Thread 96245738

Your setting's equivalent of Hell has suddenly vanished, alongside everything inside of it. What are the immediate and long term consequences of this?

>>96245738 (OP)
My setting is a sci-fi space opera. There is no equivalent to Hell.

Same as real life

>>96245789
What is this space war but its own kind of Hell, captain?

>>96245738 (OP)
How about yours OP? Why don't you tell us about your setting first?

>>96245845
Sure. While it's not really clear in-universe if the City of the Dead is a real afterlife or not, the basic idea is that how good or bad it really is depends entirely on the moral character of the citizens of the living world in this kingdom. If they don't life proper lives and contribute to society, no matter how good or bad they personally might be, their afterlife will suck and only improve if the living get back on track.

If the City of the Dead were to go missing, than souls would end up lost in the void and be eaten by monsters/wiped from existence. This may cause living society to panic and turn against their oppressive rulers as there's no promise for security anymore, but hopefully they could eventually embrace a "nothing matters so make they most of what we have before it's too late" mindset.

>>96245917
Alright, now that we've seen ChatGPT's output, can you finally tell us about your own setting in your own words?

>>96245738 (OP)
Alright.

The Blood War is over and there is no need to focus on the constant wave of never ending enemies trying to swarm over the rest of the planes.

Now the various Gods and God-like beings notice that the material plane is pretty shitty, they just didn't notice before because something much worse was taking their attention off the material plane.

So the material plane is the new war zone where every deity is trying to instill their world view on it. The only correct world view.

>>96245967
Welp, party needs to find where all the devils and demons went and start up the Blood War again.

>>96245917
So, finding out Eternal Torment would cause the living to riot instead of embrace hedonistic lifestyles?

>>96245738 (OP)
New hell forms.

>>96245738 (OP)
Short Answer: The world substantially improves in pretty much every way.
Long Answer: My fantasy world is built on a quite literal spacial paradigm. Directly UP is a realm of pure energy and spirit, directly DOWN is a realm of material and entropy. DOWN is just an endless abyss of soulless monsters, zombies, and demons who hunger for souls.
There's no real merit to that place existing from a normal human perspective, so it disappearing would just mean undeath and demons cease as concepts, and everything just immediately improves.

>>96245994
Well if the city is supposed to be their eternal resting place that's safe from true death, just like how the cities they currently live in are supposed to protect them from the dangers on the outside. If they know there's no afterlife beyond a second death for them, they'd have no real reason to put up with whatever their rulers tell them, as it's not building to a better eternity. But I yeah, after the rioting they'd probably become hedonists too.

>>96245738 (OP)
I'm running a Ghostbusters campaign so... yeah, that's bad.

>>96245738 (OP)
Traditional game?

>>96245811
the sudden dissapearance of Brazil is studied for several decades in hopes of preventing it from returning to Earth.
>>96246166
No.

>>96246166
What's a more traditional than make-believe?

>>96246201
Yeah, but threads like this one mostly feel like a dozen people just throwing shit at the OP so he can use it for plot hooks or a youtube video. It also not all that usable for people.

Well... a few things.
In my setting when someone dies their soul returns to the ocean of souls, an ocean of ectoplasm where a soul will relive its life as it floats in the water, and over the course of that time if the soul was a person who commited heinous acts in life and continues to do those heinous acts in the loop instead of taking a different path they will be dragged down and put to the fire... but theres no hell anymore... so that would probably lead to a Rot of the ectoplasm because when the soul relives its life it breaks down from hardened ectoplasm essence condensed as a person into a shade or an engram of that person with the essence flowing back into the sea. if a source of malphesence within the ectoplasm can't be removed to maintain equalibrium, the soul juice that goes into making new people would eventually get darker and darker going from a more Forgotten Realms setting then slowly getting darker and darker until what you're left with is a world that can only be logically run using Fatal or Beast the Primordial with fantasy stuff.

>>96246247
Freaky. I like it. Anyway we can get people to fish those rotting souls out of the soul ocean?

>>96246259
Depends if you want to die or if you want to Arcane Gate into a plane with No Land.
If you take a boat with you when you arcane gate to the ocean of souls you can start working on the issue, but at a point you'd need help from the celestial host or some other faction from the extraplanars to house the souls of the heinous, like shitting up the Shadenveil [Read: Shadowfell] and basically making the Unseelie be the new Hell.

>>96245738 (OP)
My campaign is a homebrew world. It's got a magical mirror realm of gloomy darkness that the players haven't figured out is one of the domains of dread, yet. Mostly it's like their world, but filled with hungry undead who sometimes wander over. I guess the long term consequences would be that the entire campaign I've been building to wouldn't exist, any more.

>>96245738 (OP)
Playing in an Only War campaign at the moment, but I can only imagine the sheer carnage that would result.

>Warp just vanishes.
>No more psychic powers, warp travel, demons, the force of chaos decimated instantly

I'd give the Imperium a couple of years before they're just steamrolled by the 'nids. Without Warp travel, a big chunk of folk are just going to starve to death. Communication basically disappears over night.

Yeah, pretty sure that's a guaranteed win for the massive faction that doesn't rely on the warp for interstellar travel, when the primary way of defending against them was a lot of forewarning and scorched earth tactics.

>>96246306
On that note... If you want a more player focused solution, you can work on fucking around with [SATURATION DIVING INTO THE SOUL SOUP] with the end goal of basically turning the party wizard into a LICH and then plumbing all the heinous souls who don't learn into the core of the philactory which then will use the souls as fuel but will require [WORK] what kind of work? [LEARNING HOW TO USE THE SOURCE CODE OF THE SETTING TO CHANGE FUNDIMENTAL VALUES BECAUSE THE CODE IS CURRENTLY BROKEN.] which means. [PUT ON THE SOCKS]

>>96246318
New campaign; help me find my old campaign.

>>96246330
I was wondering when we'd get a 40k post. Though I feel like the Necrons would be having a field day here too.

>>96246347
>New campaign; help me find my old campaign.
Is it behind the couch?

>>96245738 (OP)
Necromancers screaming, crying, and shitting themselves. Everyone else probably wouldn't notice, other than maybe the church. Most adventurers out of a job. Massive power struggle now that necromancy doesn't work.

Church likely wins the struggle for power, ousting much of the old nobility, now that they lack their necromantic powers. People generally assume that souls are taken into a better afterlife, for their sanity if nothing else. 50/50 on whether demi-humans get accepted into the church now; the destruction of necromancy could whip up enough religious fervor to go genocide them, or it could be seen as a great cleansing of their sins.

World becomes a lot more milquetoast.

>>96246385
This sounds like a pretty interesting setting. Tell me more about the necromancer nobility vs the church.

>>96245738 (OP)
Hell vanishes and suddenly all the evil fucks that would go there in death instead stay on the living plane. This is not a good thing cause now you immortal evil souls that are incredibly difficult to stop because you'd have to get them into heaven or trap them somehow. Trapping them is hard because there is no hell magic to draw from to bind their souls to the required gems.

>>96246405
Necromancy got tied to nobility when it was figured out that blood relations to the soul of a dead individual makes it relatively easy to contact and temporarily bring them to the realm of the living. Theoretically, big genealogies allow necromancers to essentially have a phone book of every single skill their ancestors ever had. Practically, personal ability, talent as a necromancer, alongside the toll of necromancy on the user keeps any given necromancer from getting too crazy. But big families can and do end up conquering lands for themselves.
The church is practically an expression of the lower classes dissatisfaction with the nobility, a general weariness regarding the molestation of the afterlife, creation of demihumans, and more standard political abuses. A central tenant is the sanctity of the afterlife, which puts them in direct opposition to every single extant necromancer. Their central figure is the Shepherd, who could be described as a combination of the classical Grim Reaper and Jesus.

>>96245738 (OP)
PCs are currently in it, so first of all I guess from their perspective it's the rest of the setting that's vanished, and secondly figuring out why did this happen and how it can be reversed would become the focus of the campaign.

>>96245738 (OP)
>What are the immediate and long term consequences of this?

The campaign ends with the big spoiler of where it takes place revealed.

>>96246524
Pretty fun scenario desu
>Trapped in Hell
>Try to escape Hell
>Learn that literally everything besides Hell is missing.
>Hell itself doesn't know why that is.
>Panic from the party for obvious reasons and the demons as they're now cut off from any future souls coming in.

There is no hell. Souls get repurposed into new people until they burn out and go away (roll low in the after death table)

>>96246588
Sure, it absolutely could work as a campaign, well enough that I'll file under "cool ideas I probably won't get around to using but might actually use".

>>96245738 (OP)
You said vanished, not destroyed.
In my setting, Hell is literally the godly realm of the manifestation of ultimate lawful evil. He can make Hell itself vanish from one locale and reappear in another just like The Black Fortress from Krull. If Hell has vanished, it means he's either moved it or rendered it invisible and undetectable for some reason.

Whatever the reason, it will be bad for all other sentients in the multiverse.

>>96245949
Exactly, so post your own post, not a bot one.

>>96246201
>What's a more traditional than make-believe?
Mindless spamming in hopes of getting any kind of engagement out of it?

>>96245738 (OP)
Without the dark realm monsters become less violent, demons no longer manifest, and dragons grow physically weaker. Sentient races have no more reason to keep their alliances, waging war against each other now. The light realm, without the dark realm to distract them, deems the constant war "evil" and decides to purge. Some nations align with the light realm, recognizing them as rightful guides and giving up free will in exchange for becoming ever-blissfull war machines. Most nations reforge an alliance and fight back. It's a stalemate for very long, without dark the light realm can't really access their higher destructive powers that work specifically against darkness; the alliance has more destructive power but rebuilding is an afterthought for the powers of the light realm.
This can last for millenia until someone manages to convince the remaining dragons to join the fray. Most of them would join the alliance, which could spell doom for the light realm, but after so much war, and millenia of people just being general assholes due to not fearing going to the dark realm anymore, dragons would probably easilly enslave everyone afterwards and destroy the rest of the world.
It would become Dark Sun but with dragon sorcerer kings.

>>96245738 (OP)
It just wouldn't happen at all, since I'm the GM and I decide things like that.

>>96246838
Is there any point to replying to a thread just to make sure that everyone knows that you're not interested in the thread's topic and don't intend to engage with it, anon?

>>96246861
To amuse

>>96246015
Wouldn't that just put the whole system in disarray? I'd think if in our world, we lost one of the magnetic poles, a ton of shit would stop working correctly and catastrophes abound.

>>96245738 (OP)
Hell is just the lowest place where water can collect. Human souls gravitate there unless saved, removing this would necessarily just make the next lowest place into Hell. Wherever human souls can collect without divine guidance will eventually become Hell, because the most resilient and common human qualities are their negative ones, which then congeal into a blob of unchaote negativity, from whence springs demons.

Eliminating it would probably get rid of most of the old growth, so all the really old demons would be gone. I guess a good thing but most people wouldn't notice.

>>96245738 (OP)
>"the planet...it just vanished..."
>"b-but what about our army?"
>"probably still with the planet..."

>>96247947
So, my fantasy world is in a birch world at the end of time, trapped inside the event horizon of a supermassive black hole. It may as well be a demon world from 40k. There's no sun, and space itself has already been ripped apart at the seams so long ago that maps and navigation tools are almost useless. The only thing holding the world together is far future technology, and even then, only barely. There are forests that literally go on forever, caverns that literally go on forever, etc, because the "world" is infinite, but old and breaking.
Space is just busted except in the really general. Up is an endless firmament of burning plasma, down is endless darkness, and to every direction is a landscape that looks normal, but the laws of physics break down closer and closer to total lethality the farther you go from the core. It's also easy to get permanently trapped in spacial folds, which people just call labyrinths, mazes, or dungeons. Winding up in the backrooms is a legit problem.
What I'm trying to say is, at some point the world is already so bad that it can't be fucked up anymore.
Other notable anecdotes about the setting:
>Humans went extinct billions of years ago, and were replicated by aliens called the beautiful ones based on knowledge they gained from coming across the voyager space probe, and subsequent simulations of what old earth was like
>Unironically, the fathers of humanity are considered to be Jimmy Carter & Kurt Waldheim because of this
>Humans are capable of magic because the beautiful ones were too eldritch too conceive of life that didn't have psionic powers
>Humans destroyed the beautiful ones in a climactic genocide
>Over the course of billions of years, all species either bodily ascend to a higher plane of existence, or linger in hedonism because they don't want to risk ego death
>The beautiful ones were basically billions of years of cowardly civilization runoff that couldn't or wouldn't ascend, just evil, insane hedonists

>>96245738 (OP)
We're already in Hell, or at least that's what roughly 47% of the main characters believe. Having reached their shared goal of escaping back to the "real" world, the apocalyptic team-up of Dr. Nowhere, the most aggressively mundane man to ever exist and ECHIDNA the First Sea immediately dissolves and they probably end up getting mutually killed.

Atticus the Lament, jailor/story-keeper of the Hell-adjacent demiworld everyone has been stranded on is deader than dead, so that's good.

Every bad idea, suppressed memory, forgotten life, and thing deemed worthless has, however, just spilled out into the real world which is somewhat bad because now there's crystal robots floating in space hunting for druid armies that don't exist and people who saw off their genitals to replace them with shotguns spawning in all over the universe which is bad.

>>96245738 (OP)
this estival has been very fun, I just crawled out of the furnace unscathed

>>96245738 (OP)
Pretty much this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwvHt7Cdswk

Depends on which of my settings it is.
Some of them don't have Hell equivalents.
Some of them do, but they're only in-world fiction.
Others have them, but I never thought about actually making them.

>>96245811
The space war actually ended five years previously in-universe. But it wasn't sudden, it was the end result of about a year's worth of negotiations.

>>96245738 (OP)
Thank God. Those dudes were assholes.

>>96245738 (OP)
Things improve in the short term, world ends in the long term. Or ends quicker at least.

>>96246861
Is there any point to making a thread when you're not interested in the replies to it, and everyone except newfags knows it?

>>96245738 (OP)
idk idc ask the nogames general.

>>96245738 (OP)
The plot of the campaign is not immediately over, but things just got a lot easier for the party. 3 archdevils down, 2 to go.

>>96245789
Even the Klingons have a Hell

>>96245738 (OP)
The cause is inevitably putting anti-rapists there. So fowl, they destroyed hell.

>>96245738 (OP)
The top god is dead because it is a part of him. Outside of that, it would lead to genocidal Godlings causing hell on earth as they try to ascend now that no one is stopping them anymore

>>96247947
ummm that sounds complicated and I don't like thinking too hard.

>>96245738 (OP)
If the the 'night world' were to disappear, then everything that stalks it would have to find something new. Normally content to prey on the weeping dead, unspeakable things would start looking for other sources of fear and suffering to prey upon. Earth would be like a road flare in the void. Without quick efforts by the living, eternal midnight will fall and life itself will plunge into eternal darkness. Humanity will be an afterthought in a war of intangible forces that want nothing more than its eternal damnation.

>>96255055
Cute kot!

>>96254989
We are the godlings, feed us!