Thread 96251485

/tg/, I want to be a sorcerer pretending to be a wizard, how do I go about this class-wise? And feel free to post your epic character concepts too.

>>96251485 (OP)
Well, OP, that all depends on which game you're playing, so let's start with that.

>sorcerer pretending to be a wizard, how do I go about this class-wise?
Sorcerer, scholar background

>>96251485 (OP)
What game, so we can know the difference between sorcerer and wizard?

>>96251501
>>96251517
Why do indietards pretend people play games other than DnD 5e? Nobody wants to play legend of the shitwizard or whatever games you fantasize about playing someday (you wont)

>>96251485 (OP)
I know you're being ironic, but that concept is still better than the dumb shit seen on Reddit.

If you're not being ironic, then why is the sorcerer pretending?

>>96251531
Why are you presuming anyone with a brain plays 5e?

>>96251547
Tell me, what games do you play? I mean actually play, not games that you
>backed on kickstarted
>keep on your coffee table
>bring up while whining about dnd 5e to your increasingly bored friends

>>96251536
Because he's a charlatan, he's essentially very intelligent but never went to school because he was from a poor family or without a family at all, and he discovered innate magical powers like every smart but lazy gamma male does eventually, therefore he just skimmed some books and pretends to be a wizard.

>>96251517
>>96251501
MechWarrior 2000? If "wizard" and "sorcerer" doesn't tell you I can't help you there lmfao.

>>96251604
Don't worry about them, they're general-less fags who are too lazy to make interesting threads and don't play games, so they just whine about every non-general thread

>>96251594
Going full Sorcerer would make the most sense. You can hide the fact by not using meta-magic around Wizards.
If you take a level in Wizard, then your guy isn't pretending anymore and that'll undercut your story.
For background, Sage or Charlatan would work.

I don't know what benefit of pretending to be wizard your character is after. There isn't much a Wizard can do that a Sorcerer can't.

>>96251667
He could be feigning a connection to a prestigious institution associated with wizards, or avoiding the poor reputation untrained sorcerers might bring tot he commonfolk. If you have a GM with any balls to include societal issues then this would fit, but in most dnd 5e games society is incredibly toothless

>>96251567
Played Pathfinder, Iron Kingdoms, Shadowrun, ran a couple homebrews, a few weeb games, and right now considering Pendragon or Sword World to run for my friends. Not going to pretend that I'm some grognard, but I've stuck to my personal policy of not playing D&D 5e for a good while.

Your turn?

>>96251604
Honestly, if you're going to be such a sarcastic bitch about it, then why did you even ask in the first place?

>>96251753
>pathfinder
So DnD
>iron kingdoms
DnD again
>Shadowrun
DnD again
>weeb games, Pendragon, Sword world
No you didn't

>>96251813
How the fuck is Shadowrun "D&D again"?!

>>96251813
Did. Not my fault you're too terminally brain rotted to realize games exist outside of WoTC.

>>96251868
>ChatGPT, please give me a list of anime inspired ttrpg's

>>96251920
Considering this is coming from a crowd that thinks fucking Shadowrun is D&D, I'm definitely not taking that pathetic attempt at an insult seriously

>>96251929
I doubt you've ever played shadowrun, but its apparent if you've done more than skimmed the fluff section

>>96251959
Not the same genre of fiction, being cyberpunk with a spice of fantasy to D&D's general fantasy sink shit.
Definitely not mechanically the same, what with the lack of classes, the fatigue system, the dice pools, the edge points, etc.
Definitely doesn't have the same fluff, considering humans, dwarfs, elves, trolls and orcs are part of the "metahumanity" umbrella due to how they all still interbreed with one another and thus not capable of producing hybrids like in D&D due to not being separate species

It's like you're not even trying to justify your strawman

>>96251620
>>96251531
man, you're sure upset that you were asked basic clarifying questions.
I'm not sure why being asked to talk about a specific game instead of in vague generalities makes you rage so.

>>96251866
He's very, VERY upset about being asked what system he's using and is having a melty, so he can't remember what shadowrun is.

>>96252034
>erm, why don't you enjoy my brainless post I spam in every single thread?

>>96252050
Why are you seething and trolling so hard? You've not said anything of substance all thread.

>>96252054
Pot, meet kettle

>>96251667
>I don't know what benefit of pretending to be wizard your character is after. There isn't much a Wizard can do that a Sorcerer can't.
You don't think a learned scholar is more prestigious than a fatherless bumpkin with no education who will get burned at the stake if he shows his magic in public?

>>96251677
>If you have a GM with any balls to include societal issues then this would fit, but in most dnd 5e games society is incredibly toothless
Is this how it really is now? You have to "have balls" to do something that's just common sense?

>>96252124
In what DnD setting are sorcerers getting burned at the stake?

>>96251753
>considering
Yeah I'm considering Rune Storm, Exiles of Eternia, Wizards & Wallabies, The Triglavian Tryptich, Mucho Carmacho, No Shelter, and Hassidic Heroes.

>>96251917
Yes!

>>96252138
Any normal setting that's medieval society with magic and not le ebin half-demon half-dragon half-angel planeshifter bisexual panamorous otherkyn time traveling secret queen of the faeryes shit?

>>96252138
Maybe Dark Sun, given the Defiling issue?

>>96252092
No, not really. You've gotten so upset/trolling that you forgot what shadowrun was.

>>96252193
Why are you seething and trolling so hard? Why are you so resistant to like, having a conversation? I understand some people come on here just to yell, but what made you want to yell?
Is it because you can't get any games? That would explain why everything you say about games is wrong.

>>96252279
tourist that has only understood 4chan as "that shithole where everyone says slurs at each other" and being a massive, annoying faggot.

The best D&D class is Druid. Moon Circle Druid alone outclasses the entirety of the Sorcerer class. Probably Wizard too.

>>96252339
That has nothing to do with the thread or any active conversation in the thread, mr. chatbot.

>>96252124
More prestigious, sure, but any opportunity a Wizard has, a Sorcerer also has. A Sorcerer can go to magic school to learn to effectively use their powers.
Money may be an issue, but that is separate from the Wizard/Sorcerer thing.

Ofc, its all setting specific and OP has not given anything about the setting.
Its more for OP and the GM to decide.

>>96251531
There are two different games called 5e so even your shithead clarification doesn't work.

>>96252279
What lol?

>>96252361
>A Sorcerer can go to magic school to learn to effectively use their powers.
Is everyone who plays D&D so rich now that they can't even understand coming from a non-privileged background?

>>96252408
The other anon seemed to understand it pretty well, do you have some kind of disability?

>>96252418
Sorceror is one of the most privileged backgrounds possible.
Thank you for at least coming up with something vaguely interesting to argue about.

>>96252436
Yes, and?

>>96252159
Never heard of those particular games, but would be curious to hear more of them on the chance you're being truthful about it

>>96252441
>Sorceror is one of the most privileged backgrounds possible.
No, it's a "secret king" fantasy of gamma males who grew up poor and in shit families and could never amount to anything because of that. It's discovering that you have innate power that your real life status is completely irrelevant to unlike most other classes.

>>96252446
I can't fix that for you, I'm sorry.

>>96252464
It's discovering that your background actually included an incredibly large inheritance that you can tap into whenever the fuck you please.
Privileged as shit, just like harry potter.

>>96252475
How does a Sorcerer get inheritance, what are you on about.

>>96252551
the dragon sperm, usually.
Or fae sperm.
Whichever type, really.

>>96252551
NTA, but even back in year 2000 3.0 when the class was first introduced it was explicit that their spellcasting is from a trace bloodline, with 5e's subclasses explicitly being what that ancestry is.

>>96252575
>>96252573
That's lineage, do you not know what inheritance means?

>>96252596
Have you never heard the term "genetic inheritance"?

>>96251531
D&D was never a game, it was always a poorly executed means to get characters from flavor-of-the-era to come together, cross-fic style, and hop dimensions while saving princesses and slaying dragons.
And when I say "poorly executed", I mean insofar that the abilities, skills, and class systems don't facilitate the more freeform character roleplay that was encouraged.
At best, D&D has always been a collaborative writing tool, with no game to speak of in its pages.

>>96252617
A strange attempt, we'll see how it works out.

>>96252551
It's called a simile. Hang on, let me guess, you spent your formative years in public school.

which is the superior young adult novel concept,
A young adult in a society of sorcerers learns how to be a wizard and that they too can do magic without being born with it
A young adult in a society of wizards learns they are a sorcerer and they need to do magic their own way
?

>>96252418
>Money may be an issue, but that is separate from the Wizard/Sorcerer thing.
I did account for that. A Wizard can be broke too. Pretending to be a Wizard isn't going to spawn cash afaik.

I also mentioned that its setting specific so at the end of the day, the reason for pretending in the first place will need to be discussed between OP and the DM.

>>96252686
Knowing what little I do of YA, probably the latter because it Just Happens and has an individualist bent.

>>96252599
lol

>>96252638
Yes, I'm poor and never received a proper education.

>>96252159
>Mucho Carmacho
what the fuck is that? I'm googling it and finding nothing, I want that to exist.

>>96252686
Growing up without magic and defeating the stuck-up privileged magic users with your wit and muscle

And your plot armor since it's a young adult novel

>>96251567
I'm currently running free league and playing WHFRP, I want to go back to Mothership but a couple players I had started running it and I don't want to influence them so I might go for Black Sword Hack or Conan 2d20.

>>96252748
It's essentially a South American Mad Max where you pimp your ride and play football with skulls and such.

>>96251485 (OP)
>>96251594
Alright, let me ask you this: WHY is he pretending to be a wizard? I mean, honestly, why the fuck would anyone in your fantasy universe even give a fuck about the difference?
I feel like you're taking it for granted that a mere gameplay contrivance is actually seriously important as a career. Sorcerer, Wizard, who the hell would really care as long as the guy was competent?
If you want a fun secret identity, okay, but come up with something... I don't know, interesting?

>>96253543
>Sorcerer, Wizard, who the hell would really care as long as the guy was competent?
Everyone? You must be playing the "free for all" nu-version of D&D where it's perfectly normal to have a beak and a tail and be accepted into whatever backwater tavern anyway.

>>96252452
>>96252748
anons...

>>96251531
5e is babyfood, pure, gummy slop that you consume when you only have an infantile understanding of tabletop. You are expected to be on a slightly higher level when you come into a community like this.

>>96253568
>Um, in my universe, a character class is a literal job you need to sign up for at the adventurers guild and put on your business card!
>The Wild Magic Sorcerer introduces himself as a Wild Magic Sorcerer, and the Death Cleric walks into a room and says "Hi, I'm a Death Cleric!"
This is the ONLY scenario where pretending to be another class even makes sense. And already, you can see how fucking stupid it is. You're the one roleplaying in some retarded LitRPG isekai universe if this character concept is even possible, and that's before we even get into whether or not it's a good idea, which it isn't.

>>96253543
idk, anon, why would someone want to be thought of as a studious master of the arcane instead of a bastard-blooded magical firecracker waiting to pop off

>>96253622
There's a lot of distance between that and "class is a flavorless box of mechanics". So long as the classes reflect SOMETHING in-setting the "Sorcerer" mechanical box being used to imitate the "Wizard" mechanical box has SOME meaning and thus value.

>>96253775
>>96253778
Do you have proficiency in arcana?
Can you cast spells?
That's literally fucking all you need. What, you think some king is going to run a blood test to make sure you're casting your magic from a book instead of your fingertips before he lets you interview for the position of court wizard?
It's just inherently fucking stupid.
Imagine a dex fighter instead. He has proficiency in stealth and thieves tools.
Why the fuck would he need to pretend to be a rogue? What, is the local thieves guild going to audit his character sheet?
The whole concept is just stupid.
This should be self-evident, I don't even get why this needs to be explained to anyone.

>>96253622
A wizard is schooled in magic while a sorcerer just has it inherently. A wizard is an educated man who has a wider breadth of knowledge and probably a higher social status (more knowledge skills instead of stuff like survival and higher starting wealth). The guy could be walking around telling people that he graduated from a magic school or was tutored by a famous wizard to impress them, while in reality he is some hobo who can't tell the difference between dweomer and a duergar and just shoots random shit from his hands. It could make sense, at low levels, for a couple of sessions maybe.

>>96251485 (OP)
>And feel free to post your epic character concepts too.
Alright so I want to play this character, he's just a male fighter/assassin/rogue/some shit, but his gimmick is that he can control a dagger with his mind, basically he has a flying dagger that acts like a separate weapon and he can always enter any place where weapons aren't allowed because the dagger just sneaks above the guard or something and maybe he actually has more daggers, let's say 2 daggers to fight with and 2 to backstab, he can just make daggers float around him and fight people while he chills, maybe every dagger has a special property or something maybe it's just one dagger that multiplies magically, but they shouldn't be detectable maybe i should play this in a cyberpunk setting instead and it's not daggers it's bullets? I need help with the setting and the actual build and any comments & critiques, it sounds like an epic idea to me I just need to bring it to reality.

>>96253811
Are you truly under the impression that "has magic because of literal demon blood" is of no significance to people's reactions?

>>96254051
I played like 5 D&D video games and it never did.

>>96254066
>/v/ermin
This is /tg/, the DM is not confined by the nightmarish mess that is coding the assload of conditional logic in question.

>>96251485 (OP)
Ask the general.

>>96253811
This. This entire thread is because retards are projecting D&D class rule bloat onto the milleu. Tragic.
There is no in-universe difference between sorcerers and wizards. They are all magic users.
>>96254051
How would people know you have demon blood, retard? You're not playing a tiefling. And if you were, it wouldn't matter if you were a sorcerer or not.

>>96251567
currently? Shadowdark, forbidden lands and shadow of the demon lord. Honestly I have grown a bit tired of the latter, I think the magic system is a bit too bonkers during play which makes characters too strong.

>>96251485 (OP)
PF1e Arcanist

>>96255261
>There is no in-universe difference between sorcerers and wizards. They are all magic users.
How dumb can you be holy shit.

>>96251531
It's courteous to specify what system and edition you're playing. Despite 5e's popularity there is still a sizeable cohort of people who play 3.5, and believe it or not, there are actually people who play other systems.

If you'd like to post in a thread where everyone will assume you're talking about D&D 5e, you should have a word with this chap.

>>96252124
A fireball is a fireball and I'd burn those big city wizards sooner than a fellow bumpkin who's Ma was rescued from a dragon a few years back after getting showered in the durned things blood.

>>96251485 (OP)
Wojaks and frogs should warrant an immediate permanent ban.

>>96255553
>insulting Gygax (pbuh)
get the fuck out

>>96252686
Salaryman isekai'd into sorcerer world must learn magic like a wizard to get a basic job.

>>96251567
>Tell me, what games do you play? I mean actually play, not games that you
I switched to WWN/SWN and have not looked back once

>>96258056
Seconding these. The X Without Number systems are great.

>>96251517
Why do you faggots always do this? Genuinely, you know what the fucking system is when people are using these terms. It's fucking Dungeons and Dragons. You know what dungeons and dragons is. Yeah, there might be some people into ttrpgs who have sidestepped D&D entirely and is oblivious to its existence. That motherfucker isn't you because you do not reach a place like /tg/ without learning what dungeons and dragons is.

>>96253983
Are you high?

>>96258354
Cause as you so graciously pointed out, other games besides Dungeons and Dragons exist, and even then wizards and sorcerers carry different reputations between settings in Dungeons and Dragons, so easier to be more thorough than leave it vague, you whiny little redditor.

>>96254051
A fireball is a fireball and the party doesn't give a shit if your mom having average white woman taste in men as that fireball's origins. Just blow up the tlancillin and his wemic minions, goddamn.

I've once had the opposite character in my campaign - a wizard pretending to be a sorcerer. Sorcerers in my setting are the higher class of a spellcaster, who form the backbone of magical organizations and form the noble houses. Wizards are considered the lesser kind.
The character in question was born to a sorcerer family, but was born without the magical spark. She was taught wizardry to hide the fact she was born without magic and given a magic ring that simulates draconic scales on her body, because her birth is the evidence of her house's degeneration and loss of the connection with their progenitor.

She was one of the table's favorite NPCs, and had a lot of drama with the party's own wizard.

>>96255261
>This entire thread is because retards are projecting D&D class rule bloat onto the milleu.
What about OP is projecting it out? Between the text and the image it's pretty clearly a D&D 5e case, yet there doesn't seem to be a confinement to it in the "post your own" sentence.

>There is no in-universe difference between sorcerers and wizards.
Of course there is in the system OP indicates, the mechanics say that wizards have spellbooks they can fill as they please from their access to on-list writings while sorcerers have a fixed but internal set of spells.

>They are all magic users.
Ah, turbo- or faux- grog refusing to accept WotC additions.

>How would people know you have demon blood, retard?
Because there are characteristic quirks of the Sorcerer spellcasting based on having that bloodline.

>>96255618
I repeat, the image makes it clear. What other system has "metamagic" as a distinguishing feature of a "sorcerer" class?

>5eslop
LMAO

>>96258535
>the image
>wojack shit
I think it's more a kindness that it was blatantly ignored, frankly

>>96251485 (OP)
Fascinating.

In 3e (and PF1e), Wizards and Sorcerers had slots that worked in a completely different way, both made use of metamagic, and each had advantages and disadvantages on it (PF1e fixed a minor but annoying thing with Quickened).

Then 4e decided that that's too much for the design team to handle and balance so they designed a game with an incredibly limited scope, and people got mad.

So wizard made 5e, cosmetically closer to 3e, but in which only the Sorcerer is the "metamagic guy" and such a limited design HAS BEEN SOLD TO YOU RETARDS AS A FEATURE.

Hilarious.

>>96259457
>In 3e (and PF1e), Wizards and Sorcerers had slots that worked in a completely different way
Not really. In 3.x, Sorcerers were just shittier wizards who had spontaneous spellcasting. That's not totally differently. That's the same shit.

>>96260022
Spontaneous, Prepared etc can all do metamagic in 3e tho, and will adapt to it differently.
5e limited the options and you retards clap.

>>96252690
>>96253568
If a Sorcerer is really broke, then they won't really have money for a fancy spellbook and nice robes and all of the other trappings that might be involved in selling the illusion.

If anything, it'd be a lot cheaper to pretend to be a priest of whatever god is most closely related to your Sorcerer powers. Nobody questions why some traveling priest might be poor.
But really, why pretend to be anything? Sorcerers are typically charismatic, and nothing mandates that they make full use of their talents at all times.
A Sorcerer who is worried about being judged for being a Sorcerer shouldn't be putting themselves in a line of work where they'll be regularly using magic. Instead of pretending to be a Wizard and risking a real Wizard calling you out, just work at a tavern or with a trade caravan and then you don't need to live a lie.

>>96251531
>legend of the shitwizard
AKA The Tale of Hinsty David.

>>96251667
>You can hide the fact by not using meta-magic around Wizards.
Or around sorcerers, for that matter.

>>96252638
Joke's on you, I went to public school and I know that it was actually a metaphor.

>>96252573
Or dragon/fae egg. The mother could've been the magical one.

>>96253568
Even in your shit setting, it wouldn't make a difference, because in practice, wizard magic and sorcerer magic is basically the same. Their spells come from the same list. It would probably be even easier for a sorcerer to masquerade as a wizard in a setting like that, because most people would be too ignorant to even know there was a difference, let alone be able to recognize it.

>>96252124
Why would they burn a sorcerer but not a wizard?

>>96254051
Technically, DnD doesn't have demonic bloodline sorcerers. It does have divine bloodline sorcerers, ironically enough.

>>96258230
What's so great about them?

>>96261050
>is basically the same
*are basically the same

>>96258420
No dude I just want to play the daggerer, imagine if you for example walked down a dark alley at night and you got mugged and you held your hands up BUT at the same time there was a flying dagger behind the mugger and you'd just control it to stab him for example tell me it's not a fucking epic concept, I'm trying to decide if one dagger is good or if it should be multiple, because the kicker is you're not a magical Andy you're just a bloke, maybe it's psychokinesis or whatever, you're not this guy in robes that can't pass the D&D TSA equivalent you just go and it's fine and the dagger will come at some later time maybe you have a slot in your armor or body where you can hide it or something like that when it flies back to you so that you always appear unarmed.

>>96251485 (OP)
Have you considered yah know, you're a sorcerer pretending to be a wizard?
>you're a sorcerer pretending to be a wizard
>you're a sorcerer

Fun class idea I had for SW5e (I am in a game with some diehard star wars fans) was a roboticist, but that got declined, so I'm doing a multiclass scholar/engineer type thing that gets to rapid fire with their blaster using critical analysis, allowing them to use Int for their accuracy roll on targeted enemies off a level 3 spell for 2 shots per turn, plus I get another one off the detective subclass, plus I get other shenanigans that I can do things with. I've turned the character into an ex CIS droid tech who is now a conspiracy theorist. GM already said they're running with some of the stuff I said as being true. There's a long list of stuff I said that made the diehards cringe, and I'm doing it intentionally to make them cringe. Surprisingly, I am generally the most on topic and to the point character in the game, unless nothing is happening.

>>96261254
They're easily accessible to anyone familiar with D&D, but with enough changes to how certain mechanics work to circumvent a lot of the problems D&D has. SWN is free (not sure about WWN) so I'd recommend giving it a look at least.

>>96262206
You are definitely high.

>>96263158
You are not very helpful. Imagine you're in a tavern chilling and playing cards and someone enters the door and starts shooting crossbows at you but your dagger was already outside the door because you put it on guard mode and he just backstabs the guy? Maybe there is a pocket dimension that it goes to.

>>96262206
it's a bad concept, but you're describing the arcane thief subclass in 5e.

>>96263161
Tell us some things about the character besides the dagger.

>>96263346
>>96263340
Ok so this is basically off the top of my head his name is Eight Knives Dingo and he's named that because he has eight knives, he has two knives on his belt, two knives on his back, and two knives in his boots. HOWEVER the point is that all eight knives are actually decoys, obviously he can fight with them but the real reason for so many knives is that he can always take off his knives whenever there is some security and then they know he has exactly eight knives, imagine the scene he goes through palace security and they do the "and your other knife" bit eight times until he's actually disarmed, but little do they know that the knives that they were looking for will always be there regardless then his party goes to have dinner with the king and suddenly there's a knife at the king's throat out of nowhere when he's eating a turkey leg or some shit on the other side of the table they don't even know it's him tell me this is not the most epic concept?

>>96251531
Good bait.

>>96264146
Right, but besides the knives, what does he do? And where does he stash the final two?

>>96251753
Note how you say
>Played
And
>Considering
Not
>Playing

>>96268999
Cause those were games I partook in or ran in the past, yes, that’s how grammar works anon. But if you’re that curious what I’m doing presently, I’m running a campaign of Legend of the Five Rings on weekends when time allows for it. Bit of an odd detail to be hung up on, but such as it is.

How about you? You >playing anything yourself?

>>96251485 (OP)
>sorcerer pretending to be a wizard

That is an extremely shitty and stupid idea. The differences between the two are tiny and irrelevant, imperceptible to outside observers. You are a stupid person.

>>96272065
>The differences between the two are tiny and irrelevant
wtf lolgarhj