16 WS5 T4 3W 2+/5++
>Everyone can get a thunder hammer
Yeah White Scars are officially off the fucking charts. One of these + some bike consuls + golden keshig are going to be a major headache to deal with.

>everyone and their mom wants to play EC

WHAT THE FUCK NO THAT'S MY SPECIAL LEGION THAT NO ONE ELSE PLAYS STOP

>macrocarid not available to secutarii
Blast

>>96250226
I am so glad all the WAACfags are abandoning DA. Now I can play my favourite legion in peace once more, without being associated with those assholes.

>>96250226
>not outperforming them as a show of how you are the Truer Son of Phoenician
Imperfect
Flawed
Cringe

>>96250168
Give up fellow DA anon. There are people here who think that because "DA can spam prime slots/Interdiction cadre" they're a strong legion

>>96249994
>>96249972
>>96249970
Sure, but did the sonic really need it though?

>Asphyx Bolters have Pistol
>Pistol lets you dual wield
>Fire 3 shots on the move with Rending (6+)
>Can still charge
Lol. Lmao even.

>>96250244
THEY AREN'T EVEN GOOD EC AREN'T EVEN GOOD THIS EDITION WHAT'S GOING ON

>>96250274
TS chads KEEP WINNING

>>96250244
WAACFAG thinking that DA were the apex while SW and IH existed is funny.

>>96250223
>Bit more expensive than an equivalent tartaros/cataphractii command squad member, but get +1W/M16/a whole ass heavy bolter out of it
>Always takes two thunder hammer hits to kill a member
>If you're White Scars, can get a free 16" move in your opponent's turn if they have the audacity to end a move within 12" of you
Bike stonks are going to the moon.

>>96245264 (OP)
So what legion is WAACfag certified now?

>>96250274
Wait wait
So does that mean you can take two asphyx? Or that you can fire them in volley? Or that you can shoot both the bolter and pistol?
Also can they benefit from fury?

>>96245264 (OP)
So missile launcher chuds how are we looking. Rad missiles certainly seen chud coded and good enough for me

>>96250317
Half legions are waacfags and the other half are laacfag
No in-between

>IH legion trait is good, but not busted
>people still don’t want to play IH
Good. Hope my boys are never popular, honestly.

>Delegatus is a command slot even though it works as a high command slot
>Allied detachment lets you take one
>All the elites you could need from any legion you want for 100 points
Neat.

>>96250350
>chuds
>chud coded
Go back and kys when you get there.

>>96250344
This is clearly a copy paste typo, expect it to change
If it stays, it means you can shoot the bolter and pistol at the same time. Pistol doesn't make a weapon Assault, bolters don't have assault.
Asphyx bolters or other legion variants probably can't use FotL

>>96250350
The only way to be child certified is to chase away your local tranny from your group

>>96250187
very adorable

>>96247128
>Ultramarines
>barely anything added
I mean I can't really complain, they have one of the best legion traits after all.

>>96250382
Pistols can explicitly volley fire

>>96250274
this was edited

>>96250429
pistols need the assault trait to volley fire

>>96250391
With rad missiles, yes

>>96250429
"only weapons with the assault trait may be used" (volley fire)

pistol rule "may make attacks with two weapons rather than one if both have the pistol rule"

So no, he can't volley fire but he can shoot both the bolter and pistol one-handed.

>>96250369
Getting assmad about a joke as dumb as this tells me you’re gonna beat me to that lmao

>>96250382
I don't see anything that prevents it since all the variant bolters count as bolters now

>>96250419
And you didn't really lose much characters/ units like the rest of us.

>Terminators come with power weapon + combi-bolter, and pay +10 pts to either get a power fist, or swap it all for two claws
>Tyrants have a power fist...and can pay +10 pts for double claws
>They are equivalent and thus should be free
WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING? First Perty's hammer is slower yet not stronger, now Tyrants are even worse